"Bin Laden's ratings jumped to 70 per cent in the Islamist-ruled North West Frontier Province."

....sounds like a target rich environment....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at September 13, 2007 9:56 AM

What a shocker

Posted by: Elric66 at September 13, 2007 10:00 AM

Elric66,

Did you have a long weekend in Brussels?

I, too, am shocked about this news. Almost as shocked as I was to learn that hunting season started early in upper midwest.

Posted by: CapitalistGig at September 13, 2007 10:05 AM

Vandalism at the Vietnam War Memorial

Posted by: Lumpy at September 13, 2007 10:08 AM

Actually I was in Chicago on leave. I Wish I could have been in Brussels with my anti-dhimmi brothers and sisters.

I miss anything while I was gone?

Posted by: Elric66 at September 13, 2007 10:09 AM

Only some idiotic posts on the Brussels thread about Christianity being just as bad as jihadism, etc. It wouldn't have bothered me if it had not been 9/11.

Posted by: CapitalistGig at September 13, 2007 10:12 AM

No surprise CG. That blog I am commenting on tries to sell the same lies. Actually some others on here comment on his blog too.

Posted by: Elric66 at September 13, 2007 10:14 AM

I've seen that blog and the "pearls" are being cast before swine.

Posted by: CapitalistGig at September 13, 2007 10:16 AM

This was posted Sept 12 by special-guest.The link is up also. At first I thought it was a joke,,

No surprises at all.

The saudias and the pakistanis are such great allies. NOT!

"Saudi Arabia and Pakistan: with friends and strong allies like these, how could we lose?
Posted by: special_guest [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 12, 2007 2:55 AM"

Posted by: Gramfan at September 13, 2007 10:23 AM

Mr. Spencer: If you've noted this before, please forgive...I was reading on a muslim's site [(Inshaa'Allaah'Shaheed Wordpress site) which I linked to from "Weasle Zippers" (found via YOUR site...ah, the rabbit holes we fall down...)]

"Allah the Almighty says:

Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur’an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme. Quran 9:111"

I couldn't help but notice the Koran citation of "9:111" Is this a verse used to set the timing for the Sept. 11th, 2001 attacks?

Again, I apologize if you've written of this before. [p.s. Am in the midst of 'Religion of Peace?' Thanks for all your courageous work.]

Posted by: wholebrainer at September 13, 2007 10:50 AM

I demand free elections!

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at September 13, 2007 10:59 AM

OT? Perhaps.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Authorities shut down a terminal at Detroit Metropolitan Airport on Thursday after finding a suspicious package, according to media reports.

Airport spokesman Michael Conway said the package was found on the third level of the McNamara Terminal in a place where deliveries are made, according to television station Local 4.

Authorities were evacuating people from a perimeter around the area, which includes a hotel, it said.

CNN identified it as a Northwest Airlines terminal.
===============
In Michiganistan! Imagine that!

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at September 13, 2007 11:08 AM

Here's the link to above post Re: Suspicious package at Detroil airport

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070913/us_nm/security_detroit_dc

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at September 13, 2007 11:10 AM

Bin Laden / Musharraf Poll - PDF of results

http://www.terrorfreetomorrow.org/upimagestft/Pakistan%20Poll%20Report.pdf

Posted by: jeffreyimm at September 13, 2007 11:34 AM

The genesis of the poll should be different.

Which of these two have been more successfull at dodging bullets or other forms of termination(assassin or otherwise) ?

Would say that Ooosama has been, but then he has an unfair advantage because he's likely getting Saudi petrodollar help from somewhere, whereas Musharraf has to lean heavily on his military buddy ties, which can only be so helpful.

Heres hoping Musharraf lives and Ooosama bites the dust soon, with extreme prejudice.

Posted by: dgene at September 13, 2007 11:39 AM

Osama has an atomic umbrella of protection in Pakistan, why are we even kidding ourselves here. Soon all of Islam will be able to attack at will when Iran gets its umbrella .... not good. Germany just lifted sanctions against Iran by the way. We are fooked.

Posted by: Ameriki at September 13, 2007 11:56 AM

Is there a video or web statement quotation of that snake Ibrahim Hooper of CAIR justifying the mistreatment of the Korean Christians at the hands of the Taliban ?

