OT.. I just came across this one:

http://personenschutz.wordpress.com/

A list in German of persons in the West who are under threat by islamists. Robert Spencer among them.

Should we tolerate among us people who kill others for speaking out? Do we not have the right to exclude persons from outside the Western sphere who threaten the lives of those who exercise their Right to Freedom of Speech and Free Expression?!

How hard have those before us fought for these rights and now we're allowing these barbarian stoners to drive some of our best and Brightest underground?!

What compels us to keep on tolerating the intolerant?

Posted by: Allahfanculo at September 20, 2007 1:52 PM

3.5 trillion dollars, mostly money recieved from the West for oil, sloshing around in bank accounts or invested, and these countries are STILL basket cases of poverty unwilling to help their even poorer Muslim brethren? But we STILL give billions in aid to earthquake victims, to the Palistinians, etc, etc? Enough of this.

Posted by: npabga at September 20, 2007 2:08 PM

Thats why I support short term drilling in Alaska and off our coasts and a long term alternative energy plan.

Posted by: Elric66 at September 20, 2007 2:13 PM

One dollar is now worth one seven hundred and thirty-fifth of an ounce of gold. If the Saudis were to require gold to back oil purchases, that would just about do it.

In 1928, two and a half generations ago, most Americans were rural and largely self-sufficient. People had animals and gardens. The country had a strong industrial base and was an exporter. Women had only been voting for eight years. The population was racially homogeneous, killed their own meat, and knew how to preserve vegetables. The only thing most people got from the Federal government was free cheese.

“Hi, I’m Tom Kruze and I’m a nurse. I’ll sell you a hover-round and it won’t cost you a penny.”
-September 19, 2007

This one might just be a doozie. Let the Muslims keep complaining.

Posted by: pez at September 20, 2007 2:14 PM

There is a plus side to a lower valued dollar. Realizing that the continued balance of trade deficits are unstustainable in the long term, if prices for American goods decline on the world market, it would help.

One thing that will help is lowering the tariffs on steel. We can out-manufacture anyone on this planet. Our factories need cheap iron and steel.

Japan is a prime example of what a country can become without any raw materials to speak of. What is not factored in is the government spending deficit that depends on foreign investors buying bonds. Our purchasing of foreign oil is just one part of the problem.

We are in deep do-do.

Posted by: Pelayo at September 20, 2007 2:33 PM

....HMMMM .....last year UK had a multi billion dollar weapons deal to Saudia Arabia:

"but Britain's just agreed a new multi-billion pound deal to sell Saudi Arabia dozens of Eurofighter Typhoon jets "-

.....now the Americans also sell:

"sales would include advanced weaponry, missile guidance systems, upgraded fighter jets and naval ships."++

.....the question come to me:..

....Is Saudi Arabia arming to fight terrorists or to try to Fight us....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at September 20, 2007 2:53 PM

...by the way...Saudia Arabia has a poor record when it comes to fighting terrorists....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at September 20, 2007 3:10 PM

The US MUST develop its own energy supplies, and alternative energy sources. This government is just dickin' around as if we have forever to do so. We should be on a wartime footing for energy development.
The Saudis and all the other so-called friendly Middle Eastern nations are just stringing us along as they fund terrorists against all free and/or democratic countries. If we allow Iran to acquire a nuclear device after all this posturing and mouthing off, I'm certain they will use it against us, the infidels.
How can any religion sanction death to others?

Posted by: Hebrew Handyman at September 20, 2007 3:12 PM

They can buy all the weapons they want but they still need motivated troops to utilize them. In addition, they need an army logisitical and support people to keep the running and for repair. Fortunatly, I would guess they are a long way off from this...

Posted by: adobe at September 20, 2007 3:15 PM

Send an EMP over Saudi Arabia and the rest of the middle east. Send them back 5 years. ha ha ha

Posted by: The Goobs at September 20, 2007 3:16 PM

The US MUST develop its own energy supplies, and alternative energy sources. This government is just dickin' around as if we have forever to do so. We should be on a wartime footing for energy development. Posted by Hebrew Handyman

Hey Hebrew Handyman, we already have the technology. What is lacking is the will in Washington. The globalist buttwipe puppets in Washington are kissing the asses of the oil companies. Why should the oil companies give up their profits? Why should those richy rich who buy their oil stocks give up making big profits? (that would include the creeps in Washington too).

As soon as the oil companies can figure a way to make big profit on another type of energy, they'll change over to that source. In the meantime, they'll stop the American people from getting energy efficient cars like in Europe or an alternative fuel. If Brazil can do it, so could the greatest country in the world. That IS what we were supposed to be isn't it????

Same goes for the healthcare system. As long as the puppets in Washington are paid off by lobbyists for the health insurance industry, we will only hear bad things about national health insurance. Hell, I don't even like Michale Moore, but did YOU get SICKO in your theaters? Someone shut that movie down bigtime! Insurance companies make too much money off Americans to ever relinquish their profits by agreeing to national health care. So they contribute to the greedy bastards in Washington (campaign) and buy their votes.

