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"I invite you to embrace Islam," says Osama, and yes, that is a prerequisite for an observant Muslim before he can commit an act of violence against an unbeliever.
Muhammad directs Muslims to issue this invitation first, and if they refuse, to invite non-Muslims to enter the Islamic social order as second-class dhimmis, and if they refuse both, to go to war with them:
Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war, do not embezzle the spoils; do not break your pledge; and do not mutilate (the dead) bodies; do not kill the children. When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them....If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them. (Sahih Muslim 4294)
No one is noting that Osama, like Adam Gadahn last year, accompanies this invitation with unfavorable comparisons of Christianity and Judeo-Christian Western culture to Islam, and an appeal based on the Qur'an's presentation of Jesus as a Muslim prophet:
That the jihadists are mounting this kind of theological appeal is one of the least-noted aspects of their communiques to the West. Most analysts don't understand and don't care what they are doing in these statements, and just brush past them.
In reality, however, such statements go right to the heart of why Al-Qaeda and other jihadists are fighting, and what they are fighting for. I discuss this in my book Religion of Peace?, but I'm not seeing it much of anywhere else. The ideological challenge that the jihadists are making to the West is still almost universally misunderstood. Here is Osama inviting us to accept Islam, and probably very few Americans would be able to articulate why they wouldn't want to accept the invitation. If more attention is not paid to this, Osama's appeal will surely make inroads among Westerners that will deeply surprise most analysts.
Posted by Robert at September 7, 2007 5:11 PM
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AL qeada and fundamentalist movements carry Islamic intellectual weight , this is ignored because of what it means in the long run.
For the record , it means Islam is the enemy of people who wish to live free.
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at September 7, 2007 5:40 PM
The "Koran" is NOT "noble." In fact, it's IGNOBLE.
Jesus has NOTHING to do with the evil "Koran."
And neither does Mary. MOHAMMED THE LIAR!
I reject your "invitation" MORE than anything I can think of. ANYTHING. WAR IT IS!
BRING BACK THE CRUSADES! STOP MUSLIM EXPANSION INTO EUROPE! AND, NOW, INTO THE UNITED STATES.
Posted by: darcy at September 7, 2007 5:40 PM
Time to find that "I Will Not Submit" T-shirt. Be right back.
Posted by: Marwan'sDaughter at September 7, 2007 5:43 PM
Beat Women over the Head with what the rammifications are for them.
They made a big stink about Abortion. Now lets see if they can make a big stink for all their other Freedoms.
The old saying goes that a good Woman is behind every Man. We can see if it still rings true?
The alternitive is having to stand in front of your Husband-to take the first few Rounds used or as Bait to pass through Checkpoints.
Posted by: flowerknife_us at September 7, 2007 5:45 PM
I, too, will not accept any inventations to Islam because it is the false religion of the Devil, SATAN himself to try to distroy Jesus, the Christian faith, and the Holy Bible. My prediction: Islam will be crushed bigtime.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at September 7, 2007 5:54 PM
Wow, Osama, that's a downright tempting offer...after I have my brain removed, I just might accept...maybe...
Posted by: Rachel at September 7, 2007 6:07 PM
Reminds me of the title of a great comic book on the Koran I read online on Ali Sina's site, Faith Freedom International, written by an apostate: Mohammed's "The Koran: Believe It Or Else".
Posted by: jewdog at September 7, 2007 6:09 PM
His attempts suggest a 2-dimensional, emotion-based appeal, mixed with attempts at making it appear logical. That's where he falls short, though it works on the "disenfranchised" who are also predisposed misanthropes anyway.
The rest of us base our judgements on more logic, as actions speak louder than words, especially his... that logic tells us
-that he's not where he wanted to be 6 years from 9/11,
-he's losing his ass for obvious reasons, and
-his sourpussing is a testament to his despair, brought on by his own actions...not to mention
-he doesn't even address his original demands which weren't an "invite", but an ultimatum.
-he doesn't have a grip on how westerners operate like he'd like us to think
-he got his wish, to change America forever, just not the way he thought
-he echoes the talking points of anyone who fits his "the enemy of my enemy" crap
(no, OBL, the enemy of my enemy is STILL my enemy)
-his actions have demostrated he's pure taqqiyahesque
No, we're not buyin' it...although the misanthropic malcontents he's targeting for appeal might.
As Judge Judy says:
"Don't pee on my leg & tell me it's raining."
at September 7, 2007 6:13 PM
"Here is Osama inviting us to accept Islam, and probably very few Americans would be able to articulate why they wouldn't want to accept the invitation. If more attention is not paid to this, Osama's appeal will surely make inroads among Westerners that will deeply surprise most analysts."
I think that most people on this site would agree that it would take a really brainless person to listen to the appeal of a terrorist and mass murderer.
Why then does Robert feel that this appeal will surely make inroads into westerners?
at September 7, 2007 6:13 PM
because masses can really be stupid.
Individuals are smart, masses are rather dumb, and obl's appealing to the lowest common denominator-it worked for hitler, stalin, mao, et. al,...
at September 7, 2007 6:16 PM
I reject your appeal and substitute my own: "Bullocks!"
Posted by: Noam Sayin' at September 7, 2007 6:19 PM
Stockholm syndrome works better than predicted...
Posted by: LazarOfSerbia at September 7, 2007 6:24 PM
How many invitations to Islam have we been offered in the last six years? How many do we, as a nation, have to refuse before the jihadi understand we are not particularly interested?
Posted by: s at September 7, 2007 6:25 PM
“There are millions of Christians whom we have not incinerated”
Well isn’t that nice of them. Just when I was sure they were monsters they play a courtesy card on me.
at September 7, 2007 6:26 PM
Oh, I forgot - Osama, go to hell!
Posted by: LazarOfSerbia at September 7, 2007 6:29 PM
Jcom972
If the masses are really so stupid(and yes they can be) then that is the thing to worry about isnt it?
Undoubtedly propaganda works.
But see here's the issue. You can try to counter propaganda with propaganda (This site is evidence , yes yes i know only the truth is told on this site) and may the loudest guy win.
But that only fights the symptoms. The cause is really that people believe what they are told from people in authority without demanding sufficient proof or evidence. I see almost no attempt in American society to counter this and for me thats one of the main problems that America faces.
e.g. Look up Baloney Detection Kit by Carl Sagan and wonder why there is no equivalent on this site which wants people to open their eyes to some of the misconceptions that exist.
at September 7, 2007 6:29 PM
That started with the marketing of evil, long ago.
(see the book by the same name).
http://www.amazon.com/Marketing-Evil-Pseudo-Experts-Corruption-Disguised/dp/1581824599
That, however, is an entirely other forum...though some facets can be addressed here, as it has influenced many folks` predisposition.
at September 7, 2007 6:39 PM
No thanks, Osama.
