Under Indian law, promoting "disharmony or feelings of enmity, hatred or ill will" between religious groups is punishable by up to three years in jail.

Wow, does that mean the Qur'an can be put in jail?

Posted by: Elric66 at August 15, 2007 9:47 AM

Qurans bobbing in the toilet in the USA and now hurt feelings in India. This horrible injustice against Islam is spreading all over the world need to be addressed and documented.

Anybody up for securing the domain...

http://www.felonies-against-Islam.org

Posted by: SoteriA at August 15, 2007 9:49 AM

Whats the punishment for calling for someone's death?

Posted by: Elric66 at August 15, 2007 9:51 AM

Oh, Boo-Hoo, I'm inconsolable. The Mohammedan feelings got hurt!

Well, my Christian feelings are VERY hurt by 9/11. Who can we put in jail for that?

I care more about the feelings of a Doodle Bug than I do about Mohammedans'.

Posted by: darcy at August 15, 2007 9:56 AM

E66. Like dude. Of course the koran or mohametans can't be put in jail for offending other religions. What a silly idea! This law does not, like, even apply to them.

nabi ZK

a nabi u can trust... believe it or be killed in nasty ways....

Posted by: zonie kafir at August 15, 2007 9:56 AM

SOteriA -Internet Explorer will not display your link.

Posted by: darcy at August 15, 2007 10:00 AM

"hurting Muslim feelings" ?????

Feelings, nothing more than feelings.... as the song goes so goes the Muslims - they are nothing more than a bunch of over emoting losers who have no compunction about killing and abusing innocent humans and animals, all in the name of their feelings.

They make me sick and everytime I walk by the snack stand on my way to work here in DC and see the Muslim couple setting up, and she all covered up from head to toe, I just want to throw up (on them).

Posted by: HOV Dummy at August 15, 2007 10:02 AM

Good this is what hate crime legislation is all about, punishing the haters

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at August 15, 2007 10:09 AM

Just another "hate speech" law from "the world's largest democracy". It would be nice if the same law were applied to Muslim purveyors of hate, but that is wishful thinking.

See you in the mosque.

Posted by: PMK at August 15, 2007 10:13 AM

That is the problem you get when you get mohammedans as THE minority group in the country. In a free and democratic system (though corrupt) like India was not meant for koran-thumping muslims!

Posted by: Infidel#1 at August 15, 2007 10:17 AM

GERMANY MOVES TO BAN SCIENTOLOGY!!!!!

Go to http://www.religiousintelligence.co.uk/news/?NewsID=926 Article by George Conger August 15th, 2007

PLEASE go read it here is a small section".....govt is also concerned that the organizations totalitarian structure and methods may pose a risk to Germany's democratic society...a history of taking advantage of vulnerable individuals and an EXTREME dislike of ANY criticism."

I certainly dont remember scientologists bombing, raping, kidnapping, and attempting to explolde German trains do any of you?

This must be the start of something positive.

The title should be changed to BAN ISLAM!!!
Is islam next??
Will Germany be the nation who shows spine and an iron will to fight back against islam as I have predicted several times here over recent months?
This could be the start of a push back led by the Germans.
Read it and give me feedback and I am still waiting for Robert to respond about my islamic doctors manifesto from several weeks ago.

Posted by: Hungarian Crusader at August 15, 2007 10:18 AM

I'm soooo glad I don't live in India!

Posted by: americanmadestrat at August 15, 2007 10:27 AM

darcy:

SOteriA -Internet Explorer will not display your link.

That's because the site does not exist. SoteriA was suggesting someone should create it.

Posted by: watling at August 15, 2007 10:27 AM

"I'm soooo glad I don't live in India!"

Don't be surprised if something similar happens here, if it hasn't already in some form.

Posted by: BlowHammed at August 15, 2007 10:43 AM

"I'm soooo glad I don't live in India!"

This is what hate crime laws lead to. It starts with arresting someone for putting a koran in the toilet, and ends in someone being charged for expressing an opinion.

Nasreem in India today, Robert Spencer in the U.S. tomorrow.

Be afraid, be very afraid (and stock up on ammo)

Posted by: walterc at August 15, 2007 10:51 AM

While Cairs was in my home town he called a fatawa on the fatawa called to do such things! I did not know you could call fatawa on fatawa?

Posted by: MZ at August 15, 2007 10:53 AM

Just came across this via ROP.com

Filipinos Caving into Jihadis Demands for Muslim Homeland...

http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2007/08/filipinos-cavin.html

Posted by: DoubleTap at August 15, 2007 10:55 AM

We can see the likely future of the West in the example of India.

Not content with splitting the country in two with the establishment of Pakistan, the Muslims within India continue to make life hell for the infidel Indians.
The religion of perpetual outrage will not stop until we are all subdued and all religion is for Allah.

The same process is happening in the Balkans and Thailand and the Philippines and East Timor and Lebanon and everywhere else that Islam has reached sufficient strength for a display of force.

That is our future unless Islam is stopped.

Posted by: Mike_W at August 15, 2007 10:56 AM

The nuclear deal made between the United States and India is contingent, or should be, on the government of India showing in thought, word, and deed that it will not be infiltrated by, influenced by, cowed by, Muslims inside or outside India. If Taslima Nasreen is charged by the government of India with any offense, not the non-existent offense, but the charge itself, will be rank. And all deals involving nuclear technology, should be looked at much more keenly, critically, and possibly ended altogether. Those deals are predicated, or should be, on the idea of India's government being safely in non-Muslim hands, Hindu and Jain and Buddhist and Christian and even, as with General Jacobs, Jewish hands, or in the hands as well of Muslims-for-identification-purposes-only Muslims, such as the current President.

But the Indian ambassador in Washington should communicate, if he has not already, that even the appearance of going after Taslima Nasreen will go down very hard in Washington, and endanger now, and certainly in the future, all kinds of possibile sharing of knowhnow and equipment between the United States and India.

