"The Iranian president, in an interview to air Sunday on "60 Minutes," indicated he would not press the issue. "I won't insist," Ahmadinejad said, although he expressed disbelief that the visit would offend Americans. "

.....Perhaps he could tour Walter Reed Hospital and see what Iranian IEDs do to Americans...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at September 21, 2007 8:30 AM

The idea of Ahmadinejad as an honored guest anywhere in the Western World is offensive to me, and should be offensive to all of us.

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at September 21, 2007 8:30 AM

I fine is highly offensive that we'd allow Ahmadinejad to set foot on our soil.

As far as I'm concerned, it'd be fine with me if Pres. Tom's airplane had a severe mechanical malfunction somewhere over the mid Atlantic and he never arrived in NYC.

Posted by: livefreeordie! at September 21, 2007 8:39 AM

Could it be that the Iranians got the message that the GZ site may end up having a gathering of certain people wearing blue and it could be possible that President Nutjob of Iran took a look at the video of the University of Florida student that had been tassered by the campus police this past Monday at a Sen John Kerry talk. Maybe, just maybe President Nutjob got it into his head that the NYPD and the Port Authority Police are going to have tassers on them in order to send a message that he is not welcomed.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at September 21, 2007 8:47 AM

...Or it could be possible that the Secret Service warned President Nutjob directly not to mess with the NYPD and the PA Police.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at September 21, 2007 8:52 AM

Last night Jay Leno spoke in his monologue about ImANutJob wanting to go to ground zero and then proposed: 'why can't we take ground zero to him?' LOL.

Posted by: sounder at September 21, 2007 8:56 AM

I wonder if he will be asked tought or softball questions

Posted by: Elric66 at September 21, 2007 9:04 AM

Alternatively, one could argue that if President Ahmadinejad were allowed to speak at Columbia University and visit Ground Zero, Americans could rightly claim that they honouring the man's universal right to freedom of speech.

By giving Ahmadinejad, a sworn enemy of the US government, this right, the Americans are elevating principles over politics.

But would the Iranian government return the compliment and allow George Bush to make speeches and travel to their most sacred sites - and pay to protect him? I doubt it. Also, would Muslims be happy if Bush and his entourage went on a tour of Mecca?

That said, US taxpayers have every reason to ask why they are being forced to fund the cost of hospitality for, and the protection of, this loathsome man. I hope Americans give him a suitably hostile welcome.

Posted by: A Nonny Nonny at September 21, 2007 9:04 AM

Well, if he is allowed into the US, that might be the perfect time to start hitting bases inside Iran that train and supply the jihadis in Iraq. Imagine, at the very moment that the nutty "president" was addressing the UN, the US would be bombing his territory. I know, it is way too much to hope for from the Bush admin. Too bad, really.

Posted by: Minority of One at September 21, 2007 9:09 AM

I posted a story with a link...and I was deleted?.

Posted by: storagemanager at September 21, 2007 9:14 AM

I just can't believe that any American institution would invite that evil little man as a guest.

Even if students are allowed to ask real questions, DinnerJacket won't answer them honestly. He's a snake and a liar. There won't be an "exchange of ideas". Socrates will speak, the audience will be in awe of his brilliance and mesmerized by his eerie, glowing countenance and that's that.

His supposed disbelief at outrage over his proposed visit to Ground Zero is a sham. He knows why it would bother people and that's why he wants to go. He wants to rub it in America's face.

I wonder how university students in Iran feel about this sucking up to their tyrannical president.

All of the intellectuals, the elite, who say they're on the side of freedom: this is who they welcome? While, back in Iran, citizens are oppressed and university students are harrassed and murdered.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3879535.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6196069.stm

Posted by: Josephine at September 21, 2007 9:14 AM

I need more coffee...please forget what i just posted.

Posted by: storagemanager at September 21, 2007 9:17 AM

"I expect he will find a peaceful but hostile reception at the site of the handiwork of his fellow mujahedin."

