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On the sixth anniversary of the September 11 attacks, an unsurprising but no less appalling report on how much the Saudis haven't done to cut off funds to jihad groups.
"U.S.: Saudis Still Filling Al Qaeda's Coffers," by Brian Ross for ABC News' The Blotter:
Despite six years of promises, U.S. officials say Saudi Arabia continues to look the other way at wealthy individuals identified as sending millions of dollars to al Qaeda.
"If I could somehow snap my fingers and cut off the funding from one country, it would be Saudi Arabia," Stuart Levey, the under secretary of the Treasury in charge of tracking terror financing, told ABC News.
Despite some efforts as a U.S. ally in the war on terror, Levey says Saudi Arabia has dropped the ball. Not one person identified by the United States and the United Nations as a terror financier has been prosecuted by the Saudis, Levey says.
"When the evidence is clear that these individuals have funded terrorist organizations, and knowingly done so, then that should be prosecuted and treated as real terrorism because it is," Levey says.
Among those on the donor list, according to U.S. officials, is Yasin al Qadi, a wealthy businessman named on both the U.S. and U.N. lists of al Qaeda financiers one month after the 9/11 attacks.
Al Qadi, who has repeatedly denied the allegations, remains free, still a prominent figure in Saudi Arabia.
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While the Saudi embassy had no comment regarding Levey's specific allegations, a spokesman did note that after the Sept. 11 attacks, the country took prompt action and "required Saudi banks to identify and freeze all assets relating to terrorist suspects and entities per the list issued by the United States government." The statement went on to say that "Saudi banks have complied with the freeze requirements and have initiated investigations of transactions that suspects linked to Al Qaeda may have undertaken in the past."
Speaking of "allies":
U.S. officials say they are equally frustrated with what they call the empty promises of Pakistan to go after al Qaeda's sanctuaries in their country.
Pakistan says it is willing to take action if the U.S. provides details.
"If they had specific information, they should share it with us, and we would go after them," Pakistani Ambassador to the U.N. Munir Akram told ABC News.
Or, the targeted camps might mysteriously disappear.
When asked whether the U.S. can trust his country, Ambassador Akram said, "Well, if the U.S. doesn’t trust Pakistan, how can Pakistan be an ally of the U.S.?"
A question echoed by many in the U.S.
Yes, indeed.
Posted by Marisol at September 11, 2007 7:37 PM
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at September 11, 2007 7:55 PM
We should rid ourselves of the Saudi junkie-habit. We can get by without their oil. We might have to suffer a bit, but average Americans have not suffered one iota in this war. Only the military families have. Time to cut the flow of American dollars that fund the Jihad all over the world! F*&k the Saudis. They will crackdown like maniacs if we pull their strings.
Posted by: JohnAdams at September 11, 2007 8:05 PM
We're making our sacrifice in Iraq so that Al Qaeda won't take over the country and threaten our Al Qaeda affiliated ally, Saudi Arabia.
Posted by: jewdog at September 11, 2007 8:06 PM
Tell the Saudis to leave our Booze and Whores alone and go HOME. Live in their own Sandbox and be thankful we don't Cruse Missile their Oil Fields.
By the way, we want the full use of that airbase we wuilt. We wouldn't want an accident with the Septic systems on our Aircraft over sensitive areas now would we.
Posted by: flowerknife_us at September 11, 2007 8:29 PM
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at September 11, 2007 8:34 PM
Interesting how the father of terror, Saudi Arabia, and mother, Pakistan, end up as US allies against terror. Kinda maks one wonder what is backwards here.. definition of 'ally' or 'terror' or both?
Then, again, coming from house of Bush, with failed businesses financed by Bin Laden, Bandar adopted in the family, how can the president not make Saudi Arabia an 'ally'? So what if Paul Johnson was beheaded by 'ally'? So what if Ameircan soldiers were killed and maimed by 'allies'? So what if Daniel Pearl was beheaded in 'ally'? So what if 'ally' harbors killers of over 3000 Americans? Oh.. why do I bother?
at September 11, 2007 8:44 PM
Alert - Realpolitick means that anti-terrorism often gets confused with protecting existing states, even ones that support terrorism. Thus, Saudi Arabia, basically an Al Qaeda look-alike, is an ally against terror because their friendship and the economic importance of it trumps moral considerations.
at September 11, 2007 8:58 PM
OT...and if I could post this on the Petraeus article I would, but it won't open for me.
I have a story to tell that all JW posters should read and keep in mind when we pontificate on whether or not we should be in Iraq or whether it's 'worth it' or where our troops should actually be deployed, or any of a myriad of discussions that go on here. Let us keep in mind that our troops are where they are, doing what they think is right and we should support them.
My ex-husband called me tonight from his car, travelling down the interstate from Indianapolis to Kentucky on business to tell me that he had just passed an underpass. And on the side of the road was a soldier, dressed in his army uniform, sitting in his wheelchair because he had lost both his legs, and holding an American flag. I told him he should go back and shake that soldier's hand and tell him thank you from both of us...in fact, I insisted. So what he did was get off at the next exit, buy a six pack of beer, and he did go back. He sat down with this soldier and asked if he could drink a beer with him and Bob, the soldier, said he would be pleased to. Then, he told his story. He said that he had signed up the day after 9/11, because when the terrorists flew those planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, it went against everything he, his mother and his father believed in and he HAD to go fight this threat to our way of life. He said he understood that many people are against the war but they have to understand that the men and women who are over there fighting BELIEVE IN what they are fighting for. My ex asked him if anyone else had stopped to talk to him and he said no, he had been there all day and this was the first person who had stopped. He said the highway patrol had stopped and expressed concern for his safety, saying he might be killed. And he told the officer, "I already died once, this is what keeps me alive."
When my ex asked him how many years he had been doing this he said he and his friend Calvin had done this for two years and this was the first time he had done it alone. He met Calvin at the VA Hospital in Indianapolis right after they were both injured in Iraq...Calvin had lost both legs and an arm. They were roommates and became best friends.
Calvin committed suicide this past July 4th. Bob figures he just couldn't take it anymore.
My ex stayed with him until his mother came to pick him up and take him home. Once they had loaded Bob back into the van, my ex told the mother, "You have an incredible son there". She said, "I know...Iknow".
Something to keep in mind on this day.
Posted by: mepeteart at September 11, 2007 9:11 PM
Excellent point JohnAdams!
