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Did he have a camera or didn't he?
Compare:
"Man On Terrorism Watch List Suspected Of Taking Bridge Photos," from NBC10.com (thanks to Jeffrey Imm):
BLAIRSTOWN, N.J. -- A man whose name is on a terrorism watch list and suspected of taking photos of a bridge between Pennsylvania and New Jersey was questioned and released after authorities determined he did nothing wrong.The man had pulled over to the side of the road on Monday, the day before the sixth anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks. State police responded to a call reporting that a man who appeared to be Middle Eastern was photographing the Interstate 80 bridge over the Delaware River.
New Jersey State Police Capt. Al Della Fave said the man, whose identity was not released, did not have a camera and was simply looking at the bridge while his wife fed their infant child.
"He said he was looking for a safe place to pull over so his wife could feed the baby," Della Fave said. "The trooper asked him, 'What about the pictures you were taking?' He said, 'What do you mean? I wasn't taking any pictures."'
The trooper contacted state and federal authorities, who quickly determined that the man's name appears on a terrorism watch list. Neither Della Fave nor Roger Shatzkin, a spokesman for the New Jersey Office of Homeland Security, could say why the man's name was on the list.
The trooper asked for and received permission to search the man's car. No camera was found in the car or the surrounding area, and the man was permitted to go on his way, police said....
"Man taking photos of I-80 bridge found to be on terror watch list," from AP (thanks to Alida:
STROUDSBURG, Pa. -- The Monroe County district attorney says a man on a terrorism watch list was discovered taking photos of the Interstate 80 bridge crossing the Delaware River.District Attorney E. David Christine tells The Morning Call of Allentown that police talked with the man Monday, but didn't detain him. Christine says the man told police he was taking pictures for fun while on vacation. Christine says authorities didn't learn that the man was on the FBI watch list until later.
The man's name wasn't immediately released.
The man was taking pictures from the New Jersey side of the bridge.
So a New Jersey State Police Captain says he had no camera, and a district attorney says he did, but he was just taking pictures for fun.
Do you get the impression that someone is not being entirely forthcoming about this incident?
If anyone has any more information, please send it in.
Posted by Robert at September 12, 2007 6:05 PM
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Watch for "racism" (Goebbels "victim" style) charges from Fibrihim "Farfur style propaganda" Hooper, CAIR liars, etc. Of course, Muslim countries (especially Arab countries) are not ethnically diverse like the USA and Saudi Arabia is an Arab-racist-society. But as Goebbels pointed out, propaganda does not have to be truthful, does not have to be logical. All that is necessary (as per Goebbels) is that propaganda be effective with "the stupid masses".
Posted by: Frank
at September 12, 2007 6:37 PM
Pictures for "fun". There is no fun in Islam.
Posted by: tanstaafl
at September 12, 2007 6:41 PM
Was it this guy?
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22409356-31477,00.html
Posted by: sheik yer'mami
at September 12, 2007 6:44 PM
Why was he looking for somewhere to stop so his wife could feed the baby? One can breastfeed and ride can't one? Maybe there's a Muslim law that says you must not ride and feed. Who knows?
Somethings up.....
Posted by: gymgal
at September 12, 2007 6:48 PM
GlobalIncidentMap.com has a few on it.
http://www.thnt.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070912/NEWS/70912009
http://www.mcall.com/news/local/all-terror-sept12-cn,0,4701457.story?coll=all_tab01_layout
at September 12, 2007 6:49 PM
gymgal:
You can't drive a car and have an infant outside of his carseat. Plus how can the mother have a seatbelt on and breastfeed?
Posted by: atheling
at September 12, 2007 6:52 PM
What policeman is going to ticket someone who took their kid out of the car seat to get breast fed? And who says a woman can't breast feed an infant with a seat belt on? And how the hell is stopping a car in the breakdown lane of a busy highway SAFER than just cruising along in the left lane at 55 MPH while the muslamima feeds baby Mohammad?
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2
at September 12, 2007 6:59 PM
Okay, woman who has breastfed babies and traveled speaking here:
This does NOT pass the smell test. When I had to feed a hungry baby, I would pull off at the next exit, find a parking lot, and park in a quiet place. (Like the end of the row or such.) No baby will starve if Mommy has to wait 5 or 10 minutes for to find an exit.
