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"'I would like to say to the American people that Islam forbids killing innocent people,' said the seemingly deprogrammed al-Shayea through an interpreter."
"Seemingly deprogrammed" is good. Al-Shayea, like so many others, doesn't bother telling us whom he considers innocent. Unfortunately, some jihadists have said that no non-Muslims are innocent. For Al-Shayea to be truly "deprogrammed," he would need to be specific about non-Muslims being innocent.
From FoxNews (thanks to all who sent this in):
WASHINGTON — A new program in Saudi Arabia is offering young terrorists rehabilitation from a life of violence in the name of jihad. A Saudi government-sanctioned program to try to reverse the terrorist way of thinking has already begun to help some participants who have survived their own crimes.Ahmed al-Shayea, for instance, is recovering not only from being a member of Al Qaeda, but from the burns over most of his body and missing fingers that are the result of an attack he carried out three years ago in Baghdad.
Al-Shayea is the among the newest members to join hundreds of other Islamic fighters, including detainees released from Guantanamo Bay, at a halfway house located on the outskirts of the provincial capital of Al Janderea.
"I would like to say to the American people that Islam forbids killing innocent people," said the seemingly deprogrammed al-Shayea through an interpreter.
Al-Shayea had dreamed of being a suicide bomber like the ones he saw in Al Qaeda propaganda videos. He was unemployed, 19 years old and lured to Baghdad by a school friend. He nearly blew himself up while driving a tanker filled with explosives outside the Jordanian Embassy in Baghdad. The attack killed nine Iraqis.
He ratted out his Al Qaeda handlers, including the late Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who had flown al-Shayea and 23 other Saudis to Damascus, provided them safe houses in Syria and then smuggled them into Iraq.
"No doubt, they used me as a tool to kill innocent people," he said of his handlers.
Iraqi Muslims, Al-Shayea? Or non-Muslims?
Al-Shayea and other inmates say the Internet is much to blame for their indoctrination. Twenty-year-old Saddam Saleh said he got his fatwa, the religious edict that serves as marching orders, from a questionable cleric who he found over the Internet."That is what caused all this problem that I am in right now," he said.
The former jihadists are given a second chance through the three-year-old program sponsored by the Saudi interior ministry. During their recovery, the men stay in a rehabilitation center that looks more like a spa than a halfway house. The Saudi facility maintains a pool, a library, a volleyball court, gardens and other leisurely quarters.
Similar government-sponsored pilot programs are also being tried in Egypt and Yemen.
The staff uses art therapy, sports and reading to rehabilitate the "students" through a "12-step program." Among their lessons is a new education about Islam.
"We tell them that they should give the right picture of Islam. They should not kill or bomb or do anything against Islam," said Dr. Ahmad Hamad Jilan of the Saudi Ministry of Islamic Affairs.
Jilan and other instructors teach the inhabitants that jihad should not be waged against any non-Muslims with whom an Islamic nation has a truce or peace treaty. Jihad must also be approved, he said, by the state and by one's parents....
This leaves intact the possibility of jihad -- religious-based warfare -- against non-Muslims with whom there is no treaty, as long as it is approved by the state.
The halfway houses are designed to show the West as much as anyone that they are taking the problem seriously. So far, the effort is trickling down.
But is it really addressing the real problem?
Posted by Robert at August 22, 2007 8:03 AM
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"...join hundreds of other Islamic fighters, ..."
...and in Saudia Arabia...go figure...
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at August 22, 2007 8:23 AM
Note the complete lack of Google-able terms such that Average Joe cannot easily do any fact checking about the "success" of this program vis-à-vis the recidivism rate. What is the exact name of this program? This "new" three year program is supposed to have reintegrated numerous jihadis, yet no statistics are given. Are we to be led like lemmings to believe this has been 100% successful? Over what follow-up? How do they monitor outcome?
"Now they are in the universities. They are in jobs. They are married. Some of them even have children. So, this program has been successful in this area."