"We should rid ourselves of the Saudi junkie-habit. We can get by without their oil. We might have to suffer a bit, but average Americans have not suffered one iota in this war."
This is so true. No war bonds. No rationing. No civil defense patrols. If this is a war we must all contribute. It is time John Q Public did his share.
at September 11, 2007 9:17 PM
Sawdi Arabia and Pakistan are the source of Jihad ideology yet are considered "friends". Would you consider someone a friend who holds a gin to your head?
Posted by: Briars at September 11, 2007 9:19 PM
I meant "gun to your head". Someone holding gin to my head I might consider a friend.
Posted by: Briars at September 11, 2007 9:21 PM
OT but can't help post this, today, 9/11.
Listen to Tom Tancredo name the enemy amd what he would do to keep USA safe(upper left hand corner): http://www.teamtancredo.com
How can America go wrong with this patriot?
Posted by: Alert at September 11, 2007 9:30 PM
During World War II the property of enemy aliens was seized by the government. The Jihad directed against us, as Infidels, and our legal and political institutions, and our very lives if we refuse to succumb to Islam, is largely funded by Saudi Arabia through its unmerited oil wealth. The Saudis have hundreds of billions of dollars in assets in this country. Not all of those assets are liquid. There is real estate, including all that is owned by Al-Saud family members and their corrupt courtiers, both residential and commercial. There are companies now owned by the Saudis and by the rich from Kuwait and, especially, the U.A.E. Start making those lists. Get them ready.
Saudi Arabia has cost us, through its funding of Bin Laden and such groups as Hizb ut Tahrir and Tablighi Jamaat, and of mosques and madrasas everywhere, and Muslim propaganda to be distributed n those mosques, a pretty penny. What was the total economic cost of the attack on 9/11/2007, which was almost entirely a Saudi operation? We need to get that money back. And a little more, for emotional distress.
We need to think, and plan, for seizing those assets, selling them, and giving the money to the government, and then giving all of us a little tax relief for all the expenses we have so patiently born because of Saudi Arabia.
There's plenty there that will be hard to get rid of at sudden -- or indeed any -- notice.
Wouldn't it be wonderful to be reimbursed, for all that the Muslim terrorists have cost us and other Infidels, by justifiably taking back what the Saudis and other rich Arabs never did a thing to deserve in the first place?
Posted by: Hugh at September 11, 2007 9:30 PM
Excellent read, mepeteart on September 11. Brought tears to my eyes, reminding me of the hostilities our nation faces and sacrifices made by brave Americans, defending it.
Thanks, mepeteart, for a touching story.
Posted by: Alert at September 11, 2007 9:38 PM
@ Alert - You're welcome. It brought tears to my eyes also...and my ex could barely tell me the story through his tears. And he's a Vietnam era Marine!
This is a story that should be told everywhere.
THIS is the difference between 'us' and 'them'.
Posted by: mepeteart at September 11, 2007 9:47 PM
The Sauds and the Pakistanis are no friend to anyone.
Hugh: I totally agree with you.
Their property in the US should be seized, and their country taken over.This article below is a "keeper".
http://www.westernresistance.com/blog/archives/003833.html
at September 11, 2007 10:08 PM
The enemy is the Ummah. It should not surprise anyone that Saudi Arabia, UAE, Pakistan and the rest cannot be trusted or called allies. In fact they are the enemy and no different from Iran in terms of their hostility to our way of life. Their money kills Americans. It was their money that killed our fellow American on 9-11. It is their money that kills our troops in Iraq. It is their money that murders Christians, Jews, Hindus, Atheist, and Buddhist all around the world. It is their money that cuts off the heads of Christian school girls in Indonesia and their money that slaughters Russian school children in Beslan.
Yet how did they obtain this great wealth? We in the West only need look in the mirror. Our need for their oil is why and is the only thing that we could possibly want from them. They cannot even get it out of the ground for themselves but need westerners to do it for them. They need the Westerners to refine for them. They need the American navy to get it to its destination un-molested. They need Westerners to protect their oil fields because they cannot do it for themselves. Yet when we ask for something that would seem so simple they refuse. They refuse to help catch the killers of our people. They refuse to help stem their money for Jihad. They refuse to treat others of different faiths as equals or even comprehend equality of women even within their own faith.
We respond by letting them in to our civilization. Hoping that maybe they will become westernized and some have. However it was not what we hoped. The ones who have become westernized ditched Islam or jihad aspects of the faith. Most continue to cling to Islam as the perfect faith that cannot and must not be changed. We respond by liberating them from their own self imposed depots and give them freedom but they create a nightmare out of it. They choose instead Sharia like in Iraq. So we spend more money and more lives to help these folks and all we get return is more wasted cash and more lost lives.
When will it get into those thick skulls that no amount money, no amount of appeasement, no amount of liberating (like in Iraq), no amount of kindness, no amount freedom will ever solve this problem. The only thing in the long term that will solve this problem is economic separation from the Islamic world and the use of military force not to rebuild or liberate but to crush any potential threats found within the Islamic world and to use our money not to protect Arabian sheiks but to divide the Islamic world and to help speed said world to its own self destruction. Iraq failed for the same reason that our supposed friendship with Saudi Arabia and Pakistan failed….
Islam.
P.S. Sorry for the multiple posts on a tread from yesterday. I just became aware of it and my rush to post it was my downfall (sort of like Iraq). Oh well even the best of ideas can go bad.
at September 11, 2007 10:41 PM
Yes, we must destroy Saudi Arabia, however this can not be done militarily because it will just cause blowback. To destroy the Saudis we must find an alternative for oil. This is what the fool GW Bush should have done with the Trillion dollars spent on the Iraq war. Don't fight Islamic countries directly, destroy the foundations of their economies which is oil.
There is a company which may have developed a ultra capacitor. http://blogs.spectrum.ieee.org/tech_talk/2007/09/a_new_ultracapacitor_or_just_m.html
If we could find such an alternative to the combustion engine, we could enter a war time conversion of all our vehicles and infrastructure to this new technology. If it is not this, then something else.
Without their oil money, the Saudis will have to sell off their assets to protect their kingdom from internal strife.
If we want to be very Machiavellian, we'll let the Shiites and Sunnis war with each other and suck up their own economic resources. Dumping oil, combined with dividing them would soon see Islamic culture become an oxymoron.
