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Nice shot. By Uzi Mahnaimi, Sarah Baxter and Michael Sheridan in the TimesOnline (thanks to Sr. Soph):
IT was just after midnight when the 69th Squadron of Israeli F15Is crossed the Syrian coast-line. On the ground, Syria’s formidable air defences went dead. An audacious raid on a Syrian target 50 miles from the Iraqi border was under way.At a rendezvous point on the ground, a Shaldag air force commando team was waiting to direct their laser beams at the target for the approaching jets. The team had arrived a day earlier, taking up position near a large underground depot. Soon the bunkers were in flames.
Ten days after the jets reached home, their mission was the focus of intense speculation this weekend amid claims that Israel believed it had destroyed a cache of nuclear materials from North Korea.
The Israeli government was not saying. “The security sources and IDF [Israeli Defence Forces] soldiers are demonstrating unusual courage,” said Ehud Olmert, the prime minister. “We naturally cannot always show the public our cards.”
The Syrians were also keeping mum. “I cannot reveal the details,” said Farouk al-Sharaa, the vice-president. “All I can say is the military and political echelon is looking into a series of responses as we speak. Results are forthcoming.” The official story that the target comprised weapons destined for Hezbollah, the Iranian-backed Lebanese Shi’ite group, appeared to be crumbling in the face of widespread scepticism.
Andrew Semmel, a senior US State Department official, said Syria might have obtained nuclear equipment from “secret suppliers”, and added that there were a “number of foreign technicians” in the country.
Asked if they could be North Korean, he replied: “There are North Korean people there. There’s no question about that.” He said a network run by AQ Khan, the disgraced creator of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons, could be involved.
It just gets better with every paragraph.
Posted by Robert at September 16, 2007 7:36 AM
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Something to cheer us up.
No hearts, no minds, no boots kept on the ground for longer than a day. A lesson.
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at September 16, 2007 8:14 AM
If the European apologists leave israel to it's ways in dealing with terror it will actually help them.If the world allow the israelis do their job in crushing the islamic terror,the jihadi enthusiasts will die a slow and natural death.
Posted by: logicalthinker at September 16, 2007 8:18 AM
I hope this is true, even it things really 'blow up'.
(Pardon the pun).
The Syrians can't complain as then they would be admitting to having the cache.
at September 16, 2007 8:20 AM
Had to be some bad stuff for Olmert to do this.
Posted by: Elric66 at September 16, 2007 8:26 AM
"purported to be an agricultural research centre"
Are they sure it wasn't a baby milk factory?
Posted by: Kim Hartveld at September 16, 2007 8:34 AM
What nice news to wake up to.
This story has changed a half dozen times—and each time it sounds better.
Syria apparently has a kwalitie air force.
Israel, you're on a roll. How about one more:
Iranian nuke site -
33 degrees 43" 32.12" N 51 degrees 43' 41.03" E Ringed with an inner security wall and an outer band of SAM-15 sites.
33 degrees 53" 10.79" N 51 degrees 43' 41.03" E SAM-2 site protecting the airfield that serves the above nuke site.
[No guarantee this info is accurate.]
You can find anything on the internet it seems.
Posted by: St. David, King of Georgia at September 16, 2007 8:41 AM
Obviously another example of Israeli aggression against the Religion of Peace. Seriously though, I thank God that the Jewish State has the wisdom (and balls)to take care of business without waiting for the hapless UN to pass yet another useless resolution. Bravo for Israel!
Posted by: High_Peak at September 16, 2007 8:43 AM
A good muslim would blow up a kindergarten and blame the Jooozzz for it.
Where is green helmet man when you need him...?
Where is Al Bebeeceera and al Reuters..?
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at September 16, 2007 8:45 AM
Why can't we do this to Iran???? I can just see the world reaction if WE would have carried out this raid. OK Israel, that was practice. Now go take out Iranian Nuke sites. We got your back.
Posted by: billyoblog at September 16, 2007 8:51 AM
OT
I haven't been able to get to LGF for almost an hour. Is anyone else having this problem? Is it being upgraded or has it been attacked like Ali Sina's site?
at September 16, 2007 8:53 AM
Gramfan,
The hamsters seem to be asleep.
David IV of Georgia
Posted by: St. David, King of Georgia at September 16, 2007 8:59 AM
Elric66
You're right. It had to be some really, really bad shit for Olmert to OK this attack. Remember not even the bombing of a kindergarten coukd get him to respond.
Gramfan
I haven't been able to get on to LGF for a while either.
Posted by: shez at September 16, 2007 9:00 AM
PA spokeswoman Condi Rice must be upset that her US taxpayer appeasement scheme of North Korea has been exposed as the sham it is.
I hear that our plans to take out Iran's military and nuke sites over a two-three day bombing campaign have been drawn up, but now Condi has to be persuaded to go along with it.
at September 16, 2007 9:12 AM
I think that for Israel to take this kind of risk, it was no "gotcha" training/warning mission to blow a hole in empty desert as the first report I saw stated.
Something was there that Israel felt was an immediate threat. At supersonic speeds, there is only a few minutes between Damascus and Tel Aviv. There is no time to react to threats—so one must act.
Saul [King of Israel] has slain his thousands,
And David [King of Israel] his ten thousands.
-popular song circa 1020 B.C. (c. 2740 years from Creation)
at September 16, 2007 9:19 AM
This is real "Axis of Evil" stuff. It's not even job half done on this, Mr Bush.
Says an Australian..
at September 16, 2007 9:28 AM
There was no need to immediately resort to violence. They should have tried sanctios first - seriously dmaged Syria's export of insect infested dried fruit and tacky brass ashtrays and then 'discussed' it.
