The malice of the malcontent erodes the soul.
"There's nothing more savage than an educated man with a personal grievance he considers a cosmic wrong." Ovid Demaris (sic)

Posted by: Shawmut at September 8, 2007 1:30 AM

If ANY of this jihad nonsense had popped up before 1939 in the west, it would have been treated in the correct way and that is like the plague that it is.

You cannot attach any really useful political or religious analogies to Islam. You can only use public health and safety ones.

Therefore: 1) isolate the organism rresponsible;
2) eliminate the vectors;
3) quarantine the hosts until they can prove that they are cured. If they cannot be cured then either isolate permanently or eliminate.

The Koran is the organism. The vectors are imams, madrassas, and mosques. The hosts are Muslims.

Really all quite simple, however non PC it may be.

However it will take a nuclear strike or a biological plague attack or a neurotoxin release anywhere in the west to make some of these idiots we call politicians, wake up that we are in the middle of an epidemic.

Posted by: MisIslamist at September 8, 2007 3:38 AM

Hicks & Fritz,

Fritz & Hicks,

Fritz the cat, Fritz the jihad cat,

don't know, reckon I should write another song?

http://sheikyermami.com/2006/12/19/harry-the-taliban/

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at September 8, 2007 4:02 AM

If Islam itself was considered problematic, and not just "Islamism", a more cautious approach would be taken in setting immigration policy. These converts would probably not have been sucked in if Germany had far fewer Muslims.

Posted by: jewdog at September 8, 2007 5:24 AM

Fritz, the (jihad) cat:

Abu Fritz on the dole: Fighting the jihad in the German country side…

http://sheikyermami.com/2007/09/08/fritz-the-jihad-cat/

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at September 8, 2007 8:14 AM

A hate speaker at a "multicultural house"! How about that. How ironic!

Posted by: usapatriot at September 8, 2007 8:28 AM

However it will take a nuclear strike or a biological plague attack or a neurotoxin release anywhere in the west to make some of these idiots we call politicians, wake up that we are in the middle of an epidemic.

Posted by: MisIslamist

Not true. All politicians who don't already understand the danger we face will go to their graves chanting: Islam is a religion of peace. They could be horrified at the devastation wrought when Islamists conducted a large scale attack (It could be anywhere, not just in America or Europe.) and all they'll murmur is: peace, Islam means peace. Even in front of a television camera. Three decades of brainwashing can't be undone, even by a nuclear attack. No one who hasn't let go of the "religion of peace" nonsense by now ever will. The politician that is the sole surviving member of his family will still be saying Islam means peace.

I now include George W. Bush among the chanters.

Posted by: PMK at September 8, 2007 8:48 AM

Fritz Gelowicz is a type, the same type as John Walker Lindh or David Hicks or for that matter Yvonne Ridley. He is psychically marginal. Confused, desiring to Be Enrolled In A Cause, to have that Total System not only comfortably there to tell him what to do, but to justify his miserable existence and make him think that everything he now does is part of a grand scheme. He is now allowed to indulge himself as he may have already before, in anti-social behavior, because now that behavior is not bad but good, directed at doing damage to Infidels. There are many such types all over the Western world. And Islam's missionaries who are all over the place --every Believer is supposed to be a missionary -- are quick to spot them, and to work on them.

Then there are the targetted groups of the economically marginal, those alienated, or with a grievance, against the larger society -- such as the black prisoners who have been the targets of Muslim proselytizers, or certain groups of immigrants in this country.

Neither group need be given the real, the full Islam. For example, it is doubtful that Muslim missionaries are quick to explain that Islam forbids not only statuary and most painting, but also most (and for some all) music. If that were known initially, a great many would-be converts might stop right there.

But no limits are placed by Infidel authorities on these efforts to win over converts who then become a danger to all Infidels, whether or not they actively participate in violent Jihad at the moment. They swell the ranks of Muslims, and from those ranks come those who do partipate directly in violent Jihad -- if not today, then tomorrow; if not in this generation, then possibly in the next. Jihad is not merely violence or terrorism; it is everything that removes obstacles to the spread and ultimately dominance by Islam, by Muslims. That has to be understood.