Oh, I get it now! They go to school, have jobs, marry and have children!! Problem solved. No jihadis do those kinds of things!
at August 22, 2007 8:31 AM
"We tell them that they should give the right picture of Islam. They should not kill or bomb or do anything against Islam," said Dr. Ahmad Hamad Jilan of the Saudi Ministry of Islamic Affairs. - JW
They teach'em 'not do anything against Islam' - that is exactly the root of the problem. If I were to ask any one fo the 1.19 Bill Mus, I am pretty confident that they will all say that Jihad against Infidels is the duty of Muslims. I guess Jihad is not against Islam. Those $s spent on rehabs, we are back to square one.
Why don't they teach'em simple facts like all human are to be regarded to have equal values hence enjoy your stay on this beautiful planet; Jihad against others is evil, because it is targeting innocent lives etc. That would never occur to Muslim because these things are so unIslamic, right?
Posted by: MusHuntCowboy at August 22, 2007 8:33 AM
I said no, no, no.
Yes I been black, but when I come back
You wont know, know, know.
I ain’t got the time
And if my daddy thinks im fine
He’s tried to make me go to rehab
I wont go, go, go.
I’d rather be at home with ray
I ain’t got 70 days
Cos there’s nothing, nothing you can teach me
That I can't learn from Mr. Hathaway
Didn’t get a lot in class
But I know it don’t come in a shot glass
They’re tryin to make me go to rehab
I said no, no, no
Yes I been black, but when I come back
You wont know, know, know.
I aint got the time,
And if my Daddy thinks im fine,
He’s tried to make me go to rehab,
I wont go, go, go.
The man said, why you think you here?
[ Rehab lyrics found on http://www.completealbumlyrics.com ]
I said, I got no idea
Im gonna, im gonna loose my baby
So I always keep a bottle near
Said, I just think you’re depressed
Kiss me, yeah baby
And go rest
I’m tryin to make me go to rehab
I said no, no, no
Yes I been black, but when I come back
You wont know, know, know
I don’t ever wanna drink again
I just, ooo, I just need a friend
Im not gonna spend 10 weeks
Have everyone think im on the mend
It’s not just my pride
It’s just til these tears have dried
They’re tryin to make me go to rehab
I said no, no, no
Yes I been black, but when I come back,
You wont know, know, know
I aint got the time,
And if my daddy thinks im fine
He’s trying to make me go to rehab
I wont go, go, go.
Posted by: KAOSKTRL
at August 22, 2007 9:04 AM
What a crock !
Saudi Arabia is the most toxic source of jihadism and must be neutralized.
That might require taking the oil away from them, and removing the "royal" family (and the Bin Laden family), and every last one of their mosques they funded in infidel lands.
The only good jihadi is a dead one.
Their funding source (Iran and Saud) and their "religious" source (mullahs and imams) must also be taken out.
Posted by: dgene at August 22, 2007 9:04 AM
Just what you need a bunch of Jihad mind killers all in one place hugging it out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD5sahXoj0U
at August 22, 2007 9:09 AM
The first and most important step would be to pass out copies of The New Testament.
Oops, forgot, it's banned in Saudi Jihadia...
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at August 22, 2007 9:12 AM
The stumbling block remains definition of the word "innocent."
For one interpretation of that word, see the video below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4&mode=related&search=
Posted by: Chatillon at August 22, 2007 9:13 AM
Shouldn't these programs be for Imams and other religious leaders in Saudi Arabia? Shouldn't Saudi schools be teaching the same thing to students -- that terrorism is sinful, and it's not likely that suicice bombers go to paradise?
Why wait until they arrest someone before enrolling them in the program?
The whole Saudi population should be enrolled.
Posted by: rational
at August 22, 2007 9:19 AM
The staff uses art therapy, sports and reading to rehabilitate the "students" through a "12-step program." Among their lessons is a new education about Islam.
A half way house and rehab center for terrorists?
This is a joke, it's another chapter in Islamic stage production taqiyya, a never ending saga.
A song and dance routine, shuckin and jivein, a little show for the folks, magick theater for mad men only...This farce is not the least bit legitimate, and is more of a R/R center for tired jihadists to rest up before returning to the battlefield. And just what 'new' education about Islam are they providing these 'students' with?