Posted by: poetcomic1 at September 16, 2007 9:44 AM
Bravo Israel! "May your name be written in the Book of Life!"
Posted by: witness at September 16, 2007 9:45 AM
PA spokeswoman Condi Rice must be upset that her US taxpayer appeasement scheme of North Korea has been exposed as the sham it is.
I hear that our plans to take out Iran's military and nuke sites over a two-three day bombing campaign have been drawn up, but now Condi has to be persuaded to go along with it.
Posted by: jewdog at September 16, 2007 9:12 AM
Condi has been mentally beaten into Dhimmitude. She knwos nothing but to bow to Islam, much like her master in the white house, who dances to Riyadh's tunes. Only condi does not know she is an Abidi, under pure Islam, but knowledge about Islamic deceptions is not one of Condi's sthengths; nor is it white house's. What hope does USA have?
Posted by: Alert at September 16, 2007 9:56 AM
Olmert...The 2% mans stock suddenly went to 4%.
Keep it up Olmert and you might make 10% by years end...
at September 16, 2007 9:57 AM
Thank you Israel!!! Keepin' western civ. safe 1 more day. You are a true allie, you know what needs to be done, and you have the testicular fortitude to get it done. Later on when I have a drink I'll raise my glass for our greatest friends the Israelis.
Posted by: americanmadestrat at September 16, 2007 10:05 AM
duh Swami,
If he doesn't first give away all of Israel...
Cheers
Posted by: Doctor Bulldog at September 16, 2007 10:09 AM
I guess our "peace deal" with North Korea worked out well. The nation we should be bombing is North Korea for handing out "candy" to every half-crazed muslim that walks through their door.
Posted by: greatcometof1577 at September 16, 2007 10:16 AM
Olmert should not be given credit for this. The military must have insisted. It was not anything that could wait.
Meanwhile, on the "two-state-solution" front, on the front of deluding oneself, one's people, and Infidels everywhere, that a "solution" exists that can ignore the nature, the texts, the tenets, the attitudes, the atmospherics of Islam, Olmert and his collaborators continue with the mixture as before. They harm Israel. And by misleading themselves and other Israelis, they also harm the larger Western and non-Muslim world, by failing to demand that the "Palestinians" and other Arab Muslims openly recognize and discuss the basis of Muslim treaty-making with Infidels -- the Al-Hudaibiyya Agreement -- and furthermore, openly discuss the Muslim view by which any land once part of Dar al-Islam is forever more part of Dar al-Islam. In other words, instead of ignoring these essential matters, for fear that if they are raised it will make "agreement impossible," the government of Israel -- and the government of the United States -- should openly call for a discussion of such matters.
This will force Muslims into a position of having to admit to such a position, or in having to declare that they do not hold to such a position. There has to be an open discussion of what Islam is all about, what its claims on the world are, and an end to ignorance and the making of policy on the basis of that wilful ignorance. The truth has to be recognized, has to be discussed, has to be looked at. Israel's government may find such a recognition painful, but it owes it to the people it claims to be able to protect, to face up to the matter. And in so doing, it may force the rest of the Infidel world to do so as well -- and that will be good for the Infidels, as well as for Israel, and its permanent and real -- as opposed to temporary and false -- security.
Posted by: Hugh at September 16, 2007 10:17 AM
Having known some people who "visited" N. Korea (with State Department approval), they probably are trying desperately to get money any way they can. Their isolationist communist economy is a horror. I'm not trying to defend them or take pity on them. They cannot be trusted. They are dangerous.
Posted by: St. David, King of Georgia at September 16, 2007 10:24 AM
Thank God for Israel.
Posted by: senor doeboy at September 16, 2007 10:31 AM
Right on High-Peak and billyoblog and others.
This could not be done with out the White House and our military's full knowledge.
Posted by: guide inside at September 16, 2007 10:34 AM
Hey Robert , how goes you mortgage ;-)
Posted by: PakRocks at September 16, 2007 10:55 AM
sheik yer'mami
Where is green helmet man when you need him...?
The IDF where there before he could install a protective sheild of mentally handicapped children
Posted by: shiva at September 16, 2007 11:00 AM
Hey Robert , how goes you mortgage ;-)
Posted by: PakRocks
Heh heh heh. Yes RS makes up all this bad news from allah just to make money. Heh heh heh
/sarcasm
****************************************************
Now that is the Israel I know!
Posted by: interestinconundrum at September 16, 2007 11:26 AM
Here is some music to celebrate,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8epm1aRAHFk
at September 16, 2007 11:32 AM
Hi All,
Good going Israel!
Is this practice for Iran or a warning to Iran?
Magooey
Posted by: magooey at September 16, 2007 11:36 AM
Hey Robert , how goes you mortgage ;-)
Posted by: PakRocks
PakRocks,
Did your Jihad buddies have another bad day?
at September 16, 2007 11:49 AM
Nukes in the hands of Irans more than willing proxies, Syria, and Hezbollah becomes extremely dangerous to not only the Middle east countries,but EU countries as well. One must be come extremely concerned if we see pull backs of any kind from the shared borders of Lebanon,Syria,and Gaza,and especially in the City of Damascus. Then again there is that concern that many Muslims are so steeped in their hatred of Israel because they have been indoctrinated since almost birth to do so, that they may willingly invite martyrdom. And like the suicide bombers in Iraq who kill fellow Muslims without compunction almost daily. What's the loss of a few Muslims if they can obliterate the Jewish State.
Posted by: Mackie at September 16, 2007 12:11 PM
God Bless the Isrealis for doing the right thing. :-)
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at September 16, 2007 12:18 PM
Yay Israel!!!
