An encouraging aspect of this story is that Razia Hussain, who I presume to be a Muslim, testified against this would be jihadist/suicide bomber.

Cheers,

Posted by: Mr. Arbroath at August 23, 2007 5:57 PM

Siddique is in obvious need of a "Glasgow Kiss"!

Posted by: MP at August 23, 2007 5:57 PM

I find it so funny when I hear these western useful idiots (some where on here in other posts cursing jihadwatch posters) who think fundamentalists in other religions (like jewish or christian) are the same as Islamic.

yeah I regularly hear of roman catholics training for jihad

and evangelicals crashing airplanes into mecca

and orthodox shooting poor innocent muslim imams.

pulleeeease you western idiot types give it a rest!

I have an exmuslim friend from Turkey who laughs when he reads western liberals. "the first ones whose heads would be cut off after their help was accepted in forwarding a caliphate" he told me.

oy.

Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at August 23, 2007 6:01 PM

An encouraging aspect of this story is that Razia Hussain, who I presume to be a Muslim, testified against this would be jihadist/suicide bomber.

Cheers,
Posted by: Mr. Arbroath

This could also be a case of a woman scorned. I know chicks do crazy shyt in the West in some cases. I am certain the MoFoe babes are even worse when it comes to scorned lover's revenge.

Not saying anything one way or the other, but they need to trace this guys intenet activities to make sure..

On the npr alert.. oh well I should probably put this on the dhimmiwatch side of things.. cya over there..

Posted by: Allahfanculo at August 23, 2007 6:05 PM

Sorry I have to post this link on here too..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/worldhaveyoursay/2007/08/is_london_the_best_role_model_1.html

They're having a CONTEST over which city is the most dhimmified.

Unbefreakin'-lievable!

This needs to be on LGF but I can't post on there.

Posted by: Allahfanculo at August 23, 2007 6:18 PM

Here's a very refreshing Post from a Man Who Gets It on the BBC website. Let me reproduce it here just in case the Boob.. er the Beeb remove it.

* VictorK wrote:

I think the question takes a lot for granted, namely that multiculturalism is in itself a good thing. I happen to think not, and so don't think London or any other city can be a good role model for multiculturalism.

I believe that multiculturalism, at least when it becomes excessive, leads to Balkanisation, inter-ethnic hostility and conflict, a loss of identity, and the destruction of the sense of being members of one community. Cities like London whose population hails from a variety of backgrounds ought to re-double their efforts to ensure that everyone participates in a common, unitary national (British) identity, not encourage division and mutual enmity by promoting multiculturalism.

All of the cities wrongheadedly vying for the title of 'most multicultural' are in the West. A more interesting question would have been why is the multicultural phenomenon exist only in the West? Also, why does the UN constantly promote and celebrate multiculturalism in the Western world, while remaining silent about its absence, or even suppression, in the non-Western world? The UN has, for example, been pressing the Greek government to agree to the construction of a mosque in Athens, something that the Greeks have now ~(unfortunately) agreed to. It has never, to my knowledge, issued a syllable of disagreement in relation to Saudi Arabia's blanket ban on Churches, temples, synagogues etc in its territory. What's going on? Is multiculturalism only good enough to be inflicted on some of us on this planet?

Multiculturalism is an experiment that has failed. We should stop clinging to its corpse and renew our faith in more traditional ideas of community and nationhood.

--- VERY WELL STATED INDEED!

