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Stop the presses! The Muslim Brotherhood is an Islamic supremacist group! It is good to see this article in the Dallas Morning News echoing what we have said here for years. Robert Leiken of the Nixon Center, one of the chief proponents of the idea that the U.S. should negotiate with the Brotherhood, is quoted toward the end still as resolute as ever not to take the Brotherhood at its word, but the Holy Land Foundation is waking up at least some people.
"Group's takeover plot emerges in Holy Land case," by Jason Trahan for The Dallas Morning News (thanks to all who sent this in):
Amid the mountain of evidence released in the Holy Land Foundation terrorism financing trial, the most provocative has turned out to be a handful of previously classified evidence detailing Islamist extremists' ambitious plans for a U.S. takeover.A knot of terrorism researchers say the memos and audiotapes, many translated from Arabic and containing detailed strategies by the international Islamist group the Muslim Brotherhood, are proof that extremists have long sought to replace the Constitution with Shariah, or Islamic law.
But some academics and Muslim leaders say that the ideals contained in the documents were written by disgruntled foreign dissidents representing a tiny radical fringe. The documents also pre-date the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, and the 80-year-old Muslim Brotherhood is now either inactive or largely underground in America.
The documents – introduced in recent weeks as part of the prosecution's case in the trial of the now defunct Holy Land Foundation and five of its organizers – lay out the Brotherhood's plans in chillingly stark terms.A 1991 strategy paper for the Brotherhood, often referred to as the Ikhwan in Arabic, found in the Virginia home of an unindicted co-conspirator in the case, describes the group's U.S. goals, referred to as a "civilization-jihadist process."
"The Ikhwan must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and sabotaging its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God's religion is made victorious over all other religions," it states. This process requires a "mastery of the art of 'coalitions,' the art of 'absorption' and the principles of 'cooperation.' "
Success in the U.S. "in establishing an observant Islamic base with power and effectiveness will be the best support and aid to the global movement," it states.
A transcript of a Brotherhood orientation meeting recorded in the early 1980s includes discussions of the need for "securing the group" from infiltration by "Zionism, Masonry ... the CIA, FBI, etc. so that we find out if they are monitoring us" and "how can we get rid of them." Discussions later turn to "weapons training at the Ikhwan's camps" in Oklahoma and Missouri.
[...]
Esam Omeish, president of the Virginia-based Muslim American Society, or MAS, says the documents introduced in the Holy Land trial are full of "abhorrent statements and are in direct conflict of the very principles of our Islam."
"The Muslim community in America wishes to contribute positively to the continued success and greatness of our civilization," Dr. Omeish said. "The ethics of tolerance and inclusion are the very tenets that MAS was based on from its inception."
His group, formed in 1993, is thought by many to be the Brotherhood's current incarnation in the U.S., although he and other MAS leaders say their group formed as an alternative to radicalism.
"MAS is not the Muslim Brotherhood," Dr. Omeish said. The society "grew out of a history of Islamic activism in the U.S. when the Muslim Brotherhood once existed but has a different intellectual paradigm and outlook."
[...]
Mahdi Bray, director of the Washington, D.C.-based Muslim American Society's Freedom Foundation, which promotes Muslim civil rights, called the Holy Land documents "a throwback." He has attended portions of the Holy Land trial.
"If those documents talk about the establishing of Shariah law in America, I'm saying that's a lot of hype: wishful thinking from an immigrant perspective. ... It doesn't reflect genuine American perspective in terms of where we're heading," Mr. Bray said.
He said members of MAS decided in 1993, when the organization was founded, that they would pursue political and nonviolent tactics.
"I wouldn't be candid if I didn't say there weren't some old-timers who want to hold onto the old way, who say that this is the way the Ikhwan did it, this should be our model," he said. "We said 'So what? It doesn't work here.' We've been very adamant about that."
Mr. Bray, an Islamic convert, has been criticized by some as being an apologist for terrorists, particularly for his condemnation of Israel's 2004 missile strike in the Palestinian Gaza Strip that killed Hamas' spiritual founder, Sheikh Ahmed Yassin.
Mr. Bray says that although his politics are controversial, he's not anti-American.
"Those on the right and many of those who I would classify as Islamophobes, many of them have failed to realize that there is an authentic American Muslim organization here and movement in America that wants to integrate," he said. "We believe the ballot is an appropriate place to be."
He said that he "liked the Bill of Rights" and didn't want to see the Constitution replaced with Islamic law.
"There's a maturation that's taken place in the American Muslim community that's either not understood, or understood but viewed as a threat to other interest groups in this country."
[...]
There are those in the U.S. government who believe that the Brotherhood is the Bush administration's best chance for reaching out to moderate Islamists internationally.
The Brotherhood "works to dissuade the Muslims from violence, instead channeling them into politics and charitable activities," said Robert S. Leiken, director of the Immigration and National Security Program at The Nixon Center in a recent article in Foreign Affairs, a publication of the nonpartisan Council on Foreign Relations.
While he has not studied the Holy Land documents, Dr. Leiken said that the U.S. discussion on Islamic thought tends to be polarized and that what passes for scholarship is often more selective than rigorous.
"The more you study it, the more distinctions and differences should emerge," he said. "And scholars should see these distinctions. In Europe, these things are understood better, but in the U.S., they often get brushed aside in the heat of the debate."
Yes, in Europe they understand it all so well.
Posted by Robert at September 18, 2007 12:56 AM
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First comment on this article! Yay!
But, it's OT:
I recently debated a "Muslimah" named Matoko Kusanagi, about Spencer and Islamic Supremicism. I found her commenting on Spencer's rebuttal of Derbyshire, and continued the debate on her blog.
Her post is entitled "The Last Man Standing Is a Muslimah," referring to the fact that she was the last one to post on the Derbyshire thread before they closed it.
But on her own post, the last person standing was me, an Infidel! (well, sorta; there were a few afterward). She couldn't come up with how Spencer was wrong, or peaceful interpretations of any Qur'anic verses, and when she tried; about the one exhorting people to "beat" their wives, she used a translation that DIDN'T EXIST. Some intellectual rebuttal!
Here's the link, if anybody's interested:
http://quantumghosts.blogspot.com/2007/08/last-man-standing-is-muslimah.html
Posted by: Mo Foe
at September 18, 2007 1:15 AM
Btw, my posts are under "David".
Posted by: Mo Foe
at September 18, 2007 1:16 AM
"Mahdi Bray, director of the Washington, D.C.-based Muslim American Society's Freedom Foundation, which promotes Muslim civil rights, called the Holy Land documents "a throwback." He has attended portions of the Holy Land trial.
'If those documents talk about the establishing of Shariah law in America, I'm saying that's a lot of hype: wishful thinking from an immigrant perspective. ... It doesn't reflect genuine American perspective in terms of where we're heading,' Mr. Bray said.
He said members of MAS decided in 1993, when the organization was founded, that they would pursue political and nonviolent tactics.
'I wouldn't be candid if I didn't say there weren't some old-timers who want to hold onto the old way, who say that this is the way the Ikhwan did it, this should be our model," he said. "We said 'So what? It doesn't work here.' We've been very adamant about that.'
-- from the article above
He "wouldn't be candid" ever if he thought he could get away with it. But Mahdi Bray knows when to pull in his horns. When the scandal just got too great, and the opponents had too much that they had discovered (and just what has happened in what should be a continuing investigation into the sale of city land at a sweetheart price by the BRA, and especially into the role of that Muslim member of the BRA, the one who flew off on a mysterious trip to Saudi Arabia and came back, it appears, with the financing for the mosque guaranteed?), then Mahdi Bray and others quickly adjusted, and showed up for the phoniest of staged events, a "reconciliation" with a handful of local Jewish "leaders" or those "taking a leadership role," the usual hopeless naifs and interfaith pietists who are making pronouncements, and attitudinizing, about things they know little or nothing about, and presuming to speak for a great many.