Its time to think Cold War against the spread of Islamic supremacist theology/ideology. Unless we defeat this enemy of human rights and dignity, humanity has no future. Do you want your great great great granddaughter hidden away in a back room as the third wife of some Muslim pervert, having to go out in a burka, and being beaten for just wanting some basic freedoms as a woman? No, the fight for civilization is now and we must strangle the economies of our enemies. This is what Osama Bin Laden understands, and we are giving him his wish by fighting Islam directly.
Posted by: James Martel at September 11, 2007 10:42 PM
The saudis are on Bin Ladens list as much as the next guy.The day the Al qaeda sword reaches the neck of the house of saud it will be as if the frankenstein killing its master.Just like suicide.
I wish Binny boy would get on with it so we can gather the big bad wolf to blow the islamic house down.
HAH Binny boy views the house of saud and other kings worse than infedels,how humiliating for them.
May they all find allah.
Posted by: Dar al-harb at September 11, 2007 10:52 PM
If U.S officials can't cut saudi funding then who is supposed to?
Posted by: Dar al-harb at September 11, 2007 10:54 PM
Hugh
"Saudi Arabia has cost us"
Yep. Almost 3,000 humans on this day alone.
Of course "Grover the Good" would show us how that fits on his accounting sheet. How much does he count for human lives or our lost troops in Iraq fighting for a fantasy?
Posted by: greatcometof1577 at September 11, 2007 11:05 PM
The Saudis are not our friends. Saudi Arabia would have been the better place to start after 9/11. Iraq could have waited. We need to tell them to get with the program or they will loose their gambling and whoring trips to Las Vegas. That will put the fear of Alan in them.
Posted by: Rick at September 11, 2007 11:10 PM
WE ARE AT WAR!
Every speech the President makes is hollow as long as he refuses to take action against the Saudi terror schools, the Iranian weapons factories and the Pakistani terrorist haven. How many American soldiers have died because of his unwillingness to attack the enemy strongholds? God grant us a leader who will take us through to victory.
Posted by: 1american at September 11, 2007 11:12 PM
Dar al-harb
I am not convinced re the saudis an OBL. Who would he chose allegiance to if he had to? (assuming he is alive and not a wax model).
I think this is what they would like us to think, same as Mushareff wants us to believe he is trying to get OBL. Every now and then, to get US help, they surrender a terrorist to shut the west up.
This could just be a ploy.
greatcometof1577
excellent piece:)
It was saudis who did 9/11. Let's not forget that. And who helped get Bin Laden's family out and let in another 20,000 students?
We have been fighting the wrong people.
Posted by: Gramfan at September 11, 2007 11:20 PM
All signs point to the Saudis coming down on the side of obl regardless of what obl may think, for so-called heavens sake. Look at their kingdom and the fundamentalist way it is run it is not for show to attract muslim tourists, they believe. Yes they really believe and so they will never risk whatever it is they think they are going to get in the afterlife. I was thinking, they are a lot like the ancient Egyptians, the Egyptians built tombs filled with their goodies to bring along with them to the afterlife. Except the muslims are lazy they just assume everything will be supplied for them there. Hey kinda like the way they do things here on Earth, so what’s the difference?
On oil, take this saud!
http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com/2007/09/11/radio-frequencies-help-burn-salt-water/
Sure it’s too early to get excited, but if it will burn we can harness it.
at September 11, 2007 11:23 PM
mepeteart,
Yes indeed, thank you very much for that post.
at September 11, 2007 11:25 PM
We will not win this war until we get serious and stop pretending that Islam is a "religion". It is not. It is a death cult married to a crime syndicate. We have to ban it in the US!
Thursday, February 08, 2007
A Proposed Constitutional Amendment
Background and justification to Amendment 28
Whereas Religion is defined as an institution dedicated to improving social conscience and promoting individual and societal spiritual growth in a way that is harmless to others not participating in or practicing the same;
Whereas the United States of America was founded on the ideals of individual rights, including the individual right to practice one’s religion of choice, or no religion, and that there would be no compulsion of religion, nor state sanctioned religion, nor a “religious test” for participation in the body politic;
Whereas Islam includes a complete political and social structure, encompassed by its religious law, Sharia, that supersedes any civil law and that Islam mandates that no secular or democratic institutions are to be superior to Islamic law;
Whereas Islam preaches that it and it alone is the true religion and that Islam will dominate the world and supplant all other religions and democratic institutions;
Whereas Saudi Arabia, the spiritual home of Islam does not permit the practice of any other religion on its soil and even “moderate” Muslims states such as Turkey and Malaysia actively suppress other religions;
Whereas Islam includes as its basic tenet the spread of the faith by any and all means necessary, including violent conquest of non-believers, and demands of its followers that they implement violent jihad (holy war) against those un-willing to convert or submit to Islam, including by deception and subversion of existing institutions;
Whereas on 9/11/2001 19 Muslim hijackers acting in the name of Islam killed 3,000 Americans, and numerous other acts of terrorism have been directed at the American people around the world;
Whereas representatives of Islam around the world including Osama Bin Laden (architect of 9/11), the government of Iran including Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, HAMAS, Hezbollah, and other Islamic groups have declared jihad (war) on America, and regularly declare that America should cease to exist;
Whereas there is no organized Islamic opposition to violent proponents of Islam;
Therefore: Islam is not a religion, but a political ideology more akin to Fascism and totally in opposition to the ideals of freedom as described in the United States Constitution, especially the Bill of Rights.
Be it resolved that the following Amendment to the Constitution be adopted:
Article I
The social/political/ideological system known around the world as Islam is not recognized in the United States as a religion.
The practice of Islam is therefore not protected under the 1st Amendment as to freedom of religion and speech.
Article II
As representatives of Islam around the world have declared war, and committed acts of war, against the United States and its democratic allies around the world, Islam is hereby declared an enemy of the United States and its practice within the United States is now prohibited.
Article III
Immediately upon passage of this Amendment all Mosques, schools and Muslim places of worship and religious training are to be closed, converted to other uses, or destroyed. Proceeds from sales of such properties may be distributed to congregations of said places but full disclosure of all proceeds shall be made to an appropriate agency as determined by Congress. No compensation is to be offered by Federal or State agencies for losses on such properties however Federal funding is to be available for the demolishing of said structures if other disposition cannot be made.