Guess you'll have to do something about it.
p.s. you sure do look goofy in that picture. Dude, get some sleep.
Posted by: angryeagle at September 7, 2007 6:40 PM
That the jihadists are mounting this kind of theological appeal is one of the least-noted aspects of their communiques to the West.
Most analysts don't understand and don't care what they are doing in these statements, and just brush past them.
The hell they don't understand; they understand perfectly well.
They are simply in denial and have refused to believe any reality that upsets their own delusions and wilful misinterpretations.
They believe that if the wish hard enough, all the murders will go away; they're wrong.
Dead wrong!
Posted by: witness at September 7, 2007 6:42 PM
Would like to see Spencer elaborate a little more on his last sentence in the above post.
Posted by: traeh at September 7, 2007 6:46 PM
Uncle Osama and his fireside chats. 'Let us 'reason' together'. All you have to do is convert to Islam and everything will be hunky dory. Just some more tiqiyya, and not very convincing taqiyya at that. Sounds like the rantings of ataa and a few others that show up here for hate and taqiyya feasts.
He also looks terrible. If you blow that photo up, Osama looks BAD. His right eye is sagging and he looks like he is in pain. My guess is, if he is not dead yet, he is not long for this world...
at September 7, 2007 6:50 PM
The syntax of this screed tells me that it is addressed to each of us as individuals. He speaks of "your politicians" and "your writers" and "your media."
These are direct personal threats and we should react accordingly. Any muslim who does not publicly disavow this statement, is an enemy. Their silence is deafening.
Posted by: Pelayo at September 7, 2007 6:56 PM
Osama -- what a yahoo!! Hollywood isn't responsible for driving people away from the "true religion" (true religion my ass); but it's terrorists like you and your own Qur'an that are driving people away.
"True religion" -- like hell it is!
Oh, and I would like to RSVP to your invitation to join Islam. Put me down as a "HELL NO!!"
Posted by: champ at September 7, 2007 7:01 PM
In another thread I posted about possible signs of stroke, too...along with the other signs of heath deterioration.
He's definitely in despair...and looks to not "die as a martyr" as he'd hoped...but that of a helpless invalid (which is more of a benefit than giving him his wish of "martyrdom").
His rantings and ramblings echo the same talking points of his sister-in-arms cindy shILLhan, who was rightfully disgraced for the "attention whore" she really was, too...and this sounds more like a parting shot than anything from a position of power or advantage.
Let him "reason" to those he and his ilk butchered for their cause on 9/11, 7/5, 3/11 et. al., and all their other victims` who will undoubtedly be his jury on his way to the next realm of existence.
at September 7, 2007 7:02 PM
With the technology in graphics and YouTube. Why couldn't we make a talking head of OBL. But put the words we want in his mouth? They are using the net so can we. Fight fire with fire. Oh, BTW be sure and track all the hits to the sight to find out who were these slime balls are. Just a thought.
Posted by: Im.mad.as.HELL! at September 7, 2007 7:03 PM
I hope Osama and his like-minded Muslim brethren keep up this sort of dawa. Him doing it personally is even better. Yes, he'll win over some dupes like Adam the American/the John Walker-Lindhs and there are groups that might be disposed to his thinking like the Nation of Islam that finds some appeal here. But his style of grievance-mongering/proselytization makes leftists' job harder trying to frame Jihad as being an outgrowth of supposed Western evil-doing like our presence in the Middle East or Palestinian discontent.
Fortunately, since many Muslims don't understand our societies, they can't manipulate them directly very well. We have our home-grown leftists that can do the job for them better.
at September 7, 2007 7:04 PM
Mohammedans revere both Mo and Jesus since both of their teachings are so in harmony with one another (sarc)
Posted by: j_not_a at September 7, 2007 7:05 PM
The syntax of this screed tells me that it is addressed to each of us as individuals. He speaks of "your politicians" and "your writers" and "your media."
No osama, you have it all wrong. The western media and its leaders are the best friends that islam ever had!
They, have done everything possible to promote islam in the west.
I on the other hand am your sworn enemy. I will NEVER convert to islam. You only have one choice according to your quaran in my case, and we both know what that means.
I'll be waiting for your henchmen to visit me -- I'll have a little surprise for them when they arrive.
Your friends in the western media and your pals george bush and tony blair won't approve of what I have in mind; but that is just too damned bad.
Thanks for your interest in my conversion to islam; but, take it as rejected on my part.
See you soon.
Posted by: witness at September 7, 2007 7:07 PM
Hey.. Salami&Bacon, y'all!
So you wanna be a moslem? I mean who could resist the invitation from this nice smelly man who is sitting in his cave?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z968llHGTIA
Posted by: Allahfanculo at September 7, 2007 7:12 PM
I do my part, mad,
If you're ever around Modesto, and see a black lifted F-350 dually with a OBL bobble-head (head only, no body), impaled on a miniature crusader sword on the dashboard...that's ME! and there's only one model like that here...can't miss it as I get honks of approval & thumbs-up everywhere I go!
Gee...wonder why...
(it's REALLY pisses off the militant durkas here, few that they are, as most are in their enclaves in san franpsycho where they can spew their BS & fear to come out here in force)
lol
at September 7, 2007 7:15 PM
Here is a link to the Usama video as aired on Aljazeera:
http://kleinverzet.blogspot.com/2007/09/new-osama-bin-laden-tape.html
Posted by: Ferdy at September 7, 2007 7:15 PM
Actually feel encouraged that Robert Spencer's
message is getting through when read various newspapers online this morning.
There is a feature in one where U.N condemns Swiss for their 'racist & xenophobic'
policies-some Swiss are calling for all foreigners AND THEIR FAMILIES TO BE DEPORTED AFTER COMMITING CRIMES! The same Swiss guy who has protested [successfully] against MINARETS,cites the example of a 13 yr Swiss girl
raped by a gang of foreigners[obviously wasn't wearing a hijab ], word 'MUSLIM' isn't used for
PC reasons. Interestingly, replies from British
people about article AGREE WITH SWISS 'RACISTS' &
WISH BRITAIN HAD THE BALLS TO DO THE SAME!!
The Times is getting bolder & printing articles
critical of Islam whilst The Telegraph has always
been one of the few who dared to mention what 'Religion of Peace' was doing around the world. Even that prize Dhimmi outfit-BBC has criticized & drawn attention to Jihadi literature
in libraries of Lambeth-paid for by British taxpayers.
It's taken a long time but see some light at end of this particular tunnel...
at September 7, 2007 7:18 PM
Osama says, “Your Christian brothers have been living among us for 14 centuries: in Egypt alone, there are millions of Christians whom we have not incinerated and shall not incinerate.”