Something Allah approves of no doubt. And art? Keep em busy drawing geometric patterns, and they will forget about jihad. A never ending soccer game would do the same thing. A jihadist can't jihad, and play soccer at the same time. Problem solved...
at August 22, 2007 9:33 AM
The Koranic definition of what constitutes an innocent person makes Clinton's definition of the word "is" look brilliant by comparison. It might help if prominent holies sat down and gave us dumb infidels an official definition of what an innocent person is in their view but to do so would mean limits on the atrocities they could inflict upon us(i.e. waging jihad endlessly). Islamania works best when all the lines are blurred because then anything can be justified as needed on a case by case basis. And so the jihad never ends.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at August 22, 2007 9:50 AM
The foxes have secured the hen house!
The foxes have secured the hen house!
Everybody go back to sleep.
The foxes assure you there is nothing more to see here.
(Is "Wahhabi" Arabic for fox?)
Posted by: profitsbeard at August 22, 2007 10:01 AM
"That is what caused all this problem that I am in right now," he said.
No Al-Shayea, islam is what caused the problem.
So if everything "modern" is so evil, why are they giving their children the internet?
Posted by: walterc at August 22, 2007 10:26 AM
The Guirard/Waller school would have us believe that if we pretend Jihad is not Jihad, but rather, as the Saudis keep pushing them to believe and disseminate, "Irhaba" that all manner of things shall be well.
For, the Al-Saud whisper to us, we have had remarkable success in re-educating our own local Al-Qaada members. Why, just as soon as we manage to convince them that what Al Qaeda does here is called properly not "Jihad" but "Irhaba" why, they are ready to see the error of their past ways.
And this kind of thing becomes the subject of gushing reports on television -- just look at what those Saudis can do. Why, to see some of those commentators, one would think that Saudi Arabia should be put in charge of Guantanamo, and the re-education of those prisoners.
This shows the level of ignorance of Islam, among those who by this time should know better, should have learned something, like nothing else. What the Saudi authorities do, of course, is to attempt, using assorted members of the ulema (clergy), is to convince these disaffected Saudis that attacks by Muslims on a nice Muslim state, with such nice Muslim rulers as the beneficent Al-Saud, is just not halal, is "Irhaba" and that bad man Osama bin Laden, and his bad associate Ayman Al-Zawahiri, simply are wrong and deceitful to call it "Jihad."
For "Jihad" is what you conduct, by whatever means availalbe, to spread Islam in the lands of the Infidels. But Saudi Arabia is not a part of Dar al-Islam. Are not, those clerics say, the Al-Saud in general wise and benevolent rulers? Are they not, in truth, the Guardians of the Two Noble Sanctuaries, Mecca and Medina? Have they not spent tens of billions on the grand Grand Mosque of Mecca, and on improvements in facilities for pilgrims, and on airports and other means of transportation for those pilgrims? Does Saudi Arabia not spend billions -- up to one hundred billion dollars, in fact, over the past 20 or so years, on mosques and madrasas all over the world? Does it not spread propaganda, pay for missionaries to conduct Da'wa, buy up Western hirelings who are so effective in preventing real understanding, in the capitals of the West, of the true views and deep animus of Saudi Arabia, and of course at the same time workinig hard, those hirelings, to prevent any real understanding of Islam, and to keep the Western governments focussed on such things as the "plight of the 'Palestinians'" and how the resolution of that "plight" in a "two-state solution" (we know it is a "solution" because that is what it is called, so it must be) will lead to das ewige Fried, the Sweet Dream of Eternal Peace, in order both to further the Lesser Jihad against Israel (presented by those Western hirelings and collaborators and willing simpletons as merely a matter of clashing "nationalisms" instead of a war by Muslim Arabs, implacable and permanent, and unaffected by any Israeli surrenders or further shrinkage, against an Infidel state, on land that not only was once part of Dar al-Islam, but sits right in the middle of Dar al-Islam, and therefore has priority in the very large To-Do List of Muslims conducting Jihad, or supporting Jihad, everywhere.
The Saudis do not re-educate their prisoners to abandon Jihad. That is, they do nothing to get them to drop their desire to remove all obstacles to the spread of Islam. Quite the contrary. They explain that they themselves, the Al-Saud and the government of Saudi Arabia, have been mischaracterized, maligned, by Al Qaeda's leaders (Bin Laden, of course, has "issues" as the child by the polyphiloprogentiive father with a not-quite-fully-Arab Syrian mother, making him keen to prove that he could be "plus islamiste que les islamistes" (that is, those who are pure-bred Arabs, the best of people).