Posted by: Allahfanculo at August 23, 2007 6:22 PM

"The best laid schemes o' mice an' men" (and jihadis) " Gang aft a-gley"

Posted by: profitsbeard at August 23, 2007 6:29 PM

See also:

(UK) Scotland: Terror trial hears threat claims -- Mohammed Atif Siddique threatened to "blow up Glasgow"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/tayside_and_central/6960285.stm

(UK) Scotland: Terror trial student was a model high school pupil, court is told
http://news.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=1335972007

(UK) Scotland: Muslim warns of Scotland's 'home-grown' terror threat
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1335502007

(UK) Scotland: Student terrorism trial date set -- Mohammed Atif Siddique in Glasgow charged with possession of bomb making instructions, the use of various weapons systems, terrorist training camp information
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/6525961.stm

Posted by: jeffreyimm at August 23, 2007 6:31 PM

I've just tossed a grenade in there (although it meets all the 'house rules'). It'll still get snipped by some Tarquin from Hampstead, though. :rolleyes:

Posted by: Un:dhimmi at August 23, 2007 6:32 PM

This asshole needs to be buried under the jail. I hope he is introduced to some jailbirds who aren't Muslims who will convey to him everybody's dislike of being threatened by these jerks. Bust his head, boys !

Posted by: Hebrew Handyman at August 23, 2007 6:42 PM

When the soccer hooligans are finished with him, he will be praying to Allah for his own death.

Posted by: awake at August 23, 2007 6:46 PM

Hmmmm. Glasgow, eh?
Isn't that district covered at least in part by such now-exposed-as-quisling george galloway?
Gee...what a coincidence!
lol

Posted by: jcom972 at August 23, 2007 6:57 PM

Folks, don't let David Mathews, a wolf in sheep's clothing, get away with lies about Robert Spencer:

On the comments threads under Robert Spencer's article over at Pajamas Media, a sociopath commenting as "David Mathews" -- I think he's the felonious phony "Rev" Jim Sutter -- is savaging Robert Spencer as the equivalent of Osama Bin Laden, talking as if Spencer agreed with the KKK, asserting that Spencer intends for huge numbers of Muslims to die, and saying all sorts of other lies in a glib manner full of pseudo-facts that may succeed in persuading the innocent who happen by the Pajamas Media site.

I'm convinced that Mathews is deliberately and consciously lying about Spencer in order to discredit him with anyone happening by the Pajamas Media site. Mathews, I believe, has a hidden motive: either he is a paid shill for CAIR or Saudi Arabia or the like; or as a sociopath, he gets pleasure out of a manipulative game.

Posted by: traeh at August 23, 2007 7:49 PM

traeh, whenever a loon starts the nazi, facist, KKK, etc comparisons - I yawn. It is the same old left wing kook rants. They have absolutely nothing else - no knowledge, no abilty to reason, nothing. It gets really boring with them.

Or the one word/phrase rants that they think should suffice to justify their position, some of the more popular, 'Bush lied people died', Rove, Halliburton, KKKristians, blah blah blah. They are sooooo boring that it would be funny except that they actually have followers and their hatred is so real that if there is reason - they will put America in jeopardy in order to get their way.

Posted by: R_not at August 23, 2007 8:05 PM

jcom972 - "Gorgeous" George's website claims that he is the member representing Bethnal Green and Bow which I believe is in London. Galloway is however of Scottish origin. He is a daft shite, but I did enjoy his appearance in the U.S. Senate a while back, where he ripped a few Senators, so used to deference in their own chamber, a new one.

Posted by: MP at August 23, 2007 8:30 PM

Speaking of jihadist trials, Rush Limbaugh said that the prosecuting attorney in the blind sheik case researched the quran to show that it didn't contain violent exhortations. Apparently this prosecutor was schooled in a major way.

Posted by: CapitalistGig at August 23, 2007 8:36 PM

No, this isn't the Scotland of Robert Burns.
I get Auld Lang Xiety just thinking about it.
I wonder if haggis is haram or halal? Can the men still wear kilts, or are they immodest and will they have to switch to burqas once Sharia is imposed?

Posted by: jewdog at August 23, 2007 9:10 PM

As Mr. Arbroath points out above, a reassuring aspect is that Ms. Hussain testified against Siddique. In my opinion this highlights a real dilemma of Western countries, many [most?] Muslims do come to Western countries to build better freer lives. Yet at the same time, many do not and others turn to the violent and hateful aspects of Islam when their dreams of a better life do not live up to exaggerated expectations. So the question becomes how we can aide those Muslims who genuinely want the kinds of freedoms that the West takes for granted without falling prey to the Muslims who either come to Western countries only pretending to want to build a better life or who attack society because their lives in the West fall short of idyllic bliss? Western countries' acceptance of immigrants wanting better lives have more often than not been a source of strength and yet a balance must be struck for the sake of reasonable safety.

