Cant get an image of the guy. Is this him?

http://sheikyermami.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/usmani2.gif

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at September 8, 2007 6:58 AM

Take them at their word. Arrest them and remove them from civilized countries.

Posted by: Bingo at September 8, 2007 7:01 AM

I watched an interview with Michelle Milken
and the Arab guy "Jabba the Ibish" , he made it very clear that when Muslims become a large Minority or dominate a district then Americans must understand that Muslims have a right to dictate the Community standards.

The video made me sick and Ibish sat there like some self-appointed God waring the West that we will force Sharia law slowly until every American practises it even by-proxy from Human Rights complaints.
Check out the Youtube video where Ibish defends
loud-speakers outside of mosques so Prayer-Calls can be yelled out to the Muslims because they are too stupid to read a watch or have a Chart at home to show the times, or are too stupid to notice the sunset .

Those amazing Muslims , hard to believe that as a kid i watched Ed Sullivan bring on Bears that could ride Motorcycles and Chimps on rollerskates.
But don't dare expect a Muslim to read a clock or notice the sun going down...no sir...we need more laws changed to help these simpletons follow Islamic rules that are so confusing that even CAIR and Hooper don't fully understand them.

No Islam - Know peace

Posted by: ala-sux at September 8, 2007 7:26 AM

“the question is whether aggressive battle is by itself commendable or not”. “If it is, why should the Muslims stop simply because territorial expansion in these days is regarded as bad?"

What is good for the goose is good for the gander, surely? He can hardly make comments like these and then criticise, say, Israel or the US, for their 'imperialist' activities in the Middle East? Indeed, at a stroke, he is unwittingly justifying the Crusades, colonialism, Zionism, et al.

I am sure he would argue that Islamic imperialism is wholesome and good, while the Infidel equivalent is evil and satanic, and I am sure that many of his more 'devout' Muslim colleagues would concur. To most sane, normal people, however, he is a religious zealot, a dangerous fanatic and a supremacist, and he should be prevented from coming anywhere near our shores. Let him fester in a valley in Pakistani; just keep filth like this away from the UK.

Posted by: A Nonny Nonny at September 8, 2007 7:29 AM

The 2 million Muslims in Britain are not really immigrants then, but an advance party of colonisers.

Posted by: pr126 at September 8, 2007 7:40 AM

American and Australian visitors to this website should know that on Tuesday (11th) many thousands of angry citizens from 'Old Europe' will gather in in the Place Luxembourg, Brussels at 12 noon to protest at the continuing 'Islamicisation' of Europe.

They will do this in the full knowledge that this demonstration has been banned by the Mayor of Brussels, Freddy Thielemans who owes his position to the support of many muslims resident in that city.

The legality of this demonstration is at issue despite the protection to the 'right of free assembly' guaranteed by the European Convention on Human Rights and the Charter of the United Nations.

The police in Brussels are preparing themselves for the possibility of serious civil disorder.

Knowing the dangers to my personal safety, how can I stay away? What right have I to remain in the comfort and security of my own home? For hundreds of years Western nations have built a civilisation founded upon the rights and responsibilities of individual citizens. We have experienced our 'wars of religion' learned our lessons and moved on. Why should we go backward? Why should we disown the sacrifices made on our behalf by our forefathers?

There can be no guarantee of success for this venture. If we succeed, I hope it will inspire those in the rest of the English speaking world to imitate our example. If we screw up, others should learn from our mistakes to find why and how we screwed up. Knowing this will help to mount more successful demonstrations elsewhere in the world.

Posted by: LondonBorn&Bred at September 8, 2007 7:42 AM

I guess that explains all the "peaceful" muslims, they are just lying and waiting like the Quran says to do.
I know muslim patrols are following soldiers from airports ,gun owners from gun shops and reconnoitering all the time.

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at September 8, 2007 8:00 AM

Posted by: sheik yer'mami

This could be the same skum bag,but a more recent pic

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/ISSUE5-6/arya.h54.jpg

Here is a link to a whole bunch of them, scroll half-way down

Posted by: shiva at September 8, 2007 8:06 AM

OOOOPS

The link

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/ISSUE5-6/arya.html

Posted by: shiva at September 8, 2007 8:12 AM

Conquest of Granada 1492, Battle of Lepanto 1571, Siege of Vienna 1683, March in Brussels 2007

How many times must we battle the forces of Islamofascism and have our own “LEADERS” turn our victories to ash of defeat in our mouths?

Osama-Bush-Brown-Fat Freddy-Ken Red, what the heck is the difference, they all seem to be working together!

Best of luck London Born & Bred, you have my support, it’s just prohibitive to travel from the States for this fight.

Posted by: senor doeboy at September 8, 2007 8:22 AM

Excuse me, Nonny Nonny, are you implying that Zionism="colonialism" or "racism"? How is that?
Zionism = Jews returning to their historic homeland. The struggle to keep them out, which long predates the establishment of Israel, is true, racist apartheid and true colonialism, on the part of the Arab Muslims. Let us only wish that other non-Arab peoples around the globe who were conquered and transformed into Muslims, Arabic speaking or otherwise, one day restore their historic cultures and identities.

Posted by: usapatriot at September 8, 2007 8:23 AM

"He agreed that it was wrong to suggest that the entire nonMuslim world was intent on destroying Islam."
from the article

So why is it right for the entire Muslim world to destroy or subjugate everyone else?

(Only a rhetorical question. Of course it's because the Koran says so.)

Posted by: PMK at September 8, 2007 8:27 AM

Is it The United Kingdom, or, The Islamic Republic of Britain? If this goofball has his way, it will be the latter.
I'm glad the Times seemed to be savvy here - pretty unusual for them.

Posted by: jewdog at September 8, 2007 8:28 AM

Sheik yer'mami - it appears you may have the correct image as it strongly resembles these:

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.djindexes.com/mdsidx/images/shariah.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.djindexes.com/mdsidx/%3Fevent%3DshowIslamicOverView&h=385&w=280&sz=82&hl=en&start=117&um=1&tbnid=MtTrmsOUuX2gpM:&tbnh=123&tbnw=89&prev=/images%3Fq%3D%2522Muhammad%2BTaqi%2BUsmani%2522%26start%3D100%26ndsp%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN
(he is identified as a member of the Dow Jones Islamic Market Indexes Shari`ah Supervisory Board)

According to Militant Islam Monitor:
http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:dF1V-jvWIoQJ:www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/911+Muhammad+Taqi+Usmani&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

"the Sharia'a Supervisory Committee of Islamic Bank of Britain comprises Justice (R) Muhammad Taqi Usmani (chairman)

for news on how this ties in with the sermon - see this:
First Islamic bank in Britain allowed
http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2004-08/09/article02.shtml

same image used in this link:

http://www.bilaariba.nl/images/ShariahSupervisoryBoard.jpg
(seated on left)

additional images resembling him -

http://www.qurtuba.ca/eng/images/usmani.png

http://www.takaful2006.com/speakers/Imran-Usmani.gif

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If a video of his seditious sermons is available I'd like to view it.

*****

Bingo stated:

"Take them at their word. Arrest them and remove them from civilized countries."