Instead, the government of India ought to be moving heaven and earth to be publicly defending the right of Taslima Nasreen to speak her peace and not be intimidated, attacked, or threatened with death. If it does so, it will help itself, and all Infidels. If it does not do so, it will harm itself, and all Infidels.

The choice is up to the current rulers of India. But this business of showing such great solicitude for the sensibilities of thinnnest-of-skinned Muslims, desperately determined to silence criticsm, simply will not do.

Posted by: Hugh at August 15, 2007 11:00 AM

"I'm soooo glad I don't live in India!"

Don't be surprised if something similar happens here, if it hasn't already in some form.

Posted by: BlowHammed

The congress should pay attention to India. They should pay attention to all filth the mohmmandens brought onto India with their supramcy. The congress should pay attention to Taslima Nasreen. The congress should pay attenion to the muslim MPs (Minister of Parilamant) who want to bring laws to favor muslims in India...and so forth...and so forth.

Posted by: Infidel#1 at August 15, 2007 11:03 AM

"[Nasreen]. . .writes about the poor treatment of Hindus in mostly Muslim Bangladesh, and rape and mistreatment of women in Muslim societies.

So islamic haute couture such as the veil, billowing sack, and hefty bag aren't sufficient to ward off muhammedan abuse?. . . then again, wouldn't that be simply considered normal WWMD piety?

Posted by: justamomof4 at August 15, 2007 11:03 AM

If I go out and buy a koran w/ my own $$$ and flush it in my own toilet, thats my business. (The kid that flushed the koran did it at a state school, so what do ya expect)I'd love to see CAIR or anyone try to sue me on it. They wouldn't stand a chance. But maybe we can use such a scenario to get the whole thing rolling. Kinda like a Boston tea party....hmmmm. Actually I wouldn't waste my $$ or risk clogging up my throne.

Posted by: americanmadestrat at August 15, 2007 11:04 AM

Since the islamists like to say, they love pepsi we love death regarding America. I suppose the correct islamist lingo for India should be, they love feelings we love death. I smell trouble.

Posted by: tgusa at August 15, 2007 11:16 AM

The nuclear deal made between the United States and India is contingent, or should be, on the government of India showing in thought, word, and deed that it will not be infiltrated by, influenced by, cowed by, Muslims inside or outside India

Posted by Hugh

Oh please. As if the US is any better. Pot, meet black kettle.

Posted by: wrathofasma at August 15, 2007 11:17 AM

Just take your rapings you Hundi whore and keep your friggin trap shut about it ... or else. Is that a better translation for what the Muslims in the Indian government are doing? I hope the case only bring more light upon these roaches. What a bunch of barbarians.

Posted by: Ameriki at August 15, 2007 11:18 AM

Yesterday Hindu mob attacked a magazine headquarter for depicting their leader as villain. People often cite such incidents to propose some sort of equivalence between HIndu and Muslim fundamentalists. THere is ofcourse, as far as violence is concerned. But Muslim fundamentalists have the advantage of open, unashamed and exclusive surrender of Governments to them- what we would at Jihadwatch would call 'dhimmi'. I am not suggesting that government should also surrender to Hindu fundamentalists, certainly they should not. But this preferential surrender to Muslim fundamentalists is in many way responsible for the rise of Hindu fundamentalist movement in India. I still remember, no one in Congress or left or left leaning parties, had criticised the burning of 70 or so Hindus in Gujrat, which led to riots and only GUjrati Hindus were solely demonised for the riots.
Dhimmihood is not only dangerous for the immediate consequences, but it is also far more dangerous for it's unintended consequence that it leads groups to believe that by the threat of violence they can have their ways. This (may be some other reasons too) has destroyed democracy in Pakistan and Bangladesh, and this would destroy democracy in India too, if not checked. But is not any practice of dhimmi in itself 'undemocratic', and would slowly corrode all that free world stands for.

Posted by: pagan at August 15, 2007 11:27 AM

....the Hindus and Buddists in India continue to be killed by Muslims and evicted from their property by the Muslims, and the Indian government does little to counter attack....a sure sign India may be know as Indiastan one day....failure to fight back results in a sure,if not, slow death....

...no more foreign aid to India, and no deliveries of military equipment...not one dime, not one bullet...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at August 15, 2007 11:33 AM

To United States citizen jihad watchers:

I'm looking for at least two people in every state of the Union who would be willing to purchase a copy of Robert Spencer's Religion of Peace? Why Christianity Is and Islam Isn't and mail it to one of the senators in your state. I'm organizing an effort to get the book simultaneously to all 100 senators, in order to send a strong message. If you are interested in being involved, please leave a comment at www.jihadawareness.blogspot.com. No need to leave your real name, but do say what state you live in. Once we have at least two people from every state, we can agree on a mailing date and then each of us can mail a copy of the book on that date. If we get more than two people per state, we can send copies of the book to the House of Representatives as well.

Right before we do the mailing, we might issue a short press release to newspapers in every state, and in that way announce and briefly explain the mailing.

I started posting this at Jihad Watch only yesterday, and by day’s end we already had eight senators covered.

Posted by: traeh at August 15, 2007 11:36 AM

Nasreem's crime: exposing islam. My advice: wrap a piece of bacon around your neck and keep selling those books.

The goal should be to make the rest of world as sick of islam as we on JW are.

Posted by: CapitalistGig at August 15, 2007 11:53 AM

Assalamau Laikum all,

It is sad to see that someone talanted like Nasreen needs to go where she did....why?

While India has gone on to enjoy economic boom...the peoples that see the least of this boom are the muslims.

By and large Indian muslims are amongst some of the quietest and most peaceful peoples yet poorest on the planet ...and deserve a break, not a Naseeren type of kick whilst they are down.

If the economic prosperity does not get to the muslims ...perhaps (contraversially)...they need to have their own homeland
By this I am not talking about shipping Indian muslims to Pak....no I am talking about creating a new muslim homeland for Indian muslims ....Mussal-istan perhaps.

The Hindoos were up for it in 1947 ...so why not now as well. Then you can write all the books you want to in hindoo homeland.

