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"You can’t run multiculturalism like that, because that’s a way of destroying yourself," says Khaled Ahmed, and he is right. The Deobandis just forbade photography. And they are the sect to which the Taliban belongs. They teach hatred of Jews and Christians and the Islamic supremacist notion that unbelievers must ultimately be subjugated under the rule of Islamic law. Tiny Minority of Extremists™ Update: "Hardline takeover of British mosques," by Andrew Norfolk in the TimesOnline (thanks to Twostellas):
Almost half of Britain’s mosques are under the control of a hardline Islamic sect whose leading preacher loathes Western values and has called on Muslims to “shed blood” for Allah, an investigation by The Times has found.Riyadh ul Haq, who supports armed jihad and preaches contempt for Jews, Christians and Hindus, is in line to become the spiritual leader of the Deobandi sect in Britain. The ultra-conservative movement, which gave birth to the Taleban in Afghanistan, now runs more than 600 of Britain’s 1,350 mosques, according to a police report seen by The Times.
The Times investigation casts serious doubts on government statements that foreign preachers are to blame for spreading the creed of radical Islam in Britain’s mosques and its policy of enouraging the recruitment of more “home-grown” preachers.
Mr ul Haq, 36, was educated and trained at an Islamic seminary in Britain and is part of a new generation of British imams who share a similar radical agenda. He heaps scorn on any Muslims who say they are “proud to be British” and argues that friendship with a Jew or a Christian makes “a mockery of Allah’s religion”.
Seventeen of Britain’s 26 Islamic seminaries are run by Deobandis and they produce 80 per cent of home-trained Muslim clerics. Many had their studies funded by local education authority grants. The sect, which has significant representation on the Muslim Council of Britain, is at its strongest in the towns and cities of the Midlands and northern England.
Figures supplied to The Times by the Lancashire Council of Mosques reveal that 59 of the 75 mosques in five towns – Blackburn, Bolton, Preston, Oldham and Burnley – are Deobandi-run.
[...]
The Times has gained access to numerous talks and sermons delivered in recent years by Mr ul Haq and other graduates of Britain’s most influential Deobandi seminary near Bury, Greater Manchester.
Intended for a Muslim-only audience, they reveal a deep-rooted hatred of Western society, admiration for the Taleban and a passionate zeal for martyrdom “in the way of Allah”.
The seminary outlaws art, television, music and chess, demands “entire concealment” for women and views football as “a cancer that has infected our youth”.
Mahmood Chandia, a Bury graduate who is now a university lecturer, claims in one sermon that music is a way in which Jews spread “the Satanic web” to corrupt young Muslims.
“Nearly every university in England has a department which is called the music department, and in others, where the Satanic influence is more, they call it the Royal College of Music,” he says.
Another former Bury student, Bradford-based Sheikh Ahmed Ali, hails the 9/11 attacks on America because they acted as a wake-up call to young Muslims. This, he says, taught them that they will “never be accepted” in Britain and has led them to “return to Islam: sisters are wearing hijab . . . the lion is waking up”.
Mr ul Haq, the most high-profile of the new generation of Deobandis, runs an Islamic academy in Leicester and is the former imam at the Birmingham Central Mosque. Revered by many young Muslims, he draws on his extensive knowledge of the Koran and the life and sayings of the prophet Muhammed to justify his hostility to the kuffar, or non-Muslims.
One sermon warns believers to protect their faith by distancing themselves from the “evil influence” of their non-Muslim British neighbours.
“We are in a very dangerous position here. We live amongst the kuffar, we work with them, we associate with them, we mix with them and we begin to pick up their habits.”
In another talk, delivered a few weeks before 9/11, he praises Muslims who have gained martyrdom in battle and laments that today “no one dare utter the J word”. “The J word has become taboo . .. The J word is jihad in the way of Allah.”...
Jihad fi sabil Allah, or jihad in the way of Allah, refers specifically to jihad warfare.
Khaled Ahmed said: “The UK has been ruined by the puritanism of the Deobandis. You’ve allowed the takeover of the mosques. You can’t run multiculturalism like that, because that’s a way of destroying yourself. In Britain, the Deobandi message has become even more extreme than it is in Pakistan. It’s mind-boggling.”In some mosques the sect has wrested control from followers of the more moderate majority, the Barelwi movement.
A spokesman for the Department for Communities said: “We have a detailed strategy to ensure imams properly represent and connect with mainstream moderate opinion and promote shared values like tolerance and respect for the rule of law. We have never said the challenge from extremism is simply restricted to those coming from overseas.”
