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For awhile it looked as if the banning of Jihad Watch by various organizations and net filters had been successfully reversed. Then last week I started to get emails from readers again, telling me that suddenly Jihad Watch was no longer accessible at their place of work, and showed up as being banned for promoting "violence," "hate," "racism," or some variation of those things. There is considerable evidence that this is the result of a campaign targeting Jihad Watch and other sites and trying to get net filtering services to ban them.
I don't know what is the motivation behind this campaign, but whatever it is, it isn't truth. Jihad Watch doesn't promote violence, hate, or racism, and I doubt that the companies that have banned it really want to be on record as approving of jihad violence, the forcible subjugation of religious minorities and the denial to them of equality of rights, the commodification of women, and the other elements of Islamic supremacism that we are working against here.
So far the main problem comes from Sonic Wall, a popular net filtering service. Many people whose employers use Sonic Wall have contacted us in the last few days to tell us that Jihad Watch is no longer accessible. We have appealed to them to change their designation of the site, but to no avail so far. Also currently blocking Jihad Watch is SurfControl, and SafeSurf.
If your company uses any of these filters, or if you are just concerned about the ability of a few malicious individuals to smear and censor the work we are doing here, please contact Sonic Wall, Surf Control, and Safe Surf. Write to them politely and ask them to remove the designation, explaining that this site stands in defense of the dignity and rights of every human being, and those who insist otherwise generally resort to outright lies about what I have advocated here in order to make their case.
And please use the "Contact Us" box you'll find on the left-hand column to keep me posted as to what kind of a response you get.
Hearty thanks to all who can help with this.
Posted by Robert at September 4, 2007 6:07 AM
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Atlas Shrugs was recently banned by Sonic Wall, too:
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2007/09/atlas-readers-f.html
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at September 4, 2007 6:32 AM
The net filtering services, I'll bet, have no agenda. They are probably just responding to a continuous drip, drip, drip of complaints from Muslims that Jihad Watch is a "hate" site, though the complainers have never been able to point to a single "hate" statement by Robert Spencer.
This is likely to be an ongoing problem, due to the simple fact that there are now by some counts three million Muslims in the U.S. When you have those kinds of numbers, then there is always going to be someone in the Muslim community at any given moment who happens to be writing a complaint against Jihad Watch.
That's why it's not enough for us to publicize the totalitarian aspects of Islam. If we don't achieve a moratorium on further Muslim immigration to the U.S., the problem of stopping Islamization here will tend to become more and more intractable -- as it seems to have become in Europe.
People underestimate the problem, because it's not just that we have three million Muslims -- those Muslims have all kinds of connections to the rest of the nation. Economic connections, familial connections, social connections. So they have signifiant numbers of non-Muslim allies. So huge opposition develops to any attempt to resist Islamization.
Posted by: traeh at September 4, 2007 7:02 AM
SurfControl also has my site banned, as well as Foehammer's Anvil. I tried sending them Email, but to no avail.
The interesting thing is their mission statement says that they protect your computer from malicious web sites. I fail to see how Jihad Watch, Foehammer's Anvil, and my site are malicious...
Cheers,
Posted by: Doctor Bulldog at September 4, 2007 7:54 AM
SonicWall also has my whole domain Listed as
Category 1:
Violence/Hate/Racism
It's just a simple message board
They also have thereligionofpeace.com listed as Category 1:
Violence/Hate/Racism
securecomputing.com has me listed of all thing pornography
Is the phony Reverend and his cadre of misguided zealots behind this
Posted by: Lady Predator at September 4, 2007 8:12 AM
Address and other contact info for offices around World
one US office:
SurfControl, Inc.
5550 Scotts Valley Drive
Scotts Valley CA, 95066
USA
General: (831) 440-2500 info@surfcontrol.com
General Fax: (831) 440-2740
Tech Support: (831) 440-2700 support.us@surfcontrol.com
Customer Service: (800) 368-3366 customerservice@surfcontrol.com
SurfControl Company Information
Company Name:
SurfControl PLC
Registered number: 1566321
Place of registration:
England and Wales
Registered office address:
Riverside, Mountbatten Way, Congleton, Cheshire, CW12 1DY, United Kingdom
"SurfControl is the leader in the Content Security market, which analysts expect to reach nearly $2 billion by 2007. "
Posted by: Old Atlantic at September 4, 2007 8:32 AM
The madness of the political correctness that can kill us and certainly makes us vulnerable and unsafe.