Now that's what I'm talkin' about!!!
Posted by: atheling at September 16, 2007 12:22 PM
Happy Ramadan, Syria.
And Mazel Tov, Israel. Good job tying Olmert to a chair while the holy work of our shared destinies is undertaken.
All the good news of late about North Korea: inspections underway, agreement to give up nuke production--all a cover for weapons transfers. How predictable, honor among thieves.
I also believe this is a strong message.
Posted by: CapitalistGig at September 16, 2007 12:28 PM
Bravo Israel!
Posted by: dcat at September 16, 2007 12:29 PM
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Posted by: traeh at September 16, 2007 12:32 PM
A good ramadam gift to Syria, Isreal kicking butt.
May Isreal have a good new year ahead.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at September 16, 2007 12:34 PM
I see a trend:
Don’t bomb Dar al-Islam and they will sit around and complain.
Bomb Dar al-Islam and they will sit around and complain.
at September 16, 2007 12:34 PM
Go Israel!!
Posted by: champ at September 16, 2007 12:37 PM
Boy, that bleary-eyed old antisemite Jimmy Carter must really be pissed.
* 2:61 * 2:64 * 2:96 * 4:41 * 4:47 * 4:55 * 4:160 * 5:13 * 5:41 * 5:59 * 17:7 * 59:2 * 88:1 *
If the Syrians do retaliate, hopefully the Jews, with the US Armed Forces behind them, will up the ante.
Or is the Islamist general Wesley Clark still in command?
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at September 16, 2007 12:47 PM
Pez for Secretary of State!
I just saw Wesley Clark (ret. NATO commander) on CNN saying the ..."Iran knew they were on our list after we attacked Iraq, and had to defend against our agressions." So Clark sides with Iran, and derides our troops, the victims of Iranian weapons. FY, Clark. Why don't you MYOFB?
He definitely needs a lesson from Pez, or immediate hanging/deportation.
Posted by: CapitalistGig at September 16, 2007 12:49 PM
Wasn't Wesley Clark in charge of bombing Serbia?? Makes me wonder whose payrol the b*assturd is on.
Posted by: Allahfanculo at September 16, 2007 12:54 PM
@Hugh:
"There has to be an open discussion of what Islam is all about, what its claims on the world are, and an end to ignorance and the making of policy on the basis of that wilful ignorance."
Amen to that. And many thanks again to Robert and Hugh and Marisol and the rest at JW/DW for what they do here, day in and day out, educating us about this barbaric and parasitic ideology that, by design, threatens every citizen with humiliating subjugation.
And eternal shame on our narcissitic academics and venal political "leaders" for utterly failing to protect our civilization from this monstrous existential threat--all you had to do was tell the truth. You have failed in your first duty.
at September 16, 2007 12:56 PM
I think so, Allahfanculo. He is nothing more than a traitorous war criminal in my sight.
In light of all we know about the contrived 'war' in the Balkans and atrocities against Serbs, Wesley Clark should hang.
Posted by: CapitalistGig at September 16, 2007 1:07 PM
CG,
Not many Democrats left that side with their country. I dont see how we can win when our own house is so divided.
Posted by: Elric66 at September 16, 2007 1:10 PM
Elric66
Our house is extremely divided, but don't you think events such as the Israeli defensive strike will sharpen the focus for some?
Posted by: CapitalistGig at September 16, 2007 1:18 PM
I am intrigued about the "air defences went dead" statement. If there truly was no response from Syria, is there a mole somewhere in the Syrian air force? If Israel was instrumental in shutting down the Syrian defences, they are better than we think.
Posted by: Pelayo at September 16, 2007 1:23 PM
CG,
I dont know. It seems the otherside is getting more extreme in their hatred of their nation.Im not saying all the Dems are bad. There are a few blue dogs, but not enough. The entire leadership of the Democrat party are a bunch of dhimmis and socialists. A shame that the Republicans lack real leadership to take advantage of it.
Posted by: Elric66 at September 16, 2007 1:24 PM
I've read that the Mossad expects a big terror attack by Hamas as revenge. Expect some lowlife stunt like murdering school kids or something, about which Omlet will do nothing.
at September 16, 2007 1:31 PM
If the Syrians do retaliate, hopefully the Jews, with the US Armed Forces behind them, will up the ante.
Or is the Islamist general Wesley Clark still in command?
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at September 16, 2007 12:47 PM
+++++++++++++++++++++
Israel does not need the US to defend itself. All nations with any sense understands that Israel has the capabilities to lay waste to any country that attacks Israel or is an overt threat to Israel.
The following is from http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/israel/nuke-stockpile.htm
By the late 1990s the U.S. Intelligence Community estimated that Israel possessed between 75-130 weapons, based on production estimates. The stockpile would certainly include warheads for mobile Jericho-1 and Jericho-2 missiles, as well as bombs for Israeli aircraft, and may include other tactical nuclear weapons of various types. Some published estimates even claimed that Israel might have as many as 400 nuclear weapons by the late 1990s.
Israel has shown an extreme reluctance to wipe out their enemies, but it appears that time is running out and nuclear weapons will soon be used in the middle east allowing Russia to come to the aid of a nuked Iran and then all hell breaks loose.
are you prepared armed and ready?????
it appears that the shia.... will soon hit the fan.
The Texican.
Live Free and Die Free.
God Family America Freedom the only choice at any cost.
at September 16, 2007 1:46 PM
Thank you Israel.
How 'bout a followup:
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad will be in New York City for 3 days later this month for a UN Security Council meeting. 'nuff said.