Posted by: Naseem at August 15, 2007 11:57 AM

Re: India to charge writer Nasreen with 'hurting Muslim feelings'

How about a Muslim apology to Jews for hurting their feelings by calling them "apes and pigs". Imagine if Muslims were referred to as "apes and pigs". Would Muslims like that? Muslims owe a lot of apologies for their supremacist crap, Arab and Ottoman Imperialism. Even the Japanese recently apologized for their behavior in Asia during WW2.

Posted by: Frank at August 15, 2007 12:04 PM

And as all this goes on in India - in iran ----

President: Rule of Islam only way for salvation of mankind Kabul, Aug 14, IRNA

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said here Tuesday that rule of Islam on mankind is the only way for salvation of human beings.

"There is no truth on earth but monotheism and following tenets of Islam and there is no way for salvation of mankind but rule of Islam over mankind," said Ahmadinejad in a meeting with Afghan Sunni and Shiite ulama at Iranian Embassy in Kabul.

more at: http://www2.irna.ir/en/news/view/menu-234/0708142013173859.htm

Posted by: CelticCoyote at August 15, 2007 12:05 PM

Naseem said:

While India has gone on to enjoy economic boom...the peoples that see the least of this boom are the muslims.

I have to agree with Naseem, the boom are the Muslims. The booms around the world are all Islamic in nature.

Posted by: Elric66 at August 15, 2007 12:09 PM

So this woman in India writes the truth about Islam and is charged with the crime of "hurting Muslim feelings." It can't happen here? Think again.

I would warn my fellow Americans that there are forces in the US like CAIR, the Democrat party and their assorted fellow travellers who are busy trying to bring such laws to this country as we speak. Europe is already well on it's way there and it won't be long, especially if the Democrats win the White House and retain control of Congress, before we see more determined attempts to introduce speech control in the USA. We've already seen determined efforts to intimidate Robert Spencer and others who write about and expose the true nature of Islam, as well as those who would invite them to speak at their functions and the like.

Of course, these laws will be aimed at critics of Islam exclusively. Those who want to continue to demonize Christians will no doubt be free to contnue their attacks.

Posted by: Proud Infidel at August 15, 2007 12:19 PM

Naseem, Islam forbids greeting none musims in that fashion.

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at August 15, 2007 12:32 PM

The Hindoos were up for it in 1947 ...so why not now as well.

Posted by: Naseem at August 15, 2007 11:57 AM

No! Hindus were not up for it in 1947. Muslims tore Hindu land into India and Pakistan. Ofcourse, that did not help muslims, but that is no surprise.......

Posted by: Alert at August 15, 2007 12:35 PM

I agree with Hugh - in fact, I think the US government should put this deal on hold until a new government - sans the Leftists who currently oppose this deal - is in. Wrathofasma's tu quoque rebuttal is no reason why an India that isn't aware of what threatens it deserves to be armed to the teeth (even though the nuclear deal is a dual use deal).

Naseem, reason why Muslims don't benefit from the boom (some do - see the Doctors plotters - all Indian Muslims, no Pakis, despite the Indian government's claim that no Indian Muslims have ever participated in Jihad) is simple: other than forming militias like Lashkar e Toiba, SIMI, Jaish e Mohammad, Hizb ul Mujahideen, et al, Muslims are plain losers!

Pagan, I missed the news item you're talking about. But take Hindu 'fanatics' - do they have the habit of targeting anyone other than Muslims and Missionaries who make it a point to target Hindus, but never Muslims? And isn't their friction more with the Leftists and Secular government, that to this day re-writes Indian history as being hunky dory between Hindus and Muslims?

Posted by: Infidel Pride at August 15, 2007 12:39 PM

I'll email my song 'The Apostasy of Taslima Nasreen' to anyone who wants it...

oriana_tribute@

yahoo.com

Posted by: Cornelius at August 15, 2007 12:46 PM

To Naseem,
It is interesting that you raise the demand for muslim homeland. ASk Ahmadiyyas living in India and Pakistan and see how they are faring?
IT is interesting because the homeland created 60 years ago are struggling to survive, 'one' has become threat to the entire world and itself, and from the other 'dar ul islam' tens of millions are in India, living in slums in and major Indian ciies. How many Indian muslims, if they are living in pathetic conditions have taken refuge in Pak or Bangla (of course except Dawood and Co.)

Even after all this talk of Muslim 'umma' there are hundreds of thousands of rajakar muslims being kicked and rotting in Bangladesh and Pakis (whom they supported) would mock at them, while in India, so many Bangladeshis are living illegally with full knowledge of everyone, but still no one can do anything? Reason: Democracy. Perhaps Naseem has forgotten all about democracty so she will find it incredible that Muslims are most favourite of all politicians. In the last general elections, even BJP had to court them. No government can come and stay in power in India without the support of Muslims.

It is not that Muslims are the only ones poor in India, in India almost everyone is poor (two third living under half a dollar a day). Muslims may be 'disprportinaltely' (just by a few percentage), becasue all the muslim middle calss which could have contributed to and benefitted from the economic boom went to Pakistan and Bangladesh. There is poor representation of Muslims in various government and other sectors immediately after partition, the representation was almost nill, and there were no educated Muslims left to fill that void rapidly.
The ones remaining, poorest of poors, remain victims of Saudi funded propaganda, phobia of the western education and intellectualism, paranoid theories forwarded by a few. The politicians will highlight this difference, and promise to be a better dhimmi, by banning SAtanic verses, or taking actions against Taslima Nasreen, or any of such things, instead of doing something real good for everyone. Because Muslim votes go in a block to a party and they are sufficient to keep anyone in power, in a divided society.
But Indian Muslims are living and growing, many of them enjoying boom also.
What about minorities in those homelands, just check their percentages over past 60 years in these countries. Of course Naseem can make the foolish argument that they have seen the light and willing converted to Islam.