The preaching of Islam in Mosques, Schools, and other venues is prohibited. The subject of Islam may be taught in a post high school academic environment provided that instruction include discussion of Islam’s history of violence, conquest, and its ongoing war on democratic and other non-Islamic values.
The preaching or advocating of Islamic ideals of world domination, destruction of America and democratic institutions, jihad against Judaism, Christianity and other religions, and advocating the implementation of Sharia law shall in all cases be punishable by fines, imprisonment, deportation, and death as prescribed by Congress. Violent expressions of these and other Muslim goals, or the material support of those both in the United States and around the world who seek to advance these Islamic goals shall be punishable by death.
Muslims will be denied the opportunity to immigrate to the United States.
Article IV
Nothing in this amendment shall be construed as authorizing the discrimination against, of violence upon, nor repudiation of the individual rights of those Americans professing to be Muslim. The individual right of conscience is sacrosanct and the practice of Islam within the privacy of home and self is strictly protected to the extent that such individuals do not violate the prohibitions described in Article III.
at September 11, 2007 11:37 PM
Gramfan
"assuming he is alive and not a wax model"
Hahahahahahahaha....you know I thought the same thing when the first still pictures came out. I said "check it out....Osama in Wax!".
I was really hoping that Azzam the American would do the voice over. Thus we would have a wax Osama with Gadahn's voice speading the message of ending taxes, stopping global warming, and saving the world from bad loans. Then add some tricked out psychedelic patterns to the backround set to the music from 2001 a Space Odyssey and were set.
Hell in some ways Gadahn is doing more harm to the enemy then anything we have done up to this point. He is making the "Big O" look like a fool. I say keep up the good work Azzam! Cowabunga Dude!
at September 11, 2007 11:37 PM
But America can cut Saudi funding of terrorism, albeit not by snapping -its- fingers. Start raising fuel taxes and funnel that money into the transformation of US economy towards use of sustainable energy resources. America will come out like champ with exports of new technology and Saudis will wonder what hit them when oil drops down to $20 and still nobody wants it because the alternatives are economically viable and Kyoto and and other treaties put a cap on use of fossil fuels. And not a single bullet shot. Not a single American wounded or killed defending a people who doesn't give a damn.
Posted by: Marvin at September 11, 2007 11:48 PM
greatcometof1577
Glad I put a smile on someones face today!
I had a look on the Laura Mansfield site and it hit me: wax!
You have also made another good point that is easily forgotten:
Islam does quite a bit of damage to itself.
Bit by bit,,,little by little,,,,the word is getting out.
Trouble is the leftoids insist on being stupid. Well,,one day perhaps they will also learn.
Posted by: Gramfan at September 11, 2007 11:50 PM
There is one person who can snap his fingers and stop Saudi funding, but Georgie won't; why?. The world wonders.
Posted by: Pelayo at September 11, 2007 11:50 PM
Marvin, quite an innovative idea. Nt being a tax/finance person myself, not sure how it will work out but certainly a refreshing idea. In the same vein, I read this post elsewhere but is appropriate here as well:
and in the USA and Canada the biggest helpers to terrorists in my opinion are the environmentalists that protests the drilling of oil wells in Alaska and off the west coast and the mining of oil shale because it might disturb some plant or insect or vertebrae that is a bit rare we have enough oil resources in Canada and the USA to be self-sufficient but we do not have the political will to use resources that we have including developing-a alternative fuel like hydrogen as it would not be hard to convert cars over to hydrogen
this would cut off the petrodollar supply that is helping fuel the worldwide spread of radical Wahhabist Islam and the terrorism associated with this cult if it not been for petrodollars they would never have gotten strong as they are and it's time to cut the flow of modern day jizha that Muslims have lived on this like their ancestors did for millennia not producing anything a living like the Mafia off of protection i.e. pay the protection and we'd let you live as our slaves and in reality is that not what dhimmi in reality were? Slaves had more rights
Posted by: mowasaperv at September 11, 2007 5:01 PM
Posted by: Alert at September 12, 2007 12:02 AM
mepeteart:
Thanks for the story. It brought tears to my eyes too.
Posted by: atheling at September 12, 2007 12:03 AM
Raising taxes and enforcing Kyoto accords would be the death knell to our economy in the short and long term. Taxes would have to be introduced over a ten or fifteen year span to lessen the impact. All one has to do is remember 1973. Ford's and Carter's administrations could not stop the damage that increased fuel costs did to the economy. Everything, and I mean everything is affected by fuel costs, from furniture to lettuce. If you are rankled by everything being made in China now, wait until all our food comes from China. We will have to combat Arab petrodollar influence in some other way. If I had the answer to the use of Mohammedan oil, I would be the Pope of Greenwich Village and the rest of the Northern Hemisphere.
Posted by: Pelayo at September 12, 2007 12:05 AM
Wait!! Saudi Arabia is funding jihadists?
What the hell happened? Have I been asleep for about 50 years or so?
Sincerely,
Rip Van Winkle
Posted by: awake at September 12, 2007 12:15 AM
Rip Van Winkle is now awake. Word magick fun...
Pelayo...Bush is in the Saudi back pocket. The one on the left with the big bulge in it.
Posted by: duh_swami at September 12, 2007 12:27 AM
This is what happened in 1973 and we are still paying for it. Where did it get us with the saudis?
http://reformjudaismmag.org/Articles/index.cfm?id=1113
Up S*** creek! That's where.
Alert: I agree. Eco-terrorists abound. They have stopped us from building dams in Australia to save one species of fish, or even a parrot. Now most of the country is in drought and our next summer will be more awful than the last one. To make things worse we are constantly getting more immigrants.
(I like animals as much as anyone else, but who will help them if we die of thirst?)
Global warming and the "greens movement" is becoming like a religion.If you don't agree with it, you are ostracized.
Climate change has been occurring for centuries.
at September 12, 2007 12:35 AM
"Realpolitick means that anti-terrorism often gets confused with protecting existing states, even ones that support terrorism. Thus, Saudi Arabia, basically an Al Qaeda look-alike, is an ally against terror because their friendship and the economic importance of it trumps moral considerations."
Posted by: jewdog
I think that is exactly how the US looks at this. My problem is why bother going to war when you're not willing to take on your enemies.
This is completely a waste of time if you go after the one country that was the least of your problems in the region. Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Iran are and were all much bigger threats than Iraq. This is what pisses me off the most.