Posted by: Xero G at September 16, 2007 1:57 PM
Texican
I agree with your sentiments, but Alarmed Pig Farmer has a point. If Israel defends itself preemptively or otherwise against its neighbors (let's say Syria, Lebanon (Hamas, Hezbollah) Iran),Russia and most likely China would be involved, even on a quasi or proxy basis. The U.S. must enter, too, unless Hillary were in office.
We see North Korea probably involved here helping Syria. Who knows, we could have a modern Cuban Missile Crisis with Castro helping our enemies. (This is why our CIA under JFK should have made sure that Castro was pushing up sugarcane by now.)
Israel knows that defending itself sets off a chain reaction, and at the end of the chain is a nuke.
at September 16, 2007 2:12 PM
"As a bonus, the Israelis proved they could penetrate the Syrian air defence system, which is stronger than the one protecting Iranian nuclear sites."
tic tac tic tac tic tac...time is counting on you you Ahmadinejad
at September 16, 2007 3:10 PM
"As a bonus, the Israelis proved they could penetrate the Syrian air defence system, which is stronger than the one protecting Iranian nuclear sites."
tic tac tic tac tic tac...time is counting on you you Ahmadinejad
at September 16, 2007 3:12 PM
"As a bonus, the Israelis proved they could penetrate the Syrian air defence system, which is stronger than the one protecting Iranian nuclear sites."
tic tac tic tac tic tac...time is counting on you Ahmadinejad
Posted by: Bernardo at September 16, 2007 3:14 PM
Hhhhmmmm....... I am certainly not an "expert" on the matter ( "expert" is spelled "e-g-g s-p-u-r-t,"
I always say! ) but I cannot help but speculate that what we may have here is not nuclear explosives, but rather, "dirty bomb" material. You will remember all of those missles the Mahometan thug cultists were launching into Israel? Well, it may be that the ultra-violent, lunatic Mussulmen were planning to try the same stunt but with dirty bomb warheads instead of ordinary high explosives. If that is what the crafty "Joooz" blew up, then it is the greasy Syrians who now have a monumental clean up job ahead of them, ha, ha.
at September 16, 2007 3:16 PM
By the way, just in case the, uh, radioactive SHIITE finally does hit the fan, before you step outside to catch a whiff of nice fresh fallout, check out this website: http://ki4u.com/ ( or if this link doesn't work, just google "ki4u" )
*LOL* My brother bought one of the "Nuke-alert" keychains. It makes a dandy conversation piece, and the way things are going, it is not a question of IF but, rather, WHEN we will need it.
at September 16, 2007 3:27 PM
Inasmuch as Gen. Wesley Clark is concerned, I would hesitate to use such rhetoric as 'war criminal' or 'he should hang' as others on this thread have done. He was following the lead of the POTUS and the Secretary of State. Does that relieve him of all responsibility? No. As theater commander, he should be looking beyond politics and propaganda, beyond the smoke and mirrors, to see the actual situation in theater and shift his operations and advise his superiors accordingly.
I hate to say this, but the actions of the US military in Yugoslavia, because that is what the country was called before we helped destroy it, were contrary to the accepted norms of interaction between sovereign nations. In other words, we committed acts of war against a nation for dubious or criminal reasons. I think we should blame those higher in the chain of command than Gen. Clark.
Spase nash, Bozhe.
Posted by: St. David, King of Georgia at September 16, 2007 3:28 PM
Bernardo wrote: "tic tac tic tac tic tac"
Bernardo, I think you've been watching too much "24!"
at September 16, 2007 3:32 PM
One_of_the_last_few_Patriots_left wrote: Bernardo, I think you've been watching too much "24!"
certainly I do :),and like in that serie the IAF (Jack Bauer)sooner than later is going to defeat the bad guys, trust me
Posted by: Bernardo at September 16, 2007 3:49 PM
As ineffective as Olmert seems to be, ya gotta love Israel!! No hand wringing, no dithering, just KABOOM!!! Now, if we could just get them to do the same to Iran....
Posted by: gymgal at September 16, 2007 4:06 PM
The "Arab Street" seems to be very quiet on this issue. Or, we cannot get past OJ today to report anything else.
Israeli first strikes with Nuclear weapons is highly unlikely. Western Moral principles preclude a first strike. No Western Nation would ever support a Country/Proxie first use. Especially Israel!
If An actual strike was made upon a Site containing Radioactive Material. Dammage could have compromised any Containment. We, and others, have many assets avaliable in Space and elsewhere that will confirm any such release.
The Syrians may well have found out what a Dirty Bomb is really like. One whose's Radioactive Signature will be impossable to hide and cover up.
Proof positive of what Syria was up to. Even more so, is all the attention the Demoncrats have paid to them. A Demoncratic Presidential contender was even in the Country while all of this was going on. Trashing American Foreign Policy while there.
Too many people are being too Quiet.
You have to Give O.J. credit. He always has a way of giving the Press something to distract themselfs from the bigger pictures in life.
Posted by: flowerknife_us at September 16, 2007 4:32 PM
How 'bout a followup:
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad will be in New York City for 3 days later this month for a UN Security Council meeting. 'nuff said.
Posted by: Xero G
How about a helicopter crash or something like that? And why is the Security Council's present-day raison d'être invited to attend in the first place?
What does he carry in his "diplomatic pouch"?
They need to start X-raying that sh*t.
Posted by: Allahfanculo at September 16, 2007 4:43 PM
Don't forget, the Israelis had intel help on this, so it HAD to have plenty of solid evidence for them to do this...
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3449145,00.html
...yep, it was Turkey.
