Im not a lawyer but if jihadists use this as a recruitment tool and youtube allows it, can youtube be charged with giving support to a terrorist group?

Posted by: Elric66 at August 21, 2007 7:58 AM

""act of desperation."

...Islam is the role model for an act of deseration...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at August 21, 2007 8:21 AM

"Another example of how the ease of modern communications makes the spread of jihad easy also, for now jihadists can penetrate into areas of the Muslim world where the jihad ideology had lain dormant for considerable periods."
--- from Robert Spencer's comment on the article above

Technological advances made by Infidels, but then appropriated by Muslims, allow the latter to disseminate not some made-up texts, but the actual texts of Islam, those that pertain most directly to the Jihad, and the Jihad using the instrument of qitaal, or combat (or the version that Infidels have no trouble describing as "terrorism" and that for many Muslims is perfectly licit, given both their quite narrow definition of Infidel "civilians" and their willingness to describe suicide bombers as not really committing suicide (which is not licit in Islam) but merely as conducting combat operations that may very likely lead to their death, and hence not to be considered to be examples of "suicide" at all. The Jihad, so central to Islam, manages to justify a great deal.

But technology, remember, is made more readily available where there are is enough prosperity for television sets, or cassette players, or for towers to be built. Or for an Internet message to get through, that requires access to the Internt. In other words, the poorest villagers, in the most remote places, leading their hardscrabble existence, are the least likely to be a problem, but as soon as the wonders of modern (Infidel) technology arrive, things change.

Furthermore, there is one aspect of technology -- the revolution in transportation -- that also helps to disseminate the message of those conducting Jihad through violent means (Jihad conducted through any means, through Da'wa, through demographic conquest, is a danger, and in the long run far more dangerous to Infidel well-being than these acts of terrorism, but in order to recognize them as a danger, one must first be willing or able to comprehend their use, quite conscious use, as instruments to further Jihad, which itself is a "struggle" to spread Islam, not until it covers the globe, but until it dominates the globe, and Muslims rule, everywhere. That is the desired, that is the obvious, that is the natural end point. And whether it happens or not (one cannot imagine China, Japan, Korea, sturdier, more aware of their own pasts and cultures, succumbing to Islam) it is the state of permanent war between Believers and Infidels, one mandated by Islam (though open warfare need only be conducted when conditions are right, and ripe)that seem most vulnerable, because of psychically and economically marginal individuals and groups, and because of that blend of wilful ignorance and deliberate sentimentalism that characterizes, today, those who would presume to instruct and protect.

The ability to send out the full message of Islam, with the special effects of the day, has indeed been damaging: those endless scenes of Arab "martyrs" and their deeds of derring-do, as this Humvee is seen being blown up, and then this one, or as the Twin Towers are shown as they crumble, or this or that hapless Infidel is spurtingly decapitated, and all to the sound of Arab war-cries and monotonous music, designed to thrill the would-be Jihadists everywhere. And then there are the endless pictures, the propaganda about Amerian or Israeli or British or Thai or Filipino or Indian or (Your-Infidel-Here) supposed atrocities, with emphasis on blood, women and children, the whole thing.

Just imagine if the Nazi propaganda machine, which managed to take over all of Germany, had had the instruments now available -- had had the Internet -- for Goebbels and his associates to work their sinister magic, to people all over the world, in a dozen or perhaps two dozen languages.

And there is one other technological revolution that makes things quite different, and much more dangerous for Infidels. It is the communication and transportation revolution, the great ease with which Muslims, living in, and perhaps even being citizens of, this or that Infidel nation-state, but being able, as they could not, say, fifty years ago, keeping in constant touch by telephone with other Muslims in Muslim lands, especially those that they or their parents may have come from. And then there is the ability, to travel back and forth, as hundreds of thousands of Pakistanis, some of them British citizens no doubt in the most limited, formal passport sense, do every year, travel back to good old Pakistan, to take a wife, or dump an old one, to refresh yearly, one's contact with the Old Sod -- the Old Sod in question being a place where Al Qaeda is protected, where A.Q. Khan the nuclear thief ("Father of the Islamic Bomb"), lives in luxury safe from prying American investigators, and Lashkar Jihad, and Lashkar-e-Toiba, and Sipaha-e-Sahaba, and a hundred other groups, are there on the ground to see that justice is done.