Posted by: The fanatic at September 12, 2007 1:24 AM
Gramfan...OT..I read that the ice cap covering Greenland is melting rapidly. I also read where scientists drilled a hole through something like 2000 feet of ice to where they hit mud. Dna testing of mud samples showed dna of various trees ,and vegetation, and insects. What this proves is, that prior to the ice cap, Greenland really was green. And the temperature was warmer at that time.
Posted by: duh_swami at September 12, 2007 1:27 AM
Where has Stuart Levey been hiding all this time? Let Rice go to the NFL and put Levey in at State! He knows!
robscottw - I like your draft except Article IV. They will still read the Koran and that is the problem. If they want to be Muslims, they should follow the advice of the Government of Australia: find a Muslim country and relocate.
The battle we face is getting such an amendment processed. The time and effort required is mind-boggling. So much so it is nigh impossible. Does that mean we are doomed to put up with them? If that is true then in fact we are doomed to either civil war or dhimmihood. Reason will have lost the battle.
Posted by: Jimmy Bones at September 12, 2007 1:40 AM
Robscottw:
Re Legal document outlawing Islam. Yes, a nice start, and hopefully we will not have to go through our own internal civil war to convince the American people and the Supreme Court that this is the quickest, most non-violent solution to the problem JUST within our borders, and therefore the best deal we can offer to Muslims. Choose America, or choose Islam.
Alert and Marvin:
We have technology available right now that can make automobiles that run on hydrogen (GM hydrogen fuel cell). The only hurdle is in developing an infrastructure and distribution system. Emissions? 100% WATER!!! S*it, we took on 3 HUGE military enemies and beat them in less than 4 years (less time than we have been in Iraq) during WWII. Surely the American people, given the challenge, can this in our sleep.
Also, few know that there is more oil in "oil sand" beneath the Canadian Rockies than all known reserves in the Middle East, Russia, China, and the US COMBINED. There is a company called Encana that has already worked out a technology for processing this sand with two end-products: Oil, and clean sand that can be returned to the ground.
Solutions are everywhere. Political WILL is all that is in short supply.
That being said, there do seem to be some new conservative politicans who appear willing to meet the challenges with a refreshing vision. Tancredo, Huckabee, Giuliani (who took on crime in NYC and transformed that city in a very short period), as well as Newt Gingrich, a scholar of history who is now stumping a speech (be forewarned, it is somewhat long-winded appropriate to the problem) that acknowledges the dire war ahead of us and offers a litany of practical steps to prepare Americans for the fight ahead. No Republican shilling here...just looking for some LEADERSHIP from any corner willing to bring realistic and practical solutions.
Posted by: JohnAdams at September 12, 2007 1:44 AM
Sorry all:
The link to that speech by Gingrich Sept. 10 at the American Enterprise Institute:
http://www.newt.org/multimedia/default.asp?mi=545
Posted by: JohnAdams at September 12, 2007 1:50 AM
@duh_swami
Yes to your OT point. The icecaps were once on the equator, not where they are now.
The icecaps on Mars are also melting, I have heard. Humans are NOT doing that with fossil fuels, are they?
I really am more worried about a global caliphate than global warming right now.
I watched "The Great Global Warming Swindle", (on youtube I think), haven't watched Gore's effort as yet.
I don't know who is right, but to me this seems a case of "follow the money trail", and it has also become a very right-wing/left-wing isssue.
And still many of those celebs in fly private jets! We plebs are told to use less!
at September 12, 2007 1:55 AM
GramFan:
Yup, one of Al's many criss-crossings of the US trying to become a movie star uses more fuel than a Hummer (favorite whipping boy vehicle of the Left) would use in a year. They want POWER. The issues they use to whip up support are immaterial.
at September 12, 2007 2:06 AM
JohnAdams
exactly!
Wonder if Gore has set up a carbon-trading scheme or owns a factory that makes those awful energy-efficient light globes - the ones with mercury in them, that if you accidentally break one you have to call in the HazChem guys?
Posted by: Gramfan at September 12, 2007 2:26 AM
Earth is heating up lately, but so are Mars, Pluto and other worlds in our solar system, leading some scientists to speculate that a change in the sun’s activity is the common thread linking all these baking events. Others argue that such claims are misleading and create the false impression that rapid global warming, as Earth is experiencing, is a natural phenomenon. While evidence suggests fluctuations in solar activity can affect climate on Earth, and that it has done so in the past, the majority of climate scientists and astrophysicists agree that the sun is not to blame for the current and historically sudden uptick in global temperatures on Earth, which seems to be mostly a mess created by our own species.
This all needs to be weighed with the fact that their dreaded hockey stick of temperature uptick turned in to a wet noodle.
NASA has now silently released corrected figures, and the changes are truly astounding. The warmest year on record is now 1934. 1998 (long trumpeted by the media as record-breaking) moves to second place. 1921 takes third. In fact, 5 of the 10 warmest years on record now all occur before World War II. Anthony Watts has put the new data in chart form, along with a more detailed summary of the events.
And throw this in to the mix.
Australian scientists have discovered a giant underwater current that is one of the last missing links of a system that connects the world's oceans and helps govern global climate. New research shows that a current sweeping past Australia's southern island of Tasmania toward the South Atlantic is a previously undetected part of the world climate system's engine-room.
Missing link, undetected part of the engine room? Whoa, wait a minute! What else is out there that is still an unknown previously undetected missing link? I think they should take a breather, relax, maybe have a smoke (and for gosh sake stop looking into agors eyes) and then go back and do some detailed research.
If we could convince the islamists to go to Pluto it’s warming there. But if we can’t, remember this. Islamists don’t care how hot it gets here on Earth they are interested in the afterearth.
at September 12, 2007 2:28 AM
@ topic...nice hypothetical,
SA's a good choice, but one would prove far more effective, would end the saud playing both ends against the middle, end irans mental safety net they hide behind, and get weapons from...same for al qaeda, (not to mention end of north koreas games, and end Russia's money backup, arms sales for their own rebuilup), and drop the terror premium on oil overnight...after all, same one gave the idea of the hit on 9/11,
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/9/24/143618.shtml
wrote the book on it
http://www.newsmaxstore.com/nms/showdetl.cfm?DID=6&Product_ID=889&CATID=13&GroupID=58&CFID=9067086&CFTOKEN=79fc35232d7e721f-F8626C3C-1372-63AB-A54E6F87F8203A3A
and has proven not only to be using terrorists as a proxy vs the west, but buying time until they can build for their own hit on us, which was known for decades as we decoded their military transcripts since 1974 showing they're the originators of asymmetric warfare the islamists use today,
keeping us busy while they build their military needed to take us on at alarming speed (fater than nazi germany did both in percentage and total monetary expenditures)...
and finally, same one who plans to not only run us out of the pacific rim, but destroy us completely.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57576
My selection: the communist occupation forces in mainland china
That's THE head of the snake (probably THE head in biblical prophecy character "beast", see "shanghai cooperation organization, and list of players-tells the tale). Take that one out, and the rest fall like dominos.