I went to Google Maps and took a close up look at the I-80 bridge between PA and NJ. It seems there is an exit on each side of the bridge. In fact, if they had crossed the bridge, they would have been able to pull off at the Information Center/rest stop on the PA side.
Pulling off along an interstate highway to breastfeed when they were 1 mile from the next exit??? Nope. No way. Ain't buying it.
Posted by: CJ
at September 12, 2007 7:17 PM
He was probably just planting explosives, not taking pictures.
Did the cops check the baby's diaper for a camera?
Somehow I doubt it.
More than the diaper stinks, here.
Posted by: profitsbeard
at September 12, 2007 7:20 PM
"If anyone has any more information, please send it in."
Mass murderers have overrun the country and we bend over backwards to not 'offend' them. I don't know if you knew this yet but thought I'd post it.
Posted by: poetcomic1
at September 12, 2007 7:27 PM
I don't but that BS either, especially when the #1 trump card overrides ALL other arguments:
he's on the terror watch list
10 to 1 they also didn't search the woman's person, nor purse (lest they scream "racism!) but that's secondary to the overriding point that's indisputable...he's on the terror watch list.
The ONLY possible legit explanation to letting him go is the same as the delta flight issue (posted elsewhere) in Florida, where they were let go, too...likely to see where questionable person on the terror watch list goes (like tagging wild animals by researchers).
Then again, consider the locale it's done in...and that's why he was let go.
Welcome to the wonderful world of political correctness.
at September 12, 2007 7:29 PM
"If anyone has any more information, please send it in."
Mass murderers have overrun the country and we bend over backwards to not 'offend' them. I don't know if you knew this yet but thought I'd post it.
Posted by: poetcomic1
at September 12, 2007 7:33 PM
OT But jihad related.
http://www.snappedshot.com/archives/1167-George-Mason-University-Broadside-Stands-Up-to-Inequality.html
The meditation room at George Mason is taken over by islam, what a surprise.
at September 12, 2007 7:33 PM
I guess maybe it is just me...
WHAT THE FUCK IS SOMEONE ON THE TERRORISM WATCH LIST DOING IN OUR COUNTRY? OUT OF JAIL?
Posted by: infidel!
at September 12, 2007 7:40 PM
One report says he had a camera, the other says he didn't. Neither mentions the fact that he was yelling "Allahu Akbar!" as he frantically tugged at the cord hanging out of his heavy winter coat while sweating profusely in the 80 degree heat. He finally gave up, and the police sent this unnamed man on the terrorism watch list on his merry way.
(Yes, I made that up. No, we wouldn't be told if it were true.)
Posted by: special_guest
at September 12, 2007 7:51 PM
District Attorney E. David Christine tells The Morning Call of Allentown that police talked with the man Monday, but didn't detain him.
What good is a terror watch list?
Posted by: interestinconundrum
at September 12, 2007 7:58 PM
Did they find the guy thart was taking pictures of Minneapolis’ I-35W?
Posted by: KAOSKTRL
at September 12, 2007 7:58 PM
C'mon folks...you're all starting to sound a little bit paranoid.
When my wife was breastfeeding our son, she would often tell me to stop alongside the interstate, especially on bridges, so she could top up his tank in private. I can't count the number of times I took the opportunity to take a few pictures while I was out of the car, too.
We are doomed.
infidel! is (unfortunately) correct in his observation: What is this person doing OUT OF JAIL or IN THIS COUNTRY if he is on a terrorism watch list?? This makes as much sense as repeatedly turning loose the grenade-toting jihadettes over in the Dallas area.
"NO no no, tax-paying red-blooded American, you can't bring those fingernail clippers into this airport. Arrest this Grandma immediately!!
"You there, with the camo uniform under your burka. Is that a grenade? It's not live? OK...you can go on your way. Don't drop that on your foot and hurt yourself."
at September 12, 2007 8:57 PM
The following has info on the I-80 incident. (12-Sep-07)
http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/
NJ police caught, released terror suspect sizing up I-80 bridge
Submitted by admin on Wed, 2007-09-12 16:55.