Well isn’t that nice!
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/017742.php
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/017707.php
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/017684.php
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/017348.php
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/017052.php
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/015558.php
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/015312.php
Nice you Muslims haven’t gotten around to incinerating all of them yet, but can you explain this Osama?
at September 7, 2007 7:26 PM
Sorry about so many duplicates-had trouble posting-please delete.
Posted by: Morgane at September 7, 2007 7:32 PM
Michael Chertkof says Osama wants us to embrace "his particular brand" of Islam. Where did he use the words "my brand of Islam", Mr Homeland Security?
Watch the spin, folks.
at September 7, 2007 7:35 PM
-that he's not where he wanted to be 6 years from 9/11,
-he's losing his ass for obvious reasons, and
-his sourpussing is a testament to his despair, brought on by his own actions...not to mention
-he doesn't even address his original demands which weren't an "invite", but an ultimatum.
-he doesn't have a grip on how westerners operate like he'd like us to think
-he got his wish, to change America forever, just not the way he thought
-he echoes the talking points of anyone who fits his "the enemy of my enemy" crap
(no, OBL, the enemy of my enemy is STILL my enemy)
-his actions have demostrated he's pure taqqiyahesque
He's desperate for any success
Please join us. We won't behead you right away. We're for the flat tax, like Forbes was, only a lower rate, I promise! If only the Dhimmicrats did what you elected them to do we would all be happy now! Why can't we all just get along?
Posted by: tedders at September 7, 2007 7:50 PM
Well now, I would swear I have argued with him at YouTube. I've seen the same BS there.
Posted by: interestinconundrum at September 7, 2007 7:57 PM
CAIR has made much of its several carefully worded "condemnations" of terrorism. I'm interested in seeing if any CAIR organization in the country comes out with any public statements about Osama's latest monologue. I've checked the CAIR-net.org site and the Cair-Florida.org site and I see nothing yet.
If anyone sees anything, please post a link.
On another note, Ahmed Bedier is forever talking about all the "hate crimes" against muslims, but apparently there are so few that the list posted on the home page of their web site almost never changes. They are still listing a handful of incidents that are very old. One of their newest headlines is the case of a muslim man in an Orlando, Florida shopping mall, who claims a woman cut in front of him, pushed him, and called him a terrorist, which they deemed a "racial slur." I'm not sure what "race" they are referring to here. The police seem to have a different version of what happened and so far have refused to become involved. Enter CAIR to force the issue. Anyone want to see the news video, it's here: http://www.wftv.com/video/13908313/index.html
Why do I have a hard time with the credibility of this claim?
at September 7, 2007 8:06 PM
So obl doesn’t practice mike serpenthead’s particular form of islam? Could have fooled me, hey serp (hope ya dont mind the nic), tell me more as a matter of fact tell me all you know about what you appear to know nothing about. If you don’t have something factually based to say to Americans please just keep your mouth shut, at least until we have seen fit to elect you to something, like neighborhood gopher hunter perhaps.
Posted by: tgusa at September 7, 2007 8:14 PM
"Nuts!"
Posted by: McSeamus at September 7, 2007 8:16 PM
Gotta love the murder cult's insipid attempts to hijack the Hebrew prophets & Jesus. Muhammad had a fixation with Judaism & Christianity...because it presented some legit spirituality compared to the roots of Arab paganism.
The problem with trying to take Jesus is His Hebrew name [Yeshua] proclaims salvation through their Deity YHWH. Then again like any ignorant cult their reasoning doesn't extend beyond their noses.
at September 7, 2007 8:24 PM
Bin Laden is obviously appealing to the religiously deteriorating Christian left in the US. Attempting to coerce those who have all but abandoned Christian values to re-embrace faith via submission to Allah and Islam. They are ripe for the picking in my estimation, which makes him all the more dangerous.
No one educated about Islam here at JW will fall for the propoganda, since no sane person would desire that which has proven itself to be nothing more than another failed attempt at theocratic socialism, which has always failed historically.
He is undoubtably fulfilling his Islamic requirement of inviting his enemies to repent and submit to the will of Allah. The only question left is the backlash against the West by the hands of his brethren, in the not too distant future, again, assured at some point in time.
The key element I got from the entire manifesto, and unfortunately, I read every word, is that Bin Laden is certainly not practicing a vile, heretical form of Islam as the media and Islamic apologists portray, but rather "true" Islam. This is the Islam of Muhammad directly, a return to the historical tail-end of Islam's "revelations" by Muhammad from Medina, when Islam was growing in power, the abrogated version to suit Muhammad's historical needs and wants, similar to the Wahabbi ideology which dominates Saudi Arabia today through and their insipid intentions.
Bin Laden is a very cunning and dangerous man. He was well-educated here in the West. He is intelligent. Fortunately for us, his intelligence is more than offset by the intelligence and diligence of the administrators of this site, especially Robert Spencer, who in another thread today right here on JW, has exposed Muhammad's "naskh" for what it is, and effectively shielded us from the propoganda of Bin Laden.
Bin Laden does his best to emulate Muhammad's intent. Unfortunately, our comprehension here at JW is stil the minority in the West, especially among those who shape our legislation.
This is what needs to change, or rather, be changed.
What say you Hugh?
Posted by: awake at September 7, 2007 8:24 PM
"serpenthead"?...lol, that was the nickname of james carville last decade...lol
While you're right-he's not the brightest bulb on the tree (I think he's in the wrong line of work), he can't come out and imply all of islam-yet, lest he incur the wrath of the brownshirts of political correctness at the behest of their CAIR masters, since the 5th column infestations have done just that in every facet of our lives-because we all allowed it under the guise of "tolerance".
We get what we tolerate...and now it's anchored in.
Much like the mOslem gestapo in academia, they pay extremely close attention to every word uttered from officials.
Give it time...eventually we'll get to the task of ripping PC completely out by the roots and toss into the dustbin of history's follies forever where it belongs.
It won't happen overnight...but it will happen.
at September 7, 2007 8:25 PM
That’s a Schlussel special hot off the grill (wink wink) from debbieschlussel.com. I didn’t know there was a James serpenthead. separated at birth, or do we have an under the radar infestation on our hands?
Posted by: tgusa at September 7, 2007 8:40 PM
Osama is little more than a former playboy who repented and fervently embraced religion. Kinda like Bush, in some ways.
Posted by: RoobartSbansar at September 7, 2007 8:44 PM
Osama is a lot like a garden variety leftist in his views, except that he understands Islam a lot better. It's a shame that more people don't realize that and draw the obvious conclusions.