Yet what is the position of the American and other Western governments? It is to "end poverty" and to build up, with roads, with all kinds of transportation and communication infrastructure, the very places which, as soon as they get it, will now be even more vulnerable to Arab Muslim propaganda. Will the Afghani villages as yet untouched by the Internet or satellite television become more, or less, fanatically Muslism when the Americans, in their heedless haste and waste (in Iraq, in Afghanistan, everywhere) proceed to brightly march in and bring with them as much as they can of advanced technology? Will those who think it is a splendid idea to present every little boy and girl in the backward world with a brand-new computer, and a very nice Internet connection to go with it, give a thought to what is now going to be available on that computer?

Don't even think about it, we are told, or rather, the question is not even raised. It is not even raised about sub-Saharan Africa, where we assume that those negroponte-ish (the other Negroponte) computers can only do good. But if such gift-horses bring with them, inadvertently, the "gift" of Islam, what Infidel, knowing what Islam does to stunt mental and moral growth (and the defectors or apostates from Islam know this perfectly well), would support such endeavors?

Oh, not to worry, some say, because little Muslims will naturally reject that, thanks to mindless Infidels, will merely, and for all we know will be tapping their feet to "High School Musical Part I" or possibly "High School Musical Part II." Don't be silly.

Posted by: Hugh at August 21, 2007 8:27 AM

Hugh---How about your own book being published. A compilation of a hundred or so of your best JW posts might be a best seller. You could call it "Hugh's views on Jews and Jihad".

Posted by: guide inside at August 21, 2007 8:51 AM

People - My husband received this from NewsMax.com this morning:

An Urgent Message
From the Desk of David Horowitz

I need your help. The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) - whose very founders have been arrested in connection with terrorist activities - has decided to silence once and for all its harshest and bravest critic: the Freedom Center's Robert Spencer.

CAIR is using legal threats to extort groups who ask Robert to speak at their gatherings and tell the truth about Islamic Jihad.

You may recall, not long ago I asked Robert, a fearless patriot, to come join the Freedom Center team. Spencer's powerful internet site, Jihad Watch, was taking on radical Islam in ways no one in on the planet was doing - daily, sometimes hourly, exposing their financial underpinnings and digging deep to reveal the roots of Islamofascism's evil and terror.

Robert is so good at what he does terrorists issued a fatwa - a legal decree in sharia law requiring any Muslim to kill Spencer if they had the chance. The fatwa's closing line is nothing less than bloodcurdling:

"May Allah rip out his spine from his back and split his brains in two, and then put them both back, and then do it over and over.

However, rather than striking fear into Robert's heart, the death decree has made him more forcused and dedicated to exposing the "religion of peace" for it truly is.

Recently Robert was invited to speak at a conference hosted by the Young America's Foundation in Washington, D.C. YAF the leading conservative organization for high school and college-aged Americans.

A day before Robert was to deliver a talk titled "The Truth About the Council on American-Islamic Relations," YAF officials found an ominous letter on their FAX machine.

A powerful Washington, D.C. law firm told YAF that Robert was, in essence, a hate-filled liar and that CAIR had ordered the law firm "to purse every available and appropriate legal remedy to redress any false and defamatory statements that made" at the conference.

In other words: silence Robert Spencer or be sued. It doesn't get much more threatening than this and still remain within the bounds of the law.

To help Robert, we are creating a special Jihad Watch Defense Fund to counter these threats. Your contribution of $35, $50, $100, $200, $500 or more right now will help us raise the $250,000 we need to ensure two things:

Send the message that you and other Americans are not intimidated by the politically correct radical left and that Jihad Watch and Robert Spencer are financially ready to combat what can only be described as legal extortion.
Keep Robert and Jihad Watch doing what they do best: exposing groups like CAIR who mask themselves as friends of our country, when Robert consistently reveals their lies and connections to groups and individuals who support Islamofascism.
You know well how the radical left works. Anyone who dares speak out against them becomes a target for lies, vilification, and threats.

Robert takes these threats in stride. But legal challenges, no matter how scurrilous, are costly. We must be willing to do what needs to be done to meet this challenge.

And one more thing you and I must consider. Recently you may have read that the editor of the Oakland Post was murdered for doing his job - revealing the violent nature of a local Black Muslim group.

The murder of this journalist demonstrates clearly the evil threat that hangs over our friend Robert Spencer each day. You and I can take great pride in working to help him and Jihad Watch.

So please, take a moment right to use one of the blue highlighted links in this letter and make a contribution of $35, $50, $100, $200, $500 or more if possible right now. It's courageous work he's doing and courageous support you'll be giving.

As always, I truly appreciate your support. I know I speak on behalf of our small but dedicated Center team when I say, thank you.

