What not raped or sodomized? Maybe islam is becomming moderate.

End sarcasm.

Posted by: Dar al-harb at September 2, 2007 7:42 PM

Rape and sodomy were also probably used during this conversion session. These aren't the types selling flowers at the airport or handing out tracts on streetcorners.

Islam means 'submission' doesn't it? At least it did last week...

Where are Naseem, Ataa, and DefenderofIslam when we need guidance on these matters?

Posted by: CapitalistGig at September 2, 2007 7:48 PM

So "peaceful," the Islamists.

There are not enough bad words that can be said about them. May they rot in hell with "allah," that doesn't exist.

Posted by: darcy at September 2, 2007 8:00 PM

It looks like you don't have to believe anything to become a muslim. Merely abide by sharia law and you're good to go. It doesn't involve the mind, it's all physical, mechanical even. No compulsion in religion indeed. Just going through the motions. Hey, even I can become a muslim.

Posted by: Kim Hartveld at September 2, 2007 8:09 PM

Mat 5:43-44
"You have heard that the law of Moses says, `Love your neighbor' and hate your enemy. But I say, love your enemies! Pray for those who persecute you!

Luke 6:22
God blesses you who are hated and excluded and mocked and cursed because you are identified with me, the Son of Man.

Quite a difference from the religion of Peace wouldn't you say!

حصير 5:43-44
"سمعت ان قانون موسى يقول' الحب الخاص بك والجار 'ويكرهون قيادتكم العدو. ولكن اقول الحب اعدائك! نصلي من اجل الذين اضطهاد لكم!

وقا 6:22
الله يبارك لك الذين مكروه ، واستبعد ويستهزئون وملعونه أنك حددت معي ، ابن رجل.

تماما فرقا من دين السلام لن اقول لكم

Posted by: Im.mad.as.HELL! at September 2, 2007 8:18 PM

But I thought the Qur'an said that there's no compulsion in religion? Ooops, it must have been abrogated by 9:73: "O Prophet, struggle against the unbelievers and hypocrites and be harsh with them", as well as a few other disciplinary verses of a similar nature.
The Taliban are a really a very intellectual bunch who only act after careful doctrinal analysis. They'd say: "Spare the rod, and spoil the Infidel."

Posted by: jewdog at September 2, 2007 8:21 PM

So typical of those brave followers of Muhammed , tie people up and beat them or behead them while 4 gutless thugs hold them down .

OR , just kidnap females that are easier to beat-up and abuse .

The 19 Hijackers on 9/11 weren't brave warriors for Muhammed that embraced martyrdome
to show their courage , they were cowards that feared living and had nothing to give to mankind
so death was their way out but they took 3000 of God's children just to please Allah and feed his hatred for those that don't submit (Islam) to the Islamofascist Doctrine in the Quran.

Posted by: ala-sux at September 2, 2007 8:22 PM

Would like to hear what these bastard apologists for CAIR have to say about this.

Aint you proud Ibrahim ?

All for their human rights aren't you Emsary ?

What lying sons of islam.

Posted by: dgene at September 2, 2007 8:33 PM

I don't know, Im.mad.as.HELL, the squigly stuff looks pretty good to me.

Posted by: Kim Hartveld at September 2, 2007 8:35 PM

Believe it was Bedier talking about "human rights"
for CAIR for the Florida duo in engineering.

Posted by: dgene at September 2, 2007 8:37 PM

Two kills, tens of millions in proceeds, plenty of jollies beating up bound hostages in the name of Allah, and now, its Miller Time.

We’ll have to do this again sometime.

Posted by: pez at September 2, 2007 8:59 PM

Still way to many of us live in perpetual denial that there exists such evil out there. We refuse to acknowledge its existence until we come face to face with it. We have people in our so-called institutions of higher learning insulting, and denigrating our military, we have people denigrating are police officers until they are forced to confront evil. Complacency,denial of evil is the venue of many of us who would prefer to remain as sheep and not confront the true face of evil and that is their right and their freedom to do so also. Thank god there are those of us who realize that there are wolves out there and we prefer to be sheep dogs trying to protect our flock of sheep from those wolves.

Posted by: Mackie at September 2, 2007 9:02 PM

I'm sure "moderate" Muslims worldwide will condemn the actions of the Taliban towards their South Korean hostages because, as we all know, Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance. Oh, by the way, there is no compulsion whatsoever to convert to the true faith--------Islam.