They do not attack Jihad. They merely have those clerics show that attacks on Muslims who are loyal and true to Islam -- and the Saudis are, they are, in the Jihad-supporting-and-promoting ways, which far outweigh their little peccadilloes at the gaming-tables and in the brothels of the West -- which, of course, they no doubt have those imams explain are merely "stories" concocted by vicious Bin Laden, nasty Al-Zawahiri).
The endless naivete, ignorance, hopefulness, sentimentalism, fleeing from reality, of our potlical class, all over the Western world, is surely the most striking feature of this, the intial stage of what will be not a "Long War" as the Administration likes to say, thinking how very tough-minded and realistic it is being, but rather, a war without end, a war that cannot end as long as the texts, and therefore the tenets, and the attitudes, of Islam remain, as remain tehy will. But it is a war in which the enemy can be reduced to a condition that renders it no longer so menacing, that puts it back, roughly, vis-a-vis the Infidel world, about where it was, say, in 1950, or 1930. The same duty of Jihad existed then as it does now, as it will in twenty years, or fifty, as it has existed for the entire life of Islam. But what was lacking was the wherewithal. It came, with those OPEC trillions, and those migrant Muslim millions.
Diminish those revenues. Force expenditures to go sky-high. Force the sharing of wealth, by rich Muslims, with poor Muslims, instead of supplying the latter with the disguised Jizyah of constant and very large amounts of Infidel foreign aid. Make the poorer Arabs and Muslims suitably apprised of, and resentful about, the fantastic wealth of, for example, the greedy and selfish Gulf Arabs.
And diminish that Muslim presence in the Infidel lands, as a matter of national security. For that large-scale presence clearly has created a sitatuion, all over Western Europe, that is far more unpleasant, expensive, and physically dangerous for the indigenous Infidels, and a threat to their political and legal institutions as well.
This is not very hard, one would think, to grasp. But apparently a great many people are having a great deal of trouble doing so -- the grasping, I mean. Well, they will just have to keep trying. And one good place to start is to see what is ludicrous about thinking that the Saudi government has managed to "de-program" those prisones to give up Jihad or their hostility and even murderous hatred for Infidels --that is, for you and for me. What they have managed to do is to get those prisoners to be "de-programmed" so that they are no longer going to regard the Al-Saud, for their corruption and Western decadence, as non-Muslims, but rather, will have learned anew about just what True-Blue Believes the Al-Saud princes and princelings and princelettes, all daggers and dishdashas and sneers of cold command, really are. And then they will change their attitude --but only toward the Saudis, not toward Infdiels. And so there is no lesson, no message of hope, that this program, with its art therapy and its sports, holds for Infidels.
For them, the Jihad marches on. La lutte continue.
at August 22, 2007 11:00 AM
This rehab program is little more than plausible deniability. Islamania poisoned these people's minds, they got caught following its injunctions and now it's time to pretend that these people acted on their own without direction from, and possibly even against, Koranic principles. Laughable to say the least. Unless this program teaches them that Islamania is a negative force in the world these people never will be rehabbed.
And we all know what the odds are on that happening.
at August 22, 2007 11:15 AM
In other words, a Saudi verson of the Betty Ford Clinic.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at August 22, 2007 11:33 AM
Hugh,
What the Saudis are doing here is trying to tell us kafars that there is no jihad or jihadis to see, move on.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at August 22, 2007 11:36 AM
Activities at Saudi Youth Rehab Facility:
...contests to see who can assemble , while blindfolded, an AK47 in the shortest time...
...contests to guess which man in a burka is the real unit leader....
...geography tests to see who knows where, on the Iraq map, the US bases are located...
...skill and coordination activities in assembling IEDs....
...quality time on the firing ranges...
...verbal instruction on how to tell a believable lie....
...King Faud admiration sessions....
...instruction on the proper wearing of the Iraqi police uniforms....
...instruction on land navigation skills
...practice in how to throw a really wild protest march, complete with flag burning and effigy burning....