If you think national health care is bad - ask any Canadian or Brit or French or German citizen if they want to give it up for the American Insurance system. They'll laugh in your face.

Posted by: The Goobs at September 20, 2007 3:24 PM

Somebody needs to prod the Bush Administration to take action to cut that deficit they've been running up-- and fast. It would also be a good idea for this administration to get a start on ramping up industrial production on American territory so as to reduce the nation's dependence on imported manufactured goods and thereby make a start on cutting the enormous trade gap the nation has run up as both these deficits are causing the US dollar to implode and undermine US economic leverage overseas.

Taxing wealthy tax-cheats wouldn't be a bad place to start (as the government is owed enough by these people to entirely eliminate the federal deficit).

Posted by: pythagoras at September 20, 2007 3:28 PM

We need to keep that 20 billion worth of weapons for our own use.

20 Billion would buy alot of replacement cruse Missiles. About 1 billions worth would turn the Oil fields and related infrastructure into one big Nation wide Bon Fire.

Posted by: flowerknife_us at September 20, 2007 3:37 PM

We are truly lead by mentally-deranged blue-bloods.

Posted by: Foehammer at September 20, 2007 3:41 PM

Sell them the arms, on condition that they use them to attack nuclear sites in Iran. The same goes for Egypt.

They're playing us like fools. They want us to attack Iran so they can sit back and play the "good Muslim" game that they wouldn't attack a fellow Muslim country. That's what they did with Iraq, and we're going to be suckered into the same thing with Iran.

If they're afraid of Iran, let them do the dirty work for a change.

Posted by: rational at September 20, 2007 4:15 PM

Saudi Arabia isn't afraid of Iran: the are allied with them.

Really, people, pay closer attention.

Posted by: Foehammer at September 20, 2007 4:25 PM

The U.S. Government wants a dollar collapse so they can get to the Amero, one step closer to the NAU, much quicker.

Posted by: Greek Fire at September 20, 2007 4:29 PM

I am against any arms deals with Saudia Arabia, but I wouldn't worry so much about an upcoming collapse of the dollar or the U.S. economy.

If the dollar collapses, oil prices will go way down and everyone---including the ME sheiks, the Chinese, etc. will be wounded just as much as we would be.

If the U.S economy goes into recession, oil prices will go way down and everyone---including the ME sheiks, the Chinese, etc. will be wounded just as much as we would be..

Prosperity in these countries is very much dependent on a prosperous West, and a prosperous U.S. in particular.

In terms of being self-sufficient, it would be easier for the U.S. to re-start the auto industry from scratch with purely domestic production than it would be for Saudi Arabia to manufacture a decent grocery cart.

Posted by: JSobieski at September 20, 2007 4:30 PM

I dare anyone to prove what I just stated wrong, btw. Show me evidence that there is real enmity between Iran/Syria and Saudi Arabia. I already know that all three have been having clandestine meetings and a few open ones. There's little doubt in my mind that the entire span of Arab Muslim states is aligned against the West. They are chipping away at us bit by bit and they are winning. We fall into so many propaganda traps and misdirections we are like infants. It's disgusting.

Now when the conflict escalates, I will fully expect China and Russia to back Iran and Saudi Arabia to continue to buy huge parts of all our nations while the threats ring louder and louder between "empires" on all sides.

Yeah, this is going to turn into quite the mess.

Posted by: Foehammer at September 20, 2007 4:31 PM

"If you think national health care is bad - ask any Canadian or Brit or French or German citizen if they want to give it up for the American Insurance system. They'll laugh in your face."

Soory Goobs.....my sister has lived in England for twenty years(married to a brit)and complains constantly about the poor service of the English health care system as well as the cost. The cost? I thought it was free. No they pay through the you know what in taxes etc for this "free" health care.

Same with Canadians. I deal with many in my buisness and one recently had to cancel her vacation because her surgery was scheduled for the same dates as her vacation and if she had skipped it she would have had to wait at least nine months for a new date.

Rationed health care is what it should be called instead of National health care.

Posted by: RedTemplar at September 20, 2007 4:36 PM

Allahfanculo,

you ask,

"What compels us to keep on tolerating the intolerant?"

And the answer is . . .

Bush and the moslem-loving Leftists.

At the opposite ends of the spectrum are they? Yes, but nevertheless . . .

Posted by: unicorns62000 at September 20, 2007 4:36 PM

Allahfanculo, a list of threatened persons is a good idea and long overdue.

I'd say there are quite a few more, also in Australia. And Ralph Giordano is not even on the list.

We should keep this list circulating...

http://sheikyermami.com/2007/09/20/latest-news-from-the-religion-of-peace/

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at September 20, 2007 4:42 PM

Would it be cheaper to simply colonize Saudi Arabia and pump the oil freely? Move the natives onto reservations, pump in millions of colonists and take over.

It what prosperous civilizations do.

Posted by: mike trivisonno at September 20, 2007 4:43 PM

Unicorns62000:

The common link is political correctness.

What is scary is that Bush was allegedly a "conservative" Christian from Texas. Given that profile, you would think he would be pretty low on the PC-scale. What are the odds we do better next time around?

It is going to get worse before it gets better.