To not speak the truth in open forum, as one sees it, to be silenced - is stupidity and social suicide.
These blockers are foolish.
Posted by: dgene at September 4, 2007 8:35 AM
These corporations are filtering political speech. This may be a form of political activity which might fall under a variety of laws.
Hillary Clinton said that public attention to the terrorism issue helps Republicans. Polls show that as well.
Posted by: Old Atlantic at September 4, 2007 8:41 AM
I filled out the contact form on the "Sonic Wall" site and asked that they stop their banning of Jihad Watch.
If I get a response, I will alert JW, as per Mr. Spencer's request.
Posted by: darcy at September 4, 2007 8:51 AM
Jihad Watch covers activities of foreign governments that the US does not maintain diplomatic relations with, e.g. Iran. By blocking Jihad Watch are these corporations acting as unregistered foreign agents of Iran?
Some of these companies may sell services to countries like Saudi Arabia or UAE? They may be unregistered foreign agents of these countries? Surf Control isn't even a US corporation. Surf Control has offices in China among other countries.
China acts to block net surfing and filter speech. Surf Control is helping China is a possible inference from its having an office there. Surf Control thus may be engaged in blocking sites from China. Does it also assist in tracking people in China who are later tortured or killed?
Posted by: Old Atlantic at September 4, 2007 8:52 AM
JW is used by various organizations or individuals to learn about and thus fight terrorism and terrorist organizations including al Qaeda. Are these surf blocking companies giving aid to al Qaeda? JW helps disseminate information on terrorism risk in the US. Do these organizations impair government and non-government efforts to avoid or mitigate death or damages from terrorism and from al Qaeda in particular?
Posted by: Old Atlantic at September 4, 2007 8:56 AM
The way things are going now, in ten years it will be illegal to look at a muslim cross-eyed.
Posted by: TriadBeast at September 4, 2007 10:00 AM
"The way things are going now, in ten years it will be illegal to look at a muslim cross-eyed."
That's right, only crescent eyes will be allowed.
-XRDC
Posted by: XRDC at September 4, 2007 10:05 AM
Jihad Watch is now listed and categorized as "Blogs & Forums " at Surf Control.
There has been quite a war going on over this at Foehammers Anvil and 1389's Blog over the past few days. Some success had been realized.
Posted by: sounder at September 4, 2007 10:07 AM
search sonicwall China
Sonicwall opened up an R and D center in Shanghai China. This gives China the ability to know the Sonicwall system so that it can penetrate corporate security? This lets China spy on US corporations?
US companies are buying Sonicwall to keep China from spying on them. But Sonicwall has its R and D center in Shanghai China, which may give Chinese intelligence all the secrets of the system. Then they can spy on US companies? Why would any US company want its internet security provided by a company with its research department in Shanghai?
Yahoo was sued with allegations it helped China jail and torture a dissident.
Companies with relations with foreign governments or entities that restrict political speech in the US are not in the same legal situation as screening a porn site in the US?
Posted by: Old Atlantic at September 4, 2007 10:24 AM
SonicWALL Opens R&D Centre In Shangai
"SonicWALL’s R&D centre (in Shanghai China) is headed up by Vice General Manager Zhong Chen, who was previously director of engineering at SonicWALL in Sunnyvale, California."
BTW, China is run by the Communist Party still. So the Chinese government is an organization of the Chinese Communist Party.
Posted by: Old Atlantic at September 4, 2007 10:37 AM
I once before emailed the "contact us" folks of this site and made a very simple proposition:
Place Jihadwatch main page with authorized contributors on one IP address/ domain, and the comments section on a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT IP BLOCK RANGE AND DOMAIN HOSTING SERVICE. This way the official site and the peanut gallery can be separated. I can assure you (advice from someone in the biz), that the peanut gallery commentary is where this site gets the banning problems from! Some of the comments are quite alarming and certainly controversial. However they are not crucial to achieving the primary goal of jihadwatch.org, but rather a supplementary of mixed and unofficial observations. Nice to have but hardly essential.
