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Noam Chomsky and Michael Scheuer must be so proud.
Scheuer, by the way, now has the odd distinction of being included with Daniel Pipes, Steve Emerson, and me as "Zionist Crusaders, missionaries of hate, counter-Islam consultants" by Al-Qaeda's Adam Gadahn, and then having his worked praised by The Sheikh himself.
"Details of purported bin Laden video emerge," from MSNBC (thanks to HotAir):
Officials said bin Laden criticized Democrats in Congress in the video for being unable to stop the war in Iraq. The al-Qaida leader also urged young Muslims to carry out suicide bombings against the West — a piece of advice he offers in most tapes.Bin Laden also recommended reading books by American authors Noam Chomsky and Michael Scheuer, a former CIA analyst, officials said. Chomsky's book cites various examples of American imperialism, while Scheuer's book argues that the U.S. does not understand the Islamic predicament.
Bin Laden also suggests the Jews could have avoided the Holocaust if they had put themselves under the protection of Muslims and indicates that the mujahadeen are now determining U.S. policy.
Protection = dhimmitude.
And here is a partial transcript:
He also speaks to recent issues grabbing headlines in the United States, referring to "the reeling of many of you under the burden of interest-related debts, insane taxes and real estate mortgages; global warming and its woes...""To conclude," bin Laden says, "I invite you to embrace Islam." He goes on to say: "There are no taxes in Islam, but rather there is a limited Zakaat [alms] totaling 2.5 percent.”
Accept Islam! Lower your tax rates!
UPDATE: Here is a pdf of the full transcript.
Posted by Robert at September 7, 2007 2:30 PM
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Sounds like political double-cross.
Ah...the plot thickens!
Gee...why does this not surprise me?
LOL
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at September 7, 2007 2:41 PM
I have some recommendations of my own since we haven't been after other's lands in a very, long time - unlike the muslims.
Islamic Imperialism
Mr. Spencer's 'blogging the koran' which can be found on this site's home page to click on, and/or
cspipublishing.com for some books on it
One heck of a good book - Mr. Spencer's newest book 'Religion of Peace? Why Christianity is and islam isn't'.
Anyone worrying about being converted to islam if they read their koran need not worry - this is why they have to convert 'by the sword'. I have read it, and a godzillions of other books of some aspect of islam and believe me, islam is the last 'religion' I would convert to.
Posted by: R_not at September 7, 2007 2:45 PM
I think somewhere recently Scheuer put himself on OBL's bad side by either saying something kind about Israel or acknowleding the threat of Islamic terrorism, but can't quite remember what it was.
As for OBL'S suggestion that Jews might have avoided the Holocaust by seeking Muslim protection, well, I think Robert Satloff recently looked into that and found some very rare cases of this, many more cases of the opposite and, otherwise, a great deal of apathy if not antipathy for the plight of Jews anywhere.
Posted by: waterdragon52 at September 7, 2007 2:45 PM
the propaganda consists of clumsy attempts to win the "hearts and minds" of Americans as he can gather by occasionally reading an American paper
"Bin Laden also suggests the Jews could have avoided the Holocaust if they had put themselves under the protection of Muslims and indicates that the mujahadeen are now determining U.S. policy."
Considering that Muslim leaders aided Hitler in the Holocaust and Muslims served in the SS and their massacres targeted Jews in Eastern Europe who had lived in peace with Muslims...that seems slightly less plausible
Posted by: sultan_knish at September 7, 2007 2:46 PM
Low taxes, Republican ideas? I have a headache.
Posted by: Pelayo at September 7, 2007 2:47 PM
Still don't believe Islam is from Satan???
Still don't believe that muhammadans are modern-day Pharisees?
Bin Laden (on transcript):
"An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth and the killer is killed."
Jesus (Peace be Upon Him FOREVER)
"You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.' But I tell you, don't resist him who is evil; but whoever strikes you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also. If anyone sues you to take away your coat, let him have your cloak also. Whoever compels you to go one mile, go with him two. Give to him who asks you, and don't turn away him who desires to borrow from you.
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"An eye for an eye, and soon the whole world is blind."
-- Mahatma Gandhi
at September 7, 2007 2:53 PM
If Osama would only come clean and disclose to the rest of the world which Democrats are not doing their job.
I think it would be interesting to see which Democrats he thinks are carrying on his agenda and are not performing.
In Osama's comments he is implying that he is looking for the Democrats to fix his problems. Since Hillary Clinton has already gone on record and stated that ANY terrorist activity 'will be good for the Republicans and bad for Democrats' (she does not care about the victims) we will probably see Al-queda work with the Democrats and tone down activity.
I would find it a real problem if a murdering terrorist is looking to me and my actions to be good for them.
Posted by: alaskan1000 at September 7, 2007 2:56 PM
Scheuer is a sell-out shill of the left these days. He routinely blames US imperialism, specifically the current administration, for the response by the Islamists. Glenn Beck has him on regularly.
Scheuer was beautifully dismissed by Steve Emerson on Glenn Beck's discussion on home-grown terrorism. Emerson's best line (to Scheuer):
"I`m sorry. You`re the most educated person in the world, yet you know nothing."