It is not understood by most of those "taking a leadership role" in the Western world. They are too fearful or too greedy or too unwilling to change their naive fixed views or simply too dumb --- timidity, cupidity, rigidity, stupidity, the Esdrujula Explanation -- to fulfill their responsibilities to both instruct and protect us. An entire generation of those in the political class must be replaced.

Posted by: Hugh at September 8, 2007 8:57 AM

It still amazes me that any westerner would choose to convert to Islam at this point in history.

These two not only converted but attempted to wage war against thier own country, and I cannot understand how anyone could do that.

Wasn't the innermost circle of Hell reserved for betrayers?

Too many westerners are detached from their past, and so loyalty must be a difficult concept for some. Perhaps the real problem is that some people don't know what they should be loyal to.

Posted by: GuitarBob at September 8, 2007 10:23 AM

Where are the Christian Missionaries when you need them?

A Nigerian priest used to tell me that Europe needed to be re-evangelized while Africa needed to be re-colonized.

Institutionalized secularism--as in Germany-- provides no reason to live or die--Islam will appeal to those who are spiritually seeking AND where there are none truly living and preaching the Christian message.

http://www.realclearreligion.com/

Posted by: genevieve at September 8, 2007 10:29 AM

MisIslamist:
If ANY of this jihad nonsense had popped up before 1939 in the west, it would have been treated in the correct way and that is like the plague that it is.

Sorry, MisIslamist, but you're very mistaken. An exact equivalent of this "jihad nonsense" - a supremacist ideology that viewed its opponents as dirty and inhuman, preached hatred of Jews and homosexuals, used violence against its critics, scorned the "weakness" and "decadence" of Western society, and aimed to turn free, democratic countries into totalitarian slave states shaped and dominated by its beliefs - popped up in the West in 1933.

The rest of the world didn't do a goddam thing to stop it until it was too late...

Posted by: Matamoros at September 8, 2007 10:34 AM

From the article:

"'We had to expect sooner or later that phenomena would become visible here that we had already seen in England, that people who turn to Islam for whatever reason also move to violence,' Steinbach said."

This article is interesting, too:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2407656.ece

"For the past nine months, since returning from a training camp in Pakistan, Fritz Gelowicz allegedly gathered 750kg of hydrogen peroxide to make several truck bombs that would be directed at American air bases or clubs and pubs frequented by Americans. But during that same period he also went through a number of rituals as if preparing himself for death, or at least for a dramatic change.

"In January, soon after being spotted spying on a US base in Hanau, he married a German-Turkish woman according to the strict rules of Islam; the bride wore a burka. A few days ago he mystified his parents by visiting them both and bidding them farewell."

Posted by: Josephine at September 8, 2007 11:36 AM

Isn't there also a Johann Gambolputty de von Ausfernschplendenschlittercrasscrenbonfrieddiggerdangledongledunglebursteinvonknackerhrasherapplebangerhorowitzticolensicgranderknottyspelltinklegrandlichgrumblemeyerspelterwasserkurstlichhimbleeisenbahnwagengutenabendbitteeinnürnburgerbratwurstlegerspurtenmittzweimacheluberhundsfutgumberabershoenendankerkalbsfleischmittleraucher von Hautkopft of Ulm?

I hadn't heard about Ulm being a hotbed of pious Islam.

Posted by: jsla at September 8, 2007 12:19 PM

"...Islam will appeal to those who are spiritually seeking AND where there are none truly living and preaching the Christian message."

Posted by: genevieve

I agree with this part of your statement.

Posted by: Josephine at September 8, 2007 12:30 PM

An entire generation of those in the political class must be replaced.

Posted by: Hugh

Let's hope there's still time left. Given the longevity of political careers, achieving this aim could take another thirty years. The only alternative is to vote anti-incumbent, no matter who is running and no matter who the opponent is.