Your day is coming Ibrahim, when you will be recognized for who and what you are.

(Is there anything more risible than Cat Stevens trying to write songs of devotion and peace for islam and trying to market it, most likely to Western dhimmis ??? Cant he get any muslims to sing "Peace Train" ?)

Posted by: dgene at September 13, 2007 12:11 PM

Bush and Congress have lower ratings in the US than Musharraf and bin Laden in Pakistan. Bin Laden and Musharraf support arranged marriages between the US and Pakistan as family reunification. So do Bush and Congress, its current law.

Pat Buchanan is considering running for Senator in Virginia. Go Pat Go. More power to Tancredo and Duncan Hunter.

Posted by: Old Atlantic at September 13, 2007 12:22 PM

http://sun.cair.com/ArticleDetails.aspx?mid1=777&&ArticleID=23042&&name=n&&currPage=1

Check out this posting by CAIR , while they claim to denounce Terorism they have revised History by once again calling 9/11 a "Tragic Event" as if it was a Tsunami or Earth-Quake .
Plus they actually post the OBL video that calls for Muslims to unite in Jihad to murder westerners , and please note how CAIR also re-wrote History about their Press-release on 9/12/01 which DID NOT originally condemn the Muslim hijackers as CAIR now claims.

CAIR focused on a fear of "Backlash" (which never happened)for 9/11 and asserted that Americans shouldn't rush to Judgement to blame a minority group as the scapegoat for their anger , and for almost 3 years CAIR denied Islam or Muslims had anything to do with 9/11.

What slimeballs and weasels at CAIR that bitch about a Quran in the aptly placed toilet which became a Hate-Crime and yet Ibrahim Hooper goes on a Arab based News media to condone the murders and abuse to the Korean Christians who were at fault for going to a Muslim nation to spread the Word of the prophet Jesus.
Amazing how the feminists and gays have embraced the Whahabbism from CAIR and their ilk in the Mosques and yet they will be the first ones to be publicly executed once Hooper gets his Sharia Law and a Imam leader in a USA Caliphate .

Know Islam - No Peace
No CAIR - Don't Care

Posted by: ala-sux at September 13, 2007 12:31 PM

Pat Buchanan is considering running for Senator in Virginia. Go Pat Go. More power to Tancredo and Duncan Hunter.

Posted by: Old Atlantic at September 13, 2007 12:22 PM

I agree with tancredo and hunter but Pat is nothing more than a Ron Paul.

Posted by: Elric66 at September 13, 2007 12:36 PM

This poll is compounded by the fact that our president also loves our enemy. He meets with them. He prays with them in the White House and in their mosques. I celebrates Ramadan and Iftar with them. He kisses them at his Crawford, Texas ranch. Bush assures our enemies that "Islam is peace," etc. Is it any wonder we are in the predicament?

Posted by: monk at September 13, 2007 1:20 PM

This poll is compounded by the fact that our president also loves our enemy. He meets with them. He prays with them in the White House and in their mosques. He celebrates Ramadan and Iftar with them. He kisses them at his Crawford, Texas ranch (Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz). Bush assures our enemies that "Islam is peace," etc. Is it any wonder we are in the predicament?

Posted by: monk at September 13, 2007 1:21 PM

Elric66,
What Nazi criminal did Patrich Buchanan not defend?

Posted by: monk at September 13, 2007 1:25 PM

Dhimmis: We Should Consider Talking to Al-Qaeda

http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2007/09/dhimmis-we-shou.html

My God, have we no moral core at all?

Posted by: Elric66 at September 13, 2007 1:26 PM

Elric66,
What Nazi criminal did Patrich Buchanan not defend?

Posted by: monk at September 13, 2007 1:25 PM

Im not sure, probaly none.

Posted by: Elric66 at September 13, 2007 1:29 PM

Old Atlantic

Pat Buchanan has been a long time supporter of Islam and the Palis, in addition to being a Jew baiter - almost in the D'Souza mold. In fact, the only thing that makes me pause about Tancredo is Bay Buchanan's heading his campaign.

We don't need a Christian Keith Ellison in the senate.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at September 13, 2007 1:38 PM

Old Atlantic

Pat Buchanan has been a long time supporter of Islam and the Palis, in addition to being a Jew baiter (calling for a termination of aid to Israel, but no such calls re: Egypt or Jordan) - in the D'Souza mold, he too supports the view that the culture is responsible for Islamic resentments. In fact, the only thing that makes me pause about Tancredo is Bay Buchanan's heading his campaign.

