What is an Islamist media? Is this something new?

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at August 27, 2007 6:09 PM

So if we were to move, say 100,000 troops from Iraq to Afghanistan and start a major offensive to the East, and India does the same moving West, then we could meet up somewhere in Pakistan and crush them all at once. It worked in Berlin with the Soviets and the Americans/Europeans and it would work here too.

Of course that's assuming we fight the way we did in WWII, meaning fight to win and not worry too much about civilians (that are collaborators any way) getting in the way.

Fight to preserve our culture.

Posted by: walterc at August 27, 2007 6:31 PM

Here's hoping the Indians let 'em have it!

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at August 27, 2007 6:45 PM

Well, at least you won't find any politically correct dick heads in India who won't see this threat for what it is.

I think last time India pointed the finger at Pakistan Intelligence Forces of being involved in that parliament bombing.

They specifically stated that they would turn Pakistan into a Car Park or words to that effect..

I think Pakistan got the point, but somehow the Jihadi's there are hell bent on being set to their virgins in Heaven.....I mean you can't blame them.....what virgin on earth would want to touch this scruffy lot in Pakistan?

Posted by: Joe Bananas in Pajamas at August 27, 2007 6:47 PM

... and we can regain our lost glory ...

Robert - That would be a fascinating book topic:

Every one of Islam's routings and failures,
the generations of embarrassment, and how they
just can't ever "let go" of what isn't theirs.

Posted by: Occupant at August 27, 2007 6:48 PM

This time Colin Powell is not around to get in the way.

India will rock their world.

Posted by: alaskan1000 at August 27, 2007 6:52 PM

It's possible that the jihadis will overthrow Mushie, and then become recklessly aggressive towards India, provoking a war which Pakistan will lose. The victors can at least destroy Pakistan's nukes, which would be useful.
Go ahead, jihadis, take over Pakistan, make my day.

Posted by: jewdog at August 27, 2007 6:52 PM

Alarmed Pig Farmer, an islamist media is CNN. CNN is big in Egypt - they are probably in Pakistan too. Listen to CNN and you will see why. Then when you cannot stomach CNN anymore - go and purge yourself. Everyone will understand.

Posted by: R_not at August 27, 2007 7:42 PM

Oh, and there is al jazeera too. There are plenty of stations that we don't know about. The jihadists give them tapes and gee, no one asks why they are our 'friends' but don't tell us from whom they get those tapes that show the likes of al zawahiri or others like him.

Posted by: R_not at August 27, 2007 7:45 PM

Unless we undermine this movement within Pakistan, we risk A.Q. "Father of the Islamic Bomb" Khan for president.

Islam's dogmas must be debunked and its militants planted.

Posted by: profitsbeard at August 27, 2007 9:34 PM

For those who do not know, Jamaat-a-Islamii is the parent organization of the Taliban. If Jamaat-a-Islamii ever gains power, the Taliban will have quintupled operating capacity, Southeast Asia will likely explode over Kashmir, and Bin Laden will have nukes. This is a recipe for apocalypse, and must be prevented at all costs. Oh, and have I mentioned: JAMAAT-A-ISLAMII IS ALLIED WITH MUSHARRAF! The vast majority of moderate Pakistani Moslems despise the radicalism of Jamaat-a-Islamii, and want the group crushed. This is the number one reason that the U.S. must strengthen democratic forces in Pakistan posthaste. A failure to distinguish between the moderate forces of Pakistani democracy and Jamaat-a-Islamii will bring apocalypse. THIS MEANS YOU. If you hate Moslem radicals, if you have a visceral disgust of suicide bombings, good. So do I. But we must face facts. We are at war. There are varying degrees of Jihadism, and it should make a difference to you whether a Moslem Pakistani sits at home and yells at the TV when Bush comes on--or whether he SUICIDE-BOMBS KASHMIR. Wake up.