Indeed. The mosques tied to this group should be closed and sold with proceeds of sale used to cover costs of monitoring such seditious activity.

*******

Godspeed to LondonBorn&Bred and all that will stand in solidarity against sharia on the 11th in Luxembourg, Brussels. Bring your cameras and camcorders to record and document events online.

We do not expect to see this event covered in the msm.

Posted by: justamomof4 at September 8, 2007 8:29 AM

LondonBorn&Bred,

Thanks for the heads up. We'll be looking for you Tuesday morning. To all who are with you: united we stand, divided we fall. Let's unite.

Posted by: PMK at September 8, 2007 8:30 AM

"Just one of many pro-jihad books one may find on the shelves of London bookstores".

This kind of propaganda must cease and it would be very easy to use "hate speech" as the reason for shutting it down. The jihadist communications (satellites, Internet, etc.) must also be jammed. Muslims must truly assimilate or get out. If an intelligent policy is implemented the jihadists will deport themselves.

If one looks at Muslim dominated countries, they are remarkably lacking in ethnic diversity and pluralism (can you imagine Saudi Arabia taking in African Negroes on a large scale? Saudi Arabia is an Arab racist society) compared to the USA and many Western societies. Muslims are not really used to ethnic or other pluralism and are frightened by it. They will be a permanent menace in any pluralistic society because they come from places that are not pluralistic-ethnic or otherwise.

Muslims are not only less pluralistic in the matter of beliefs, they will also prove to be far more racist because Muslim dominated countries (particularly Arabs) are not ethnically diverse. They are a danger on this matter, too. Islam is a fraud.

Posted by: Frank at September 8, 2007 8:42 AM

Most Muslims come from societies (particularly Arabs) that are not ethnically diverse. Islam will breed racism. It's a fraud on that matter, too. Just look at Muslim dominated countries. They are not ethnically diverse. My hunch is that Muslims are very race-ethnicity conscious. Islam is a big lie on everything-including "ethnic diversity". (For example, there is no way any Arab country will tolerate a large number of Oriental or African people in their midst. It just will not happen. Islam breeds racism.)

Posted by: Frank at September 8, 2007 8:58 AM

Bingo

we'd like to but the UK would have financial sanctions imposed upon us if we tried this. switzerland is currently going right wing and already the U.N and the E.U. are criticising them and the euro press are using inflamatory language such as "neo-fascist" and "neo-nazi" against them.

immigration and deportation are dirty words in europe.

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at September 8, 2007 9:01 AM

""Our followers 'must live in peace until strong enough to wage jihad'"

.....yep, all those "quiet and peaceful Muslims" that you encounter at the gas pumps, grocery stores, in school, at the airport, train stations, bus stations, driving cabs, standing in the welfare lines, walking down the streets in the burksa and niqabs, on those Sunday Evening TV shows, standing in the unemployment lines, and many more places....all simply awaiting the order to strike.....

....make it harder for them to kill you...Ban Muslim Immigration...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at September 8, 2007 9:07 AM

Far from suppressing "Justice" Usmani's book, those of us with time should read it. Know the enemy!

Posted by: sceptico at September 8, 2007 9:27 AM

leonthepigfarmer-

In spite of the fact that Muslims peddle propaganda re "racism"-if folks look at Muslim dominated countries they are remarkably lacking in ethnic diversity. Ironically, Muslims in Western countries probably have much more contact with other Muslims from different ethnic groups than they would have in their own countries. The Arabs are very racist in their home countries. (They would never tolerate a large number of non-Arab Muslims in their midst.) Islam will breed racism. There are a lot of good reasons to demand that they either assimilate or get out.

The more one analysis this "religion" the uglier it looks. No wonder why Hitler (and Himmler) said Islam was perfect for Nazi Germany. A Muslim dominated country will be very race conscious.

They have to go for a lot of reasons-including the lack of ethnic diversity in Muslim dominated countries. Islam is a big fraud.

Posted by: Frank at September 8, 2007 9:29 AM

I guess this would be the "kindler, gentler, machine gun hand"........

Posted by: tanstaafl at September 8, 2007 9:42 AM

A couple of these "peaceful" Mohammedans just walked by my house, dressed in their best white man-dresses, sporting lovely beards, and talking with great animation in some other language.

I suppose they are on their way home from the mosque. I need a dog. A big dog.

So, tomorrow is "Kiss a Mohammedan's Ass Day", is it? I wonder where they'll be celebrating it, in Kissimmee, Fl.

I might have to do what several folks advised Naseem to do--Get out my crayons and make a few signs...

Posted by: Abscedere at September 8, 2007 10:14 AM

Folks such as Robert and Hugh might point out more re the lack of ethnic diversity in Muslim dominated countries. Ironically, Muslims from Muslim countries (who are in the USA, e.g.) have much more contact (and the presumption of equality) with Muslims from different ethnicities than in their own Muslim dominated countries. There is no way Arabs (for example) would ever tolerate a large group of non-Arab Muslims in Arab countries (Saudi Arabia is very racist.) My hunch is that Islam will actually promote a racist society. The facts re the lack of ethnic diversity in Muslim dominated countries contradict Muslim propaganda.

As one looks at Muslim dominated countries it is remarkable how ethnically homogeneous they are. Muslims are good at the Goebbels style charges, but they practice racism and lack ethnic diversity in Muslim dominated countries (especially Arabs).

Posted by: Frank at September 8, 2007 10:15 AM

senor doeboy :
"Conquest of Granada 1492, Battle of Lepanto 1571, Siege of Vienna 1683, March in Brussels 2007

How many times must we battle the forces of Islamofascism and have our own “LEADERS” turn our victories to ash of defeat in our mouths?

Osama-Bush-Brown-Fat Freddy-Ken Red, what the heck is the difference, they all seem to be working together!

Best of luck London Born & Bred, you have my support, it’s just prohibitive to travel from the States for this fight."

I despair, I really do. I heard Newt Gingridge, who seemed to see the big picture regarding jihad, refer to " a small wing" of islam that was a danger. 57 backward, muslim dominated countries exporting a cancer into the west A SMALL WING? What the hell is wrong with these people.

Posted by: savitch at September 8, 2007 10:18 AM

Vindication Robert, great vindication.

How long O Lord must we deal with the stupidity and blindness of the MSM, the DNC, the ACLU,and CAIR.

When Osama the Bum (as against Obama, the Trojan Horse) is able to get out his video, coiffed and manicured, and it sounds like the talking points of a leftist Chomsky Dem (did he also shill for the environment - "under Sharia the crops will grow better, the goats will give more milk, there will be more doe eyed virgins...etc")

Ya gotta wonder, when will these people wake up ?

Posted by: dgene at September 8, 2007 10:32 AM

(on closer thought, it should be 'the treachery of CAIR')

How long ?

Posted by: dgene at September 8, 2007 10:34 AM

Frank

try telling that to the masses. they will look at you as if you are raving mad or some kind of racist or islamophobe.

at least a "few" of us know the truth. but will we be the first to experience the clamp down on our personal views and idealologies?