We don't need a Christian Keith Ellison in the senate.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at September 13, 2007 1:40 PM

Osama has consistently been more popular in Pakistan from day one before September 11 - not only because of his anti-US stance, but also because of his open support to the Jihad against India. Pakis love him for that.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at September 13, 2007 1:42 PM

Yes, and pakistanis are our best friends and allies. It’s like if you had a friend who is plotting and planning to steal your house,wife, and family. With friend like these who needs enemies?

Posted by: desidude at September 13, 2007 1:45 PM

We don't need a Christian Keith Ellison in the senate.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at September 13, 2007 1:38 PM

I wouldnt compare Buchanon as a Christian Keith Ellison. He is a Jew hater and IMHO, real Christians arent Jew haters.

Posted by: Elric66 at September 13, 2007 1:46 PM

Elric66,
What Nazi criminal did Patrich Buchanan not defend?>>>

Karl Linnas? John Demjanjuk?

(UPI) --- White House aid Pat Buchanan asked Attorney General Edwin Meese III recently to block the deportation of an accused Nazi war criminal to the Soviet Union where he faces certain death, sources said Thursday.

Friday, February 13, 1987

Posted by: monk at September 13, 2007 1:48 PM

I hope to God, Robert Spencer is not a Patick Buchanan supporter or a Mel Gibson supporter.

Are you Robert? I hope not.

Posted by: monk at September 13, 2007 1:55 PM

It can therefore be safely assumed that one out of two Pakistani "immigrants" to any Western country harbors extreme sympathy for Looney-bin Laden and should therefore be excluded from entry to our peaceful nations.

Now who is going to figure out which one of every two Paks is the peaceful one?

Do we owe them to even attempt to make that distinction?!

When I see what is going on in England where they suffer most under an onslaught of Pak dreck I have to say the answer is that we must exclude all persons from Pak.

That goes for SOWdi Barbaria which supplied 15/19 kamikaze pilots on 9/11.

This morning they had some NGO on "n"pr who are actively campaigning to bring in iraqi "refugees"

I think they should be assigned custody of these "refugees" and they should be made to take out insurance policies on any "refugees" they manage to get into the country. Plus they should be held criminally liable for any criminal deeds performed by these "refugees" and their kin on innocent and unsuspecting Americans.

Better to simply LOCK IT DOWN and exclude all moslems. That way we will have 100% peace.

Posted by: Allahfanculo at September 13, 2007 2:02 PM

Naseem -- did this survey reach your front door? If so, how did you vote?

Posted by: champ at September 13, 2007 2:23 PM

I agree with tancredo and hunter but Pat is nothing more than a Ron Paul.

Posted by: Elric66

Maybe, but is he worse than Mark Warner? Geez...what options Virginny has for the Senate next year.

Posted by: Miss_Anthrope at September 13, 2007 2:35 PM

Any word from the Islamic Emirate of Northern Waziristan? I'm so disappointed at the lack of attention paid to this the world's newest nation.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at September 13, 2007 2:55 PM

Completely OT

To those that are still in a state of disbelief regarding the actions of the Belgian authorities regarding the break up of the SIOE demonstration on the 11th.

Heres a little taste of the kind of demo they do allow.

http://exileonthewing.wordpress.com/2007/09/13/and-im-the-extremist/

Posted by: km at September 13, 2007 3:02 PM

Also o/t;
A man with a turbine, assault rifle, and bullet proof vest is having an inner personal struggle right now in Miami. Four police down.

Posted by: pez at September 13, 2007 3:04 PM

When the heroes of the Muslim world are men like Muhammad, bin-Laden, Arafat and Khomeini, I don't really see how anyone can miss the obvious problem.

Talk about your bad role-models...

Posted by: Foehammer at September 13, 2007 3:29 PM

OT: BTW, the killer in Miami is black with a full beard in addition to the AK-47 (and other weapons), a bullet proof vest and the obvious ability to shoot what he aims at.

Yes, I'm already thinking this is more than it first appears, and one report said a member of Homeland Security was working with local police in Miami.

