Reminds me of communists and what they did to my people to keep "brotherhood and unity" with barbarians...

Posted by: LazarOfSerbia at September 11, 2007 2:31 PM

Strange.....I don't recall any European country cracking down on islamic nutters preaching hatred on our cities streets.

UK readers, can contrast this with how the "Behead anyone who criticises Islam" protestors were treated in London.

Posted by: Celsius at September 11, 2007 2:32 PM

How did the world get to this point? People are aloud to loudly say that they want sharia law to replace the government, right out there in broad daylight, on busy streets. Meanwhile...people who protest this are arrested and silenced. Is this what all western countries can expect in the future? Is this what tens of thousands of people fought and died for over the centuries? Censorship?

Posted by: mrockroll1969 at September 11, 2007 2:47 PM

The reason given for not allowing the protest was that they couldn't guarantee the safety of the protestors. And yet they had 100 police there not to protect but to arrest.

Posted by: Borg at September 11, 2007 2:48 PM

They’ll try to register private weapons before things play out, but it’s too late. There are 270 million in the US alone. Watch for ammunition controls, starting with taxes:

THE AMMUNITION TAX RATE IS:
(1) 50 CENTS PER ROUND OF AMMUNITION FOR AMMUNITION OTHER THAN ANTIPERSONNEL AMMUNITION; AND
(2) $5 PER ROUND OF AMMUNITION FOR ANTIPERSONNEL AMMUNITION.

http://www.maryland-business.net/bullet_tax.html

Gold $712, up $50 in two weeks.

Posted by: pez at September 11, 2007 2:51 PM

Reloads

Posted by: MP at September 11, 2007 2:55 PM

It's yet another testament as to how far the Eurocommiecrats will go to protect the new order in Europe. Meanwhile Islamists practice their version of apartheid as they plot the eventual subjugation of Europe. And the goverment and media elites continue their denial and continue to spread the multicultural Kool-Aid.

Of course, anyone voicing opposition to the Islamization of Europe will be demonized as far right extremists while the mainstream extreme far left sell out their countries and culture to the Islamist enemy. I'd like to be optimistic about Europe but unless many more voices join the courageous few who dare to speak out, and soon, the Islamization will reach the point of no return.

And once again, we Americans must realize that the same will happen here too. The same forces at wotk in Europe are also at work here, Europe is just further along.

Posted by: Proud Infidel at September 11, 2007 2:56 PM

This is a bare start to a phenomenon which will become quite regular in 'liberal' Europe.

Posted by: dgene at September 11, 2007 3:09 PM

Yeah they are on the right track for defending western culture.

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at September 11, 2007 3:12 PM

Apparently the Brussels authorities receive 500-600 applications a year to hold marches and demonstrations in that city. In the past five years, they have turned down only five applications. The march against the Islamization of Europe was one of them.

Brussels Mayor Freddy Thielemans is not Muslim, as at least one poster here has asserted--but his Deputy Mayor, Algerian-born Faouza Harighe, is. She is frequently acting Mayor as Theielemans is off gadding about out of town.

Thielemans himself is an atheist--I don't have a problem with that in and of itself. He is very hostile to Christians, though. Upon hearing of the death of Pope John-Paul ii, he offered free champagne to everybody at the diplomatic event he was attending. I didn't agree with the Pope on every point, but this is appalling behavior--especially in an elected official.

The impression I have gotten of his attitude toward Islamification in Europe is two-fold--he looks at Muslims in Europe as a pool of voters to prop up his Socialist Party regime, and a group that must be mollified and catered to in order to avoid outbreaks of uncontrollable violence.

This appeasement is not only craven--it is also unlikely to work in the long-run.

Posted by: gravenimage at September 11, 2007 3:17 PM

It is clearly within Islamic jurisprudence to engage in offensive military Jihad to convert, subjugate, or kill all non-Muslims. There is a threat from within on three fronts that enable Jihadists in their quest. Native Muslims, leftist government officials, and a popular left leaning media. This point has been illustrated by the recent incident in Brussels where a peaceful SIOE http://siad.wordpress.com/2007/08/30/there-is-a-march-coming-up-a-march-towards-the-capital-of-europe-%e2%80%93-brussels/ protest was broken up and its members assaulted by the police http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/2438 . To add insult to injury the BBC has labeled the SIOE, as a right wing organization http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6989581.stm. To what purpose is the (SIOE) Stop Islamisation Of Europe labeled as right wing and therefore a racist organization? All it is doing is fighting for the rights of non-Muslims to live freely in their own countries. It is explained thusly : There is a concept called "Abrogation" in the Qur’an, and that is: The Qur’an was (supposedly) revealed to Muhammad in a sequence of events, the latter verses supercede and nullifies the earlier verses. Out of the whole Qur’an, there are 124 verses that teach some tolerance towards non-Muslims...but here is the striking fact....all of these verses are void, and were abrogated by the last verse (supposedly) revealed upon Muhammad, and that is verse 9:5 listed aboveSuyuti (One of the most respected authorities in Islam) in his book "Istenbat al tanzeel" says: "Every thing in the Qur'an about forgiveness is abrogated by verse 9:5."Al-Shawkani in his book "Alsaylu Jarar" (4:518-519) says: "Islam is unanimous about fighting the unbelievers and forcing them to Islam or submitting and paying Jiziah (special tax paid only by Christians or Jews) or being killed. [The verses] about forgiving them are abrogated unanimously by the obligation of fighting in any case." Finally here is what Muhammad the prophet of Islam himself said: Ibn Haban in his Sahih, vol. 14, p. 529, narrates: Muhammad said: "I swear by Him who has my soul in his hands, I was sent to you with nothing but slaughter." This concept in Islam is regarded my most scholars in the Islamic world, as a pretext for global war in the name of Islam. Here was have an organization, that clearly recognized this fact, and is trying to fight it. What help does it get from the press, government, and courts of Europe? In a word …prosecution. It is all too clear now that in order to preserve ourselves we must dissolve the current powers in government, and media. This will happen sooner through the electorate, or eventually by mob rule. As Bush so eloquently puts it. You, in this case government, are either with us or against us.

Posted by: Ameriki at September 11, 2007 3:18 PM

Alas, this doen't surprise me in the slightest. Those dolts are so scared of the Islamists its pathetic.

Posted by: Andrew Ian Dodge at September 11, 2007 3:19 PM

This is so depressing to me to see western governments selling their culture out to the muslims like this.

Think I'll go home and load a couple boxes of ammo. That always makes me feel better.

Posted by: walterc at September 11, 2007 3:19 PM

@ pez - I bought my gold on Sept. 1 so I'm obviously thrilled I got in early (relatively speaking). Plus, it was a series of coins that just sold out, so it's now selling at a $20 premium per coin! Only wish I could have bought more...I think we'll need it before this is all over. I highly recommend that anyone here who is interested in the state of our economy should read, among other books, The Coming Economic Collapse, by Stephen Leeb, PhD. It'll make your hair stand on end.

Posted by: mepeteart at September 11, 2007 3:19 PM

I hate conspiracy theories, but I agree that this will be happening here soon.

There is too much happening here and overseas that are identical, in action, statements, and procedures.

Evil has become good, Patriotism has become evil, Freedom of speech is only free if you say what Democrats want to here, Religions that have made great societies are wrong, Religions that have no societies are right, Womens rights are required only in the west not any other country, Speak of morality and you are a freak, speak of inmorality and you are in the Whitehouse.

It is too organized even in third world countries to assume that there is not a common hand. You can feel it slightly under the radar.

The sheep are being lead to the slaughter. Everyone look straight ahead, do not look to the left or right and no speaking.

If this would have happened to a liberal organization the MSM would be screaming 'Nazi action'. But because this is happening to conservatives the MSM will hype it down.

What will the world look like when the liberals finally get their way? I believe that even liberals will come to a realization that they were fooled.

That is my foolish theory rant of the day.

Posted by: alaskan1000 at September 11, 2007 3:23 PM

One of many reasons Europe is usless in the confrontation with Islam.

They hate Bush because he ruffeled up the Natives Feathers. The new Natives that is.

Posted by: flowerknife_us at September 11, 2007 3:30 PM

Yeah but I am glad the event happened.

You can be sure it will be written about in the media. And I dont believe the coverage will be all unfavourable. Its people talking, thinking, researching. A lot of thinkiing journalist will be writing.

Just need to make the event bigger in years to come.

Posted by: UK Infidel Lover at September 11, 2007 3:31 PM

Europe, it's time to fight back.