Posted by: MosheC at August 23, 2007 9:12 PM

Traeh,

I fully concur with your analysis on David Mathews. the "rev" Jim appears to have many aliases.

Posted by: awake at August 23, 2007 9:18 PM

As Mr. Arbroath points out above, a reassuring aspect is that Ms. Hussain testified against Siddique. In my opinion this highlights a real dilemma of Western countries, many [most?] Muslims do come to Western countries to build better freer lives. Yet at the same time, many do not and others turn to the violent and hateful aspects of Islam when their dreams of a better life do not live up to exaggerated expectations. So the question becomes how we can aide those Muslims who genuinely want the kinds of freedoms that the West takes for granted without falling prey to the Muslims who either come to Western countries only pretending to want to build a better life or who attack society because their lives in the West fall short of idyllic bliss? Western countries' acceptance of immigrants wanting better lives have more often than not been a source of strength and yet a balance must be struck for the sake of reasonable safety.

Posted by: MosheC at August 23, 2007 9:18 PM

Where is the brave Scotsmen who would trash this imbecile with his fists and toss him in a heap. l hope when this little piece of work gets jailed he will be cowering from tough love of a true Scotsmen!

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at August 23, 2007 9:20 PM

Traeh,

I fully concur with your assesment of the David Mathews, AKA, lothianburn who posts at FPM, and the "rev" Jim Sutter who briefly appeared here at JW, as one in the same.

I call him out on it regularly. He never responds to my posts. He linked "rev" Jim's site once on a post on FPM. Ooops, on his part.

So be it. Good advice going forward is to not feed that troll, unless of course you have some free time on your hands, which or course you do, but are spending it elsewhere, on a much more noble endeavor.

For others who are not familiar. Google: exposing + jim + sutter + blogspot, and read on. There is an excellent article on this uneducated lackey yesterday here at JW I believe as well. Glen's dissemination is long, but worth a read, in my opinion.

Regards,

awake

Posted by: awake at August 23, 2007 9:29 PM

awake-

Apparently this "lothianburn" (which sounds painful.... I wouldn't want my 'lothian' burned) loves Ann Coulter, too.

Posted by: profitsbeard at August 23, 2007 10:48 PM

"It ain't the Scotland of Robert Burns anymore."

It certainly ain't the Scotland of William Wallace or Robert the Bruce.

Dario Franchitti is the son of Italian immigrants to Scotland. He calls himself a Scotsman, sounds like a Scotsman, and reveres Jim Clark. Dammit, he is a Scotsman. Will Muslims ever call themselves Scotsmen, ever have a Scottish accent? Will they ever know who Jim Clark was? No, their goal is destruction of everything we hold dear and erasing Western history and accomplishment.

Time's a wastin'.

Posted by: Pelayo at August 23, 2007 11:15 PM

profitsbeard,

Apparently that was tongue-in-cheek. lothianburn is against hate in all forms, with the noted exception of his hate towards Robert Spencer.

OT

I just watched God's Warriors (part 3 Christianity)

All I can say is that Amanpour failed miserably in her attempt to show reilgious moral equivalence between the three faiths of Christianity, Judaism and Isalm.

bwahahahahahaha! That was quite embarassing, to Ms. Amanpour specifically.

A must see for all, if you can manage. I for one admit that I was expecting exactly what Hugh said it would be...a whitewashing of Islam to declare religious moral equivalency amongst the three ideologies.

All I got, with specific notation to episode three, is that Jews and Christians have "broken shoelace" issues, while the bloody cult of Islam can be cured by nothing less than utter abolition of the faith itself.