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0707/17/gb.01.html
at September 7, 2007 3:09 PM
What a goddamned shame the Idiot-in-Chief invaded Iraq,trying to win re-election in 2004 (on the cheap), and squandered our reputation and is bankrupting the economy as the dollar's value plunges and is going to plunge quite a bit more. For what? And our stupid ass project to improve the life of Afghani muhammadans who are awash in opium and narco dollars? What a goddamned shame to admit that obl the fiendish slave of satan is actually not incorrect in his assertion that we are bleeding our economy in a pointless escapade.
This scoudrel of satan could have been executed or brought to justice. Instead, our our Idiot-in-Chief gave him the bully pulpit. And folks, I don't have to defend my patriotism or my islamophobia, but goddamnit, we have bungled our response to 9-11. Hate obl all you want (and I would hammer his skull to bits--so much for my Christianity) but he's got the upper hand and he's laughing at our incompetence. And we have no one to blame but ourselves for putting that self-serving assclown George Almighty Bush at the helm of this great nation.
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at September 7, 2007 3:10 PM
"An eye for an eye, and soon the whole world is blind." -- Mahatma Gandhi Posted by: Ynkedoodl2Actually, it came from 'Fiddler on the Roof'. Gandhi also came out with moronic statements, like Jews should commit suicide en masse in front of Nazis to fill them with shame, and that Hindus and Sikhs should sacrifice themselves for the glory of Islam.
Not someone I'd ever quote
Posted by: Infidel Pride at September 7, 2007 3:14 PM
"To conclude," bin Laden says, "I invite you to embrace Islam." He goes on to say: "There are no taxes in Islam, but rather there is a limited Zakaat [alms] totaling 2.5 percent.”Any idea of whether he's signed on to Grover Norquist's pledge? Of course, Norquist must be all for Jizia, since that too is 2.5%.
Myself, I prefer Forbes' Flat Tax. Something Vlad Putin has successfully tried out in Russia, but @ 13% instead of 17%.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at September 7, 2007 3:18 PM
“Fiddler on the Roof”LOL IP!
I read the partial transcript, funny I didn’t notice obl at the democrat debates, is he running or not?
at September 7, 2007 3:20 PM
Osama/Obama '08
Now that's a bumper sticker!
at September 7, 2007 3:20 PM
"An eye for an eye, and soon the whole world is blind." -- Mahatma Gandhi Posted by: Ynkedoodl2
Actually, it came from 'Fiddler on the Roof'.
Posted by: Infidel Pride
I must have missed it. Please tell me which character said that? Tevya?
And where did Ghandi say the Jews should have killed themselves in mass in front of the Nazis. I would like proof of your assertion.
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at September 7, 2007 3:23 PM
He's probably following the Fred Thompson strategy of waiting to announce. He'd lock up the Mohammedan vote if he does.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at September 7, 2007 3:24 PM
What a boring creep !
He tries to keep up with Eastern Seaboard political gossip, no doubt, from mags and CNN, but life is not what it used to be in the cave.
Needs a shave and a better beard dye - in fact a Western makeover technician.
Better still, a bullet.
Will the ones who get a shot at him cast lots who will have the honour of expending the bullet, as the Chilean soldiers did with that commie poseur Che ?
Posted by: dgene at September 7, 2007 3:28 PM
@infidel
Is the Quote you misquote:
If I were a Jew and were born in Germany and earned my livelihood there, I would claim Germany as my home even as the tallest gentile German may, and challenge him to shoot me or cast me in the dungeon; I would refuse to be expelled or to submit to discriminating treatment. And for doing this, I should not wait for the fellow Jews to join me in civil resistance but would have confidence that in the end the rest are bound to follow my example. If one Jew or all the Jews were to accept the prescription here offered, he or they cannot be worse off than now. And suffering voluntarily undergone will bring them an inner strength and joy which no number of resolutions of sympathy passed in the world outside Germany can. Indeed, even if Britain, France and America were to declare hostilities against Germany, they can bring no inner joy, no inner strength. The calculated violence of Hitler may even result in a general massacre of the Jews by way of his first answer to the declaration of such hostilities. But if the Jewish mind could be prepared for voluntary suffering, even the massacre I have imagined could be turned into a day of thanksgiving and joy that Jehovah had wrought deliverance of the race even at the hands of the tyrant. For to the godfearing death has no terror. It is a joyful sleep to be followed by a waking that would be all the more refreshing for the long sleep.
http://die_meistersinger.tripod.com/gandhi9.html
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at September 7, 2007 3:29 PM
@infidel (aka "incorrect")
"An eye for eye only ends up making the whole world blind."
Mahatma Ghandi
http://www.quotiki.com/quote.aspx?id=6420
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at September 7, 2007 3:33 PM
"I think it would be interesting to see which Democrats he thinks are carrying on his agenda and are not performing...""
....it would also be interesting to see if any dhimmicrats are not carrying on with his agenda....
...Ban Muslim Immigration...
at September 7, 2007 3:39 PM
Just heard Shep Smith tell how moslems invite you to accept islam, "if you do not accept moslems will murder you."