Posted by: pagan at August 15, 2007 12:49 PM

Naseem,

Why is it that Muslims can't live in peace and prosper in an infidel society? Why must they invariably end up agitating for their own state?...ala southern Thailand, southern Philippines, southern Russia, western China, etc...?

Posted by: Cornelius at August 15, 2007 12:51 PM

It is sad that the government of India, a nation that suffered under Muslim rule at various times in the past, should charge Ms. Nasrin with hurting Muslim feelings. To even the odds, that government should charge Muslim extremists with hurting the feelings of non-Muslims.

Posted by: Christian at August 15, 2007 12:53 PM

Infidel Pride,
I am talking about attack on Outlook magazine headquarter by Shivsena for depicting Bal Thackerey as Hitler. THat was yesterday or day before.

Posted by: pagan at August 15, 2007 12:54 PM

"Oppression is worse than killing" - Qur'an, (2:217)

Posted by: awake at August 15, 2007 12:58 PM

Why would they do that? Thackeray is on record on having a book in Marathi glorifying Hitler: one would have thought he'd relish the comparison.

OTOH, I am happy when members of the dhimmi media get attacked by non Muslims - that forces them to be on their toes while dealing with Hindus. Although Outlook, like Sunday magazine of yester decade, is a lost cause.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at August 15, 2007 12:59 PM

But Indian Muslims are living and growing, many of them enjoying boom also.

Posted by: pagan at August 15, 2007 12:49 PM

Muslims, classified as minority community, are given preferential treatment. Those who want to be a part of progress, take advantage of the preferencial treatment to become accountants, doctors, professionals, sports persons and even presidents. These few progressive muslims will tell you that you do not need to carve out a separate land to progress. Only the backward barbarians, who, inspite of the added incentives and opportunities, call to carve out another muslim land, blaming their plight on the very kafirs who grant a prefertential treatment. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you, but that is the nature of the Islamic beast.

Posted by: Alert at August 15, 2007 1:02 PM

By studying Indian History, west can learn a lot about the intereaction of Muslims with infidels in a non Islamic state. I am surprised at the eerie paralles in the incidents occurring in western world and what happened in India years ago. IT will be interesting that Dutch leader is demanding for banning the Koran now. Just google 'Calcutta Koran petition', when it happened? Rioting in France reflects, riots in India. And I can go on..

Posted by: pagan at August 15, 2007 1:04 PM

"It is sad to see that someone talanted like Nasreen needs to go where she did....why?" --from above

Nasreen left home because of jihadi death threats.

Duh.

Posted by: Chatillon at August 15, 2007 1:15 PM

Slightly OT but today is the 60th Anniversary of Indian independence from British rule. There's an article in Aug 13, New Yorker about the history of this event. If anyone has read it, I would appreciate your comments/thoughts. Basically it says that Churchill's opposition to the Hindus and Indian independence caused him to empower(squeezed) Jinnah who then morphed from a secularist Pakistan into a Muslim Pakistan. Although I thought that Churchill was no fan of the Muslims, either...The map drawing by Cyril Radcliffe was the primary cause of all the religious fighting that resulted, etc. And that Pakistan even though made into a Muslim issue by Churchill's pressure on Jinnah, was really very non Muslim politically until the 1980s when Pakistan's dictator with CIA and Saudi help turned the North-West frontier into a base for global jihad to counter Soviets in Afghanistan.

Posted by: HOV Dummy at August 15, 2007 1:24 PM

It is sad that the government of India, a nation that suffered under Muslim rule at various times in the past, should charge Ms. Nasrin with hurting Muslim feelings. To even the odds, that government should charge Muslim extremists with hurting the feelings of non-Muslims.

Posted by: Christian

It does, in a way. In Gujarat (Indian state)the prime minister is named Narendra Modi. He is corrupt. No doubt about that. But, if you are a muslim in gujarat, you'll hell to pay! Since he lives in a secular democracy, he can't come out and proclaim his hate for muslims.

When you live in a secular democracy, you have to take the good with the bad. I belive that the Taslima Nasreen incident happened to be in Hyderbad. It's not scientific, but where there are enough muslim votes to be counted there are enough people that will pander for their votes.

Posted by: Infidel#1 at August 15, 2007 1:24 PM

Then you can write all the books you want to in hindoo homeland.

Tell that to the Danish cartoonists, who can't draw anything "hurtful to Muslims" in their own homeland of Denmark without their lives being threatened.

Tell that to Theo Van Gogh, who was killed in his homeland of the Netherlands for writing things to "hurtful to Muslims".

Tell that to Isioma Daniel, who couldn't write a casual non-threatening article interpreted as "hurtful to Muslims" in her own homeland of Nigeria and had to run for her life to a foreign country.

Tell that to Salman Rushdie, who can't write books "hurtful to Muslims" in his own home in Britain and has a bounty levied on his head from a "hurt" country he probably never even visited.

Posted by: yadayada at August 15, 2007 1:44 PM

"By and large Indian muslims are amongst some of the quietest and most peaceful peoples yet poorest on the planet ...and deserve a break"
-- from Muslim poster "Nasreem" above

"Quietest"? "Most peaceful"? Since when? Since the British came along and ended the rule of the last of the Mughals in 1857, and even before that British scholars, beginning with Sir Wiliam Jones, "Oriental" Jones, had begun to help Hindus rediscover their own past? "Most peaceful" during the Moplah Uprising of 1921, a Jihad against truly peaceful Hindus? "Most peaceful" when they began to attack and kill their Hindu and Sikh neighbors during Partition, and only then were attacked in turn? "Most peaceful" now, while in Pakistan and Bangladesh the Hindus, Sikhs, Christians, Buddhists of the Chittagong Hills have been harried, discrinated against, persecuted, even murdered, so that the absolute and relative number of non-Muslims has dropped from 15% to 1.5% in Pakistan (formerly West Pakistan) and from 35% to 8% in Bangladesh (formerly East Pakistan)? "Most peaceful" when they attack Hindus and Sikhs and others, in many incidents never reported outside India, and some not even reported inside India, or at least beyond the state in which they occur? "Peaceful"?

