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The coinage of the term "Islamophobia" is an exercise in blaming the victim. If Muslims want to end "Islamophobia" instantaneously, here's how:
1. Focus your indignation on Muslims committing violent acts in the name of Islam, not on non-Muslims reporting on those acts.
2. Renounce definitively not just "terrorism," but any intention to replace the U.S. Constitution (or the constitutions of any non-Muslim state) with Sharia even by peaceful means.
3. Teach Muslims the imperative of coexisting peacefully as equals with non-Muslims on an indefinite basis.
4. Begin comprehensive international programs in mosques all over the world to teach against the ideas of violent jihad and Islamic supremacism.
5. Actively work with Western law enforcement officials to identify and apprehend jihadists within Western Muslim communities.
Do those five things, and voila! "Islamophobia" will vanish. No UN program needed.
"Muslim Nations Want 'Islamophobia' on Anti-Racism Meeting's Agenda," by Patrick Goodenough for the CNSNews.com (thanks to WriterMom):
(CNSNews.com) - "Islamophobia" and the defamation of Islam are the most conspicuous forms of racism and intolerance today, and a global U.N. conference on racism planned for 2009 should come up with practical solutions to deal with them, an Islamic bloc representative told a preparatory meeting in Geneva Monday.The 2009 meeting is intended to review a U.N. conference on racism, held in Durban, South Africa, just days before 9/11, but the 56-nation Organization for the Islamic Conference (OIC) wants Islam to be high on the agenda.
"The world since 2001 has not remained static and witnessed new forms of racism and racial discrimination," Pakistan's representative to the U.N., Masood Khan, said at a meeting of the planning body, or "prepcom bureau," according to prepared remarks.
Speaking on behalf of the OIC, Khan told the meeting that "there has been a stark rise in hate crimes, discrimination, racial profiling and intolerance against Muslims in many countries."
Posted by Robert at August 28, 2007 3:25 PM
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at August 28, 2007 3:57 PM
Islamophobia" and the defamation of Islam are the most conspicuous forms of racism and intolerance today, and a global U.N. conference on racism planned for 2009 should come up with practical solutions to deal with them, an Islamic bloc representative told a preparatory meeting in Geneva Monday.
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So Islam is a race now?
Posted by: Sneakyzionistcrusader at August 28, 2007 3:59 PM
Someone should remind these guys that Islam is not a race. There is nothing wrong with despising a violent, brain-washing, expansionist ideology hell-bent on world domination.
In fact, I think it should be considered a qualification for citizenship lol.
Posted by: v4ri4bl3 at August 28, 2007 4:00 PM
Islamophobia" and the defamation of Islam are the most conspicuous forms of racism and intolerance today, and a global U.N. conference on racism planned for 2009 should come up with practical solutions to deal with them, an Islamic bloc representative told a preparatory meeting in Geneva Monday.
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So Islam is a race now?
Posted by: Sneakyzionistcrusader at August 28, 2007 4:02 PM
There are damm good reasons for it. The UN is sure to create more of them. What else is the UN good for?
Posted by: flowerknife_us at August 28, 2007 4:02 PM
Someone should remind these guys that Islam is not a race. There is nothing wrong with despising a violent, brain-washing, expansionist ideology hell-bent on world domination.
In fact, I think it should be considered a qualification for citizenship lol.
Posted by: v4ri4bl3 at August 28, 2007 4:03 PM
So Islam is a race now?
Posted by: Sneakyzionistcrusader
You didnt get the memo? Islam is whatever it wants to be, given the circumstance.
at August 28, 2007 4:09 PM
"Islamophobia" and the defamation of Islam are the most conspicuous forms of racism and intolerance today, and a global U.N. conference on racism planned for 2009 should come up with practical solutions to deal with them, an Islamic bloc representative told a preparatory meeting in Geneva Monday.
So, this guy has not been to Saudi Arabia (just off the top of my head). That country seems more than just a little conspicuous when it comes to intolerance
at August 28, 2007 4:10 PM
American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source pho·bi·a (fō'bē-ə) Pronunciation Key
n.
A persistent, abnormal, and irrational fear of a specific thing or situation that compels one to avoid it, despite the awareness and reassurance that it is not dangerous.
Nothing abnormal or irrational about fear Islam. Sorry, does not compute. And it is dangerous.
at August 28, 2007 4:12 PM
Heir Goebbels is at work.
Sounds like Sudatenland to me.
Gal 4:17
Those false teachers who are so anxious to win your favor are not doing it for your good. They are trying to shut you off from me so that you will pay more attention to them.
غال 4:17
تلك كاذبة المدرسين الذين تحرص على الفوز حسابك صالح لا يفعلون ذلك لجهودكم الطيبة. انهم يحاولون اغلاق لك من منى حتى يتسنى لك ان تولى مزيدا من الاهتمام لها
at August 28, 2007 4:15 PM
Speaking on behalf of the worldwide coalition of angry, armed infidels (WCAAI), Pelayo says that "there has been a stark rise in hate crimes, discrimination, racial profiling and intolerance against non-Muslims in many countries."
Posted by: Pelayo at August 28, 2007 4:15 PM
Speaking on behalf of the OIC, Khan told the meeting that "there has been a stark rise in hate crimes, discrimination, racial profiling and intolerance committed by Muslims in many countries."
Fixed it for you Khan
at August 28, 2007 4:19 PM
"Islamophobia" and the defamation of Islam are the most conspicuous forms of racism and intolerance today, and a global U.N. conference on racism planned for 2009 should come up with practical solutions to deal with them, an Islamic bloc representative told a preparatory meeting in Geneva Monday."
Talk about a target-rich environment.
Posted by: Foehammer at August 28, 2007 4:19 PM
"The world since 2001 has not remained static and witnessed new forms of racism and racial discrimination,"
Partly correct, in particular sudden explosive syndrome is on the rise and it ain't Christians nor Jews.
"The 2009 meeting is intended to review a U.N. conference on racism, held in Durban, South Africa, just days before 9/11, but the 56-nation Organization for the Islamic Conference (OIC) wants Islam to be high on the agenda."
Yep, Islam should be No 1 on the agenda but not for those reasons.
"there has been a stark rise in hate crimes, discrimination, racial profiling and intolerance against Muslims in many countries."
Brought on by exactly who? Anyone you know Khan?
The Masquerade continues.
Posted by: sounder at August 28, 2007 4:20 PM
"So Islam is a race now?