Sounds like more folks are "getting it."
at September 7, 2007 3:40 PM
"To conclude," bin Laden says, "I invite you to embrace Islam." He goes on to say: "There are no taxes in Islam, but rather there is a limited Zakaat [alms] totaling 2.5 percent."
It looks like OBL has finally said something that will turn the Dems against him and make them believe that he is truly evil - he has offered a tax cut.
However, I concede that he has not mentioned the jizya. What percentage does it require?
Gandhi also came out with moronic statements, like Jews should commit suicide en masse in front of Nazis to fill them with shame
It was easy for Gandhi to say this. As a Hindu, he believed that the Jews would simply be reincarnated.
This scoudrel of satan could have been executed or brought to justice. Instead, our our Idiot-in-Chief gave him the bully pulpit.
OBL has been given the bully pulpit? In whose eyes? For many muslims (along with Senator Patty Murray), he already had the bully pulpit before there was any real response to 9/11. I don't see too many others giving a rat's dupa about what he has to say. I certainly don't.
Posted by: Bigfoot at September 7, 2007 3:44 PM
Fred who? Look, at this point the only thing I know for sure is that Tom, Dick and Harry are running or the Butcher, the Baker and the Candlestick maker, take your pick. My son has friends whose parents immigrated legally (yeah, people still do that) from India to the USA, the way they tell it Gandhi is not one of their heroes. The left loves Gandhi but they love che as well, why, liberalism is a mental disorder. Why else do you think obl believes he can influence them?
Posted by: tgusa at September 7, 2007 3:45 PM
His shoulders and hands are NOT moving.
Posted by: Laughs_at_Silly_Jihadis at September 7, 2007 3:45 PM
I must have missed it. Please tell me which character said that? Tevya?Probably
And where did Ghandi say the Jews should have killed themselves in mass in front of the Nazis. I would like proof of your assertion.As for Gandhi's statement - it's been well known. Here is one source, for starters. He made similar statements to Hindus about how to deal with rioting Muslims - it's not that he was anti-Semitic, just that he was a pro-Islamic cretin. Posted by: Infidel Pride
at September 7, 2007 3:47 PM
I'm surprised OBL didn't mention reading "The Illuminatus!" Trilogy by Robert Shea & Robert Anton-Wilson, "James Bond" books by Ian Fleming and watching "Captain Scarlet and The Mysterons" in which The Mysterons' threats remind of AQ announcements. "The Mysterons are a race of Martians who are never seen - they appear only as disembodied voices and the famous 'Eyes'. They can take over people and things, replacing them with a perfect replica under their control."
All prime stuff for any lad growing up when he did.
Posted by: Turbinehead at September 7, 2007 3:49 PM
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at September 7, 2007 3:50 PM
"And where did Ghandi say the Jews should have killed themselves in mass in front of the Nazis. I would like proof of your assertion.
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2"
.....Ghandis statement was recorded in 1938 in a book by Louis Fischer:
"in 1938 and that his answer is on record in Mr. Louis Fischer's Gandhi and Stalin. According to Mr. Fischer, Gandhi's view was that the German Jews ought to commit collective suicide, which "would have aroused the world and the people of Germany to Hitler's violence." After the war he justified himself: the Jews had been killed anyway, and might as well have died significantly. One has the impression that this attitude staggered even so warm an admirer as Mr. Fischer, but Gandhi was merely being honest. If you are not prepared to take life, you must often be prepared for lives to be lost in some other way. When, in 1942, he urged non-violent resistance against a Japanese invasion, he was ready to admit that it might cost several million deaths. "
,,,Ghandi was a fool...........
....Muslims are worse....Ban Muslim Immigration...
at September 7, 2007 3:51 PM
Bin Laden underestimates/misjudges us similarly as we in the Western world do him and Islam. Global warming, the economy, etc., getting advice from him that not even the most delusional leftists can take at face value. But Chomsky and the other gentelmen might be interested to know they are celebrated by Bin Laden and his fellow Jihadis/Islamists. And, sadly, their perspective is taken seriously and has popular support, propaganda Al Qaeda is very grateful for.
I actually wouldn't be surprised to learn they're either glad or apathetic to learn they have the chiefmastermind/terrorist's ringing endorsement of their work. If so, then excuse me, but damn Chomsky and his fellow apologists for morally justifying these cretins.
Posted by: sci_ at September 7, 2007 3:55 PM
The "eye for an eye" quote was uttered by Gandhi AND Tevya from "Fiddler". Art imitating life.
Posted by: awake at September 7, 2007 4:00 PM
I'm sure Chomsky already has a new book situated for a follow-up to the next Al Qaeda attack...and he'll blame America! (Big surprise.)
Posted by: Foehammer at September 7, 2007 4:00 PM
From the things I've learned about islam in the last few years OBL is really a subject of alarming non-interest for me. What is interesting (and very upsetting) is the position liberals have maintained throughout. Take a few minutes and scan the comments associated to this transcript on ABC. Scares me to see so many that think OBL is truthful and we should follow his advice. They don't see freedom and democracy threatened by the tenets of islam. They have no idea of the real issue facing the west.
Go read a few.......
Posted by: Abrog8 at September 7, 2007 4:01 PM
'Chomsky is my favorite bitch and America will be taxfree under Islam'- unreal, incredible!
it takes a lot to crack me up these days, but that one took my socks off!