Nothing to make this a jihad terror incident yet, but -- keep your eyes and ears open.

Posted by: Foehammer at September 13, 2007 3:32 PM

Foehammer.. the guy is probably a graduate of Camp islamberg in upstate New York.

I am going to learn the use of weapons too. I am NOT going to let some punk like that shoot me without returning fire!

WHEN are we going to CLOSE these islamo-camps??!!

Posted by: Allahfanculo at September 13, 2007 3:47 PM

(PLEASE POST THIS ANNOUNCEMENT AT OTHER WEBSITES)

The U.S. Senate Project (an initiative to increase congressional awareness of the nature and goals of jihad) currently has 84 volunteers in 39 states.

WE ARE STILL SEEKING ADDITIONAL CITIZEN VOLUNTEERS FROM ALL 50 STATES, ESPECIALLY THE FOLLOWING 12:

Connecticut
Delaware
Hawaii
Kansas
Mississippi
Montana
North Dakota
Oklahoma
South Dakota
Vermont
West Virginia
Wyoming

THE PROJECT: We're looking for people in every state of the Union who would be willing to purchase, from Amazon or any other source, a copy of Robert Spencer's new book Religion of Peace? Why Christianity Is And Islam Isn't and mail it, on an agreed upon date, to one of the senators in your state. We want to get the book simultaneously to all 100 senators, in order to send a strong message. If we get more than two people per state, books can also be sent to the U.S. House of Representatives.

If you'd like to participate (or you just have questions), please write to me at traehnam@yahoo.com under the subject heading "Senate," and tell me the state your senator represents, and a nickname. No need for your real name. And I will never share your email address with anyone, not even with other volunteers for this project.

And visit jihadawareness.blogspot.com to get more info on this project and to leave comments other volunteers can read. You can also see there the growing list of participants in this project, and the states their senators represent. I've also designed a graphic that might amuse. Scroll down when you get to the site.

Once we have at least two people from every state, we can agree on a mailing date and then each of us can mail a copy of the book on that date.

Right before each of us mails the book, we can issue a press release to various media outlets in every state, and in that way announce and explain the mailing. And perhaps we can come up with some other ways of maximizing the effectiveness of this project and gaining as much positive attention as possible.

One of the project's volunteers suggested contacting Rep. Sue Myrick, who started the Anti-Jihad Caucus in Congress. I'll try to coordinate this project with Rep. Myrick to maximize its effectiveness. I've also been calling various congressional offices to get advice on how best to go about the project.

Posted by: traeh at September 13, 2007 3:57 PM

What better than way to make the creator, Saudi Arabia and sustainer, Pakistan, fake allies in a phony war? Every day, it is something new with Bush stabbing America in the back. Saudi Arabia and Pakistan have been faking support on the phony 'war on terror' that Bush started to help his wahhabbi friends while keping Bin Laden safe and sound. What better than way to make the creator, Saudi Arabia and sustainer, Pakistan, fake allies in a phony war? But the lies are showing through. Every day, it is something new with Bush stabbing America in the back. Generations to come will wonder how Bush was allowed to destroy USofA, so openly, systematically and with impunity. This is why, America needs a straight-talking, candid and forthright statesman like Tom Tancredo in the white house: http://www.teamtancredo.typepad.com Only Tom, among all the candidates, are genuinly looking out for American future and heritage.

Americans better learn to distinguish between a smooth-talking, opportunist, slimy, sell-out politician and a genuine, well-meaning, patriotic statesman. Their lives and their kids's future depends on it. In some ways, Tom Tancredo is their only hope.

Posted by: Alert at September 13, 2007 4:04 PM

monk said

I hope to God, Robert Spencer is not a Patick Buchanan supporter or a Mel Gibson supporter.

I like the fact that Robert doesn't wear his politics on his sleeve, because it would just cause division on irrelevant topics. Suppose Robert was a Patrick Buchanan supporter, and he said what he says about Islam? Would his support for Buchanan somehow invalidate what he says about Islam? Not really, but it would sure get the supporters for every other political candidate arguing here that their candidate is better. More than they do already.

Posted by: special_guest at September 13, 2007 4:06 PM

From the longer version of this article (and no, this is not a joke):

There were a few bright spots in the poll results, however. [...] a majority of Pakistanis said their opinion of the United States would improve if, among other things, there were increases in American aid to Pakistan, American business investments and the number of visas issued for Pakistanis to work in the United States.