It is a completely simple thing to link the button for comments on each segment instead of to a subdirectory on the main site, to a completely different site altogether, and thus that site can then be subject to screening. You can post and read commentaries from home or from a non filtered computer instead.
To do things the way they are currently is going to be throwing the baby out with the bathwater, but the screeners can hardly be blamed for wanting to filter out at least part of the site. Some of the commentaries, everyone has to admit - if they are honest about it - are questionable to be viewing especially at a workplace, or public computer.
at September 4, 2007 10:37 AM
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Posted by: Old Atlantic at September 4, 2007 10:47 AM
Banned? A sign that the Truth is being told and it's making them squirm.
Posted by: champ at September 4, 2007 11:00 AM
JW doesn't promote "violence," "hate," or "racism", the Quran does!
Their actions to censor reminds me of the mentality of a Muslim I was arguing with on YouTube yesterday. Despite having given much evidence that Islam is a totalitarian regime and that it in no way respects women, the Muslim kept insisting Islam respects women and people of other religions. The delusion is such that they cannot even recognize the difference between God and Allah. They even try to defend Islam with Christian concepts!
They complain about dictatorships in Islamic countries and at the same time they condemn the West for not being Muslim, yet they fail to grasp that it is the West that introduced and is still introducing democracy into Islamic countries. They say Islam respects non-Muslims, yet in no Muslim country are they respected or have equality. They say Islam respects women, yet you don't have to look hard anywhere to see that it is otherwise. You even point out the crazy things about Islam, and they are like "duh."
They believe what they want to believe.
Posted by: ofcourse at September 4, 2007 11:08 AM
Well the Air Force doesnt block jihadwatch, I can attest to that.
Posted by: Elric66 at September 4, 2007 11:09 AM
I emailed them and thanked them for Supporting Islam .
Posted by: AllahSnackbar at September 4, 2007 11:13 AM
Looks like Surf Control has reclassified this site, since I can access it again. That's great, since as far as I'm concerned sites like these provide news, even if that news is unpleasant.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at September 4, 2007 11:18 AM
By Christian concepts I mean that God does not need your help to punish someone. This obviously has no basis in Islam as anyone can see.
God has no use for Muslim robots, but I'm sure Satan does.
Frankly, Muslims' minds are all over the place trying to protect something very ugly.
Posted by: ofcourse at September 4, 2007 11:40 AM
Feel the power of the Ummah.
Posted by: Charles Bogle at September 4, 2007 11:48 AM
I would like to see a detailed list of companies that are participating in this roundabout usurping of the US Constitution. They may legally have the right to do this but I believe it is a bastardization of everything this country was founded on and so I also have the right not to do business with them with those who do business with them and so on all the way down the line. Not one nickel, not one man hour not one finger lifted when the totalitarians they support come hunting for their heads. I am developing a bunker mentality, anything and everything inside my bunker must be secure and trustworthy otherwise I am a fool participating in the compromising of my own position my own world. Webcensors and the filthy rats that work and decide, yes right now they are the deciders Mr. Bush not you, now I have been forced to become a decider as well and my decision is, money talks, bs walks. So start talking with your money it is the only thing they understand. I would love to see these rats turned over to the taliban while there are still a few left, I know, I say that all the time, well, I have a dream, but until that day comes the power of the people combined with the power of the wallet works miracles. Target these companies for bankruptcy don’t associate with anyone who works or does business with them live and buy patriotic American, the life and country you save may be your own.
Posted by: tgusa at September 4, 2007 12:11 PM
HardBody,
I thought these ISP internet filters were searching for words, not words in context.
For example, If Robert wrote about the genocide in Darfur by African Muslims or Ahmadinejad from Iran uttered again that Israel would be wiped off the map, and still enrichening plutonium in an attempt to ascertain nukes, wouldn't the internet filters simply see:
Muslim + genocide or nukes + Iran?
They don't spam for context, do they? If not, then JW's main site would be held accountable under the same parameters, with similar results in my estimation.
Posted by: awake at September 4, 2007 12:28 PM
"I don't know what is the motivation behind this campaign, but whatever it is, it isn't truth".