Fellow Mujahedeen ? Now, please explain to me how the 911 terrorists are friends with Ahmadinedjad. Don't you know that they are Sunnis and he is a Shi'a ? You purport throughout your website that these two sects hate each and hated each other since the beginning of Islam, so why are you lumping them together now. Is it just another lie to boil the hate of your commentators ? Or are you lumping - as any racist would do - Muslims in one homogeneous group.

If you are really any educated in Islam, please stop lying to your commentators. You very well know that the sunni extremists like al-qaeda hate the shia more than they hate the Americans. But you only say that when it serves your purpose. If the purpose and the day is different, you lump them all together. Academic fickleness is not serious. It is propaganda.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 9:29 AM

nice try, sublimer

Posted by: Minority of One at September 21, 2007 9:37 AM

instead of saying nice try, try to disprove what i just said.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 9:45 AM

Have you seen Cox & Forkum's brilliant cartoon about this?

http://www.coxandforkum.com/

Posted by: Josephine at September 21, 2007 9:47 AM

The cartoon reminds me of another time and another epoch. Look at Ahmadinedjad. Tiny, week beggar with a crooked nose. The American cop is a huge muscular Aryan. Does anyone see the similarities with Nazi cartoons? You people are on a slippery slope to a genocidal mentality that will soon condone the practice of concentration camps and mass annihilation (well some of you - considering the posts you write - are already there). But I hope you wake up from your slumber and prove to be more intelligent than the Germans who followed Hitler.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 9:55 AM

sublimer,

how about the fact that iran provides supplies to sunni jihadis in iraq?

how about the fact that bin laden's offsrping take refiuge in iran?

those are just 2 examples.

now, i fully expect you will deny those facts, as per the jihadi orthodoxy.

and this conversation is over. enjoy your day.

Posted by: Minority of One at September 21, 2007 9:56 AM

"Last night Jay Leno spoke in his monologue about ImANutJob wanting to go to ground zero and then proposed: 'why can't we take ground zero to him?' LOL."

Yes indeed. Not the Iranian people in general, but the prez himself, and his henchmen. And of course his nukes to be.

Posted by: alexon at September 21, 2007 9:59 AM

....there may be some differences between Al-Qaeda and the Shi-ites...

"But these differences were minor compared to the biggest things they have in common - their desire to hit at the US."

....they are brothers in arms....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at September 21, 2007 10:01 AM

funny, the cop in the c and f cartoon looks italian to me.

Posted by: Minority of One at September 21, 2007 10:02 AM

Greetings sublimer

I, nabi ZK, nabi to the mohametan trolls, wise, munificent, etc., etc., have thought long and hard about this very concept.

It seems that the al Q people have shia overtones in their program, even though they are suni, as you say. For example, their obsession with the black flags out of kurrasan. Consider also their veneration of Ali. He killed Jews and that is more important to them than the "split".

Did it occur to you that zarqawi may have been killed by al Q, outed by his own organization, because he wanted to stir the suni shia pot. zawahiri repeatedly asked him to quit it. Also al Q big turbans are known to be sheltered in iran, a predominantly shia country.

I would not make blanket generalizations about suni shia hatred or any other aspects of mohametanism.

nabi ZK

....and if what I said is true it is from me and if it is falsehood I claim no responsibility since that would, like, probably be someone else's fault. OK

...believe it or die

Posted by: zonie kafir at September 21, 2007 10:08 AM

sublimer,

I'm not sure what you think you are more sublime than. Perhaps you could enlighten us?

Personally, I think the Cox and Forkum rendition of the monkey man is bang on.

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at September 21, 2007 10:08 AM

exsgtbrown,

read al zarqawi's letter to ben laden. You have no idea what you're talking about.

....there may be some differences between Al-Qaeda and the Shi-ites...

Only some differences ? One day it's the Alpha and the Omega, and now it's just some ?

Minority of One,

"now, i fully expect you will deny those facts, as per the jihadi orthodoxy.

and this conversation is over. enjoy your day. "

Nice way to end the conversation. Run away if you will. When it comes to wars you are not personally fighting, you are all Mr. Warrior, but if its a conversation where you need to use some logic, you cut and run.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 10:09 AM

The perfect irony would be if the students at Columbia stormed the stage, took Dinnerjacket hostage, held him for 444 days, threatened his life every day with mock exectuions, etc...