Posted by: PMK at September 8, 2007 12:50 PM

Hugh wrote:

"He is now allowed to indulge himself as he may have already before, in anti-social behavior, because now that behavior is not bad but good, directed at doing damage to Infidels."

"timidity, cupidity, rigidity, stupidity, the Esdrujula Explanation".

Posted by: Zeno at September 8, 2007 1:27 PM

It is unfortunate that Islam is considered a recognized religion. If not then the radical Imams that are preaching Violent Jihad would be charged and imprisoned for the murderous acts of their followers.

Here is the (true) story:
A "preacher" seeks out and collects disaffected youth. Through a mixture of truth and deceit he gets the youth to come live with him. Soon the youth are converted and come to believe in his "religion". They give him all their possessions and put their lives in their hands. He repeats this action several times until he has assembled a small army of believers. He preaches that the world will come to an end as a result of a race war. They participate in paramilitary exercises near their base located in/near the mountains. They also have a base located deep within a desert (That is where they plan to retreat to a cave or mine at their second base, once the final conflict starts. They will then rise up out of the desert/hole and lay claim to the world by a mixture of violence and their particular brand of religon.) Does this sound familiar?

The "preacher" becomes impatient for the race war to start and decides that to speed things up, his followers (not him!) should prime the pump by committing a series of planned mass murders. According to plans he has devised, decadent members of a corrupt society will be mass murdered in hideous ways including torture and desecration of the bodies. Does this sound familiar?

Unfortunately, the "preacher" and his converts were caught by the authorities. More unfortunate for the preacher, his "religion" was not a "recognized" religion. Accordingly, he did not have the religion's hierarchy to protect or hide him and the constitution to guarantee his religion additional rights and protections. Thus the authorities were able to charge the "preacher" with murder, even though he was not at any of the murder sites and never killed a single victim. The authorities hold a trial that becomes a spectacle, and a soapbox for the "preacher" who acts as his own attorney. Un-indicted co-conspirators/followers protest and chant outside the trial, and allege an organized plot by the government to persecute the "preacher". The media participate, by giving the "preacher" and his followers a forum for their words.

Unfortunately, for the "preacher" and his followers are found guilty and all languish in prison to this day. The "preacher" is generally separated from the other inmates, so he is not able to attract and collect other disaffected prisoners. This shows that we could hold radical Imams responsible for the violent acts of their followers. Once in jail they should be "separated" from the other disaffected prisoners, least they be allowed collect a larger army of followers.

Who was the "preacher"? It was Charles Manson,

and now you know the rest of the story.

Posted by: GrimReaperxxx at September 8, 2007 1:32 PM

GrimReaperxxx:

Very good. I had also been thinking about the parallels between violent cult leaders like Manson and Islam.

What I cannot understand (besides the fact that our leaders seem incapable of recognizing their similarities) is that historically most murderous cults always meet an end. Jim Jones, Manson, Applewhite, etc... Yet Islam lives on, and has done so for 1400 years.

How is it that Islam, with its backwards, 7th century mentality, manages to keep on ticking? They have no visible, living head to speak for them like Catholics have a Pope. They have no intellectual foundation. Their theology and morality is fraught with inconsistencies and hypocrisies. Many who practice Islam are technologically backwards and depend on Western society to keep them afloat economically.

Still, they live on. Why?

I found an interesting site which hosts a long out of print book written by an American Ambassador who witnessed the Armenian massacre and the destruction of Smyrna in 1922. G. Horton's "The Blight of Asia",

http://www.hri.org/docs/Horton/

should be examined not only for the historical content, but for the interesting perspective of an American official unfettered by political correctness and self loathing Western ideologies. There are many criticisms of Western governments here, but I found it to be quite an eye opener. One thing that caught my eye is the reference to a "Reverend George Bush", who said in Chapter XXXIII:

"The Reverend George Bush in his “Life of Mohammed”, published by the Harpers in 1830, makes the following reflection:

“Indeed in this, as in every other instance where the fortunes of an individual are entirely disproportionate to the means employed, and surpass all reasonable calculation, we are forced to resolve the problem into the special Providence of God. Nothing short of this could have achieved such mighty results”

Very disturbing.