There is also a request in the next article asking the people report suspicious behavior (and is explicit about what constitutes suspicious behavior)
at September 12, 2007 9:20 PM
The reasons bridges fall down is most likely because, with only two lanes loaded with passenger cars on quiet evenings, Progressive Contractors, Inc. stores tens of thousands of pounds of construction materials on the deck.
Just ask Mark Rosenker, Chairman of the NTSB.
Wait, no, that’s only half of a truckload. And the weight would have been factored into the design. That would make us sound stupid.
Gusset plate design problem sounds better. Better be sure not to share any details of this design problem with the public though, we’d be scrutinized.
"NTSB Gusset Alarm Perplexes Engineers":
http://enr.construction.com/news/transportation/archives/070810a.asp
at September 12, 2007 9:23 PM
I’d bet if any of us stood outside our local Muslim neighbor hoods taking pictures we would be arrested and charged with a hate crime. Then we would be the products of a smear campaign, at least 4 news shows would carry the story as its lead, members of congress would call for investigations and the final irony, we would be on the same watch list as our friendly photographer.
Posted by: Ronin
at September 12, 2007 9:46 PM
He is on the terrorism watch list and tooling around among us with and without a camera. Is he a magician? If he displays any sort of terroristic behavior, like flesh and body parts flying in all directions they’ll be right there waiting to pounce. If he is a magician what if he disappears? I’m comforted.
Posted by: tgusa
at September 12, 2007 9:58 PM
I don't know how to get this out there but I think this may be worth looking into. Union City NJ is an islamic hot bed of activity..................can we get a new posting on this story
N.J. teen charged in pipe-bomb blasts at park
By SARAH NETTER
THE JOURNAL NEWS
(Original publication: September 4, 2007)
NEW CITY - Pipe bombs that two teenagers are accused of setting off Sunday in Tallman Mountain State Park were sophisticated and dangerous, police from state and local departments said yesterday.
A 16-year-old from Union City, N.J., was arraigned yesterday in Orangetown Town Court on charges of first-degree criminal possession of a weapon and first-degree criminal mischief, both felonies, and second-degree reckless endangerment and endangering the welfare of a child, both misdemeanors.
Rockland County Sheriff James Kralik said at a news conference that the 16-year-old and his 14-year-old cousin were accused of setting off two pipe bombs in the park. A third bomb was defused by the county Bomb Squad.
The 14-year-old has not yet been charged with a crime and was released to his parents.
The 16-year-old could be tried as an adult; however, police refused to release his name because he could be eligible for youthful offender status. Such status can be granted only by a judge.
The boy was being held in the county jail with bail set at $10,000.
Sheriff's Detective Keith Letarski, the commander of the Bomb Squad, said a battery pack and firing wire were used to rig the pipe bombs so that they could be detonated from 15 to 20 feet away.
"This was not a firecracker," Kralik said.
A call came in to police from a park patron at 5:36 p.m. Sunday as "shots fired." The teens were taken into custody shortly after Orangetown police officers saw them in the woods.
Detective Sgt. Steven Huff of the state Park Police said it appeared the teens were experimenting with the bombs. The police were looking at a cell phone to see if it had video of the incident, and they were investigating where the explosive powder was obtained.
That the bombs were so sophisticated and that the teens were suspected of building and detonating them, Kralik said, "has caused us a great amount of concern."
Kralik, who was quick to point out that the incident was not connected to terrorism, said the teens' alleged activity should serve as a warning to local law enforcement.
"He put some thought into it," Letarski said of the bombs' creator.
Police said they were investigating how information was obtained to make the bombs, noting that some information is available on the Internet.
In addition to the Sheriff's Department and the New York State Park Police, the Orangetown Police Department and the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives are assisting with the investigation.
Huff couldn't say whether anyone else would face charges.
"It's under investigation," he said. "Anything's a possibility."
Reach Sarah Netter at snetter@lohud.com or 845-578-2433.
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at September 12, 2007 10:19 PM
My two cents...
1. WWJBD?
What Would Jack Bauer Do?
2. Do unto that terrorist what the terrorist is trying to do unto you. Put his picture on the web and we'll sniff this cowardly, civilian-killing, punk out. Put ALL the pukes on the watch-list on the web...put it in our hands!!! I will personally drive down to the local market and compare faces. I will even go into the local mosque and do the same. I DARE them to try and stop me.