...instruction on how to bribe your way into "secure zones"
and so much more.....
at August 22, 2007 2:09 PM
But Saudi Arabia is our friend, even though Bin Laden is and 15 out of 19 9/11 hijackers were Saudis, according to Bush. But Iraq was behind 9/11, according to Bush. So to prevent another 9/11, we had to start this crummy war in Iraq. We would be better off if we simply turned off immigration from all Muslim countries and banned Saudi money for US mosques.
Posted by: Dumbo at August 22, 2007 2:20 PM
"Al-Shayea and other inmates say the Internet is much to blame for their indoctrination."
equals
"The West invented the Internet. So West wanted us to be indoctrinated. So we became terrorists. So the Wes is to blame. Let's wage Jihad against the West! Blow them up! "
at August 22, 2007 2:42 PM
Oh, I like the statement
"...I got my fatwq...from a questionable cleric..."
In the west we have dirty old men talking it up to young girls about sex.
In the east we have dirty old clerics talking it up to young boys about blowing themselves for sex.
Proverbs 6:26
For a prostitute will bring you to poverty, and sleeping with another man's wife may cost you your very life.
at August 22, 2007 4:47 PM
Corrections
...young boys about blowing up themselves for sex.
at August 22, 2007 4:48 PM
I saw this "rehab" on FNC this morning, looks like a resort spa to me.
Posted by: interestinconundrum at August 22, 2007 4:57 PM
It's good to know that a muslim can kill NINE people and get a second chance.....because he was caught.
I am sure all of our soldiers in prison who did what they did out of fear or from being fed up are sure to applaud yet more special treatment for muslims.
I don't believe this guy has changed one bit and i wouldn't believe saudi Arabia ever.
I think we are about to see the Hudna before the storm.
Posted by: Dar al-harb at August 22, 2007 5:30 PM
Chatillon -
That is an excellant video.
Everytime I see that 'no innocent shall be killed' I remember what that muslim said.
I wonder if that video will be on CNN's God's Warriors program tonight?
Posted by: Borg at August 22, 2007 6:07 PM
Islam will NEVER stop killing non-Muslims. And Muslims are not going to stop lying to us about this either. Everybody needs to get over this!
Despite its claims to the contrary, Islam is derived from Babylonian-Mesopotamian fertility and human sacrifice sects and killing of human beings ('sacrifices') was the core of these religious practices and after 4000 years or so years these are unlikely to be discontinued now.
Posted by: pythagoras at August 22, 2007 7:44 PM
For those “Muslims” who are sick of their disgusting cult and would like to come out of their closet as ex-Muslims there is help from
THE ANNUAL INTERNATIONAL ISLAM APOSTASY DAY
http://www.sioeengland.blogspot.com/
Posted by: FM at August 22, 2007 7:54 PM
This story was broadcast on NBC Nightly News, I believe, a few months ago. I sent the link in to JW/DW, but it slipped under the radar. I know, I know, you guys have a stack of things to do. Still, I'm glad Fox is on the story, finally. (If I had cable, I'd watch FNC, but then I'd have missed this interesting story.)
Posted by: Surak at August 22, 2007 8:40 PM
I don't think Saudi Arabia, centerpiece of Wahhabism, is the best place to have a "de-programming" center.
Of course, it's different if by "de-programming" one means "bettering oneself at taqqiya".
Posted by: Gungnir at August 23, 2007 3:52 AM
Go to Saudi Jail, memorize the Koran, you are "rehabiitated" and you get out. Nothing new here, just retraining Jihadi's for a different mission.
What bothers me more than this is the fact that the Saudi Government is Transplanting their State Religion in other Countries, ie USA. They build the Mosque, provide the clerics and support for the mosque. Go to the Saudi Embassy website and request your "free" approved English translation version of the Koran.
While it is a Constitutional violation for the Government to establish Religion. A blind eye is turned when a Foreign Government is actively doing just that unrestrained and openly. While the stock argument that gets chirped out to this argument is always the "Freedom of Speech" and "Freedom of Religion" it is mindboggling to understand how anyone of miniscule intellect does not see the reality of the Crime being committed.
Anyway, there is little doubt (at least in my mind) that some of these fine Jihadi's who have proven their worth on the field of battle, through the intervention of Allah will end up as fine upstanding Imams running Mosques across the world funded by the Govt of Islam.
at August 23, 2007 11:03 AM
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