Posted by: jcom972 at September 16, 2007 5:21 PM
North Koreaclaimed that gave up its weapons but where did those weapons goI would not be surprised if Syria who I believe has oil did the oil for atomic bomb swap with North Korea under the tableI also believe Syria is crazy enough to use or give nukes to terrorists
Posted by: mowasaperv at September 16, 2007 5:52 PM
Kol Ha-Kavod to the IAF!
Nice to see that the Israel Defense Forces are under professional management again.
Posted by: materialguy at September 16, 2007 6:24 PM
I think its likely that our gubment pressured Olmert to do the raid. They wouldnt do this strictly on their own. I dont think Oly has the "testicular fortitude" to act on his own.
BTW, Just passed a very large convoy of U.S. Army vehicles that looked like a battalion of engineers. They were south of a major Army base. The convoy had fuel trucks, amfib vehicles on flat bed trucks, and many trucks loaded with portable bridge spans. Heading for the Gulf coast, perhaps.
Hmmmmm
Posted by: guide inside at September 16, 2007 6:25 PM
Thanks to everyone who answered my query re LGF.
Also, I haven't seen anything in the MSM on this.
I have never watched "24", but really enjoyed "Sleeper Cell".Highly recommend it.
(The AQ leader is played by an Israeli actor).
at September 16, 2007 6:57 PM
Hey, PakBlows... Rageboy...
I hope Robert's mortgage is paid in full and may he live long and prosper. I am one of those who will be sending Robert's newest.. "Why Christianity is a Religion of Peace - and islam isn't" to my Senator via the Traeh project.
Any little bit helps, pakBlows!
Anyway, I saw someone asking somewhere recently what a moonbat is.. besides PakBlows that is.. and while doing a search for "Ramsey Clark" I came across this:
I can only imagine that Wesley Clark, Dennis Kucinich and Wareen Xtopher will yield similar results.. :-)
Why are these runts such flamin liberal commie pacifists anyway? I have no idea how Wesley ever made it past the screening for military service..
at September 16, 2007 7:16 PM
...yep, it was Turkey.
Posted by: jcom972
If Turkey helped then only to "make benefit for glorious nation of Turkey".
They are anti-Semites through and through. do NOT be fooled.
The leftards in EU should be horrified that their clients the Turks would help the Joooooozz..
Maybe they'll finally withdraw their support for Turkey in the EU?
Posted by: Allahfanculo at September 16, 2007 7:33 PM
I hate to say this, but the actions of the US military in Yugoslavia [...] were contrary to the accepted norms of interaction between sovereign nations. In other words, we committed acts of war against a nation for dubious or criminal reasons.
--- St. David, King of Georgia
Couldn't possibly agree more, St. David!
Anyway, bravo Israel!!
Posted by: Rachel at September 16, 2007 7:55 PM
CapitalistGig, I wonder if your assertion is really true, that Israeli actions provoke a chain reaction. It seems that the Muslims have been provoked into action against their enemies by perceived weakness, whereas firm, decisive action (e.g., the assassination of Sheik Ahmed Yassin and Abdul Aziz Rantisi) have caused the jihadists to crawl back under their rocks.
Mr. Fitzgerald, I would like to compliment you for your initial, elegantly terse commentary: "No hearts, no minds, no boots kept on the ground for longer than a day. A lesson." No lowercasing people's names, no "hallucinations" - just right to the point. You did more to persuade me of your position on the Iraq war with those two sentences than with the thousands of words you've written previously on the subject. Please keep in mind, however, that the Olmert government attempted to follow this advice initially in its air war against Hizb'ulah two years ago, unsuccessfully. Sometimes boots are necessary. I'm keeping an open mind.
Posted by: Surak at September 16, 2007 8:06 PM
Speaking of the traitor Wesley Clark.. who seemed proud of what he did to Serbia..
Let him be judged by the company he keeps.
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blpic-clarkmadonnabritney.htm
Posted by: Allahfanculo at September 16, 2007 8:23 PM
"Let him be judged by the company he keeps"
(kudos, Allafan' )
posted by me April 30th..."LMAO @ wesley clark.
The flake on an ego trip, same clown who nearly started WWIII by his ordering allied (british) general to fire on Russian paratroopers at an airstrip (The Lt general parked him rightfully: "I shall not help you start world war 3!"), & we haven't forgotten that outrageous stupidity on his part (he was forcibly retired because of it)."
His attendance at the yearlykoOK "convention" killed all credibility he had left...
http://securingamerica.com/node/2601
Then there's HITlery...
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1131AP_Clinton_Clark_Endorsement.html
The company he keeps says it all...lol
As I said months ago, and say again...
flake on an ego trip who is also a sock puppet of the moRon.org'ers
at September 16, 2007 9:27 PM
"Sometimes boots are necessary."
-- from a poster above
Yes. Sometimes they may be required. But not very often, when it comes to Islamic states today. The longer Infidels stay in lands full of Muslims, the more likely it is that the people of those countries -- who will never be satisfied -- will be re-confirmed in their belief in Islam. And one wants the reverse. One wants them not to be rescued from themselves, from their own misrulers and their own permanent Misrule and inshallah-fatalism, by Infidel aid, Infidel support of every kind. One wishes them, rather, to be forced to confront their own failures, without the presence of Infidels whom they can and will readily blame for everything.
And one also deplores the likely effect on non-Muslim soldiers sent on a "hearts-and-minds" mission -- for such interventions will always turn into these "hearts-and-minds" affairs. Sentimentalism is doing harm to Western statecraft. Just look at Iraq, where a handful of local officers who may in fact be semi-decent or semi-trustworthy end up being endowed with great and exaggerated significance by American officers and men, who are naturally eager to find some -- any -- locals in whom they can put their trust. This is what may be called the Gunga-Din problem -- except that Kipling's Gunga Din was in fact loyal to the British troops for whom he was a watercarrier. (For more google "The Gunga-Din Problem").