Mahdi Bray does let slip a telling phrase in the article above when he gives, as the argument against demanding the Shari'a be imposed on the United States by "old-timers" who think they can behave in the well-known manner of the Muslim Brotherhood (the "Ikhwan" that Bray refers to, still no doubt smacking his lips over those Arabic words that still give him a thrill to utter, as part of his new special vocabulary and that significance the whole thing gives to his life), but who are informed by others that the means they have chosen are not the right means: "We said 'So what? It doesn't work here.' We've been very adamant about that.:
Right. The method of the Ikhwan "doesn't work here." So other methods, different and smoother methods, must be adopted. The goal -- the arrival and imposition of the Shari'a over the United States, remains a goal of true Believers, and certainly of the converts like Mahdi Bray, whose denial of such a goal can safely be ignored, for such a denial cannot possibly be forthcoming from a true Believer. It is not facultative, but mandatory, to work for the dominance of Islam, and that certainly includes replacing the Infidel nation-state and Infidel laws with the Holy Law of Islam.
Don't believe a word Mahdi Bray says. But do look for a photograph of Mahdi Bray "distributing" goods -- a box or two did it for the photograph he had taken last year -- to some charity, that is supposed to demonstrate for Infidel audiences that -- just look, here we are, Muslims, now donating to non-Muslims. It's all for show, and all against the grain of, despite the teachings of, Islam. Well, come to think of it, not entirely. For while zakat is supposed to be only for fellow Muslims, when such zakat, if given to non-Muslims, helps the position, the image, the spread, of Islam, then it may be allowed. And that is exactly what Mahdi Bray does -- for he does nothing that is not directed at spreading Islam until, of course, it dominates in this country, as by right it should everywhere. That is his goal. If you do not share that goal, if you regard the attainment of that goal with horror, then you must watch Mahdi Bray and his smiling I'm-just-a-country-Muslim-from-Norfolk-Virginia shtick with vigilant alarm.
Posted by: Hugh
at September 18, 2007 1:39 AM
More on Mahdi Bray:
May 5, 2005
Fitzgerald: A tribute to Mahdi Bray, just a country Muslim from Norfolk, Virginia
A convert to Islam, Mahdi Bray is not one of those, like Ibrahim Hooper, who has attained national prominence. He is a tireless worker at the local level, however, and in his dual presentation of self, or presentation of dual selves, most instructive. Soft-spoken and smiling and all sweet reason, and with a comfortably American voice, when addressing Infidels, he becomes something quite different for Muslim audiences, where he has been known to chant-and-rant, as in his call of support for Hamas before a crowd in Washington, or whipping up a crowd to show up at a courtroom to mock the proceedings which involved charging a Muslim with plotting to kill the American President. He is also careful, at the local level, to carry out all those carefully-calibrated and well-publicized deeds of supposed charity – to earn Infidel goodwill – that are described as being so useful in the conduct of Da’wa at Muslim sites.
In his last appearance in The Boston Globe, some months ago, he is seen in a photograph (he made sure there would be a Globe photographer handy) helping to lift a box of donated food for the poor, which we are naturally supposed to believe is disinterested Muslim charity, but zakat, of course, can only be given to Infidels for the sake of promoting Islam. Just as Muslim websites carefully offer detailed instructions as to how Muslim parents can get their way, when making special requests (for prayer-rooms and the like) of teachers and school administrators, there are detailed instructions as to how to obtain favorable publicity – and the ostentatious “donation to charity” has been mentioned as the kind of thing local groups can engage in.
Bray, retaining his soft-spoken Virginia ways, seldom fails to remind non-Muslims that he is “just a country Muslim from Norfolk, Virginia”; this Americanizes it, makes it wholesome, familiar, unthreatening. As the director of something called the “Freedom Foundation” at the Muslim American Society. Bray has frequently denounced acts of the American government that are meant to defend American citizens from Muslim terrorism.
The list of those he has chosen to vocally defend is instructive. At least since July, 2004, he demanded the return of Ahmad Abu-Ali from Saudi Arabia:
“MAS Freedom Foundation's Executive Director, Mahdi Bray, called the continued detention of Ahmed Abu-Ali, an American born citizen and an honor student, in a Saudi Arabian jail a "national disgrace and tragedy."
But when Abu-Ali was finally extradited to the United States, presumably fulfilling that demand that he be released from a Saudi jail, Mahdi Bray was still not happy:
“We're deeply grateful to the Almighty for the return of Abu-Ali to the United States of America," said Muslim American Society Freedom Foundation Executive Director Mahdi Bray. "However, I am still greatly troubled and concerned about the manner in which our government has dealt with Abu Ali and his family.
"Nothing short of his release and return to his family is acceptable to us.”
When Abu-Ali, who was eventually charged with plotting to kill President Bush, appeared for his hearing at a courthouse in Virginia, those whom Mahdi Bray had helped urge to come to protest did. Violating court decorum, they entered the court and laughed at the judge as he announced the charges.
Even before he went to bat for Abu-Ali, Mahdi Bray had stood up for Abdurrahman Alamoudi, the man connected to the Boston Mosque which benefited from a sweetheart land deal, arranged by a dangerously ill-informed Mayor Menino. Abdurrahman Alamoudi’s sinister views and connections can easily be found discussed in detail on the Internet, but it was not his hatred for Infidels, or his plans for Islamic dominance, that got him in trouble. In the end, it was his part in a plot to assassinate Crown Prince Abdullah of Saudi Arabia that ended in Alamoudi’s receiving a 23-year sentence.
And now, to complete the trilogy, Mahdi Bray bemoans the treatment of Al-Timimi, the Muslim leader in the Virginia suburbs of Washington, D.C., who was just found guilty of urging followers to fight the Americans in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
But standing up for Abu Ali, and Al-Timimi, and Abdurrahman Alamoudi, are just part of Bray’s activities.
In October 2000 he appeared at a demonstration called in support of Hamas and Hizbullah:
“In American Jihad, [Steve] Emerson notes that when Abdurrahman Alamoudi of the American Muslim Council, who is now serving a 23-year prison sentence for a terrorism financing conviction, encouraged the Muslim crowd at an October 2000 rally cosponsored by MPAC to declare their support of the jihad terror groups Hamas and Hizballah, “MPAC’s Political Advisor, Mahdi Bray, stood directly behind Alamoudi and was seen jubilantly exclaiming his support for these two deadly terrorist organizations.” This was just three weeks after Bray “coordinated and led a rally where approximately 2,000 people congregated in front of the Israeli Embassy in Washington, D.C.” Emerson reports that “at one point during the rally, Mahdi Bray played the tambourine as one of the speakers sang, while the crowd repeated: ‘Al-Aqsa [Mosque] is calling us, let’s all go into jihad, and throw stones at the face of the Jews [sic].’
Mahdi Bray was at another demonstration in December of that same year:
On December 22, 2000, MPAC's Mahdi Bray organized a rally in Lafayette Park outside the White House to celebrate a "Worldwide Day for Jerusalem." In Arabic, the crowd responsively chanted with the emcee, "Khaybar, Khaybar oh Jews, the Army of Muhammad is coming for you!" Posters calling for "Death to Israel" and equating the Star of David with the Nazi swastika were openly displayed and anti-Semitic literature calling for the destruction of the Jews and Israel was distributed. Members of the crowd burned the Israeli flag while marching from the White House to the State Department.