Posted by: Foehammer at September 11, 2007 3:31 PM

When flamboyant gay men with mountains of carefully coiffed quoifs in boofy platinum blond are thought of as "extreme far right" (I'm thinkin' Geert Wilders here folks...) you know the Eurotrash media is in outer space.

In Europe today (and in some sectors of America too) persons such as Joe Lieberman are considered to be neo-Nazi extreme right wing fascists.

World gone mad.

Posted by: jsla at September 11, 2007 3:41 PM

The western (not Eastern) European political left has for many, many years been hurling the epithet "fascist" against Americans and with little argument from the wider western European populace (look at the many poll statistics as to what Euros generally think of America if you don't believe ME--Europeans believe America to be the biggest threat to world peace and favor Red China over America!).

But Europeans, with the EU Bureaucracy's blessing, are about to experience REAL fascism unseen in generations.

I suspect the western European cheese-eaters will soon rue the day they decided--and acted-- to undermine American power on the global stage.

As for western Europeans fighting back, it isn't for nothing Mark Steyn titled his recent book "AMERICA ALONE." America surely at this point IS alone. Under the EU's thumb, Europe looks like a goner.

Posted by: pythagoras at September 11, 2007 3:46 PM

I must say, while commendable the protest took place (it's a start), the turnout was very disappointing. Proponents will site may reasons for low participation: rally was banned, potential police intimidation etc; but at the end of the day, if 200 protesters was all the good guys could muster, then essentially the populace is still dormant and Islam will continue to spread unabated. Very troubling...

On the bright side, no other public protest against Islam has been attempted of this magnitude and hopefully it's a start of bigger things to come.

Posted by: Triumphant_Paladin at September 11, 2007 3:46 PM

Apparently the Brussels authorities receive 500-600 applications a year to hold marches and demonstrations in that city. In the past five years, they have turned down only five applications. The march against the Islamization of Europe was one of them.

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And why did they turn down this protest? Because they were afraid they couldn't guarantee public order. Did things get out of hand?

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at September 11, 2007 3:57 PM

Foehammer, when Europe fights next time, the target will be America.

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at September 11, 2007 4:00 PM

jsla, don't forget Pyn Fortuyn. Ok, so he didn't have lovely hair, but he was a flamboyment homosexual who was demonized as being on the extreme Right.

He was actually a socialist who saw earlier than most what was happening, protested, and was murdered by some hate filled lunatic on the Left.

If he'd gained power (as was quite possible) how different would Holland have been?

Posted by: Celsius at September 11, 2007 4:02 PM

Triumphant-Paladin:

What 'bright side' are you talking about?

The western European corporate establishment has billions and billions of euros invested in the Islamic nations (such as the UAE) and is not about to permit all this profit to be threatened by protesters in European cities (such activities when televised don't play well in the Islamic cernters like Dubai, Abu Dhabi and elsewhere the Euro business community has invested so much capital). That is what the all the fuss in Brussels is really about.

western Europe simply is no longer a bastion of democracy, and democracy's passing in western Europe went out with nary a demonstration from the western Europeans. The scant protests we are now seeing there could be as much an expression of feelings among western Europeans of loss as of anti-islam. I have yet to see any signs that many western Europeans are aware of a significant threat posed by Islam to Europe.

It looks like the few Europeans to protest now quite probably are too late-- the die has already been cast against democracy in Europe. I see no 'bright side' in western Europe (but in eastern Europe MAYBE).

Posted by: pythagoras at September 11, 2007 4:06 PM

'Only 200 or so [unarmed] protesters showed up Tuesday for a protest lasting only 30 minutes. The demonstrators faced more than 100 police, backed up by water cannons and helicopters, who closed off streets around the EU headquarters."

Kinda overkill, don'tcha think?

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at September 11, 2007 4:10 PM

WOW

This is scary, from a population of 490,426,060 only 200 or so protesters showed up Tuesday for a protest lasting only 30 minutes.

Yet a few weeks ago several hundred muslims showed up to protest about a few drawings in a Swedish town, that most people had never heard of before

Posted by: shiva at September 11, 2007 4:22 PM

WOW

This is scary, from a population of 490,426,060 only 200 or so protesters showed up Tuesday for a protest lasting only 30 minutes.

Yet a few weeks ago several hundred muslims showed up to protest about a few drawings in a Swedish town, that most people had never heard of before

Posted by: shiva at September 11, 2007 4:23 PM

Yeah CC their should have been a half million protesting , the invaders must be beside themselves with glee with this demonstration of dhimmitude and complacency. Discracefull

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at September 11, 2007 4:23 PM

This reminds me of "through the looking glass". Everything is topsy turvy and opposite. I know it all boils down to politics, and short sightedness but it makes me want to spit.

Let me get it straight. Islamic hate mongers are allowed to protest, whenever, where ever they want to. They can hold signs up saying "London is the next 9/11" etc. They can hold a "parade" (however pathetic) on the streets of NYC 2 days before the anniversary of 9/11. On and on ad nauseum. WE cannot hold a peaceful march without being arrested.

HUH???? the world has gone crazy....

Posted by: gymgal at September 11, 2007 4:23 PM

If the protesters are trying to prevent the triumpf of Islam in Europe, I have news for them, Islam is already triumphant. The fear factor that Muslims have introduced into Europe has already paralyzed European governments, and made them willing to violate the rights of non-Muslims in their countries just to farstall a violent reaction from the Muslim population. They know that they have every reason to be fearful, and yet still continue to mouth the fiction of Islam as a peaceful religion. They are terrified to say anything else.

Reminds me of the Tarantulas of the American Southwest that are used by Wasps to lay and incubate their eggs. When approached by the Wasp, the Tarantula, who could easily kill the Wasp, is so terrified, that it allows the Wasp to mount its back and proceed to sting it to death. The Wasp than deposits its eggs in the carcus, where they incubate, hatch, and eat their way out.

Europe, like the Tarantula, is at that point where it can still fight back, but most likely won't. And the Islamic Wasp knows it won't. The only thing left if the mounting and deadly sting.

Posted by: rational at September 11, 2007 4:26 PM

lol @ topic...how sad, but true (Kudos, Marisol)

One thing learned about the islamofascist, islamicommie unholy alliance...everyone not of them is "far-right", spewed ad hominem, ad nauseum.
Next, they'll start back in on their older variant of "this...vast...right...wing...conspiracy!"
...blah...blah...blah...
*yawn*

Just goes to show some feel they can never beat a dead horse enough times.
Welcome to the wonderful world of political correctness.

LOL

Posted by: jcom972 at September 11, 2007 4:27 PM

rational,

EXCELLENT analogy!

Posted by: gymgal at September 11, 2007 4:35 PM

Meanwhile, Hillary is mentioning putting in legislation against "hate crimes" with an eye towards certain beleagured minorities, including Moslems.

2:216 * 4:74 * 9:111 * 8:12 * 4:96 * 56:22 * 38:51 * 55:56 * 55:76 * 56:22 * 8:74 * 9:2 *

Being a Yale Law grad, she of course does not possess the requisite capacity for common sense to be able to read the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution and understand the Equal Protection clause therein.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at September 11, 2007 4:39 PM

I would like to know what the average British Joe or German Franz thinks of this appalling a$$-pounding the Euro governments are taking from the Islamonazis. Are they ignorant? Don't care? Speaking out? Writing their representatives? Angry?
And it is not as though I don't think the same thing could not happen in America--clearly it can. I just would like to think that there is a silent majority in these once-proud countries that will, when push comes to shove, fight for their homeland and freedom.
Gives one a new respect for our 2nd Amendment, does it not?

Posted by: JohnAdams at September 11, 2007 4:41 PM

Slightly off topic....I'm speechless
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http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=cp_fc6h5g7n673&show_article=1
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Disturbed anti-war protester can't find soldier, kills civilian with axe instead

Sep 11 12:52 PM US/Eastern
TOBY STERLING

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands (AP) - A U.S. citizen has confessed to using an axe to kill a Dutch student after failing to find a soldier to attack, his lawyer said Tuesday.
The suspect, Carlos Hartmann, 41, of Tecumseh, Mich., has confessed to the Sept. 8 killing on a train platform in the southern city of Roosendaal, defence lawyer Peter Gremmen said.

Gremmen said Hartmann wanted to punish the Netherlands for its support of the war in Iraq.

Hartmann appeared before a judge Tuesday and was ordered held for another two weeks for investigation.