Posted by: JSobieski at September 20, 2007 4:43 PM

Unicorns62000:

The common link is political correctness.

What is scary is that Bush was allegedly a "conservative" Christian from Texas. Given that profile, you would think he would be pretty low on the PC-scale. What are the odds we do better next time around?

It is going to get worse before it gets better.

Posted by: JSobieski at September 20, 2007 4:44 PM

Greek Fire....I agree.

My family traveled to Israel back in the 70's and several Israelis told my father that Russia's fall was coming. After that it would be Europe, OPEC, and the U.N. that bring down America by a financial collapse.

They told him that it was because of America's dependancy on Middle East oil and the Democrats fight to restrict American exploration and development of U.S. oil that this would be achieved.

They said two things would happen for the collapse to take place; huge amounts of transferred wealth from America for oil, and America to have so much debt that they have a credit crisis. They said once that occured the dollar would have no value and America would lose it's independance.

We know George Soros is already successful by causing countries to experience currency collapses. I find it ironic that we are now being faced with a currency collapse. Any coincidence?

Posted by: alaskan1000 at September 20, 2007 5:03 PM

"Laissez les bons temps rouler!"

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at September 20, 2007 5:23 PM

JSobieski,

You said,

"The common link {between Bush and the Left] is political correctness."

Yes, but Bush's is infused with more than a dash of Saudi relations. That of the Left is based on idiocy: the "poor, downtrodden 'Palestinians,'" a feeling of kinship with the unwashed, underpriviledged masses of the Islamic world (Arab street included), who would be more priviledged were they to get off their a**es and work, and the remnant of the 60s-70s flower-children attitude that it is better to let oneself be killed than to harm another being.

The Left also is infected with the communist- socialist Jew-dislike, making it side with the Islamics.

As to your

"What are the odds we do better next time around?
It is going to get worse before it gets better."

If we elect the Clinton harpy or B. Hussein Obama--whose religio-political formative years in Islamic schools and countries make him more than a little suspect, no matter what his oratorial skills, we will succumb to the Islamics.

We must watch to see whom Bush & Co. support for the presidency, and avoid that or those choices.

If we elect a strong leader--not one beholden to Saudi or Chinese interests, we stand a chance. If we slide into an Islam-courting and corrupted administration, then all is not lost.

The American people (sans Islamics and their handmaidens) are slowly awakening. They (we) will not go under without a struggle.

Posted by: unicorns62000 at September 20, 2007 5:32 PM

Bush in $20 billion arms deal with Saudis; Saudis threatening dollar collapse

Why does this man have a psychotic fixation on giving away American tax dollars or giving arms deals that will sooner or later kill Americans -- in increments of 20 give or take a billion?

Maybe some twisted association with the 80/20 rule?

Posted by: witness at September 20, 2007 6:10 PM

"...barbarian stoners..." -- Posted by: Allahfanculo

If only we could pacify these particular stoners with some yummy munchies.

Posted by: Josephine at September 20, 2007 6:16 PM

Drilling locally for oil will stop the need for importing oil. ANWR at best will give us about a year's worth of oil at our current consumption rate- provided we don't sell it to the Japanese or Chinese.

The bottom line is that we use too damn much of oil. Americans think they have a Constituional right to drive humongous gasguzzling codpieces like Armadas, Tahoes, Excursions and F-250's till the cows come home.

And every time Congress tries to raise fuel efficiency rates Detroit and Conservatives scream like stuck pigs.

And instead of energy efficient rail transport we use fleets of 18 wheelers to transport goods across the country.

IMO our stupid energy guzzling behaviors won't stop until we are hit with a actual shortage which will force us to make the hard decisons we should have made decades earlier.

Posted by: waltc at September 20, 2007 6:17 PM

I wish our governments didn't give our tax money away to these terrorist and terrorist-enabling countries and I wish they didn't sell arms to them. They are our enemies: why should we arm or support them in any way?

The House of Saud should be responsible for supporting their "brothers and sisters" in all of the Muslim countries. They can certainly afford it, so why should it be our responsibility? They don't need our charity.

Posted by: Josephine at September 20, 2007 6:27 PM

If they were really stoners, they wouldn't be barbarians. They'd be laid back, sitting around munching dates and hummus all day.

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at September 20, 2007 6:31 PM

One of the cries issued in the American war of Independence was no taxes without representation. Nothing much has changed apart from now it is no taxes with representation. Taxes are necessary in a modern high tech society. Certain things can't be left to private enterprise, defense for example police customs and excise, I am certain you could think of a few more and none of them come cheap in fact the cost is increasing almost exponentially. The price of a new American B2 bomber would have built a 1,000 airfield and paid for 20,000 spitfires. Things have got so ridiculous, a couple of them would have financed the Manhattan project. The problem is Politicians don't like to raise taxes it losses them votes so they fudge the issue give you plenty of spin move the deck chairs around that always looks as if they doing something. They are not very good at bitting the bullet.

In the end they are usually forced to do something when things get too bad if a deficit gets too big. They raise taxes and cut expenditure and that usually gets things back into balance, but the result is usually the demise of the politicians.