Now watch Americans 'revert' in droves:
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at September 7, 2007 4:07 PM
@infidel
I stand corrected.
btw, I'm not a big fan of Ghandi. I used his quote to buttress my Jesus quote.
Ghandi was a pacifist and struggled over the "non-pacifist" message of The Bhagavad-Ghita.
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at September 7, 2007 4:08 PM
From his positions on the issues, my lib wife would vote for him.
Heck, let's just get him on the ticket and settle matters.
at September 7, 2007 4:10 PM
LOL@ noam "commie"
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=1232
he's another walking irony, rich socialist, like george "the capo" soros, yet comtemptuous of that very same system that made them rich in the first place...lol
obl's hero (no shock to me) is relegated to cable-access channels and resultant SPindymedia propaganda networks than nobody watches at all.
(of course, they're always good for a laugh, lol)
Sheuer's a different story...his "pat buchanan"-esque contempt for Israelis earned him the admiration of obl.
...and that's just some of his ramblings...the others are even more illucid than this.
Posted by: jcom972 at September 7, 2007 4:10 PM
From his positions on the issues, my lib wife would vote for him.
Heck, let's just get him on the ticket and settle matters.
at September 7, 2007 4:11 PM
Why bother, iamnot?...seems he already has 5th column proxies there as it is.
In the mean time, more on michael scheuer in case anyone wonders...yes, he did miss more than obl, too.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=62a2adc6-9af9-4f77-ace5-1a4d5d495cad
at September 7, 2007 4:15 PM
"He also speaks to recent issues grabbing headlines in the United States, referring to "the reeling of many of you under the burden of interest-related debts, insane taxes and real estate mortgages; global warming and its woes..."
I never thought myself and OBL would agree on something, which is that Americans have burdened themselves excessively on interest-related debts and some with mortgages they can't pay for. In capatalism, people must accept responsibility for their finances and some must go bankrupt; that's just the way it is. The ultra-left don't understand the reality of life, which is some people will have less, be subjected to abject pauverty or be relegated to the lower class.
If we only had a %2.5 tax rate like they do in some places in the Middle East, then pivotal infrastructure is not built; business cannot receive start-up funds hence innovation is stifled etc etc. I don't mind paying my high Canadian taxes thank you very much, as long as it's NOT WASTED and if my STANDARD OF LIVING continuous to be near the upper-echelons of nation states.
Posted by: Triumphant_Paladin at September 7, 2007 4:17 PM
Robert,, Friends,, (read article below)
Canada slides further into DHIMMITUDE. I just got off the phone with 3 offices AT Elections Canada,, I asked them,,
"how can you identify the person, wearing a burqua,, matches the drivers license ID??"
And I also asked how option 2,, would identify anyone??
They had absolutely no one in authority, who could answer me. They then blew me off.
solsticewitch13
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Elections Canada position on 'faceless voting' undermines electoral integrity and equality before the ballot box
For Immediate Release
September 6, 2007
Ottawa, Canada – The Canadian Coalition for Democracies (CCD) regards as unconscionable Elections Canada’s reported new policy of allowing Muslim women to wear identity-concealing face veils, including full burqas, when voting in upcoming federal by-elections in Quebec and Ontario. Canada’s federal elections’ regulator says Muslim women can “vote veiled” merely by identifying themselves with a driver’s licence and second piece of identification. As an alternative, “covered” women need only swear an oath and have another voter vouch for them.
Outbursts of public condemnation overturned a similar initiative earlier this year by Quebec's Election Commission. The Commission was forced to reverse its consent to “burqa voting” when offended Quebec citizens and public interest groups threatened civil disobedience at election time. Highlighting the problem of double standards and arbitrariness, voters promised to attend polls with their faces covered by paper bags, sheets, hockey masks and other head coverings, and to assert “sensitivity” and special religious privilege as their justification for doing so.
"Elections Canada’s initiative violates the basic premise of public voting in Canada and the principle of equality of all Canadians before the ballot box. It is an invitation to fraud, misrepresentation and the debasing of our democratic electoral system," said David Harris, CCD Senior Fellow for National Security.
Beyond the ballot box, religious face coverings have at times been misused in Canada and around the world to facilitate fraud and other criminal acts. Veiling has been used abroad to advance terrorist operations, including suicide bombings. Such risks compelled France to ban the burqa in certain public spheres, and the Netherlands’ government - among others - is considering doing the same. And last fall in Quebec, ADQ leader Mario Dumont went beyond the ballot box issue, stating that he did not “rule out the possibility of laws … to make illegal the wearing of the burqa.” Yet some of Canada’s elites, apparently unfazed by the threat to electoral integrity and public safety, appear helpless in the face of radical lobbying in the name of “accommodation”.
"Canadians call upon Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Opposition leaders Stephane Dion, Gilles Duceppe, and Jack Layton, to demand an end to Elections Canada’s ill-considered policy of diminished electoral scrutiny for one religious group," said Harris.
"Government must promote one secular law for all, and an end to the appeasing of radical fundamentalism in whatever guise - or disguise."