Posted by: awake at August 23, 2007 11:42 PM

Do any of you catch yourself thinking at times that Islam isn't all that threatening after all because it seems to be the religion of losers and dopes? This story from Scotland is a good example here and every month there are others like this one. I don't want to become falsely optimistic, but Muslims are so clearly inferior, and in so many ways, that I can't help but wonder if we fear the idiots more than we need to.

Posted by: Wellington at August 23, 2007 11:43 PM

Wellington,

Islam is more dangerous than a woman scorned. You have been warned.

Posted by: awake at August 23, 2007 11:45 PM

This is off topic, but I never got a response from the sow of a woman in charge of RACHELS TAVERN.COM
She is a coward and responded only to her friends and ignored me.
I guess that comment on ignoring islamic threats and their daily abuse of women left her no where to go.
Leftists deal only with theories and can not debate facts or history.
She is probably too busy sliding TWINKIES down her throat 4 at a time.

Posted by: Hungarian Crusader at August 24, 2007 12:04 AM

Hungarian,

Rachel Sullivan from the tavern is a leftist who censors and bans all comments contrary to her own moderation rules. She does not encourage debate or opinions that differ from her own. She is most assuredly voting for Hillary in 2008.

I thought about e-mailing her directly to point this out, but decided to slam my hand in my car door for quicker and better results.

Posted by: awake at August 24, 2007 12:10 AM

@MosheC
So the question becomes how we can aide those Muslims who genuinely want the kinds of freedoms that the West takes for granted without falling prey to the Muslims who either come to Western countries only pretending to want to build a better life or who attack society because their lives in the West fall short of idyllic bliss?

I am going to suggest something very drastic. First to counter the spiritual hold they need to understand the true and living God, Jesus Christ. Without preaching to much, John (an apostle of Jesus) said, "I have written these things that you may know that you have (not wish or hope) eternal life." They need to come away from the lost and hopeless teachings of the moon god AKA Allah.

At the social level they need to become active citizens of the country they live in. Adapt the culture and work to improve it. They will probably be shuned by the Muslim community, if not they should get away from the influence that it has on them.

Their changed lives might have an influence on others. Even those that are here for no good. God has the power to take what was intended for evil and working it for good.

Posted by: Im.mad.as.HELL! at August 24, 2007 12:39 AM

MosheC:

In response.

"So the question becomes how we can aide those Muslims who genuinely want the kinds of freedoms that the West takes for granted without falling prey to the Muslims who either come to Western countries only pretending to want to build a better life or who attack society because their lives in the West fall short of idyllic bliss?"

When those that want that freedom, proclaim it from the rooftops. They stand up to the bully pulpit and do not flinch. They look into the eye of that, that inflicts them, and says nay. Not until then. I do not hope that you will live forever; even then...without reform...you won't see it. Sorry.

Posted by: breezy55 at August 24, 2007 12:57 AM

Why don't these guys just get along? And why is there no mechanism for dealing definitively with people who are jihadis or jihadi-sympathizers? Jail? Not an appropriate or effective deterrent to future actions. They may seem stupid one day, but the next, with just an ounce more of knowledge, they may be deadly. It does not take intelligence to destroy. Just will and some minimal knowledge and planning.

There needs to be a mechanism for dealing with jihadis, even incompetent ones. Life in jail without any possibility of parole or release and absolute isolation from others? Perhaps. Some kind of deprogramming with life-long monitoring? Deportation? (With the porous borders the West seems to willingly - because holes could be closed if the will were there - may not be effective.)

But something beyond the status quo needs to be done. Guantanamo is a good idea, since, short of execution (a la Saddam Hussein), what is the West to do? There has to be a place to detain the most dangerous Islamist terrorists without the abuses of our silly legal defense system. It's just too easy to get off for murder (like O.J.) or terrorism with a good defense lawyer, the right pliable judge and a dumb jury.

So what is the answer?