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at September 8, 2007 10:35 AM

go to BBC have your say. check out the average british response to the video such as ", The U.S government continually try to manipulate the peception of the masses to correspond with their imperialistic vision." or "Bin Laden is just a CIA puppet ... Wake Up fools."

then come back to me and tell me that the british public could ever have the stomach for mass deportations.

at least your average "yank" gets it. every conversation i have with an american in a bar results in them telling me that they will not put up with this if there is another terror attack in the US. i believe them. europeans meanwhile will continue to blame the USA and slowly keep giving up sovereignty to muslim imperialists whenever there are terror attacks against europe, scotland for example and the outpouring of islamic sympathy from the british public and media following hte glasgow airport attack.

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at September 8, 2007 10:49 AM

"...until strong enough to wage jihad."
..or until your Infidel hosts are naive and weak enough to be snookered by you.
I find it interesting that these impudent immigrants seem to be located in western Europe, not eastern. Eastern Europe is less properous, offering fewer jobs and welfare, and after all those years under Communism, less gullible.

Posted by: jewdog at September 8, 2007 10:52 AM

leonthepigfarmer-

Times are changing. A lot of people see throught the propaganda.

BTW, the truth is that if it were not for JW the PC crowd would have their way. Folks like the Moe Howard Professor Distinguished Professor at UNC (Docktor Karl Ernst-"watch your back at Goose Creek" Ernst-LOL) don't have it easy these days. A lot of folks do know-it's surprising how many do know.

Posted by: Frank at September 8, 2007 11:09 AM

LondonBorn&Bred,

Good luck to you.

JBS

Posted by: J. Brian at September 8, 2007 11:12 AM

Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani argues that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle.

That's Islam, doin what comes naturally...Did you hear that America???

Posted by: duh_swami at September 8, 2007 11:49 AM

People are getting it, but the leaders still are using the 90's PC pre-9/11 playbook, and it will most likely be the Chomskys, Zinns. The left over hordes of Anti-Western Civilization idiots are in for the biggest surprise all, at the direction of the backlash after the next terrorist hit (note: it's not if, but when).

Here in America I can almost hear the braying of the Donkey and Trumpet of the Elephant in the bonfire of the irate Citizens. The Mohammedan should fear the day their protectors and enablers are shown to be the Emperors with out clothing or clout.

Ancient saying of wisdom, “Give a man enough rope,…..”

Posted by: senor doeboy at September 8, 2007 11:52 AM

Our followers 'must live in peace until strong enough to wage jihad'

The magic percentage is 33:

8:66 Now hath Allah lightened your burden, for He knoweth that there is weakness in you. So if there be of you a steadfast hundred they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a thousand (steadfast) they shall overcome two thousand by permission of Allah. Allah is with the steadfast.

Posted by: pez at September 8, 2007 12:06 PM

Nits make lice.

Posted by: infidel! at September 8, 2007 12:07 PM

Coming soon,
There will be some new names in our history books, western villains/ traitors/ sellouts/liars. The names will be well known and in the past thought to be respected. The Benedict Arnold wing of America comprised of so called elite pols/business persons/lawyers/judges/reporters/computer geeks and on and on. What should be the penalty for importing and assisting hyper Nazis in our midst? I’m ok with just about anything we all democratically decide upon. After all, if we do it democratically I have been told that no matter what we decide it’s a ok. Bring forth the guillotine.

Posted by: tgusa at September 8, 2007 12:13 PM

"Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani argues that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle."

Common sense needs to make a come back, folks. Statements like this fly in the face of common sense -- REGARDLESS of your faith -- and should not be acceptable to anyone with even half a brain.

Common sense also shows what a hate-filled man Muhammad was. Put your thinking cap on and you will realize that this is true about this prophet. Once you open your eyes to that 'fact' then you can see Islam for what it is. Evil.

Posted by: champ at September 8, 2007 12:16 PM

The 2 million Muslims in Britain are not really immigrants then, but an advance party of colonisers.
Posted by: pr126

Yes, this is what many people have been saying for years!

Maybe we should include a copy of this book among Robert's book in traeh's Senatorial Spencer book sending project.

We should ask these POLOticians: 'Does anyone here know how to play this game?'

Posted by: Allahfanculo at September 8, 2007 12:27 PM

Islam will breed racism.

Frank,
That begs the question: why do some in the African American community see Islam as liberation? What about African Muslims? In Sudan, both the western and southern regions are being terrorized by Arab janjaweed. Darfur is Muslim but they're facing as much terror from Khartoum as are the Christians in the south.

Posted by: PMK at September 8, 2007 12:44 PM

Frank:
leonthepigfarmer- Times are changing. A lot of people see throught the propaganda.

Frank, do you recognise the Britain that leon - the proud "patriot" - describes? Did you see an "outpouring of islamic sympathy from the british public" after the Glasgow airport attacks?

No, me neither. Everyone I spoke to expressed a mix of disbelief and outrage that this could happen again.

Non-British JW readers: Please be aware that the view of Britain put forward on here by leonthepigfarmer isn't the reality, but that of a Britain seen through the eyes of a neo-Nazi sympathiser (who doesn't even live in the country).

His description of the "average British response" to terrorism, based on a few comments on a website, is no more an accurate reflection of true British public opinion than Ward Churchill's ravings are of the views of the American people.

He has been told several times that JW does not support the neo-Nazi party that he has tried to promote on here, and usually responds with whiney posts about being labelled a "fascist". Now, it seem, this "patriot" has decided to try a new angle, attacking the British people with smears and lies, presumably for our failing to support his Jew-baiting, black-hating organisation. So much for "patriotism".

Posted by: Matamoros at September 8, 2007 12:59 PM

matamoros:

You are engaging in slander.

I submit to JihadWatch that they censure matamoros for this malicious conduct.

Posted by: atheling at September 8, 2007 1:11 PM

PMK-

"That begs the question: why do some in the African American community see Islam as liberation"?

They will wise up over time. Though Muslims pretend that they are "ethnically diverse" I am struck by the lack of ethnic diversity in Muslim dominated countries. Different ethnic Muslims have more diversity in the USA (or other other Western countries) than they do in Muslim dominated countries. That is especially true re Arabs (look at Saudi Arabia).

I once did an inspection where an Arab landlord pretended to be friendly to a black America, but when the black guy's back was turned he said to me, "They are like children". He said it with a sneer. He showed a contempt for black people that I felt offended at. I thought to myself: who is this phony Arab scumbag to talking about my fellow Americans like that? What I say here is exactly the truth.

Trust me, black folks in America will catch on. The whole Islamic culture is so dishonest-even about race.

Posted by: Frank at September 8, 2007 1:15 PM

matamoros:

You are really on a smear campaign aren't you? In none of these comments in this thread has leonthepigfarmer even brought up the BNP and yet you are dragging it out with the malicious purpose of defaming his character and swaying public opinion here against him.

You are a vicious person.

Posted by: atheling at September 8, 2007 1:15 PM

ala-sux:
No Islam - Know peace

Very true. Also

Know Islam: No peace

Posted by: UK Infidel Lover at September 8, 2007 1:16 PM

Allahfanculo,
My ancestors as well as some others here liked to play a kind of Polo but they used swords instead of sticks. They were not named the Dullton Springers or anything like that, they liked to call themselves the US Cavalry. One man, one horse, one way. Judging from what this guy is saying we are going to need that type of attitude again.