A detailed strategy, eh? I wonder what it consists of, since neither the British nor any other Western government has ever yet stopped pretending that the Qur'an and Muhammad and mainstream Islam teach Muslims to seek peaceful coexistence with unbelievers as equals.
Posted by Robert at September 7, 2007 8:30 AM
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Ach-not to worry. These folks are just misunderstanding Islam. Those who understand it correctly will straighten them out in no time. There's no problem at all. We just need a little patience.
About another 1400 years worth at the rate things are going.
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at September 7, 2007 8:55 AM
He heaps scorn on any Muslims who say they are “proud to be British” and argues that friendship with a Jew or a Christian makes “a mockery of Allah’s religion”.
The man has a good argument:
2:10 Disbelievers are diseased.
2:99 Disbelievers are evil people.
2:104 For disbelievers is a painful doom.
2:171 Disbelievers are deaf, dumb, and blind.
3:28 Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference of believers.
3:73 Don't believe anyone who is not a Muslim.
3:48 Don't be friends with non-Muslims. They all hate you and want to ruin you.
4:89 Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them.
4:63 Oppose those who refuse to follow Muhammad.
4:101 The disbelievers are an open enemy to you.
4:144 Do not choose disbelievers as friends.
5:51 Don't take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them.
5:51 Jews and Christians are losers.
5:60 Allah turned unbelievers into apes and swine.
5:59 Jews and Christians are evil people.
5:57 Don't choose Jews, Christians, or disbelievers as guardians.
6:106 Stay away from disbelievers.
8:55 The worst beasts in Allah's sight are the disbelievers.
9:5 Slay the disbelievers wherever you find them.
9:28 Disbelievers are unclean.
9:30 Christians and Jews are perverts. Allah himself fights against them.
On-Topic: Gold just shot through $700/ounce.
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at September 7, 2007 9:01 AM
Should we begin the count down till the government investigates the Times, like they did Channel 4?
Posted by: senor doeboy at September 7, 2007 9:17 AM
"Another former Bury student, Bradford-based Sheikh Ahmed Ali, hails the 9/11 attacks on America because they acted as a wake-up call to young Muslims. This, he says, taught them that they will “never be accepted” in Britain and has led them to “return to Islam: sisters are wearing hijab . . . the lion is waking up.'"
-- from the article above
So the attacks by Muslims on an office tower in New York that killed nearly 3,000 "acted as a wake-up call to young Muslims." But those Muslim attacks on an Infidel target did not act as a "wake-up call to young (or for that matter middle-aged or old) Infidels." Those Infidels, and above all their leaders who presume to protect them, continue to deny or misconceive or willingly participate in a game of Let's Pretend, because it is so much better that way, Let's Pretend So As Not To Offend.
What will it take to "wake up" Infidels? Everybody too busy to read, to think, to connect dots, to make sense of things? Everyone too terribly impressed with the very idea of something called a "religion" or, if on the Hutchins-Dawkins line, and not impressed at all, nonetheless incapable of seeing that Islam is far more, and more dangerous, than any of the other faiths a we call "religions"?
What more than the daily dose of Jihad News from around the world does one need? Waiting for someone else, Bush or those who hate Bush, or Tom Friedman, or someone on Charlie Rose, to 'splain it all to you, to 'splain it all away, so you can go to bed and not worry?
Posted by: Hugh at September 7, 2007 9:33 AM
I think what is really relevant here is what the bilaterally orchidectomised UK goverment will do about it. Only joking!!. As we all know that they will, as usual, make a few statements but really do NOTHING. They, like the whole of the western political "alliance" seem to be more interested in the supply of oil and multinational profit margins than in the future of the west
It is such a sad indictment of western governments and their eunuchoid delusional view of both Islam and Muslims that it will take an Islamic nuclear strike, at least, for them to believe, ever so sadly, that just perhaps the whole problem with Muslims and their endemic need for violence is the sole function of that supremacist political ideology of a sex obsessed warlord as posted in the Koran.
Posted by: MisIslamist at September 7, 2007 9:35 AM
who would have thought that radicals were in the mosques???????????????
war is coming and it can not be stopped......
when Israel goes after syria then Israel will also devistate iran and then russia comes to the aid of iran for its oil and ports.
Can you spell WW3.................
Posted by: Texican at September 7, 2007 9:40 AM
Do you know WHY the United American Muslim Day Parade in New York City is happening on 9/9, 2007 ?