Bray spoke at this rally, along with Imam Mohammed al-Asi, former director of the Islamic Education Center in Potomac, Maryland, who exhorted the crowd to violence in the name of Islam. Al-Asi said, "Now, all our khatibs (speakers), our imams, our public speakers, should be concentrating on militarizing the Muslim public. This is not a time to make a speaking issue out of this ... Muslims have to familiarize themselves with every means possible ... Rhetoric is not going to liberate Al Quds and Al Aqsa. Only carrying arms will do this task. And it's not going to be someone else who is going to carry arms for you and for me. It is you and me who are going to have to carry these arms."
And here is some testimony before Congress about Mahdi Bray:
United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary
Terrorist Recruitment and Infiltration in the United States: Prisons and Military as an Operational Base.
Statement of J. Michael Waller
Annenberg Professor of International Communication
Institute of World Politics
Before the Subcommittee on Terrorism, Technology and Homeland Security
Senate Committee on the Judiciary
14 October 2003
Appendix 2: Key Organizations Involved in Muslim Prison Recruitment
National Islamic Prison Foundation (NIPF) – Contact: Mahdi Bray; 1212 New York Ave. NW, Suite 525, Washington, DC 20005. This is the same address as the American Muslim Council (AMC).
• “Specifically organized to convert American inmates to Wahhabism.”
And at www.masboston.org, the website of the Boston chapter of the “Muslim American Society” there are quite a number of items of interest. The first is the listing of the “Trainers” of Muslim activists (“training” in how to talk to Infidels at Outreach Meetings or in the conduct of Da’wa or in dealing with inquisitive media). In fact only one “trainer” is listed: Mahdi Bray
Imam Mahdi Bray is a long time civil and human rights activist. He is currently the Executive Director of the Muslim American Society (MAS) Freedom Foundation, and the President of the Coordinating Council of Muslim Organizations (CCMO). He also serves on the Board of Directors of the National Interfaith Committee for Worker Justice and the Interfaith Alliance, and also on the Advisory Board of the American Muslim Council and Muslim Public Affairs Council. He is a Washington, DC, Television and Radio Talk-Show Host.
He has served as a major consultant and a political advisor to Bonner & Associates, Washington’s largest grassroots lobbying firm, the National Center for Housing Management, Alexandria City Redevelopment & Housing Authority, Community Relations Department, The City of Norfolk, Virginia, Department of Community Improvement, and the Independent Voter League. He has also served as a Political Advisor and Strategist, to several national, state, and local political campaigns. He is also the author of, ‘The Masjid (Mosque) Voter’s Guide’ and ‘The Political Guide for Masjid (Mosque) Activists.’
Also, Imam Mahdi Bray is one of the main organizers for the No War on Iraq movement.
He has also served as a liaison between President’s White House Faith-Based Initiative Program and congressional affairs on behalf of the Muslim community.
On another page, there is an advertisement for a Muslim summer camp where students will experience “Tarbeya”:
“At MAS, the Tarbeya process is considered the most important process and the Tarbeya department is one of the permanent departments in the organization. This belief traces its origin to the teachings of Prophet Mohamed as he -- peace be upon him- --invested a lot of effort doing Tarbeya for his companions. As a result of his effort, he did not only leave a great message, the message of Islam, but also left a great generation that carried the message and spread it all over the land and moved humanity from darkness to light. Islamic history proved that whenever this process was considered, Muslims were able to succeed and Islam prevailed. Imam Hassan Al-Banna, the founder and the leader of a great Islamic movement, the Muslim Brotherhood, said ‘Whenever you find the good Muslim you find with him all means for great success.’”
Note the praise of Hassan al-Banna, described as “the founder and the leader of a great Islamic movement, the Muslim Brotherhood.” Anyone who does not know what the Muslim Brotherhood stands for can simply google that organization. Hassan Al-Banna (his grandson, Tariq Ramadan, pretending that his own unwillingness to disown Al-Banna is merely a matter of noble filial piety, a filiopietism that compels him not to publicly disown “my grandfather” when in fact the real reason he does not distance himself from his grandfather is that he agrees with the program of the Muslim Brotherhood). Hassan al-Banna not only organized secret cells in Egypt, but would also give public addresses, whipping up his followers. And what better way for those followers to express their ignited enthusiasm, than to go out and attack non-Muslims (Copts and Jews), to beat them, even to kill them, and of course to destroy their small businesses. After one such speech in Cairo, on November 2, 1945, the whipped-up mobs did exactly that.
The next time a smiling plausible fellow shows up at a public gathering, no longer shaking a tambourine, and shouting hosannas to Hamas and Hezbullah, but offering a tone of sweet reasonableness, of more-in-sorrow wistfulness about the mean-minded misunderstanding of Islam, and the terrible victimization of Muslims, see if he manages to describe himself as “just a country Muslim from Norfolk, Virginia” with a smile and an ah-shucks shrug meant to suggest two things – he’s just as American as he can possibly be, and therefore, so to is this wonderful doctrine of Islam that we keep hearing all those untrue and unfair things about. If you hear about Norfolk, Virginia, and the “li’l ole Muslim” routine, you can be sure you are in the presence of Mahdi Bray.
And if he offers an Infidel audience a practiced display of Taqiyya and Tu-Quoque, and a look of wounded innocence, it might help to have this article handy, so that they will know about Alamoudi, Abu-Ali, Al-Timimi, and that tambourine shout-out in Lafayette Park for such terrorist groups as Hamas and Hezbollah. It won’t put a stop to the act, but it will no longer be a hard act to follow.
And remember how another li’l ole country boy, this one from Concord, Massachusetts, named Ralph Waldo Emerson, who famously cautioned wariness:
“The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons.”
The more we hear tell about the “tolerance” and “peace” and all-round goodness of Islam, the more we feel the urge to count aloud, not the number of spoons, but the number of victims of Jihad-conquest (Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists, and the more we feel impelled to count up all the onerous disabilities that those non-Muslims who were not killed or forcibly converted at once but permitted to survive as dhimmis under Muslim rule, suffered through time and space, over 1350 years, from the Iberian Peninsula to the East Indies, wherever Islam ruled and Muslims dominated.
[Posted by Hugh at May 5, 2005]
at September 18, 2007 1:42 AM
…they often get brushed aside in the heat of the debate.
“It is absolutely outrageous and reprehensible for anyone to suggest attacks on holy sites, whether they are Muslim, Christian, Jewish or those of any other religion,” a clearly agitated Casey told reporters, shaking his head in disgust.
“Those who wish to hold office can speak for themselves and whoever is elected in 2008 and comes into office in 2009 will then be in a position to talk about what they intend or plan to do.”
The people’s deputy State Department spokesman Tom Casey, a career foreign service officer, looking out for the good ‘ol USA.
http://www.pr-inside.com/print194508.htm
at September 18, 2007 1:53 AM
More on that sudden scholar of Islam, Robert Leiken, who could cheerfully explain his new "expertise" about the Ikhwan and everything to do with Islam the way that candid crook did in the late nineteenth century, Jay Gould or some one of that railroad-magnate or Tammany ilk: "I seen my opportunities, and I took 'em."
That's Leiken. A presto-chango artist, who went from being an "expert" on Latin America, to becoming a great "expert" on How To Deal With Islam. Nothing he has written so far shows a deep familiarity, or any familiarity at all, with the texts or tenets of Islam. Nothing he has written so far shows any deep familiarity, or any familiarity at all, with the 1350-year history of Jihad-conquest and of the subsequent subjugation of non-Muslims (Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, Hindus, Buddhists, and many smaller groups), a conquest and subjugation which faithfully put the doctrines of Islam, derived from Qur'an, Hadith, and sira, as further discussed by Qur'anic commentators and jurisconsults, resulting in a system of codification, or Holy Law of Islam (i.e., the Shari'a) into practice.