If you are a reserve currency though this gives you a bit more leeway. But in the end there is usually a reckoning.

After World War II America owned about 60% of the worlds gold reserves and produced 40% of its wealth. They were in a unique position and used it to dictate how the worlds monetary system would be run. The Breton Wood agreement was the result of American dictation. It wasn't a bad agreement by the way. The price of Gold was set at I think 35 dollars an ounce. The Dollar in fact became the de facto worlds reserve currency. It would have worked if the Gold had sat in Fort Knox. Being a reserve currency can be a nice little earner lots and lots of nice little commissions. Country A sells goods too country B but demands payment in Dollars because it does not trust the currency of country B. Country B has to buy dollars and so it goes on. It also gives you the ability to buy foreign assets by printing money.

The trouble really starts when you start to run a deficit on current account. There seems to be this temptation to print more dollars instead of raising taxation. People will accept the dollars if the deficit is not too big. Even if you deficit is not too big it can cause problems if you have a political agenda. General De Gaulle not a great friend of America started a run on the American Gold reserves in the 50s and 60s by demanding payment in gold. American Gold reserves started to shrink. It is not very difficult to see the consequences. The quantity of all that backing of all those extra dollars you have been tempted to print starts to fall. In the end America had to let the price of Gold float. Nixon took America off the Gold Standard.

Now comes the interesting point who in his right mind would accept payment in Dollars if it had no backing and the current account is worsening. Luckily the American dollar was saved by the Jom Kippur War, and the rise in the price of oil. Here was the deal of the century. It is a little known fact but America made a deal with Saudi Arabia, well at least the house of Saud who are corruptible to put it mildly. America would keep them in power as long as they put there profits in Government bonds the interest of which would go to modernize Saudi using America companies adjust the price of oil to the needs of the oil companies and what is more important only sell oil for Dollars. America underpinned the dollar with oil, instead of the currency being backed by gold it is backed by oil. It worked well when Saudi was a swing producer and the oil just gushed up out of the ground and you could switch it on and off to control price, now you have to pump it out.

America could have got themselves out of the problem if they had wanted too but they chose not too, and for good reasons. The 100 mile per gallon car is possible and could have been the norm now in America if the Government had chosen to go that way, but they didn't, they chose the easy way deficit spending is a great way to stay in office ask Ronald Reagan and George (read my lips) Bush. The dollar was backed by oil, they had an agreement, they could be as profligate as they liked as long as the Saudis played ball. The Saudis have certainly done that and the American Government has protected them. Ask yourself why so many Saudis were whisked out of the country after 9/11. Ask yourself why they are allowed to proselytize their religion and get treated with kid gloves. Why representatives of the American Government keep harping on about our friendship with Saudi. Ask yourselfs why American women soldiers in Saudi had to walk around in a Black bag, Why Saudi terrorists are allowed to enter Iraq and hardly a word is said. Ask your selfs why we allow ourself to be humiliated. The answer is that the american dollar is backed by Saudi Oil.

The problem now is, that the American Dollar backed by oil is nearing its sell by date external debt is just a tad to high the American politicians have refused to bit the bullet, they have been profligate spenders . The twitch in the housing market in America has had a knock on effect over the whole world. Northern Rock the fifth biggest mortgage firm in England is being propped up at this moment by the British Government. They have not done it before on such a scale. Do you think that the Saudis want to see all that investment in American Government stock go down the tube. The world economy is teetering on the brink of a massive recession. It will be interesting to see how things go, the Saudis are no longer a swing producer and can no longer influence the price of oil and if they chose to sell their oil in another currency and allow the oil price to float the American dollar will affectively be decoupled from oil the same way Nixon decoupled the dollar from gold. The consequences will be a nightmare. The 1929 crash will look like a kiddies tea party.

The point is that it all could have been avoided. America had the ability the technology and the money to have cured this 30 years ago, but chose not to do it. All the conservation efforts and tax breaks were allowed to lapse apart from the ones to the oil companies. It is a well know scientific fact that petrol does not burn, what burns is the gas that petrol gives off. Why is it after thirty years we are still injecting petrol as fine droplets into the engine cylinders where it is only partially burnt and and all the partially burnt residue has to go through an expensive catalytic converter. Get rid of the additives that inhibit vaporisation, vaporise the Petrol by using the exhaust heat and feed it to the carburetter and your mileage goes up and what is better still you don't need a converter. Why was this not done?

Why is it that America who have novel proven technologies that could have been put into production years ago and saved America billions in imported oil have not done so? If you would like to read about one go here, you will be surprised

http://www.blacklightpower.com/

This technology has been peer reviewed, this is real, there are plenty of others. A few million dollars invested a few year ago would have made America energy independent. Instead America chose to invest Billions in Nuclear fusion that are decades away, why?

Posted by: Holger Dansker at September 20, 2007 6:31 PM

Hmmm...well the solution to this problem is a no-brainer.

Offer the same deal to who needs it most, against the real puppetmaster of the entire terror cast via asymmetric warfare-the SCO & chinese occupation forces in mainland china:

Give it to TAIWAN-the REAL Republic of China.
It will put them ALL on notice...if ya think Israel's hit on the nuke target in syria made them all panic...this will scare the living piss out of them.