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The same day, in Brussels, far-left looms and anti-american fanatics are organizing a big demonstration in Brussels, Belgium, to denounce America.
The central point of the argumentation is that the 9/11 attacks are inside job.
The muslims in America do not elaborate about the subject, but the date was chosen wisely to match with Brussels demonstration. The organizers in America and Europe have ties with each other.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQdvarJeiUU&eurl
On 9/9, 2007, two days before the 9/11 attacks, muslims will demonstrate to blame Americans for the 9/11 attacks.
Regards,
drzz
at September 7, 2007 9:52 AM
"Another former Bury student, Bradford-based Sheikh Ahmed Ali, hails the 9/11 attacks on America because they acted as a wake-up call to young Muslims. This, he says, taught them that they will “never be accepted” in Britain...
Get out. Go to your islamic home.
Posted by: interestinconundrum at September 7, 2007 9:52 AM
We have much the same situation in the U.S. - not necessarily the same sect but militant Islamists in charge of the mosques nonetheless. I quess it will take another attack before people wake up.
Posted by: ConorMacNessa at September 7, 2007 10:05 AM
Britain was described by Julius Caesar as “a small damp island full of waring tribes”
La plus ça change ...?
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at September 7, 2007 10:06 AM
OT
OMG
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2381366.ece?openComment=true#comments-form
Now we can't have Christian windows in a CHURCH
Posted by: interestinconundrum at September 7, 2007 10:07 AM
OT
http://www.petitiononline.com/ulfkotte/petition-sign.html
Sign the petition all.
Posted by: Demvaril at September 7, 2007 10:11 AM
This is even worse than I thought.
England, they are bringing a civil war to you and yet your leadership sits and "tolerates." Outlaw Islam, shut down ALL the mosques, and you MIGHT have a chance...
It's amazing, the amount of hatred spewed across Europe at George Bush, and these hateful monkeys preach sedition right in their very own neighborhoods.
at September 7, 2007 10:11 AM
OT
http://www.petitiononline.com/ulfkotte/petition-sign.html
Sign the petition all.
Posted by: Demvaril at September 7, 2007 10:13 AM
OT
http://www.petitiononline.com/ulfkotte/petition-sign.html
Sign the petition all.
Posted by: Demvaril at September 7, 2007 10:15 AM
apologies for the multiple post.
Posted by: Demvaril at September 7, 2007 10:26 AM
Thanks, Demvaril. More than 10,000 signatures on there already.
Posted by: JohnAdams at September 7, 2007 10:36 AM
Islam is a dangerous ideology and religion.
The founder of Islam, Muhammad, set the very worst example for Muslims and preached hatred towards infidels, Christians and Jews.
One only needs to read the pages of the Quran to find evidence of this fact.
The Victory
[48.13] And whoever does not believe in Allah and His Apostle, then surely We have prepared burning fire for the unbelievers.
The Immunity
[9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!
Quran 47:
SHAKIR: So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates. That (shall be so); and if Allah had pleased He would certainly have exacted what is due from them, but that He may try some of you by means of others; and (as for) those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will by no means allow their deeds to perish.
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."
The Koran invites Muslims to "wage war'' against Christians and Jews and to pray that Allah will fight against them (9:30), Christians and Jews are labelled "infidels'' and "hypocrites'' who live in Hell (66:9), those who claim Jesus is the Son of God are called "liars'' (4:171, 10:66-69), and will have "boiling water poured over the heads, melting whatever is in their bellies and skins'' (22:20).
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 512:
V.51: O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who takes them for friends is one of them.
at September 7, 2007 10:49 AM
Thanks, Demvaril. More than 10,000 signatures on there already.
Posted by: JohnAdams at September 7, 2007 10:49 AM
1/2 is a conservative estimate.
97.8% Jihadi overseas funded 'mosques' (a/k/a ammo dumps) Are growing, flourishing and enjoying *****tax free****** status in the USA.
/Just in case you wanna know. Islam is still a recognized 'religion', you bigoted, smartass islamophobes!
Posted by: Laughs_at_Silly_Jihadis at September 7, 2007 10:49 AM
Islam is a dangerous ideology and religion.
The founder of Islam, Muhammad, set the very worst example for Muslims and preached hatred towards infidels, Christians and Jews.
One only needs to read the pages of the Quran to find evidence of this fact.
The Victory
[48.13] And whoever does not believe in Allah and His Apostle, then surely We have prepared burning fire for the unbelievers.