PMK,
Good question, I have always wondered, why/how did they become slaves in the first place? I know it existed before whitey was in them parts so we can’t blame him, dang it. The British were some of the first whites to explore Africa in numbers, right? I don’t remember them enslaving people except maybe their citizens who couldn’t pay their debts. Well look at this I found,
“The Englishman Denham and Scotsman Clapperton set off in 1822 in search of Central Africa. They argued the entire length of their journey from Kano to Lake Chad. Denham alone reached Mabah on the northern side of Lake Chad, but failed in his goal to get to the eastern side of the lake. He was accompanied by Arab merchant Bhoo Khaloom and Maramy, a slave of the king of Kouka.”BBC
And this,
“The German, Heinrich Barth, explored the major trade routes of Sahara and Sahel, in particular Sokoto and Borno, writing a detailed five volume work. Rene Caillie, one of the few French explorers in West Africa, was the first European to have entered Timbuktu in the late 1820's. He nearly died crossing the Sahara disguised as a Muslim. Caillie was accused of making up the accounts of his trip, until Heinrich Barth verified it thirty years later.”BBC
A disguise, what would he need a disguise for?

Posted by: tgusa at September 8, 2007 1:16 PM

Matamoros--

I'm aware of the dispute going on in another thread, and am in the process of addressing it. My apologies for not getting to it sooner, but I had some other things to do away from the computer this morning. I'd like to keep that dispute on that thread, though, rather than having it travel to others.

Posted by: MarisolJW at September 8, 2007 1:18 PM

There is a moslem march on Madison Avenue today.. Unbelievable the chutzpah doing this two days before 9/11..

Anyway.. check this link for the very same enemy living right among us here in New York:

http://www.mosqueofislamicbrotherhoodinc.org/aboutus.html

Especially on the bottom where it says:

"Allah is our goal
The Prophet Muhammad ibn ‘Abdullah is our leader
The Qu’ran is our constitution
Jihad is our way
And death in the way of Allah is our promised end."

Posted by: Allahfanculo at September 8, 2007 1:35 PM

atheling,

I am curious as to why I need to be protected from matmoros.

The allegations against leonthepigfarmer may or may not be true, but exactly why is it that you seek help in censoring the conversation?

Posted by: Davegreybeard at September 8, 2007 1:48 PM

Marisol

No problem. I just wanted to point out to non-British JW readers that is was a lie to claim that there was "an outpouring of Islamic sympathy" from the British public following the Glasgow attack - believe me there was not. I'm sure that Frank, or London Born&Bred, or any of the other British posters on here would be happy to verify that fact for any doubters.

Posted by: Matamoros at September 8, 2007 1:50 PM

PMK-

What will undo Muslim culture is the deception. They have been largely isolated until the revolution of transport and communications hit them like a juggernaut in the past 50-60 years. But whether it's Fibrahim "Farfur style propaganda" Hooper, the Flying Imam crap, CAIR lies and slanders, cover-ups about the Arab role in the African slave trade, etc., the whole culture is so dishonest and so frightened of critical analysis that they are almost pathetic in their deception and self-deception.

From their point of view the revolution in transport (jet travel, etc.) and communications (radio, TV, Internet) looks like an attack on Islam. They see their patriarchal and societies confronted with info and ideas that are shaking them to the core. They don't want to face reality, but project and attack the people who made the revolution of transport and communications. Theirs is the rage of fear. Theirs is a culture of deception.

Posted by: Frank at September 8, 2007 1:51 PM

Davegraybeard:

I didn't say "censor", I said "censure". Please look up both words.

Posted by: atheling at September 8, 2007 1:58 PM

atheling,

I know the meaning of both words (thank you) and my comment stands.

Posted by: Davegreybeard at September 8, 2007 2:13 PM

Matamoros:
..., but that of a Britain seen through the eyes of a neo-Nazi sympathiser (who doesn't even live in the country).

That is your labelling of him.

He has been told several times that JW does not support the neo-Nazi party that he has tried to promote on here, and usually responds with whiney posts about being labelled a "fascist".

JW's mission is against the expansion of Islamic jihadism. That isnt the same thing as saying what it is for. On that, there is silence, particularly in the political sphere.
And that is okay as all political types and religious types, even atheists unified only by
determination to stop the progress of jihadic Islam. So keep your vilifications of others political beliefs to yourself even if you have distaste of their systems of thought.

And as it stands, the numbers of British people who can no longer tolerate liberalism with its rose-tinted glasses of political correctness is greater than you think. Liberalism has no answers - it is bankrupt. There is no way it will stand up to the onslaught of Islam over the next 30 years. Instead it will try to appease.
I would be interested to know exactly what you propose over the next 30 years. Because Islam will not roll over. I forsee wars in Europe in the next 30 years and they wont be pretty.
And please dont label me as jew-hating (I am the opposite) or black-hating (no hatred here).

Posted by: UK Infidel Lover at September 8, 2007 2:14 PM

Davegreybeard:

If you do know the meaning of both words then how can your comment stand? You're not making much sense here.

Posted by: atheling at September 8, 2007 2:17 PM

Frank,
Don't forget women's liberation. It's the death knell for Arab, if not Muslim, society as it exists today. However, many revolutions occurred simultaneously: transport, communications, civil rights, anti-colonialism (and probably more). They combined to create a group of people who saw themselves as dispossessed or otherwise beaten down and, in some cases, Islam took advantage. A lethal brew developed.
Islam may be a culture of deception but it's survived fourteen centuries while other movements have come and gone. Will people recognize it for what it is before it's too late? Is people's disdain for America stronger than their distrust of Islam? It just might be.
As the saying goes, politics makes strange bedfellows. Just as Britain and the US sided with Russia to defeat Hitler, people from disparate groups and cultures, whom you would logically never expect to see on the same side, can unite against what they perceive as their common foe: us. It's a very big umbrella under which they stand.

Posted by: PMK at September 8, 2007 2:25 PM

(You are one of its people.) Umayr went ahead, broke the scabbard of his sword, took some dates and started eating from them. He then threw the dates from his hand, saying, "Verily, if I lived until I finished eating these dates, then it is indeed a long life.'' He went ahead, fought and was killed, may Allah be pleased with him.

Allah said next, commanding the believers and conveying good news to them,

﴿إِن يَكُن مِّنكُمْ عِشْرُونَ صَـبِرُونَ يَغْلِبُواْ مِاْئَتَيْنِ وَإِن يَكُنْ مُّنكُمْ مِّاْئَةٌ يَغْلِبُواْ أَلْفًا مِّنَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ﴾

(If there are twenty steadfast persons among you, they will overcome two hundred, and if there be a hundred steadfast persons, they will overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve.)