Holy hell, what will it take for the world en masse to realize the sickness which is Islam?

Posted by: Wellington at September 2, 2007 9:19 PM

darcy

"May they rot in hell with "allah," that doesn't exist."

In the Bible he does exist;
Allah in the Quran calls himself;

"Allah lord of the worlds"

In the Bible the word "ALLAH" is not found only who he is "LORD OF THE WORLDS"=the DEVIL
Eph 6:12
http://cf.blueletterbible.org/search/getBible.cfm?b=Eph&c=6&v=12&version=kjv#12

Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against "THE RULERS" of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].

Lexicon Results for "THE RULERS" is;
kosmokratōr (Strong's G2888)

1)LORD OF THE WORLD prince of this age
a) the DEVIL and his demons

QURAN [32.2] The sending down of the Book in which there is no doubt that is from the Lord of the Worlds.

Only found ONCE in the Bible;
AND NO WHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES GOD CALL HIMSELF "LORD OF THE WORLDS"
http://cf.blueletterbible.org/search/preSearch.cfm?Criteria=ruler*+G2888
Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 1

ALLAH
Lord of the Worlds in the Quran
(26 occurances in 26 verses.)
http://quran.eyesalve.org/2957.htm

Posted by: Joe Schmoe USA at September 2, 2007 9:20 PM

Had a thought while scrolling through some of the posts on some of the articals here. Seems to me that Mohammod and Hitler had much in common.

Both wrote books telling "the masses" what is good for them, both had/have a core of followers that follow the dogma put forth in said books.

Both used fear hate and intimidation as an excuse to rape, rob, plunder, murder and commit general mayhem. Both have/had apoligests defending their actions.

Both used their hoards to try to rule the world.

I am sure there are many other similarites, however I have neither the time nor the inclination, nor am I the best typist/wordsmith in the world.

Seems to be the biggest difference between the two is that the islamic "riech" has lasted and Hitlers failed. That and the fact that the Nazies wern't stuck in the 7th century, were open to new ideas and technoligy which the were willing to design and use themselves.

Just a thought. If any body wishes to expand on this please feel free, hell there might even be an artical on this,or even a Govt grant to study this. (Just kidding on the last part but ya never know!)

Posted by: ooddballz at September 2, 2007 9:28 PM

How are prisoners of war treated in Islam?

Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

Islam is the religion of mercy and justice; it commands us to call others to the religion of Allaah in a kind and good manner, and to encourage people to enter this great religion.
[b]If some people persist in rejecting the religion of Allaah and stand in the way of ruling by that which Allaah has revealed on earth, or they fight against the call to Allaah, then we give them the choice of three things:

Either they become Muslim; or if they refuse they pay the jizyah (whereby they pay a specified amount to the Muslims in return for being allowed to remain their land, and the Muslims undertake to protect them); or, if they refuse that, there is nothing left but the way which they themselves have chosen, which is fighting and dealing violently with those who have persecuted the Muslims and put obstacles in the path of the Islamic da’wah. [/b]In this way the Muslims will gain the upper hand and the enemies will be humiliated; then when we have killed and wounded many of them and gained the upper hand over them,
we may take prisoners and bind a bond firmly on them [cf. Muhammad 47:4], because in that case it is more in tune with the idea of mercy by choice (not because we are afraid of them); at that point war should not continue any longer than is necessary.
War in Islam should not be waged for the sole purpose of shedding blood or seeking vengeance.
If the Muslims capture them and take them to a place that has been prepared for them, they should not harm them or torture them with beatings, depriving them of food and water, leaving them out in the sun or the cold, burning them with fire, or putting covers over their mouths, ears and eyes and putting them in cages like animals.
Rather they should treat them with kindness and mercy, feed them well and encourage them to enter Islam.
Thumaamah ibn Athaal – the leader of Bani Haneefah – was brought (to Madeenah) as a prisoner and tied to one of the pillars of the mosque.
The Messenger(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) came to him and said, “What do you think, O Thumaamah?” He said, “What I think, O Muhammad, is good.
If you kill me, you will kill one with blood on his hands – i.e., I will deserve to be killed because I have killed Muslims – and if you release me you will release one who will be grateful.
If you want money,then ask, and I will give you whatever you want.” The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) left him for three days, and each day he would come and ask him similar questions, and Thumaamah would give similar answers.
After the third day,
he commanded that he should be released. Thumaamah went to a stand of date-palms near the mosque where he bathed (did ghusl), then he came to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and said, “I bear witness that there is no god except Allaah and I bear witness that Muhammad is the slave of Allaah and His Messenger.”
Then he said: “O Messenger of Allaah, by Allaah there was no one on earth whose face was more hateful to me than yours, but now your face is the most beloved of all faces to me.
By Allaah, there was no religion that was more hateful to me than your religion, but now your religion has become the most beloved of all religions to me.
By Allaah, there was no land more hateful to me than your land, but now your land has become the most beloved to me. Your cavalry captured me when I was on my way to perform ‘Umrah, so what do you think I should do?”
The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) congratulated him, and told him to go for ‘Umrah. When he came to Makkah, someone asked him, “Have you changed your religion?” He said, “No, but I have submitted with the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and by Allaah you will not get a grain of wheat from al-Yamaamah unless the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) gives permission.”
Think about this story, may Allaah bless you, and how the kind treatment of Thumaamah led to his embracing Islam, which could not have happened were it not primarily by the grace of Allaah, and also the kind treatment which Thumaamah received.
In the Qur’aan, Allaah says of the righteous (interpretation of the meaning):
“And they give food, in spite of their love for it (or for the love of Him), to the Miskeen (the poor), the orphan, and the captive,
(Saying): ‘We feed you seeking Allaah’s Countenance only. We wish for no reward, nor thanks from you’”
[al-Insaan 76:8-9]
Ibn Katheer (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “Ibn ‘Abbaas said: in those days their prisoners were mushrikeen; on the day of Badr the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) commanded them to be kind to their prisoners, so they used to put them before themselves when it came to food…
Mujaahid said, this refers to the one who is detained, i.e., they would give food to these prisoners even though they themselves desired it and loved it.”
The ruling on tying up prisoners:
It is well known that if prisoners are able to escape they will not hesitate to do so, because they may be afraid of dying and they do not know what awaits them.

Hence the Muslims were commanded to tie up their prisoners and to tie their hands to their necks, lest they run away. This is something that still happens and is well known to all people.

The wisdom behind permitting the taking of prisoners is so as to weaken the enemy and ward off his evil by keeping him away from the battlefield so that he cannot be effective or play any role; it also creates a means of freeing Muslim prisoners by
trading the prisoners whom we are holding.
Detaining prisoners

[b]Prisoners should be detained until it is decided what is the best move. The ruler of the Muslims should detain prisoners until he decides what is in the Muslims’ best interests.

He may ransom them for money, or exchange them for Muslim prisoners, or release them for nothing in return, or distribute them among the Muslims as slaves, or kill the men, but not the women and children, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade killing the latter. [/b]
The purpose behind detaining prisoners is so that the Muslims may be protected from their evil.

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to enjoin the Muslims to treat prisoners well, whereas the Romans and those who came before them the Assyrians and Pharaohs, all used to put out their prisoners’ eyes with hot irons, and flay them alive, feeding their skins to dogs, such that the prisoners preferred death to life.

Ahkaam al-Sijn wa’l-Sujana’ wa Mu’aamalat al-Sujana’ fi’l-Islam by Hasan Abi’l-Ghuddah, 256 (www.islam-qa.com)

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at September 2, 2007 9:39 PM

Joe Schmoe: Only found ONCE in the Bible;
AND NO WHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES GOD CALL HIMSELF "LORD OF THE WORLDS"
http://cf.blueletterbible.org/search/preSearch.cfm?Criteria=ruler*+G2888
Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 1

ALLAH
Lord of the Worlds in the Quran
(26 occurances in 26 verses.)
http://quran.eyesalve.org/2957.htm

Our God stands for not for lording over us, but to let us be free in our individual choices. We humanity find our own way as free agents of God. The devil's allah would lord over the world, to make us all his slaves. Can you see the difference? Freedom on one hand, our God - slavery on the other, Mohammed's allah. Any wonder they are so evil? Moslems are children of Satan.
And they lie like the Devil.