Posted by: Shlomo_Michael at August 27, 2007 9:49 PM

the problem is India is full of Islamists that would rise up in the name of Allha join their Pakistani brothers if a jihad started in Kashmir so India would be fighting a civil war as well as the Pakistanis

Posted by: mowasaperv at August 27, 2007 9:55 PM

Unless we undermine this movement within Pakistan, we risk A.Q. "Father of the Islamic Bomb" Khan for president.

Posted by: profitsbeard at August 27, 2007 9:34 PM

Remember, Pakistan stole land from India.
Remember, A Q Khan stole nuclear secrets from Europe.

This makes the Islamic nuclear bomb, like everything else Islamic, including land, stolen.

Posted by: Alert at August 27, 2007 10:27 PM

I see some wishful thinking going on in here but i suspect india just yawned and turned the page.

Thats the greatness of the jihad or the slow jihad,the nation didn't sanction it just those "few extremists."That little state within a state (see Lebanon)favored by islam.

All they will do is call yet again for musharaff to act against the extremism.....buisiness as usual.

Either islam is strong and what we see today is true islam or islam is weak and can't find the strength to fight it's enemy,the one that hijacked it.We all know the answer.Everybody knows.

The right amount of bodies haven't piled up.The right heinous act hasn't been performed yet.

Go visit TROP and see the counter hasn't reached reality check mode yet.

Stay tuned till next time.

Posted by: Dar al-harb at August 27, 2007 11:19 PM

To all the posters above who think that India is the answer, ground reality is that India is not qualitatively different from the West in terms of appeasement of Muslims. While they specifically designate Pakistan (and now, to an extent, Bangladesh) as enemy countries (and that too half heartedly), they are in total denial as to the agenda of their own Mohammedan population - which is #4 in the world. I don't believe that what the Paki newspaper says above will happen, but it will take some real bloodletting in India, starting with the ruling coalition, before that trend can be reversed.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at August 27, 2007 11:54 PM

Shlomo_Michael said

The vast majority of moderate Pakistani Moslems despise the radicalism of Jamaat-a-Islamii, and want the group crushed. This is the number one reason that the U.S. must strengthen democratic forces in Pakistan posthaste.

Oh no, here we go again. If we go into Pakistan and crush Jamaat-a-Islamii, will the grateful Pakistanis throw rose-petals before our soldiers? Will they cast aside their petty Sunni/Shi'ite differences, and work together on building a prosperous, pluralistic democracy?

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Sorry, I'm all done with saving "the vast majority of moderate" Muslims from themselves.

What we should do posthaste is make sure our borders are secure, our people are educated about the danger we face, and our military is focused on the areas that present the most immediate threat to us.

Posted by: special_guest at August 28, 2007 1:51 AM

its time India show the rest of the world and purge its land of mosques, outlaw islam now!

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at August 28, 2007 2:57 AM

Bringing back the good old days of the Mughal rule and subjugating the Hindus ?

Come on Pakistan, grow up (even at 60). You fought three wars with India and lost them (all over Kashmir). You lost a portion of yourself in the latest war (1971- the creation of Bangladesh - whose creation has brought problems to India, but that's a different matter).

India has been in existence for the past 60 years and will continue as a Hindu majority country for a long time to come. And for all time to come, India will have Hinduism as the cultural substratum.

Good luck in the next war.

Posted by: proud-hindu at August 28, 2007 3:00 AM

....one day soon , we may once again hear "Aayo Gurkhali” ringing in India....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at August 28, 2007 7:00 AM