The Ayah says, one Muslim should endure ten disbelievers. Allah abrogated this part later on, but the good news remained. `Abdullah bin Al-Mubarak said that Jarir bin Hazim narrated to them that, Az-Zubayr bin Al-Khirrit narrated to him, from `Ikrimah, from Ibn `Abbas, "When this verse was revealed,

﴿إِن يَكُن مِّنكُمْ عِشْرُونَ صَـبِرُونَ يَغْلِبُواْ مِاْئَتَيْنِ﴾

(If there are twenty steadfast persons among you, they will overcome two hundred...) it became difficult for the Muslims, when Allah commanded that one Muslim is required to endure ten idolators. Soon after, this matter was made easy,

﴿الَـنَ خَفَّفَ اللَّهُ عَنكُمْ﴾

(Now Allah has lightened your (task)), until,

﴿يَغْلِبُواْ مِاْئَتَيْنِ﴾

(they shall overcome two hundred. ..)

Allah lowered the number ﴿of adversaries that Muslims are required to endure﴾, and thus, made the required patience less, compatible to the decrease in numbers.'' Al-Bukhari recorded a similar narration from Ibn Al-Mubarak. Muhammad bin Ishaq recorded that Ibn `Abbas said, "When this Ayah was revealed, it was difficult for the Muslims, for they thought it was burdensome since twenty should fight two hundred, and a hundred against a thousand. Allah made this ruling easy for them and abrogated this Ayah with another Ayah,

﴿الَـنَ خَفَّفَ اللَّهُ عَنكُمْ وَعَلِمَ أَنَّ فِيكُمْ ضَعْفاً﴾

(Now Allah has lightened your (task), for He knows that there is weakness in you...)

Thereafter, if Muslims were half as many as their enemy, they were not allowed to run away from them. If the Muslims were fewer than that, they were not obligated to fight the disbelievers and thus allowed to avoid hostilities.''

﴿مَا كَانَ لِنَبِىٍّ أَن يَكُونَ لَهُ أَسْرَى حَتَّى يُثْخِنَ فِي الاٌّرْضِ تُرِيدُونَ عَرَضَ الدُّنْيَا وَاللَّهُ يُرِيدُ الاٌّخِرَةَ وَاللَّهُ عَزِيزٌ حَكِيمٌ - لَّوْلاَ كِتَـبٌ مِّنَ اللَّهِ سَبَقَ لَمَسَّكُمْ فِيمَآ أَخَذْتُمْ عَذَابٌ عَظِيمٌ - فَكُلُواْ مِمَّا غَنِمْتُمْ حَلَـلاً طَيِّباً وَاتَّقُواْ اللَّهَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ ﴾

(67. It is not (fitting) for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he has fought (his enemies thoroughly) in the land. You desire the goods of this world, but Allah desires (for you) the Hereafter. And Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise.) (68. Were it not a previous ordainment from Allah, a severe torment would have touched you for what you took.) (69. So enjoy what you have gotten of booty in war, lawful and good, and have Taqwa of Allah. Certainly, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.)

http://infidelnation.org/POTB.htm

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at September 8, 2007 2:27 PM

(Now Allah has lightened your (task), for He knows that there is weakness in you...)

Thereafter, if Muslims were half as many as their enemy, they were not allowed to run away from them. If the Muslims were fewer than that, they were not obligated to fight the disbelievers and thus allowed to avoid hostilities.''

Hmmmm.

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at September 8, 2007 2:43 PM

I guess that kind of proves Islam and jihad is offensive since their actions allow them to avoid hostilities , something that you could not avoid should some one be bringing it to you.

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at September 8, 2007 2:45 PM

""Our followers 'must live in peace until strong enough to wage jihad'"

A Trojan Horse. In this way all Muslims are sleeper cells.
As people of justice it is not the jihadis we worry about--we know exactly what to do with them. It is the millions of "peaceful" Muslims who trip over themselves telling us they want peace while never renouncing or successfully disarming the MILLIONS of very violent and intolerant jihadis. We give these people too much credit. We have to get over that. Quite clearly the "peaceful" Muslims are failing miserably. They must be granted the courtesy of choosing between Islam and freedom. A truly peaceful person can live peacefully without his mosque. If Islam is so important to him, he can live in a country where it is legal. As Leon stated above, there is NO F*&KING WAY these infiltrators will take over the USA.

Posted by: JohnAdams at September 8, 2007 2:52 PM

atheling,

When someone is "censured" for speaking his opinion the result is censorship.

An example of this is the (politically correct) tenet that one must never criticize the religion of another culture – if they do they are “censured” by the P.C. police.

If it is alleged that someone is a “neonazi” (or “islamonazi” for that matter) it is an opinion that will stand or fall as the facts merit. The charge may be somewhat spicy but it has no meaning for a rational person without other supporting or contravening data.

I find it somewhat insulting that some people assume that others do not have the intelligence or analytical ability to determine the validity of an opinion without their “help”.

Posted by: Davegreybeard at September 8, 2007 2:58 PM

Frank,
There's diversity and then there's diversity.

Islam is ethnically diverse only because it is in almost every country in the world. (But so is Christianity.) The umma is diverse.
But, by and large, the Muslim countries themselves are not.

Most western countries are ethnically diverse because of their history of immigration and welcoming those who didn't belong to the majority sect.

If we are taken over that will gradually disappear, just as it has in the Muslim world.

Posted by: PMK at September 8, 2007 2:58 PM

Osama-Bush-Brown-Fat Freddy-Ken Red, what the heck is the difference, they all seem to be working together!

Posted by: senor doeboy at September 8, 2007 8:22 AM

Good observation! Given our system of government, the power of a political office, corrupt and timid politicians are as dangerous as the terorrists themselves. Thus Bush is no different from Bin Laden. Good observation!

Posted by: Alert at September 8, 2007 3:05 PM

I should like to express my thanks for messages of support on this thread.

The demonstration in Brussels (Tues 11th) will not count for anything unless free people throughout the world follow the example in their own home cities.

Posted by: LondonBorn&Bred at September 8, 2007 3:13 PM

UK Infidel Lover thanks for those music to my ears words about liberalism and its tinted glasses being bankrupt and inept in facing islamic expansionism.

Is this site great or what ?

The language of freedom and potential victory.

Thanks again.

Posted by: dgene at September 8, 2007 3:15 PM

Davegreybeard:

Censuring someone is not censorship. If it were, then organizations and businesses would be guilty of the practice all the time. You misunderstand the points of law in this case, and your most recent comment directed to me indicates that you do not fully comprehend the nature of how organizations operate with regards to slander and libel.

My call to have matamoros censured is not due to his opinions, it's due to his unfair vilification of leonthepigfarmer, and his spreading that libel to many threads on this site. He is following leonthepigfarmer all over JihadWatch and telling other commenters that he is a "nazi" and a "fascist" with the intent to alienate them from him. That is malicious intent.

Your allegation that I "assume that others do not have the intelligence or analytical ability to determine the validity of an opinion without their “help”." is wrong. I ask for censure out of a sense for justice. Unfortunately in your case, the failure to analyze this situation properly substantiates the idea (which was yours to begin with!) that perhaps you are in need of that assistance.

Posted by: atheling at September 8, 2007 3:16 PM

Could matamoros be Fibrahim "farfur style propaganda" Hooper since he's following people and slandering them. What's the motive?

This exchange reminds me of a cartoon I once saw in a magazine. A Moose is being tracked in the woods by a hunter who is wearing camouflage, hauling hunting gear, rifle in hand. The Moose peeks from behind a tree (at a considerable distance) at the hunter who is stalking him. The Moose looks very anxious and thinks: "Do I know this guy? Have I done something to him? Have I seen him before? I've got to think".