"He hates soldiers, and says that the army kills people, so it would be legitimate if he were also to kill someone . . . from the American military - or from its NATO allies," Gremmen said in a telephone interview.

When he failed to find a soldier at the Roosendaal train station, "he got such a crazy, disturbed idea that he killed a civilian," Gremmen said.

Hartmann did not attempt to escape and was arrested shortly after the killing.

Dutch prosecutors confirmed that the suspect had confessed but did not identify him or his victim, in keeping with Dutch practice.

Under the Dutch legal system, Hartmann was not required to enter a plea Tuesday.

Prosecution spokeswoman Martine Pilaar said her office was taken aback by the defence lawyer's willingness to disclose details of his case.

But Gremmen said he was only confirming details published by the local newspaper BN/De Stem. The paper's source was not named, and police declined to comment.

"I was also surprised when I saw the paper; I thought, this must be coming from the investigation," the lawyer said.

Gremmen said Hartmann has lived in the Netherlands since 2002, supporting himself with English editing work for a Japanese company, which he could do by computer, and that he had no fixed address.

He said Hartmann had consented to undergo psychological testing, and was now "terribly sorry for his deed."

The victim, identified as Thijs Geers, was waiting for a train and had no connection with the suspect or the military. Online condolence registers in the Netherlands were flooded with messages of sympathy for him and his family.

BN/De Stem quoted a witness who asked to remain anonymous as describing Hartmann as striking the victim in the back of the head with the axe. It also quoted an unidentified family member from the United States as saying Hartmann has suffered from emotional problems since his early 20s.

"It's a sad story," Gremmen said. "But I'm glad he's admitted what he's done and that he's sorry for it."

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=cp_fc6h5g7n673&show_article=1

The Canadian Press, 2007

Posted by: docgary at September 11, 2007 4:49 PM

This is an E-mail I constructed to help inform my friends and family. Maybe someone more eloquent than myself could come up with somethig that could be used mass e-mailed if you will, so that the truth can be seen by all.

Please pass this on. There was a peaceful demonstration in Brussels today marking 9/11. The demonstrators were attacked by the police. This was done by a government with politically correct motives. It is clear whom the governments of Europe are behind in this case. It is of great importance that people understand the gravity of the situation not only here in America, but especially in Europe. This is a letter, which I posted online about this case.


It is clearly within Islamic jurisprudence to engage in offensive military Jihad to convert, subjugate, or kill all non-Muslims. There is a threat from within on three fronts that enable Jihadists in their quest. Native Muslims, leftist government officials, and a popular left leaning media. This point has been illustrated by the recent incident in Brussels where a peaceful SIOE http://siad.wordpress.com/2007/08/30/there-is-a-march-coming-up-a-march-towards-the-capital-of-europe-%e2%80%93-brussels/ protest was broken up and its members assaulted by the police http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/2438 . To add insult to injury the BBC has labeled the SIOE, as a right wing organization http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6989581.stm. To what purpose is the (SIOE) Stop Islamisation Of Europe labeled as right wing and therefore a racist organization? All it is doing is fighting for the rights of non-Muslims to live freely in their own countries. It is explained thusly : There is a concept called "Abrogation" in the Qur’an, and that is: The Qur’an was (supposedly) revealed to Muhammad in a sequence of events, the latter verses supercede and nullifies the earlier verses. Out of the whole Qur’an, there are 124 verses that teach som e tolerance towards non-Muslims...but here is the striking fact....all of these verses are void, and were abrogated by the last verse (supposedly) revealed upon Muhammad, and that is verse 9:5 "Fight and slay the pagans [Christians] wherever ye find them and seize them, confine them, and lie in wait for them in every place of ambush" (Surah 9:5). Suyuti (One of the most respected authorities in Islam) in his book "Istenbat al tanzeel" says: "Every thing in the Qur'an about forgiveness is abrogated by verse 9:5."Al-Shawkani in his book "Alsaylu Jarar" (4:518-519) says: "Islam is unanimous about fighting the unbelievers and forcing them to Islam or submitting and paying Jiziah (special tax paid only by Christians or Jews) or being killed. [The verses] about forgiving them are abrogated unanimously by the obligation of fighting in any case." Finally here is what Muhammad the prophet of Islam himself said: Ibn Haban in his Sahih, vol. 14, p. 529, narrates: Muhammad said: "I swear by Him who has my soul in his hands, I was sent to you with nothing but slaughter." This concept in Islam is regarded my most scholars in the Islamic world, as a pretext for global war in the name of Islam. Here we have an organization, that clearly recognizes this fact, and is trying to fight it. What help does it get from the press, government, and courts of Europe? In a word …prosecution. It is all too clear now that in order to preserve ourselves we must dissolve the current powers in government, and media. This will happen sooner through the electorate, or eventually by mob rule. As Bush so eloquently puts it. You, in this case government, are either with us or against us. Simple reasearch on the readers part will comfirm what Islam means for you in the west if we take as example how minorities of the Islamic world a re treated. Trust me the truth is out there google Coptic Christians+ Egypt and explore a whole new world of repression, hate, and desrimination that will blow your mind. This is what Europeans will be giving to thier children if you follow current demographic modles.

Posted by: Ameriki at September 11, 2007 4:51 PM

JohnAdams--"there is a silent majority in these once-proud countries that will, when push comes to shove, fight for their homeland and freedom."

Yes. Unfortunately, they're all in their sixties, and they're facing jihadists in their teens and twenties. I don't give them very good odds. :(

Posted by: radishthegreat at September 11, 2007 4:53 PM

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1355/1362271216_071ee03728.jpg?v=0

This picture says it all really.
Just normal concerned citizens nothing about the so called "far right".
Although a few skinheads were present and dramatically arrested and glady filmed and photographed by the media the reality was that the vast majority were everyday normal European citizens who were denied there right to a peaceful demonstration.
Thats the real fascism of the socialist/dhimmi left in Europe.

Posted by: Frankish Infidel at September 11, 2007 4:56 PM

Really, I'm less concerned about Islam than I am about the political left (which seems to cover basically the entire political spectrum here in Europe...)

The mayor of Bruxelles banned this demonstration - the islamists didn't!

Posted by: Vagn Henning at September 11, 2007 5:00 PM

JohnAdams:
I would like to know what the average British Joe or German Franz thinks of this appalling a$$-pounding the Euro governments are taking from the Islamonazis.

Most are not informed but are uneasy.
They know something is wrong with Islam but few have figured out what.

Are they ignorant?

Yup. 99.9%

Don't care?

They probably do care but the problem is although Europe has democracies, it is in name only. For example, much of the EU project proceeds without democratic mandate. Governments by consensus surrender national powers to the EU without any say so by the people. The mandarins have contempt for the people. We have seen for nearly 20 years, wave-after-wave of unaccountable EU legalisation, undermining of national sovreignity. Referendums are despised just in case the people "vote wrong". That is what France and Holland did. People are resigned.
The people exist just to rubber stamp the EU vision. I would like to see the whole EU project dismantled.

So it is not just Islam.
It is everything else as well.
Democracy is healthy in America (even if you get leaders who are not wise). In Europe it is very unhealthy. Voters are disenchanted because they dont believe their vote counts. Hence the rise of protest movements as they believe if there is enough noise, eventually a politican will consider a change to the status quo

Speaking out? Writing their representatives? Angry?

All of those. And I must do more.

Posted by: UK Infidel Lover at September 11, 2007 5:04 PM

I have an idea forming in my brain. (in a village idiot voice)

I really need to reference the Koranic text on this.

But.....

as these religious texts are written so metaphorically, is it possible that rather than saying "the people that have strayed from the path" (paraphrased) should be subjugated as a command...

Could it be "the people that stray from the path" can be subjugated as a strategy?

Not sure that it makes any difference, but it's not really the same thing. The atheist would say it's all hogwash. But a faithful person could consider it to be a test of sorts. Let's say it IS a battle of good and evil that's been going on since the beginning of time. Today people are so willing to step away from God to appease other men. Examples being; removing prayer from schools, or "under God", "in God we trust" or Christian material from prisons, purely to superordinate man made laws and secular values. As man made laws and policies become viewed as superior to Gods laws we have made a choice. And God, being a gentlemen, will honor your decision which opens the door to Satan.

Sounds like science fiction but the thought just flew by.

Posted by: Abrog8 at September 11, 2007 5:06 PM

Answered my own question from above.
Here is one website/blog with links to countless others showing many increasingly irate and disgusted Euros waking up to the problem in their midst. Unfortunately they are looking at civil war in their near future.
http://www.actioninengland.gb.com/

Posted by: JohnAdams at September 11, 2007 5:08 PM

Well Rational,Times have changed. Islam speaks softly and carries a big stick , the terrorism stick.