It's part of the Nazi-style "spiritual terror" tactics recommended by Hitler and Goebbels. Fibrahim Hooper and other liars are adept at these tactics. As Hitler noted, the "weaklings" will trow the truth tellers to the wolves "just to have peace". Mein Kampf is very popular among Muslims (particularly in the Mideast) and a great deal has been learned from Hitler and Goebbels re propaganda. Goebbels noted it is very important (Sudetenland style, etc.) to position oneself as a "victim" as one engages in aggression.
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Hitler (from Mein Kampf) on the methods he learned in Vienna on how to silence critics: "I understood the infamous spiritual terror which this movement exerts, particularly on the bourgeoisie, which is neither morally nor mentally equal to such attacks; at a given sign it unleashes a veritable barrage of lies and slanders against whatever adversary seems most dangerous (JW, e.g.), until the nerves of the attacked persons break down (JW and others, e.g.) and, just to have peace again, they (the PC in media and govt) sacrifice the hated individua(s).
However, the fools obtain no peace.
The game begins again and is repeated over and over until fear of the mad dog results in suggestive (PC) paralysis.........Conversely, they praise every (PC) weakling ("Moe Howard-Zachary Smith Distinguished professor Karl Ernst", e.g.?)on the opposing side, sometimes cautiously, sometimes loudly, depending on the real or supposed quality of his intelligence".
In regard to the "spiritual terror" tactics of Hitler (noted above), William Shirer (page 23, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich) said: "No more precise analysis of Nazi tactics, as Hitler was eventually to develop them, was ever written".
at September 4, 2007 2:37 PM
I am 100% convinced that all efforts to block Jihad Watch are coming from an Islamic militants and Communist fifth column that have jointly block-purchased shares of media stock companies and their controlling stocks. I consider this to be extremely serious.
We are clearly in need of some type of highly professional domestic intelligence-legal agency to get to the bottom of this and begin efforts to unravel it. I doubt the FBI will touch it. But there has to be some organization that will hadnle this. Any suggestion from JW?
Notice that no one is blocking the DAILY KOS with its hateful and endless rantings against Christian rightwing Americans. Leftwing "hate" ia now getting a free pass at all levels. Leftist hate is evidently not hate-
And we can plainly see that it's socially and legally acceptable to "hate" Americans for being Christian and "conservative" and at the same time informing the US public that forces at work in the US such as Islam and Communism teach first degree murder, expansionism, and anti-American doctrine in the form of multiply-told libels get free passes. Hate becomes non-hate by dint of political agenda.
Hate is not hate if Islam and Communism use it to continue the destruction of the United States. And when ol' fascist Vladimir Putin can gain from it...
This is not the work of 'average' Americans. It is ideological warfare being waged by an Islamic militant and Communist fifth column that has infiltrated its way into the system. It is a fatal condition when left unchecked.
Oh yes--one of Islam's first step strategiesy to conquer the United States is to gain control of the American media by block-purchasing stock of US media corporations and their controlling stock. It's a safe bet this has now happened and the US public has grown too complacent to pick upon oit.
Deliver us all from Islam. And may God help us all.
Posted by: pythagoras at September 4, 2007 3:02 PM
I am 100% convinced that all the efforts to block Jihad Watch are coming from an Islamic militant and Communist fifth column based in the United States and which have block-purchased shares of US media stock companies and their controlling stocks. I consider this to be extremely serious. Americans haven't been minding the store and we are paying for it with things like the censoring of Jihad Watch occurring.
We are clearly in need of some type of highly professional domestic intelligence-legal agency to get to the bottom of this istuation and begin efforts to unravel it. I doubt the FBI will touch this. But there has to be some organization that will handle this. Any suggestion from JW posters?
Notice that no one is blocking the DAILY KOS with its hateful and endless rantings against Christian rightwing Americans. Leftwing "hate" is now getting a free pass at all levels. Leftist hate is evidently not hate-
And we can plainly see how socially and legally acceptable leftist "hate" of Americans for being Christian and "conservative" is while at the same time persons in earnest informing the US public that there are forces at work in the US such as Islam and Communism that teach first degree murder, expansionism, and anti-American doctrine in the form of multiply-told libels are being airbrushed out of the picture by dint of anti-democratic censorhip. Leftist and Islamic 'hate' it is clear, have magically become non-hate through political agenda.