Posted by: Frank at September 8, 2007 3:42 PM

Reminds me of a favorite Bob Dylan lyric: "They smile at your face but behind your back they hiss."

Whatever shape Islam takes to break into the room, it will. But once inside the bullies and tyrants will assume control through intimidation, sharia, and violence. First victim, all of the actual "peaceful" Muslims.

Message to all the "peaceful" Muslims. When you embrace Islam, you embrace ALL of Islam, which carries with it the fatal gene of extremism. It CANNOT co-exist with a free and democratic society.
Banning Muslim immigration is just a start. Islam MUST be banned as seditious, or the great Western democracies will be ripped apart by civil war in the not-too-distant future.

Posted by: JohnAdams at September 8, 2007 4:02 PM

No need to quote Qur’anic text here pretty obvious. The entire west has officially been labeled as Dar’al Harb, so we know what is on its way. Muslims have told us how they will destroy us. Our governments will do nothing until it is too late, I’m afraid there will not be any reasonable way to undo the damage done. Even now time is slipping by much too rapidly. The point of no return may indeed have already passed. If our European states fail can the Monarchies of old come back to help save us if the Military stays in native control? Honestly looking into the future I do not see the states exercising enough nationalistic control, as the nationalists are viewed and feared to be fascists. In reality the Royal bloodlines of Europe must be aware what is going down, they may be our last defense at a nationalistic response to Islamization. Correct me if I am wrong here. In most European countries the power of the government is derived from the throne? Government can also be dissolved from the throne. If Islamization continues in Europe at this pace you will see governments, and judicial bodies as we know them, start to collapse fairly soon. If European counties do not have actual sitting Royalty there must be people of the bloodline that could lay claim to it. It is an interesting final defense you Europeans do have that the USA lacks. I wonder if times got really bad would Europeans follow a Monarch?

Posted by: Ameriki at September 8, 2007 4:05 PM

JohnAdams

"Message to all the "peaceful" Muslims. When you embrace Islam, you embrace ALL of Islam, which carries with it the fatal gene of extremism. It CANNOT co-exist with a free and democratic society."

"Islam MUST be banned as seditious, or the great Western democracies will be ripped apart by civil war in the not-too-distant future."

Perfect needed to be seconded! here! here! I second this, as it can't be said enough.

Posted by: Ameriki at September 8, 2007 4:08 PM

Surely the fact that they feel able to state this openly just goes to show the contempt in which they hold us and how confident they are that we will do nothing about it! So the question is just what are we going to do about it now that the truth is in the open?

We need to learn kickboxing and other fighting sports, join gunclubs so we can learn to use guns properly, stand in elections so that we and not the scum who are letting them in are in power, stop buying anything from their shops, make them know they are not wanted by ignoring them in the streets even if they speak to us, work harder to spread the truth about them, get churches to work harder at spreading the christian message, get qualified to join the professions such as law, become magistrates, etc because this is what they are doing. Websites such as this one are of immense value and we cannot do without them but we need to do whatever we can off the internet as well, such as printing your own leaflet and putting them in letterboxes and doors. We can use our imagination to do things that are legal so our treasonous governments cannot do anything to stop us. It seems our time to stop them short of a civil war is very short.

Posted by: Wayne at September 8, 2007 5:14 PM

JohnAdams,

"As Leon stated above, there is NO F*&KING WAY these infiltrators will take over the USA."

Demographics is the only way they can do it. Their numbers grow, they infiltrate the government, police forces, military, schools, court rooms (they will become judges, lawyers and juries). They will do this all quietly and legally. How long will it take them to out number 300 million people? How the hell can we even stop them? They aren't going to bring down America militarily-they'll do it by demographics.

They only 2 mistakes they can make is 1) By not keeping thier jihad idiots under control (if something else goes "boom" in America, it should (hopefully) awaken the rest of the population to the muslim threat) 2)If they decide to make an area of America into "Little Muslim-stan", like they did with pakistan and afghanistan (which used to belong to India). Doing this should (hopefully) awaken the rest of the population to the muslim threat.

What can we do? It'll take a miracle to break through everybodies indoctrinated political correctness, multi cultural fog they grew up with.

Damn, we try telling people the truth and we are instantly labeled a bogot, racist, islamophobe, etc.

Posted by: mrockroll1969 at September 8, 2007 5:46 PM

mrockroll1969:

You're right. We will have to fight the Leftist propaganda of PCness and multi culti garbage, which weakens the fabric of our society and opens to door to unwelcome elements like Islam.

There are some positive things however. Europeans, who are fighting Islam, labor under a different set of rules which unfortunately undermine their ability to speak, write or demonstrate freely. The EU is another form of totalitarianism which inhibits those rights which we in America enjoy. We must maintain vigilance that our rights under the Constitution (i.e. truth and beauty) are not degraded to the extent that it is in Europe.

Secondly, our fertility rate is stable, not below replacement level. All that talk about population control we heard in the 70's was wrong. It was suicidal. America must be pro life in order to win this war. Ironically, the Left who supports the culture of death are the ones who are not having children, while many conservative Christians and those on the Right are having larger families. The Left, therefore, (if we're lucky), will shrink.

Thirdly, our right to bear arms gives us a pesonal advantage with violent Muslims. Whereas in Europe the defenseless populace are often subject to crimes committed by young Muslim punks, we can use deadly force to stop violent crime against our persons, our loved ones and in the home.

The rise of the blogosphere provides a welcome and needed alternative to the leftist propaganda perpetrated by our dishonest MSM. ABC, NBC, CBS, are going down the tubes. Good riddance.

One thing that I would like to see is more Americans on the right to go out and protest. Why should protesters be always the leftist morons we see in the news all the time? Americans Against Hate are organizing a peaceful counter demonstration against the Muslim Pride parade (SPIT!) in NY on the 9th. Any New Yorkers or anyone who had the means should go and support them.

We need to show our government our displeasure and our grievances with the way they have been handling our national security. They get an "F" rating for that, and that is their primary reason for existence!

Let's get rid of the beltway bums and elect REAL Americans to save our nation!

Posted by: atheling at September 8, 2007 6:27 PM

atheling,

Well said, thank you.

Posted by: mrockroll1969 at September 8, 2007 6:38 PM

wayne

"We need to learn kickboxing and other fighting sports, join gunclubs so we can learn to use guns properly, "

yep, ive been kickboxing year and a half plus just got a p.38, practice 3 times a week.
actually one of my kickboxing instructors was one of the guys who led out the "black hawk down" team in mogadishu.

steve headden.

a totally amazing human being.

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at September 8, 2007 6:41 PM

atheling,

You misunderstand my point, which is to let the conversation roll and the ideas flow without “censure” or censorship.

The allegations should be allowed to stand without any ones “help”. If a person is truly malicious and slanderous it will become apparent. I wish to hear all sides and opinions, even those from some who others may call “nazis” or “slanderers”. If a fool talks long enough he will reveal himself – if you shut him up you will never know.

Have been to your web site (this little conversation WAS worthwhile!). We are probably 90% aligned, politically.