Of course, Columbia students would only do that to the Minuteman leader, someone who is protecting America, not to Dinnerjacket, who wants to destroy America.

Posted by: kutabeach at September 21, 2007 10:12 AM

zonie kafir,

Whence are you writing from ? More importantly I should ask what time are you writing from ? Your language (use of mahometanism) indicates you desire to live in the middle ages. If you are going to use "Dungeons and Dragons" knowledge to analyze the situation in the Iraq, you will not fare well. I mean saying,
"Did it occur to you that zarqawi may have been killed by al Q, outed by his own organization, because he wanted to stir the suni shia pot." is tantamount to idiocy. You have just proved to me that you know nothing about the Al Qaeda playbook.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 10:15 AM

ImnoDhimmi,

"I'm not sure what you think you are more sublime than. Perhaps you could enlighten us?"

I can sure enlighten you since you seem to be remarkably deficient in the English language.

Sublimer is not a comparative. The comparative is "more sublime".

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 10:18 AM

sublimer

I, nabi ZK, whose many accolades have been mentioned here in the past, by me mostly but you get the idea, would like to point out that zarqawi's letter to the big turbans was that of a subordinate to his superiors. He wanted to push the suni shia thing in Iraq as a tactical move. His BOSSES told him to QUIT IT. Let's keep the record straight on that one.

You seem to suggest that because zar-cow-e did this it was al Q policy. No. Likely they killed him because he was out of line. A bit of a Co. Kurtz in his own way. Needed to be taken care of.

nabi ZK

...believe it or be killed in nasty ways

Posted by: zonie kafir at September 21, 2007 10:23 AM

Zonie kafir,

Wouldn't you give the American army some credit ? You do not believe that they killed him or do you believe that all what they say are lies ?

May your death be slow and painful.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 10:27 AM

sublimer

Do not contradict the nabi. mohametanism because they worship mohamet. I have nothing to prove one way or the other concerning zarcowe's fate. I only suggest that his strident anti shia actions may have made things uncomfortable for the guests in iran. The al Q policy does not therefore include killing all the shia, at least for the moment.

But I shall not call you names simply because you hold another opinion on this matter.

nabi ZK

...since you have chosen not to believe the words of the nabi you will probably suffer a grievous fate in the next world....

Posted by: zonie kafir at September 21, 2007 10:36 AM

That monkey man has raised such ire by his outrageous posturing bodes well for us.

At Columbia, his reception should be with thrown rotten tomatoes and eggs.

C'mon any of you near Columbia, start stocking up now. It's the worthiest of arrests and a service to your fellow citizens.

Posted by: dgene at September 21, 2007 10:38 AM

sublimer,

I thought YOU were the one who was remarkably deficient in the English language. You will note, I asked you who you thought you were more sublime than, so obviously I know sublimer is incorrect.

About many things, it appears.

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at September 21, 2007 10:39 AM

sublimer

Yes. The US military dropped a bomb on his ass. That is correct.

...your fate is sealed...in the next world you will probably have to wear some kind of derogatory signage around your neck indicating that you did not believe nabi ZK...

Posted by: zonie kafir at September 21, 2007 10:39 AM

"but if its a conversation where you need to use some logic, you cut and run.

Posted by: sublimer"

...I present the truth, you can choose either to accept it or deny it...but like most Muslims you seek to hide the truth...but your veneer is thin and you convince no one....

Ban Muslim Immigration...you do not want these people in your neighborhood...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at September 21, 2007 10:46 AM

Zonie Kafir,

I hope you would stick to one point. So who killed Al-Zarqawi ? was it his peers or the American army. If you contradict yourself in the span of a couple of sentences I wonder how you manage in your daily life.

ImNodhimmi,

If you know that sublimer is not a comparative, then why even ask the question ?