The Immunity
[9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!
Quran 47:
SHAKIR: So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates. That (shall be so); and if Allah had pleased He would certainly have exacted what is due from them, but that He may try some of you by means of others; and (as for) those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will by no means allow their deeds to perish.
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."
The Koran invites Muslims to "wage war'' against Christians and Jews and to pray that Allah will fight against them (9:30), Christians and Jews are labelled "infidels'' and "hypocrites'' who live in Hell (66:9), those who claim Jesus is the Son of God are called "liars'' (4:171, 10:66-69), and will have "boiling water poured over the heads, melting whatever is in their bellies and skins'' (22:20).
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 512:
V.51: O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who takes them for friends is one of them.
at September 7, 2007 10:49 AM
Several thousand very infuriated Europeans will be converging on Luxembourg Square in Brussels on Tuesday 11th at 12 noon to protest against the Islamificaion of Europe. I shall be in that company.
The legality of the event is in question since Brussels Mayor, Freddy Thielemans, has attempted to ban it to placate his muslim supporters in the Town Council. The demonstration is going ahead anyway.
You can gain more information by visiting 'sioe.wordpress.com'.
Posted by: LondonBorn&Bred at September 7, 2007 11:03 AM
I have a vivid image of Dominic, who posted to these sites until his untimely death. Dominic being pushed down and told by Muslims that he was their inferior. Dominic not getting any help from the police, of going home on the underground in a quiet stupor at what the hell has happened to his beloved England.
Is anyone surprised that the mosques are radicalized? More importantly, will anyone in Britain care enough to do something about it?
at September 7, 2007 11:08 AM
Posted by: JohnAdams
Thanks, Demvaril. More than 10,000 signatures on there already.
From a Population of 490,426,060
I find these figures rather alarming
at September 7, 2007 11:11 AM
This is a re-post from late on a 9/5 thread. Below I write about 5-10 years before an Islamic take over of a Euro country. With Britian's mosques now running 50% of the wahabbi thug variety, the day of Islam for Britain be sooner.
If we assume Europe will loose out to Islam, America needs to plan to either remove or destroy the WMD capabilities of Britain and France, and of any other European country with the potential for producing WMD. A peaceful approach would be to remove all the factories to the USA complete with the personnel and the families. A precedent exists in this regard; the USA brought German rocket technology complete with equipment and top personnel (Werner Von Braun was the top rocket scientist and designed the V-X rockets that blasted London in '44- '45).
Since the majority of Europeans have apparently lost all sense of nationhood and national cultural pride there probably will be no serious opposition to "de-nuking" them. Just offer their respective governments a financial incentive that would make a serious dent in their unfunded retirement programs.
Greed should do the trick with indolents. We should approach it on a business basis. " We have a great monetary deal for Euros who are only living for today. Give us your nukes and we will pay your retirement obligations for 10 years ", or something like that.
Leaving the Euros with their nuclear toys to turn over to a Caliph is not an option for America. So the Euros need to cooperate with us in disarming themselves of WMDs and WMD capability.
This must be accomplished before Euro nations go Islamic, so that means we should be busy even now on staff talks and planning to redeploy these WMD armaments, factories and research centers to the USA. Treaties will have to be drafted, agreed and ratified, and the physical transfer itself would be a major piece of logistics. It might take 5-10 years to get all this done peacefully. And within 5-10 years there is liable to be Islamic control of some Euro governments, so this matter should be considered urgent.
We must begin work on something like this soon as possible since it would be unthinkable if America had to destroy these weapons by force; that might entail massive Euro civilian casualties that could dwarf WWII.
A 5-10 year time lapse before the first Euro country becomes Islamic with Sharia law and dhimmitude for the natives is predicated on demographics. The Muzzies are reproducing at 4 to 5 times the rate of the native Euros. So Muslim takeover is going to happen, unless the natives start having 6 kids per family again. Not likely.
However, a sudden Islamic takeover of a western nuclear-armed country could be achieved much sooner than 5-10 years if Islamist thugs adopt the brutal gang approach to government takeover, as developed by Hitler, Mussolini and Lenin. The brutal gang model is there on the table, and we should assume that they see it and are planning to use it. It worked with the "good" Germans before, who were afraid to fight back against the brownshirts and the stormtroopers. If this were to happen before the nukes had been removed, there would be hell to pay for all concerned on both sides of the Atlantic.