Posted by: Wimbledon Womble at August 24, 2007 1:07 AM

WW:

The answer is what we do not want. We don't want genocide. We don't want the horror of WWII or even WWI. We seek a rational solution. We seek to integrate said population into the mix; don't we? Do they? Some, to an extent. I depends on what continent
we speak of. In America, it seems that they do want to integrate. The home grown incidents are few and far between. When it does happen, it seems to be foreign born, for the most part. In Europe, it seems more aggressive and the respective governments are not responsive.

Perhaps, it's a local issue. If you can't clean your own toilet, then don't ask me to do it.

Posted by: breezy55 at August 24, 2007 1:33 AM

What seems interesting here is that Razia Hussain's word would not have been accepted in a Sharia court unless she had another witness. Coming into a Western court and offering testimony she took a really gigantic step away from Islamic female bondage. Good on her, and lets hope it becomes an example for more Muslim women. After all they are half of Islam, and they are inhumanly suppressed under Islam. This half could lead the way to a humanist Islam, given the opportunity under Western laws. It is a small chance, but maybe there is a chance there.

Breezy 55: "...we seek a rational solution.." I would like to commend to you Lee Harris' new book, "The Suicide of Reason, Radical Islam's Threat to the West".

Harris argues that the West, composed of rational actors, supposes Islam to also consist of rational actors, whereas Islam is basically a fanatical "artificial tribe" that eschews rationality. A rational actor will not commit suicide for his cause, whereas a tribal actor will forfeit his life for his tribe's "shaming codes", in this case suicide for the "cause of Allah".

Posted by: Jimmy Bones at August 24, 2007 3:34 AM

Wellington,
The study of Muslims should be called moronology. The worst part about Islam is that there are so many people dumb enough to follow it. It's main ethic seems to be: follow, don't think. If I started a religion, I'd leave the violence out of it and just have people mail me checks, though then it wouldn't be as exciting.
Years ago I toured Scotland by bike, starting in Glasgow. Beautiful country and friendly, civilized people. I hope it stays that way, but I doubt it.

Posted by: jewdog at August 24, 2007 5:35 AM

"Ms Hussain told the court that one image showed a dead man with a smile on his face"

...that was because he finally achieved happiness as a Muslim.....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at August 24, 2007 6:37 AM

Hungarian Crusader o/T, l had asked this Rachael's Tavern if she cared about "women's rights" in the ME, like all leftist they bail out when they percieve your picking on a victim, ie muslims. where are these true liberals and feminists?

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at August 24, 2007 6:59 AM

All humans created stories to explain things, in a primitive past. It may feel risky and subversive, but Muslim youth should consider the bigger picture. Ancient Muslim tribes built their tradition and culture around stories, but there is no evidence of the existence of Allah. Allah is a character in a fictional Islamic narrative. Ancient texts suggest Muhammad was influential in his time, but a prophet is a fictional character. Eternal reward for Jihad, is also part of a fictional Islamic narrative. A jihadist will fully terminate his life, if he is killed, while killing in the name of Islam. Death is non-fiction.

Posted by: SFOD at August 24, 2007 8:19 AM

* VictorK wrote:

"I think the question takes a lot for granted, namely that multiculturalism is in itself a good thing. I happen to think not, and so don't think London or any other city can be a good role model for multiculturalism."

Good post!
Multiculturalism, diversity, inclusion, are dogmas that have been so throughly pounded into the brains of the American public these last couple generations, that a large segment of the population seems convinced that we cannot be a happy or complete nation without them.

The truth is that these dogmas are largely responsible for wrecking the educational system in our country by distorting objective truth in favor of a curriculum based on the absolute necessity of insuring that everyone feels "included." If that means demonizing Western civilizing and culture, and glorifying second and third rate civilizations and cultures, so be it.

Even the Federal courts in our country will lay aside the Constitution in favor of arguments that diversity is so important to our happiness as a nation, and so vital to educating our young people, that the constitution is a secondary consideration in their rulings.

If we wish to save our civilization and culture, the value of the the Multiculturalism, diversity, inclusion dogmas to our nation must be debunked once and for all, and their inherent destructiveness must be realized by all.