Inother words, hate is not hate if Islam and Communism use it to continue the destruction of the United States and democracy. Or when ol' fascist Vladimir Putin can gain from it...
This is not the work of 'average' Americans. It is ideological warfare being waged by an Islamic militant and Communist fifth column that has infiltrated its way into the system. It is a fatal condition when left unchecked.
Oh yes--one of Islam's first step strategiesy to conquer the United States is to gain control of the American media by block-purchasing stock of US media corporations and their controlling stock. It's a safe bet this has now happened and the US public has grown too complacent to pick upon oit.
Deliver us all from Islam. And may God help us all.
Posted by: pythagoras at September 4, 2007 3:12 PM
awake -- I don't think banning is just an automated process based on keywords. It's partly based on complaints sent in by people.
Posted by: traeh at September 4, 2007 3:33 PM
Hardbody makes a suggestion to Jihad Watch that might be worth considering:
Place Jihadwatch main page with authorized contributors on one IP address/ domain, and the comments section on a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT IP BLOCK RANGE AND DOMAIN HOSTING SERVICE. This way the official site and the peanut gallery can be separated. I can assure you (advice from someone in the biz), that the peanut gallery commentary is where this site gets the banning problems from!
It is a completely simple thing to link the button for comments on each segment instead of to a subdirectory on the main site, to a completely different site altogether, and thus that site can then be subject to screening. You can post and read commentaries from home or from a non filtered computer instead.
Questions for hardbody: You are saying that under your proposal Jihad Watch and its comments section would still normally appear together, exactly as they do now, but if a screener wanted, the comments section could easily be jettisoned, because the comments button would take one to what is really a distinct site that could be banned separately from the main site. Problem: how would the screener know that? Second problem: How would the screener know the problem is in the comments section and not the site itself? Often, no doubt, screeners just get a generalized complaint about a site, and the complainer doesn't say anything like "please ban the comments section, but the site itself is fine." I like your idea, but I'm not so clear on the details of how it would actually be able to function well.
Under your proposal, if the whole Jihad Watch site were banned, maybe Jihad Watch could email the banning service and ask the reason for the ban, and if it turned out to be a comment rather than the site itself, Jihad Watch could invite the banning service to ban the comments section, not the site itself, and point out that comments are open, public and unmoderated by Jihad Watch. So your proposal might solve part of the problem, hardbody (though at the cost of jettisoning the comments section from more and more work environments).
Posted by: traeh at September 4, 2007 3:56 PM
hardbody: maybe the problems I mentioned with your proposal could be solved by some kind of label clearly designating the comments button as leading to a different website.
Posted by: traeh at September 4, 2007 4:01 PM
Jihad Watch doesn't promote violence, hate, or racism, and I doubt that the companies that have banned it really want to be on record as approving of jihad violence, the forcible subjugation of religious minorities and the denial to them of equality of rights, the commodification of women, and the other elements of Islamic supremacism that we are working against here.
Well, see -- there is the problem. Did you critically exam Islam or not?
You did?
Then, that means you must be a racist, hate-monger, and a bigot.
Posted by: witness at September 4, 2007 5:34 PM
I've been working on a letter to send to the screeners.
To Robert Spencer: Is Pastor Ernie Sanders still going to interview you about your new book and the phony "Rev" Jim Sutter?
Posted by: traeh at September 4, 2007 5:59 PM
Quote from traeh:
"hardbody: maybe the problems I mentioned with your proposal could be solved by some kind of label clearly designating the comments button as leading to a different website."
In order to be removed from the blacklist and be placed on the whitelist again, a case can be made that there is a real separation between official comment contributors and the general public.
That would be a second round defense, as opposed to a deterrent.
Doing this should asuage a fair amount of complaints, and afford Robert some level of distance. Robert's denegrators are no doubt using the comments section as being part of Robert's agenda and opinions.
I believe it would serve this site, and Robert much better to have that separation.
quote from awake:
"I thought these ISP internet filters were searching for words, not words in context.
They don't spam for context, do they? If not, then JW's main site would be held accountable under the same parameters, with similar results in my estimation."
awake, this is typically controlled by placing the site on an Access Control List (ACL) by someone responsible for policing. Most often a complaint comes in, is investigated and a determination is made as to content value, then the decision to place on the blacklist or not.