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at September 7, 2007 4:18 PM
"He also speaks to recent issues grabbing headlines in the United States, referring to "the reeling of many of you under the burden of interest-related debts, insane taxes and real estate mortgages; global warming and its woes..."
I never thought myself and OBL would agree on something, which is that Americans have burdened themselves excessively on interest-related debts and some with mortgages they can't pay for. In capatalism, people must accept responsibility for their finances and some must go bankrupt; that's just the way it is. The ultra-left don't understand the reality of life, which is some people will have less, be subjected to abject pauverty or be relegated to the lower class.
If we only had a %2.5 tax rate like they do in some places in the Middle East, then pivotal infrastructure is not built; business cannot receive start-up funds hence innovation is stifled etc etc. I don't mind paying my high Canadian taxes thank you very much, as long as it's NOT WASTED and if my STANDARD OF LIVING continues to be near the upper-echelons of nation states.
Posted by: Triumphant_Paladin at September 7, 2007 4:18 PM
Maaan!
Seems like he will run for president...
Posted by: LazarOfSerbia at September 7, 2007 4:22 PM
He's also rambling on about other irrelevancies, too...like (getthis) "global warming", the "kyoto protocol"...
as if it has anything to do with his original demands on 9/11, starting with his demand #1: "you will submit to the will of islam" (which is conveniently absent now & has been for several years now, yet few seem to remember)...
then again, I'm surprised he didn't bitch about the price of teaz in china for that matter...lol
One thing is beyond dispute now...any question of his influencing nations foreign policies has been settled.
Posted by: jcom972 at September 7, 2007 4:26 PM
"To conclude," bin Laden says, "I invite you to embrace Islam." He goes on to say: "There are no taxes in Islam, but rather there is a limited Zakaat [alms] totaling 2.5 percent.”
Such a tempting offer -- but NO THANK YOU!!
Posted by: champ at September 7, 2007 4:32 PM
"Scheuer, a former CIA analyst...[his]book argues that the U.S. does not understand the Islamic predicament."
-- about Michael Scheuer, praised by Osama bin Laden above
Scheuer certainly never understood the "Islamic predicament" -- or rather, never understood, and still does not understand, Islam. And he was the head of the C.I.A.'s "Bin Laden desk." That tells you something, not so much about 'yessir, nossir' fresh-faced innocent Scheuer, out of his depth (and not waving but drowning), but about the lack of the necessary intelligence at what is optimistically still called the "Central Intelligence Agency."
Posted by: Hugh at September 7, 2007 4:34 PM
solsticewitch13,
There is one sure way to deal with this, all Canadians must threaten to and if necessary show up for voting wearing masks as well. Take their rules and use them to undermine them its fun, free and easy. For example, the guvment decides to allow them their five wives, you take five husbands, demand equal rights.
at September 7, 2007 4:34 PM
Sounds like OBL has been reading the DailyKos!
Posted by: WillPower at September 7, 2007 4:38 PM
Anyone who reads the recently published Al Qaeda Reader translated by the courageous non-Muslim Raymond Ibrahim, will discover that Bin Laden and Al Qaeda write two kinds of speeches -- on the one hand, propaganda for the West, and then a very different kind of speech, based entirely on Islamic theology, for fellow Muslims. Osama's current offering is of course in the propaganda-for-the-West group, because in the speech he introduces various themes he in fact doesn't care about, but uses merely to manipulate gullible Westerners.
Posted by: traeh at September 7, 2007 4:39 PM
Anyone who reads the recently published Al Qaeda Reader translated by the courageous non-Muslim Raymond Ibrahim, will discover that Bin Laden and Al Qaeda write two kinds of speeches -- on the one hand, propaganda for the West, and then a very different kind of speech, based entirely on Islamic theology, for fellow Muslims. Osama's current offering is of course in the propaganda-for-the-West group, because in the speech he introduces various themes he in fact doesn't care about, but uses merely to manipulate gullible Westerners.
Posted by: traeh
Good point Traeh,Taqiyya at it's finest.
at September 7, 2007 4:49 PM
Ynkedoodl2
No offense taken. Also, awake and exsgtbrown did a better job here than I did.
At any rate, glad to see you ain't a Gandhi fan.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at September 7, 2007 4:52 PM
Anyone who reads the recently published Al Qaeda Reader translated by the courageous non-Muslim Raymond Ibrahim, will discover that Bin Laden and Al Qaeda write two kinds of speeches -- on the one hand, propaganda for the West, and then a very different kind of speech, based entirely on Islamic theology, for fellow Muslims. Osama's current offering is of course in the propaganda-for-the-West group, because in the speech he introduces various themes he in fact doesn't care about, but uses merely to manipulate gullible Westerners.
Posted by: traeh
Good point Traeh,Taqiyya at it's finest.
at September 7, 2007 4:55 PM
"What a goddamned shame the Idiot-in-Chief invaded Iraq,trying to win re-election in 2004 (on the cheap), and squandered our reputation and is bankrupting the economy as the dollar's value plunges and is going to plunge quite a bit more. For what? And our stupid ass project to improve the life of Afghani muhammadans who are awash in opium and narco dollars? What a goddamned shame to admit that obl the fiendish slave of satan is actually not incorrect in his assertion that we are bleeding our economy in a pointless escapade."