Posted by: Sneakyzionistcrusader
You didnt get the memo? Islam is whatever it wants to be, given the circumstance."
Not to mention the proper circumcision...
Posted by: Foehammer at August 28, 2007 4:21 PM
Good point Foe
Posted by: Elric66 at August 28, 2007 4:22 PM
Silly Kafur, don't you understand that the double standards of Stalinist PC methods for Orwellian suppression are the main tools that Islamic Supremacist will be using in the program of Dawa. This will aid in our effort to institute Sharia Law and Dhimmitude. Your thoughts of equality before the law are “double ungood” and you will be sent to UN re-education camps for our…errrr , your own benefit. The wages you would have received from your labors will be used as both Jizya, (some one must pay for the Imams to pray for your Najis souls) and to pay for the expansion of the Oil for Food program, (the diplomats life styles at the UN have suffered since the Iraq War happened).
Posted by: senor doeboy at August 28, 2007 4:25 PM
Oh how I wish the U.N. would say,
Yeah, you can have islamophobia included, but we also get to address the nedless array of Islamic racial and religous prejudice that makes the muslim countries among the racist and most intolerant. We get to inquire as to how many newly built churches there's been in Egypt, Arabian Penninsula and Iran. We get to inquire why in countries like Nigeria and Malaysia, where muslims are only narrowly a majority, they still end up creating socieites where non muslims do all the industrial and productive work and keep the economy from going to hell, yet the islamaniancs there insist on reminding them every step of the way how inferior they ar enext to the believers, and viciously repressing autonomous movements in Biafra and Sabah/Sarawak.
Maybe they can address why Arab societies everywhere continually view non arabs, especially those with darker skin, as their persoanl property even when they are muslim. Maybe they can finally address the attitudes Arabs have for the darker skinned Black Africans and Touregs in Niger/Mali/Maritaunia, blacks in Sudan, Amazigh in Morocco and Algeria, and the Kurds in pretty much all Arab nations. They would then address the racial contempt muslims inherently have that the arab supremacism reflects upon them: the Malays' contempt for the Chinese and Tamils, the Javanese contempt for the Chinese, the Pakis' contempt for the Baloch and Sindhis, the Afghan Pathans' contmept for the Hazara and Ismaili Tajiks, especially after the Hazara tried so hard to prevent the Taliban from destryong their valued Bamiyan Buddha statues, and even in Kosovo, where they can observe the KLA's treatment of not only Serbs but of pretty much everyone who isn't both Albnaian and Muslim, (i.e. Albanain Catholics/Orthodox, Turks, Roma, Circassians, Bosniacs, etc).
Oh goddamit, I just went off on one of my little fantasies again and lost touch with reality. Bottom line, the first presidential candidate who advocates getting us out of the UN and stopping jizyah aid to Pakistan, Malaysia, Bangladesh, Jordan and Egpyt had better get the full eight years in office.
Posted by: maxwell46&2 at August 28, 2007 4:26 PM
Discussion of Islam is as out of place, as mal a propos, at this forthcoming "Anti-Racism" meeting as was the endless denunciation, the viciousness that knew no bounds, and was of every type, a denunication di tutti colori, of Israel's putative crimes at that famous "Anti-Racism" lynch-mob gathering at Durban in early September 2001.
Muslims are not a "race." They include all sorts of wonderful people.
Now there should flash on the screan a Benetton-ad look-alike, showing the smiling or sober faces of, inter alios, John Walker Lindh, Adam Gadahn, Richard Reid, Jose Padilla, Yvonne Ridley, Mohammad Atta, Sheikh Al-Qaradawi, Moqtada al-Sadr, and many others, of all races, all determined however to serve Islam, to serve the umma al-islamiyya, determined to accept what Allah sent down to seventh-century Arabia, to the last, the Seal, of the Prophets, and hasn't seen fit to change a word or a syllable since. Now have Lindh, and Reid, and Padilla, and Moqtada al-Sadr, and Yvonne Ridley, and the ghost of Ayatollah Khomeini, and Sheik Nasrallah, and Sheikh Fadlallah, and King Abdullah of Jordan, and Yusuf Islam, and everyone, all together now, singing "We are Islam. We are the world. We are the world. We are Islam." Repeat, according to taste.
at August 28, 2007 4:28 PM
Note how none of these Islamic apologists have ever come up with a cogent definition of "Islamophobia." It's still an amorphous concept--which is to say, it doesn't exist.
Posted by: GetBornAgain at August 28, 2007 4:28 PM
I have hard trouble deciding if this is tongue-in-cheek or serious.
I mean it could be serious and the appeal is to Muslims humanity and they make a choice between Islam and their humanity (very psychologically stressful mind you - reminds me of Francis Schaeffer's methods).
Or tongue-in-cheek: Not really believing so- called moderate Muslims at face value - they secretly desire that the Jihadists win. In a certain sense they are "armchair Jihadists". They might provide moral, financial, logistical, other support for those that are more committed.
I think the % of Muslims that want reform and believe that there is a problem with existing Islam is very few indeed - will targetting this group have the right effect?
at August 28, 2007 4:31 PM
The Jihad Awareness Project currently has 62 volunteers in 34 states.
WE STILL ARE SEEKING CITIZEN VOLUNTEERS FROM ALL 50 STATES, ESPECIALLY FROM THE FOLLOWING 16:
Alabama
Connecticut
Delaware
Hawaii
Kansas
Louisiana
Michigan
Mississippi
Montana
North Dakota
Oklahoma
South Dakota
Utah
Vermont
West Virginia
Wyoming
I'm looking for at least two people in every state of the Union who would be willing to purchase a copy of Robert Spencer's Religion of Peace? Why Christianity Is and Islam Isn't and mail it, on an agreed upon date, to one of the senators in your state. I'm organizing an effort to get the book simultaneously to all 100 senators, in order to send a strong message. If we get more than two people per state, books can also be sent to the House of Representatives.
If you’d like to be involved, please write to me at traehnam@yahoo.com under the subject heading “Senate,” and tell me the state your senator represents, an email address where I can reach you, and a nickname. No need for your real name. And I will never share your email address with anyone, not even with other volunteers for this project.
And visit www.jihadawareness.blogspot.com to get more info on this project and to leave comments other volunteers can read. You can also see there the growing list of participants in this project, and the states their senators represent. I’ll try to update the list at least once a day. I've also designed a graphic that might amuse. Scroll down when you get to the site.