Posted by: jcom972 at September 20, 2007 6:32 PM

And the US with enough debt to drown several future generations is called the richest nation?

Why does the US continue to give money it doesn't have to other nations. Nations like Saudi Arabia that doesn't need any money from anyone. It is rich.

Posted by: Borg at September 20, 2007 8:00 PM

The electric car is already here.

The Tesla.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOl_1S10jTk

Posted by: Borg at September 20, 2007 9:08 PM

"If you think national health care is bad - ask any Canadian or Brit or French or German citizen if they want to give it up for the American Insurance system. They'll laugh in your face."

You're right Goobs, Capitalist Americans are idiots. They could learn a lot from Canada and France. When's the last time Canada started a war?

Posted by: SmartGrowthAdvocate at September 20, 2007 9:20 PM

oh pez, pez, pez

in your idyllic portrait of the United States in 1928 (one year before everything fell to pieces in the stock market crash - how come, if everything was so wonderful in 1928?) - one of the main things that seems to please you is that 'women had only been voting for eight years' [implication: the Evil Female Vote had not yet had time to do its wicked work of Corruption and Weakening of Society - ?are you a closet Muslim? or Nietzschean, perhaps - 'when you go to woman, take your whip?'].

Does that mean that you, a man in a modern Western democracy, seriously think that Western women, in general, ALL women aged 18 and upwards, cannot, ever, under any circumstances, no matter what, be trusted with a vote - with a voice - in a representative democracy? And should not have been? And that America's, and the West's, ills, for the last 100 years, must be sheeted home in large part to the WOMEN who voted in those various elections?

Go on. Go to your local PTA meeting and try telling the soccer moms there that Women Voting Has Destroyed The West.

But I do think you'd be much better going there to tell them what Sharia law and Jihad have always done to women, to Muslim women and non-Muslim women. Tell them about the devshirme, and the harems all over the Empire of Islam stuffed with kidnapped and raped non-Muslim sex-slaves, and that charming Ottoman sultan who tied up his entire harem in sacks and threw them into the Bosphorus. Tell them, in gory detail, about FGM and how it is permitted, winked at, even embraced, by many Islamised countries. Tell them about the wife-beating verse in the Qur'an, and the 'four male witnesses to prove a rape' rule. Oh yes: and tell them how to spot a dhimmi politician, so they can know NOT to vote for him or her. Tell them Hugh's counsels on how to limit the spread of Islam, so they can educate their congressmen - and their husbands - and their kids who will grow up to vote and to fight. Tell the ones who have sons or husbands or brothers in Iraq, or Afghanistan, about the culture of treachery and lies into which their men have been plunged - herding Kilkenny cats.

Because if ALL the women, of voting age, in Western democracies, really 'get' what Islam does, and has always done, to women, and what it would mean for them and their female descendants to live in an Islamised society; and if they then dispose their vote only toward those who show signs of also understanding this peril; then we will be a long way toward winning this war.

It is we women who have most to lose from a Muslim takeover - for whether we became Muslim, or dhimmi, either way we would be plunged into a bottomless abyss of slavery and violence and mental paralysis and a ruthless sexual double standard, shut out of education, excluded from public life, smothered by the veil, raped with impunity, dying in childbirth or watching our babies die because of Muslim administrative chaos and corruption destroying public infrastructure and health services.

Please, pez: instead of telling us women at every opportunity that our vote is BAAAD - how 'bout encouraging every woman you know, to use her vote to help fend off the Jihad and stop Sharia sneaking in the back door?

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at September 20, 2007 9:36 PM

And the solar car could be too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_lSxhTatUU&mode=related&search=

Posted by: Borg at September 20, 2007 9:36 PM

wow...such enlightened tidbits of wisdom from fans of SPindymedia & the DailyKook.
Marvelous! lol

Posted by: jcom972 at September 20, 2007 9:45 PM

And this could work. It already does!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Jsqf5CEUI0&mode=related&search=

A Prius that is electric and solar. No gas ever.

Posted by: Borg at September 20, 2007 9:49 PM

waltc,
You are so right. Americans don't want to save energy. That's the sad part. We are destroying ourselves with our own greed and selfishness.

Posted by: non-redneck at September 20, 2007 10:14 PM

This is one incredible thread.

As to the story, keep your eyes on this one. This keeps me up at night, worrying what will happen if the Chinese or Japanese find the need to raise some cash, because of a bear stock market, for example, and decide to sell a few hundred billion dollars of US Treasury securities. To finance our debt and compete on world debt markets, we'd need to raise our own interest rates significantly. CRASH!!!

We need a line item veto - and those cool inventions, and solar cells, and hydrogen cells, and fission, and fusion, and ANWR and offshore drilling, etc.

Posted by: Surak at September 20, 2007 10:19 PM

LMAO@ OT pahblum...

wrong,
we do not mind ideas to save energy at all...we just prefer ideas not coming from the mother jones crowd who imply if we don't do it their way, it's wrong.
...we prefer practicality over politics, which is what the brownshirted politically correct eco-gestapo's dogma is all about...and way off topic at that.