And if "poor" perhaps they are "poor" only now, when there is no longer rule by Muslims, but they were very well-off when they ran things, and enslaved Hindus at will, and took what they wished. Now, of course, without that ability to live off the non-Muslims, and without the oil manna that keeps so many Arab Muslims afloat, they have to live on their own industry and enterprise and, given the habit of mental submission, and the discouragement of any free and skeptical thought that has effects going far beyond the "religious" aspect of life, and given above all the effect of Islam's inshallah-fatalism, they are not quite thriving -- though among the new rich of India there are plenty of Muslims, or at least of those who for identification purposes call themselves Muslims, for nothing is done to discourage them in any way or to hold them back. They themselves hold themselves back, which is why, despite the ten trillion dollars in OPEC oil wealth since 1973, no Arab or Muslim state has managed to create anything like a modern economy.

Posted by: Hugh at August 15, 2007 2:26 PM

"they need to have their own homeland..."

Posted by Naseem.

........Muslims have had several homelands and have systematically destroyed each one....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at August 15, 2007 3:02 PM

Imagine what will happen to the world if India experiences an Islamic coup d'etat. Such a thing is quite possible as I see things over there.

In only 50 more years, the Indian subcontinent will have an Islamic majority population and the Hindus will be in the minority. When that happens (as now appears imminent), the place will probably descend into chaos and ignite into a global-scale conflict (many millions more will perish there I am sure of it). It won't be the first time this has happened.

India's government is probably aware that it has made a Faustian bargain in civil affairs: keeping the peace (for now) with the Muslim population in India at the expense of Indians' individual freedoms.

But as the Muslims slowly gain the upper hand demographically in India, the Indians are definitely going to regret that they made such a decision. Redress of grievances against Muslims is NOT included in the equation: which it never is.

America may want to review its nuclear options with India in light of this disturbing demographic reality facing the subcontinent.

Posted by: pythagoras at August 15, 2007 3:29 PM

Imagine what will happen to the world if India experiences an Islamic coup d'etat. Such a thing is quite possible as I see things over there.

In only 50 more years, the Indian subcontinent will have an Islamic majority population and the Hindus will be in the minority. When that happens (as now appears imminent), the place will probably descend into chaos and ignite into a global-scale conflict (many millions more will perish there I am sure of it). It won't be the first time this has happened.

India's government is probably aware that it has made a Faustian bargain in civil affairs: keeping the peace (for now) with the Muslim population in India at the expense of Indians' individual freedoms.

But as the Muslims slowly gain the upper hand demographically in India, the Indians are definitely going to regret that they made such a decision. Redress of grievances against Muslims is NOT included in the equation: which it never is.

America may want to review its nuclear options with India in light of this disturbing demographic reality facing the subcontinent.

Posted by: pythagoras at August 15, 2007 3:35 PM

Imagine what will happen to the world if India experiences an Islamic coup d'etat. Such a thing is quite possible as I see things over there.

In only 50 more years, the Indian subcontinent will have an Islamic majority population and the Hindus will be in the minority. When that happens (as now appears imminent), the place will probably descend into chaos and ignite into a global-scale conflict (many millions more will perish there I am sure of it). It won't be the first time this has happened.

India's government is probably aware that it has made a Faustian bargain in civil affairs: keeping the peace (for now) with the Muslim population in India at the expense of Indians' individual freedoms.

But as the Muslims slowly gain the upper hand demographically in India, the Indians are definitely going to regret that they made such a decision. Redress of grievances against Muslims is NOT included in the equation: which it never is.

America may want to review its nuclear options with India in light of this disturbing demographic reality facing the subcontinent.

Posted by: pythagoras at August 15, 2007 3:39 PM

Imagine what will happen to the world if India experiences an Islamic coup d'etat. Such a thing is quite possible as I see things over there.

In only 50 more years, the Indian subcontinent will have an Islamic majority population and the Hindus will be in the minority. When that happens (as now appears imminent), the place will probably descend into chaos and ignite into a global-scale conflict (many millions more will perish there I am sure of it). It won't be the first time this has happened.

India's government is probably aware that it has made a Faustian bargain in civil affairs: keeping the peace (for now) with the Muslim population in India at the expense of Indians' individual freedoms.

But as the Muslims slowly gain the upper hand demographically in India, the Indians are definitely going to regret that they made such a decision. Redress of grievances against Muslims is NOT included in the equation: which it never is.

America may want to review its nuclear options with India in light of this disturbing demographic reality facing the subcontinent.

Posted by: pythagoras at August 15, 2007 3:50 PM

Hugh

Which poster are you referring to?

Posted by: Infidel Pride at August 15, 2007 3:53 PM

Jaya vijayi bhavi! Jaya Bharata!

Sorry, I can't help it. I just finished reading the Ramayana and now am halfway through the Mahabharata - India's two great epics. Jaya means victory; Bharata is the name of the great homeland. See http://www.hinduunity.org/ .

Posted by: Surak at August 15, 2007 4:02 PM

Everything Hugh points out about poor Muslims in India is true, also simple logic will tell you that if there is any economic boom to be enjoyed, a household that allows its female adults to go to work is going to cash in more than any household that doesn't

Posted by: freedomschool at August 15, 2007 4:05 PM

Jaya vijayi bhavi! Jaya Bharata!

(Jaya = victory. Bharata = great Hindu homeland.)

Posted by: Surak at August 15, 2007 4:06 PM

A great example of the Islmaic mindset.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=26a_1186290851

By this explanation all non-muslims that don't want to be raped, murdered, or converted are terrorists against Islam, and Islam has the right to defend itself against them.

Posted by: Ameriki at August 15, 2007 4:55 PM

'promoting 'disharmony or feelings....'between religous groups is punishable to up to three years in jail.'

I guess pointing out that a religous group is promoting 'disharmony or feelings...' is wrong too?