Here's something that was put up previously at JW. Read it and weep:
"Today the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research will host a meeting with other representatives of the intelligence community to discuss opening more formal channels to the brothers. Earlier this year, the National Intelligence Council received a paper it had commissioned on the history of the Muslim Brotherhood by a scholar at the Nixon Center, Robert Leiken, who is invited to the State Department meeting today to present the case for engagement. On April 7, congressional leaders such as Rep. Steny Hoyer of Maryland, the Democratic whip, attended a reception where some representatives of the brothers were present. The reception was hosted at the residence in Cairo of the American ambassador to Egypt, Francis Ricciardone, a decision that indicates a change in policy...
A State Department spokesman for the Bureau of Near East Affairs, David Foley, confirmed the meeting Wednesday to discuss a new approach to the Muslim Brotherhood. "We do these seminars, they help inform the policy making process. I am not suggesting someone would decide on a new policy on the Muslim Brotherhood as a result of this," he said. "This is the kind of consultations we often do. When there are alternative views, let's hear both sides. We are certainly willing to listen to voices from the outside."
Making the case today for outreach is Mr. Leiken, who co-authored with Steve Brooke a paper for the March-April issue of Foreign Affairs titled, "The Moderate Muslim Brotherhood." That paper argues that Ikhwan has drawn contempt from violent Islamists such as Al Qaeda for its general disavowal of armed struggle. Tracing its history to its founding, the paper says the group today, particularly in Egypt, is genuine in its desire to participate in democratic politics.
Mr. Leiken said yesterday that there are two reasons why America should begin to rethink its prohibition of meeting with the brothers. "A new policy begins to combat some of our isolation in the Muslim world. I see the Muslim brotherhood, particularly in Egypt, as having what the communists used to call a two-line struggle, between moderate and dogmatic factions. Our outreach would help the moderates. That would strengthen those forces who are most willing to recognize the fact of Israel's existence and more democratic."
Mr. Leiken is a Harvard graduate and longtime expert on Latin America who broke with the hard left in the 1980s to oppose the Sandinistas in Nicaragua and who became associated with Social Democrats such as Penn Kemble and Joshua Muravchick. He said he thinks diplomacy with Ikhwan could help us help them to moderate Hamas. "It is conceivable that the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, aware Gaza could serve as an index, will try use its influence to get Hamas to be constructive," he said. The Egyptian government has used the Muslim Brothers for at least 10 years as a back channel to Hamas.
Mr. Leiken's Foreign Affairs paper and classified study for the National Intelligence Council has gotten the attention of senior National Security Council officials and Secretary of State Rice, according to two administration officials..."
Did you read it? And did you weep? If you didn't, never mind. I wept tears of fury and laughter at the sheer farce of it all, enough tears -- a "portable and compendious ocean" of them -- enough for me, for you, for everyone who read the damn thing.
Robert Leiken. The "expert." The Ikhwan. State Department officials said to be Greatly Impressed. Secretary of State Condolleeza Rice....
Say - do I wake, or sleep?
Posted by: Hugh
at September 18, 2007 1:56 AM
Yes, the "portable and compendious oceans" are a comical conceit by Crashaw. Not for lachrymae rerum, but the real tears, the kind you weep as you sit there, stunned and moved after some crappy movie with some sentimental ending, and the credits are rolling, and you can't move because you have been so moved yourself.
And here's another line of Crashaw you might wish to know:
“Farewell house, and farewell home! / She's for the Moors, and martyrdom.”
Rewind and play that last bit one more time:
"She's for the Moors, and martyrdom."
Well. That line -- and what prompted that line-- certainly bear looking into.
Volunteers?
Posted by: Hugh
at September 18, 2007 2:01 AM
http://www.islam-watch.org/Others/Stages-of-Islamization.htm
Four Stages of Islamic Treachery: Islamist Tactics Towards Non-Islamic Societies
by Anonymous
01 Sep, 2007
Based On The Evidence Of 1200 Years Of Islamic History
Introduction:
FACT #1:
The goal of Islam is the subjugation of the entire world to Islam through the establishment of a global Islamic rule and the eradication of all non-Islamic populations, cultures, religions, thoughts, knowledge, symbols, traditions and ways of life.
This goal is non-negotiable in fundamental doctrines of Islam and in the eyes of true Muslims.
FACT #2:
Islamists will not stop their assault (open or clandestine) on the non-Muslim world as long as they have not achieved Islamic rule.
FACT #3:
IN ISLAMIC TEACHING, THE END ALWAYS JUSTIFIES THE MEANS: Islamists have no respect for the rules, laws or values of the non-Islamic world, to them only the rules of the Islamic world are legitimate. In their mind, when they destroy the non-Islamic world then the rules will change to Islamic rules, laws and values.
FACT #4:
ISLAMISTS CONSIDER TREATIES WITH NON-MUSLIMS AS NON-BINDING. When in non-Muslim countries they will pretend a social behavior as a cover up to their true intentions of domination over the non Muslim world.
TIP: When it comes to Islamists, ALWAYS LOOK AT WHAT THEY DO, NEVER WHAT THEY SAY: Lying, treachery and deceit are the Islamists' tactic of choice in their jihad of conquest of the non-Muslim world. This tactic (AL-TAQIYYA, or religious deception, pretending to be friends of the Non-Muslims in order to strengthen themselves against them) is a commonly practiced by Islamists. DECEPTION IS THE KEY TACTIC EMPLOYED BY ISLAMISTS.
FACT #5:
As a rule of thumb to get the truth from any Islamist, simply reverse what they say to a non-Muslim.
FACT #6:
The founder of Islam, MUHAMMAD WAS AN ISLAMIST.
Whether you able to face or ignore this harsh reality is beside the point, you will inevitably face its truth on the day you find yourself within the killing zone of Islamists.
I believe Muhammad and the Koran.
at September 18, 2007 2:23 AM
UNBELIEVABLE
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=482112&in_page_id=1770
Muslim dentist 'told patient to wear a headscarf or go elsewhere'
A muslim dentist made a woman wear Islamic dress as the price of accepting her as an NHS patient, it is alleged.
Omer Butt is said to have told the patient that unless she wore a headscarf she would have to find another practice.
Later this month, Mr Butt will appear before a General Dental Council professional misconduct hearing, which has the power to strike him off.
It is claimed that the 31-year-old dentist asked to speak to the woman in private after she turned up for an appointment at his clinic in Bury.
According to the charges, he questioned her on whether she was a Muslim and told her that if he was to treat her she would have to wear Islamic dress.
He is also said to have read out a number of religious rules to her.
He then told his nurse to give the patient her own headscarf to wear, the accusation says.
It is not known whether the woman was a Muslim.
The charges to be heard by the General Dental Council say that Mr Butt undermined public confidence in his profession by discriminating against a patient and failed to act in her best interests.
Mr Butt is the older brother of former Islamic extremist Hassan Butt, who once declared he had 'no problem' with terror attacks on Britain and who said that September 11 "served the pleasure of Allah".
He has since recanted and now calls for all Muslims to abandon violence.
The dentist also featured in immigration hearings involving an asylum seeker suspected of providing a safe house for Kamel Bourgass, an Algerian terrorist jailed for life for stabbing PC Stephen Oake to death in Manchester in 2003.
Mr Butt, the immigration hearing was told, was introduced by his brother to the asylum seeker, who at various points claimed three different identities.