Posted by: jcom972 at September 20, 2007 10:40 PM

The enemy is Globalism, which started just after Tricky Dick took us off of the Gold Standard. That opened the floodgates to a carefully planned movement of unsecured risk-taking and profiteering gambits that have paid off quite nicely. The projection of US military might would guarantee that the system would not fail. Those who still believe-- the neocons-- imagine that this juggernaut will simply mow down any threat from Islam, or anyone else. They also imagine that the serious problems stemming from almost unrestricted, non-discriminatory immigration will be smoothed over easily. Ultimately these beliefs are nightmarishly wrong-headed.

To learn more about Globalism, see this:

http://www.augustreview.com/

Our dollar needs to be pegged to something valuable that we have control over.

Posted by: lycaste at September 20, 2007 10:51 PM

from my above post:

amend "simply mow down" with the more important idea that these folks believe anyone and everyone can be dealt in. With everyone playing the game, how could it go wrong?

Posted by: lycaste at September 20, 2007 11:00 PM

Good point...how about URANUIM.
Or better yet, the most basic and common commodity nobody can live long without, and will be THE war issue this century: clean drinking water.

The west would OWN the place...and the rest know it.

Posted by: jcom972 at September 20, 2007 11:05 PM

ugh, that's URANIUM.
typonese, lol

Posted by: jcom972 at September 20, 2007 11:06 PM

I dont know why you americans would want to sell your weapons to Saudi Arabia, unless its to stop Russia selling theirs.

On the point of the currencies, now that IS something I know about.

In a free market, no currencies should be pegged. They cause capital inbalances, and harm both the pegger and the pegee currencies. The biggest currency peg in the world is the Euro, and look at the problems that has caused for the member economies.

If USD goes down significantly, what will that mean to you? Your cheap foreign imports wont be so cheap anymore. How about "Made in America" instead?

Is that such a bad thing?

Oh and we in Australia buy your weapons, thanks for that, and our currency is not pegged to yours. I dont see anyone asking that it is..

Posted by: payingattention at September 21, 2007 6:30 AM

Any weapons sold to Saudi Arabia are weapons for a cut throat marauding tyranny documented to be on a bent of world conquest by the sedition they spread in mosques worldwide. These antisocial infidelphobic psychopaths need to be medicated. U.S. foreign policy should be to immediately require an annual payment from Saudi of 1/2 trillion dollars for an access fee to sell oil to U.S. markets. The U.S. should also insist the Saudis pay a 1/2 trillion dollar annual fee to offset Saudi indemnity responsibility for Ben Laden and other "Saudis" involved in the worldwide Jihad. Where the Islamic world is concerned the west needs to bring back a system of enlightened imperialism. Infidel reparations should be demanded of the Saudis until they renounce jiyza and other aspects of Islamic ideology which is simply a criminal scheme to subvert the world. Selling weapons to these criminals is an idiotic strategy, the proverbial letting the Muslim care for your lamb the day of their Eid Ul Firth.

Posted by: David England at September 21, 2007 7:03 AM

For these and other questions as to why bush does anything, follow the g*ddamn money:

Mubadala, a wholly owned investment arm of the Abu Dhabi government, bought a 7.5 percent share of the Carlyle Group in a transaction where the deal price was struck at a 10 percent discount to a valuation of $20 billion for all of the Carlyle Group.

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57763

and ...

In a complex set of transactions, Dubai is moving to acquire 19.9 percent of the Nasdaq in New York, placing the Arab government in an ownership position of the key U.S. stock exchange and raising concerns in Congress.

As a result of the transaction, Dubai also will acquire 28 percent of the London Stock Exchange, one of the oldest and largest in the world.

The transaction is being made through Borse Dubai, a holding company 100-percent owned by the government of the Emirate of Dubai and controlled by Mohammed bin Rashid al-Maktoum, the head of the Dubai ruling family.

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57749

As I said, increments of 20 give or take a billion.

Posted by: witness at September 21, 2007 7:10 AM

Mandate 60 MPG CARS/SUVs
If GM, Ford & Damiler/Chrysler would build hybrids and alternative fuel vehicles (use composite fiber bodies for lighter weight-incredible strength) and put ethanol pumps at every dealership they would have increasing business and market share.The time has come to mandate phasing in all new car and trucks sold in the U.S.A. be hybrid or alternative energy vehicles and reach 60 M.P.G., just like Honda and Toyota are doing now! There should be a 4 year phase in with 25% the first year, 50% ths 2nd year 75% the 3rd year, and 100% the 4th year. Imagine how that would cut the U.S. Oil imports improve U.S. car production and sales, and clean up the environment! If Brazil a 3rd world country can run their vehicles on Ethanol from sugarcane & it's waste, why don't we create a government crashplan to do the same along with hydrogen production and mandate both be available at the gas stations of the U.S.A.? The reason it won't even be looked at in Congress or Vetoed by President Bush is that they owe large political favors to their Democratic and Republican Big Auto & Big Oil Business executive political contributors and they have never made as large a profit as they have under their front-people in Congress and the Whitehouse & Staff! (The Big Auto management are part of the interlocking boards and social network with Big Oil's people, all a bunch of happy pigs at the money-trough and have squeezed us by monopoly at the gas pumps and car showrooms!)
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ABOLISH W.T.O., G.A.T.T. & N.A.F.T.A. & C.A.F.T.A. & ALL TRADE AGREEMENTS and replace them with BALANCED TRADE!