Posted by: atheling at September 8, 2007 1:53 PM

Atheling,
Fascinating link. Thanks. I just read the same chapter and this sentence seemed to describe our current dilemma in Europe and America:

Unless Christianity is saved in -those countries where it still has a nominal existence, it is doomed, and their civilization will go with it.

Posted by: PMK at September 8, 2007 3:18 PM

PMK:

Glad you found it interesting. I would love to find the Rev. Bush's biography on Mohammed.

That quote you state certainly applies to Europe's current situation, doesn't it?

Posted by: atheling at September 8, 2007 3:23 PM

Germany, is increasingly overshadowed by the muslim influence.

As a result of the strengthing of muslim presence, Germany is becoming intolerant of Jewish people.

Today, Saturday 8'th September 2007, Chabad Lubavitch Rabbi Zalman Gurevitch was accosted by 3'youths'as he walked back home from the Sabbath synagogue service.

He friendly asked them what they wanted, and one of them stabbed him with a knife in the abdomen. "I will kill you, Jew".

The incident took place in Frankfurt's West-End neighborhood, in the heart of the tony banking sector near the trade fair.

The rabbi's two stunned outward guests which he had just invited for Sabbath lunch, hastily called an ambulance.

http://www.n-tv.de/850140.html

The rabbi was immediately operated.

All of Europe is getting more and more hostile to Jews. As the muslim presence will grow, they will inevitably begin to turn against the Christian society. But for the time being, they focus on easy prey, minorities, muslim women seeking emancipation, refugees from Islam, or Jews. Gradually, the continet for a start will begin to empty from Jews and other freedom loving individuals, becoming as say Tunisia or Egypt are today. But Europeans better beware. After the minorities have been gone, it will be the turn of society at large to bow to the muslim yoke.

Posted by: Hugo Schmidt-Fischer at September 8, 2007 3:54 PM

That's very true, Hugo.

Posted by: atheling at September 8, 2007 4:04 PM

Atheling - thank you for providing that link. Having scanned through it . . .there is a summary worth pointing to on the final page of George Horton's book - reflecting many more parallels to the political climate we witness today -
http://www.hri.org/docs/Horton/hb-39.html

CHAPTER XXXIX
CONCLUSION

THE outstanding facts in the preceding narrative are the following:

1. Smyrna was burned by the Turks, as the concluding, at present, act in a consistent policy that has been shaping Moslem history and expansion for centuries, and especially Turkish history since the coming to power of the Young Turks, as displayed in the “Turkifying” murders, tortures and persecutions in Macedonia that led to the First Balkan War (1912); the killing and driving from their homes of the Greeks of Asia Minor during the period just preceding the outbreak of the World War and the destruction of their flourishing villages, (as described by the Frenchman Manciet, writing of the scenes at Phocaea); the deportation of Greeks, men, women and children in the midwinter of 1916, from the Black Sea region, forcing them to walk in the inclement weather till many thousands perished (as mentioned by Dana K. Getchell, in his letter given above); the doing to death of between eight hundred thousand and a million Armenians in 1915-16; the burning of Smyrna and the massacre of thousands of its inhabitants in 1922.

2. Smyrna was burned by Turkish soldiers at a time when they were in full and complete possession of the city, and the fires were applied first in the Armenian quarter, in which the Turks had been plundering, murdering and raping for several days and where no Armenian was to be found, with the possible exception of such survivors as might be hiding in cellars.

3. Credible non-Greek or non-Armenian witnesses testified to the manner of the burning of Smyrna.

4. A Turkish soldier poured petroleum, or petroleum mixed with gasoline, in the street before the American consular building, causing the fire to be led up to and communicated to the building and endangering the lives of those within.

5. The burning of Smyrna and the massacre and abuse of its Christian inhabitants in the year of our Lord, 1922, was made possible through the mutual jealousies and conflicting commercial interests of certain Christian powers, and the actual aid, moral and material, furnished by some of them to the Turks.