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 10:48 AM

I don’t care what terror sponsoring Columbia says, you are with us or against us. They are against us, they are a threat to our future, our neighborhoods, our cities and our very survival. I am through playing nice with these people just because they happen to be in America. I am not going to look the other way because they want to host hostage takers, death to America chanters. I believe that these people should be executed or more humanely, tossed out of our country. It is like anything else, American citizenship, abuse it and lose it. The university and its property should be confiscated just as they do with drug dealers. You have one of these university people in your neighborhood, you might as well have a serial killer living next to you. Close em down throw em out, before they get your loved ones murdered. Columbia=terror u. Colleges today are a lot like the dysfunctional families that serial killers are brought up in, they are almost identical to warped and deluded atmosphere that has in the past produced people like Manson, Bundy, Dahmer and on and on. Drive them out before they have a chance to contaminate our country even more than they already have. They are a disease, you wouldn’t ignore or support cancer would you?

Posted by: tgusa at September 21, 2007 10:50 AM

Hi Sublimer,
Detect the stink of hauteur and arrogance.
Only Hugh is allowed that here (lol).
More seriously, the footprints of islam are all over the actions of the monkey man, so that determines how he is to be treated.
That you believe his shia credentials change that is an indication of your conceit and, in my view, your blindness.
Yes, and you are willing your own destruction at the hands of the islamists who would destroy you, But then, maybe you would be an excellant dhimmi, cellwife, or slave, and that is what you aspire to.

Posted by: dgene at September 21, 2007 10:56 AM

"So who killed Al-Zarqawi ?"

Posted by: sublimer

....The Americans killed him...his Shi'ite militiamen furnished his location to the Americans...No Loyalty in Islam , I guess...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at September 21, 2007 10:58 AM

sublimer

Not sure why you are having difficulty with this concept. The US military tracked him down and killed him. But I suggest they got help from inside the organization. Someone, who didn't like what he was doing may have let slip some helpful info. Shifting loyalties and all. Seems plausible to me given the program he was on and the imperative to maintain good relations with the iranian hosts. But you may hold another opinion if you wish.

nabi ZK

... If you persist in being unable to grasp the blinding truth of nabi ZK then extra large bold letters will be used on your signage which will add to your disgraceful future condition in the world to come....

Posted by: zonie kafir at September 21, 2007 11:04 AM

....The Americans killed him...his Shi'ite militiamen furnished his location to the Americans...No Loyalty in Islam , I guess...

His Shi'ite militiamen ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Oh dear. exsgtbrown, you have posted many hateful comments here and now you are proving to me why you are so hateful. It is because you are completely ignorant. Ignorance breeds hate indeed. Just so that you don't make the faux pas again, Al Zarqawi is Sunni. I thought that was clear in the correspondence between ZK and me. But you probably don't read anything, not even the posts here. You just jump on your keyboard and ejaculate whatever hate you have to spew.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 11:07 AM

(and one more thing)

Irrelevant it is whether a jihadi is sunni shia or any other toxic variety, the best jihadi is a dead one.

You can take that one to the bank.

Posted by: dgene at September 21, 2007 11:07 AM

that sublimer fellow is a real blast from the past. the 9-10 drivel just keeps flowing. he/she/it better start playing catch-up if he/she/it wishes to partake in a worthwhile conversation. rather late to the game, you poor thing. the kafirs have already heard and rejected all of your talking points.

Posted by: Minority of One at September 21, 2007 11:08 AM

ZK,

When you die, you will have ZK branded on your forehead, but it will stand for Zero Knowledge.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 11:10 AM

"the kafirs have already heard and rejected all of your talking points.

Only idiots refuse to change their minds.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 11:12 AM

(and addended one more thing)

The best jihadi, sunni shia or otherwise, is a dead one.

Why?

Because they are programmed to kill us.

Understand ?

Now you can take it to the bank.

Posted by: dgene at September 21, 2007 11:13 AM

Is that a threat sublimer?

nabi ZK

Posted by: zonie kafir at September 21, 2007 11:14 AM

I am still waiting for Robert Spencer to answer my point.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 11:15 AM

Al Zarqawi is Sunni
Posted by: sublimer

...the Shi-ites still provided his location, just as I stated....it appears they were angry with him as he was killing too many Shi-ites....you might have to go ask them how they knew where he was located....

...in any case, everyone was happy to see him killed...

Ban Muslim Immigration

Posted by: exsgtbrown at September 21, 2007 11:16 AM

I'm sure there a few former/retired Marines who would like to "welcome" Ahmadinejad to NYC or wherever.