The solution to bring back U.S.A. prosperity and real democratic representation not bought by SPECIAL INTERESTS, BIG OIL & MUSLIM DICTATORSHIPS OR COMMUNIST DICTATORSHIPS are 5 Constitutional Amendments:

#1. Balanced Trade: every country who sells in the U.S.A. should buy equal amount of products from the U.S.A.

#2. Public Financing of All Political Elections: (Federal, State, County, City or Township) with no personal or outside contributions! see: wwwjust6.org

#3 National Referendum Votes: (for Federal, State, County, City, & Township)4 times a year where citizens can over ride the President, Congress, & the Supreme Court and any politician with a 2/3 majority! (like Switzerland or Scandinavian countries)

#4 Environmental & Worker's Human Rights Amendment-Enforce all worker rights in a worldwide trading partner to unionize, have health and safety standards, human rights standards, and enforce all world standards for environmental manufacturing and disposal of hazardous materials with loss of trade for non-compliance! ( see www.amnestyinternational.org)

#5 Citizenship, Property Rights, & Financial Assets Ownership will not be automaticly granted to any person or child born in the U.S.A.'s 50 states until it is documented that the person is a legal U.S. citizen , legal resident alien, or by the birth records of the parents that at
least one parent is a legal citizen or legal resident alien of the U.S.A. with no foreign ownership allowed of U.S. companies, financial assets or real estate. ( see www.wehirealiens.com)

Until then we have Government Of The Rich, By The Rich & For The Rich ruining the U.S.A. through exploitation of tax loopholes, trade and import treaties and illegal alien labor!

P.S. I BOYCOTT WAL-MART & SAM'S CLUB (A.K.A. SLAVE-MART for the treatment of their employees and their Foreign Sweatshop Suppliers treatment of their employees)& YOU SHOULD TOO BECAUSE THEY ARE MONOPOLISTS, ANTI-ENVIRONMENT, ANTI-UNION, ANTI-SMALL BUSINESS, ANTI-WOMEN, ANTI-ENVOIRNMENT,ANTI-FREE SPEECH IN MEDIA, ANTI-FULL TIME WORKERS, ANTI-WORKER BENEFITS,ARE THE WORLD'S LARGEST IMPORTER FROM COMMUNIST CHINA & MUSLIM DICTATORSHIPS,& EMPLOY ILLEGAL ALIENS AS SUBCONTACTORS TO BUILD & CLEAN THEIR STORES: see info at http://walmartwatch.com

P.S.S. Wal-Mart's owners the Waltons want you to vote for Hillary Clinton (she was their lawyer at Rose Law Firm with Vince Foster( who mysteriously was found dead), and Wal-Mart Board Member with Sam Walton). The Waltons of Wal-Mart previously funded the Clinton's political campaigns along with Clinton /Gore & Bush/Cheney both administrations that exported jobs and capital and imported goods and services and tolerated millions of illegal aliens employed in the companies of their main campaign contributors!

Boycott all TYSON FOODS & CARGILL CORPORATION PRODUCTS for hiring illegal alien subcontractors! Boycott all the products of companies that hire illegal aliens or subcontacters employing illegal aliens instead of American Citizens or Legal Residents!
see: www.wehirealiens.com
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BUSH, 9/11 The Saudi Muslim Connection

As President Bush & Administration are coming under increasing pressure to explain its close relationship with a "Saudi government that not only provided significant money and aid to the suicide hijackers but also allowed potentially hundreds of millions of dollars to flow to Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups." Newsday reported the family of the FBI's late counterterrorism chief who was killed in the 9/11 attacks "filed lawsuits Wednesday accusing Saudi Arabia of aiding terrorists worldwide." And today, an explosive excerpt from the new book "House of Bush, House of Saud" examines how top White House officials orchestrated the post-9/11 exodus of Osama bin Laden's relatives before U.S. law enforcement officers could ask them for critical details about the Al Qaeda leader and his terror network. Meanwhile, Time Magazine reports "the Saudis still appear to be protecting charities associated with the royal family" which funnel money to terrorists. And yet, despite all this, President Bush has continued to praise Saudi Arabia, has invited Saudi government leaders to his Crawford mansion, and in general is far "cozier than most [Presidents] to Riyadh." As Vanity Fair noted, "the Bush-Saudi relationship raises serious questions, if only because it is so extraordinary for two presidents to share such a long and rich personal history with any foreign power" - especially one that has been so closely implicated in the 9/11 attacks. And despite the calls to get tough, Time Magazine concludes that the Administration's all-too-close ties to the Saudi royal family makes "it seem unlikely that the Bush Administration will adopt a tougher policy toward Riyadh."