So, don't give up people. If we just increase our jizya, I mean aid, to Pakistan, and don't place any limits on their ability to invade, I mean emigrate to, our country, THEY COULD LIKE US! They could really like us! Don't change course now, we're so close to winning over their hearts and minds! I'm blushing and getting all giddy at the thought!

gramfan, I know how you feel. I had to check it a few times to make sure I wasn't looking at The Onion.

Posted by: special_guest at September 13, 2007 4:24 PM

Australia: Islamic Students Spreading Hate

http://sheikyermami.com/2007/09/13/islamic-students-spreading-hate/

Open letter to Mr. Terry Davis, Secretary General of the Council of Europe
http://sheikyermami.com/2007/09/13/open-letter-to-mr-terry-davis-secretary-general-of-the-council-of-europe/

In February 2006 Fat Freddy tolerated a demo organized by his Muslim friends that called for ‘Death to the Jewish Dogs’

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at September 13, 2007 4:37 PM

"Nothing to make this a jihad terror incident yet, but -- keep your eyes and ears open.

Posted by: Foehammer"

...reports are coming in now, there were two shooters, not one....

....the second shooter is younger and reminds me of Lee Malvo, one of the DC snipers....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at September 13, 2007 4:45 PM

Eric66mAwake I posted this on http://eaglespearlsofwisdom.wordpress.com/2007/09/12/reform-in-islam/#comment-498 this was his reply:

Eagle Says:
September 13th, 2007 at 3:51 pm
Ameriki,

Before I post your comments, who are you? I see where you are coming from. And I am not impressed. Post your answer in the comment thread and I will see it in moderation form.

Who am I ... I'm a Jew right? Why can he not let me be posted and judged? "And I am not impressed." Nothing more to say than that huh? Pretty easy retort huh?

It is clearly within Islamic jurisprudence to engage in offensive military Jihad to convert, subjugate, or kill all non-Muslims. It is explained thusly : There is a concept called “Abrogation” in the Qur’an, and that is: The Qur’an was (supposedly) revealed to Muhammad in a sequence of events, the latter verses supercede and nullifies the earlier verses. Out of the whole Qur’an, there are 124 verses that teach some tolerance towards non-Muslims…but here is the striking fact….all of these verses are void, and were abrogated by the last verse (supposedly) revealed upon Muhammad, and that is verse 9:5 “Fight and slay the pagans [Christians] wherever ye find them and seize them, confine them, and lie in wait for them in every place of ambush” (Surah 9:5). Suyuti (One of the most respected authorities in Islam) in his book “Istenbat al tanzeel” says: “Every thing in the Qur’an about forgiveness is abrogated by verse 9:5.”Al-Shawkani in his book “Alsaylu Jarar” (4:518-519) says: “Islam is unanimous about fighting the unbelievers and forcing them to Islam or submitting and paying Jiziah (special tax paid only by Christians or Jews) or being killed. [The verses] about forgiving them are abrogated unanimously by the obligation of fighting in any case.” Finally here is what Muhammad the prophet of Islam himself said: Ibn Haban in his Sahih, vol. 14, p. 529, narrates: Muhammad said: “I swear by Him who has my soul in his hands, I was sent to you with nothing but slaughter.” This concept in Islam is regarded my most scholars in the Islamic world, as a pretext for global war in the name of Islam. These are not my words, as they come within Islam itself. Simple research on the reader’s part will confirm what Islam means for you in the west, if we take as example how minorities of the Islamic world are treated. Trust me the truth is out there google Coptic+Christians+Egypt and explore a whole new world of repression, hate, and discrimination that will blow your mind. This is what Europeans will be giving to their children if you follow current demographic models. The moral equivalence, and relativism to Christianity is intellectually disingenuous and a complete red herring, and will be the death of us all if we cannot get Muslims to face the ugliness that resides within their faith. Honestly, name one Muslim majority country where minorities can live freely, and free of oppression? Please do it for me, because you can’t, and you know it! Should we in the west allow immigration from Muslims countries while this is going on? I want to see one Muslim come on here and honestly refute what I have said without using relativistic mantras, honestly deny the fact that a LARGE element within your faith uses these ideas to promote an imperialistic agenda. Until Muslims can come to grip with the harsh facts then the answer is no, because we are also importing these socially repugnant ideas along with them. If you look at population demographics in Europe what honest answer would lead me to believe that native Europeans could live like they do as minorities in their own countries?