Posted by: jewdog at September 7, 2007 8:47 PM
lol tgusa,
good one...who knows?
at September 7, 2007 8:50 PM
As others have said, "A very tempting offer". I must decline as I haven't finished being all rational and logical and your death cult would shorten my enjoyment of my current state of mind.
Dude, nice dye job!
Posted by: Abu_Lahab at September 7, 2007 9:00 PM
I still suspect it's just cheap shoe polish...lol
Posted by: jcom972 at September 7, 2007 9:04 PM
Sock-puppet Osama bin Laden - with black beard for renewed jihad - has spoken his da'wa to America from shaitan. His invitation is soundly rejected. He's dead.. err occultated.
Begone shaitan! And take back your sock-puppet Osama with you to hell.
Posted by: Battle_of_Tours at September 7, 2007 9:06 PM
Jcom,
I’ll be on the lookout for that keen impaled osamahead bobblehead (rotflmao) you have next time I am up Modesto way. Maybe you could make one for me just like it, sort of. I have this surplus bob, from the old bobs big boy burger joints, its about 8 feet tall and I was hoping to mount it on a van. You think the DMV or the CHP will allow it do I need a special permit? If I do this is it a hate crime? Can you construct a sword that large?
at September 7, 2007 9:16 PM
Not only is there precedent for inviting others to Islam before attacking them, there is something eerie about the timing of this particular invitation.
"Then the apostle sent Khakid b. al-Walid ... to the B. al Harith and ordered him to invite them to Islam three days before he attacked them. If they accepted then he was to accept it from them; and if they declined he was to fight them."
- Ibn Ishaq, p. 645
Three days, huh? What remarkable occasion is about three days away??
Posted by: careylj at September 7, 2007 9:27 PM
ban it
then kill it
this ROP . . .
/Friday Plan # 1
Posted by: Crunchy Jello at September 7, 2007 9:32 PM
Final questions Jcom,
Would you need to hire a craftsman with similar skills as the one who recently worked on obl to do the reconstruction or can you do that yourself? I already have the giant fake beard I just cant decide, black or henna, henna or black. Decisions decisions, I say lets go all the way, jihad black, what do you think?
Yhanks tgusa
at September 7, 2007 9:39 PM
Robert,
As soon as I heard this statement I thought immediately of the things you outlined: that it is part of the required ritual that is part of the jihad. First, the invitations. Lastly, violence visited upon the kafirs. On not one newscast or news article has anyone taken note of this. If we are to progress in inoculating ourselves from this pestilence, we need to understand the enemy's logic. Sadly, the influence of our elites and the simple fact of sloth account for the dearth of understanding we see around us.
at September 7, 2007 9:47 PM
"Osama is little more than a former playboy who repented and fervently embraced religion. Kinda like Bush, in some ways."
Posted by: RoobartSbansar at September 7, 2007 8:44 PM
The attempted moral equivalence of the mastermind behind 9/11, the "playboy" bin Laden and GWB, guilty of much, but not what you are accusing him of, does not sit well here with me.
By the way, GBA, when are you due in Europe, hopefully follwed by your cessation of posting here at this site?
Just wondering, no, hoping actually.
Posted by: awake at September 7, 2007 9:49 PM
message to Osama
i piss on you and your people.
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at September 7, 2007 10:00 PM
Most non-muslims don't recognioze the hidden and deceptive hostility of Islam. Islam is designed to decieve and subjugate non-muslims. Deception helps a long way in achieving that goal. Another sneaky way of spreading Islam is to build a mosque, a madrasa, an Islamic center, an Islamic cemetry. Little does one know that a land on which these are built, is considered to be muslim for ever. Yes, FOREVER! Think about it...
And this is one of the many ways Islam grabs land and imposes itself on non-muslims. Often without the victims realizing it.
Posted by: Alert at September 7, 2007 10:05 PM
"One pro-bin laden website put it this way: "The truth is that a Muslim who reads the Qur'an with devotion is determined to reach the battlefield in order to attain the reality of Jihad. It is solely for this reason that the Kufaar conspire to keep Muslims far away from understanding the Qur'an, knowing that the Muslims who understand the Qur'an will not distance themselves from Jihad."
Religion of Peace? pg 70
Well seems most Kufaar would also prefer to lie to themselves about this as well Osama, but lucky for us we see you and your kind from a mile away here. We are spreading the word too.
at September 7, 2007 10:24 PM
Sorry, Osama.
My God wouldn't like it, my friends and family wouldn't like it, and if it meant that I would have to stop building guidance systems for Hellfire (the better to blow you up with, my dear) I wouldn't like it.
@cumulusnine: I'm with you. I have a lot of difficulty believing this poor Mohammedan's story. Unless the woman who "assaulted" him was my mother...
at September 7, 2007 10:25 PM
Interesting, I like what he's doing,
Check him out..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qTUz5KFeP8
Posted by: Joe Schmoe USA at September 7, 2007 10:40 PM
Say to Osama and the Gang:
I was raised in the Spirit of Patrick Henry "Give me Liberty or give me Death." So 'till death do we part, don't bother inviting me to your party anymore. Freak. Bring on your Jihad, I fight for LIVE FREE OR DIE. Any one out there with me? And I must admit you scare alot of the masses but not all will bend over for you or your.. allah.
Posted by: Infidel Brotherhood at September 7, 2007 10:48 PM
What is sad is the chorus of voices that will dismiss OBL as fringe on not a real muslim in any way shape or form , and say it with out a shred of evidence and without any proof ever to be forth coming.
Posted by: KAOSKTRL at September 7, 2007 10:59 PM
Dear Osama,
Thank you very much for the invitation to join your little kaffir klatch, unfortunately at this time I must decline. Due to prior commitments (cleaning and loading weapons, stocking up on more ammo and more weapons) I shall not be able to participate. However, I would like to extend an invitation to you to come and visit me the next time your in Oregon. My place is easy to find, just look for the little red dot on your chest and follow it to my door.
Thanks again, and f#&k you!
"Apostates of the world, Unite!"
"Stop Muslim immigration now"
"Islam, abusing women since 622AD"
at September 7, 2007 11:05 PM
I think most of the people on this site miss the point that OBL is using us to play to the home crowd. We (the West) are just a far away, unknown alien group that the ignorant Muslim masses are told to despise; OBL knows how to use us to prop up his own image.
Posted by: ReligionofPeas at September 7, 2007 11:27 PM
Who is allah?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMu79XbYJwc&mode=related&search=
The music rocks too.
Posted by: interestinconundrum at September 7, 2007 11:40 PM
Since no one has identified themselves as Christian. Let me explain the facts of life on why a true Christians would never never convert to something as inferior as Islam.
One, eternal life is the gift of God in Christ. Why would I insult God by trying to earn it by converting to Islam and submitting.
Eph 2:8
Two, Jesus is the creator not allah.