Once we have at least two people from every state, we can agree on a mailing date and then each of us can mail a copy of the book on that date.
Right before each of us mails the book, we can issue a press release to various media outlets in every state, and in that way announce and explain the mailing. And perhaps we can come up with some other ways of maximizing the effectiveness of this project and gaining as much positive attention as possible.
Congress is in recess until after Labor Day. But one of the project's volunteers suggested contacting Rep. Sue Myrick, who started the anti-Jihad caucus in Congress. I'll try to coordinate this project with Rep. Myrick to maximize its effectiveness. I've also been calling various congressional offices to get advice on how best to go about this. And I'll soon contact Regnery, Robert Spencer's publisher, to ask their advice and to see if we can coordinate with them in some way.
Posted by: traeh at August 28, 2007 4:35 PM
If they have their way at the League of Nations II, resolutions 242 & 338 ("zionism is racism" frauds) will be extended to every non-mOslem on the planet.
Then again, here, anyone says they're suffering from "islamophobia" is greeted with:
"And your point IS...???"
at August 28, 2007 4:42 PM
Robert Spencer's five point plan against Islamophobia should be published far and wide. Maybe they should be called "Five Cures for Islamophobia."
Posted by: traeh at August 28, 2007 4:49 PM
Robert:
While you're at it could you conduct a retroactive investigation into the hideous Araynism that was practiced by the Jews in WWII? I think there's a real moral parallel here. Things wouldn't have gotten so hot for Jews if they'd been less phobic and more understanding of the natural superiority of Aryan people.
Posted by: Kemaste at August 28, 2007 5:19 PM
Come on people Islam is a race.
A race to win the prize of being the most successful fascist movement in the history of the planet.
Posted by: SoteriA at August 28, 2007 5:20 PM
Are they going to address Kafurphobia too?
Posted by: senor doeboy at August 28, 2007 5:22 PM
So speaking against islamo-nazism equals racism? hehe
Islamists are trying to cash in from the civil liberties wars of the past.
Posted by: Crusader at August 28, 2007 5:38 PM
So speaking against islamo-nazism equals racism? hehe
Islamists are trying to cash in from the civil liberties wars of the past.
Posted by: Crusader at August 28, 2007 5:40 PM
Not sure if all of you heard this or read it - Don't anybody tell me about Islamophobia, which is a fiction in Muslims minds or is it? Are they so manipulative ? A friend has sent me this and its worth reading..
The The Holy Land Foundation Case: What you are not hearing in the Media
Submitted by Lan Lamphere on Fri, 2007-08-10 18:59. Podcast - http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/node/1145
A Muslim 'Mafia'?
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Tuesday, August 14, 2007, 4:30 PM PT
Homeland Security: Forget everything you've been told about "moderate" Muslim groups in America. New evidence that U.S. prosecutors have revealed at a major terror trial exposes the facade.
Exhibit No. 003-0085 is the most chilling. Translated from Arabic by federal investigators in the case against the Holy Land Foundation, an alleged Hamas front, the secret document outlines a full-blown conspiracy by the major Muslim groups in America - all of which are considered "mainstream" by the media.
In fact, they are part of the "Ikhwan," or Muslim Brotherhood, the parent organization of Hamas, al-Qaida and other major Islamic terror groups. They have conspired to infiltrate American society with the purpose of undermining it and turning it into an Islamic state.
Check out this quote from Page 7 of the 1991 document:
"The Ikwhan must understand that all their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and sabotaging their miserable house by the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and Allah's religion is made victorious over all religions."
Sounds like the latest screed from Osama bin Laden. But it comes from the Muslim establishment in America.
The secret plan lists several Saudi-backed Muslim groups as "friends" of the conspiracy.
They include the Islamic Society of North America - the umbrella organization - and the North American Islamic Trust, which controls most of the mosques in America and is the forerunner to the Council on American-Islamic Relations, this country's most visible Muslim-rights group.
All three have been cited as unindicted co-conspirators in the case, with all three sharing membership in the Muslim Brotherhood. Yet all have claimed, in the wake of 9/11, to be moderate, even patriotic.
Another exhibit reveals their plan to create innocuous-sounding "front groups" to hide their radical agenda.
Many in the media and politics have fallen for their deception and helped bring them into the mainstream.
Now everyone knows the truth.
The Muslim establishment that publicly decries the radical fringe - represented by Hamas and al-Qaida - may actually be a part of it. The only difference is that they use words and money instead of bombs to accomplish their subversive goals.
Over the past two decades they have constructed, with Saudi money, an elaborate infrastructure of support for the bad guys - right under our noses.
They even brag about putting "beehives" (Islamic centers) in every major city.
These exhibits - which so far have been ignored by major media outside the Dallas area, where the trial is under way - completely blow the mainstream Muslim NGOs' cover as pro-American moderates. Many, if not most, aren't.
This is their real agenda, spelled out in black and white. It should help investigators build a RICO case to dismantle the entire terror-support network in America.
Many have suspected it, but now we have proof of a secret underworld operating inside America under the cover of fronts with legitimate-sounding names. It even uses charities to launder money for violent hits on enemies. It's highly organized, with its own internal bylaws and security to avoid monitoring from law enforcement.
Sounds like the Mafia.
But unlike the mob, this syndicate is religious in nature and protected by political correctness.
More evidence like this should put an end to such nonsense.
at August 28, 2007 5:44 PM
Not sure if all of you heard this or read it - Don't anybody tell me about Islamophobia, which is a fiction in Muslims minds or is it? Are they so manipulative ? A friend has sent me this and its worth reading..
The The Holy Land Foundation Case: What you are not hearing in the Media
Submitted by Lan Lamphere on Fri, 2007-08-10 18:59. Podcast - http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/node/1145
A Muslim 'Mafia'?
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Tuesday, August 14, 2007, 4:30 PM PT
Homeland Security: Forget everything you've been told about "moderate" Muslim groups in America. New evidence that U.S. prosecutors have revealed at a major terror trial exposes the facade.
Exhibit No. 003-0085 is the most chilling. Translated from Arabic by federal investigators in the case against the Holy Land Foundation, an alleged Hamas front, the secret document outlines a full-blown conspiracy by the major Muslim groups in America - all of which are considered "mainstream" by the media.
In fact, they are part of the "Ikhwan," or Muslim Brotherhood, the parent organization of Hamas, al-Qaida and other major Islamic terror groups. They have conspired to infiltrate American society with the purpose of undermining it and turning it into an Islamic state.