"War is deception," counselled Muhammad, and the Muslim world is not something innnocent Westerners can deal with. Endless meretriciousness, falsity of every kind, the alacrity with which every rumor or conspiracy theory is believed in order to lay the blame at the feet of Infidels, and the use of an allusive language that is not understood by Infidels but assumed to mean something that it almost never does mean -- all this is reason enough to limit contact with the Muslim world, not encourage it.
Sometimes boots are necessary, yes. But they are not necessary if the main objective is to weaken the Camp of Islam so that, while the doctrine of Jihad remains intact (how could it not?) the ability to put that doctrine into practice is severely constrained.
Two separate activities need to go on. The first is to exploit the pre-existing fissures within the Camp of Islam. In Iraq these are two: ethnic and sectarian. Across states, these are economic fissures: why do the rich Arabs not share their wealth with fellow members of the umma? Infidel governments need to return to this point again and again, and to make the point especially when they at long last are brave and sensible enough to stop the disguised Jizyah of foreign aid to Muslim countries.
The second is that Infidels, by showing a thorough and implacable understanding of how Islam explains the political and economic and social and moral and intellectual failures of Islam -- see Ibn Warraq, see Wafa Sultan, see Ayaan Hirsi Ali, see Ali Sina -- and refusing to pretend otherwise for the sake of some nonsensical political -- or still worse, interfaith -- "dialogue," will force Muslims themselves, or those capable of thought, to recognize the force and truth of the argument. And that too will weaken, and over the long run possibly -- just possibly -- somehow modify doctrine, but that is nothing to count on.
Meanwhile, when it comes to denying the Muslims the ability to do great and immediate physical harm (the Money Weapon, campaigns of Da'wa, and demographic conquest naturally require other means), Israel has just given the world an example, and not for the first nor one suspects the last time, of how to do it.
It requires the application of intelligence. Intelligence in every sense.
For decades Israel has borne the brunt of the Lesser Jihad -- the one that even before the OPEC trillions, and the Muslim millions within Dar al-Harb, and the exploitation of Western technology to spread the full message of Islam to every remote village/ But those trillions of dollars and tens of millions of Muslim migrants have now made Muslims believe they can conduct the Greater Jihad, and they have begun, with a vengeance.
Had Israel not absorbed, for several decades after 1948, many of the initial Muslim attacks and Muslim energies, the Western world would be even more threatened than it is today. Those who know nothing of Islam will be quick to believe that it is the Jihad against Israel that has caused the bad feeling against the rest of the Infidels, but this is nonsense. The Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira make this clear. And so do the attacks on cartoonists in Sweden and Denmark, on Christians in Indonesia, on Buddhist monks in southern Thailand, or subway riders in Madrid and London, on political figures and satirists in Amsterdam, on theatre-goers in Moscow.
When a sufficient number of Infidels come to understand Islam despite the small army of Western hirelings who are everywhere, working as apologists, from universities to the corps of retired diplomats now offering their advice, others who have until now shown no such understanding will either have to quietly -- to avoid embarrasssment -- change their tune, if not all of the words they utter, about Islam(for one amusing example, see Timothy Garton Ash's latest version of his views), or will otherwise have to shut up altogether, on a "whereof-we-do-not-know-thereof-we-should-not-speak" basis, and for many of them, that would be exceedingly painful.
Posted by: Hugh at September 16, 2007 9:27 PM
Surak, I agree 100% that moslems react positively only to MAXIMUM force or the credible [in their minds] willingness to use it.
They know when to back down and "live to fight another day".
THAT is in fact the way to win their "hearts and minds".
We are doing th exact opposite at this time. We are winning their contempt and their triumphalism in the face of our reluctance to name the problem by its name and by doing what is logically necessary as result of correctly naming the problem.
Since everyone in the West is SO very afraid to go to war and kill the enemy [my, how horrible], we delude ourselves and keep on lying to ourselves via our own media and even by making laws to keep the realists among us from speaking out.
We ALL know the problem. We are simply refusing to say it out loud.
The emperor wears no clothes.
Posted by: Allahfanculo at September 16, 2007 10:01 PM
Bravo Israel! "May your name be written in the Book of Life!"
Posted by: witness
Israel is God's country and it has his name on it. It belongs to the Jews, and so it is most definitely in his Book of Life. Amen...
And...
PA spokeswoman Condi Rice must be upset that her US taxpayer appeasement scheme of North Korea has been exposed as the sham it is.
I hear that our plans to take out Iran's military and nuke sites over a two-three day bombing campaign have been drawn up, but now Condi has to be persuaded to go along with it.
Posted by: jewdog
Condi is an idiot! I will never forget her ignoring George Tenent's warnings that something was about to happen before 9/11 when she was National Security Advisor. Even I knew something was coming and I have no intel info whatsoever. She's a DUMBASS with no common sense and should have been held accountable for that disaster. But instead she gets promoted to Secretary of State for which she is not qualified for and has shown us how useless she has been at it.
at September 16, 2007 10:43 PM
Allahfanclo wrote:
We are doing the exact opposite at this time. We are winning their contempt and their triumphalism in the face of our reluctance to name the problem by its name and by doing what is logically necessary as result of correctly naming the problem.
Exactly. Whilst we have "tasteful dialogue" about the war, they are CONDUCTING THE WAR.
The sooner we realize we are fighting, we are ACTUALLY FIGHTING.