Col 1:16
Three, Jesus paid the price for my sin allowing, God to offer the gift (see above) and he rose again three days later according to Scripture. The Koran is wrong he is alive today. Mohammad is dead and allah is not god and never existed.
John 2:19-21
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أحد ، الحياة الابديه هي هبة من الله في المسيح. لماذا أنا اهانة الله بمحاوله كسب بها التحول الى الاسلام وتقديمه.
المعهد 2:8
الثاني ، يسوع هو الله الخالق لا.
العمود 1:16
الثلاثة ، يسوع دفع ثمن خطيءه بلادي السماح له بتقديم الهدايا (انظر اعلاه) ، وارتقى مرة اخرى بعد ثلاثة ايام حسب النص. القرآن خطأ وهو على قيد الحياة اليوم. محمد ميت والله والله لا توجد ابدا.
جون 21-2:19-
So to make it perfectly clear. If a Christian converts to Islam, he/she was never a Christian. Most muslims are born into Islam. Real Christians are born again from above. BIG DIFFERENCE!
Posted by: Im.mad.as.HELL! at September 7, 2007 11:43 PM
Im.mad.as.HELL -- I completely agree with each point you made. Once you find the truth, then a lie holds zero appeal.
Posted by: champ at September 8, 2007 12:11 AM
JCOM972...we should go and get a doughnut at the Your Black Muslim Bakery together! I am in the tri-valley area...not far from Modesto.
I cannot believe we are not publicly ridiculing this woman, Osama bin Ladin. We must insult him to his core by calling him a woman or girl, and chide him for being afraid to come on out of his cave in Waziristan and martyr himself.
Posted by: AmericanTiger at September 8, 2007 12:11 AM
Outright lies and twisted truths. What authority does the Koran have regarding events written about well before Mohammed's birth and deception?
They believe in Jesus as a prophet. Alright, why then don't they believe in his teachings? Islam is an anathema to Christ. Mohammed's incoherent ramblings and murderous actions are an affront to God.
Allah is not Yahweh. Mohammed was a tool of Satan, there's no other explanation for the success of such a theologically absurd religion with murder, rape, abuse and theft at it's core. It's almost like the anti-Ten Commandments. Muslims may disagree, but your prophet gleefully committed these acts. Baal, Ashteroth and the other pagan Arabian gods live today - all guises of Satan.
There is no true spirit of Love in Islam. Jesus was the human embodiment of Love, Mohammed is the opposite and clearly an anti-christ.
Posted by: godislove at September 8, 2007 12:30 AM
"In another thread I posted about possible signs of stroke, too...along with the other signs of heath deterioration.
He's definitely in despair...and looks to not "die as a martyr" as he'd hoped...but that of a helpless invalid (which is more of a benefit than giving him his wish of "martyrdom")."......
someone posted earlier
I suspect old binny boy could die in the out house (where he tapes his videos) and he will still be a martyr.It's so easy to be a martyr in islam because all you have to do is kill yourself.Just like it's easy to be a lion and a hero in islam
all you have to do is kill anybody and anything to the tune of allahs will,even your own people.
Pathetic.Islam is loserific.
at September 8, 2007 12:57 AM
I just had my first serious experience of Da'wa. It was pretty disturbing.
I was down in San Francisco's Mongomery Street BART station, and there was a 'Why Islam' table set up, right in the main concourse. (Of course, I myself ask "why Islam" on a regular basis).
I was rather taken aback, but decided that I should see what they had to say. There were two people manning the table--a hostile dude in full beard who did nothing but scowl at me--an "uncovered" woman in a short-sleeved dress. The other guy looked a lot more approachable, though--a young, clean-shaven, smiling fellow.
I told him I was interested in learning more about Islam and had read the Qu'ran in translation (true). They had a lot of glossy and attractive brochures--"Women in Islam", "Ecology and Islam", "Jesus in Islam", "The Last Prophet", etc. I knew I couldn't tackle every topic, so I just chose two--Jesus in Islam and the status of women.
I scanned the brochures--there was a lot of Taqiyya--we revere Jesus, just like Christians, we respect women, etc. I expected more of the same from this friendly fellow (I found out he was from Iran). At first, that's just what I got. As he found out I was at least a little bit knowledgable about Islam, though, I was truly shocked at what he admitted to me.
I said I knew that Islam revered Jesus and Mary. He enthusiastically confirmed this. I went on to say that I realized that the Islamic Isa wasn't exactly the Christian Jesus--that, for instance, he had never been crucified, etc, etc. He agreed and expanded on this. And I said that I knew that according to Islam Isa would return in the final days to smite Christians. I thought he would demur at this--but no. He said, "of course, because they have lied about him!" Note--he did not say that Christians were mistaken about Isa, his history, or true nature--but that they *lied* and were deserving of being cut down.
I admit I was rather stunned by his admission. We went on to talk about women in Islam. He asserted that women in Islam are respected and are fully equal to men. I brought up a few things such as polygamy, the worth of women's testimony and wife beating. He started to backtrack--saying this was all cultural. I mentioned little Aisha marrying the Prophet at the age of nine. He said some scholars thought she might have been sixteen (we've heard this before). I cut him off and said I supposed that Islam has a different interpretation of "respect" from what it meant in the West.
I was surprised--he immediately dropped the "cultural" argument. He warmed to the topic, saying, yes, that Allah had a different plan for women. I asked again about Aisha--he dropped his assertion that she was older and freely admitted that marriage to young girls was allowed in Islam, and was considered "beneficial" to them.
I mentioned the hadith where Mohammed had counseled that a girl should not see her first blood (menstruation) in her father's house. He said he was not familiar with that hadith but was going to look it up. He sounded quite enthusiastic. (Later, I looked up the quote and realized that I had screwed up--this wasn't a quote from Mo, but from Ayatolla Khomeni).
I said that, well, this wasn't lawful in the West, which he acknowledged. I said, but, if we were living under Shari'ah... at this point, he did demur--saying, hurredly that, of course, everything would be different then, but we're not. He gave me a slew of brochures, then, rather surprisingly--given the startling conversation we had just had--shook my hand. He said I could call or check out the web site if I had any more questions.
I *never* thought a proponant of Da'wa would admit so much ugliness to a strange Infidel--and a woman at that. I guess he thought that because I was familiar with some of these Islamic ideas, that I agreed with them.
Incidently--Mongomery station is in the very heart of downtown San Francisco's financial district. Montgomery street is known as "the Wall Street of the West" for the presence of the Pacific Stock Exchange.