The tribunal was told that Mr Butt was "a respectable and responsible person who wishes to help devout and practising Muslims in difficulty".
He "did not regard the use of false names as unusual for asylum seekers".
The headscarf incident is alleged to have happened in 2005, at a time when between 4,000 and 8,000 people in Bury were unable to find an NHS dentist.
According to the charges, Mr Butt "asked to speak to Patient A in private.
"In the course of conversation with Patient A you: (a) asked whether she was Muslim; (b) told her words to the effect that, in order to receive treatment from you, she needed to wear appropriate Islamic dress; (c) quoted to her parts of the Ahadith."
The Ahadith is a series of instructions on behaviour attributed to Prophet Mohammed but not written as part of the Koran.
The charge continues: "You told Patient A that, if she did not wear a headscarf, she would need to register with another dentist. You instructed your dental nurse to give Patient A her headscarf.
"The dental nurse took Patient A to another room where she was given the nurse's headscarf to wear.
"In seeking to impose an Islamic dress code on Patient A in order for treatment to be provided you undermined public confidence in the profession by discriminating against Patient A."
If the charges are upheld, the Porsche- driving dentist will be found guilty of serious professional misconduct.
Penalties can range from a public warning to suspension and being struck off.
Tory MP Sir Paul Beresford, a former minister and a dentist, said: "When a patient comes to see me I have no concern with their religion. I do not ask Muslim patients to read the Bible.
"My practice tries to respect religious belief. For example, during Ramadan we try to help Muslim patients by making sure they do not have to swallow water when they are fasting. We do not ask patients to become Christians."
Women staff at Mr Butt's Bury practice do not routinely wear headscarves while at work.
One female patient said: "I think it is a pretty outrageous thing to ask but I have never felt as if I am being discriminated against at this practice as a Western woman.
"If I was then I would certainly make a full complaint. If it is true then it shows a reverse prejudice bordering on racism."
Mr Butt was involved in another controversial incident earlier this year when police stopped his Porsche 911 and said they could not read its customised number plate.
The dentist recorded the subsequent search of the car on his mobile phone and passed the video to the BBC, which broadcast it on a local news bulletin. It shows Mr Butt asking an officer: "Are you a racist?"
The dentist was then arrested for racially aggravated behaviour. There were no charges, and a complaint against the police by Mr Butt is still being considered.
Mr Butt was unavailable for comment yesterday. Staff at his practice said he was on holiday.
Posted by: Churchill1939
at September 18, 2007 4:07 AM
Somebody send this colossal-clue-as-big-as-Jupiter to the likeable but fatally naive-as-hell glenn beck before he "don't give 'em what they want"s us to death.
Posted by: jcom972
at September 18, 2007 5:23 AM
"Later this month, Mr Butt will appear before a General Dental Council professional misconduct hearing, which has the power to strike him off."
....this should be a no brainer.....but dhimmis will be dhimmis...nothing will come of it....
...MUslims constantly try to coerce you to follow their demands....you must wear Islamic style clothing, you must provide footbaths, you must provide prayer time, you must provide segregated facilities, you must provide female doctors for Islamic females, you must follow the whims of the cabbies, you must learn the Qur'an in school, you must allow Muslim protests, You must allow and follow Shar'ia law....You Must Submit..........
......indeed, you must be in the Twi-Light zone....
....you Must Ban Muslim Immigration....
at September 18, 2007 6:46 AM
Negotiating with the islamic brotherhood about it showing respect for the rights of others and for it to end its evil campaign to take over the world by depraved violence is like negotiating with a cannibal to change the lunch menu. All you will get is a toothy islamic smile.
Posted by: David England
at September 18, 2007 6:48 AM
His brother, Hasan Butt, has had quite a run as a "former terrorist" (he wasn't quite that) who now "has given up terrorism" or "abjured violence." But Hasan Butt hasn't given up the Jihad, judging by a review of his public remarks. And no one has asked him about it.
I know of at least one Muslim, a former diplomat, who has recently risen high in academic life by presenting himself as a "former terrorist" and who remains a classic, if subtle, apologist for Islam - but now a classic apologist for Islam with tenure, and a nice American salary.
Don't be satisfied with a description or self-description of someone as a "former terrorist" and assume that everything is now just fine. Find out what is going on. Is that person someone who is convinced that "terrorism" will not work and therefore is to be abandoned as a tactic and Da'wa, the Money Weapon, and demographic conquest sufficient instruments -- as they are -- of Jihad? Is that "former terrorist" someone who is cagey about his definition of an "innocent"? Someone whiose new views are prompted by a forefeeling that Infidels are getting far too nosy about Islam, and that continued Muslim terrorism might endanger the position of Muslims in this or that country, or all over the West?
Don't be satisfied until you know more. And be wary of any so-called "former terrorist" who would have you believe that that "terrorism" is unrelated to, rather than a natural outgrowth of, passages in the Qur'an and stories in the Hadith.
And if they refuse to make that connection, thnen treat them most warily, and do not be too quick to lionize them, as happened to Hassan Butt, or still worse, complacently believe that "see, the good Muslims will come to their senses" and "integrate into our society" as long as we carefully refrain from discussing Islam itself.
That is whistling in the dark.
(For more on the candidate of the hour, google "Elmo Tanner For President").
Posted by: Hugh
at September 18, 2007 7:18 AM
All of this "groundbreaking" news from the holyland trial is all old. Anybody with half a brain knows the agenda of the muslim brotherhood.This has been common knowledge here in the states for at least 2 decades. Although our news organizations still are unaware of the "master" plan. I suggest a boycott of the MSM
(including FOX) to hopefully get them to realize that we want this type of news as opposed to the celeb crap they keep ramming down our throats on a daily basis. Why are we kept in the dark? Is it a "liberal conspiracy"? Thank God for Robert, Hugh and the crew here @J.W. for taking the time to be the "new media" just the facts about todays most important issue.
at September 18, 2007 7:43 AM
"Although our news organizations still are unaware of the "master" plan."
I disagree. They have many more resources than we do. Plus I have seen too much bias in their reporting to be a coincidence.
Posted by: Elric66
at September 18, 2007 7:47 AM
Many will pay little or no attention to this because they regard the plans as impossible of fulfillment. They miss the point. It is the plans themselves, and what they tell us about the instruments of Jihad as recognized by Muslims themselves as being appropriate to the task, that are important. It is the laid-out plans for Jihad, the careful long-term strategy which, in fact, if you look around, has been and is now being implemented.
Those who pooh-pooh the effort should look more closely at the countries of Western Europe, or for that matter, look into other examples where Islam has steadily gained ground and now has come to dominate, as has happened in what is present-day Malaysia over the past half-century, or as happened, over the centuries, in formerly Hindu and Buddhist Indonesia. Bush has encouraged everyone to think that "Jihad" is what "terrorists" do. No. Terrorism is only one of the tactics, and as the plans made public atthe Holy Land Foundation trial make clear, it is not regarded by the most relentless Muslim participants in Jihad to be the most effective, to make the most sense.
That is exactly what, in his forked-tongue way, carefully keeping both audiences - his own, and the Infidels who are peskily listening in -- Mahdi Bray, the Muslim agitator and propagandist, meant when he said that "I wouldn't be candid if I didn't say there weren't some old-timers who want to hold onto the old way, who say that this is the way the Ikhwan did it, this should be our model," he said. "We said 'So what? It doesn't work here.' We've been very adamant about that."
Posted by: Hugh
at September 18, 2007 7:56 AM
This document ties in very much with the Project, a document that was found in Geneva, which the Fascist Left declare as an Elders of Zion type forgery.