Check out this quote from Page 7 of the 1991 document:
"The Ikwhan must understand that all their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and sabotaging their miserable house by the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and Allah's religion is made victorious over all religions."
Sounds like the latest screed from Osama bin Laden. But it comes from the Muslim establishment in America.
The secret plan lists several Saudi-backed Muslim groups as "friends" of the conspiracy.
They include the Islamic Society of North America - the umbrella organization - and the North American Islamic Trust, which controls most of the mosques in America and is the forerunner to the Council on American-Islamic Relations, this country's most visible Muslim-rights group.
All three have been cited as unindicted co-conspirators in the case, with all three sharing membership in the Muslim Brotherhood. Yet all have claimed, in the wake of 9/11, to be moderate, even patriotic.
Another exhibit reveals their plan to create innocuous-sounding "front groups" to hide their radical agenda.
Many in the media and politics have fallen for their deception and helped bring them into the mainstream.
Now everyone knows the truth.
The Muslim establishment that publicly decries the radical fringe - represented by Hamas and al-Qaida - may actually be a part of it. The only difference is that they use words and money instead of bombs to accomplish their subversive goals.
Over the past two decades they have constructed, with Saudi money, an elaborate infrastructure of support for the bad guys - right under our noses.
They even brag about putting "beehives" (Islamic centers) in every major city.
These exhibits - which so far have been ignored by major media outside the Dallas area, where the trial is under way - completely blow the mainstream Muslim NGOs' cover as pro-American moderates. Many, if not most, aren't.
This is their real agenda, spelled out in black and white. It should help investigators build a RICO case to dismantle the entire terror-support network in America.
Many have suspected it, but now we have proof of a secret underworld operating inside America under the cover of fronts with legitimate-sounding names. It even uses charities to launder money for violent hits on enemies. It's highly organized, with its own internal bylaws and security to avoid monitoring from law enforcement.
Sounds like the Mafia.
But unlike the mob, this syndicate is religious in nature and protected by political correctness.
More evidence like this should put an end to such nonsense.
at August 28, 2007 5:45 PM
Heres a good one for you guys.A new found friend i just connected to in my360 has some muslim visitors.(I connect to her in the U.K.)
My new friend was commenting on the gatherings of an islamic organization of which for the life of me at the moment i cannot spell (hizb a tier....something like that,we all know them though)
Anywho the jest of it is one of her commentors was Iranian and he prceeded to tell us how Iran has in place governmental layers that modernize islamic law on a daily basis to fit modern times.
(??????)
So he in fact assures us that Islam is cappable of living along side the modern world.And that those non muslims should have nothing to fear as far as changing the laws in the west to better suit muslims.
(??????)
Of course i could not help myself but point out the slide backwards in time Iran is taking what with strict islamic dress code,the taking away of freedoms of thier press and universities.To my knowledge they still stone and hang people and torture and beat people.There is still no voice but the islamic voice.Pedophilia is still legal.
Anything of western or modern influence is banned ,save that which they can use to further islam.
Now if you want an example of taqiya people you just got one.How on earth are we to believe that islam is translated to fit modern times when the whole hub bub is over how islam is unchangable.
So for us infedels there is nothing to worry about when muslims try to change the western laws and values because islam is everyday changing to fit the needs of the modern times.
My whole question is why would we in the first place want to change our laws and values to allow another to rule in it's place?
Are people still not understanding the questions?
We are not fighting against a religion we are fighting against a political agenda that uses religion.There is not a chance in hell that we won't offend it so don't worry about offending it.
The only thing islam does on a daily basis is feel the humiliation of it's lost glory.Maybe it hates pigs so much because islam is much like them,it wallows in it's stye.
I would love to keep talking to the Iranian but i think it will only get as far as my being racist,biggoted and islamophobic.The usual.
I just thought you would breathe easier knowing that Islam IS being translated to be a little more non neliever friendly,by Iran even.
Also that ice bridge in Florida is still for sale if anyone is interested.
Posted by: Dar al-harb at August 28, 2007 5:45 PM
Not sure if all of you heard this or read it - Don't anybody tell me about Islamophobia, which is a fiction in Muslims minds or is it? Are they so manipulative ? A friend has sent me this and its worth reading..
The The Holy Land Foundation Case: What you are not hearing in the Media
Submitted by Lan Lamphere on Fri, 2007-08-10 18:59. Podcast - http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/node/1145
A Muslim 'Mafia'?
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Tuesday, August 14, 2007, 4:30 PM PT
Homeland Security: Forget everything you've been told about "moderate" Muslim groups in America. New evidence that U.S. prosecutors have revealed at a major terror trial exposes the facade.
Exhibit No. 003-0085 is the most chilling. Translated from Arabic by federal investigators in the case against the Holy Land Foundation, an alleged Hamas front, the secret document outlines a full-blown conspiracy by the major Muslim groups in America - all of which are considered "mainstream" by the media.
In fact, they are part of the "Ikhwan," or Muslim Brotherhood, the parent organization of Hamas, al-Qaida and other major Islamic terror groups. They have conspired to infiltrate American society with the purpose of undermining it and turning it into an Islamic state.
Check out this quote from Page 7 of the 1991 document:
"The Ikwhan must understand that all their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and sabotaging their miserable house by the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and Allah's religion is made victorious over all religions."
Sounds like the latest screed from Osama bin Laden. But it comes from the Muslim establishment in America.
The secret plan lists several Saudi-backed Muslim groups as "friends" of the conspiracy.
They include the Islamic Society of North America - the umbrella organization - and the North American Islamic Trust, which controls most of the mosques in America and is the forerunner to the Council on American-Islamic Relations, this country's most visible Muslim-rights group.
All three have been cited as unindicted co-conspirators in the case, with all three sharing membership in the Muslim Brotherhood. Yet all have claimed, in the wake of 9/11, to be moderate, even patriotic.
Another exhibit reveals their plan to create innocuous-sounding "front groups" to hide their radical agenda.
Many in the media and politics have fallen for their deception and helped bring them into the mainstream.
Now everyone knows the truth.
The Muslim establishment that publicly decries the radical fringe - represented by Hamas and al-Qaida - may actually be a part of it. The only difference is that they use words and money instead of bombs to accomplish their subversive goals.
Over the past two decades they have constructed, with Saudi money, an elaborate infrastructure of support for the bad guys - right under our noses.