Posted by: Davegreybeard at September 8, 2007 6:42 PM

Davegraybeard:

I NEVER asked for CENSORSHIP. Sir, will you please get it through your head???

I wanted Matamoros' malicious conduct CENSURED! That means CONDEMNED, not CENSORED!

Now I'm done with talking to you about it.

Posted by: atheling at September 8, 2007 6:46 PM

We can all live in peace or go workout until strong enough to wage jihad against each other, which one will it be?

Posted by: tgusa at September 8, 2007 6:55 PM

Times are changing. A lot of people see through the propaganda. -Posted by Frank

It is encouraging to see how some are addressing propaganda as well . . .for example see this (one point to quibble in italics):

Why Caution is Apprpriate Regarding Islamic Center

Why Caution is Appropriate Regarding Islamic Center

11:32 AM

The spate of letters from local Muslims claiming that Islam is a religion of peace, claiming to be good neighbors, and asking that the Islamic center in San Martin be welcomed by South Valley residents has been interesting.

The letters from locals say, "We are nice. We are your neighbors," and not much more. They are vaguely reassuring, but not high on semantic content.

A letter from Mariam Moustafa of Irvine was more concrete. She castigated Andrew Serrano for making inaccurate statements. She wrote, "Several American Muslim organizations, such as the American Muslim Alliance, the American Muslim Council, the Council on American-Islamic Relations, the Muslim Public Affairs Council, the Muslim American Society, the Islamic Society of North America, and the Muslim Alliance in North America have openly condemned terrorism."

Well, that was a very reassuring statement, so I googled each organization to see what they had said to denounce terrorism.

The American Muslim Alliance has provided funds to the terrorist organization Hamas.

The American Muslim Council's leadership has openly supported terror groups - groups plural -- such as Hamas. AMC founder Abdurahman Alamoudi is quoted by the AP (1/9/02) as saying, "We are all supporters of Hamas! Allahu Akhbar! … I am also a supporter of Hezbollah."

The Council on American-Islamic Relations and the Islamic Society of North America are both un-indicted co-conspirators in an ongoing federal case to investigate terrorist funding.

The Muslim Public Affairs Council denies that there is such a thing as Islamic terrorism. They seem to be basically a propaganda mill, in my opinion.

The founding incorporators of the Muslim American Society, Ahmad Elkadi, Jamal Badawi, and Omar Soubani, are also members of the board of directors of the Muslim Brotherhood, a terror sponsoring group. The acknowledged role of MAS is "to educate the brothers in all work centers, mosques and organizations on the necessity of stopping any contacts with the Zionist organizations and the rejection of any future contacts" with such. Not particularly tolerant.

By now thoroughly alarmed, I visited the website of the South Valley Islamic Community, the group which wants to build the Islamic center in San Martin, and found nothing.

I mean, nothing. Most organizations have their board of directors listed on their websites, complete with bona fides. The SVIC says they have a seven-member board of directors, and advises viewers to get to know them, but does not list so much as their names. The website has a button to click to learn about the school, but lists no faculty.

The website has a button to click to make donations, but does not say where the donations are going.

The website does have a very elaborate system for determining exactly when and the precise direction in which to pray toward Mecca. First things first.

Probably the donations will go to build the SVIC Cordoba Center, not to aid and abet Hamas or Hezbollah. And probably the local residents who wrote in support of the Cordoba Center, Judy Anderson-Hamed, Nuzhat Alavi, and Farhana Afroz, are just nice, peaceable South County residents yearning to be able to practice their religion freely.

(It is too bad that Muslim countries such as Saudi Arabia do not allow the free exercise of religions other than Islam. But of course, if Muslims ever did become a majority in the United States, they would adopt the values of our country and continue to allow religious freedom here. Naturally.)[um, Naturally??? since when?]

And probably the SVIC has nothing to hide. They probably just have a webmaster who works a real job and has not had time to post the names of the board.

But if I were the board of directors of SVIC, I would write a cheerful letter to Mariam Moustafa of Irvine, thanking her for her good intentions and asking her to not write any more. If SVIC wants the support of this community, linking themselves to American Muslim Alliance, the American Muslim Council, the Council on American-Islamic Relations, the Muslim Public Affairs Council, the Muslim American Society, the Islamic Society of North America, Hamas, and Hezbollah seems ill-advised.

Posted by: justamomof4 at September 8, 2007 7:51 PM

Thanks justamof and all the others for your support!

Here's the latest on the Bali bombers:

http://sheikyermami.com/2007/09/08/bali-bombers-date-with-death-closer-really/

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at September 8, 2007 8:12 PM

Leon and Matamoros--

As I said before, I don't want the dispute from another thread to spill over onto this one. Hence a few deletions here.

Posted by: MarisolJW at September 8, 2007 10:28 PM

It is tough playing catch up sometimes, but I did my best. That being said, I decree that Marisol is most-wise in situations such as these. Take heed.

Self-moderation should be of an utmost importance to every commentator who truly supports this site.

The old adage, "loose lips, sinks ships", rings most true here at JW.

Posted by: awake at September 8, 2007 11:39 PM

"Polite and softly spoken"

I think one of the main problems with liberals and others who refuse to see the threat Islam presents to the world is that they just can't see past the "Polite and softly spoken" Muslims. It's like they don't hears the words, they just hear the tone of voice, and the manners of those who say the things they say. They don't seem to listen to what they actually say.

As I read up on Islam, and found sites that had Q&A pages and messages boards where Muslims talk to other Muslims, that was the one thing that really stood out to me. Muslims are very, very polite. They use very flowery language, and there is pretty much nothing they don't praise somehow. In some fashion. It's almost bizarre. Nothing seems to make them mad. They just carry on and explain what Islam calls for and that's it.

I think too many people are waiting for some raving lunatic mad man before they understand what Islam really is and what it wants. They need some villain with a face to go with the enemy.

They don't seem to understand that the most dangerous face is the one with a soft voice and a smile.

Posted by: Jaynie59 at September 9, 2007 12:06 AM

Jaynie59 --

Excellent post! I immediately thought of the 60 Minutes interview that Mike Wallace did last summer with Ahmadinejad and that SMILE of his. Remember? Ever time Ahmad spoke he maintained an eerie & disingenuous smile that gave me the woolies.

Satan often comes as an angel of light -- not the pitch forked fiend with horns and a red tail that we typically imagine.

Posted by: champ at September 9, 2007 12:23 AM

Claude Rains just phoned in from the afterlife to say that he's still "Shocked, shocked".

Posted by: profitsbeard at September 9, 2007 1:52 AM

The Lefty Guardian made a typical PC response to this article but even their readers responded with some of the most virulent comments I've ever seen.

Skim over the article then enjoy the comments.

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/ajmal_masroor/2007/09/the_times_report_today_focuses.html

Posted by: teba at September 9, 2007 8:27 AM

Teba:
Thanks for that post on the Guardian story. Really good and funny comments from fed-up Brits against a story that was doubtless intended as another MSM pacification tool. Below I'm appending the comments of one George of the Jungle from that thread. It is really quite precious!!!
______________________
You wrote, "Strange, for to me the Qur'an speaks about every aspect of life, including politics. I also had discussions on topics such as arts and music." This is exactly why Islam is NOT a religion but an ideology. Look below for the definition of ideology. "every aspect of life" is the clue to Islam being an ideology, and a very dangerous ideology.