Jihadis of Pakistan have delusion of granduer that their muslim forefathers had conquered, enslaved and thus ruled Hindus for almost thousand years without much resistance from the Hindus.A careful look at Medivial Indian History indicates that hindus never surrendered to the muslim conqueres and they always fought with the muslim tyrrants.Even at the height of Islamic tyrrany, in the Sultanete Period, muslims were not more than 30% of the total population. In the present, average hindu in India knows the muslims' hatred for the hindus. Hindu mind for the muslims can be gauged from the fact that he or she will not eat any thing touched by the muslim. Even if we talk of pro-muslim hindu politicians like Lalu Parsad Yadav or (Maulana) Mulayam Singh Yadav, these two are not going to drink water from a glass used previously by a muslim.In other words,hindu relationship with his next door Indian muslim neigbuor is superficial and fragile and with the Pakistani Jihadis, it is hostile. In the present situation when India and Pakistan both have nuclear weapons, in case of war India wil be sustantially damaged but pakistan will cease to exist. Message for the Pakistani Jihadis is loud and clear, in any attempt to make India dar al harab, they will cease to exist.

Posted by: iqbal at August 28, 2007 12:41 PM

Iqbal, if you look at history, it's delusional to believe medieval Hindus in India were resisting the Muslims to the extent you describe. If they were, how do you explain almost 1,000 years of uninterrupted Muslim rule? How could so few Muslims rule so many non-Muslims?

Whenever India has been invaded or faced an enemy there has been no dearth of self-interested Indians ready to sell themselves and their loyalty to do the bidding of the enemy of the common people. Not just a few locals, but many many (the elite, and ruling class in particular) people.

Today in India it's true many if not a large majority of non-Muslims harbour resentment for Muslims due to the brutalities that Islamic rule brought for ordinary people, but don't underestimate the ability of Indians to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

India had the opportunity for total victory in its wars with Pakistan but never took it. Even Bangladesh, a country India helped liberate, hates India. Why? Ask yourself that question. When the English, Portugese, came to India, what happened? One self-interested ruler sided with the enemy to subjugate his local enemies to the detriment of all. Over and over that story was repeated until all of India was under the English thumb.

Posted by: Jalandhar at August 28, 2007 2:15 PM

He's a little late with that idea.

al-qaeda was founded in 1988 by Abdullah Azzam in Pakistan to wage jihad warfare against India (which it did). The violence against Indians may be sporadic, the jihad itself in India is not.

Posted by: pythagoras at August 28, 2007 8:15 PM

They're a little late with that idea.

al-qaeda was founded in 1988 by Abdullah Azzam in Pakistan to wage jihad warfare against India (which it did). The violence against Indians may be sporadic, the jihad itself in India is not.

Posted by: pythagoras at August 28, 2007 8:16 PM

1. "Oh no, here we go again. If we go into Pakistan and crush Jamaat-a-Islamii, will the grateful Pakistanis throw rose-petals before our soldiers? Will they cast aside their petty Sunni/Shi'ite differences, and work together on building a prosperous, pluralistic democracy?"

Yeah, you're right. We already tried that in Iraq and it exploded in our face. That's exactly why the worst thing we could do not is invade Pakistan. Nothing would make Jamaat-a-Islamii more happy.

2. "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Sorry, I'm all done with saving "the vast majority of moderate" Muslims from themselves."

Pakistan is completely different from Iraq. Iraq was extremely radicalized before our soldiers set foot in there--you just didn't know because Saddam had been so ruthless in destroying Pakistani civil society. In contrast, Pakistan has a strong civil society and moderate/democratic roots dating back from the times of Gandhi and Jinnah. Musharraf, however, needs to continually subvert these democratic roots, and the only takers are from Jamaat-a-Islamii. Once power returns to the hands of the moderate Moslems, the projected winner of democratic Pakistani elections is MS. Benazir Bhutto. That should tell you something right there.

3. "What we should do posthaste is make sure our borders are secure, our people are educated about the danger we face, and our military is focused on the areas that present the most immediate threat to us."

I think you misunderstood me. I am not advocating a military offensive against Pakistan. I just think we should be encouraging grassroots democracy in Pakistan, instead of supporting a dictator who is fading fast, and continuing our fantasies about his abilities and willingness to fight the radicals.

Posted by: Shlomo_Michael at August 29, 2007 12:09 AM