Posted by: rational at August 24, 2007 8:36 AM

"“How this is right and should be done because we are Muslims.
“Mohammed said that as Muslims we should commit Jihad.”

......this is evidence that western governments foreign policies have nothing to do with Islamic terrorism......

Ban Muslim Immigration

Posted by: exsgtbrown at August 24, 2007 9:01 AM

@Wellington: "... but Muslims are so clearly inferior, and in so many ways, that I can't help but wonder if we fear the idiots more than we need to."

But through Islamic indoctrination Muslims believe that they are, in fact, superior in every way. They are taught that they must fight from now until Doomsday to right the "injustice" of their backward situation. That makes them textbook psychopaths. They see reality clearly, but they are hell bent determined to overturn it by any means, including through violence and destruction of every kind.

As one of the posters above pointed out, destruction of civilization takes only the smallest fraction of the effort, and only the smallest fraction of the intelligence, compared to the amount required for building it up.

In Western civilization, the heroes are the dedicated folks who go to work every day and strive to do their best at their occupation, and who typically share their knowledge, their time, and part of their hard won bounty, in order to make their small piece of the planet better. In Islamic "civilization," the heroes are those who strive to destroy the civilization created by the "other," and who then distribute the loot--confiscated from the deceived and conquered "other"--exclusively amongst their Islamic brethren. The distinct advantage of the Islamic enterprise is that they don't need much energy or thought to accomplish their goals.

So the pious Muslims are not just idiots--they are supremely dangerous psychopathic idiots.

Posted by: Stendec at August 24, 2007 10:52 AM

I did sent a last NASTY e-mail to WRETCHEDRACHELSTAVERN.COM and it felt good.
She wont respond, ask my questions about womens rights in the islamic world, or anything else.
A Hungarian ghoulsh poop on her LEFTIST head.
She wont hear from me anymore.

The lesson here is LEFTISTS do not offer answers or solutions to any problems.....only criticisms of others trying to improve the world.

Posted by: Hungarian Crusader at August 24, 2007 12:53 PM

Well, look on the bright side: The Scots can feed the jihadis to "Nessie!"

Posted by: pythagoras at August 24, 2007 2:17 PM

"Ms Hussain told the court that one image showed a dead man with a smile on his face"

...that was because he finally achieved happiness as a Muslim.....

Posted by: exsgtbrown

I would love to see that shit eating grin on all the jihadis faces.

Ban Muslim immigration now! Support Muslim emmigration now!

Posted by: TexasInfidel at August 24, 2007 3:42 PM

Will burkas in each clans Plaid be all the rage? God forbid!

Where is Mel Gibson when you need a Scot to bend over and show his arse to the approaching hoard?

Posted by: guide inside at August 25, 2007 7:22 AM

"Asked by Mr McConnachie what Jihad meant she answered: “To go and blow yourself up.”

Well, here's hoping that Siddique blows HIMSELF up. Just as long as no one else gets hurt. Matter of fact, I think Scotland oughta help the little turd along. Strap a bomb to his worthless ass, drop him off in the remote highlands and blast him to hell by remote. Problem solved.

Posted by: SFCMAC at August 25, 2007 11:28 AM

"Asked by Mr McConnachie what Jihad meant she answered: “To go and blow yourself up.”

Well, here's hoping that Siddique blows HIMSELF up. Just as long as no one else gets hurt. Matter of fact, I think Scotland oughta help the little turd along. Strap a bomb to his worthless ass, drop him off in the highlands somewhere and blast him to hell by remote. Problem solved.

Posted by: SFCMAC at August 25, 2007 11:29 AM

Wake up Scotland!! The bagpipers should be marching up and down the street outside that courthouse in Glasgow playing the Call to Arms. The church bells should be ringing. The heather should be burning on the hilltops.

Time for a Gathering of the Clans.