They even brag about putting "beehives" (Islamic centers) in every major city.
These exhibits - which so far have been ignored by major media outside the Dallas area, where the trial is under way - completely blow the mainstream Muslim NGOs' cover as pro-American moderates. Many, if not most, aren't.
This is their real agenda, spelled out in black and white. It should help investigators build a RICO case to dismantle the entire terror-support network in America.
Many have suspected it, but now we have proof of a secret underworld operating inside America under the cover of fronts with legitimate-sounding names. It even uses charities to launder money for violent hits on enemies. It's highly organized, with its own internal bylaws and security to avoid monitoring from law enforcement.
Sounds like the Mafia.
But unlike the mob, this syndicate is religious in nature and protected by political correctness.
More evidence like this should put an end to such nonsense.
at August 28, 2007 5:45 PM
Not sure if all of you heard this or read it - Don't anybody tell me about Islamophobia, which is a fiction in Muslims minds or is it? Are they so manipulative ? A friend has sent me this and its worth reading..
The The Holy Land Foundation Case: What you are not hearing in the Media
Submitted by Lan Lamphere on Fri, 2007-08-10 18:59. Podcast - http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/node/1145
A Muslim 'Mafia'?
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Tuesday, August 14, 2007, 4:30 PM PT
Homeland Security: Forget everything you've been told about "moderate" Muslim groups in America. New evidence that U.S. prosecutors have revealed at a major terror trial exposes the facade.
Exhibit No. 003-0085 is the most chilling. Translated from Arabic by federal investigators in the case against the Holy Land Foundation, an alleged Hamas front, the secret document outlines a full-blown conspiracy by the major Muslim groups in America - all of which are considered "mainstream" by the media.
In fact, they are part of the "Ikhwan," or Muslim Brotherhood, the parent organization of Hamas, al-Qaida and other major Islamic terror groups. They have conspired to infiltrate American society with the purpose of undermining it and turning it into an Islamic state.
Check out this quote from Page 7 of the 1991 document:
"The Ikwhan must understand that all their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and sabotaging their miserable house by the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and Allah's religion is made victorious over all religions."
Sounds like the latest screed from Osama bin Laden. But it comes from the Muslim establishment in America.
The secret plan lists several Saudi-backed Muslim groups as "friends" of the conspiracy.
They include the Islamic Society of North America - the umbrella organization - and the North American Islamic Trust, which controls most of the mosques in America and is the forerunner to the Council on American-Islamic Relations, this country's most visible Muslim-rights group.
All three have been cited as unindicted co-conspirators in the case, with all three sharing membership in the Muslim Brotherhood. Yet all have claimed, in the wake of 9/11, to be moderate, even patriotic.
Another exhibit reveals their plan to create innocuous-sounding "front groups" to hide their radical agenda.
Many in the media and politics have fallen for their deception and helped bring them into the mainstream.
Now everyone knows the truth.
The Muslim establishment that publicly decries the radical fringe - represented by Hamas and al-Qaida - may actually be a part of it. The only difference is that they use words and money instead of bombs to accomplish their subversive goals.
Over the past two decades they have constructed, with Saudi money, an elaborate infrastructure of support for the bad guys - right under our noses.
They even brag about putting "beehives" (Islamic centers) in every major city.
These exhibits - which so far have been ignored by major media outside the Dallas area, where the trial is under way - completely blow the mainstream Muslim NGOs' cover as pro-American moderates. Many, if not most, aren't.
This is their real agenda, spelled out in black and white. It should help investigators build a RICO case to dismantle the entire terror-support network in America.
Many have suspected it, but now we have proof of a secret underworld operating inside America under the cover of fronts with legitimate-sounding names. It even uses charities to launder money for violent hits on enemies. It's highly organized, with its own internal bylaws and security to avoid monitoring from law enforcement.
Sounds like the Mafia.
But unlike the mob, this syndicate is religious in nature and protected by political correctness.
More evidence like this should put an end to such nonsense.
at August 28, 2007 5:49 PM
Not sure if all of you heard this or read it - Don't anybody tell me about Islamophobia, which is a fiction in Muslims minds or is it? Are they so manipulative ? A friend has sent me this and its worth reading..
The The Holy Land Foundation Case: What you are not hearing in the Media
Submitted by Lan Lamphere on Fri, 2007-08-10 18:59. Podcast - http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/node/1145
A Muslim 'Mafia'?
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Tuesday, August 14, 2007, 4:30 PM PT
Homeland Security: Forget everything you've been told about "moderate" Muslim groups in America. New evidence that U.S. prosecutors have revealed at a major terror trial exposes the facade.
Exhibit No. 003-0085 is the most chilling. Translated from Arabic by federal investigators in the case against the Holy Land Foundation, an alleged Hamas front, the secret document outlines a full-blown conspiracy by the major Muslim groups in America - all of which are considered "mainstream" by the media.
In fact, they are part of the "Ikhwan," or Muslim Brotherhood, the parent organization of Hamas, al-Qaida and other major Islamic terror groups. They have conspired to infiltrate American society with the purpose of undermining it and turning it into an Islamic state.
Check out this quote from Page 7 of the 1991 document:
"The Ikwhan must understand that all their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and sabotaging their miserable house by the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and Allah's religion is made victorious over all religions."
Sounds like the latest screed from Osama bin Laden. But it comes from the Muslim establishment in America.
The secret plan lists several Saudi-backed Muslim groups as "friends" of the conspiracy.
They include the Islamic Society of North America - the umbrella organization - and the North American Islamic Trust, which controls most of the mosques in America and is the forerunner to the Council on American-Islamic Relations, this country's most visible Muslim-rights group.
All three have been cited as unindicted co-conspirators in the case, with all three sharing membership in the Muslim Brotherhood. Yet all have claimed, in the wake of 9/11, to be moderate, even patriotic.
Another exhibit reveals their plan to create innocuous-sounding "front groups" to hide their radical agenda.
Many in the media and politics have fallen for their deception and helped bring them into the mainstream.
Now everyone knows the truth.
The Muslim establishment that publicly decries the radical fringe - represented by Hamas and al-Qaida - may actually be a part of it. The only difference is that they use words and money instead of bombs to accomplish their subversive goals.
Over the past two decades they have constructed, with Saudi money, an elaborate infrastructure of support for the bad guys - right under our noses.
They even brag about putting "beehives" (Islamic centers) in every major city.