However if you read the Project you can see that in every European country, indeed across most of the globe, the Muslims are following the exact strategy as outlined in the Project and very effectively too.
People should dismiss this document at their peril, well the elites will dismiss it at our peril more like.
Posted by: Daffersd
at September 18, 2007 8:03 AM
Elric66, considering the resources the MSM have, what is the excuse for keeping us in the dark? Why celeb news instead of this? How often do you see the trial in Dallas on the tube compared to how often you see a story on O.J.,Brittany or any of the others that dominate the headlines. I'm not saying you are wrong, I just want to know why we aren't being informed of matters that count for our survival?
Have you ever witnessed anything that was reported on the news? As you know, when you do see it on the T.V. maybe the facts are all messed up. People are misquoted...etc. Very rarely the story stands as what really happened. I'm sorry but I still say we should boycott the MSM. When the networks see their ratings drop maybe they'll start reporting on more relevant stories.
at September 18, 2007 8:20 AM
americanmadestrat,
Why? I dont know. The MSM is dominated by the liberal elite and the liberal elite is infatuated with Islam. My theory is that the liberal elite has a self hatred of the West and wants to bring it down. In order to do that, it needs it proxy, which is Islam. So it tears down the Judao/Christian values and prop up Islam at the same time. You can really see this in play in Europe.
But I wasnt suggesting not boycotting the MSM, I do that myself. A lot of people are but the MSM still plugs away at misinforming its audience.
Posted by: Elric66
at September 18, 2007 8:29 AM
Elric66, thats an interesting view, which gives me all the more to consider. I do know people in the media that think they are of a higher intelligence, I don't know if they'd outright admit it. But, actions speak louder than words. Keep up your boycott and keep fighting the good fight. I enjoy reading your responses.
Posted by: americanmadestrat
at September 18, 2007 8:53 AM
So, the Strategery is as always, to condition Western Society to willingly accept Sharia and minimize the bloodshed. This is done by Funding Education etc etc. To go after the specific nations/ people who have "beat back" Islamic takeover in N Europe in the past. It's the same Jihad they've been actively engaging since the 1920's.
There used to be a website (hosted at the guardian) up in English laying it all out but alas, it is no longer available and I didn't get a screen capture.
at September 18, 2007 9:03 AM
This is o.t. but I was wondering if anyone new what was going on with the Northeast Intelligence (Doug Hagmann) website, it hasn't been updated in almost a week.
Posted by: americanmadestrat
at September 18, 2007 9:05 AM
"The Ikhwan must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and sabotaging its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God's religion is made victorious over all other religions," it states. This process requires a "mastery of the art of 'coalitions,' the art of 'absorption' and the principles of 'cooperation.' "
Liberals in this country are sure to fall for the ruse of Muslim "coalitions" and "cooperation." They would rather believe lies about peace and diversity than face the bloody truth about Islam that an objective study of history reveals.
Posted by: lakeside
at September 18, 2007 9:08 AM
americanmadestrat,
Thanks. Its only an educated guess on my part. Only the liberal elites truly know their motives. If you are interested on the reason behind Europe's decent into Islam, read Bat Ye'or's book "Eurabia". It lays it all out and you can see the consequences of Europe's decision to ally with Islam over Israel and the US.
Posted by: Elric66
at September 18, 2007 9:08 AM
All this talk about some ill-defined group of "liberals" -- "liberal elites" this, and "liberals" that, as being responsible for the widespread failure of virtually an entire political elite, when the Grand Catastrophe of Tarbaby Iraq stares us in the face, and continues to be loyally defended by all those "forward strategy of freedom" enthusiasts, not to mention all kinds of "I-can't-possibly-admit-I-got-the-whole-thing-wrong" and "I-just-can't-be-bothered-to-look-more-fully-into-Islam" and "I-can't-possibly-echo-the-surrendercrats" loyalists, is getting on my nerves.
There is plenty of blame to go around, and foolishness everywhee you look. If you insist on maintaining at this website that is all the fault of "liberals" then you must be asked to look at such people as Dinesh "Family-Values-Through-Higher-Lecture-Fees" D'Souza, or the terminally confused Glenn Beck, or any number of Bush loyalists who keep parroting this crap about the "forward strategy of freedom" in Iraq that ignores what "democracy" in a Muslim country means (always, more Islam), and that the only constraints on Islam or limits on Muslims have been those imposed either by a colonial power (as in the Dutch East Indies, or in India under the British) or by such enlightened despots as Mohammad V, Habib Bourguiba, the Shah of Iran and, most systematically and consciously, Ataturk.
at September 18, 2007 9:29 AM
americanmadestrat
For the MSM to expose the threat the way it should requires the identification of ISLAM as the source of the threat. And they are not quite ready to do that, yet.
Glenn Beck was mentioned above. I am grateful that Glenn Beck takes such strong positions against jihad, mainly because no other MSM types will. Neil Boortz once ripped into a muslim on his radio show and called Islam a cult, not a religion (that audio clip was posted here at JW months ago). The day after hearing this clip I called the Boortz show and got thru to him. I congratulated him for his bravery and encouraged him to pursue his criticism of Islam and before I could finish my on-air comment, he cut me off to remind me of all the very many peaceful muslims out there and we should not lump them all together...yada yada yada... Something tells me his sponsors got to him. He has not been as critical of Islam since that audio clip.
Glenn Beck casts his hope in to the false promises of moderate muslims. He thinks Yuhdi Jasser has all of the solutions to our worldwide crisis. I'll bet he would support efforts of "reaching out" to the Muslim Brotherhood as proposed by Dr. Leiken.
Beck, like Bush, like so many others in the MSM cannot conceive Islam as being so utterly devious and its' propagandist so clever that the instruments of jihad can be other things besides AK-47's, RPGs, IEDs and hijacked airplanes. To the MSM, jihad was invented by Al Qaeda.
For the MSM to provide the information needed they must declare Islam, the Koran and the teachings of Mohammed as the source of the problem. I do not see that happening anytime soon.
I believe someday they will "get it" and people like Beck will be in the lead because he has at least has a head start. Steve Emerson said in an interview about what he believes will be needed to awaken Americans to the real nature of the threat " an attack the causes the death of about 20,000 to 30,000 Americans". I tend to agree, quite unfortunately.
at September 18, 2007 9:36 AM
"I-just-can't-be-bothered-to-look-more-fully-into-Islam"
....certainly...a Mistake.....
Posted by: exsgtbrown
at September 18, 2007 9:46 AM
Point taken Hugh, we should all be focusing our energies on the one true enemy, which takes great delight in fractionalizing us. The more we bicker amongst each other the less we can do against our enemy. But you do have to admit there are a group of people that it seems would like to see us lose, or claim that this whole war is a fictitous war, built up to strip the people of their liberties. Most of these people call themselves liberals. I know a few people at a huge media conglomerate in N.Y.C.Who call themselves liberals. I know what they think of the rest of America, it is sad (by the way, they call them conservatives, or right-wing Christian fanatics). It is really sad that the work they do gets viewed by millions of young people everyday. I lose work because of these people that are so for our freedom of speach, condemn me because I have "conservative" views on some issues. Liberals are only liberal when it works to their advantage. I don't see myself conservative, more like just wanting to live and survive. It is unfortunate, but, it is probably going to take another catastrophe in order to get most of us on the same page. Liberal or conservative we really do need to understand what this war is about. To our enemy there is no distinction we are all viewed as Infidels, kaffir
Posted by: americanmadestrat
at September 18, 2007 10:07 AM
Great article at American Thinker on topic here:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/09/homeland_security_implications_1.html
citing JW as one of few places where the internal threat of jihad has been pointed out.