If you can snap the fingers and do maximum damage to evil, maximum good for the rest, and send the asymmetric sidekicks packing...the communist occupation forces in mainland china would be it.
Posted by: jcom972 at September 12, 2007 2:29 AM
Some might claim that a majority of Pakistan's citizens are pro-jihad, and unworthy of our continued financial aid. But that would be wrong; it is not a majority - very far from it. In fact, a new study released today shows that it is only a tiny minority (46%) of Pakistanis who admire Osama Bin Laden, leader of Al Qaeda. Yes, today, six years after the 9/11 attacks, it is down to only 46% of Pakistanis who think Bin Laden is doing a good job of putting the infidels in their place. 46%. Nowhere near a majority.
Saudi Arabia and Pakistan: with friends and strong allies like these, how could we lose?
Posted by: special_guest at September 12, 2007 2:55 AM
special_guest
Your are kidding, right?
As for the Chinese: who knows? They are up to no good, but the USA and others buy so much from them. They would have a lot to lose, surely. They are in a weird communist/capitalist situation.
Saw some of the WND posts and they are also hacking into Aussie computers and spying here.
Posted by: Gramfan at September 12, 2007 3:18 AM
special_guest
VERY good!
at September 12, 2007 3:20 AM
Pelano; There is a fundamental difference between raising taxes on fuel and the oil crisis of '73, which is that the money stay in your own economy to use a you see fit. Sure, one can not raise fuel taxes quickly. That would defeat its own purpose. The infrastructure has to adapt. The income from the tax is supposed to help doing exactly that. I hate taxes too but in this case, the money go either to Venezuela, Saudi, Iran or Russia, or you get to keep them your self. Americas import of oil matches to production of Saudi Arabia. What would you think happens if the USA no longer imports the 10 million barrels per day. Yes, oil prices back at $20-$30 per barrel. Tax included, your fuel costs back to the same level as today but with a big increase in funding to technology development in the USA and funding to support gas alternatives.
Johnadams; The Alberta oil sands are not economically viable to exploit at the current oil prices, and no country in the world today has the capacity to produce hydrogen in the amounts required to replace oil consumption. I doubt we'll see that changing within 10 years. It is not only an infrastructure and distribution problem, unless one includes the energy production element to "infrastructure" (which probably has to be nuclear power).
Posted by: Marvin at September 12, 2007 3:22 AM
Re China -
the Muslim jihad has been devouring its neighbours for 1350 years. Communist (Maoist) China has only been around 50 years. So far as I can see, the pre-modern Chinese escaped being steamrollered by the Jihad more by good luck than good management.
Muslim techniques of propaganda, the Big Lie (see Qur'an and treatment of Jewish and Christian texts), deception, taqiyya, kitman, hudna, raiding, fraud, treachery, etc etc were all perfected in the first few centuries of Islamic expansion, without benefit of any Chinese instructions whatever and certainly without benefit of communists who did not then exist.
A Chinese communist teach a jihadist how to fight? How to deceive?
If Iran gets nukes then sooner or later both Russia and China will get those little 'convert...pay up...or DIE' invitations to Islam, just like every other Infidel government in the world.
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at September 12, 2007 3:40 AM
dumble',
perhaps, but they won't match the firepower of such a hugely populated country, and they're part of the same SCO I mentioned...not gonna happen.
They wrote the book on it (see the book link above), and the islamists have mastered their propaganda machine directly from the same socialist machine that's been more responsible for more murders the past 100 years than all other history combined.
Their domestic practices are based on state socialism (communism), their tactics are based on national socialism (which they picked up quickly from their greatest teacher, adolph hitler).
But we're simply talking about a what-if (if topic is correct), right?
(by the way, Marvin, apparently it IS profitable now, especially since the US #1 oil source is Canada, and more specifically, via Alberta oil sands & has been for quite some time now...
SA's ranged between #2 & #5 varying over the past 6 years...and our Green River/Permian Basin sands are even easier/softer than athabascas in Alberta...it's being developed now & will be online by 2013 if not earlier)
Once that's done, we can completely disengage from these current oil sources completely and tell them all to go take a flying f***...and the islamists can kiss their money, and asses goodbye.
Without money, their jihad doesn't move, and it's more about money than they let on...follow the money.
at September 12, 2007 3:58 AM
Ali Sina's site has been hacked and is down. It may take up to a week for them to go online again. The only people affected by the site are Islamists who cannot tolerate the contents of the site. It is a typical behaviour which aims to silence all the criticisms by hook or by crook. It does not take much intelligence to conclude that the hackers must be well educated and well versed in information technology. If this is the behaviour of highly educated ones, one can understand the behaviours of the less educated and illiterates. Makes me shudder!!
Posted by: aprakat at September 12, 2007 4:22 AM
I have been saying this about the saudis for over 10 years...
Why is nothing ever done about this?
Why?
at September 12, 2007 4:55 AM
Screw the Saudis and the Dems; bastards in action and bastards in denial.
After we kill or capture Osama and Ayman, let's go after the "royal" Saudis.
Ah, retribution is sweet.
Posted by: dgene at September 12, 2007 5:42 AM
Ali Sina's site is indeed down, and thought that maybe it had to do with m settings or something like that. It is indeed sad that such a thing should have happened. Down with the Islamists.
us_kanna
Posted by: UsKanna at September 12, 2007 7:09 AM
How we can improve relations with Pakistan.
And a majority of Pakistanis said their opinion of the United States would improve if, among other things, there were increases in American aid to Pakistan, American business investments and the number of visas issued for Pakistanis to work in the United States.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/09/11/poll.pakistanis/index.html
Nevermind that Osama has a 46 approval rating in Pakistan
at September 12, 2007 8:34 AM
JohnAdams:
We should rid ourselves of the Saudi junkie-habit. We can get by without their oil. We might have to suffer a bit, but average Americans have not suffered one iota in this war.