These exhibits - which so far have been ignored by major media outside the Dallas area, where the trial is under way - completely blow the mainstream Muslim NGOs' cover as pro-American moderates. Many, if not most, aren't.
This is their real agenda, spelled out in black and white. It should help investigators build a RICO case to dismantle the entire terror-support network in America.
Many have suspected it, but now we have proof of a secret underworld operating inside America under the cover of fronts with legitimate-sounding names. It even uses charities to launder money for violent hits on enemies. It's highly organized, with its own internal bylaws and security to avoid monitoring from law enforcement.
Sounds like the Mafia.
But unlike the mob, this syndicate is religious in nature and protected by political correctness.
More evidence like this should put an end to such nonsense.
at August 28, 2007 5:49 PM
I would add a sixth requirement.
The moslem must sincerely state:
I will hug an infidel today.
at August 28, 2007 5:49 PM
Heres a good one for you guys.A new found friend i just connected to in my360 has some muslim visitors.(I connect to her in the U.K.)
My new friend was commenting on the gatherings of an islamic organization of which for the life of me at the moment i cannot spell (hizb a tier....something like that,we all know them though)
Anywho the jest of it is one of her commentors was Iranian and he prceeded to tell us how Iran has in place governmental layers that modernize islamic law on a daily basis to fit modern times.
(??????)
So he in fact assures us that Islam is cappable of living along side the modern world.And that those non muslims should have nothing to fear as far as changing the laws in the west to better suit muslims.
(??????)
Of course i could not help myself but point out the slide backwards in time Iran is taking what with strict islamic dress code,the taking away of freedoms of thier press and universities.To my knowledge they still stone and hang people and torture and beat people.There is still no voice but the islamic voice.Pedophilia is still legal.
Anything of western or modern influence is banned ,save that which they can use to further islam.
Now if you want an example of taqiya people you just got one.How on earth are we to believe that islam is translated to fit modern times when the whole hub bub is over how islam is unchangable.
So for us infedels there is nothing to worry about when muslims try to change the western laws and values because islam is everyday changing to fit the needs of the modern times.
My whole question is why would we in the first place want to change our laws and values to allow another to rule in it's place?
Are people still not understanding the questions?
We are not fighting against a religion we are fighting against a political agenda that uses religion.There is not a chance in hell that we won't offend it so don't worry about offending it.
The only thing islam does on a daily basis is feel the humiliation of it's lost glory.Maybe it hates pigs so much because islam is much like them,it wallows in it's stye.
I would love to keep talking to the Iranian but i think it will only get as far as my being racist,biggoted and islamophobic.The usual.
I just thought you would breathe easier knowing that Islam IS being translated to be a little more non neliever friendly,by Iran even.
Also that ice bridge in Florida is still for sale if anyone is interested.
Posted by: Dar al-harb at August 28, 2007 5:52 PM
So the old familiar race card gets brought into play again, and the all-too-predictable and spineless self-flagellating of the West gets under way faster than you can say 'Mohammed'. Any criticism of Islam, however valid, amounts to racism and bigotry in the tiny minds of Muslims and their Leftist hangers-on. No matter that the supreme practicioners of racism and bigotry on the planet are Muslims themselves - aided and abetted by Leftist boneheads. Nobody ever describes the burning of US and Israeli flags as bigotry, or the calling for the deaths of Jews and Americans as 'racism'. To Muslims and their Leftist 'symbiotic birds', this is acceptable behaviour. And to the brainless Left, only 'old whitey' can be a racist. Never the 'vulnerable brown person' who Leftists stereotype as Muslims, when Islam and its barbaric ways come under the spotlight.
Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at August 28, 2007 6:05 PM
Robert -
There appears to be some problem with the transmission from my computer. Is there anything that I can do to stop multi-transmissions of my postings?
Posted by: MusHuntCowboy at August 28, 2007 6:08 PM
"Speaking on behalf of the OIC, Khan told the meeting that "there has been a stark rise in hate crimes, discrimination, racial profiling and intolerance against Muslims in many countries."
Wouldn't it be refreshing if some courageous soul went to this confernce, stood up and told the delegates the unvarnished truth about their dysfunctional religion?
Don't look for any Western delegates to do it. They'll go and apologize in our names for our sins against Islam, and promise to do better in the future.
Posted by: rational at August 28, 2007 6:08 PM
Dar al-harb
Thats funny. I have a friend on yahoo 360 also. He doesnt like it when I tell the truth about Islam. He thinks he can reach out to the moderates. I offered some links from here at jihadwatch and he called you guys racists. If you want to let him know in a diplomatic way how you feel. Let him know.
http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-wIlk.tQ0eqG4VXAuRj90gAgju_THEgjPrcnUj9uy?p=408&n=28500
Posted by: Elric66 at August 28, 2007 6:26 PM
If defamation of Islam is wrong, then defamation of Christianity by Muslims is equally wrong. First we'll start with editing the Koran and then we'll get to removing the "racist" bits from the hadith. Then we'll start a Christian tolerance program in every Muslim country in the world to stop racism against Christians.
Islam is so arrogant and supremacist that they can not see that they are the most hypocritical people on the planet.
As for defamation against Islam: allah is not a god but the projection of Arabic ideals, mohammad was a murderer and pedophile, and Islam is sexist. All this is truth.
If the Western governments really are going to abandon freedom of thought, it is time for new governments.
Posted by: James Martel at August 28, 2007 6:29 PM
They will make sure that their 'conference' will be attended by every whining, winging African dictator, so the nutroots who already gobbled up the 'colonialism' bit are finally convinced that its all about racism, and that fake 'Islamophobia term' will be the final nail in the coffin...
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at August 28, 2007 6:32 PM
I have a request. Does anyone have the verse in the Qur'an or hadiths where jihad is given the greenlight to target women and children? The guy on 360 thinks Islam has some sort of moral code that prohibits it. I would greatly appreciate it if you coulds either post it here or his website. Thanks
Posted by: Elric66 at August 28, 2007 6:36 PM
If that's not chutzpah, I don't know what is!
Also, regarding someone's comment a couple days ago about how we hardly ever heard anything about complaints by moslems till after 9/11--- it occurred to me that 9/11 was the opening salvo in this war...especially since we in the US, particularly, failed to react to all the other prior incidents (marine barracks in Lebanon, khobar towers, the Cole bombing, embassies in Africa, etc.)