So, you can't say it is the 'religion' but you can point out the person, until the person 'trumps' your accusation with their religion. If the religion allows without denouncing the crime, then the 'religion is promoting disharmony or feelings....'

No wonder India has already lost their western region to what is now called Pakistan, and is losing Kashmir. Is there anything that India can fight for, other then Americans jobs?

Posted by: alaskan1000 at August 15, 2007 5:19 PM

We need to get Nasreen to America, to set up shop with Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Wafa Sultan, Nonie Darwish, and any other uppity woman who will stand up against the mobs, and assert herself.

Posted by: Jauhara Al-Kafirah at August 15, 2007 5:37 PM

"new muslim homeland for Indian muslims"

Naseem,

Weren't Pakistan and (now) Bangladesh part of India before Indian Muslims decided they needed an independent state to secure the gains they made when they invaded India centuries earlier?

And what part of India would this one take, pray tell?

Why don't Muslims simply live in a secular society and if you are insulted by what someone says just ignore it? Why must we bow to you? Why not just smile knowingly at the rest of us, secure in the knowledge that you, and you alone, will go to heaven because the rest of us think Allah is a fake? Is your belief in Allah so weak that you can't stand living next to someone who doesn't join you at the mosque or even seeing a bible in his hands? You want a homeland for Indian Muslims, how about Muslims letting Indian Hindus live in peace? You might be surprised at the reaction you get.

There are currently almost two dozen "homelands" for Muslims, most of them carved from land stolen from cultures that were more advanced a millenium ago than Islam is today. But of course they had to be. There would have been no booty otherwise and little reason for plunderers to waste time and energy imposing their beliefs in order to justify committing murder and mayhem.

Posted by: PMK at August 15, 2007 6:01 PM

Naseem comes out polishing the victimhood tightly coiled pile on the neighbors lawn today.

Oh woe is muslims,all they are trying to do is get a piece of the economic boom.

Oh woe is muslims,all they want is to have thier own homelamd within India.

First of all there is economic hardship in ALL islamic homelands and non homelands because allah and muhammad never intended for them to aspire to anything other than conquerage and death.Thats allahs economics (raiding and stealing) and thats the islamic boom ( blowing ones ignorant self to bits for allahs economy 101)

I wonder naseem why are there no Christian or budhist or jewish "homelands" withing the islamic boundaries? HUH why is that?

How about if all the christians in islamoville move to one major part and set up borders and calls it Christiandomland,saluting the American flag that abounds all around in it's territory,where christianity is allowed to flourish openly and in the light of day on every street.And then lets say that they have an economic struggle and islamoville has to give them hundreds of millions of dollars in aid,never to ever be repaid and it goes on year after year decade after decade.

Are you good with that Naseem?

Your freakshow is shameless.It's all about what the world has to hand you without question.

You want to know what i think Naseem? I think the west should invade every stinking islamic hell hole and plant thier flags for all time. The middle east has been baught and paid for many times over,it's a fixer upper no doubt.Nothing those Israelie dozers can't take care of.

I think you have a good point naseem,all muslims want are thier own little nations in a nation and little states within a state. But then we want ours within yours with our own rules and religions and the freehand to overpopulate and move in on the territory next door (thats yours).Slowly we would do this with having six kids per wife (remember you will be paying us to do this with the aid you give us.)

Keep polishing Naseem because you are a joke.I laugh when you people claim you have been humiliated because you have no humility.You certainly have no sense.

One has to be careful in thier attempt at taking anothers property because they could find in the end what they will be left with is smaller than that which they started.

Naseem don't you find it a bit odd that there are a lot of unwanted muslims in islamoville,unwanted by thier very own people yet "others" are supposed to move over and make room and provide for them.

You and your muslim degenerate friends have an issue but it's with your masters and your God and your stinking prophet.

I have absolutely no pity for you at all.

Posted by: Dar al-harb at August 15, 2007 6:01 PM

Assalamau Laikum Dar al-harb,

You try to be so superior with your fancy handle don't you.

You say "I have absolutely no pity for you at all"....and I think you speak for most kaffur.

Muslims don't need or care for your pity anyway...only for you to move over and make space ...for the rapidly growing umma.

Posted by: Naseem at August 15, 2007 6:37 PM

This is an interesting story. Does India arrest Hindus when they attack muslims or Christians? India is not as free as the media and academics thinks it is.

Posted by: callmeinfidel at August 15, 2007 6:41 PM

Naseems you prove the point at how much cowardice the muslim horde cannot take the truth even coming from your own! muslims love to weep at their own so called woes, how cruel the West is towards them. Can you point to even one "muslim" country run by muslims where other muslims want to immigrate to? muslims cannot run their own countries, look at all the imported workers into the oil rich arab countries. muslim culture is like a parasite, it cannot survive on its own it needs to feed off other cultures. the muslim culture devours all around it, and when no infidel can be found muslims kill other muslims not muslim enough.. yeah Naseems you are not muslim enough to snake around the black rock at mecca.. boo hoo..

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at August 15, 2007 7:15 PM

"hurting" their feelings????
LOLOL

such sensitive murderous terminators!
(/sarc)

Posted by: jcom972 at August 15, 2007 8:27 PM

Much to my surprise, I just read an article about Ms. Nasreen in yesterday's online Toronto Star:

http://www.thestar.com/comment/article/245902

The reporter has met her.

Here is the end of the article:

"So should the sentiments of the faithful have the power to turn an unbeliever into a criminal – or a corpse?

"At some point, Western liberals have to draw a steadfast line. Sure, the American invasion of Iraq was an atrocity; sure, Muslim minorities from Bosnia to China have suffered grievous oppression; sure, Palestinians continue to be mistreated and abused; sure, the vast majority of Muslims are peace-loving people.

"But having said all that, we liberals need to define and hold onto the values that are essential to us – values we hold sacred, to use a loaded word. We need to defend and proclaim our own moral convictions.

"For me, freedom of speech is sacred. For me, a library is as holy as any mosque or church. I despise anyone for whom religious sentiments justify a threat of murder.