Posted by: JohnAdams at September 16, 2007 11:07 PM
How does one deal with a whole Ummah full of sociopathic liars who are taught to be that way, by their religion? Silence, or as few words as possible. They will wilfully misunderstand whatever we say: but they can do nothing with our silence, if we maintain it. They will try to use any promises we make, against us: so, no promises; no treaties.
Do not believe a word said by any paid-up denizen of the Ummah - and make it crystal clear to them, that from now on, we believe NOTHING of what they say.
Observe, merely, as carefully as possible, what such denizens DO, and have done. Then, as necessary, act, to defend oneself, with neither explanations nor apologies. Our actions should be such as to disabuse the Liars of the idea that our silence means a. consent b. ignorance or confusion c. fear.
We need perhaps, in our dealings with the Ummah, to employ prison psychologists. Not, I hasten to add, the soft-headed variety, but rather those who have a proven track record for recognising and cutting right through the multiple deceptions employed by psychopaths and sociopaths.
I think the silence of the Israelis, before and after this action, has done more than anything else could, to rattle the Ummah.
Please, Israel - keep them guessing!
at September 16, 2007 11:09 PM
Go Israel! Do what is needed to ensure your survival. Nice to see some sanity again after that idiot Olmert messed up the attack against Hezbollah.
Posted by: non-redneck at September 16, 2007 11:18 PM
"I think the silence of the Israelis, before and after this action, has done more than anything else could, to rattle the Ummah."
-- from a posting above
Yes. That dead silence was golden. I regret even this article. Nothing should have been said. Nothing at all.
at September 16, 2007 11:28 PM
poor syria. next? anybody? yesrael! yesrael!
Posted by: crumbinalfighter at September 17, 2007 12:11 AM
Hugh wrote: "'War is deception,' counselled Muhammad, and the Muslim world is not something innnocent Westerners can deal with. Endless meretriciousness, falsity of every kind, the alacrity with which every rumor or conspiracy theory is believed in order to lay the blame at the feet of Infidels, and the use of an allusive language that is not understood by Infidels but assumed to mean something that it almost never does mean -- all this is reason enough to limit contact with the Muslim world, not encourage it."
Australia's ABC (Australian Broadcasting Commission) correspondent in the Middle East, David Hardaker, wrote the following in September - you can find it in ABC Online, but I will post it here rather than give a link since I haven't learnt how to do links yet. It totally backs what Hugh is saying.
‘The Art of Middle Eastern Conspiracy Theories’, Sunday sept 9 2007. By Middle East Correspondent David Hardaker.
"The reporter's job is to get the facts. Sounds simple enough, but try doing that in the Middle East.
"Recently there has been a re-run of an old theory that Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat died not because he was a naturally ailing 75-year-old, but because he was poisoned.
"The claims come from no less an authority that Mr Arafat's personal physician of 18 years, Dr Ashraf Kurdi.
"The trouble is, the doctor has brought forth not an ounce of proof. All he has is a heap of suspicion about why he was not allowed to see Mr Arafat when the old leader was on his deathbed in Paris three years ago.
"But Dr Kurdi is far from alone. Most Palestinians simply assume the poisoning story to be indisputably the truth, and that of course it is Israel's secret service, Mossad, that did the job.
"The "Arafat was poisoned" story is but the latest in a long line of lurid conspiracy theories in the Middle East. In some ways, it is its own art form.
"The most famous conspiracy theory of course, surrounds the September 11 attacks on New York. They were carried out by Mossad and/or the CIA.
"Why? To justify the United States launching an all-out attack on the Muslim world.
"And this particular theory usually comes with a wonderfully revealing subtext. "We Arabs couldn't have done it", you will hear, "because we're not capable of it".
"The attacks in London of July 7, 2005 have brought the same explanation. This time, rather than the CIA, it was Britain's intelligence service, MI5, that did the job, or at least was behind it.
"I remember getting really agitated with a good friend of mine from Egypt, a man who was well educated but refused to budge from this belief.
"Where are the facts?" I would say. "Why would Britain kill 52 of its own people and wound hundreds more? What's the point of them doing that?"
"The answer, "To justify persecuting Muslims". Of course.
"Soon after that episode with my friend, I saw the same agitation in an Englishman I got to know during a train journey from Cairo to Alexandria.
"An executive with a high-powered international PR firm, he was in Egypt to counter a conspiracy theory which was doing severe damage to his client.
"An Egyptian journalist had written that a well-known brand of soft drink was manufactured using pig fat, and that this was being done for political reasons.
"Lurid it may be, but the claim had taken on a life of its own, and Egyptians were deserting the brand in their tens of thousands.
"I have by and large ceased to be shocked now by the leaps of logic that abound in Middle Eastern conspiracy theories.
"However, since being in Israel, I have heard a new one, which I admit, did set me back a bit.
"It was a couple a months ago now, and two rockets had been fired into the north of Israel from Lebanon. For a moment, it looked like the Israel-Hezbollah war all over again.
"So, I asked a Palestinian friend of mine, again a very well-educated man, who he thought had fired the rockets.
"His answer: Israel. So, Israel attacked Israel?
"Yes," he told me, "This happens whenever an Israeli Prime Minister is in Washington."
"Then came the clincher. "Israel intelligence always arranges suicide bombing whenever the Prime Minister was with the US President. This is how they get their money."
"A little later, I watched a documentary on Yasser Arafat's last years.
"One of his close confidants spoke about how embarrassing it was when Mr Arafat would tell visiting dignitaries that Israel was behind the latest suicide attacks on Israelis. This time though, I was not surprised in the least.