Will Columbia be playing John Lennon's Give Peace a Chance in the background as he strolls onto the stage? These students and their faculty, talk about giving a "liberal" education a bad name.

Or even better, Jimmy Carter can welcome him 'cause his idiotic presidency is what brought him and the mullahs to power. Carter should get a real big hug.

Posted by: HOV Dummy at September 21, 2007 11:18 AM

ZK,

It is not a threat, it is how I imagine you in the next world.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 11:19 AM

Al Zarqawi is Sunni
Posted by: sublimer

Was sunni. Was.

nabi ZK

...believe it this time or else...

Posted by: zonie kafir at September 21, 2007 11:19 AM

OK Good. Let's keep it light. OK?

nabi ZK

Posted by: zonie kafir at September 21, 2007 11:21 AM

Al Zaqawi was a terrorist murderous blood thirsty killer. He was neither Sunni nor Shia, nor any other religion I know of. And if a hell exists, may he rot in it.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 11:24 AM

It's always light. You played a tune. I followed. Don't get too paranoid.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 11:25 AM

Al Zaqawi was a terrorist murderous blood thirsty killer.

Finally we agree on something.

nabi ZK

Posted by: zonie kafir at September 21, 2007 11:29 AM

As a famous nabi it's important me to know that my words are believed OR ELSE! NO EXCEPTIONS! Get it!

Nuff said.

nabi ZK

Posted by: zonie kafir at September 21, 2007 11:32 AM

Anybody who kills indiscriminately with no regard for innocent beings is a terrorist. But that definition can be extended to beyond the terrorist stereotype. Indeed a suicide bomber who is ready to kill civilians, children and women is a terrorist but so is an F-16 pilot who is ready to bomb a residential area in the hopes of killing one suspect and so are his superiors who command him to do so.

If it was for me, I would have hoped that the U.S. Iraq conflict could have been settled by a duel between Bush and Saddam.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 11:34 AM

And no use of firearms during the duel. Just fists or plastic knives.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 11:37 AM

But if you remember well, the Iraqis did propose that :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2297371.stm

but Bush refused.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 11:39 AM

The United Nations has many times been a 'glass Trojan Horse' for bringing a pistol-wearing Arafat or Thug in Chief of Iran to our shores.

It is not only the millions it costs us to protect these spirochetes - but the 'head of state dignity' it automatically confers on them "speaking at Columbia', protected motorcades, hand-shakings, journalistic fawning, 'addressing the General Assembly' etc.

The simplest kind of warfare at all is to humiliate, laugh at belittle and fiercely revile the rantings of this maniac. A child could figure this out on the playground.

This man is DIRECTLY killing and maiming AMERICAN TROOPS in ANOTHER COUNTRY.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at September 21, 2007 11:43 AM

Sublimer, listen girl,

you are still full of it.

you suggest that Al Zarqawi was of no religion.

and by implication that islam is good.

islam is an evil ideology.

and the stink of equivalence wafts off you as you presume to live among the gods who know of these things.

good luck with the Dems and the CNN and NYTimes stupids.

Posted by: dgene at September 21, 2007 11:43 AM

...so is an F-16 pilot who is ready to bomb a residential area in the hopes of killing one suspect and so are his superiors who command him to do so...

It is possible that what you say is correct, but as a blanket statement it is false. Intentions matter. The intended target matters. Not to say that the results might not be tragic. Depending on the target such an action might yet be just.

Consider that there were civilians in the area where the z man was taken down. Others were also killed that day. One of his wives died in the attack if I recall correctly. Yet killing him has saved many other innocent lives. Good or bad? You tell me.

nabi ZK

... freelance prognostications since 2006...

Posted by: zonie kafir at September 21, 2007 11:43 AM

sublimer

Ahmadinedjad has called for my death as an American. He called for an Islamic war of aggression against my people. Even though he does not get along with the Sunnis that still does not make him good. You know full well why he wants to visit ground zero!