Posted by: eve_anne_gelical at August 28, 2007 6:41 PM
a global U.N. conference on racism planned for 2009
The conference is planned for 2009 . . .providing up to two years to break down the propaganda machine we witness getting in gear with this article.
Now there should flash on the screan a Benetton-ad look-alike, showing the smiling or sober faces of, inter alios, John Walker Lindh, Adam Gadahn, Richard Reid, Jose Padilla, Yvonne Ridley, Mohammad Atta, Sheikh Al-Qaradawi, Moqtada al-Sadr, and many others, of all races, all determined however to serve Islam, to serve the umma al-islamiyya, determined to accept what Allah sent down to seventh-century Arabia, to the last, the Seal, of the Prophets, and hasn't seen fit to change a word or a syllable since. Now have Lindh, and Reid, and Padilla, and Moqtada al-Sadr, and Yvonne Ridley, and the ghost of Ayatollah Khomeini, and Sheik Nasrallah, and Sheikh Fadlallah, and King Abdullah of Jordan, and Yusuf Islam, and everyone, all together now, singing "We are Islam. We are the world. We are the world. We are Islam." Repeat, according to taste. -posted by Hugh
How I wish I had the skill to put this idea - either on youtube or on a simple bumper sticker. Perhaps someone with photoshop and sound editing skills will take this task on.
Foehammer @ 4:19 . . .indeed.
at August 28, 2007 6:54 PM
l think undercover cops should video tape these meetings and wiretap meetings and tag these terrorists and follow them back to their dens. wack them when the time is right.
Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at August 28, 2007 6:58 PM
Its not an issue of islamophobia. I have no fear of muslims nor am I intimidated by such pressure groups who want to impose shariah law in the West and being ultra sensitive to muslims. There is nothing wrong about being wary of suspicious behaviour in public areas conducted by those who happen to be middle eastern nor is it considered phobic to stand up to the caliphates who want to conquer and incinerate the West and the freedoms we dearly value. I am just diagnosed with acrimony towards those 7th century throwbacks who want to destroy my way of life. P.C. indoctrination is not going to cure me. Maybe being worried for your security may a sickness according to some p.c. crock from CAIR. With that being said, I dare you to cure me and I'll conclude it with that.
Posted by: Jew Chick at August 28, 2007 7:17 PM
"Islamophobia" is something that would have been invented by Goebbels. Goebbels emphasised that it is very important to portray oneself as a "victim" in order to move aggressively against a target. Many Muslims are well aware of Goebbels' methods (it worked perfectly in the Sudetenland crisis of 1938 that resulted in Munich). Cartoon rage (kristallnacht, Sudeten riots) also work. Goebbels (and Hitler) both said it is essential to remain on offensive (constant accusations, charges, etc.) in propaganda.
As for Karen Armstrong: this woman has lived her whole life attached to institutions. She belongs in an institution. Outdoor cats (Robert, Hugh e.g.) are moving targets and that makes people like Armstrong nervous. She is an institutional type. She's never faced reality re herself. I'm sure that the people who fund her and flatter her laugh at her behind her back.
Posted by: Frank at August 28, 2007 8:17 PM
MY Islamic doctor's recommended cure for Islamophobia: "Convert to Islam or die"!
Posted by: pythagoras at August 28, 2007 8:18 PM
A Pakistani complaining of discrimination! This is a sickening attempt by the Islamic countries to retard us too.
What Christians are persecuting Pakistani Muslims? Or outlawing Muslim worship in SA? Oppressing Muslims in Turkey?
Who? What? Are the racists.
Also, when did religion become the color of your skin? Islam is an ideology that MUST be opposed. It is Satan's religion!
Posted by: ofcourse at August 28, 2007 8:29 PM
Christ Islam is fucked up. it comes along calls everyone else names tries to steals their religions and them complains when people get tired of being victimized by the ideology.
When the Meccans tired of being robbed by Mohallah, they fought back and lost, I hope we dont lose like they did, the street gang of Islam, the joke of a religion has gone on way to long
at August 28, 2007 8:38 PM
There has been a stark rise in hate crimes. Thanks to attacks by Europe's burgeoning Muslim population, many Jews have had to emigrate to Israel.
Posted by: jewdog at August 28, 2007 8:53 PM
"Are they going to address Kafurphobia too?"
Posted by: senor doeboy
It sounds to me as if they are, in effect, calling us the N-word when they use that word.
That's what racist whites in South Africa called blacks.
So what makes it okay for Muslims to call us that now? It's not our skin colour that makes us n...s to them but that's how they view us. And that's how they'll treat us if given half a chance.
So who's the racist?
(Just to be clear, I'm not addressing senor doeboy or accusing him/her of racism.)
Posted by: Josephine at August 28, 2007 10:17 PM
Foehammer,
ISLAMOMISIA--yeah, I like it! Does that make me an Islamomisiast, or what? How does that go? Now, maybe, I can be enthusiastically Islamomisiastic!
Anyway, F.A.: Islamomisia--Catch It! Run that baby up the flagpole and see if anyone salutes!
at August 28, 2007 10:35 PM
Foehammer,
About islamotedium--Hmm, now--I think John Derbyshire has a mild case of that; nothing to break into a sweat about, though.
at August 28, 2007 10:49 PM
Foehammer,
Now, about that Islamomisiast site of yours, Foe, I think you're giving holy Jihad and the Ikhwan in America, not to mention the Umma at large, a really bad name--keep up the GREAT WORK, Shaitan!
Posted by: John C at August 29, 2007 12:49 AM
Islam, an anti western ideology masquerading as a religion, responsible for the slaughter of countless thousands of jews, christians, and other followers of various non-muslim faiths over the past 1400 years ... and who are the vicims? The followers of Islam are the victims.
You have to marvel at how preposterous the premise is, and marvel even more at the number of idiots in the world who buy into this canard.
Posted by: Paleologos at August 29, 2007 1:35 AM
F.A.,
I suppose I mean, "Now, about that ISLAMOMISIC site of yours ..." There, that sounds more crisp and direct; a perfect self-descriptive substitute for "islamophobic," likewise "islamomisia" for "islamophobia," and [my guess] "islamomisiast" for "islamophobe." If these are fittingly accurate, and lacking vague imprecision or pejorative meaning, then we should introduce these terms as applicable, useful alternatives.
Posted by: John C at August 29, 2007 2:21 AM
F.A.,
I can't wait until, once widely disseminated, adopted and used, our foes castigate us for using "code words" for racism and intolerance! (Mission accomplished.)