Posted by: Battle_of_Tours at September 2, 2007 9:58 PM

Kaosktrl,

I am not familiar with you or any previous posts. Hence I am unsure whether you are a Muslim who truly believes what you have written, or if you are a non-Muslim just writing to stir the pot. Whatever the case, you have written the truth regarding Islam.

If you are a non-Muslim, it is good to see that you reveal the truth of the choices that Islam puts before the infidels. If you are a Muslim, I will see you on the battlefield. My country has trained me to use a rifle to protect the freedoms that we have here. I would gladly use it against any Muslim who tries to impose his religion on me.

The fight will be to death. I will never submit to Islam.

Posted by: aussie_antipodean at September 2, 2007 10:05 PM

I wondered whether members of the religion of peace raped these young women. Given the rabid sexism within Islam, this is likely. If so, I hope they let this be known so the world can understand how evil radical Islam is. I suspect millions of non-Muslim women over the years have been raped by members of the worlds most sexist religion. On Judgement Day when Islam is exposed as the Devil's Great Lie, the truth will be told and judgement dished out to unrepentant Taliban.

Posted by: James Martel at September 2, 2007 10:21 PM

Your comments on the Hebrew Bible? My corrections here.

The "Law of Moses" nowhere says to "hate your enemy". If you think I'm wrong, cite chapter and verse, and I'll check it against the original Hebrew. But - you're wrong.

Psalms 145:13, my translation: "Your kingdom is a kingdom of all worlds..." Sorry, but my Hebrew is better than King James's Hebrew. Allegorical significance - referring to this world and the next, or to mystical beliefs about multiple levels of creation.

Posted by: Surak at September 2, 2007 10:37 PM

There is no allah and since there is no allah, he could not possibly speak to mo'. In fact, mo' was an epileptic who heard voices inside his head, those voices that all psychiatric exams ask one about. If I had I certainly would not cop out to it or venerate the person who did.

Posted by: pismopal at September 2, 2007 10:48 PM

Surak

Is your Bible the Latin Vulgate? The King's Bible is shy a few books...

Posted by: CapitalistGig at September 2, 2007 10:59 PM

This is from the Scotsman:

href=http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=1398982007

"Park also told Yonhap that the Taleban tried to sexually assault some of the women, but that two of the male hostages fought them off."

Posted by: Vera at September 2, 2007 11:23 PM

This is from the Scotsman:
http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=1398982007

"Park also told Yonhap that the Taleban tried to sexually assault some of the women, but that two of the male hostages fought them off."

Posted by: Vera at September 2, 2007 11:24 PM

Something for the kids;
http://www.muhammaddressup.com/

Posted by: Joe Schmoe USA at September 2, 2007 11:37 PM

Kaosktrl: I'm not sure where you're coming from, but you provide ample evidence that Islam is only seemingly merciful and sapient. In fact, what you conveyed helps prove that Mohammed's creed is underneath it all pure spiritual totalitarianism. What Islam has to offer, no human being who appreciates what the best of Western Civilization accomplished-----democracy, the invention of philosophy, the development of the scientific method, the emphasis on the dignity and worth of the individual, the freedom to be wrong without fear of retribution-----could ever embrace or laud what Robert Spencer has rightfully called "the world's most intolerant religion." And the numbers are growing exponentially of those who see Islam for the true menace to human freedom that all totalitarian systems have posed to human beings through the ages.

Islam will eventually not prevail because it is in the nature of man to yearn for and achieve freedom, not submission. Unfortunately, I fear much death and destruction will ensue before the blight which is the Islamic religion will perish from the earth. Such is the case with all totalitarian systems which have taken hold of the minds of a significant or dominant portion of mankind. It's a tragedy of the highest order and Islam is as culpable here as any perversion masquerading as wisdom that has ever existed.

Posted by: Wellington at September 2, 2007 11:46 PM

@Surak

You are correct as far as I can tell. It does not say 'hate your enemy' in the Bible. Notice Jesus used the wording "you have heard" or "it has been said" in the sermon on the mount. The point is that he was referring to what the teachers of the law had told them i.e. their interpretation. They had in this teaching and many of the others added or changed the original text. He did not criticize them directly he just used it as a starting point to raise the ladder of responsibility so to speak.