-Ynkedoodl2
That's what I want to know. For what?
I don't have family serving overseas in the military. But, I sympathize for the lives lost of service members for the sake of the Iraq project and also with their desire to see fruit born in return for that sacrifice. But our whole society is being hurt and we're not all obligated to continue a failing mission. Usually, you try to hold an enemy back where your position is most defensible and I don't believe that's in Iraq or Afghanistan, at least to the extent we are committing resources to them presently. At the risk of sounding like a defeatist, maybe calling a strategic retreat is in order. I think Hugh has been saying this for a long while more intelligently than I am now.
Concentrate on stopping Muslim supremicism in our countries, not in theirs. I mean REALLY stopping it. Cutting the feet off, so to speak, of ideological Jihad as the first step to preventing militant Jihad, and that is right here in our homes.
Posted by: sci_ at September 7, 2007 4:57 PM
Bigfoot
Being re-incarnated has never been a justification for killing in Hinduism. In fact, the spiritual goals for Hindus is to try to avoid being reborn, and attain eternal salvation by leading as perfect a life as humanly possible.
Gandhi's views - contrary to perception - was by no means based on anything in Hindu scriptures. It was just his own personal philosophy, which he brilliantly engineered into a personality cult of his own.
Back on topic - so Osama now has solutions to the subprime mortgage crisis? Which is what - Islamic financing? (ROTFL!!!) One good thing about his appeal this time is that the headline here is 'Embrace Islam' - hopefully, more people seeing this will see people embracing Islam, or behaving more Islamically as an explicit endorsement of Osama. Which would be a good thing in undermining PC attitudes towards Islam.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at September 7, 2007 5:05 PM
2.5% for Muslims. Everybody else- Skys the limit.
If O'Sammas happy with 2.5% then why on earth do we send them money?
I think O'samma was feeling a little one-up-manship by Ineedajob in Iran.
Let me try and get one thing straight.
The Jews of Europe needed to flock to the Middle East for Muslim protection against Hitler. But, after the war, when the remaining Jews did flock to the Middle East(in greatly deminished numbers). The Muslims have been trying to destroy/kill them ever sence???
O'samma seemed to do us all a favor. He let us know he is not happy that the Demoncrats have not been able to surrender the Country yet. However, in the next breath he orders his minions to kill us anyway. No big deal, He has no plans to stop so what difference does it make. It is still an untimatum to convert or suffer.
The same old story the Media refuses to clarify. It would be to much Hate Speach in the presentation of what it really means.
Posted by: flowerknife_us at September 7, 2007 5:09 PM
This guy sounds like he'd fit right in on the faculty. He's got liberal views on the environment and Iraq, reads radical authors, and sympathizes with middle class financial woes. The difference is, Osama knows a lot about Islam, unlike most professors.
Posted by: jewdog at September 7, 2007 5:09 PM
Concentrate on stopping Muslim supremicism in our countries, not in theirs. I mean REALLY stopping it. Cutting the feet off, so to speak, of ideological Jihad as the first step to preventing militant Jihad, and that is right here in our homes.
Posted by: sci_ at September 7, 2007 4:57 PM
I've always agreed completely with Hugh on this point. Americans either don't realize or understand they are literally bankrupting their future; LITERALLY. America is now in a position where it is difficult to finance military & defence spending since their deficits are SO LARGE. The dollar is tanking because foreign investors are pulling the plug on American investments, including NOT BUYING AMERICAN BONDS. This is because the debtloads make it more likely of future default and/or a major currency devaluation.
Heck, the government can't even afford to maintain their own infrastructure anymore so their piecing it off to foreign corporations.
Why isn't ANYONE talking about the shambles which is America's financial debt???
Save your resources for fighting battlewhich make a difference. Protect the damn homeland!
Posted by: Triumphant_Paladin at September 7, 2007 5:17 PM
2.5% for Muslims. Everybody else- Skys the limit.
If O'Sammas happy with 2.5% then why on earth do we send them money?
I think O'samma was feeling a little one-up-manship by Ineedajob in Iran.
Let me try and get one thing straight.
The Jews of Europe needed to flock to the Middle East for Muslim protection against Hitler. But, after the war, when the remaining Jews did flock to the Middle East(in greatly deminished numbers). The Muslims have been trying to destroy/kill them ever sence???
O'samma seemed to do us all a favor. He let us know he is not happy that the Demoncrats have not been able to surrender the Country yet. However, in the next breath he orders his minions to kill us anyway. No big deal, He has no plans to stop so what difference does it make. It is still an untimatum to convert or suffer.
The same old story the Media refuses to clarify. It would be to much Hate Speach in the presentation of what it really means.
Posted by: flowerknife_us at September 7, 2007 5:18 PM
If we only had a %2.5 tax rate like they do in some places in the Middle East, then pivotal infrastructure is not built; business cannot receive start-up funds hence innovation is stifled etc etc. I don't mind paying my high Canadian taxes thank you very much, as long as it's NOT WASTED and if my STANDARD OF LIVING continues to be near the upper-echelons of nation states.