Posted by: angryeagle
at September 12, 2007 10:46 PM
Greetings:
I thought that stopping on the interstate highways was supposed to be for emergency purposes only.
Posted by: 11B40
at September 12, 2007 11:08 PM
That the policeman reports the man had no camera, while the district attorney says he did have a camera, is very interesting.
It's possible the district attorney somehow got the story all garbled.
Or maybe the policeman made an unwise, snap, instinctive decision to shield the couple from the press and to not acknowledge the camera to the journalist, since the policeman perhaps believed it was totally innocent?
Posted by: traeh
at September 12, 2007 11:17 PM
It is safe to say that no one is safe anymore (Islam's on the loose and we all know what THAT means...jihad!). Likewise, it's safest to assume that this man DID have a camera and DID take pictures of this bridge and DID send the pictures he took to terror networks operating in the USA. This said, it would be prudent to keep the bridge under constant surveillence at least for the time being.
Posted by: pythagoras
at September 12, 2007 11:22 PM
maybe we need a few years of "tony soprano" types to run the US.
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer
at September 13, 2007 12:13 AM
interestinconundrum asked
What good is a terror watch list?
One could hope that "terror watch list" doesn't mean to watch the terrorists as they continue to prepare for and carry out their attacks. One could be optimistic. One could have unrealistically high expectations.
Posted by: special_guest
at September 13, 2007 12:29 AM
pythagoras
who the s**t cares? does you r family? mine consider me as some kind of nut job, my friends? one is a commie the other family type who don't give a sh*t. MSM certainly don't give a crap, unless it's another airstrike on a family of muslims going to a wedding, not mentioning the trunk load of mortar shells in their car primed to detonate in front of the newly arrived american marines.
no one , NO ONE, gives a shit, ooops didnt censor that one! msm ignored the stormtroopers kicking shit out of european members of parliament exercising their freedom of protest (even freedom to walk on that road at that time). NO ONE cares about you pythagoras, they could string you up, and prolly will, and NO ONE will give a shit. welcome to the 21st century. im drunk, and i'm done with life. it's a downward path from now on, mass terror attacks, revolution, military control and totalitarianism. life sucks.
enjoy our freedom whilst it lasts. me? im done with everything.
at September 13, 2007 12:32 AM
This is obviously a case of terrorismphobia on the part of the police officer. The officer was unfairly targeting this terrorist purely on the basis that he's a terrorist. It's a civil rights issue. This man needs to be the Rosa Parks of terrorists, and stand up for the right of all terrorists to scout out the location of their next attack. This is the land of freedom, especially the freedom to destroy freedom. Terrorists just want to be left alone to live out their terrorist-lifestyle. Time for sensitivity training for this extreme right-wing officer.
Posted by: special_guest
at September 13, 2007 12:50 AM
“The chairman of the National Transportation Safety Board, Mark V. Rosenker, said investigators had questioned employees of Progressive Contractors Inc., which was doing work on the bridge deck, regarding quantities of various materials, specific equipment they had put on the bridge, and where the materials and equipment were on the bridge.”
-The New Duranty Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/06/us/06collapse.html?ex=1189828800&en=290f90f08491e7f3&ei=5070
Mark V. Rosenker of Virginia was sworn in as the 11th Chairman of the National Transportation Safety Board on August 11, 2006. He had been serving as Acting Chairman since March 2005.
Prior to his White House appointment, Mr. Rosenker was Managing Director of the Washington, DC office for the United Network for Organ Sharing (UNOS).
Mr. Rosenker's interest and experience in transportation safety dates back more than three decades to his time at a major national public affairs organization. His clients there included the American Safety Belt Council, the Motorcycle Safety Foundation, and the Safety Helmet Council of America. He later served as Director of Communications for the American Moped/Motorized Bicycle Association.
http://www.ntsb.gov/Abt_NTSB/bios/rosenker.htm
at September 13, 2007 1:39 AM
In Britain, the British National Party wishes to offer generous financial incentives to Muslims in order for them to return to their homelands.
Perhaps we should provide all Muslims in the West with this opportunity, in response to their wonderful hospitality in continually inviting us to become good Muslims.