Posted by: USorThem
at September 18, 2007 10:11 AM
USorThem, I remember hearing your call on Boortz, I don't get to listen to him often because he was taken off the air here after he was saying what should be done with the looters & thugs in New Orleans after Katrina. I believe this station was really behind Ned Lamont when he was running for senate. But, once in awhile I am lucky enough to be in an area where he is still on the air.
Posted by: americanmadestrat
at September 18, 2007 10:12 AM
It has to be a liberal death wish not to see what is as plain to see as the pimple on a nose.
The ignorance and denial of history is astounding for the reporting classes which have access to computers and ostensibly facts and history.
It's as if Housseini and Hitler and WWII never existed or happened.
Right on Robert.
Posted by: dgene
at September 18, 2007 10:12 AM
Hugh,
If it appeared that I was casting the blame totally upon the liberals, that wasnt my intention. I know the danger President Bush poses for trying to sell us that Islam is peaceful and the moderate Muslims will rise up and take their religion back. But the majority is the liberals who do own the MSM, the universities and rule the EU. I do hate to use the the term liberal because they really arent. True liberals speak out in favor of freedom, women's rights and democracy. They dont.So if you are a true liberal Hugh, I am sorry if you took offense. I meant none.
Posted by: Elric66
at September 18, 2007 10:16 AM
"The Muslim community in America wishes to contribute positively to the continued success and greatness of our civilization," Dr. Omeish said. "The ethics of tolerance and inclusion are the very tenets that MAS was based on from its inception."
Read this quote aloud and listen to the phrase 'Our civilization' and 'ethics of tolerance and inclusion'. If this was translated from his native Arabic, I would conclude that 'our civilization' means al ummah which leads that 'ethics and tolerance of inclusion' is within the subset of al ummah.
Why can't our leaders see through this veneer of taqiyaa? I don't want to say all Muslims are like this, but show me one who doesn't do this every moment and with every breath.
Go to the MAS website and see where their ambitions lay. I see a link with Venezuela and an apologetic to Chavez. Al Saud Arabiyaa is engaged in an active program of extending its influence throughout the world. With D'awa, taquiyaa and petrodollars as thier weapons of choice.
This returns one to the question of "Why can't our leaders see through this veneer?" See sentence above for clarification.
Posted by: detocquevilledisciple
at September 18, 2007 10:33 AM
For the MSM to provide the information needed they must declare Islam, the Koran and the teachings of Mohammed as the source of the problem. I do not see that happening anytime soon. -posted by UsorThem
Two things here:
Glenn Beck closes the first segment of "EXPOSED: The Perfect Day" with the following statement:
"As a personal note, this series has put me in the hardest ethical position I think I've been in, in thirty years of broadcasting. In the end, I came down that the information we have is power. There are things that you need to know that you're not being told. We're not the NYT. We're trying to save lives, not expose anything our government does not want exposed.'
which was tempered earlier in the program when Glenn Beck asked his guest Brad Thor why they would do these unspeakable things (re: Beslan style attack in US) Thor responds:
"They want to force our hand. They want to create something so horrible that we will lose control of our reaction. We will be lynching muslim people in the streets and burning mosques. They want to reduce us to animals like them so that they can get the islamic world behind them and finally get them the holy war that they want kicked off and ignited. "
Recall earlier this week, officials in Dearborn deliberately withheld information about Hussein Zorkot, arrested with a loaded AK-47 and camouflage paint—because they were afraid of “stirring anti-Muslim sentiments” and “fanning the flames of terrorism.”
The FBI is notorious for issuing "not related to terror" statements upon arrival at the scene of latest qu'ran inspired atrocity. . .prior to even a hint of an investigation.
Obviously, this is a concerted effort to avoid the ultimate confrontation. . . which cannot be held off indefinitely.
How many of our citizens are considered disposable? Apparently, 9/ll didn't prove enough.
at September 18, 2007 11:21 AM
How many of our citizens are considered disposable? Apparently, 9/ll didn't prove enough.
It won't matter until one of the elite is killed. That day is coming, they almost pulled it off on 9-11.
Posted by: interestinconundrum
at September 18, 2007 12:14 PM
There are those in the U.S. government who believe that the Brotherhood is the Bush administration's best chance for reaching out to moderate Islamists internationally.
Oh yeah? Well, those idiots shouldn't hold such powerful positions. Why do we have to "reach out" to muslims? Isn't it obvious that nothing short of surrender to islam will appease their incessant complaints and demands? Muslims are bellicose megalomaniacs and it should be made crystal clear to them that they are nobody special but instead, our wise leaders do just the opposite! Ridicule them, laugh at them, ignore them, but don't coddle and appease them! When did we become beholden to moderate muslims, who have done nothing to mitigate islamic chaos throughout the world and quite obviously never will? Moderate muslims are reserves in the jihad army, quietly supporting the front line and waiting to be called to active duty.
As for negotiations with the Islamic Brotherhood, that is the most ridiculous suggestion I have ever heard. To negotiate with the organization that spawned every islamic terror outfit that exists today would legitimize it, and that hardly seems prudent. Exactly what issues are there to negotiate with a supremacist terror organization? Muslims cannot be trusted to honor treaties or agreements of any kind made with infidels. Why can't the expert idiots in our pathetic government learn from islamic doctrine and history and recognize the futility of "negotiating" with muslims? Is that too much to ask? The world becomes more Orwellian every day.
Posted by: Susanp
at September 18, 2007 12:23 PM
OT?
Ok everyone I know we went through this a couple months ago but shamnasty is back. I know this is not exactly jihad… or is it? The islamists/apologists/ignoramuses and I both sense that the pendulum of public opinion is swinging back the other way. They sense that it is now or never, if they can dilute our country with people who don’t necessarily share our values, language, culture or vision they stand a much better chance of overwhelming us in the future. The same forces that are aligned with the jihad we will find aligned with the republic wrecking immigration platform. Sure it sounds corny but the future is now. Listen carefully when those like obl speak, what did he say? We will come at you from all sides. So pay attention to all sides, especially the back.
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/240894.php
Speak out, retain American sovereignty. America is not the problem, fix Mexico that is the problem. Thousands of otm’s being smuggled by m’s across the border for a pittance. No citizenship for islamists, south of the border socialists, or any other foreign ist’s.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/010234.php
http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/homeland.php?id=460575
Jihad, it isn’t just blowing things up you know.
at September 18, 2007 12:58 PM
Dr. Leiken said that the U.S. discussion on Islamic thought tends to be polarized and that what passes for scholarship is often more selective than rigorous. "The more you study it, the more distinctions and differences should emerge," he said. "And scholars should see these distinctions. In Europe, these things are understood better, but in the U.S., they often get brushed aside in the heat of the debate."
- - - - -
Of course: it's all in the nuances. We bourgeois plain-talking Americans can't hope to understand the subtleties, you know.
Europe may be starting to understand now ... but I'm still only seeing Neville Chamberlains, not Winston Churchills. Yet.
Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse
at September 18, 2007 1:09 PM
As long as they change their name every few years, then the new lying Muslim scumbags can differentiate themselves from the old lying Muslim scumbags ... and any rational attempt to connect the old and new lying Muslim scumbags will be labeled Islamophobia.
Posted by: LoneRanger
at September 18, 2007 1:54 PM
The Muslim world's leaders have had a 20 strategy plan in place for the conquest of the United States by the year 2020 for a number of years now.
The Muslim Brotherhood has recently set up shop in America in the hopes of finishing the job.