Posted by: Jimmy Bones at September 7, 2007 11:21 AM
Hugh says:
"What will it take to "wake up" Infidels? Everybody too busy to read, to think, to connect dots, to make sense of things?"
In NY Times book review of a new biography on Bush by Robert Draper, I saw the following:
“Although the President Bush described in this volume will be familiar to most readers, Mr. Draper colors in the outlines with lots of tiny details. Apparently Mr. Bush loves doing imitations of Dr. Evil from the “Austin Powers” movies. He keeps meticulous count of all the books he’s read. (At one point he tells Mr. Draper he’s up to 87 for the year.)”
At least 87 books a year. Impressive. I'd love to get a peak at that reading list (as well as getting a video of that Dr. Evil routine).
Hugh, infidel Bush has found the time to read.But, it would appear, nothing of the variety that
would inform him about the real nature of the jihadist threat.
You have called Bush willfully ignorant. I agreed with the ignorant part, but I disagreed with he "willful" part. I didn't see anything that suggested an intent to remain ignorant of Islam. I thought it was laziness. This story negates that theory. With all of the many books now available to us, including Bush, and if in fact he reads at this rate, I am inclined to agree now with the full indictment of "willful ignorance".
at September 7, 2007 11:48 AM
Just half ? cause its about 80% here in America.
Does this mean things are better in Europe ?
No cause that place is just crawling with islamists, while here they are just waiting for their day in the American sun. Hiding dissembling and waiting.
Eh Ibrahim, eh Bessier ?
Posted by: dgene at September 7, 2007 11:53 AM
@Jimmy Bones
As an American, how do you feel about flying into airports where a majority of the employees are muhammadan?
How about airlines arriving into the USA with muhammadan pilots?
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at September 7, 2007 12:00 PM
Steve Emerson when asked on the Glenn Beck show what it would take to wake Americans up said '20-30000 dead Americans'. I think sadly the same thing will have to happen in England before the Brits come to their senses.
Posted by: waltc at September 7, 2007 12:05 PM
"The Messiah Iesa (Jesus), son of maryam (mary), was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah and His Word, ("Be!" - and he was) which He bestowed on maryam (mary) and a spirit (Rooh) created by Him..."
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #171)
Exigesis:
The phony self-fulfilling prophet muhammad tries to pull a fast one here. On the one, the fiend muhammad confirms that Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him Forever) was born through immaculate conception with God interceding for the male sperm donor, but at the same time says that Jesus is not God's son.
Only the willfully stupid can accept this semantic switcheroo. The devil is a pretender, a bad fake.
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at September 7, 2007 12:16 PM
without sounding like a "crypto-fascist" but seriously who the f##k allowed these people into a once great nation?
time "our boys" took control of the UK government. we wont mince our words or give these creeps an inch more of our lands.
oh and if you libs don't like it then, well, you're just gonna have to join them on the next boat/plane out.
get used to it 'cos before it gets any better it's gonna get really bad, "hairy", as my rock ape mates in lincolnshire used to tell me.
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at September 7, 2007 12:17 PM
Bush reads books???????????
This reminds me of a Woody Allen bit:
KIDNAPPED
"I was kidnapped once. I was standing in front of my schoolyard, and a black sedan pulls up. And two guys get out, and they say to me, do I wanna go away with them to a land, where everybody is fairies and elves, and I can have all the comic books I want and chocolate and wax lips, you know. And I said "yes", y'know, and I got into the car with them, 'cause I figured, y'know, "What the hell", I was home that week-end from college anyhow, y'know. They drive me off, and they sent a ransom note to my parents. And my father has bad reading habits, so he gets into bed at night with the ransom note, and he read half of it, y'know, and he got drowsy and fell asleep, then he lent it out, y'know.
http://www.ibras.dk/comedy/allen.htm
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at September 7, 2007 12:20 PM
I am sorry to say that, more and more, I am seeing the day when a conflagration will occur
between the Judeo-Christians, and possibly
Hindus on one side and the entire
Moslem world on the other side.
at September 7, 2007 12:25 PM
I am sorry to say that, more and more, I am seeing the day when a conflagration will occur
between the Judeo-Christians, and possibly
Hindus on one side and the entire
Moslem world on the other side.
at September 7, 2007 12:26 PM
I am sorry to say that, more and more, I am seeing the day when a conflagration will occur
between the Judeo-Christians, and possibly
Hindus on one side and the entire
Moslem world on the other side.
at September 7, 2007 12:27 PM
@leonthepigfarmer
You don't sound like a "crypto-fascist"
forewarned is forearmed!