"It would take a fair-sized book to explain the pathology of conspiracy theories in the Middle East, and in a part of the world where little is as it seems, one chapter would have to be devoted to the very many conspiracies which are real.
"Truth might be stranger than fiction, but in the end, there is one overriding lesson for reporters and for policymakers. Fiction is far more powerful than truth, especially if it is said by someone with power."
Now, Mr Hardaker, to do him credit, has twice mentioned 'Muslims' and 'the Muslim world': it appears he is nearing epiphany, the moment of realization that all this 'nonsense and lies', as Our Hugh would put it, is not merely accidental to the 'Middle East', but organically connected to the texts, teachings and theology of Islam. I do most sincerely hope Mr Hardaker will remember his own words about Middle East fiction, next time he interviews emotional 'Palestinians' or other [Muslim or dhimmi] Arabs waxing eloquent upon supposed Israeli 'atrocities', be they of the 1930s and 1940s, or of the present day.
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at September 17, 2007 12:15 AM
"Recently there has been a re-run of an old theory that Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat died not because he was a naturally ailing 75-year-old, but because he was poisoned.
Arafart didn't die of old age nor did he die of poisoning. Arafart died of AIDS.
Facts are stupid things, aren't they, MoFoes?
Posted by: Allahfanculo at September 17, 2007 12:29 AM
L'Shanah Tova.
Happy New Year.
A new year's gift from Israel to the world.
If only the world would appreciate the significance of this action.
However, like Osirak, Israel will undoubtedly be roundly condemned by the UN and most of the world.
at September 17, 2007 2:20 AM
From Hugh"Something to cheer us up.No hearts, no minds, no boots kept on the ground for longer than a day. A lesson."
Now isn't that the lesson. Quick strike. Rely on our strengths, namely the air force........
BOOM BOOM BOOM
.........and back just in time for tea and crumpets. Our morale increases, theirs plummets.
Comare that with the god awful "Operation Iraqi Freedom"
Posted by: ewha1 at September 17, 2007 2:58 AM
Slightly OT
Prepare for war with Iran, France warns.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2473281.ece
Posted by: Geeza at September 17, 2007 10:23 AM
THANK YOU ISRAEL FOR YOUR HEROIC ACT OF WISDOM AND COURAGE!!!! The world owes you for this. Big time!
It's just too bad that bin Looney Tunes and cohorts weren't working at the sight of these weapons caches at the time of the raid...
I would be more cheered by this report except for one thing: Israel's military will have to be might busy for quite some length of time to put a stop to Islam's apocalyptic, nuclear skullduggeries!!!
Can Islam be stopped from destroying this planet???
Posted by: pythagoras at September 17, 2007 1:24 PM
I call it Iraqi Tarmac.
Iran declaired war on US and Israel a long time ago.
Timing is everything.
Posted by: flowerknife_us at September 17, 2007 4:17 PM
The most likely reason why Syria is being as quite as possible is that Isreal did hit an illegal nuke site.
But our officials should be providing to the media the damning evidence to back it up. This is a great PR opportunity to bitch-slap Syria and the Assad meeting Democrats.
Syria is complaining to the U.N.....ok, send in the U.N. and get the evidence of what was bombed and what is on the ground.
America and Europe should be sending satelites and spy planes over for photo opportunitys and we should be sending planes that have the capability to 'sniff' for nuclear or chemical matches.
The U.S. should not let this opportunity escape. Syria is right now cleaning and sanitizing the bomb site, guarenteed. Get the information before it all dissapears. Don't let the evidence dissapear like we did in Iraq.
I also am not hearing anything about the possiblity that besides this being with the help of Korea and Iran, that this may also part of Saddams stuff that he was able to transfer out of Iraq with the help of Russia.
Posted by: alaskan1000 at September 17, 2007 4:35 PM
And for an encore, not even a whimper of a protest from other Arab countries. They know who the real troublemakers are, and who they really need to be afraid of -- its not Israel.
Posted by: usapatriot at September 17, 2007 9:24 PM
Well, the issue's been settled and no debating it anymore...
http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2007/ea_nkorea_09_17.asp
Confirmed syrian-north korean nuke linked
Not to mention massive buildup, especially with chemical weapons...
http://www.geostrategy-direct.com/geostrategy-direct/
gee...wonder where he got those?
Oh, yeah, those mysterious WMDs that "didn't exist" in iraq...and not a peep from the MSM (as if)...
Yep, looks like things are gonna get hotter soon...and history's shown they don't get that stuff just to sit around idle...they're going to use it, sooner rather than later.
"It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood"
at September 18, 2007 5:00 AM
"Oh, yeah, those mysterious WMDs that "didn't exist" in iraq...and not a peep from the MSM (as if)..."
Posted by: jcom972
.........when you are right, you are right.....not a word on the MSM, nary a reply or comment from the dhimmicrats, nada from the various anti-war groups, zilch from the numberous insipid TV "reporters and talk show hosts", nothing from the Hollywood brainless ones.....
....those WMDS that "never existed" will still be used to kill.....just as they were intended to do....The Muslims have been plotting for a long time.....of course, the dhimmicrats and the anti-war dingbats will claim...."Those WMDs did not come from Iraq"....and as usual, they will be wrong.....
at September 18, 2007 7:48 AM
No wonder they took out the nuke materials...
(forget the fact proof positive of iran-syria cooperation...gee, still wanna know where all those WNDs went?)...
July 23, they must've been loading up and someone forgot to put the rubber band in place first...lol
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1189411428847&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
No wonder syria hasn't said much on getting their asses bombed.
Posted by: jcom972 at September 18, 2007 6:06 PM
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