Anyway the important thing is to love your enemies. In this age 'love' has lost it's meaning in many ways. The meaning here is to treat him with respect and don't lower yourself to his level. It does not mean to have an affection for him. An example of this is how Gen. MacArthur treated the emperor of Japan or how we tried the German command after the war.

Thanks for asking, keep me honest.

Posted by: Im.mad.as.HELL! at September 2, 2007 11:56 PM

Sick! Sick! Sick! times 10,000

The non-Muslim head of the Anthropology Department at the University of Toronto, defends Muslim genital mutilation, and blames the "colonialist" mentality for moral objections to it.

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/editorialsletters/story.html?id=0b523d09-6b30-44d0-9765-d05a6e50e1a6

Time to admit a pathetic fact: Since 9-11, we have retreated on making a majority in the West, susceptible to learning the depthless depravity of Islam, and the inherent aggression of Muslims. Belligerent Muslims are pouring into our countries and making social demands that encroach on our core values. Jihadi academics are honored at our educational institutions. Even Bush's lame response to 9-11 is unravelling. We are losing.

Posted by: supercargo at September 3, 2007 12:21 AM

supercargo: Thanks for the article on a true useful idiot, Professor Boddy, who thinks the real problem was British imperialism and not present female genital "alteration." Well, there's a sucker born every minute indeed, regardless of how many higher education degrees such a person might attain.

Also, may I encourage you to cheer up a bit. We will lose some battles in this war against Islamic terror we're in, but eventually the war will be won by those who treasure freedom. No Muslim treasures freedom as the Greeks, Romans, British, Americans, Dutch, Danes, Poles, etc. have understood the term. Muslims treasue submission, subservience. That's why they'll lose. After all, New Hampshire's motto, Live Free or Die, which could (and should) be the motto of the entire Western world, will be forever lost on Muslims. That kind of ignorance is lethal. That's why we'll win.

Posted by: Wellington at September 3, 2007 12:44 AM

There is no allah and since there is no allah, he could not possibly speak to mo'. In fact, mo' was an epileptic who heard voices inside his head, those voices that all psychiatric exams ask one about. If I had I certainly would not cop out to it or venerate the person who did.
Posted by: pismopal
well we have to remember that in that time no one understood what mental disease or epilepsy is and to them it would seem like a grand mal epileptic attack and hearing voices afterwards would seem like God was talking with them.
And as to the hostages of course they would try to rape the women
All married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess."
You can't have sex with married women, unless they are slaves obtained in war (with whom you may rape or do whatever you like).
4:25 And whoso is not able to afford to marry free, believing women, let them marry from the believing maids whom your right hands possess. Allah knoweth best (concerning) your faith
now to the Taliban these women would have been captives taken in battle so as such would have been the women that their right hands possess and unless they became Muslims would have been targets for rape by any horny taliban

Posted by: mowasaperv at September 3, 2007 12:53 AM

I wonder whether the MSM will report this story in a fair way. I do not think that I have seen anything so far about the story. They have mentioned that they have arrived back in Sth. Korea, but I have not seen anything regarding the beatings.

Posted by: OzzieAussie at September 3, 2007 1:14 AM

I suppose a good sound beating is Islams answer to a Billy Graham crusade.

Posted by: rational at September 3, 2007 1:44 AM

That's probably the only way an educated, learned person would ever converto to islamo-nazism: beating them.

I hope Farfur Fibrahim comments on these.

Posted by: Crusader at September 3, 2007 4:14 AM

Followers of the "Anti-Christ" in action..

Conversion techniques needed by "Islam" to convince the unbelievers of the greatness of Islamic Teachings, the religion of peace, by Physical Coercion, Mental (threat of death by the sword, gun, rope, etc.)

Not many convert if they have "choice".

Similar techniques used by Mormons, Christians, Hindus, Budhists, Taoist, etc..

Posted by: Panentheist at September 3, 2007 4:41 AM

Similar techniques used by Mormons, Christians, Hindus, Budhists, Taoist, etc..

Posted by: Crusader at September 3, 2007 5:44 AM

Sorry Kaosktrl
You dont know the Quran well enough. Allah prescribes revenge in for example 2;178 and 179, one of the last revelations in Medina.
Allah's role model for Muslims confirmed this modus operandi was perfectly in order, as is helpfully recorded in those embarrassing early Islamic works.