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at September 7, 2007 12:30 PM
Friday is prayer day, so here's DARS:
Pre-Alpha 101: Becoming Top Rat
Learn how to seize the dominant position in your colony and thus gain the most access to females, the best food morsels, and the most desirable sleeping spots. Course covers basic social climbing skills: pushing, shoving and chasing, constant low-level harassment, getting treats first, walking over others, looming, and attacking infidels.
http://www.ratbehavior.org/Courses.htm
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at September 7, 2007 12:42 PM
Our leaders cling to that last thin veil of hope that Islamic integration will work in the west. We are in the final stages of that lie, as sure as we all sit here and read this the final grains of sand are slowly ebbing through the hour glass of western tolerence twards what would inevitably destroy our freedoms. We will not sit and watch our them be stolen from us, by anyone or anything. These things were fought for ... too many brave men sacraficed themselves for what we have to let this happen. There will be a day of rekoning by mob, or by the pen. It is in the politicians hands for now. Mark my words this will not go down George Bush, you are either with us or against us.
Posted by: Ameriki at September 7, 2007 12:51 PM
leon,
i think you got hit hard for a comment a few days back???
don't worry, you don't sound out of line to me either. you're spot on.
we at some point need to wake up enough to take our countries back...this doesn't mean marshall law or anything like that.
it's the determination that our countries will remain free from islamofascism/sharia and socialsm/communism, because we are democracies in various forms and should remain that way!
and i agree, things will get "hairy" before we get our countries back.
Posted by: Miss_Anthrope at September 7, 2007 12:56 PM
Revised that last needed proofing lol .. trying to work and pontificate doesn't always wash!
Our leaders cling to that last thin veil of hope that Islamic integration will work in the west. We are in the final stages of that lie, as sure as we all sit here and read this the final grains of sand are slowly ebbing through the hour glass of western tolerance towards what would inevitably destroy our freedoms. We will not sit and watch our freedoms be stolen from us, by anyone or anything. These things were fought for ... too many brave men sacrificed themselves for what we have to let this happen. There will be a day of reckoning by mob, or by the pen. It is in the politician’s hands for now. Mark my words this will not go down George Bush, you are either with us or against us.
at September 7, 2007 12:59 PM
From Ynkedoodl12 above:
@Jimmy Bones
As an American, how do you feel about flying into airports where a majority of the employees are muhammadan?
How about airlines arriving into the USA with muhammadan pilots?
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 [TypeKey Profile Page]
Question #1 - Good question. Tunisia and Turkey maybe, but you would be putting your freedom on the line and maybe your life with most of the rest.
Queston #2 - Bar Saudi Airlines and all other Muslim state airlines from the US. These airlines carry terrorists bent on harming us, and "diplomatic pouches" the size of a 747 cargo craft, undoubtedly bringing all sorts of mosque ornaments such as AK-47s, rocket launchers, explosive materials, etc.
Oh, and what about that airliner that an Egyptian pilot rammed into the ocean with an "Allah Ackbar"? If "educated" pilots and the VP of Intel(who went to fight us on the taliban side)believe that martyr crap, it means that you are allowing dedicated fanatical people to have control over whether you live or die - fanatics who may well consider killing a plane load of infidels as a ready route to 72 virgins and eternal bliss. ONly a fool would allow himself to be in the hands of a Muslim pilot.
I once landed in an Aero Commander with a Pakistani pilot; we just touched ground and the nose wheel broke. I was in the shotgun seat. The Mo pushes the control post forward and folds his arms with "All is in the hands of Allah". Well, We made it, but not due to any rational action by this pilot; at least it was not "Allah Akbar".
That was 30 years ago, and the suicide-for-Allah idea was less intensively valued then. But the irrational fatalism (Insh allah sp?)that indoctrinates Muslims with a death cult code came shining through in this incident.
Posted by: Jimmy Bones at September 7, 2007 1:41 PM
Miss_Anthrope
yes i agree. for example look at switzerland, they are planning new laws which would see the entire families of persistant "guest worker" families deported along with the criminal yet switzerland has been criticiswed by the U.N. and other E.U nations for even daring to suggest a law which would aid in hte war agaisnt crime and terror. some states even went so far as to brand the swiss law as "neo-fascist".
personally i will enjoy seeing many liberals asked politely by "our boys" if they would like to join their "friends" back in the middle east or sudan, ethopia or pakistan.
within a few weeks of "our boys" taking control (via hte ballot box of course), the UK will be back to 1950's crime and immigration levels.