6. The Turks committed their fearful acts against the Christians and humanity in general in the full conviction that they would meet with no opposition nor even criticism from the United States. They were led to this belief by a loud pro-Turk and anti-Christian propaganda carried on in the American press by certain concession hunters, and other interested writers.

7. No Gladstonian note of horror, protest or revulsion has as yet issued from any official American source, though the Turks have surpassed anything that Gladstone ever dreamed of.

8. The Turks can not regain the confidence and respect of the civilized world until they repent sincerely of their crimes and make all restitution in their power.

9. Concealing such deeds as have been recounted in these chapters or misrepresenting them with the purpose of obtaining material advantages or saving property, reveals a low state of morality, consistent with the spirit of this commercial age.

10. One of the many reasons why Mohammedanism is outstripping Christianity in the latter’s ancient birthplace and territory, and in general wherever the two religions meet face to face, is that Christ has been unworthily followed by the people who are sending out the missionaries.

11. Church people in America should become aware of the fact that American missionaries in Turkey can not convert Turks, nor conduct religious exercises at which Turks are present and that the schools in the Ottoman Empire are now being conducted on that basis; and that, if they should convert any Turks, the latter would be killed, and the missionaries and their buildings be in danger of attack.

But the chief lesson of these pages is the growing feebleness of Christianity—divided, insincere, permeated with materialism; undermined and befuddled, in much of its old sturdy and childlike credence, by modern scientific discovery.

Whoever has attended, as I have done at the city of Washington, a general meeting of missionaries, can not have failed to be impressed with the devotion, enthusiasm and spiritual fervor of those noble men and women who carry the beautiful doctrines of Christ to heathen lands. I saw them and heard them soon after my return from the Near East and the Smyrna horror, and I could scarcely refrain from rising to my feet and crying:

“Come borne and save us, before it is everlastingly too late!”

THE END

Posted by: justamomof4 at September 8, 2007 6:06 PM

Very interesting link Atheling. Thank you for this interesting piece of historical testimony.

http://www.hri.org/docs/Horton/hb-intro.html

Some of the lines authored in 1922 read like they were written just today. And yet 85 years later, The lessons have not been learnt, they are more than ever repressed.

"One object of writing this book is to make the truth known concerning the very significant events and to throw the light on an important period during which colossal crimes have been committed against the human race, with Christianity losing ground in Europe and America as well as in Africa and the Near East.

Another object is to give the church people of the United States the opportunity of deciding whether they wish to continue pouring millions of dollars, collected by contributions small and great, into Turkey for the purpose of supporting schools, which no longer permit the Bible to be read or Christ to be taught; whether, in fact, they are not doing more harm than good to the Christian cause and name, by sustaining institutions which have accepted such a compromise!

...when I came back to America after the Smyrna tragedy and saw the prosperous people crowded in their snug warm churches, I could hardly restrain myself from rising to my feet and shouting: “For every convert that you make here, a Christian throat is being cut over there; while your creed is losing ground in Europe and America, Mohammed is forging ahead in Africa and the Near East with torch and scimitar.”

Posted by: Hugo Schmidt-Fischer at September 8, 2007 6:50 PM

more excerpts.

the historian Butler says:

“The Goth might ravage Italy, but the Goth came forth purified from the flame, which he himself had kindled. The Saxon swept Britain, but the music of his Celtic heart softened his rough nature. Visigoth and Frank, Heruli and Vandal, blotted out their ferocity in the very light of the civilization they had striven to extinguish. Even the wildest Tartar from the Scythian waste was touched and softened in his wicker encampments, but the Turk, wherever his scimitar reached—degraded, defiled and defamed, blasting with eternal decay Roman, Latin civilization, until when all had gone he sat down satisfied with savagery to doze into hopeless decrepitude.”

Posted by: Hugo Schmidt-Fischer at September 8, 2007 7:08 PM

Great. Ulm, hometown of Albert Einstein, is now breeding the likes of Fritz the Jihadist.