Posted by: Ameriki at September 13, 2007 5:21 PM

Just a short comment here about Pat Buchanan. Among his other dubious positions, he has tended to be an apologist for Vladimir Putin, someone whom I once thought might take Russia further along the road to freedom, democracy and constructive engagement with the West, but who has rather, as the years have gone by, helped confirm that the old maxim, "once KGB, always KGB," is only too true. Putin has been cozy with Hezbollah and Iran, has manifested a decided inclination to think in terms of spheres of influence a la Cold War, has made crazy claims about the North Pole region, has compared American foreign policy to that of Nazi Germany and has been a blackmailer of sorts with many Western business interests in Russia, for instance British Petroleum (BP). Oh yeah, I almost forgot, many of his critics have turned up dead. Yet Buchanan doesn't seem to care about most or all of these disturbing antics by Putin. I know this if off topic somewhat but whatever's the matter with America, I don't think old Pat can fix it.

Posted by: Wellington at September 13, 2007 5:39 PM

special_guest wrote:
"So, don't give up people. If we just increase our jizya, I mean aid, to Pakistan, and don't place any limits on their ability to invade, I mean emigrate to, our country, THEY COULD LIKE US! They could really like us! Don't change course now, we're so close to winning over their hearts and minds! I'm blushing and getting all giddy at the thought!"
Despite your facetiousness, it's amazing how many people here actually believe this too. It's the old Lefty Double-Dip:
You get to enjoy the freedom that others have won through sacrifice and vigilance, AND you get that self-satisfied feeling that you are somehow more pure and smarter and more above it all than the rest of us who actually know what it takes to keep our country free.

And fyi...I HATE The Onion. Smug juvenile elitist smart-asses.

Sheik yer mami:
That story on those Islo-monkey "students" in Australia is quite disturbing. Got me to thinking of the parallels between these goons and the student uprisings in the U.S. in the 60s. Obviously quite different agendas, but the blind fervor and passion (along with a great deal of reckless ignorance) are exactly the same.
I'm more and more convinced: too bad for those Muslims who ARE actually "peaceful" and we've all heard the cries that a "few bad Muslims" (actually there are hundreds of millions) cannot ruin it for the rest of them. Well, YES, they can, they will, and they have. They are pushing the world to the brink of WWIII. Shut them down now or everyday the beast we will have to kill grows stronger.

Posted by: JohnAdams at September 13, 2007 6:08 PM

Ameriki

A real winner isnt he? I think he is on CAIR's payroll. He is just too intellectually dishonest to be just naive.

Posted by: Elric66 at September 13, 2007 6:24 PM

I've just had a horrible thought what if bin Laden was to run for president of Pakistan and win he then would have a diplomatic immunity plus access to Pakistan's nukes and is just nutty enough to use them on Israel and the USA
maybe we should let the barbarians of Al Qaeda have Afghanistan and Pakistan but bomb them back to the seventh century they longed to be in no foreign aid no modern medicines no Internet no weapons but Spears swords and bows and arrows and see how long they last

Posted by: mowasaperv at September 13, 2007 6:34 PM

If a Western government appoints a Muslim to the judiciary, will they shelve Sharia interests?

http://www.gnn.gov.uk/Content/Detail.asp?ReleaseID=177612&NewsAreaID=2

Go to page 2, and see the secular judge's article,
"A Judge's View on Medical Ethics, Children and its Role Within English law and Shar'iah."

http://www.mdda.org.uk/web/events/Conferences/Children%20Ethics%20Seminar/MDDA%20and%20AML.pdf

See Constitution of group for UK Muslim doctors.

Posted by: supercargo at September 13, 2007 6:47 PM

Need this:

http://www.mdda.org.uk/web/constitution.php

Posted by: supercargo at September 13, 2007 6:48 PM

Pat Buchanan is a controversial person and I don't deny any person their right to have a strong opinion on them. I searched Buchanan "Jew hater" and looked at some of the hits to try to find out what specifically the claim was. I didn't really find what I hoped for in terms of specificity.