"I also despise anyone who thinks that out of sensitivity to Muslims, we should keep silent about the threats against Taslima Nasreen."

Posted by: Josephine at August 15, 2007 8:33 PM

"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear." (George Orwell)

Posted by: thibjac at August 15, 2007 9:03 PM

NASEEM:

30 seconds have gone by again!

It's time for you to go run off and join some "religious" Islamic cohorts of yours and KO another kuffir "infidel" (read: poor slob) in the name of al-lah!

Posted by: pythagoras at August 15, 2007 9:33 PM

@traeh,

Literary counter-jihad! LOL I love it!

Posted by: Abscedere at August 15, 2007 11:52 PM

"By and large Indian muslims are amongst some of the quietest and most peaceful peoples yet poorest on the planet ...and deserve a break, not a Naseeren type of kick whilst they are down."

The fact that Muslims are among the poorest people on the planet should tell you something about Islam. No people can prosper in that kind of spiritual darkness.

The Naseeren "kick" you talk anout is called freedom of speech. How does freedom of speech cause poverty in the Muslim world?

As usual, the solution to all the ills of Muslim society is to destroy other people's freedoms, and subjugate them to Islamic rule.

The solution to Muslim woes is to find Jesus in their lives, and for that, you need only ask in prayer.

Posted by: rational at August 16, 2007 12:04 AM

"Muslims don't need or care for your pity anyway...only for you to move over and make space ...for the rapidly growing umma."--Naseem

Your true colors are showing, dear.

Posted by: Abscedere at August 16, 2007 12:23 AM

lol @ "rapidly growing umma". Oh, PuhLEASE! lol

As posted in another thread, here's a newsflash:
islam isn't the fastest growing religion, it's Christianity.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44033
http://atimes.com/atimes/China/IH07Ad03.html
...and many of them are Chinese, and don't like you.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/12/8/132707.shtml
...and the islamofascist invasion in europe met resistance.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54441

But that fact aside...your maniacal males will have to murder every single American to make room for the ummagumma...and we're not defenseless. Do the math...that is, if your master will permit you to think.

Reality makes NO room for fraud, especially some murderous death cult made up by some bandit chieftain pedophile from southern jordan, named UBU'L KASSIM (his REAL name, since mohammed is NOT a name, but a title="praised one") who self-ordained himself in the eyes of God, thus incurring his inevitable wrath which will come. (Revelation names their tribes, by their ancient names known back then), and when that day comes, the fooled ones of this murderous death cult are in for one helluva bad day.

Maybe they could try and sue GOD instead of us messengers of reality (that should prove hilarious, as the REAL GOD does have a great sense of humor, and their does NOT), as it's as close to reality as they're ever going to get.
LOL

Posted by: jcom972 at August 16, 2007 2:19 AM

Assalamau Laikum all,

Cornelius asks, Why is it that Muslims can't live in peace and prosper in an infidel society? Why must they invariably end up agitating for their own state?

This is a very good question….

I think it has to do with quiet stealthy discrimination against the muslim that the kaffur shows and often does not show.

The remarks like wearing a “brillo” beard, the remark to womens wearing “black tents”. The lack of freedom to follow our culture…like being forced to wear school uniforms…showing the legs…etc. It all takes it’s toll.

The lack of job opportunities ….we are confined to driving taxis and opening liqor stores…the lack of halal meat in quaint English Villages....most other opportunities simply seem to be “closed” off. The lack of success in education….

The corruption to our young…they see white girls showing of their meats from an early age in an attempt to corrupt them.

Do I really need to go on…..bottom line is …it is too far away from the utopia that Muhd SAW put forward!

This is not to say that all is bad in infidel countries….far far from it…the infidel has to be grudgingly admired for his achievements, his novel approach to solving certain problems and his creativity….but his lack of faith and taunts towards Allah SWT can take it’s toll.

I think that the utopia for me really is to have a mix of the two….I live in a total muslim environment….and to be honest …I miss the buzz of UK now and then….again this is not to belittle Lahore….it is my home and I love that too….I just wish to have both….

I think it is this lack of being able to have both leads the muslims to decide that he is better off with what he understands at least!

Allah SWT is most merciful to those that understand…and the Kaffur does not even make any attempt.

Posted by: Naseem at August 16, 2007 4:27 AM

"Allah SWT is most merciful to those that understand...."

....Allahs mercy is filling graves these days....and we do understand......

Posted by: exsgtbrown at August 16, 2007 6:17 AM

Naseem wrote:

"The lack of job opportunities ….we are confined to driving taxis and opening liqor stores…the lack of halal meat in quaint English Villages....most other opportunities simply seem to be “closed” off. The lack of success in education…."

Every now and again, Naseem reveals a good portion of her demented mentality, re-affirming my belief that nothing good has derived from or will ever come about from Muhammad's Islam.

Muslims are not confined to ANYTHING in the West. Her statement is absurd. Her contradictions are also resident in her remark that Muslims are forced to open up liquor stores. So, cabbies won't and shouldn't pick up alcohol carrying patrons but they can open up liquor stores?

The lack of halal food?....open up a butcher shop, problem solved. The lack of success in education?...put down the Qur'an for a second and read another book or twenty, again, problem solved.

Excuses, excuses, excuses. Always excuses from Naseem and her ilk. Excuses as to why countries under Islamic theocratic rule have always failed. Islam is a failed ideology, only serving a historical purpose to it's master, Muhammad, out in the desert in the 7th century. What does Islam bring to the table today, to better the world for all?...absolutely nothing. Islam does not enhance, it only adulterates, tainting all it comes in contact with.

And now we have Naseem. One of many of the generation after generation of those who have literaly wasted their lives (and the lives of others) in an attempt to sate their vengeful deity. Membership to a club with no termination clause and no escape. A lifetime of slavery to Allah, and insh'allah, may it be a quick life for it is surely bereft of any true happiness.