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at September 7, 2007 1:47 PM
Believe me there is no problem whatever with radical mosques in the North of England and if there is, we have an answer to them.
The state subsidised Octagon Theatre at Bolton is putting on a play Lisa's sex strike described as,
“THE topical comedy for 2007. Blake Morrison’s reworking of Aristophanes’ classic comedy, Lysistrata, takes on the great issues of our time with disturbing hilarity.”
It’s 2007 in the northern mill-town of Blackhurst and intolerable racial tensions are tearing the mixed community apart. Summat MUST to be done, and sharpish.
Radical behaviour requires a radical plan and Lisa hatches an outrageous plot to encourage peace - a sex strike - no more nooky ‘til the fighting stops, with riotously funny consequences.”
So you see the fact that the local mosques are telling the men to blow us all to **** isn't a problem, the liberal intelligencia have the answer. If anything starts all the muslim and infidel women can join together and refuse to have sex with their husbands and the trouble will go away.
Thought - Don't Muslim men have the right to beat the **** out of their wives if they refuse to have sex?
Question – What planet do these people live on?
at September 7, 2007 1:54 PM
Leonthepigfarmer - ot - "rockape" as in RAF Regiment?
Posted by: MP at September 7, 2007 2:00 PM
Leonthepigfarmer - ot - "rockape" as in RAF Regiment?
Posted by: MP at September 7, 2007 2:03 PM
mp
yes sir!
i used to scuba dive at an RAF base in lincolnshire
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at September 7, 2007 2:18 PM
What I find at least somewhat encouraging is that this was a London Times story.
Leon: You are a patriot, not a fascist. We all have to go through that "uneducation" process required to rid ourselves of the pluralist crap we've been fed to get us into this mess.
Posted by: JohnAdams at September 7, 2007 2:59 PM
I am glad that the Times ran this on their front page. It is a worrying trend how certain areas of north-central England are very fundamentalist Muslim. On the other hand, Muslims kids who grow up in the countryside or in cities without many mosques often end up giving up their religion. I hope that the latter effect dominates eventually.
Posted by: Aveyard at September 7, 2007 3:54 PM
USorThem,
"With all of the many books now available to us, including Bush, and if in fact he reads at this rate, I am inclined to agree now with the full indictment of "willful ignorance"."
Bush reads 87 books a year? And non of them (obviously) happen to be about islam (you know-the ideology our enemy believes in)...
Amazing...
Amazingly pathetic.
at September 7, 2007 6:55 PM
JohnAdams:
Leon: You are a patriot, not a fascist.
LOL - Leon is such a patriot that he doesn't even live in the UK. Sorry to burst your illusion John, but Leon isn't a patriot - he's just another loser with a grudge fantasising about a Neverland where people like him have control. Picture an Islamist without the beard and nightshirt and you'll be pretty much there.
Remember that game that kids play - "If I ruled the world"? Well, Leon and "his boys" still play it. They dream grand schemes totally divorced from such irritating distractions as that thing that grown-ups call "reality". I remember watching Barbet Shroeder's documentary on Idi Amin, where the dictator puts on a military exercise, explaining, in all seriousness, how he plans to conquer Israel with his combined arms force - one civilian helicopter and old Russian tank. Leon and "his boys" are the same, except without the helicopter or the tank.
I mean, 'cmon, how can you believe his fantasies about seizing control of Britain when he doesn't even have the courage to say who he means by "our boys"? (clue: It's not the British forces, who are traditionally referred to as "Our Boys" by real patriots.)
Posted by: Matamoros at September 7, 2007 7:37 PM
"Leon is such a patriot that he doesn't even live in the UK"
you are one creepy dude.
at September 7, 2007 10:11 PM
matamoros
which regiment did you serve in? i never saw you when i enlisted into her majesty's armed forces when i was 16 yrs old in 1987? nor did i see you when i rejoined into the territorials in 1996.
sad really, you wouldve been a great mate in the army, you could've been my gunga din, polished my boots, ironed my y-fronts. good lad.
at September 7, 2007 10:55 PM
I have to add this despite it being too late:
Sometime ago?80s or 90s an Algerian airliner slammed into the ground disintegrating everyone.
Black box told the story despite being very badly damaged.
Pilot had had wife troubles and at 33K feet screams out:"Allah Akbar" and puts plane into vertical dive. Shocked copilot says "are you crazy?" and wrestles with him to gain control but with max thrust wings break off >>>splat!!!!