Yes indeed. We all should. They may be No 1 in terms of proven oil reserves but they are not the only ones that can suppy oil. There are other countries and the pecking order has changed in recent years with Canada extracting oil from tar sands, other African countries discovering oil, Russia and the CIS countries.
Granted some of the foreign countries are unpleasant to deal with, a few are unstable and unreliable but SA comes with immense baggage.
Cant the rest combined be okay?
Time to cut the flow of American dollars that fund the Jihad all over the world! F*&k the Saudis. They will crackdown like maniacs if we pull their strings.
Maybe, maybe not. Once the oil runs out their country is damned. I am looking forward to it. There is barely a single Islamic country that actually exports anything else (except maybe Dates, Figs & Pistacchios). They have no manufacturing bases. They are not like India China or Japan. 15 of those 19 bombers were SA and the USA has done zero to SA because they are considered a "friend". Some friend. I would like to carpet bomb all their cities - reduce Riyad, Medina, Mecca to rubble.
Posted by: UK Infidel Lover at September 12, 2007 9:10 AM
spitfire:
the problem is we will eventually need to crush each and every muslim nation.
We dont need to. We get the hell out of the ME and exploit the differences between Sunni and Shia. It does not take much to get them to fight.
Use the CIA. It is much better for the West if they fight among themselves rather than us.
We could for example fund papers, media, radio stations that mention every grievance caused by Sunni over Shia. Bahrain is a powderkeg. And Yemen. Remember the Iraq-Iran war from 1981-1988? It kept Iran busy - too busy to make mischief for the West.
And unlike the rest here, I dont care if Iran moves into Iraq if the USA pulls out. It will give Saudi Arabia and the rest of the Gulf states something to think about. Iran might have a better army but they are only 10% of Muslims being Shia.
If we wait too long, we will need to attack much of europe.
I dont think you will need to. We will have civil war.
it is high time to to mandate on gasoline sales the country of orgin of the fuel be posted for the consumer, so Americans have a choice. i would gladly pay much more money for North Sea, Alaskian, Canadian, or Gulf of Mexico derived gasoline. It is mandated to note counrty of orgin on many products, but not for gasoline
It is also high time to look at alternative sources of energy : hydroelectric, wind, waves, thermal, solar. It high time to build more rail systems in cities so cars are not necessary. It is high time we cut down our energy consumption.
By the year 2400 oil will have gone and I reckon we will be using trickle methods of all kinds to get energy and drinkable water.
Maybe we just ought to take the oil from muslim lands.
That is unequivocally wrong. That is theft. Irrespective of our needs. In any case, if we did so, we can look forward to a high rate of death to protect these new found interests. Consider that 1000 Westerners die a month just to protect oil extraction. All we need to do is deal with them at an arm-length basis. It is purely transactional with some interest in what they are spending money on.
Posted by: UK Infidel Lover at September 12, 2007 9:46 AM
OT
@tgusa,
Thank you for the encouraging words about real men, on the Ohio Mosque thread. (I would have left this message there, but the thread seems to be closed.) It was a comforting and heartening post, and I appreciate it.
Thanks again!
Cindy
at September 12, 2007 9:46 AM
quoting post by briar "Sawdi Arabia and Pakistan are the source of Jihad ideology yet are considered "friends". Would you consider someone a friend who holds a gin to your head?"
Last time I checked, it was us who invaded their countries and not the other way around.
Posted by: godfly at September 12, 2007 9:52 AM
One last word about global warming. The main gas tha contributes to the way solar radiation warms or cools our planet is water vapor. Those people like Gore who never mention water vapor's contribution, do it for their own political goals. I'm not just talking about clouds, but the vapor one doesn't see. The EPA plays down water vapor, while NOAA acknowledges the effect.
Posted by: Pelayo at September 12, 2007 9:53 AM
"it is high time to to mandate on gasoline sales the country of orgin of the fuel be posted for the consumer, so Americans have a choice."
Spitfire,
I like this idea! There was a link, I believe it was on Foehammer's site, posted by somebody else, to a short list of non-Saudi (or other terrorist reliant) gas companies. Hess was one of them. I don't recall the others--they were strangers to Florida, or at least to my part of the state.
Unfortunately, such a mandate could very well hurt companies which sell gasoline made from Saudi crude, but it could serve as an incentive to them to convert to other sources.
Maybe the Amish folk are onto something, using horses for motive power. I know I'd be willing to ride a horse to get to work and back, though I'd have to move, to do it.
Posted by: Abscedere at September 12, 2007 10:05 AM
Ali Sina's site is down? www.faithfreedom.org is down? If Islam were understood correctly, the American govenment would at once come to the rescue of that website, get it up and running, and paying for its excellent work. In a world where there is little or no attempt to understand Islam, the American government does nothing for those who, like Ali Sina, are doing exactly what most needs to be done.
Posted by: Hugh at September 12, 2007 10:06 AM
Why Bush never took on the Saudi's leaves me with suspecions that border on traitorus.
Posted by: paulc37 at September 12, 2007 10:07 AM
godfly:
Are you THAT ignorant? Since when did we INVADE Saudi Arabia and Pakistan? We give them AID!
But just wait. They'll be crushed soon and islam will cease to expand, nay, EXIST!
at September 12, 2007 10:12 AM
Yes he is that ignorant
Posted by: Elric66 at September 12, 2007 10:18 AM
A few people here surpise me. One says that a low percentage of Pakistani's 46% support Osama, and another says increase aid.
On what planet does 46% approval rating equal tiny minority?
No more aid to any country that is on the Islamist side, this is where we go wrong. On one hand everyone is screaming dhimmi, on the other we have guys here wanting us to keep acting like it.
Posted by: The fanatic at September 12, 2007 10:23 AM
U.S. Ties to Saudi Elite May Be Hurting War on Terrorism
by Jonathan Wells, Jack Meyers and Maggie Mulvihill
A steady stream of billion-dollar oil and arms deals between American corporate leaders and the elite of Saudi Arabia may be hindering efforts by the West to defeat international Islamic terrorism.