But let me add this small comment. After I vote, I feel my vote made a difference. After I contribute money, I feel my contribution made a difference. After I write a blog entry, I feel my blog entry made a difference. After I called my senator's offices over and over this summer against the immigration bill I felt my call made a difference.

Now if someone wrote, Old Atlantic made a difference, I can't really call them an Old Atlantic hater.

Buchanan votes, I assume, makes contributions, writes I know, and may call his senator once and a while. He presumably feels he makes a difference each time he does. His whole career has been in politics or journalism and it would be natural that he believes his actions have made a difference.

Its also natural that he would think others who vote, lobby, call senators, writer letters, make contributions make a difference.

One can argue its an illusion to think your vote, etc. make a difference. But collectively they do.
If you feel your vote, contributions, calls, writing, etc. make a difference, its illogical to call people haters for saying you are right.

Isn't that much of the basis of calling Buchanan and Walt and Mearsheimer haters? BWM say that voting, lobbying, etc. by those they criticize matters. Those they criticize answer back what? No it doesn't, that's why I'm writing back?

Those who have never voted, contributed money, written a letter to the editor or blogged, called their senator or ever participated can logically say that people who think that their efforts matter are wrong. But I hardly think those who never participate and think those who do don't matter are the ethical ones, and those who are deluded into thinking every vote, blog, phone call, etc. makes a difference somehow are the ones who are the haters.

Posted by: Old Atlantic at September 13, 2007 6:52 PM

Mufti Freddy Thielemans & Terry Davis, useful idiot and Islamic Apparatchik of the EUSSR: Whoring for the caliphate

http://sheikyermami.com/2007/09/13/open-letter-to-mr-terry-davis-secretary-general-of-the-council-of-europe/

Anti-Islam demo banned, n February 2006 Fat Freddy tolerated a demo organized by his Muslim friends that called for ‘Death to the Jewish Dogs’ Death to the Christian Dogs'-

Commies prepare the way for the caliphate

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at September 13, 2007 7:08 PM

....sounds like a target rich environment....
Posted by: exsgtbrown

I wish we could convince Gen. Petraeus and Dhimya Bush of this obvious fact :-)

Let 'er RIP!

Posted by: Allahfanculo at September 13, 2007 7:19 PM

Sounds like an "early vote" for the democratic party of the USA.

Posted by: Laughs_at_Silly_Jihadis at September 13, 2007 8:55 PM

This poll is as meaningless as one that would ask if gonorrehea or syphillis is more popular. In both polls, one loses no matter what one picks.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at September 13, 2007 9:41 PM

German converts to Islam are not a threat. They bridge Muslim and Western cultures.

So says a writer in the German dhimmi rag, der Spiegel. However, said writer is a Turk, and Turks did wonderful bridge building between cultures. Unfortunately, they built bridges with human skulls.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,505586,00.html

Posted by: supercargo at September 13, 2007 10:59 PM

What?, no Marisol at Midnight? Is it me or has the value of this site plummeted this evening?

Posted by: awake at September 14, 2007 12:17 AM

Supercargo, you have no idea how right you are. Turks really did build stuff with infidel skulls.

Posted by: SerbInfidel at September 14, 2007 2:47 AM

The more this comes out in the open, and the more "Islamic" states vote these terrorist maniacs into power, the sooner the sleepwalking denial in the West will either have to rouse or die.

Existential threats seem to be the only way to wake people.

All I hear, in general, is snoring.

From Bush on down.

Posted by: profitsbeard at September 14, 2007 10:07 AM

Sounds like an "early vote" for the democratic party of the USA.

Posted by: Laughs_at_Silly_Jihadis

quick test, who said the following?...

"More than four years have passed since the occupation of Iraq and today everyone knows that America has failed and is frantically looking for a way out,"

Hillary Clinton
Harry Reid
John Kerry
Ted Kennedy
John Murtagh
Pelosi
John Dean
Feinstein
John Edwards
Al Sharpton
Jessie Jackson
Boxer
Obama
AYATOLLAH KHEMENI OF IRAN.....

.....THE TRUTH IS ...this is a trick question....They All said it....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at September 14, 2007 12:33 PM

Id like to see that poll run in Europe.

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at September 14, 2007 4:02 PM