Robert's domain host needs then to receive a complaint from Robert, they investigate, find out all the details of who/when/why, and take it up with that particluar "blacklister". Some of this "banning" I am sure could easily be nothing more than a particular lookup server being unavailable or down. Most of it though is likely how I described it with the site being painted with the comments section brush.
at September 4, 2007 6:00 PM
Robert Spencer requested that polite letters be sent to Sonic Wall, SurfControl and SafeSurf to ask them to un-ban Jihad Watch from the workplaces Sonic Wall services. Below is the letter I just emailed to Sonic Wall.
September 4, 2007
To Chief Executive Officer Matt Medeiros, Ms. McEvoy and Ms. Collopy:
I write to ask about the recent screening/banning, by Sonic Wall, of Robert Spencer's website www.jihadwatch.com, from a number of workplaces and other internet venues.
Robert Spencer's articles on Islam and other topics have appeared in the New York Post, the Washington Times, the Dallas Morning News, Canada's National Post, Middle East Quarterly, FrontPageMagazine.com, WorldNet Daily, Insight in the News, Human Events, National Review Online, and many other journals. He has led seminars on Islam and jihad for the United States Central Command, United States Army Command and General Staff College, a Department of Homeland Security task force, and branches of the Joint Terrorism Task Force. Also, he has discussed jihad, Islam, and terrorism at a workshop sponsored by the U.S. State Department and the German Foreign Ministry. He has also appeared on the BBC, CNN, FoxNews, PBS, MSNBC, CNBC, C-Span, France24 and Croatia National Television (HTV), as well as on numerous radio programs including Bill O'Reilly's Radio Factor, The Laura Ingraham Show, Bill Bennett's Morning in America, Michael Savage's Savage Nation, The Sean Hannity Show, The Alan Colmes Show, the G. Gordon Liddy Show, The Neal Boortz Show, The Michael Medved Show, The Michael Reagan Show, The Rusty Humphries Show, The Larry Elder Show, the Barbara Simpson Show, Vatican Radio, and many others.
If Robert Spencer is good enough for all those mainstream national venues, why is he not good enough for Sonic Wall? Spencer writes about jihad, and as a result he is sometimes accused of "bigotry" or "hate" by malicious persons who seek to squelch free speech, though Spencer has not a racist bone in his body, and jihad is carried out by persons of every race. Jihad is based on ideology, not race. Spencer, who has been studying Islam for decades, is an expert on Islamic theology, law, doctrine, and history, and discusses on his site the theological roots of jihad, Islamic law, and related subjects.
According to some reports, the reason for your ban is that www.jihadwatch.com was designated a "hate" site or something similar. Sonic Wall will find it impossible to locate a single statement by Robert Spencer himself that can be designated a "hate" type or similar statement. Nor should Robert Spencer's site be banned because this or that bigoted comment was left by someone on the open, public comments threads at his site.
I should note that there is some evidence that Sonic Wall may have received "hatesite" complaints about www.jihadwatch.com from a certain "Rev." Jim Sutter who sometimes uses other names, who was ordained by mail-order, is a convicted felon, claims to have degrees he doesn't have and honors (including the Navy Cross) that he has not received, who traffics in libel with relish, and who pretends he cares about stopping bigotry and hate. See for example,
http://exposingsutter.blogspot.com/2007/07/is-credit-card-fraud-only-religious.html
and
http://exposingsutter.blogspot.com/2007/04/rev-who-is-fraud.html
If only Sutter really did care about stopping those evils. Robert Spencer reported that according to a former associate of Sutter, the Pastor Ernie Sanders,
"Sutter is mentally ill, and has cooked up lies about many, many people. He is, said Pastor Ernie, a danger to himself and others."See http://exposingsutter.blogspot.com/2007/08/robert-spencer-on-pastor-ernies-show.html
Sutter appears to be a sociopathic manipulator who has discovered that he has the power, by saying certain words ("bigot," "racist," "hate,") to provoke all kinds of people into various kinds of responses. For example, those Sutter slanders as "bigots" respond at first by trying to discuss the charge with him (until they see he has no sincere interest whatever in discussion). And Sutter may be succeeding sometimes in provoking website screeners, such as Sonic Wall, to ban, for a time, innocent webites. Sutter makes bigotry charges against anyone who looks with any kind of critical eye at jihad or Islam.