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at September 11, 2007 5:30 PM

Here's Mr Thielemans email address. Let him know how you feel.

Kabinet.Bgm.Thielemans@brucity.be

At least he'll have an idea how we feel. Maybe send a link to the blog too, just so he has some light reading.

Posted by: gymgal at September 11, 2007 5:31 PM

The Brussels city council is majority-Muslim?

From the Gates of Vienna:

Here’s a list of the ruling Socialist Party (PS) members of the Brussels city council headed by Mayor Freddy Thielemans.

Of the eighteen PS members, no fewer than ten have obvious Muslim names. It’s possible others may be ‘reverts’.

Thielemans is just a buffoonish front man. Muslims now control the key city at the heart of the European Union.

1. Fatima Abid
2. Mustafa Amrani
3. Samira Attalbi
4. Mohammed Boukantar
5. Philippe Close
6. Jean Baptiste de Crée
7. Ahmed el Ktibi
8. Julie Fiszman
9. Faouzia Hariche
10. Karine Lalieux
11. Marie-Paule Mathias
12. Yvan Mayeur
13. Mounia Mejbar
14. Mohamed Ouria Ghli
15. Mahfoudh Romdhani
16. Sevket Temiz
17. Freddy Thielemans
18. Christian Van Der Linden

Posted by: traeh at September 11, 2007 6:17 PM

Welcome to the wonderful world of "tolerance",
the result of the wonderful world of "multicult-ism",
in turn the result of the wonderful world of political correctness...and the brownshirts are in power.

Ya get what ya tolerate.

Posted by: jcom972 at September 11, 2007 6:22 PM

Do you want to demonstrate in Brussels because you think 9/11 was an inside job of the evil nazi US government? No problem, go ahead. But don't dare to commemorate the victims of 9/11 because then you get this:

http://kleinverzet.blogspot.com/2007/09/911-commemoration.html

(Please come and look here to the picture and movies of the police brutality and lack of freedom of speech in Europe or should I say Eurabia?).

Posted by: Ferdy at September 11, 2007 6:23 PM

Is it true that a majority-Muslim city council in Brussels is beginning the end of the right of people peaceably to assemble and petition for a redress of grievances?

Is this just another of many beginnings of the end of the Western approach to human rights in Europe?

Posted by: traeh at September 11, 2007 6:24 PM

The demonstration was initially planned by Stop Islamization of Europe, a loose alliance with roots in Germany, Britain and Denmark, which had predicted that 20,000 people would come to Brussels from all over Europe.

Brussels Mayor Freddy Thielemans banned the protest last month, calling SIOE an inflammatory group and its proposed demonstration a threat to public order. An appeals court upheld the ban Aug. 29.

Only 200 or so protesters showed up Tuesday for a protest lasting only 30 minutes.

The demonstrators faced more than 100 police, backed up by water cannons and helicopters, who closed off streets around the EU headquarters.

Freddy will no doubt do better under shariah; and you wonder why and how islam will prevail over the West?

They don't WMD -- they HAVE Mayors like Freddy and the rest of you by the ...!

Posted by: witness at September 11, 2007 6:26 PM

Press release - 590(2007)

Europe is threatened by bigots - not by Islam

Statement by Terry Davis, Secretary General of the Council of Europe, on the march “Against the Islamisation of Europe” today in Brussels

Strasbourg, 11.09.2007 - European values are under threat, say the organisers of a protest march under the banner “Against the Islamisation of Europe” which was due to place today in Brussels in spite of the ban by the city Mayor. The fact is that Europe and its values are indeed under threat, but the danger is not coming from Islam. Our common European values are undermined by bigots and radicals, both islamists and islamophobes, who exploit fears and prejudice for their own political objectives.

The self-proclaimed defenders of European values say that the Mayor has violated their rights under the European Convention on Human Rights. The freedom of assembly and the freedom of expression are indeed essential preconditions for democracy, but they should not be regarded as a licence to offend. I will not enter into the discussion about whether the march should have been allowed or not, but I note that the protesters’ reading of the Convention is selective to say the least. It is very important to remember that the freedom of assembly and expression can be restricted to protect the rights and freedoms of others, including the freedom of thought, conscience and religion. This applies to everyone in Europe including the millions of Europeans of Islamic faith, who were the main target of today’s shameful display of bigotry and intolerance.

https://wcd.coe.int/ViewDoc.jsp?Ref=PR590(2007)&Language=lanEnglish&Ver=original&Site=DC&BackColorInternet=F5CA75&BackColorIntranet=F5CA75&BackColorLogged=A9BACE

God have mercy on us.

Posted by: Frankish Infidel at September 11, 2007 6:39 PM

I think that 200 demonstrators is a pretty good start.

This must be held an as annual event, and hopefully they will get more than 200 people next time.

Posted by: Voltaire at September 11, 2007 6:59 PM

"It is very important to remember that the freedom of assembly and expression can be restricted to protect the rights and freedoms of others, including the freedom of thought, conscience and religion."

Frankish Infidel -- Thanks for posting that statement by Terry Davis, Secretary General of the Council of Europe.

This is terrible.

Posted by: Josephine at September 11, 2007 7:03 PM

no uprising. no understanding. the encroachment of islam will continue, with politicians pandering to the muslims, and non-muslims becoming demoralized and seeking a private life that is as unaffected by the disaster as possible.

Posted by: StillBreathing at September 11, 2007 7:04 PM

"The freedom of assembly and the freedom of expression are indeed essential preconditions for democracy,but they should not be regarded as a license to offend."

-Terry Davis,Secretary General of the Council of Europe,from FrankishInfidel link above

Oh....Yea .. So a PTA meeting of irate parents which might manage to offend someone,should even be off limits according to such logic. Or a protest against Michael Vick. Or a right to life protest. Even an abortion rights protest. Or residents protesting against a new Chem plant in their backyards. All would be rendered invalid by such an enlightened pronouncement,except or course, you know who. Such statements are not as Rod Serlingish as they sound,it's just a case of:brainwashed or bought-off? Simple as that,maybe somebody could cash in on the reality genre with that one......call it: "Diagnose the Dhimmi."

Posted by: We need G.C. Scott at September 11, 2007 7:04 PM

which part of "illegal protest" do you'll folks not understand? No one is above the law, not the jihadists , nor the right wingers.
The report clearly states the mayor banned it as a threat to law and order a month back and it was upheld in an appeals court. But i guess the supremely intelligent folks on this forum feel they know more about the situation than the mayor and courts of brussel.

Posted by: cerebate at September 11, 2007 7:05 PM

Aller a l'enfer, Thielemans. (Go to hell). With the rest of the Mohammedans.

Posted by: darcy at September 11, 2007 7:06 PM

lmao @ "illegal protest".
Well, that settles the issue, doesn't it.
It's perfectly ok for mOslems to riot, murder, burn & pillage, yetcall it a "protest",
just not for NON-mOslems to simply protest, period .
Well, it doesn't get any more clear-cut than that!
taqqiyah & dhimmitude at it's finest!
lol

Posted by: jcom972 at September 11, 2007 7:10 PM

http://www.vlaamsbelang.be/0/3682

click on the TV

this is direct but it may not work long-

http://www.vlaamsbelang.be/files/islammanifestatie.wmv

The police arresting the demonstrators that they couldn't protect.

Posted by: Borg at September 11, 2007 7:11 PM

To our American friends ; please do not think that the ordinary people of Europe dislike President Bush or the American people . Certain sections of the French , Belgians and Germans are anti-American and anti-British, but the root cause is jealousy . They all had colonies and empires but lost them , so they are bitter that their power has faded .
America is a great power and Britain gave away her Empire but gained a Commonwealth , this is the reason for some of Europe's anti-American and anti-British feeling .
A lot of the smaller , more eastern European countries are very much your allies and friends .
God Bless America .

Posted by: thedoc at September 11, 2007 7:11 PM

Thank God for the First Amendment. Europe may be doomed without it and because of the plentiful numbers of ignoramuses like Terry Davis, who label as bigots those concerned to resist Muslim plans for Islamic law in Europe.

Posted by: traeh at September 11, 2007 7:12 PM

Red Ken Livingston, the commie mayor of Londonistan, Freddy Thielemans, the commie mayor of Brussels, Jack (the burka) Straw, George (georgeous) Galloway, -to name just a few- are all whores for the caliphate and fully in cahoots with the Muhammedans.