Borderers, Lowlanders, Highlanders, Islanders - all you descendants of some of the wildest warriors, descendants of Covenanters and heirs of John Knox, descendants of Catholics who suffered for the faith under the heel of the English, distant nephews of men who fought at Bannockburn and Culloden and Flodden Field...sons of the Highland Regiment heroes of World War One and World War Two - wake up! The Saracens, the Moors, the Turks are even now within the gate; the Mohammedans are plotting war and death in Royal Edinburgh and Stirling itself.

Here's a grand poem from Sir Walter Scott to get the ball rolling.

PIBROCH of Donuil Dhu,
Pibroch of Donuil,
Wake thy wild voice anew,
Summon Clan Conuil.
Come away, come away, 5
Hark to the summons!
Come in your war-array,
Gentles and commons.

Come from deep glen, and
From mountain so rocky; 10
The war-pipe and pennon
Are at Inverlocky.
Come every hill-plaid, and
True heart that wears one;
Come every steel blade, and 15
Strong hand that bears one.

Leave untended the herd,
The flock without shelter;
Leave the corpse uninterr'd,
The bride at the altar; 20
Leave the deer, leave the steer,
Leave nets and barges:
Come with your fighting gear,
Broadswords and targes.

Come as the winds come when 25
Forests are rended,
Come as the waves come when
Navies are stranded:
Faster come, faster come,
Faster and faster, 30
Chief, vassal, page, and groom,
Tenant and master.

Fast they come, fast they come—
See how they gather!
Wide waves the eagle plume 35
Blended with heather.
Cast your plaids, draw your blades,
Forward each man set!
Pibroch of Donuil Dhu,
Knell for the onset!

PS - Perhaps any Scotsmen lurking here might consider sending Mr McConachie, QC, the following items, post haste: Islam 101 from this website, and three books by Robert Spencer - The PIG to Islam and the Crusades; The Truth About Muhammad; and Religion of Peace? Bookmarks pre-inserted at all the really good bits. He could also, of course, as a legal man, be referred to that very telling book, 'Reliance of the Traveller', to get an idea of the true extent of the bottomless barbarity of Islamic Law.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at August 25, 2007 7:29 PM

www.guardiansofscotland.org.uk

www.guardiansofscot.forumarena.com/

We are here but as yet you have not got word of us. So if its a gathering of the Clans or Scots , then come and help us.

WE ARE NOT ASLEEP

Posted by: Braveheart at August 26, 2007 9:03 AM

To Braveheart

good to hear from you. I hope you didn't feel I was casting aspersions on Scottish courage and awareness of the Jihad threat.

(I'm half-Scots myself: father's mother born at Crianlarich, mother's father born in Australia to Scots couple from Glasgow who migrated to Australia in the 1880s. So I prick up my ears when I encounter articles like the one currently under discussion, since it concerns the land of my ancestors).

Seriously, I think folks who post and lurk here at jihadwatch - especially those of us with Scotland in our near ancestry - would very much like to hear occasional updates on what is being done 'on the ground' in Scotland, by way of protest against creeping sharia, and Robert-Spencer-style awareness raising about the danger of Islam.

Do you have something planned for September 11th - or perhaps for the anniversary of the Lockerbie bombing?

Perhaps not just Mr McConachie QC but also each acknowledged Clan Chieftain and each Scots Parliamentarian needs to be personally presented, by clansmen or by constituents as appropriate, with one or more of Mr Spencer's indispensable books.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at August 26, 2007 7:56 PM

It ain't the Scotland of Robert Burns anymore.

It is, you know. Remember Burns said:
"Liberty's in every blow!
Let us do or die!"

But then, he also accused us of being an idiot race (and perhaps we are):
"An idiot race to honour lost,
Who know them best, despise them most."

But Burns died in 1796 so how can we expect that he would have anything relevant to say to us today? Perhaps he might have something to say about the human condition but he could never have foreseen the threat that the muslims would pose to his world and our world and how they would reject the enlightenment:

"Then gently scan your brother man,
Still gently sister woman;
Tho' they may gang a kennin wrang,
To step aside is human"
is also one of his verses. He lived in a different world!