I later asked a BART station agent if "Why Islam" had a permit to set up there. The agent didn't know anything about it, and wasn't all that interested.
at September 8, 2007 12:58 AM
Clearly our brilliant analysts, pundits, and terrorism experts still do not consider the religious aspects of this conflict relevant; they actually believe that it's all about political power. But they are obviously expecting an imminent, major, worse than 9-11 terror attack because in their usual, cover-their-asses, discreet way, like in a speech at the CFR, they make it clear that a major hit is coming soon. I guess they're depending on the reliable mainstream media to make the public aware of their predictions so nobody will be able to accuse them of not warning us. In the last three days I have heard at least five prominent figures connected to HLS, CIA, or FBI predict catastrophic, devastating, probably multiple terror attacks on U.S. soil. Gee, if they know so much, why can't they stop them? I thought we were fighting "them" over there so we won't have to fight them here. It is pathetic and infuriating to hear the head of the CIA say that more catastrophic terror attacks on America are inevitable, in fact, imminent. Well, as long as we have muslims in America, that threat will never diminish.
I heard every one of these predictions almost accidentally and all on the radio. Someone said in an earlier post that an islamic army was being built in America, funded by the Saudis. I believe it. I also believe that hundreds, maybe thousands of muslim terrorists have come into the country from Mexico. This latest bin Laden tape is very ominous. The security of America has been egregiously neglected to pay for the endless war and reconstruction of Iraq, and by the tireless efforts of the ACLU and left-wing activists to weaken the Patriot Act and challenge every policy designed to identify terrorists before they strike. If the predictions of imminent, catastrophic terror attacks prove true, we might need some of that money to rebuild America.
Posted by: Susanp at September 8, 2007 12:58 AM
There's only one possible way for bin Laden and his followers to defeat the West and that is if the West loses its mind and will. Thus, the ultimate enemy are those Westerners who with their political correctness, multiculturalism, self-loathing, knee-jerk reaction against the use of military force, exculpatory explanations for Muslim atrocities, stupid outreach to the Islamic world and continued ignorance of the true nature of the world's most wretched religion refuse to see that Islam is a gigantic loser, a parasite of enormous proportions that will always produce murderous thugs like Osama, that could never match the resources and ingenuity of the West unless the West lets it. It's touch and go right now respecting whether the West will let Islam prevail. It's all wrapped up with the will to win and a recognition that the Judeo-Christian ethic supercedes the Mohammedan warped ethic infinitely so. Will and knowledge are the keys to victory. This would include a realization that there is no compromise with Islam.
Posted by: Wellington
at September 8, 2007 1:46 AM
It's late. I haven't read all the posts, but what I've skimmed seems to miss a few major points:
bin Laden
1) decides now is a good time to come out of the closet ... after 3 yrs,
... sporting the new "jihad-doo"
... feeling unappreciated for his earlier audio works
2) issues a "call to Islam"
... prerequisite before attack
... suggests that Islam is a useful tool for political intimidation
... claims that's why he was tapping his foot and waving under the stall divider
3) attempts to "divide & conquer" by pretending to adopt "progressive" causes,
... corporate greed and political influence
... global warming (corporation-caused)
... multiculturist appeasement (corporation-resisted)
... neocooooonzzz (read "corporation-controlled useful idiots of the Jooooozzz")
... plugs Chomsky et al
... reveals himself as long-time Daily Kos contributor "OhMamaBunSodom"
4) flip-flops on Iraq from "stay the course" (so we can kill you) to "cut & run" (so you can kill yourselves)
5) shifts ideological focus from "Arab apostates" and "secularists" to "corporate leaders".
... Ummm, if I were a corporate leader, I think I'd randomly change my itenerary for the next week.
at September 8, 2007 3:17 AM
"The security of America has been egregiously neglected to pay for the endless war and reconstruction of Iraq"
Really? I thought it was so the elites could hire cheap labor and pass some of their business costs on to the "lower classes". This has been one of the biggest transfers of wealth in US history (from the poor to the rich). And then, what a great way to get people to agree to govt. run healthcare; bring in a mass of uneducated, low-skilled workers who won't pay for their healthcare or support their own families. The taxpayers get mad and demand the same. The same people complain about the invasion of privacy from the Patriot Act, and are too dumb to understand the irony of it.
Telling the truth about Islam is now some kind of 'phobia', like telling the truth about homosexuality.
The country is falling apart in so many ways.....
Posted by: lafn at September 8, 2007 3:24 AM
I don't have time to look it up right now - but when was it that OBL sent his very first 'invitation to Islam' to the US president and people (like Mohammed, according to legend, writing to the Byzantine and Persian rulers)?
Do we know whether similar 'invitations' (i.e. SUBMIT TO SPIRITUAL SLAVERY AND A MUSLIM DESPOTISM, OR ELSE!) were issued to other world leaders around the same time?
Imagine those world leaders who are non-Muslims - at the APEC gathering right now - putting their heads together and comparing the 'convert to Islam or else' love letters they've been getting in recent years - the ones that have been 'followed up' not by bunches of red roses but by large explosions.
We need a parodist who can create a blackly comic TV skit loosely inspired by the 'Merry Wives of Windsor'. Remember how Falstaff sends his identical wooing letters to Mistress Page and Mistress Ford, with a view to seducing them and thus getting his claws on their husbands' money? and the two ladies compare notes scathingly, and set out to teach him a lesson he won't forget? Starring, say, the US, Russian and Chinese presidents in drag, playing the ladies, and an OBL lookalike as 'The Sheik', Falstaff's evil Islamic alter ego.
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at September 8, 2007 4:18 AM
Thanks for the usual insightful analysis, Robert. Why the media is not investigating "what they really want" (which of course is our conversion to Islam) is a mystery to me.
Posted by: Bingo at September 8, 2007 6:59 AM
has anyone seen the results of bin laden's speech affecting the liberal world? are liberal press writers sympathising with this new release? i can see a few thousand more europeans converting to islam once they hear him.
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at September 8, 2007 7:06 AM
gravenimage -- Wow. Good for you for keeping your cool. I wonder if they had a permit.
Posted by: Josephine at September 8, 2007 7:38 AM
Looks like Osama's found his "own personal Jesus"
But it's not the Jesus of Christianity.
at September 8, 2007 8:37 AM
Gee, gravenimage, no brochures on Murder in Islam?
They left that one out. The next time you run into that clean shaven guy, ask him for me about Mohammad murdering people. I'm sure he'll say its beneficial for them, too. Or at least beneficial for islam and that makes it ok.
spit,spit, and spit again....
Posted by: Borg at September 8, 2007 9:00 AM
gravenimage-
Oh and they don't "revere Jesus just like Christians". The Jesus they revere doesn't say the same things or do the same things and would never come back and kill his followers, even if they were mistaken or even if they lied. He would forgive them their sins.