While the indigenous Europeans vote with their feet and leave by the thousands each month, these commie/muslim whores are systematically replenishing/replacing their voter-base with a Muhammedan proletariat.

Treason of course. Unspeakable madness. This has been going on for a long time. It cannot be reversed by being nice and politically correct.

Civil war is just around the corner folks, its only a matter of time.

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at September 11, 2007 7:18 PM

cerebate, you profess loyalty to the law, and that's good, but how would you feel about living under Islamic law?

Posted by: traeh at September 11, 2007 7:22 PM

Europe, like the Tarantula, is at that point where it can still fight back, but most likely won't. And the Islamic Wasp knows it won't. The only thing left if the mounting and deadly sting. Posted by rational

This is tragically beautiful and poetic, rational, but also tragically true for Europe. They are sliding back into serfdom and slavery and not care, so sad. It seems they have not learned from their tragic history of wars, Communism, Nazism, and religious persecutions of the past, so now must repeat the lesson all over again. The Islamists will teach them, the hard way. This pathetic little demonstration against Islamification of Europe was treated with injustice by their bureaucratic small minded politicians, using excessive force with police and water canons.

They are so frightened of another war they are sure to precipitate one, this one worse than all the others. Europeans will not return to slavery kindly, and in the end it will be their children and grandchildren that will demand blood. That too will be poetically tragic, but that is what shortsightedness in the present will condemn to a future riddles with burkas and sharia, which is sure to bring about oppression, poverty and war. This is the gift of Muhammud's Allah in all islamic states. Injustice, human suffering, and slavery is their evil lot, while pulling the yoke of Shaitan's Allah.

Posted by: Battle_of_Tours at September 11, 2007 7:27 PM

I was there today, in Brussels, on Place du Luxembourg, and this was quite a depressing experience indeed.

Report of what I witnessed can be found on my blog (both in French and English): http://tinylink.com/?zNny8MBLfS

(I could copy and paste my text here, but it is quite long for a "comment"!)

Posted by: pistache at September 11, 2007 7:33 PM

Note: The IHT speaks of a 100 cops, but some of the (French speaking) Belgian TV news reported than about a 1000 men were mobilized. I don't know which number is true, but from what I've seen only on Place du Luxembourg and Luxemburg station, I'm pretty sure there were more than a hundred!!!

Posted by: pistache at September 11, 2007 7:36 PM

"No one is above the law,not the jihadist's ,nor the right wingers."
-cerebate

How's the gourmet in that cave you've been living it? European Governments are bending over backwards to establish and foster a separate code of conduct toward Muslim criminal behavior. Whether it's "no go zones" in Paris or turning a disinterested eye from the rape epidemic in Sweden. This ongoing dualistic justice system is just one of the myriad of reasons why this "illegal"(gee,wonder why that was again when Muslims can march and call for infidel death to no end?)protest and others like it take place. It's the attitudes and atmospherics of this belief system and it's encroachment into western societies, which should be of the greatest concern to those who wish to bequest a world free of this crap to their children. I pray you would be such a person,but an unwarranted backhanded slap toward the variety of posters here does not represent you well. Or maybe it just might....

Posted by: We need G.C. Scott at September 11, 2007 7:39 PM

Sebastien and other posters here who went to Brussels - we eagerly await your first-hand accounts. (I was thinking of you, and praying most fervently).

Time to test this one.

Besides 9/11 there are many other suitable anniversaries that could serve as an occasion for dignified, intelligent and creative protest and teach-ins.

Can not some non-dhimmi Spaniards, and their supporters in other parts of the world, not organise something suitable on the anniversary of the Madrid train bombing?

Can not non-dhimmi Londoners start organising something BIG - and BEAUTIFUL - now, to come to fruition on the anniversary of the London underground & bus bombings, in July next year? Maybe Bishop Sookhdeo and those clergy he knows who are 'clued up', could organise a Requiem Mass for the victims, at one of London's many historically significant and beautiful churches; in conjunction with a series of no-holds-barred Information Sessions on Islam, open to the general public.

Canadians might care to demonstrate - and to celebrate Infidel Government - on the anniversary of the day on which their police foiled a Muslim plot to attack the Canadian parliament and behead the PM. Quebecois, Inuit, Ojibwe and other First Nations - remember, YOUR political systems, laws and traditions, your music, stories, dances and songs, are just a much of a kafir abomination, in the eyes of Islam, as those of the Canuck.

As for us 'down under': sheikyermami, gramfan, if something suitable - We Will Not Submit; No to Sharia; No to the Jizya; No Jihad Here!; Freedom of Religion, Freedom of Speech; NO to Muslim Hounding of 'Apostates' and 'Blasphemers' - was to be organised for every capital city in Australia on the anniversary of the Bali bombing, I would most certainly attend the one nearest to my home.

Other possible dates - the anniversary of the Fall of Constantinople; the anniversary of the final victory in the Spanish Reconquista; the anniversary of the lifting of the siege of Malta in 1565, and of the victory at Lepanto in 1571

On All Saints Day, let's honour the Saints and Martyrs who have suffered and died at the hands of Islam - e.g. Ramon Lull, Charles de Foucauld, and thousands of unknown ex-Muslims who converted to Christianity and were promptly murdered by Muslims.

On All Souls Day, let us remember ALL the victims of Jihad, not just the Christians but the Jews, African animists, Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus, Zoroastrians, everyone, all 'the tears of jihad'.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at September 11, 2007 7:46 PM

LOL

I completely agree with gymgal on your post rational, but if I may be so bold as to add one or two salient points which might serve to enhance your near perfect analogy.

From a strictly entomological perspective of course, Pepsis formosa and the lesser Pepsis thisbe (Tarantula Hawk) doesn't actually kill the spider outright. Not immediately or directly at least. Its' sting merely paralyzes the tarantula indefinitely, leaving it incapacitated and without the physical resources necessary to protect itself from the impending parasitic atrocity to which it will soon be subjected. It begins with Pepsis laying a single egg on the host spider. This emerging larva subsequently treats its' unwitting new host as a living nursery of sorts. Feeding slowly at first on non-vital external tissue, keeping the spider alive as long as possible while the grub - so to speak - grows in size and strength. When it reaches critical mass and is no longer able to sustain itself on a meagre diet of non-vital tissue, it suddenly moves on to the thorax. Tearing a lethal hole at the heart of the spider where it enters and then quickly, violently, and ravenously digests what remains.

In short, it's the offspring which ultimately kills the spider, by consuming it from within.

Coincidentally Tarantula Hawks are also extremely territorial, generally prefer to attack their victims within their own burrows, and the males of the species display a distinct preference for mating with newly emerged virgin females.

Remind you of anyone in particular? M.

Posted by: taquiyasundown at September 11, 2007 7:47 PM

Ferdy - I didn't see your link and duplicated your post. Good photos.

Posted by: Borg at September 11, 2007 7:49 PM

pistache -- I went to your site and scrolled down to the English version of your report on the demo. Thanks, it was very interesting.

Posted by: traeh at September 11, 2007 7:53 PM

The protestors need to watch a few real demonstrations to learn their tricks. Like making very large easy to read signs. In more than one language. Those small papers that they held couldn't be read. And the one large sign was so light and written in small letters that even behind the TV reporter it couldn't be seen to be read.

Posted by: Borg at September 11, 2007 7:56 PM

The Pampered Generation does not want to be bothered by protests, debate or illustrations of how their freedom is being chiseled from them day by day. Their Vanity Fair cannot be interrupted by barbaric, religious tyrants seeking to implement a system that will totally capsize the ideals that their ancestors so bravely fought and died for.The Coward Generation has more concern with new cars, the latest cell phones, shoes, hairdos, massive mini palaces that they cannot afford so when the bullies come to subjugate them they will have no clue, but will lie down with their tails beneath their legs in surrender.

Hopefully, some of the young, reading in the light of their imprisonment, will come upon sites such as this one and will remember the gun shots from those who were labelled "Right Wing" or criminal as they sought to awake their comrades and preserve their precious freedom. The fury of these youth will be acting out of anger, unfortunately, and not intellectual inspiration because the spineless ruling politocos and the religiously lame denied them the pulpit of expression and an unrestricted path to the truth.

Posted by: Briars at September 11, 2007 8:03 PM

traeh
I do not wish to be under any religious law including (and not limited to Islam). My turn
"How do you feel about people who violate the law? Does the answer depend on whether you agree with their cause?"