He wants to rub it in and to spit on our dead and to dance on our pain. As for hate explain to me why he supports hanging teenage girls from the end of cranes for being "immoral"? Why he supports various Islamic jihadis who kill for the spread of Islam? Why he supports Islamic Supremacist? Why he supports the Islamic law code which as we all know is sexist and bigoted?

So as I understand you support a sexist, murdering, Islamic supremacist to visit ground zero?

What does that make you?

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at September 21, 2007 11:46 AM

Zarqawi belonged to the Salafi movement in Sunni Islam.

Posted by: exsgtbrown at September 21, 2007 11:51 AM

I don't know... I would really enjoy watching MadmanJihad getting pelted with rotten tomates.

Oh yeah, that's right. We are too politically correct to do such an ugly Amerian thing.

Would have been great TV watching, though!

Posted by: Kay at September 21, 2007 11:52 AM

"So as I understand you support a sexist, murdering, Islamic supremacist to visit ground zero?

What does that make you?

Posted by: greatcometof1577 "

.....hmmmmm...loser?....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at September 21, 2007 11:53 AM

greatcometof1577,

Please provide me with evidence that Ahmadinedjad has called for an islamic war against the United States. Google it ! He hangs teenage girls for being immoral because he is an idiot, just as George Bush used to execute mentally retarded people in Texas because he is also an idiot.

Who said that I supported Ahmadinedjad ? Please provide proof again. See, my intellectual framework is not as narrow as to only see black and white. If I criticize x, that does not mean I support Y. Only idiots think that way.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 11:55 AM

ZK,

I give you another scenario. An Iraqi suicide bomber has orders to kill an American soldier. He knows that if he detonates the bomb he will also kill many innocent civilians. But then he thinks to himself, maybe if I kill him I will be saving many of my brethren. So is it good or bad. It is the same logic but from the other point of the spectrum.

Plus, I do not even believe in this logic. When you kill civilians collaterally, you just increase the hatred of the local population and fill up the ranks of those that are fighting you. What would a child who lost a mother and a father in a bomb do when he grows up?

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 12:03 PM

Iran's leaders, who back Hezbollah, have also declared their absolute hostility to America. Last October, Iran's President declared in a speech that some people ask -- in his words -- "whether a world without the United States and Zionism can be achieved… I say that this… goal is achievable." Less than three months ago, Iran's President declared to America and other Western powers: "open your eyes and see the fate of pharaoh… if you do not abandon the path of falsehood… your doomed destiny will be annihilation." Less than two months ago, he warned: "The anger of Muslims may reach an explosion point soon. If such a day comes… [America and the West] should know that the waves of the blast will not remain within the boundaries of our region." He also delivered this message to the American people: "If you would like to have good relations with the Iranian nation in the future… bow down before the greatness of the Iranian nation and surrender. If you don't accept [to do this], the Iranian nation will… force you to surrender and bow down."

America will not bow down to tyrants.

***************

http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=8540

I'd say a 'call to surrender' is one way of declaring jihad...

Posted by: Kay at September 21, 2007 12:04 PM

Kay, please fill out the ellipses. This not an episode of the Daily Show for you to be doing montages or collages.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 12:10 PM

Tehran, Iran, Apr. 12 – Iran’s radical President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in a fiery sermon demanded that “Iran’s enemies”, or the West, bow down before Iran and apologize for having held back Tehran’s nuclear program for three years. He also warned the West that it would “burn” in the “fire of the nations’ fury”.

From here:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/010997.php

Posted by: Kay at September 21, 2007 12:10 PM

Or are you lumping - as any racist would do - Muslims in one homogeneous group.

Hmmm, let's see....belief in allah, belief that mo is prophet, hates Jews and Christians, thinks women should be kept hidden in a house or in a Glad Bag® , want to rule the world under islam....YEP

Posted by: interestinconundrum at September 21, 2007 12:11 PM

Doesn't anybody here have enough neurons what the ellipses omit? Do you accept any candy that is given to you in the street? Don't you know what disinformation through omission is ?

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 12:14 PM

interestinconundrum,

Glad you admit it and you seem proud of it too.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 12:16 PM

sublimer

I agree that soldiers in any army can make such calculations. It is the nature of war. What is important is that the target is legit and that the collateral damage is considered in relation to the importance of the target. Not saying this makes everything peaches and cream. But it's better than deliberately targeting the innocent just to grab headlines.