Posted by: Triumphant_Paladin
"Please bend over, spread your legs, grab your ankles, and embrace my allah. This won't hurt a bit!"
/the islamist that you worship will hurt you in "the end"
at September 7, 2007 5:20 PM
Osama has the right stuff. He is more qualified for President then Hillary or Rudy put together. An Osama/Obama ticket would be a sure winner. At least most liberals would vote for them. And it's so easy to say Osama-Obama, roles right off the tongue, don't it?
Posted by: duh_swami at September 7, 2007 5:29 PM
Muslims would have protected the Jews against the Nazis. What man for man was the most efficient, ruthless and cruel military machine of its time.
They'd have perhaps been a bit shocked by what they were up against. Osama(of his historical equal, kills some German soldiers, and as a result his whole village including his family is wiped out(sound familiar?).
I don't think waving a aging musket in the air and screaming pagan slogans would have impressed or stopped the might of the German Army.
Best they stick with modern democracies, our conscience keeps them alive.
at September 7, 2007 5:33 PM
Bin Laden states that his goal is to take down the US economy. Bin Laden has a bad sense of situational awareness. Our excesses keep us ‘tolerant’.
August Jobs Report:
Lost: 22,000 construction jobs
Lost: 46,000 manufacturing jobs
Added: 63,000 education and health service jobs (mostly government money)
Added: 12,000 leisure and hospitality jobs (bars and restaurants)
Now lets talk national healthcare. Be careful what you ask for Osama.
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm
at September 7, 2007 5:49 PM
It's like a CIA-written parody of OBL to tweak the Democrats and make fun of the cliched concerns of the panic-ocracy (Global Warming!...ooo! scary...) and cagey market manipulators (...sell, now!... make my commissions soar, suckers!...).
If he's really this much of a shallow, kneejerk, headline-cribbing cartoon, it's time to put his sorry head on a scribbled Swedish mutt, too.
Osama Bin Goingoofy.
Posted by: profitsbeard at September 7, 2007 5:54 PM
Ya mean like this in Sweden?
http://www.tothepointnews.com/images/stories/modoggy-r.jpg
LOL...who said the Swedes have no sense of humor?
lol
at September 7, 2007 6:25 PM
Yes,why are stupid Infidel Leaders squandering the lives of their soldiers,billions of dollars,
to establish an ISLAMIC REBUBLIC OF IRAQ[handing this to Iran on a plate] and an ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF AFGHANISTAN[which will revert to Taleban]?? Of course 'Binny' is chuckling in his dyed beard-Bush & Blair's gungho folly [in trying to secure Iraq's oilfields] has been an absolute gift from Allah and a DEVASTATING LOSS FOR THE WEST. If Bush had the brains of a flea, he would have got pally with Vlad Putin-Russia has huge energy reserves -between them they could have ruled the world with only the Chinese Dragon to worry about...
But NO-Bush carries on the crazy foreign policies of his predecessors; sacrificing Orthodox Christians to please his Saudi buddies & getting fat petro dollar cheques from friends like Prince Babdar 'Bush whilst ordinary Americans pay the price in blood, failing economy
& increased taxes.This couldn't have happened at
a worse time .
at September 7, 2007 8:11 PM
Ameriki--
I'm not shadowing you or anything-- just reading through the comments. But since I've had to delete a few comments, I should specifically mention that talk of "genocide" as a response to the jihadist threat is absolutely never up for discussion. Period.
It goes against the values we aim to uphold, and plays into the hands of those who would love to see the work of Jihad Watch fail.
Thank you for your cooperation.
Marisol Seibold
Jihad Watch News Editor
at September 7, 2007 8:25 PM
One word. ohmyfrieckinbejeebers!
Posted by: mustang65 at September 7, 2007 9:46 PM
My God, how I love Marisol.
Continue to fight the good fight. The hard work, years worth actually, should never be subject to derailment by "loose" posts, although maybe well-intended. Robert's work is too important for that.
The rules here are clear...step up, or step out.
Posted by: awake at September 7, 2007 10:43 PM
Awake-- thanks!
Posted by: MarisolJW at September 7, 2007 10:49 PM
Who's Prince Babdar?
There are no taxes in Islam because hardly anyone makes any money. 2.5% of nothing is how much?
Someone once asked Limbaugh about Gandhi. Rush's response was, 'Gandhi'!!!, what did he ever do???
The first thing I thought of was that he got several million people to show up at his funeral. How many of us are capable of that? All I can muster is a few relatives, a few musky smelling swami's, and some debtors, still trying to get paid after all these years...
Posted by: duh_swami at September 7, 2007 11:22 PM
"There are no taxes in Islam, but rather there is a limited Zakaat [alms] totaling 2.5 percent.”
-- from the speech of Osama Bin Laden
In the crazy hodge-podge that makes up his Invitation to Islam (to be followed by an Invitatio to a Beheading) Osama Bin Laden has decided to appeal to the low-tax voters, liberatarians, ronpaulites, admirers of dinesh d'souza. Bizarre of course.