Posted by: Jonathan Ralbrooke at August 26, 2007 11:39 PM

dumbledoresarmy/

...descendants of Covenanters and heirs of John Knox...

Please no, oh please God, no. NO!

Descendants of bloody terrorists and an intellectually sub-normal, pseudo-Christian half-wit. I hope not!

My Scottish Episcopal and Roman Catholic friends would be deeply, deeply offended by this caricature of Scottish history and your glorification of those whose only desire was the persecution of the One True Faith.

Knox the Destroyer (the Damned) held up as an example that they, and, by implication, we, should follow. I rather think not!

I, like many others, thank God that he, Knox, suffers in the deepest levels of Hell today - a position that he was consigned to by God's vicar on Earth.

Posted by: Jonathan Ralbrooke at August 26, 2007 11:54 PM

And Morton said of Knox, and never was a more revealing and evil word said, "Here lyeth a man who in his life never feared the face of man, who hath been often threatened with dagge and dagger, but yet hath ended his dayes in peace and honour."

Peace and honour be damned! Hated, loathed, despised and vilified by all those in this Kingdom who followed, and, to this day, follow, the One True Faith - that's Knox's legacy. He was and is nothing more, along with Luther, Calvin and Zwingli, than a damned, quite literally, member of a hated and feared terrorist organistaion. Hated and reviled by all true Scots and English who know their Christology and despised by them, him and his ilk are reviled for their ignorance and stupidity that they so aptly demonstrated in their lives; he is reviled and damned into Hell by us and by our leaders and by the One True Catholic and Christian Church.

Thank God, no-one takes them or their messages of hate and their puerile take on God's World seriously today. Damned they are and damned they will always be! No amount of re-writing of history will ever suffice to cleanse them or their name, thank God.

Posted by: Jonathan Ralbrooke at August 27, 2007 12:37 AM

Jonathan -

Please remember: the Mohammedans really do not care about our little internal disagreements. Whether we're Catholics, Lutherans, Calvinists, French Reformed, Nonconformists, Pentecostals, Anglicans, Eastern Orthodox, we all call Jesus 'Son of God'. That, in their eyes, makes us polytheists, unfit to live.

What matters is that Scotland should be able to resist creeping Islamisation - or outright jihad attacks.

Stirring up the bitter old hatreds and divisions - Scots vs. English, Highlanders vs. Lowlanders, Catholic vs. Anglican vs. Presbyterian - will not help.

For your information: I, and both my parents, were baptised Presbyterian; while my mother's mother's grandfather was a Lutheran pastor, and his daughter married a Danish Lutheran. Presumably you regard all these people - e.g. my dear deceased mother, who was full of faith and love, and taught me to pray and to read the Bible and to recite John 3: 16, or my father's mother, a sweet lady who loved to sing "What a Friend We Have in Jesus" - as the evil spawn of evil heretics, fit only for hellfire. (Let us charitably forget that the sins of the Catholics against the Protestants were at least as many and as cruel as the sins of the Protestants against the Catholics...). Of course I have Irish Catholic, English Anglican, and English Methodist ancestors as well...quite a mishmash.

Enough. Back to topic. Let us devoutly hope that Judge McConachie and every other Scot in that courtroom in Glasgow are taking the trouble to read the Qur'an and to find out why exactly the Muslims are so eager to wage war on the Infidel. Are any letters to that effect, appearing in The Scotsman? I think I will have to follow the link and check.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at August 28, 2007 2:05 AM

Agreed, we have to work with what we have in common not what we differ on. As Scots blood flows in you both, can you help us here.

www.guardiansofscotland.org.uk

come to the forum and post articles of related interest and concern...we need your intelligent input.

oh, and spread the word to any related persons we are all family here and need each other.

Help us with your knowledge
kind regards

Braveheart

Posted by: Braveheart at August 28, 2007 5:57 AM