The continued subscription to Islam is a self-inflicted wound, not a bane delivered by the West. That being said, Naseem does deserve a modicum of our pity. A lifetime of slavery to an inferior ideology, as an inferior gender. No thanks.

Posted by: awake at August 16, 2007 9:55 AM

"Excuses, excuses, excuses. Always excuses from Naseem and her ilk. Excuses as to why countries under Islamic theocratic rule have always failed. Islam is a failed ideology, only serving a historical purpose to it's master, Muhammad, out in the desert in the 7th century. What does Islam bring to the table today, to better the world for all?...absolutely nothing. Islam does not enhance, it only adulterates, tainting all it comes in contact with."

Posted by: awake

Everything that Islam isn't America is! America is the shining star in this world. I'm a minority and all I can say is America has given me all the oppourtinty to succeed. It is nobody else's fault if I choose to succeed or fail.

Posted by: Infidel#1 at August 16, 2007 10:40 AM

NASEEM: "I think it has to do with quiet stealthy discrimination against the muslim that the kaffur shows and often does not show."

RESPONSE: As opposed to the blatantly overt discrimination and unprovoked violence perpetrated against infidels within Dar ul Islam.

NASEEM: "The remarks like wearing a “brillo” beard, the remark to womens wearing “black tents”. The lack of freedom to follow our culture…like being forced to wear school uniforms…showing the legs…etc. It all takes it’s toll."

RESPONSE: As opposed to church bombings in Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia and elsewhere in Dar ul Islam...not to mention violent pogroms directed at Christians in Egypt, Indonesia, etc.

NASEEM: "The lack of job opportunities ….we are confined to driving taxis and opening liqor stores…the lack of halal meat in quaint English Villages....most other opportunities simply seem to be “closed” off. The lack of success in education…."

RESPONSE: The Christians of your native Pakistan are the poorest of the poor...yet, there is no Christian jihad in Pakistan.

NASEEM: "The corruption to our young…they see white girls showing of their meats from an early age in an attempt to corrupt them."

RESPONSE: I see. Muslim men are not responsible for their thoughts and actions. All blame lies on the exposed "meat" of evil "white girls." Your racism couldn't be more apparent.

NASEEM: "Do I really need to go on…..bottom line is …it is too far away from the utopia that Muhd SAW put forward!"

RESPONSE: The "utopia" put forward by "Muhd" was one where women were stoned to death and infidels were killed en mass or exiled. It never was "utopia" my dear, except in the deluded minds of the faithful.

NASEEM: "I think that the utopia for me really is to have a mix of the two….I live in a total muslim environment….and to be honest …I miss the buzz of UK now and then….again this is not to belittle Lahore….it is my home and I love that too….I just wish to have both…."

RESPONSE: So we witness first hand the dichotomy that invariably subverts the Muslim consciousness.

You aspire to the vitality and dynamism that characterizes infidel society, but you reject the freedom that is at the root of said dynamism. It is an incongruity that is insurmountable: either you embrace the freedom and pluralism that produces such vitality...or consign yourself to a life without it. There is no middle way.

NASEEM: "I think it is this lack of being able to have both leads the muslims to decide that he is better off with what he understands at least!"

RESPONSE: We finally agree. Muslims cannot have a free, open and dynamic society for as long as they emulate the teachings and example of Muhammad. And given the choice, most Muslims will opt for their own cultural patrimony....which is just one more argument justifying restrictions on Muslim immigration as a minority that refuses to assimilate.

NASEEM: "Allah SWT is most merciful to those that understand…and the Kaffur does not even make any attempt."

RESPONSE: Those who follow Muhammad's teachings have been decidedly UN-merciful to the "Kaffur" throughout 14 hundred years of history. No amount of "understanding" can change that.

Posted by: Cornelius at August 16, 2007 11:07 AM

memo to Naseem:

Your 30 seconds have expired!

It's time once again for you to go run off to join some 'religious' Islamic cohorts and KO more poor slobs in the name of al-lah!

Posted by: pythagoras at August 16, 2007 2:19 PM

lol
Well, short & sweet...amidst the psychobabble of the psychotics masquerading as a religion of peace:

L-A-N A-S-T-A-S-L-E-M!...especially to a fraudulent death cult.
It doesn't get any clearer than that.
;-)

Posted by: jcom972 at August 16, 2007 5:32 PM

Naseem,
What about middle east countries? Pakistan? Bangladesh? Indonesia? Egypt? Somalia? What world class colleges they have? So that we can prompt our generation to work hard and study there? How many world class medical hospitals are run there solely by muslims, so that we can take our sick to be treated there? How many world class engineering colleges in Iran? Forget that. Is there any attempt being made to open a world class school for little children? Any incredible movie sent to Oscar? Any respected leader who enjoys goodwill? Any arithmetics genius, the world wants to imitate? Any first rate medical college which people all over the world throng to get admitted? No all these things require CREATIVE THINKING, Which you people are unable to. All you can think of HOW TO DESTROY, NOT HOW TO CREATE. You use the TECHNOLOGY CREATED BY SAME KAFFIRS SHAMELESSLY. You DON'T EVEN HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO MAKE YOUR OWN ROCKET LAUNCHERS TO THROW AT KAFFIRS. THey have to be made by Kafirs. And you have to wait for DEATH to lead a good life. Which most of us lead in this very own world. For enjoying life we don't have to blow ourselves up. We lead good life by being CREATIVE NOT DESTROYING THIS GOD'S EARTH.

Posted by: Nobody at August 16, 2007 5:49 PM

"The remarks like wearing a “brillo” beard, the remark to womens wearing “black tents”. The lack of freedom to follow our culture…like being forced to wear school uniforms…showing the legs…etc. It all takes it’s toll.

The lack of job opportunities ….we are confined to driving taxis and opening liqor stores…the lack of halal meat in quaint English Villages....most other opportunities simply seem to be “closed” off. The lack of success in education….

The corruption to our young…they see white girls showing of their meats from an early age in an attempt to corrupt them."

What self-pitying crap!

Posted by: alexon at August 17, 2007 12:23 AM