Muslims traditionally have lived off the non-Muslims in the lands they conquered. Jews, Christians, Zoroastrians, Hindus paid the Jizyah. In India after tens of millions of Hindus had been killed, the Mughal rulers ceased to engage in such wholesale slaughter, and also, once they had a sufficient local population of Hindus who had been forcibly converted -- out of fear, out of a desire to avoid the miserable condition of dhimmi (or zimmi) -- allowed the Hindus to be treated as if they were People of the Book, and remain alive so long as they fulfilled the duties of a dhimmi. In that way the Muslim rulers could continue to live on the Jizyah paid by these "zimmis."
They also relied, when full-scale military conquest of Infidel territory was no longer possible, on constant raiding parties, up and down the coasts of Europe, even as far as Ireland or, in one case, Iceland. They looted, they killed, they kidnapped non-Muslims and brought them back to be enslaved. In the west, and in the east, where raiding parties would seize Slavs (hence "slaves") and also Georgian and Circassian women for the harems.
And now Muslim states exist either on the manna of oil wealth, which they did nothing to deserve and which is merely the result of an accident of geology, or where oil is lacking, on the disguised Jizyah of aid from Infidel states (instead of other, but rich, Muslim states). And within much of Dar al-Harb, the Lands of the Infidels where Islam does not yet rule, many Muslims have settled and taken every conceivable advantage, legal and illegal, of the extensive benefits offered by the generous, and innocent, states of Western Europe -- and indeed, raise huge families on those benefits paid for by Infidel taxpayers, while those Infidels, given the expense in Western Europe of raising a child, and the widespread unsettlement and unrecognized apprehension over this same growing Muslim population, have fewer and fewer children themselves. And thus demographic conquest by Muslims continues, unopposed and indeed inadvertently supported by Western welfare states.
"No taxes"? Ask once the Infidels cease paying the Jizyah, or that oil ceases to be quite so abundant. Then the Muslim states will undoubtedly return to the condition of wretchedness that they were in when the Infidels did not supply, as they have for the past century at least, good government, stability, encouragement of agriculture (see the Maghreb, see Egypt under Cromer), the rule of law, and all the other things that allowed economic development and that will not take place, cannot take place, under Muslim rule -- insofar as those Muslims remain devotees of inshallah-fatalism.
Just look at the Muslim oil states. They have received ten trillion dollars, entirely without any effort on their part, since 1973 alone. What have they done with it? They remain hopelessly dependent on armies of foreign wage-slaves. They have failed to create modern, self-sustaining economies. They live on oil, and on the rents from oil. They produce nothing. They offer no services. They do not share their wealth with other, poorer Muslims but always expect the Infidels to support those other Muslims -- and the Infidels, so far, have been insanely happy to oblige.
"no taxes in Islam..."
Osama Bin Laden will apparently try anything. Go ahead. Read His Lips. Give him your vote. Show how impressive you found his campaign speech for the Islam Party, its workers tirelessly treading the True and Shining Path, the sendero luminoso, fi sabil Allah.
Posted by: Hugh at September 8, 2007 12:17 AM
Vietnam, Native Americans, global warming, lower taxes, Chomsky, Inquisition, Kennedy assassination, etc.
He is well aware of our domestic political differences, and hot-button items that could divide us and cause self-doubt.
If only our "leaders" could be so informed about Islam, and as willing and intellectually able to take advantage of those opportunities.
For just the cost of one or two cruise missiles, Robert, Hugh, Marisol, and Greg could happily help cause more damage to the jihad than 5 years of war in Iraq have done.
Posted by: special_guest at September 8, 2007 4:03 AM
If only our "leaders" could be so informed about Islam, and as willing and intellectually able to take advantage of those opportunities.
Posted by: special_guest at September 8, 2007 4:03 AM
LOL.. "leaders" are well informed. They know that 'War on terror' is a catch phrase that will get them votes. That 'family values' can be used to provide endless supply of 'workers' to the rich even while the same 'workers' rape and murder Americans. They know that all they have to do is promise to capture 'Osama dead or alive' and put up a show of deportation to fool the very Americans who are loosing jobs to criminals and their lives to Jihadis, while paying taxes and electing the same "leaders". They know that while Iraqi borders are protected, American border should not be closed at any cost. They know that while Islam spreads like cancer in America, they have to dance to the tune of rich wahhabis, who after all, supported their failed businesses, financed their elections to ensure the highest office of USA. Yes, it is not the votes, but the money that get the votes, that the "leaders" are informed about. It comes down to money and the votes money buys. Country, citizens and border are mere words which can be wrapped into lies, enough to get them the votes and money. Ask any "leader". It is American voters who are uninformed about their corrupt "leaders".
Now, if you are looking for a true American patriot, you can't miss Tom Tancredo: http://www.teamtancredo.typepad.com
Posted by: Alert at September 8, 2007 12:32 PM
What a piece of shit Noam Chomsky is. He enjoys the freedoms and prosperity of the West and at the same time condemns them. If the U.S. was as bad as he makes them out to be. They should have killed him long ago.
Paul
Canada
at September 10, 2007 9:44 PM
What a piece of shit Noam Chomsky is. He enjoys the freedoms and prosperity of the West and at the same time condemns them. If the U.S. was as bad as he makes them out to be. They should have killed him long ago.
Paul
Canada
at September 10, 2007 9:46 PM
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