Who in their right rational mind would want these
people with their infantile judgement and their adolescent temperament in ANY position of control?
And that does not even include the wanton jihadists.
at September 7, 2007 11:13 PM
leonthepigfarmer:
which regiment did you serve in? i never saw you when i enlisted into her majesty's armed forces when i was 16 yrs old in 1987?
Eh? Oh, I see. Your claim of military service is meant to indicate your patriotism, is it? No, I think your support for neo-Nazism, based as it is in an ideology responsible for the death of hundreds of thousands of real British patriots, says far more about your "patriotism" as well as your "character".
On that subject, what's with all the euphemisms? "Our boys"? You never used to be so shy. Quite the opposite. Why don't you want to name the "our boys" you are referring to? Go on, what are you afraid of?
After all, I thought your "send all the blacks back to Africa" remarks went down very well in that thread the other day.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/018021.php#comments
OK, so most of the other posters painted you as some sort of ignorant racist bigot. What do they know? Like you said, they were all pinkos and liberals. And that black poster that criticised you! How dare he! Wait until you and "your boys" get into power, eh? See if they dare to talk back then...
you wouldve been a great mate in the army, you could've been my gunga din... ironed my y-fronts.
Sorry, Leon, my iron is one of the larger models. Great for ironing sheets and shirts etc, but no good for tiny little things that.
Posted by: Matamoros at September 8, 2007 12:01 AM
MisIslamist
my father in law actually worked on this case. he had some very interesting facts surrounding this event. he claims that this marked the beginning of the islamic brotherhood's use of aircraft as weapons and vessels of death. (not his words). the press covered it up as a man having a nervous breakdown and killing himself and hs passengers.
then why the "allah akbar"?
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at September 8, 2007 6:58 AM
"Sorry, Leon, my iron is one of the larger models. Great for ironing sheets and shirts etc, but no good for tiny little things that."
LOL!
at September 8, 2007 8:26 AM
"then why the "allah akbar"?
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer"
...I remember this incident.....it should be clear that this was a terror suicide attack, not a man upset at his relationship with his wife suicide attact.....
....in a personal suicide, you would go off yourself, in a terror suicide you take as many infidels at one time as you can....the black box said it all.....
....it reinforces the notion that airline security must be enforced, even if it means you remove some mumbling Muslims chanting Alllaaaahhhh Akkkbarrrrrrr and you should never allow Muslims into the cockpit....
....slow them down...Ban Muslim Immigration...
Posted by: exsgtbrown at September 8, 2007 9:37 AM
matamoros:
Leon IS a patriot. You're the one who is the cringing Muslim enabler. You'd rather see Britain go Sharia than fight back. You'd rather hail your Wahabbi masters than pick up a gun and drive them out.
I recall your rude, unfair remarks in other posts where you wrongly accused leonthepigfarmer of being a Neo Nazi just because he has hopes of the BNP eventually reshaping itself so that it becomes a political force which will drive out Islamic influence in Britain.
As a patriotic American, I'd do the same thing to drive out Islam as well if the situation became as desperate here as it is in Britain.
Tell me, matamoros, what is your answer for Britain's Muslim problem? Labor? Tory? Haven't heard a peep from either of those two ineffective Dhimmi parties regarding any real solution. Your problem is that you are too removed from the issue. People like you (who have benefited from Britain's multi culti and pc policies, as well as its educational opportunmities) can afford to live far from any problematic, violent areas where indigenous Britons and Muslim immigrants clash, so you fail to understand the real nature of the problem and the enormous frustration experienced by those people who live with it on a daily basis.
Your cavalier dismissal of what working class and poorer Britons have to live with without any relief from those in power to make changes only reflect how blinkered your view is. If those folks who have no true representation have the opportunity to flee the encroaching slavery that Britain succumbs to then can you blame them? What is the point of immigration anyway? To escape oppression from the homeland. Is that why you and your family live in Britain and not in whatever land you came from? Why didn't you stay and fight the good fight there?
Until the ruling parties in Britain address the crisis in Britain with common sense, realism and fairness, you will continue to see massive emigration of indigenous Britons, rise in BNP membership, and violence between the warring cultures.
Where do you stand? Instead of hiding behind the self righteous BS you've been peddling, as well as slanderous remarks and insults how about taking off the blinders?
Posted by: atheling
at September 8, 2007 1:03 PM
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