The ISRAEL HASBARA website has good information on this Islamic plan for the conquest of America. I do not see Jihad Watch hasn't included this site on its list of links as it absolutely SHOULD.
Posted by: pythagoras
at September 18, 2007 2:25 PM
"MAS is not the Muslim Brotherhood," Dr. Omeish said. The society "grew out of a history of Islamic activism in the U.S. when the Muslim Brotherhood once existed but has a different intellectual paradigm and outlook."
yadda yadda yadda
When I was eight I wanted to be a magician and I tried putting on shows for my family. I was an AWFUL magician and kept dropping things, stuff would accidentally fall out of my sleeves but I would just go on and say "YOU DIDN'T SEE THAT! YOU DIDN'T SEE THAT!"
It's cute when an eight year old does it.
Posted by: poetcomic1
at September 18, 2007 3:44 PM
Isn't it funny (and boring, too) to get these unbelievably long-winded monologues, when a simple short-n-sweet to-the-point comment of 2 lines or less will suffice?
Like the coined term "I just asked him the time, and he tells me how to build a clock!"
Sometimes they could've just said simple "yes" or simple "no", especially to simple questions (which appear to be nonexistent in their death cult)...but they have to protest-too-much.
Clear and unmistakable sign they're disingenuous, avoiding answering directly, and staying on point.
*yawn*
at September 18, 2007 5:47 PM
Haiku to Taquiya
You're ALL sleeper cells
Make like Mohammed and lie
Don't CAIR anymore
at September 18, 2007 9:43 PM
Incidentally, Sean Hannity (whatever you think of him) did read large sections of this Dallas Morning News article on his radio program this afternoon. He didn't comment on it much, other than to say that it was "chilling," but he does have a large audience and hopefully he set a few people down the path.
Posted by: JohnAdams
at September 18, 2007 9:46 PM
A refugee from the Muslim Middle East thinks he has discovered Islam's 20-point plan for conquering the United States by 2020 – a plan revealed in the latest issue of Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin.
Anis Shorrosh, author of ''Islam Revealed'' and ''The True Furqan,'' is a Christian Arab-American who emigrated from Arab-controlled Jerusalem in January 1967.
''The following is my analysis of Islamic invasion of America, the agenda of Islamists and visible methods to take over America by the year 2020,'' Shorrosh says. ''Will Americans continue to sleep through this invasion as they did when we were attacked on 9/11?''
1. Terminate America's freedom of speech by replacing it with statewide and nationwide hate-crime bills.
2. Wage a war of words using black leaders like Louis Farrakhan, Rev. Jesse Jackson and other visible religious personalities who promote Islam as the religion of African-Americans while insisting Christianity is for whites only. What they fail to tell African-Americans is that it was Arab Muslims who captured them and sold them as slaves. In fact, the Arabic word for black and slave is the same, ''Abed.''
3. Engage the American public in dialogues, discussions, debates in colleges, universities, public libraries, radio, TV, churches and mosques on the virtues of Islam. Proclaim how it is historically another religion like Judaism and Christianity with the same monotheistic faith.
4. Nominate Muslim sympathizers to political office to bring about favorable legislation toward Islam and support potential sympathizers by block voting.
5. Take control of as much of Hollywood, the press, TV, radio and the Internet as possible by buying the related corporations or a controlling stock.
6. Yield to the fear of the imminent shut-off of the lifeblood of America – black gold. America’s economy depends on oil and 41 percent of it comes from the Middle East.
7. Yell ''foul, out-of-context, personal interpretation, hate crime, Zionist, un- American, inaccurate interpretation of the Quran'' anytime Islam is criticized or the Quran is analyzed in the public arena.
8. Encourage Muslims to penetrate the White House, specifically with Islamists who can articulate a marvelous and peaceful picture of Islam. Acquire government positions and get membership in local school boards. Train Muslims as medical doctors to dominate the medical field, research and pharmaceutical companies. (Ever notice how numerous Muslim doctors in America are, when their countries need them more desperately than America?) Take over the computer industry. Establish Middle Eastern restaurants throughout the U.S. to connect planners of Islamization in a discreet way.
9. Accelerate Islamic demographic growth via:
Massive immigration (100,000 annually since 1961).
Use no birth control whatsoever – every baby of Muslim parents is automatically a Muslim and cannot choose another religion later.
Muslim men must marry American women and Islamize them (10,000 annually). Then divorce them and remarry every five years – since one can't legally marry four at one time. This is a legal solution in America.
Convert angry, alienated black inmates and turn them into militants (so far 2,000 released inmates have joined al-Qaida worldwide). Only a few ''sleeper cells'' have been captured in Afghanistan and on American soil.
10. Reading, writing, arithmetic and research through the American educational system, mosques and student centers (now 1,500) should be sprinkled with dislike of Jews, evangelical Christians and democracy. There are currently 300 exclusively Muslim schools in the U.S. which teach loyalty to the Quran, not the U.S. Constitution. In January of 2002, Saudi Arabia’s Embassy in Washington mailed 4,500 packets of the Quran and videos promoting Islam to America's high schools – free of charge. Saudi Arabia would not allow the U.S. to reciprocate.
11. Provide very sizeable monetary Muslim grants to colleges and universities in America to establish ''Centers for Islamic studies'' with Muslim directors to promote Islam in higher-education institutions.
12. Let the entire world know through propaganda, speeches, seminars, local and national media that terrorists have hijacked Islam, when in truth, Islam hijacked the terrorists.
13. Appeal to the historically compassionate and sensitive Americans for sympathy and tolerance towards Muslims in America who are portrayed as mainly immigrants from oppressed countries.
14. Nullify America's sense of security by manipulating the intelligence community with misinformation. Periodically terrorize Americans with reports of impending attacks on bridges, tunnels, water supplies, airports, apartment buildings and malls.
15. Form riots and demonstrations in the prison system demanding Islamic Sharia as the way of life, not America's justice system.
16. Open numerous charities throughout the U.S., but use the funds to support Islamic terrorism with American dollars.
17. Raise interest in Islam on America's campuses by insisting freshman take at least one course on Islam.
18. Unify the numerous Muslim lobbies in Washington, mosques, Islamic student centers, educational organizations, magazines and papers by Internet and an annual convention to coordinate plans, propagate the faith and engender news in the media.
19. Send intimidating messages and messengers to the outspoken individuals who are critical of Islam and seek to eliminate them by hook or crook.
20. Applaud Muslims as loyal citizens of the U.S. by spotlighting their voting record as the highest percentage of all minority and ethic groups in America.
at September 19, 2007 1:11 AM
The trojan horse...
We already know this, since we've been onto those they modeled it after...as it echoes the same basic strategy of the socialist 5th column within for decades now, and they pursue it with fervor seen only in countries in decline and facing imminent socialist takeovers...
...but thanks anyway.
at September 19, 2007 2:19 AM
"because they were afraid of “stirring anti-Muslim sentiments”
......probably the reason why there are virtually no Non Muslims in most Muslim dominated countries.....
Posted by: exsgtbrown
at September 19, 2007 6:01 AM
I think we can all attest to the fact that since the mid-nineties (actually in the last 5 years) there certainly has been a huge surge in observant muslims in the US as evidenced by head coverings, etc among the women and men with huge bushy beards.
Posted by: eve_anne_gelical
at September 19, 2007 4:57 PM
Oh, sure. I have no doubt whatsoever that we can just disregard this like they say. Totally out of date. I see. Well. Thanks for the endorsement.
Do they really think we are stupid enough to believe that this is NOT the continuing plan of Islamofascists everywhere?
Posted by: Allah PeanutButterSandwiches
at September 19, 2007 4:59 PM
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