Sincerely,

David Horowitz
President & Founder
P.S. Linked to our Jihad Defense Fund contribution page is a copy of the thinly veiled threat CAIR's attorney sent the Young America's Foundation. I think you'll see they mean to scare YAF and anyone else interested in hearing the truth about radical jihad from Robert Spencer.

When you make a contribution of $50 or more today I will rush you a copy of Robert's bestseller, "The Truth About Mohammed." This book is typical of Robert's excellent research and dedication to getting the facts to you and me. Thanks again!

Posted by: darcy at August 21, 2007 9:23 AM

Is there really an official "fatwa" on Mr. Spencer?

Posted by: darcy at August 21, 2007 9:25 AM

"Hugh---How about your own book being published. A compilation of a hundred or so of your best JW posts might be a best seller. You could call it 'Hugh's views on Jews and Jihad.'"
-- from a posting above

That suggested title won't do. You need something a bit sexier in order to attract that mass market. You know, something reminiscent of a checkout-counter newspaper's headline -- "Paris Hilton and Greco-Spanish Shipping Tycoon Placido Athanasius: Are They Still Together?" -- but a bit shorter. And it should not be too taxing. Possibly 120 pages long, at most, with 60 of them consisting of photographs of Paris and Placido in various states of undress and seeming arousal.

Still, you can do a lot in 60 pages. I could fit all three parts of "Islam for Infidels" into those 60 pages. Imagine the surprise, and likely initial disappointment, of all those people being subjected to my "Islam for Infidels" when they were hoping for still more of the inside scoop on the divine Paris, with her seductive Placido.

It would be akin to what happened to those millions of naughty-minded innnocents, snapping up copies of "Lolita" back in 1958 or 1959, expecting one thing, and finding quite another. Still, some of them must have been stirred in ways they could not have anticipated. There is nothing as seductive as good prose. I, a young boy, when furtively fumbling through its pages at a much later date, for all the obvious reasons, certainly found that to be true.

Posted by: Hugh at August 21, 2007 9:36 AM

Is there really an official "fatwa" on Mr. Spencer?

Posted by: darcy at August 21, 2007 9:25 AM

There's a fatwa on everything but Islamic terorrism.

Posted by: Elric66 at August 21, 2007 9:39 AM

I assume the videos were taken off of youtube since there are no webaddresses in any of the articles. Too bad that they even make it out there for a little while, but I don't know how they filter things that are on their site. I did a vew searches, not many, and didn't find anything.

Posted by: R_not at August 21, 2007 9:41 AM

Islam is so deranged that an individual muslim can declare his own personal fatwa and/or jihad, and act without the permission of anyone. Thats one of the things that makes muslims dangerous. A peaceful muslim is peaceful until he is not.

Youtube...I have been a youtube member for some time now. I don't upload movies, but like the variety of subjects found there. There are plenty of taqiyya loaded clips, and some anti-Islam clips. Clips looking to solicit the public for money or recruit jihadists definatly should be banned. This computer has no sound, but I will go to another and watch these videos, and complain to management as needed...

Posted by: duh_swami at August 21, 2007 11:01 AM

Street jihadis in Germany are doing the very same thing:

May this serve to educate "infidels":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3dVclswA2w

Youtube Rage Boy in Germany threatening the locals.
Watch it all..

Posted by: Allahfanculo at August 21, 2007 4:59 PM

Here's the answer to YouTube terrorist videos- replace them all with:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8IpODcXezU

Posted by: profitsbeard at August 21, 2007 10:55 PM

Offtopic - but loudly seconding guide inside's suggestion for a slim but elegantly presented volume of Hugh Fitzgerald's Selected Thoughts on Islam.

I love to read. I have read all kinds of things - from Robert Burton's unexpurgated translation of the 1001 Nights, through to Das Kapital (about the most boring book I have ever read) to Tolstoy and Solzhenitsyn, Jane Austen and John Donne, and most of the Divina Commedia in the original Italian. I once took part in a marathon non-stop reading-aloud-in-relays of Homer's Iliad and Odyssey.

And as someone who has read quantities of good and bad writing in six different languages, I say with conviction : Hugh Fitzgerald, you are a VERY good writer.

Your writing here on this website has the exact same quality that C S Lewis saw in the essays of G K Chesterton - (I paraphrase): the glitter of the wit in the words is like the shimmer of the duellist's blade; it glitters because the duellist is fighting for his life and the sword is therefore moving very swiftly.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at August 23, 2007 12:39 AM