If they refuse our generosity, instead of making them " muslim dhimmis" or beheading them, I think Westerners should consider having them forcibly removed with new legislation.
These medieval "zoids" are NOT GOING TO CHANGE THEIR MINDS or their belief system and plans for Islam and Sharia law in the West.
After all, once they are back in the desert, they won't have any material distractions or Western interference and they can worship Allah 24/7...as they do now whilst on benefits in the UK.
Posted by: Richard the Lionheart
at September 13, 2007 7:17 AM
The USA will never be defeated by the followers of a pillaging paedophile desert businessman......remember the words in a song by a certain J Cash......."there ain't nothin that's ever been found thats stronger than LOVE."
......and muslims don't know the meaning of the word.
Posted by: Richard the Lionheart
at September 13, 2007 7:26 AM
"What Would Jack Bauer Do?"
Basic Truths About 24's Jack Bauer
Killing Jack Bauer doesn't make him dead. It just makes him angry.
If Jack Bauer was in a room with Hitler, Stalin, and Nina Meyers, and he had a gun with 2 bullets, he'd shoot Nina twice.
If you wake up in the morning, it's because Jack Bauer spared your life.
Superman wears Jack Bauer pajamas.
If it tastes like chicken, looks like chicken, and feels like chicken, but Jack Bauer says its beef. Then you better believe it's beef.
Jack Bauer once forgot where he put his keys. He then spent the next half-hour torturing himself until he gave up the location of the keys.
1.6 billion Chinese are angry with Jack Bauer. Sounds like a fair fight.
Let's get one thing straight: the only reason you are conscious right now is because Jack Bauer does not feel like carrying you.
Jack Bauer was never addicted to heroin. Heroin was addicted to Jack Bauer.
Jack Bauer played Russian Roulette with a fully loaded gun and won.
When life gave Jack Bauer lemons, he used them to kill terrorists. Jack Bauer hates lemonade.
Jack Bauer once won a game of Connect 4 in 3 moves.
Osama bin Laden's recent proposal for truce is a direct result of him finding out that Jack Bauer is, in fact, still alive.
Jack Bauer is the leading cause of death in Middle Eastern men.
Jack Bauer doesn't miss. If he didn't hit you it's because he was shooting at another terrorist twelve miles away.
When Jack Bauer was a child, he made his mother finish his vegetables.
Jack Bauer killed 93 people in just 4 days time. Wait, that is a real fact.
Simon Says should be renamed to Jack Bauer Says because if Jack Bauer says something then you better do it.
Jack Bauer won the Tour de France on a unicycle to prove to Lance Armstrong it wasn't a big deal. He thinks yellow wristbands are gay.
When Jack Bauer pissses into the wind, the wind changes direction.
Jack Bauer's favorite color is severe terror alert red. His second favorite color is violet, but just because it sounds like violent.
When you open a can of whoop-ass, Jack Bauer jumps out.
When Google can't find something, it asks Jack Bauer for help.
You can lead a horse to water. Jack Bauer can make him drink.
Jack Bauer can get McDonald's breakfast after 10:30.
When the boogie man goes to sleep, he checks his closet for Jack Bauer.
Every mathematical inequality officially ends with "
In 96 hours, Jack Bauer has killed 93 people and saved the world 4 times. What the hell have you done with your life?
Jesus died and rose from the dead in 3 days. It took Jack Bauer less than an hour. And he's done it twice.
Jack Bauer killed so many terrorists that at one point, the #5 CIA Most Wanted fugitive was an 18-year-old teenager in Malaysia who downloaded the movie Dodgeball.
In kindergarten, Jack Bauer killed a terrorist for Show and Tell.
What color is Jack Bauer's blood? Trick question. Jack Bauer does not bleed.
Guns dont kill people, Jack Bauer kills people.
If Jack and MacGyver were locked in a room together, Jack would make a bomb out of MacGyver and get out.
People with amnesia still remember Jack Bauer.
Sun Tzu once wrote, "If your enemy is weaker, conquer him. If he is stronger, join him. If he is Jack Bauer, you're f***ing dead."
Jack Bauer literally died for his country, and lived to tell about it.
Jack Bauer has been to Mars. That's why there's no life on Mars.