Posted by: John C at August 29, 2007 2:43 AM
I'd say "Americanophobia" and the defamation of America are the most conspicuous forms of racism and intolerance today.
Posted by: yadayada at August 29, 2007 4:09 AM
New convert drivel: Islamadnauseum
Descriptive: F'ked up: Islamistic
Useful spray: Islamaicide
Cut out the poison: Islamectomy
Hollywood's new cool: Islamojiggy
Jew who converts to Islam: Islamaputz
Islamic "nines": Islam-yermama-dingdong
Juvenile ghetto taunt: Alla akbuh my soda crackuh my Gee.Tee.Oh. my bootyhoe!
Hyper-dyaperbad: Turban needs a good washing
Sorry, it's past my bedtime...
Posted by: Kemaste at August 29, 2007 4:29 AM
"The world since 2001 has not remained static and witnessed new forms of racism and racial discrimination,"
........................................
Hmm--what odd phrasing. You would think they would use a nice round number like 2000, or say "in the past five years" or some such. Did anything happen in 2001 that led to any suspicion of Islam? I can't think of a thing...
(sarcasm/off)
at August 29, 2007 4:52 AM
"
I have a request. Does anyone have the verse in the Qur'an or hadiths where jihad is given the greenlight to target women and children? The guy on 360 thinks Islam has some sort of moral code that prohibits it. I would greatly appreciate it if you coulds either post it here or his website. Thanks
Posted by: Elric66
Question:
Does Islam permit a man to hit his wife?
Summary Answer:
Yes, but only if she doesn't do as he asks. The beating must cease if the woman complies with her husband's demands. Beating is also intended to be the last resort, behind verbal abuse and abandonment.
Muhammad, himself, is recorded as physically striking his favorite wife (from her own testimony). It is not known how he treated his less-favored wives.
The Qur'an:
Sura (4:34) - "Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."
From the Hadith:
Bukhari (72:715) - A woman came to Muhammad and begged her to stop her husband from beating her. Her skin was bruised so badly that she it is described as being "greener" than the green veil she was wearing. Muhammad did not admonish her husband, but instead ordered her to return to him and submit to his sexual desires.
Muslim (4:2127) - Muhammad struck his favorite wife, Aisha, in the chest one evening when she left the house without his permission. Aisha narrates, "He struck me on the chest which caused me pain."
Additional Notes:
Muslim apologists often squirm over this relatively straightforward verse (4:34). Their masterful aerobics of denial inspired us to write an article:
Wife Beating- Good Enough for Muhammad, Good Enough for You
According to Islamic law, a husband may strike his wife for any one of the following four reasons:
- She does not attempt to make herself beautiful for him (ie. "let's herself go")
- She refuses to meet his sexual demands
- She leaves the house without his permission or a "legitimate reason"
- She neglects her religious duties
Any of these are also sufficient grounds for divorce.
Finally, when Muslim apologists sometimes say that Muhammad commanded that women not be harmed, they are actually basing this on what he said before or during battle, such as in Bukhari (59:447), when Muhammad orders that all the men of Quraiza be killed and the women and children be taken as slaves. (Having your husband murdered and being forced into sexual slavery apparently doesn't qualify as "harm" under the Islamic model).
But, in fact, there are a number of cases in which Muhammad did have women killed in the most brutal fashion. One was Asma bint Marwan, a mother or five, who wrote a poem criticizing the Medinans for accepting Muhammad after he had ordered the murder of an elderly man. In this case, the prophet's assassins literally pulled a sleeping infant from her breast and stabbed her to death.
After taking Mecca in 630, Muhammad also ordered the murder of a slave girl who had merely made up songs mocking him. The Hadith are rife as well with accounts of women planted in the ground on Muhammad's command and pelted to death with stones for sexual immorality.
In summary, according to both the Qur'an and Hadith, a woman may indeed have physical harm done to her if the circumstances warrant, with one such allowance being in the case of disobedience. This certainly does not mean that all Muslim men beat their wives, only that Islam allows them.
at August 29, 2007 6:29 AM
Thanks exbrown
I will use those but I meant in war. Where does it justify the killing of women and children?
Posted by: Elric66 at August 29, 2007 6:42 AM
I doubt he will be happy with what I added. Better read it quick before he deletes it.
:-)
http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-wIlk.tQ0eqG4VXAuRj90gAgju_THEgjPrcnUj9uy?p=408&n=28500
Posted by: Elric66 at August 29, 2007 7:02 AM
I will use those but I meant in war. Where does it justify the killing of women and children?
Posted by: Elric66
"Bukhari (52:256) - The Prophet... was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)." In this command, Muhammad establishes that it is permissible to kill non-combatants in the process of killing a perceived enemy. This provides justification for the many Islamic terror bombings.
at August 29, 2007 7:05 AM
Thanks. I will use this to throw his dhimmism in his face.
Posted by: Elric66 at August 29, 2007 11:31 AM
Elric66:
That person is a lost cause. Don't waste your breath. Some Christians insist on being fed to the lions to prove their Christian-ness.
You could mention to him that islam is the only world religion that doesn't have any variation of the golden rule that he/she is so fond of using to justify muslim accomodation/apologia.
Posted by: walterc at August 29, 2007 4:32 PM
Foehammer,
I heartily endorse using "Islamomisia" as a term for antipathy toward Islamism specifically, and (aspects and attributes of) Islam generally. When referring to a person, the word would be, most likely, "Islamomisist." This has utility--DO circulate the term, "Islamomisia," widely, at least so far as to give it a textbook definition, and demonstrate its usage and that of its derivatives.
As I say, the term has utility; especially, perhaps, by adding clarity and nuance to how we are generally perceived, as we try to show the validity of our views.
By way of analogy, would you characterize Right to Lifers as "pro-life" or "anti-choice"? Similarly, would you characterize Abortion Rights advocates as "pro-choice," "pro-[reproductive]freedom," or as "anti-life"? Notice how each camp strives to define itself?
Put into circulation, these neologisms of ours might, in some circles, be ascribed to us as a mild, condescending, and dismissive reproach; but not, IMO, as a stinging, pejorative rebuke--an epithet--as "islamophobia" is.
Posted by: John C
at August 29, 2007 6:06 PM
Most importantly, "Islamomisia" lacks the connotation of irrational fear and unreasoned prejudice that "Islamophobia" has.
at August 30, 2007 10:42 PM
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