Posted by: cerebate at September 11, 2007 8:10 PM

G.C Scott
"How's the gourmet in that cave you've been living it"
Your confusing me with osama.
Let me say I've seen first hand a radical cleric in UK , preaching hatred , violence and murder on BBC television, and I wonder what the heck is wrong with these people, why dont they ban him or put him in jail.

So if you'll are trying to say , ban people or imprison people who spread hatred, go ahead Im right with you.
If on the other hand you'll are trying to say , we know better than the elected law, even if the protest was banned, these guys should go ahead and they should've have been allowed to do so because we agree with their views, then the "unwarranted backhanded slap" was well deserved.
which is it?

Posted by: cerebate at September 11, 2007 8:16 PM

They'd be afraid to ban a Muslim demonstration, as opposed to harmless Westerners.
It's a lot safer to be multi-culti than to take a stand.

Posted by: jewdog at September 11, 2007 8:17 PM

no uprising. no understanding. the encroachment of islam will continue, with politicians pandering to the muslims, and non-muslims becoming demoralized and seeking a private life that is as unaffected by the disaster as possible.

Posted by: StillBreathing

Unfortunately, this is the pathetic truth, many corpses will be needed as evidence that one cannot ultimately be unaffected by Islamic supremacism.

Posted by: Briars at September 11, 2007 8:33 PM

These are the very same Eurolefties who like to bash Israel for use of "excessive force" in defending the lives of its citizens against the murderous Islamic terrorists. These Eurolefties have no qualms about using excessive force against their own countrymen excercising their right of free speech. HYPOCRITES!

Posted by: usapatriot at September 11, 2007 8:38 PM

Well what if the law supports the implement of Sharia law tomorrow? The "law" is subject to revision via the will of the people. It's not a question of "agreeing with views" or being fashionable,but a question of survival. Should the will of those who see their cultures being replaced continue to be neglected,civil chaos shall ensue. That's just plain causality,action/reaction.

As for that backhanded slap comment you know what I refer to ,but to spell it out:

"But I guess the supremely intelligent folks on this forum feel they know more about the situation than the mayor and courts of brussel."

Like I said,completely unwarranted.

Oh,and regarding that radical cleric you saw on TV, refer back to my last post if you really can't figure out why they "don't ban him or put him in jail?"

Posted by: We need G.C. Scott at September 11, 2007 8:47 PM

???? Cerebate?

So, you are saying, that if the law says this, then the law because its elected should be obeyed?

So if the law says, sell your daughter at six, are you going to Do it?

Jesus, no Wonder fascism takes off like it does...I strongly suggest you read Paine,

because if history went by that then we'd all be under Hitler, or under monarchy, freedom wasn't 'given' to law obeyers,

it was fought for

by

REVOLUTIONARIES.

and thats what Europe needs, some FREEDOM REVOLUTIONARIES...

thats right, FREEDOM FIGHTERS [but see I'm one of those from the far left--not the 'Sick left we see today however, not sure What the hell is wrong with the left today, its not the left I learned and read about but'

that aside...200 is a start,

the revolution in Russia started with less than 200, in the beginning,

Brussels is not a huge place, and 200 is better than 10. But take some pointers from use to be leftist protester, [I use to go to protests all the time], use Every chance to protest, not just one protest. The rape cases in Sweden, use them, sometimes you have to get down right nasty to get people's attention,

next time there is rape case in Sweden [Muslim related], if you live in Sweden, then use the 'reverse psyche', give them what they want...when the women complain, tell them to shut the hell up, they wanted it, so deal with it,

seriously I say this because trying to convince people of what will come often doesn't work so sometimes you have to use a case to throw it back at them,

it pisses people off but you know sometimes it takes getting pissed off to wake the hell up. Sometimes it takes such radical and offensive action to slap people out of their stupor, as a feminist I've often used this strategy and let me tell you,

it works. You know it works because the post colonial jerks and Muslim apologists are the first to come up with their so called its not Islam but culture defense kaka,

you know thats whats needed too, taking Sweden for example because Sweden is the one country that socialists use as a model example of why socialism is utopia--its not good enough to say rapes, rise in rapes,

give cases with names [of perps] and list them, big on posters, online, it would take some research [through archives and old papers] but thats what it might take,

and then, the next court case [example] PROTEST, PROTEST WITH POSTERS THAT SAY, 'WHY PROSECUTE, THIS IS WHAT YOU WANTED, THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE IN BED WITH, THIS IS WHAT GOV OFFICIAL SO AND SO SAYS IS TOLERABLE',

is it right to the victim, NO, and that aspect of it yes, does Suck,

but you know, if you are going to fight for freedom then damnit,

people are going to have to get down and dirty...there is no fair fighting with these Islamists,

as far as obeying law, any law that says I have to be compliant with Islam or Islamists apologists,

well, guess I still got that leftist in me, that anarchist anti-capitalist and to laws I say,

TO HELL WITH YOU.

I wish I could have been in Brussels today,

I WOULD HAVE BEEN PROUD TO BE ARRESTED AND I WOULD HAVE BEEN SMILING ALL THE WAY WITH MY LARGE PRO-WOMAN'S RIGHTS POSTER AND ANTI-ISLAM POSTER, to all 200 OF YOU,

WAY TO GO, WAY TO GO, WAY TO GO....FREEDOM FIGHTERS, ANTI-ISLAM INTIFADA,

a BIG OLE FREEDOM SMILE.

we need brave fighters in this war and IT IS A WAR,

and its Only just begun.

Tasha

Posted by: Natasha at September 11, 2007 8:56 PM

"Well what if the law supports the implement of Sharia law tomorrow"
Hypothetical, Strawman argument. Brussels Belgium is a non sharia law and these people were in violation of it.
Oh i know what the backhanded comment was. I say well deserved, because the armchair critics of this forum feel they know more than the people responsible for the law and order is belgium.

"Oh,and regarding that radical cleric you saw on TV, refer back to my last post "
Incidentally i left out that, after two three such incidents he was arrested. Now what do you say?

Posted by: cerebate at September 11, 2007 8:58 PM

The video shows it all. Disgusting. People trying to exercise their right to free speech being mauled by cops in the home of EU. It may actually be good in the end, because you could not better illustrate the sickness that has overcome European governments. Hopefully, the "people" will get it.

Here in America, we all have an opportunity to get out and protest and have our voices heard this October. Coming to a college campus near you:

http://www.terrorismawareness.org/islamo-fascism/49/a-students-guide-to-hosting-islamo-fascism-awareness-week/

Ironically, conservatives and patriots are not quite used to the idea of a protest. But now we are seeing that the tide has turned in the direction of the fascists in Europe, and is marching here. We need to get out, support one another, and establish a movement. The next one will be bigger, and the next bigger still. This is just the beginning, and it is time to get off the computer and get on the street.

Posted by: JohnAdams at September 11, 2007 9:01 PM

It makes me sick to see some of these idiotic anti-Christian posts on 9-11. For all of you religion haters, and moral relativists, there are other sites for you..

Why do you people think that Paris burned >30 days last year? That's right, burning was preferable to what could have been happening. The muslims have trained their hosts well. Perpetually outraged and offended, predictably violent.

The Brussels police would never cuff a muslim or wrestle him to the ground...their city would burn to the ground. They did what they did to those protesters today because they COULD, and they did it with impunity.

Posted by: CapitalistGig at September 11, 2007 9:09 PM

Traeh said
"Is it true that a majority-Muslim city council in Brussels is beginning the end of the right of people peaceably to assemble and petition for a redress of grievances?
Is this just another of many beginnings of the end of the Western approach to human rights in Europe?"
- - - - -

Under the EU there are 4 freedoms, but I'm not sure freedom of speech, freedom of the press, or freedom to assemble are among them...

Article 4 of the Constitutional Treaty of the EU guarantees "the free movement of persons, services, goods and capital" between the Member States of the EU.

see
http://ec.europa.eu/justice_home/fsj/freetravel/fsj_freetravel_intro_en.htm

Note that
"The right to free movement means that every EU citizen is entitled to travel freely around the Member States of the European Union, and settle anywhere within its territory. No special formalities are required to enter an EU country. This fundamental right extends to members of the EU citizen's family, and applies regardless of their situation or the reason for travel or residence." Is that why Islamicists can infest any country?