Superman's only weakness is Kryptonite. Jack Bauer laughs at Superman for having a weakness.
When Batman is in trouble, he turns on the Jack
Bauer signal.
It took Jack Bauer two minutes to beat a confession out of OJ.
If Jack Bauer was gay, his name would be Chuck Norris.
The bumper sticker on Jesus's car reads, "WWJBD?"
Jack Bauer was conceived by torturing the other sperm until they gave up the location of the egg.
After 7 minutes of interrogation at the hands of Jack Bauer, Tom Cruise admitted that he was gay.
Jack Bauer's family threw him a surprise birthday party when he was a child. Once.
at September 13, 2007 9:47 AM
hey leon - you okay? I'm concerned about you. Now is not the time to give up - that's just letting them win before we even have the real fight!
Posted by: mepeteart
at September 13, 2007 11:04 AM
I heard my country calling, away across the sea,
Across the waste of waters she calls and calls to me.
Her sword is girded at her side, her helmet on her head,
And round her feet are lying the dying and the dead.
I hear the noise of battle, the thunder of her guns,
I haste to thee my mother, a son among thy sons.
Posted by: exsgtbrown
at September 13, 2007 11:21 AM
Leon?
Mepeteart is right...hold on until the real fight! Don't give up on us now...the real fight's when it gets good!
My offer for ya: I'll let you know where to be to fight side-by-side with me. Sound like a plan?
We're here for ya when you're down...okay?
Maybe you could go to HotAir for some laughs...there's a few really weird videos that are funny.
Posted by: Miss_Anthrope
at September 13, 2007 1:28 PM
Leon,
It's always tiring at times...how the hell do ya think we guys who devoted a career fighting this shit felt at times?...exguasted, tired, discouraged.
It comes with the territory, my friend.
It's also what they want...they don't want to attack you when you're at your best-they want to attack when you're at your weakest, when you're exhausted, and worn down.
We fight it every day...because it's here everyday.
I've been fighting it since the 1970s...and I've felt that way many a time...but when I do I think about my family, my kids, and inevitable grandkids-I'm not about to give in.
Remember the lone guy in Tienanmen Square.
Remember what we're fighting against...
for all intents and purposes, it's the proverbial "pale horse", and all of his minions.
It's a fight I wouldn't want to miss for the world.
Screw consensus, and screw peers if they don't like it.
"Consensus is the negation of Leadership"
(Margaret Thatcher)
"True Leadership means making decisions which aren't always going to prove popular to your subordinates/peers."
(US Naval Academy Post-Grad, Monterey, CA)
Always fight for what you believe in...for what you do in life echoes an eternity.
Stand your ground,
never say die.
Don't let them win.
Posted by: jcom972
at September 13, 2007 2:19 PM
Don't worry, Leon is okay. Too much work, travel, lack of sleep and alcohol last night took its toll. (I talked to him last night).
You guys are great to be so concerned!
Posted by: atheling
at September 13, 2007 3:53 PM
jack bauer would kick my ass if he could see me now! what a silly world.
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer
at September 14, 2007 12:15 AM
I don't think anyone else has made the connection, but Stroudsburg PA is near to where the Jersey Jihad 6 (who planned the Fort Dix assault) rented a home in a vacation community in Gouldsboro, Monroe county PA. Nearby in Monroe Co. is the Tobyhanna Army Depot.
Rockland Co, NY has a large if not the largest Jewish, Orthodox and Hasidic communities.
Northern New Jersey has a lot of Muslim communities. Its probably only a matter of time internet trained 'homegrown' Jihadists do something in greater metropolotan area or its suburbs. Let's not even speculate about the mall capital of the world Paramus, NJ...
Posted by: GreatShaitan
at September 14, 2007 10:01 AM
Richard the Lionheart-
A free revised Koran (with the violent suras changed to read: "Give hugs and butterflies to members of all other religions" as needed) should be all of the incentive dispensed to Muslims who want to return to Mecca permanently.
The Saudis have enough money.
Let them feed their faithful.
Leon-
I know the feeling. Rent a Marx Brothers' movie.
Preferably "Horsefeathers".
It's going to get tougher before enough wake.
Maybe your laughter will rouse a few.
Posted by: profitsbeard
at September 14, 2007 10:38 AM
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