It would be impossible to fight any war without harming innocent people. War is bad. But war happens sometimes.

nabi ZK

...and if falsehood is found in any of my words it is somebody else's fault...

Posted by: zonie kafir at September 21, 2007 12:17 PM

What would you do if you were President of the U.S. and China imposed sanctions on your country until the U.S. dismantled all its nuclear weapons, knowing very well that other countries can keep theirs if they wish.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 12:18 PM

Posted 3/8/2006 6:48 AM Updated 3/8/2006 10:02 PM

Iran threatens U.S. with 'harm and pain'
VIENNA (AP) — Iran threatened the United States with "harm and pain" Wednesday if the U.S. tries to use the U.N. Security Council — which has the power to impose sanctions — as a lever to punish Tehran for its suspect nuclear program.

....one of many such instances...more to follow...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at September 21, 2007 12:25 PM

ZK,

I am glad that you know that war is bad. It is a simple and self-evident fact but which is oft forgotten. So if we take that war is bad, and that we, as humans, should avoid what is bad, shouldn't we strive for that purpose. Creating collateral damage, instigating civil wars and fueling hate is not the right way to solve the problem then. Just imagine what you would do if you saw your son fighting another kid in school. would you encourage them to make peace by talking (dialogue and diplomacy) or would you go and start beating the other kid too. If you do that, the kid's father might come to your door and beat you up and brand a ZK in your forehead. That's how wars are perpetuated. Nothing can be solved through violence.

If you do not want a ZK branded on your forehead I suggest you talk to your kid and tell him to stop his mischief.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 12:26 PM

harm and pain can be economic. What do you think sanctions do. Don't they create harm on pain to the population. ust ask the 1 million iraqis who died under the Clinton administration because medicine could no longer be imported to their country.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 12:29 PM

I see, so any information that doesn't agree with your agenda is disinformation?

Hmm... how convenient.

I am not sure about Hugh, but I do believe that Robert knows Arabic, so he can attest to what Ahmadman said in that speech. It is recorded in video format at MEMRI.org.

Perhaps you know Arabic? Perhaps you can translate it for us if Robert is such a hate-monger?

Posted by: Kay at September 21, 2007 12:29 PM

Previewing your Comment
"The cartoon reminds me of another time and another epoch. Look at Ahmadinedjad. Tiny, week beggar with a crooked nose. The American cop is a huge muscular Aryan. Does anyone see the similarities with Nazi cartoons?" posted by sublimer

@sublimer,

On the surface, yes I do see a resemblance. I admit it unsettled me. But do you see what is not on the surface?

Ahmadinejad would have been better portrayed in a truer charicature, making it clear to anyone who he is, in the cartoon.

I didn't make the leap to the "Aryan" cop. And to me, he looks beefy, but not particularly muscular.

So much for the surface. Now dig a little deeper. The huge cop represents law and order in America, the strength of the will of the American people, and New Yorkers, in particular. His figure is meant to be reassuring to the American reader/viewer.

Ahmadinejad's smallness has to do with the fact that he is not a citizen of this country, and he is in no position to disobey the law, or to make demands. Or perhaps that he can demand all he likes, but to no avail. Again, this would be more effective, I believe, if his portrayal was more true to life, and less "stock" Middle Eastern.

This is all my opinion, the pattern I see in my tea leaves today. It's a sucessful cartoon, because I did laugh. It's a potentially dangerous cartoon, in that it might foster a false sense of security. It's not something to demonstrate against, nor kill the artist for. ;-)

"The simplest kind of warfare at all is to humiliate, laugh at belittle and fiercely revile the rantings of this maniac." posted by poetcomic1

Posted by: Abscedere at September 21, 2007 12:30 PM

sublimer

Sure. Just because we got 'em iran has the right too. That's sounds fair. We wouldn't let anybody take away our nukes so it's only fair that everyone can have them.