Posted by: gravenimage at September 8, 2007 7:21 PM

Too many westerners are detached from their past, and so loyalty must be a difficult concept for some. Perhaps the real problem is that some people don't know what they should be loyal to.

Posted by: GuitarBob at September

Take for example the Portuguese flag bears the most anti-Islamic symbolism anywhere. The seven castles (originally nine) represent the castles won back from the Muslims during the Crusades. One of them, St. George's was won by the outstanding courage of Portuguese knight, Martim Moniz, who wedged his body between the closing gates of the castle allowing the Crusaders to break through and defeat their Muslim enemies. A square in Lisbon is named after Moniz.

Also folklore has it, that Alphonso, Portugal's first king, prayed the night before a major battle against the Islamists when Jesus appeared to him in a vision telling him he would indeed be victorious the next morning. This prophecy came true as Alphonso's Portuguese Crusaders along with help from Flemish, English and French Crusaders attacked and defeated five Muslim legions and killed the leaders. Thus the five shields on the Portuguese flag represent this defeat of the Islamists and the eventuality of them being driven from the land. If this had not occurred, being of Portuguese ancestry, I would have never been born in America and to once again be able to face the threat of the Islamists. I know where my loyalty lies and I wave both flags proudly in their face.

Posted by: Briars at September 8, 2007 7:41 PM

Regarding the "Blight of Asia", I found this incident interesting:

"I was sitting in the wardroom of one of our destroyers moored in the harbor of Smyrna. At moment when the massacre bad begun to assume alarming proportions, a newspaper correspondent, a passenger on the same naval unit, entered the room, opened his typewriter and began to write. When he had finished about half a page, he read it carefully, took it out of the machine, and said:

“I can’t send this stuff. It’ll queer me at Constantinople. I must get busy on Greek atrocities.” I have often wondered what he meant. I was sitting quite close to him and heard him very distinctly."

http://www.hri.org/docs/Horton/hb-28.html

Boy, journalists have not changed. I wonder if Peter Arnett was a descendant of this guy, or at least if he worked for the New York Times.

Posted by: atheling at September 9, 2007 1:06 AM

Islam gives an Instant Personality Transplant to the Aimlessly Hollow, transforming them from bland, meaningless, purposeless polyglots into Fierce Muslim Lions Fighting for an Immortal Cause.

The juvenile and weak-minded are the perfect sucker storm for this supremacist propaganda.

As 10 year old boys used to build tree houses and post "No Gurlz Allowed!", these infantile dupes are prey to Mohammedan manipulators looking for impressionable tools to use against the infidel enemy.

Empty vessels get filled.

Either with something ennobling and liberating or something vicious and unleashing.

The West is failing to provide an inspiring counter-weight to the semi-consciously simplistic, but intoxicatingly-dramatic Call of the Jihad.

They know what they are fighting for (ending in a posthumous permanent whorehouse): -a clear, if primitive Answer.

While our side is inspirationally-scattered, and too many among us mistake incontinent self-loathing for reasonable self-criticism.

Without our own heroic ideals, we cede that realm to the myth-drunk jihadis.

If the West does not teach about Galileo and Copernicus, Epictetus and Sappho, DaVinci and Hume, Hero of Alexandria and Hypatia, Pasteur and Curie, Shelley and Blake, Schopenhauer and Husserl, Morse and Edison, Flroence Nightingale and Susan B. Anthony, Tesla and Marconi, the Wrights and Goddard, Irving Berlin and Erik Satie, Patton and Eisenhower, Theo Van Gogh and Oriana Fallaci, among thousand of other inspiring figures, we let the voice of the theocratic dogmatists drown out our milder, more modest tones.

Time to shout them down with the greatness of our ancestors' achievements and the worth of our Civilization, without which these ignorant, ignoble ingrates would have no oil, no internet, not jets to hijack, nor C4 to blow their idiot bodies to shreds with.

No to Mohammad, the pedophile warlord.

Yes to William James, Etta James, and James Joyce.

Posted by: profitsbeard at September 9, 2007 2:46 AM