And there are others who want to censor open discussions of jihad, and who rely on such charges as "bigotry" to achieve censorship. CAIR, the Council for American-Islamic Relations, designated by the U.S. government as an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation terror trial, has employed a smear article written by Sutter against Robert Spencer. CAIR has frequently tried to squelch free speech by slandering as "racist" people who want nothing whatsoever to do with racism.
Spencer is widely respected by numerous mainstream media figures who, like Spencer himself, strongly and utterly repudiate racism, bigotry, or hate. I would therefore urge Sonic Wall to reconsider its ban of Robert Spencer’s website www.jihadwatch. The ban should be removed. Thanks very much for your attention to this matter.
Sincerely, Traeh Lewis
(Frequent visitors to Jihad Watch may notice that I have copied directly from Jihad Watch the list of venues where Spencer has been published or interviewed. I also copied almost verbatim from Spencer's writing these words in the letter above:
was ordained by mail-order, is a convicted felon, claims to have degrees he doesn't have and honors (including the Navy Cross) that he has not received, who traffics in libel with relishI should note that when Spencer wrote those three lines, he merely said they were true according to the Exposing Sutter website. In the letter above, I've adapted the lines to have a different context of meaning. In any future letters, I won't copy anything without attribution -- doing that was a mistake.) Posted by: traeh
at September 4, 2007 9:08 PM
Hardbody-
Your suggestion about "moving" the comments to a discrete site is irrelevant, because the complainers (jihadis and their useful idiots) are out to silence Mr. Spencer, not his commenters. Since, if he is silenced, we go with him.
Even if the comments were removed entirely, the slanderers and form-letter complainers would simply make the same baseless accusations, en masse, against him, and continue lying about his remarks.
The IP providers don't have time to judge all of the sites they receive flak about, individually, and will go by the numbers of complaints. Bogus ones, in this case.
A serious-looking "complaint trend" is considered de facto "legitimate", because, in the average realm of things, it would make sense: lots of complaints = problem.
This threat of silencing needs to be fought with counter-numbers, and with us asserting to the providers that this "denial of service" type of "noise" is merely a nuisance attack and an orchestrated attempt to silence a defender of freedom of speech, the Constitution, and our essential rights.
Kowtowing to liars, and giving way to them in any manner (e.g.: moving the "comments" to accomodate their b.s.), is one more cringing step toward "Sharia Creep".
Don't bow to bullies, battle them.
at September 4, 2007 9:29 PM
To all involved,
Thanks for the information.
Apparently, I know not nearly enough of the topic at hand.
Posted by: awake at September 4, 2007 10:01 PM
Well, this is great. A religion which at every turn and all through its holy books, promotes the destruction of the infidel, Christians, Jews etc is excepted but the people who try to warn the world of this destruction is outlawed.. yep sure sounds like the twisted minds of modern man, the human race deserves what it is going to get, but People like Spencer and all others like myself who try to wake people up will also suffer...
We are trying to get the knowledge of this pending destruction out there also Robert..
I have read that many thousands of Muslims are leaving Islam, is this true????
Posted by: Gaye at September 5, 2007 2:48 AM
Gaye -- good question. If you find out any hard info, let us here know. If it's only "many thousands" leaving though, that's not much.
I did see a study somewhere on the internet of the question of whether Islam is really the fastest growing religion. The study was full of excellent information. I think I found the link to that study somewhere over at TheReligionOfPeace.com. The study concluded that many religions are growing faster, percentage-wise, than Islam. Islam is not growing faster than Christianity, in terms of absolute numbers added per year to each religion. Most of Islam's growth comes from high rates of reproduction in Muslim families. Christians have far greater success at conversion (or whatever becoming a Christian should be called). Percentage wise, though not in absolute numbers, Islam might be growing faster than Christianity, according to the study. All I'm saying is from memory that is many months old, so it should be checked. The bad news: under current trends, Europe will be majority Muslim perhaps well before the end of this century.
Posted by: traeh at September 5, 2007 7:37 AM
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