After further research, I found a reference to "freedom of assembly and association" at the following link:

see
http://europa.eu/scadplus/leg/en/lvb/l33501.htm
where it talks (Chapter II) about
"...freedom of thought, conscience and religion, freedom of expression and information, freedom of assembly and association, freedom of the arts and sciences..." However, while these freedoms are mentioned in the document, I'm not seeing much of them IN PRACTICE in the EU. Freedom of speech is tempered by freedom from hate speech (aka criticism or mockery). Seems that the "freedom from being made uncomfortable by another's speech, writing or actions" trumps everybody else's rights to think, speak, publish, and assemble.

Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse at September 11, 2007 9:09 PM

the british national party are brothers with the Vlaams Belang party. thank god jihad watch has finally seen the light!!!!!

the right wing parties of europe will be the ones to save us.

thank god they were today on the front lines whilst sadly many of you put us down and slandered the right wing parties of europe.

the BNP, Vlaams Belang and Le Pen's nationalists are the only one's brave enough to make a stand.

support them!!! stand with us!!!

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at September 11, 2007 9:10 PM

This problem in Europe is way worse than I thought because the patriotic Brits, Germans, French etc. not only have their own dhimmi politicans to deal with, they also have the whole EU legal web to deconstruct. The jackboot Mohammedan thugs will use or disregard those laws with impunity as they see fit, and the only force that will stop them will be the fist and the gun. God bless you all. We may as well start calling it World War III right now--and once again, it starts in Europe.

Posted by: JohnAdams at September 11, 2007 9:19 PM

Kabinet.Bgm.Thielemans@brucity.be

email the mayor of brussels, tell him what you think of him and his storm troopers.

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at September 11, 2007 9:25 PM

thank god jihad watch has finally seen the light!!!!! - leonthepigfarmer

Nothing has changed. Jihad Watch does not support the BNP. Or any party. We support the right of peaceful assembly and free speech, especially where it is challenged by jihadists, their supporters, sympathizers, and passive enablers.

Posted by: MarisolJW at September 11, 2007 9:26 PM

JohnAdams

email that mayor, i just did, told him he will get criminal charges brought against him once the right wing governments take back europe.

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at September 11, 2007 9:28 PM

ooogle "Terry Davis, The Evil and Stupid Secretary General of the Council of Europe" for the statement.

Posted by: Hugh at September 11, 2007 9:33 PM

"europe: your 9/11 is coming"
Is allowed

"Stop the Sharia law"
is not allowed.

Am I missing something, or is this just plain double-standard?

Posted by: Dr.CancerMan at September 11, 2007 9:34 PM

Leon:
I will email that criminal mayor and Brussels newspapers. Gotta believe you can find like-thinkers at some of those English football matches?

Cancer Man:
"Double-standard" is far too pleasant. Cowardice and Dereliction of Duty is more like it.

Posted by: JohnAdams at September 11, 2007 9:42 PM

"So if youll are trying to say....
"If youll are trying to say...."
-hypothetical interrogatory intros by cerebate

Hence, my "hypothetical" response scenario

Now what do I say?

I say myself and other "armchair critics" have a right to question the wisdom of Belgian legal interpretations. Since when has this been verboten?
Plus I've got the best teacher on the planet, experience, with Saddam's Republican Guard and exposure to not only the militaristic,but dis-informational tactics as well. Readily identifiable. Please feel free to stick around. Our mutual education would be invaluable.

Projection,Deception,Victimization,Infiltration

Posted by: We need G.C. Scott at September 11, 2007 9:51 PM

Celebrate,

I have a few questions here. Who was the threat to civil order here? Certainly you do not refer to SIOE do you? If the answer is that it wasn’t SIOE then the natural follow up question is. Since when do you law abiding Europeans let fascists threaten free speech and free assembly? If you believe that the threat was not the SIOE will you admit you were wrong? By the way we are angry here due to the fact that we are witnessing your rights dissolve in Europe right before our eyes. The arrogance of the left has left me speechless in this regard. You honestly believe somehow your rights and social ascendancy are guaranteed … even in the face of all the demographic information available, even in the face of what the Islamists say about what they will do, and how they will do it. Truly incredible times we are facing! Time to wake up my friend the enemy is not SIOE, and the freedom of your grandchildren is NOT certain.

Posted by: Ameriki at September 11, 2007 10:01 PM

marisol

then don't mention any democratic nationalist parties on jihad watch.

leon

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at September 11, 2007 10:04 PM

Scott with the 3-pointer from the top of the key!

Now this commercial break for Chunky Peanut Butter.

Posted by: kafir world at September 11, 2007 10:07 PM

johnadams

"Gotta believe you can find like-thinkers at some of those English football matches?"

have you read bill buford, "among the thugs"? an american journalist becomes friends with football hooligans and writes about them for years.

the soccer hooligans care nothing for politics. they can wreak cities, literally, in their THOUSANDS, yet all their anger is aimed at hte opposing teams and the opposing teams city.

they are nothing but violent, mindless thugs. no direction (we have tried) all they want to do is watch football, and kill the other side.

football hooliganism has been around since the late 19th century.

they are a waste of space.

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at September 11, 2007 10:10 PM

marisol

then are you please that Vlaams Belang party members were arrested?

i'm confused.

why have this post if you are not supporting any right wing party.

if churchill was around today with his same views on immigration and islam would you also be telling him he was not supported by jihadwatch?

the BNP have exactly the same idealology as Sir Winston Churchill, this is an undisputed fact!

leon

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at September 11, 2007 10:16 PM

in the words of sir winston churchill

The prime minister began the discussion, saying: "Problems wh. will arise if many coloured people settle here. Are we to saddle ourselves with colour problems in UK? Attracted by Welfare State. Public opinion in UK won't tolerate it once it gets beyond certain limits."

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/politicspast/story/0,,2142476,00.html

these are the words of churchill.

the greatest leader the west has known for a thousand years.

and now call me racist!

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at September 11, 2007 10:19 PM

but, marisol

i have made my point, the same way that members of europe's people today made their point but were beaten down by the militias of marxism.

this is a really sore topic for me, european nationalism and free speech. today both were torn down. this has been a really stressful day for me and for all of us.

i wouldnt be posting here if it wasnt for 9/11.

thanks marisol

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at September 11, 2007 10:24 PM

A weak showing.

Europeans seem to prefer the same massive denial that brought on the Nazi menace.

I suggest that we let them handle their new Muslo-folly themselves.

They didn't learn from being helped by the U.S. twice.

They need to save their own behinds this time.

Posted by: profitsbeard at September 11, 2007 10:35 PM

"Brussels Belgium is a non sharia law and these people were in violation of it.'

Lets cut throught the bullshit shall we,

here you say Belgium the ones in power know whats best, yada yada yada,

Oh Really,

well if Europe is such non-sharia law, then please explain to us why the fn' hell [I'm not civil nor nice, when it comes to Sharia and the b.s. pandering apologists] then,

honour killings are tolerated, fgms are tolerated, and are increasing? Oh, because politicians know how to keep order,

YOU MEAN THE STATUS QUO?

to HELL with the status quo, to hell with p.c., to hell with tolerance when its blatant abuses of human rights, women's rights, and children's rights,

you have sorry ass political Islamists all over Europe in the streets with their full face sheets [which in my opinion, THEY SHOULD BE ARRESTED] and their denying the Holocaust, one doesn't have to like the actions of Israel, to know that History doesn't lie,

not only that, its a fricking INSULT to the commies, gays, gypsies and many other 'anti-Hitler/Nazi' and CHILDREN, who were killed in those camps,

let some Muslim or anyone deny the Holocaust to my face, I'll knock the living crap out of them, and no, I'm not Jewish. That in my book, is THE OUTRAGE,

how European governments are ALLOWING THESE THUGS, THESE BARBARIC THUGS TO PUSH THEIR LUDICROUS MEDIEVAL THE WORLD IS FLAT THEOCRACY

and SHOVING IT LITERALLY DOWN THE CITIZENS THROATS...

when GOVERNMENTS TURN THEIR BACK ON THE CONSITUTIONS OF THE COUNTRIES, THEY DON'T

DESERVE THE RESPECT OR THE COMPLIANCE OF THE PEOPLE,

ITS THAT TIME, WHEN PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT--TO OVERTHROW THE CORRUPT OLIGARCHIES,

and what you have in Europe today [and in US though its more subtle here] is Oligarchy,

in bed with DESPOSTISM,

I don't concur with the extreme right wing or the racial puritists, by no means, but I DAMN SURE stand on the rights of people who demand respect for their country--

if Westerners were to go to ANY ISLAMIST country and pull the Shit that Muslims are pulling in the west,

they'd be hanged, and not one apologist pandering COWARD would even flinch to raise protest,

when you see Muslims in Britain, demanding Sharia, who the HELL DO THEY THINK THEY ARE,

when you see Muslims DELIBERATELY FLAUNTING THEIR TOTAL AND BLATANT DISREGARD FOR A NATION'S LAWS,

ABUSING AND USING THE NATION'S SYSTEMS,

AND THE GOVERNMENTS PROTECTING THAT SHIT,

NO, THEN THE PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO DO FAR MORE THAN PROTEST...