Posted by: Borg at September 8, 2007 9:05 AM
Concerning the "masses being stupid," - yes, they are, even American masses. The other day I got on my local newspaper's Comment Board as there was a "discussion" going on about Islam. The stupidity was unbelieveable. Just unbelievable. Here are so-called Americans in an average-American small city defending the Mohammedans! Defending Islam! Defending Mohammed! Saying the Koran is "not a hate book." It was sickening to behold. I began to realize just how much trouble we're in with ignorant Americans such as these.
Of course it was easy for me to see that in fact these Commenters knew NOTHING about the aforementioned subjects - they were just parroting the PC Media and afraid to look like "haters!" It was such a pathetic display of ignorance that finally I had to get off because it was too maddening to see such ignorance in the face of the huge worldwide Islamic threat. They are brainwashed by political correctness.
At least before I got off, ONE, count him, ONE, poster got on whose nic was ConcernedMan. "Finally, an informed, intelligent person," I said, because here's what ConcernedMan had to say: (paraphrase)
"I don't know much about the Koran, but I do know that WHEN the Muslims take over, we will have 3 options: Convert, live as slaves, die."
Then he defended the Crusades as "a measure to prevent the expansion of Islam into Europe, which was needed and necessary."
So, I wished ConcernedMan luck in continuing this "discussion." These "masses" had never even bothered to look into a Koran, yet felt entirely qualified to comment on it! Truly, I'm still amazed by the utter inanity I saw on that Comment Board, and it's two days later!
at September 8, 2007 9:17 AM
Open Letter to Osama Bin Laden-Reply to Convert
To: aljazeerapublishing
Disclaimer Note to Al Jazeera.
I am sendng this along on behalf of a friend who asked me so she can remain anonymous.I am just the messenger .don't shoot the messengers!
I Invite you to convert to Christianity; A reply to Osama Bin Laden and to all Muslims.
You have just invited Americans to become Muslims. If Americans were unfamiliar with, or complacent about Islam before 9-11, that certainly was a wake-up call that compelled Americans to look at Muslims and Islam with the utmost scrutiny. For this wake-up call the world should be grateful to you.
You invite us to join Islam? I suspect by this time we know Islam intimately and its history better than even you do. You see, you have only had the interest to study the book known as the Qur’an from its insides, words written within that you follow and love so dearly. But there is more. What about the foundations and history of this book? You have compelled us to study these, to look at what history has to say outside the Quran about Mohammed and this religion he preached. Let me share with you some of the undisputed facts about Islam.
Before Mohammed ‘cleansed’ the Kabba of many idols, it was in fact a pagan temple dedicated by Hindus (although they weren’t called Hindus yet). The tribe of Mohammed followed a primary idol known as Durga, the moon god Al-llat who was represented by the crescent moon to the Arabs and the Hindus. Even before Mohammed claimed prophetic visions he wanted to be a Hebrew (obviously people he admired for their intelligence and beauty) and so he began emulating the Hebrews and their monotheism, but the Jews could not accept Mohammed (for a lot of legitimate reasons, primarily because Biblical law is very strict about how prophets are to be chosen by God and Mohammed did not fill the Bible's own instructions, thus he could not have been a prophet of the same Bible. That would be a contradiciton).
And so Mohammed became angry with the Jews and Chrisitians and turned against them and began having his visions of his own god in his own way. God ceased to be called by the name Ar-Rahman and Mohammed began using the word Al-Llah to describe his god. This was never the Christian or Hebrew Yahweh ( Elohei Avraham, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob), but the pagan Arab-Hindu Al-Lat of the Qurashi tribe. (Al simple meant ‘the’ and ilah meant ‘goddess’, not God)
Thus we also went from descriptions of Paradise full of light and angels and the face of God, to promises of Paradise for men and their 72 virgins and unlimited young boys, food, and pleasures. Well, this was a novel new approach if nothing else! Mohammed even reinvented Heaven!
How did the association of Islam with violence and the sword begin? Why even before Mohammed thought to call his religion Islam (submission) and to call his god Allah (Durga) cowardly night killings of all dissenters was sanctioned by Mohammed himself. Consider the horrific deaths of these elderly men and poetesses; al Harith b. Suwayed b. Samit, Abu Afak, Asma b. Marwan, those killed by Amr Umayya, and then began those times when Mohammed broke with all the established rules of warfare and made raids during religious holy days and against caravans and peoples he only ‘suspected’ might be against him. No one had to make a move toward Mohammed. He always attacked first. Well, let's not forget that he often sent letters just like yours warning people to become Muslims before he used violence against them.Altogether he raised 65 military campaigns and was still ordering warfare on his deathbed.
All this raised the question: “What makes a man of God if not his own deeds and good conduct?’ If Mohammed lied, ordered illegal attacks and warfare even against poetesses, called people decendents of monkies and pigs, cursed them to hell, what manner of man would do such things? A godly man? Not compared with men like Buddha and Jesus!
And now we come to the 21st century. The entire world speaks excitedly of men and women exploring the stars together, colonizing other planets, and all being democratic and equal. But not Islam. Not Muslims. You instead invite all Americans to go backward in time, to live as 15th century Arabs when women must remain second class citizens, covered head to toe, and unequal to the intelligence of man.
Honestly Osama, I don’t know of one American woman (or man for that matter) who wants to go backward instead of forward financially, intellectually, in education, in science.
You are but a victim yourself from a country and a belief system that is trapped, locked in a faraway time and place that you think was great and wonderful but in fact was cruel and brutal. You want us to cut off hands, behead innocent captives, and stone people to death in some backward leap in time and yet you dare tell us this is ‘better?’ Better than what?
Jesus was a prophet of gentleness who never had to threaten or kill anyone. Even while facing his death he did not utter curses or words of damnation against anyone. He forgave them. He would probably forgive you too Osama, although I personally consider that a stretch. You have a lot of innocent blood on your hands, something you seem proud of, but something Jesus may find sad and shocking.
You invite us to join Islam, but we have done our study of your religion and find it seriously wanting in kindness, intelligence, equality, opportunity, devoid of spirituality (although not devoid of mindless prayers five times a day) cruel and backward.
Since you gave the entire world that ‘wake-up call’ on 9-11, and so much more, like bombing the Bamiyan Buddha, India Parliament, Bali, Madrid, and the endless verbal and terrorist attacks against Jews, Christians, and Buddhists around the world, we have considered Islam and we reject it.
That leaves all Muslims only one alternative. I invite all Muslims to leave Islam and become Christians, or Jews, or Buddhists, or even Hindus, Sikhs, or Zoroastrians. Islam now has the fastest and largest rate of conversions of all religions in the world. In the first year after the 9-11 attacks over 2 million Muslims left Islam for other religions, primarily Christianity. . Each year the number leaving Islam grows larger. I urge you to join them now Osama, and I urge all Muslims around the world to leave that insanity as fast as possible and join the side of rational, intelligent, spiritual human beings who will love you and wlecome you out of 15th century Arabia and into the 21st century Space Age.