Posted by: tommy at September 3, 2007 6:18 AM

Tell it to the SHeik
http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=13241&ln=eng&txt=prisoners

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at September 3, 2007 6:59 AM

Sorry Wellington
"Islam will eventually not prevail because it is in the nature of man to yearn for and achieve freedom, not submission"
That statement is not true, you can see this in the USA as people vote for more government and a nanny state , all over the world people ask to be taken care of rather than to be free to do for themselves, people are lazy ,frightened and docile.Islam promises a purpose for life and rules and conditions, As brave as many say they are Islam is being introduced slowly in the boiled frog routine .MAny will take it.

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at September 3, 2007 7:05 AM

ISLAMIC MATHS:

The Taliban beat the hostages in order to make their religion grow fast.

So they can say that "Islam is the fastest growing religion."

But those Koreans just disn't get it.

-Islam also grows fast when two towers filled with mostly infidels are blown up.

-It also grows fast when trains in an infidel nation are blown up at peak hour.

The proportion of infidels becomes less.

Posted by: rocky at September 3, 2007 7:22 AM

ANother example of Islam isnt about faith but power and control

Posted by: Elric66 at September 3, 2007 8:12 AM

CapitalistGig - my Bible is not the Vulgate, but rather the original Hebrew Bible.

Posted by: Surak at September 3, 2007 8:36 AM

I see, I am not Jewish. I'm still learning Greek and Latin. Is yours written in Hebrew or Aramaic?

Posted by: CapitalistGig at September 3, 2007 8:41 AM

People, KAOSKTRL is NOT a Mohammedan.

Go to his website and find lots of good info.

And Joe Schmoe, thanks for your "Lord of the Worlds" info. No, "allah" AIN'T our Judeo-Christian God/Jesus Christ. Nope. No way, No how.

Posted by: darcy at September 3, 2007 9:24 AM

Yes, there could have been rape as these mutants want to spread their demonic seed. Hence, I favor abortion. The lack of vitamin D caused by black sheet covered muslim moms begets crazy son bombers.

Posted by: Truthseeker at September 3, 2007 10:23 AM

Never in my life, when I read the Bible, went to church, prayed or thought about my beliefs, did I imagine that Christians were still persecuted for their faith. I did not know that there were people of one particular religion who would beat, torture, rape and kill Christians who refused to denounce Jesus. Yet it is happening, has been happening all along.

Ignorance was bliss while it lasted.

I am glad to learn that many (most? all?) did not denounce their Lord despite being kidnapped and abused by savages.

Posted by: Josephine at September 3, 2007 12:45 PM

Whether true or not, why don't the headlines of every major publication in the Western World state that the hostages were 'tortured, raped, starved, subjected to terrible cartoons of Jesus, etc.'?

We can only win if we play by their rules.

Posted by: ItAintRight at September 3, 2007 1:32 PM

Kaostrel:
Mohammmmad had murdered up to 900 jewish prisoners. O yes one woman was executed as well. Tell that to the "Sheik"
Know your Islamic history and dont give me it rewritten for Western consumption
I of course assume you then believe the Taleban arent Muslims but they do so act like Mohammad.....

Posted by: tommy at September 3, 2007 3:32 PM

Kaostrel: You have a point that many people in the West want to be taken care of, but I reaffirm my conviction that, in the long run, the desire to be free will supercede all other factors. That's why the nanny state, Islam and all such freedom-inhibiting systems (which doesn't include either Judaism or Christianity, both of which work quite well with institutions of freedom) are ultimately doomed to fail.

Posted by: Wellington at September 3, 2007 3:45 PM

Those Taliban and other extremists are born out of pig shit. There are no other people anywhere who are so awful, except for Muslims. What a religion.

Posted by: Hebrew Handyman at September 4, 2007 9:06 PM

Kaosktrl wrote:

Think about this story, may Allaah bless you, and how the kind treatment of Thumaamah led to his embracing Islam,
...................................................

Yep--nothing quite as indicative of mercy as tying a guy to a pillar for three days under threat of death.

BTW--I think it is unlikely that Kaosktrl is a troll--his name links to something called infidelnation.org. My search engine is too old and creaky to access it, but with a URL like that, I think it is likely that he (or she) is fighting the good fight, and that the post above was meant to enlighten rather than provoke.

Posted by: gravenimage at September 4, 2007 11:17 PM