ITS BETRAYAL, ITS GOVERNMENT BETRAYAL, ELECTED OR NOMINATED OFFICIALS BE IT REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY OR

PARLIAMENTARY,

AND WHEN THE GOVERNMENT BETRAYS, THE PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT,

TO DISOBEY, TO PROTEST, AND TO USE ANY MEANS POSSIBLE,

TO GET RID OF THE TRAITORS,

GOVERNMENT FOR THE PEOPLE,

IF YOU LIKE OR ARE THAT TOLERANT AND APOLOGETIC TO TOTALITARIANISM, FASCISM [BE IT RIGHT OR LEFT]

MAY I SUGGEST, GO LIVE UNDER IT FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS.

What we are seeing in the world today is far worse than STALINISM,

its a CULT OF PERSONALITY that has people so duped and so afraid, that they ARE POLICING THEMSELVES OF

CRITICAL THOUGHT.

that should scare the Hell out of you...a hell of a lot more than protesters,

it reminds me of the thinking of "better red than dead" well that was easy for those living under somewhat relative freedom to pronounce such nonsense,

it was a far different cry for those, who dared not even make a joke against Stalin, or a Soviet official because dare one who heard, not turn that person in,

it could be, a set up, that if you didn't turn the person in, you might be arrested, THATS HOW TOTALITARIANISM WORKS,

THE PEOPLE IN IRAN RIGHT NOW, TODAY, ARE GOING TO JAIL IN THE THOUSANDS, SUFFERING TORTURE YOU COULDN'T EVEN IMAGINE,

JUST FOR THE RIGHT TO BREATHE, LIVING UNDER A REGIME THAT IS SHEER LIVING HELL,

AND THATS WHAT MUSLIMS WANT TO PUSH AND FORCE IN BRUSSELS, IN UK, IN SCOTLAND, IN AMERICA, IN ASIA,

PROTEST--SHIT,

PROTEST IS TOO NICE, WE AREN'T TALKING HERE ABOUT PEOPLE WANTING LAWS ABOUT THE WAY ONE DRIVES,

WE'RE TALKING HERE ABOUT GOVERNMENTS TOLERATING AND EVEN ALLOWING, ACCOMODATING SOME OF THE WORST HUMAN RIGHT ABUSES THERE IS, FOR THE SAKE OF

CAPITALISM/FREE TRADE AND GOOD PR RELATIONS WITH DESPOSTIC THUG REGIMES,

AT THE EXPENSE OF YOU, ME, THE WORLD.

TO HELL WITH THOSE GOVERNMENTS, IF THE PEOPLE RISE UP AGAINST THEM,

I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO SYMPATHY FOR THE GOVERNMENTS, MY SYMPATHY AND SUPPORT, IS WITH THE PEOPLE,

FIGHTING THE WORST FORM OF HELLISH TOTALITARIANISM AND FASCISM THE MODERN WORLD HAS SEEN TODAY.

Tasha

Posted by: Natasha at September 11, 2007 10:47 PM

One more thing,

WHAT WE NEED IN THE WORLD TODAY, IS PEOPLE WITH THE BALLS,

to STAND UP AND DECLARE,

HOLY WAR BACK.

AND MEAN IT.

independent Lefist, former Socialist who still believes in Marxist economics,

who will Dare say, Socialists in Europe -- YOU SHOULD BE SHOT.

Traitors to Marx, to the Prolitariat, to Freedom, to Women's Rights, to every thing Marx and Engels and Luxemburg/Lenin stood for--

Tasha

People of the World UNITE--AGAINST THEOCRATIC FASCIST ISLAM.

Posted by: Natasha at September 11, 2007 10:56 PM

Here's another blogger that was at the protest and took pictures.

http://bullseyeonimmigration.blogspot.com/2007/09/brussels-sept-11-protest.html

Posted by: Borg at September 11, 2007 11:28 PM

Those photos show more police and gear than I have ever seen in photos of any protest.

Posted by: Borg at September 11, 2007 11:31 PM

To all in the JW community,

Don't buy into cerebate's mantra, for I deem him disingenuous. He is at best an atheist, another scooternyc, or worse an Islamic apologist, or at the worst, an Islamist posing as something else.

I visited the site, at Eagle's behest, a couple of days ago, and saw how elric66 was treated there. I was not impressed. Eagle, the site host, whom I believe has good intentions, has been corraled by those of less unsavory character, like cerebate.

Judge for yourself.

http://eaglespearlsofwisdom.wordpress.com/2007/08/31/what-is-a-bigot-and-how-does-it-apply-to-the-subject-at-hand/#comment-386

Posted by: awake at September 11, 2007 11:46 PM

Natasha, it's not capitalism. It's socialism.

Throughout the 20th century, socialist and communist governments have wreaked more havoc and created more misery than any other governments in Europe in the previous 19 centuries.

Union of Soviet Socialist Republic.

National Socialist German Work Party (NAZI).

Don't let the Lefties confuse you. Socialism is the root of political evil.

Posted by: atheling at September 11, 2007 11:47 PM

football hooliganism has been around since the late 19th century.

they are a waste of space.

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at September 11, 2007 10:10 PM

Disagreed, leon.

Ask Dhiren Barot, that is, if he can still speak.

PS Lay off Marisol. She is doing her duty for this site. I have seen you here awhile, longer than me probably. Don't let your personal beef with Matamoros distract you from your valueable purpose here, nor does it relieve you of your duty here either.

Regards.

Posted by: awake at September 11, 2007 11:59 PM

More photos.

http://galleri.tv2.dk/index.php/category-Nyhederne/id-8362270/page-1.html

Posted by: Borg at September 12, 2007 12:13 AM

The west needs laws to make it a crime to be involved in any action construed as jihad related. Including intercourse .

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at September 12, 2007 12:17 AM

Borg says

"The reason given for not allowing the protest was that they couldn't guarantee the safety of the protestors."

Such protection is never required for Muslims, who openly and legally (?) press their intolerant, genocidal message with impunity in their demonstrations in free countries. They are *never molested* during these hateful displays.

These facts clearly indicate the inspiration for the fear. Sooner or later that fear will turn into something else.

Posted by: lycaste at September 12, 2007 12:18 AM

Borg:

Thanks for the link.

Oh. My. God.

The picture of them grabbing that poor man's balls.

Posted by: atheling at September 12, 2007 12:29 AM

The people challenged and disobeyed authority, and authority reacted the way it always does, with a club, and a gun, and a grab between the legs.
I know that it was in Belgium, but it seems like home to me...

Pez...I don't pay for gold. I get it for free..I have a dredge and mine it from local rivers.
About 1/2 oz average for a six our day. Hard work and sort of dangerous, but worth the effort.

Posted by: duh_swami at September 12, 2007 1:00 AM

"WHAT WE NEED IN THE WORLD TODAY, IS PEOPLE WITH THE BALLS,

to STAND UP AND DECLARE,

HOLY WAR BACK.

AND MEAN IT."

Wrong way, Natasha, then you're fighting on their terms. This is NOT a religious war, it is a war of civilized human conduct under rule of law against primitive barbaric religious fundamentalist extremists who demand respect but have done nothing to earn it.

The battle is intellectual first, then legal, then military, to uproot and discredit these ignorant sows of Islamic funamentalism. Free women from serfdom to men, educate their brainwashed masses that the West is NOT the enemy as they are told, and give freedom a chance in those slaveholding societies. Then we can lick this. To make it into a 'holy war' is the absolutely wrong way to go. There is no religious angle to this war, but the confirmation that our values of freedom are superior to their values of slavery. Their islamic religious spin is pure lies.

Posted by: Battle_of_Tours at September 12, 2007 1:25 AM

atheling-

And from the video he wasn't even doing anthing. There were more media people there than anyone else. So where's the news coverage?

Their next protest should just be all residents agree to put a large sign in their windows - poster size. Not in the street at all. Unless they are afraid that they might get their houses torched.

Posted by: Borg at September 12, 2007 1:31 AM

Looks like freedom of