Welcome to Christianity, the good side of mankind.
Aisha Shameem
at September 8, 2007 9:58 AM
And I invite Osama to eat poop and die.
Posted by: RoobartSbansar at September 8, 2007 10:13 AM
Junk like this is enough to turn a person into an atheist. Arguing religion is as stupid as trying to herd cats. Any nutcase can take any religion and turn it into a reason to kill. But in the end, it is frightening, all of it.
Posted by: eneri at September 8, 2007 11:10 AM
Imagine if President Bush or the Pope sent an open letter to all Muslims worldwide inviting them to become Christians.
How many marches, riots, acts of violence, etc., do you think there would be by offended Muslims?
Unreal.
Posted by: Josephine at September 8, 2007 11:14 AM
Just think, if we were all Muslims, we would be concerned with grave questions such as: Is clapping halal or haram?
Interesting comments thread on this blog:
http://www.safiyyah.ca/wordpress/?p=209
I'm sure OBL would much rather have us spend time pondering these unfathomable issues than making art or sharing a good meal (with wine) and laughing with our friends.
Posted by: Josephine at September 8, 2007 11:56 AM
darcy -
Is this the forum?
http://blog.nola.com/times-picayune/2007/09/jesus_gets_company_on_slidell.html
at September 8, 2007 12:14 PM
I have watched the part of the available tape segments just once. I noticed that OBL does not use his hands very much. I noticed him gesticualting with his right hand. I find this peculiar for a lefty. I am also lefthanded, so I took note. His Islamism could have made him selfconscious of his being lefthanded.
Posted by: Pelayo at September 8, 2007 12:40 PM
I hope our idiot politicians realize this is a threat and a tactic taken straight from the Koran. if not, I hope the people in the US will tell them so.
I wish i could email that pinhead Osama and tell him where to stick his invitation.
Islam is not a religion its a death cult.
Posted by: precept at September 8, 2007 1:07 PM
You can email that pinhead right here. Adam the traitor, OBL's scriptwriter, is stuck in the cave reading blogs, apparently mostly Kos and DU maybe some NYT, because the pizza boxes are stacked up in the cave entrance and he can't get out. But we know he reads Spencer.
Adam - Chompsky?? you gotta be kidding... Oh, FYI, the low taxes thing? That's a real head scratcher for Reid, Pelosi, Kennedy, etc. That just doesn't compute. Let me guess - OBL ad-libbed that one - not your fault. Well straighten him out on that one next time.
When OBL delivers the next batch of pizzas, kindly inform him regarding his invitation - err... no. And don't bother with step 2, the jizya and dhimmi nonsense. Let's just move on to step 3 before I die of old age, you simpering bunch of whiners.
Posted by: Bill in AZ at September 8, 2007 5:15 PM
Yes, it is, Borg - how did you know?
Posted by: darcy at September 8, 2007 5:47 PM
Because of the utter and complete stupidity?
If you're on JW, I believe that's what you must think.
Posted by: darcy at September 8, 2007 6:02 PM
darcy- You gave enough info. Be careful. Especially with names. I was curious how large the forum was that you referenced. I googled ConcernedMan forum islam and it came right up.
Maybe when you talk to kit and vchip you could tell them how lovely their life will be under sharia law. Most don't understand the implications of that. They seem to think it is only for muslims and stops at hand cutting for thieves.
vchip said he doesn't see any muslims trying to take over the world. And he says he has read his own koran. That it's not a religion based on hate. His reading comprehension must be poor. Or he has muslims friends and they "explained" it to him. He referenced the old testement repeatedly.
Try this.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018083.php
at September 8, 2007 11:41 PM
Maybe you could forward the story to your local paper?
The orginal story is here.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece
Posted by: Borg at September 8, 2007 11:47 PM
Borg wrote:
Gee, gravenimage, no brochures on Murder in Islam?
They left that one out. The next time you run into that clean shaven guy, ask him for me about Mohammad murdering people. I'm sure he'll say its beneficial for them, too. Or at least beneficial for islam and that makes it ok.
........
Oh and they don't "revere Jesus just like Christians". The Jesus they revere doesn't say the same things or do the same things and would never come back and kill his followers, even if they were mistaken or even if they lied. He would forgive them their sins.
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Dear Borg, please don't think I was swayed by this prosletizing. In fact, I found it appalling and hope I made this clear in my post. I kept my comments fairy neutral to see what he would say.
I sure that someone less knowledable than myself--not that I am an expert--would have come away with a much sunnier view of Islam.
I was just amazed at how much of the ugliness he revealed to me. Guess it's hard to keep it under wraps when there is so much of it.
Josephine wrote:
gravenimage -- Wow. Good for you for keeping your cool. I wonder if they had a permit.
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Thanks. Actually, I got pretty freaked out when he asked me for contact information! I do need to follow up and see if they had a permit. Does anyone know anything else about the group "Why Islam?" They have a pretty slick (as in oily) web site.
Posted by: gravenimage at September 9, 2007 12:06 AM
Dear Osama,
Thank you very much for you invitation to join Islam. Unfortunately, I've already given my soul to Jesus. Not your 'Isa', but Jesus- the One who died for my sins on calvary.
It's odd that your invitation should arrive at this time. Just last weekend I was out target shooting, and you and your dear friends came to mind.
Your new look is just incredible! The dark color of your beard and face really stand out agaist a light background. I can't help but think how your head would look like a little black pumpkin standing on top of a white fence post through the peep sight on my Schmidt-Rubin.
Take care! I hope you can get a little better rest- you look like heck in that picture. Hope we can meet in person sometime in the future.
Sincerely Yours,
Live Free or Die!
at September 9, 2007 12:09 AM
I, in turn, invite Osama to repent of his homicidal sins, his following of a 7th century pedophile, his contempt for life, and to put an AK-47 barrel in his mouth and do all creation a favor and squeeze.
It clears the sinuses, too.
You look congested.
Posted by: profitsbeard at September 9, 2007 3:56 AM
It is interesting that OBL quotes the Surah that most easily proves the Quran false.
In the Quran, Muhammed confuses Mary the mother of Jesus with Miriam the sister of Moses. The father of Moses and Miriam was Imran while the father of Mary was Joachim (Heli). There was nearly fifteen hundred years between the two women.
Posted by: Provoslavni at September 10, 2007 12:50 PM
Anyone with an IQ over 40 would by far prefer to embrace a cobra than Islam...
Posted by: pythagoras at September 10, 2007 4:03 PM
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