U.S. business and political leaders are so wedded to preserving the gilded American-Saudi marriage that officials in Washington D.C. continue to give the oil-rich Gulf monarchy a wide berth, despite mounting evidence of support in Saudi Arabia for Osama bin Laden's terrorist network, some experts say.
Since the Sept. 11 attacks, Saudi Arabia has been a reluctant ally, refusing to let the U.S. use Saudi bases as staging areas for military operations in Afghanistan.
The Saudis have also balked at freezing the assets of organizations linked to bin Laden and international terrorism, some of which are Saudi-run. Just last week, Bush administration officials embarked on their second trip this month to the kingdom to try to convince the Saudi government to cooperate.
``If there weren't all these other arrangements - arms deals and oil deals and consultancies - I don't think the U.S. would stand for this lack of cooperation,'' said William Hartung, a foreign policy and arms industry expert at the World Policy Institute. ``Because of those relationships, they have to tread lightly.''
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/1210-04.htm
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at September 12, 2007 11:07 AM
If Pakistan would clean al qaeda out of the isi, Pakistan would earn a little credibility.Posted by: infidel!
Amen, infidel!, amen!!! But ISI and the military are more powerful than their President, which is why nothing gets done. If wishes were horses...
There is one person who can snap his fingers and stop Saudi funding, but Georgie won't; why?. The world wonders.
Posted by: Pelayo
Pelayo, it's not that easy. I wish it was. Hugh has an excellent point about seizing Saudi accounts and property, but under current law the gov't has to prove a solid connection to terrorism. That's the hard part.
I'm not saying it can't and isn't being done. I doubt the gov't is doing nothing. I'm saying that the laws requiring proof of links to terrorism are so strict that OFAC can probably only do so much.
I think the Divest Terror project can move much faster...if companies, investors, and individuals forced the issue, many of these foreigners could find doing business in the US highly uncomfortable. The evidence of terrorism connections that isn't enough under the law could convict them in the court of public opinion.
Of course, the gov't cutting off the jizya to the Saudis & Pakis wouldn't hurt either.
Posted by: Miss_Anthrope at September 12, 2007 11:52 AM
Cindy,
You are welcome, glad I could be of service.
Regards tgusa
at September 12, 2007 12:22 PM
China’s devastating one child policy coming to the West? If these environuts/little Heydrich’s get their way you betcha. They don’t care about warming they care about coooling, human body coooling as in they want us all dead. That is one reason they support the islamists that is why obl believes he can influence them. The islamists say we love pepsi more than they love death, the leftards say they love death more than we love life, Houston we have a problem. You want to end up in a world that resembles Dr. Moreau’s island or Dr. Frankenstein’s workshop then follow these genocidal fools. Now I know why they call themselves the green party, ganggreen! They want to die so my questions are, do they burn, how much energy can we squeeze out of one of these people, is it monetarily beneficial to do it, do they leave any toxic byproducts behind when they are incinerated? I have many more questions regarding the uses for these sub-humans but I think I will email nasa and see what they think.
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/240206.php
As is said, They are not pro-environment they are anti-human. Please, lets remove them from our country before they start killing living, breathing, crying or laughing babies. They make the Manson family look like the Walton’s so lets get rid of the monsters before they get rid of us.
at September 12, 2007 1:07 PM
Posted by CGW "godfly, Are you THAT ignorant? Since when did we INVADE Saudi Arabia and Pakistan? We give them AID! But just wait. They'll be crushed soon and islam will cease to expand, nay, EXIST!"
@ CGW: US giving the Saudis aid? keep on saying that to yourself. do you even know how much the Saudis have invested in the US?
@ Elric66: go back to your basement.
let me quote briar again: "Sawdi(sic) Arabia and Pakistan are the source of Jihad ideology yet are considered "friends". Would you consider someone a friend who holds a gin to your head?"
and I replied: "Last time I checked, it was us who invaded their countries and not the other way around."
CGW, if a Muslim nation like Iran decided to invade Mexico or Canada, how do you think Team America would react? Let me remind you that US invaded Iraq a country that is not even a threat to the US- having done that, what kind of reaction are you expecting from it's neighbors and the rest of the Muslim world? you expect these people to be happy and gay about it? geez...
Posted by: godfly at September 12, 2007 4:00 PM
memo to tgusa:
I am personally active in environmental causes yet I would NOT ever want to see a one-child policy enforced in America (although would you care to see the USA with over 1 billion people, mostly consisting of immigrants from third world countries?) and I also am quite aware that global warming is NOT a man-made phenomenon.
Sweeping statements when confined to something as narrow in its perspective as Islam work okay, but with any topic as diversified as man's management of the biological resources that keep his existence on this earth possible such statements become prejudicial and counter-productive.
Margaret Thatcher by the way champions many environmental causes, proving that the environment is not a psycho-leftist thing, and I stand with her.
Why not confine our posts here to handling the global jihad intelligently and leave out taking verbal cheap shots at unrelated topics which at best do little more than distract and misinform and at worst provoke unnecessary animosity?.
Posted by: pythagoras at September 12, 2007 4:36 PM
*yyyaaaawwwwwwwnnnnnnn*
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=23264
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/11/16/122915.shtml
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID={524F0261-37CB-40C1-8291-014E1940EC27}
Posted by: jcom972 at September 12, 2007 4:40 PM
pythagoras,
I didn’t bring the global warming issue in obl and his allies did. I as a former scout also have been involved in the preservation of the environment so I also know smart policies when I see them as well. Frankly, I believe that since the organized enviromovement took over things have become worse. Our Oceans, rivers and streams are becoming more polluted. Our forests are burning due to poor management. Here is free way to cut down on forest fires, allow people to scavenge for deadwood on the ground. Yes that is the way it used to be done when we had a lot more trees and a lot less fires. And there are many more. They preserve one species yet wipe out two others in the process. Also, you would find that many enviros support illegal immigration even though the border and its habitat are being trashed by the same, their policies are contradictory. Most of these groups are in a loose alliance against us but I didn’t make it so. All arrows point to the islamists and their leftard compatriots and they would both love to see us institute policies detrimental to our civilization. I do understand your concern for the environment and I share it as well.
at September 12, 2007 6:05 PM
Major reason #1 I picked the communist occupation forces in mainland china:
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8RLE5H80&show_article=1
the "land of the aryans" (iran, translated) admit chinas complicity...and collusion.
at September 14, 2007 5:21 PM
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