Ideolody (n) definition:
1. The body of ideas reflecting the social needs and aspirations of an individual, group, class, or culture.
2. A set of doctrines or beliefs that form the basis of a political, economic, or other system.

Ideologies are systems of abstract thought (as opposed to mere ideation) applied to public matters and thus make this concept central to politics. Implicitly every political tendency entails an ideology whether or not it is propounded as an explicit system of thought.

Islam is not a religion but a dangerous ideology akin to National Socialism and Communism.

These ignorant imams that Britian is letting in from India and Pakistan should be deported back to their countries.

If Muslims go to a Western Country by choice, then they should assimilate into that country's culture and society, not try to force their out-moded and dangerous beliefs on the society that they have adopted.

And I mean ridiculous - for example, the religious clerics in Iran have decreed that women are not allowed to go to a soccer stadium to watch games because the naked legs of the young male players may excite the women too much. Please, is this even logical? Where in the Qu'ran does it say that male soccer players legs are too exciting for women? It doesn't, because this is not religion, it is part of a dangerous ideology.

Saudi Arabia bans women from participating in 99% of the running of the country. Saudi Arabia bans women from driving. Saudi Arabia decrees that all women must be fully veiled and covered when in public. Saudi Arabia bans women from going out by themselves - they must always be in twos or threes. Saudi Arabia bans an uncle from sitting alone with his niece in her home. Saudi Arabia bans all other religions from practicing in their country (I hold that the Christian West should do likewise and ban the Muslim religion from their countries). The list goes on and on. Where in the Qu'ran does it say that women are banned from all these things? It doesn't, because these things are based on a primitive tribal ideology from 1428 years ago that has become static. No wonder nothing innovative or original has come out of the Muslim world for the past 1400 years - innovation, free-thinking and curiosity is banned and suppressed by their dim-witted and backward clerics who want absolute male power and dominance.

If Muslims in the western world demand such things as all males to be banned from a basketball game, or a wall to be built in a gym so that they can workout in private, or separate hours for men and women in a public swimming pool, or separate prayer rooms at airports or work places, then I say they are making a laughing stock of the West.

The west should say, "If you want to force your outmoded and psychologically harmful ideology on us, then leave - go back to Saudi Arabia or where ever you came from, so you can be repressed to your heart's content."

It is time that Western Governments stopped pandering to the manic and insane religious practices of this suppressive ideology, and trying to be "oh, so politically correct". It is time for the West to tell all Muslims to assimilate in the country of their choice, or just get out... go back to some backwards Muslim country where they can bow obediently to the male phallus and poke their unwashed arseholes up into the air.

I am just sick of the backwards, arrogant, stupid, and insane demands of this so-called religion. I am also sick of the West for trying not to "insult" by practicing this stupid political correctness. Please, let's call a spade a spade. The Muslim religion is not a religion, it is a political ideology, and psychologically harmful, authoritative, and buried in the distant past. If Muslims living in the civilized world cannot adapt to their chosen country, let them go back to their uncivilized, tribal, primitive, dirty, and phallic-fearing, phallic-centric and phallic-worshipping countries and leave us alone.

Posted by: JohnAdams at September 9, 2007 12:00 PM

Dear Brothers,

It is a humble invitation to a truth, which is revealed by God (Allah-almighty) to the total mankind, up on Prophet Muhammad (Peace be up on Him) as revealed before on Prophets Moses (Mosa), Jesus (Isa) and other Prophets (Peace be up on them all). But now only 100% purely existing religion in this world is Islam! And only purely 100% existing revelation is Holy Qur'an All other revelations are corrupted! The only true God Allah-almighty/our creator/the creator of universe says in Qur'an (V51: 56) that "And I (Allah) created not the Jinn and Mankind except that they should worship Me (Allah alone)". As well as in (Qur'an 3:64) Allah says that "O people of the Scripture! Come to a Word that is Just between us (Muslim) and you, that we worship none but Allah (Alone), and that we associate no partners with Him (Allah), and that none of us shall take others as Lords (Gods) besides Allah. Then, if they turn away, say: Bear witness that we are Muslims (truly submitted/obeying to only-God)".

Islam is a total submission and worship to only Allah-almighty/only-God/our-Creator, Creator of universe, Self-sufficient- Master, whom all creatures need, He begets not, nor was He Begotten, Most Gracious, Most Merciful, 100%-Perfect, Eternal and there is none Co-equal or comparable unto Him-(Allah).

A voluntary relationship/submission to our Creator/Sustainer Allah in His Oneness with obedience (of His commands-Qur'an and teaching of Prophet Muhammad PBUH), and denouncing polytheism and its adherents to gain a peaceful/successful life in this world and Hereafter gain Paradise as well as protection from Hell-fire.

None has the right to be worshipped but Allah, Muhammed is the Messenger of Allah

Nothing else is worthy of worship; not stones, statues, crosses, tombs, the sun, the moon, stars, movie stars, musician, athletes, Prophets (from any religion), saints, priests, temples, animals, religious scholars or any creature. If worship anything other than Allah-almighty, is the only sin that would never be forgiven on the Day of Judgment! If you do not study this truth, adopt it and publish it in front of your people, you would be responsible for your people and yourself hereafter on the Day of Judgment.

No Terrorism in Islam:

"There is no compulsion in religion (Islam). Verily, the right path (Islam-Monotheism) has become distinct from the wrong path (Polytheism), whoever disbelieves in "Taguth" (all false Gods) and believes in Allah (only God), and then he has grasped the most trustworthy-handhold that will never break. And Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower" (Qur'an 2:256). The only times in which Islamic believers are allowed to take up arms are when they are defending their own lives and the lives of their people. When they See the weak being oppressed in acts of tyranny, and when they are prohibited from practicing their religion. Aside from these circumstances, there is no legitimate fighting in Islam

"Invite to the Way of your Lord with wisdom and fair preaching, and argue with them in a way that better. Truly, your Lord knows best who has gone astray from His Path, and He is the Best Aware of those who are guided."

Holy Qur’an 16:125

"Do not the Unbelievers see That the heavens and the earth Were joined together (as one Unit of Creation), before We clove them asunder? "[Al-Quraan 21:30]

The striking congruence between the Quraanic verse and the Big Bang is inescapable! How could a book, which first appeared in the deserts of Arabia 1400 years ago, contain this profound scientific truth?

THE EXPANDING UNIVERSE

In 1925, an American astronomer by the name of Edwin Hubble, provided observational evidence that all galaxies are receding from one another, which implies that the universe is expanding. The expansion of the universe is now an established scientific fact. This is what Al-Quraan says regarding the nature of the universe:

With the power and skill Did We construct The Firmament: For it is We Who create The vastness of Space. [Al-Quraan 51:47]

The Arabic word msin is correctly translated as expanding it, and it refers to the creation of the expanding vastness of the universe. Stephen Hawking, in his book, A Brief History of Time, says, The discovery that the universe is expanding was one of the great intellectual revolutions of the 20th century.

Posted by: shyam at September 11, 2007 4:56 AM