BEFORE 9/11 - WHAT WAS KNOWN ABOUT THE SAUDIS: According to U.S. News, a 1996 CIA report found that a third of the 50 Saudi-backed charities it studied "were tied to terrorist groups." Similarly, a 1998 report by the National Security Council had identified the Saudi government as "the epicenter" of terrorist financing, becoming "the single greatest force in spreading Islamic fundamentalism" and "funneling hundreds of millions of dollars to jihad groups and al Qaeda cells around the world." Over the past decade, "al Qaeda and its fellow jihadists collected between $300 million and $500 million - most of it from Saudi charities and private donors" and the very "origins of al Qaeda are intimately bound up with the Saudi charities." At the same time, these Al Qaeda-Saudi government ties were strengthening, U.S. "inquiries about bin Laden went unanswered by Riyadh. When Hezbollah terrorists killed 19 U.S. troops with a massive truck bomb at Khobar Towers in Dhahran in 1996, Saudi officials stonewalled, then shut the FBI out of the investigation."

BEFORE 9/11 - STRENGTHENED BUSH-SAUDI TIES: Despite the clear ties to terror, the Bush Administration maintained and strengthened its ties to the Saudi government upon taking office. As the Boston Herald reported, a "revolving U.S.-Saudi money wheel" exists "within President Bush's own coterie of foreign policy advisers." First and foremost, the current President's father "remains a senior adviser to the Carlyle Group" - an investment bank with deep connections to the Saudi royal family, and received $1 million for his Presidential library from the royal family. George W. Bush "himself is also linked" to the Saudi-backed Carlyle Group: he was a director of a Carlyle subsidiary called called Caterair. National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice "is a former longtime member of the board of Chevron which did business in the Saudi desert." And Vice President Cheney's tenure as CEO of oil giant Halliburton was among his dealings with "firms connected to the Saudis that paid big dividends."

BOYCOTT MUSLIM DICTATORS that support WAHHABI ISLAMIC TERRORIST TEACHING in schools, books, mosques! Documented at http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/saudi/analyses/wahhabism.html

Posted by: UniversalSoldierOfFreedom at September 21, 2007 2:45 PM

Though many of the principles can be agreeable (since many of the factoids mentioned do have basis-in-fact), but let's try invoking a source a less militantly left than Pahblum Broadcasting System and kook-fringe militants like walmartwatch (see their connections via "network" link-hence, you can judge a person/group by the company they keep).
and a little more common sense than the pro-chomsky mentalities masquerading as "mainstream" when they're not.

Posted by: jcom972 at September 21, 2007 6:51 PM

Greek Fire;

If the US dollar collapsed the US government would NEVER be able to launch the NAU as it would at that point lack the economic strength to launch much of anything.

Posted by: pythagoras at September 21, 2007 7:10 PM

Recent Alaskan petroleum finds include a field with over 40 billion barrels of recoverable petroleum. This will buy us some time to get off our fossil fuel fix and our dependence on foreign oil.

America is NOT desperate OR dependent on the Middle East whatever else may be going on here.

And, yes, George Soros is a Commmunist menace to the US' economy and that is one good reason for not voting for candidates of the Democratic Party as he now owns it.

Posted by: pythagoras at September 21, 2007 7:18 PM

Even bigger is the Permian/Green River Basin (oil sands there are even softer than athabasca's in Canada, which is our #1 import source & has been for over 3 years now...and the Basin is also even bigger than AOS, too.

I've posted repeatedly how saudi hasn't been #1 for some time now, though they do flux between #3 & #5 (their oil is heavy-sweet, not light sweet, so only 10% of our cat crackers can use it, and NONE of our west coast refineries can use it at all...NONE) so not gonna bother since it's continually ignored for some odd reason (even when it's DOEs own official records)

Our problem isn't oil per se (oil's useless until it's refined into gasoline, diesel, etc)...it's the eco-gestapo preventing every move they have no socialist control over (oil fields of every size, type and locale, ANWR, refineries, pipelines, tankers, etc ad nauseum, which only serves to aid & abet the enemy-and some of them make no secret of that fact either)...get 'em out of the way and that can end tomorrow.

And you're right pythagoras...(his birth name is georg schwarz) he's not just a commie, he was a "capo" of sorts during WWII, aiding and abetting the nazis on the "jewish question"...no, not in a camp beating his fellow jews, but outside turning in fellow jews to save his own pathetically narcissistic ass, thus shouldn't even have US citizenship at all as he's a F'ING GUILTY as EICHMANN...but that's another forum. That's why i call him the capo...and he F'ING DESERVES IT.

Posted by: jcom972 at September 21, 2007 7:37 PM

Oh, here's a great cartoon on that asshat, too.
http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/20070921RZ1AP-MoveOn.jpg
utterly hilarious...and the shoe fits, too.
lol

Posted by: jcom972 at September 22, 2007 2:52 AM

And for the sidesteppers on their own side-agenda, here's a little tidbit to chew on...
http://www.newsmax.com/hostetter/oil_reserves/2007/09/19/33994.html
Enjoy.
;-)

Posted by: jcom972 at September 25, 2007 2:16 AM