But sublimer, that way lies nuclear war. Also, I do believe that if iran is foolish enough to develop such weapons it will mean the end of iran as a nation and a people. If they go that way they will be ruined utterly.

http://damncoolpics.blogspot.com/2007/04/nuclear-explosions.html

These toys are no joke people. They should not proliferate. Trust me on this one. We do not need one additional state with nukular weapons on this planet. Not one more.

nabi ZK

...let those who doubt this come up with some kind of refutation even...

Posted by: zonie kafir at September 21, 2007 12:32 PM

Nothing can be solved through violence. (cliche)

I believe WWII was solved with violence. Correct me if I am wrong here, but the atrocious behavior of Germany and Japan was ended through the use of violence. And just between you, me and the fencepost, that was the only way to stop them.

nabi ZK

...come on, you gotta believe at least that or dire things will be written on your future signage...

Posted by: zonie kafir at September 21, 2007 12:37 PM

Kay,

the ellipses come from MEMRI !!!!! They cut the video as they see fit. Here are some links to show you how this institution run by an ex-general in the Israeli army edits videos to serve their idiosyncratic agenda :

http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/journalist/story/0,7792,773258,00.html

Do you remember how MEMRI became famous ? Do you remember wafa sultan ? Well read this article :

http://www.aqoul.com/archives/2006/03/aljazeera_trans.php

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 12:37 PM

harm and pain can be economic. What do you think sanctions do. Don't they create harm on pain to the population. ust ask the 1 million iraqis who died under the Clinton administration because medicine could no longer be imported to their country.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 12:29 PM

Well since we have no economical ties to Iran, I doubt thats what they mean.

Posted by: Elric66 at September 21, 2007 12:38 PM

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1241.htm

That is a different clip, but he is still demanding America 'bow down and surrender to it's (Iran's) might and right.'

But, perhaps this is a mistranslation?

And here is a transcript of another speech, the prelude is interesting:

Following are excerpts from an address by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, which aired on Channel 1, Iranian TV, on February 11, 2007.

Speaker: Before the speech of Mr. Ahmadinejad, President of the Islamic Republic, I would like to call out several slogans, and you will answer me out loud.

Today, throughout Islamic Iran, from south to north and from east to west, there is one cry only: Death to America.

Crowd: Death to America

Death to America

[…]

Speaker: The hatred and rage of the Muslim people…

Crowd: The hatred and rage of the Muslim people…

Speaker: is directed towards America, the infidel Satanic regime...

Crowd: is directed towards America, the infidel Satanic regime...

Speaker: is directed towards America, the infidel Satanic regime...

Crowd: is directed towards America, the infidel Satanic regime...

Speaker: America is a [defeated] regime with broken horns…

Crowd: America is a [defeated] regime with broken horns…

Speaker: America is a [defeated] regime with broken horns…

Crowd: America is a [defeated] regime with broken horns…

Speaker: It waits [for Iran] to establish relations with it…

Crowd: It waits [for Iran] to establish relations with it…

Speaker: No way will we have relations with America…

Crowd: No way will we have relations with America…

Speaker: No way will we have relations with America…

Crowd: No way will we have relations with America…

Speaker: Our struggle with America is eternal…

Crowd: Our struggle with America is eternal…

Speaker: The cry of all people on Earth...

Crowd: The cry of all people on Earth...

Speaker: The cry of all people on Earth...

Crowd: The cry of all people on Earth...

Speaker: The cry of all people on Earth is:

Crowd: The cry of all people on Earth is:

Speaker: Death to the filthy and accursed America

Crowd: Death to the filthy and accursed America

[...]

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1385.htm

Posted by: Kay at September 21, 2007 12:39 PM

the paragraph below is located in the news report I hav attached:

Ahmadinejad also threatened any country that supports Israel, including the U.S. and its allies, saying: "It is in your own interest to distance yourself from these criminals ... This is an ultimatum. Don't complain tomorrow."

Iranian president blasts UN, Israel at huge rally
Last Updated: Friday, October 20, 2006 | 10:04 AM ET
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Iran's hardline president told thousands of people at a rally in Tehran on Friday that the United Nations Security Council and its decisions are "illegitimate" and Israel has "lost its reason for existence."

"What sort of security council is this? The whole world knows that the U.S. and Britain are enemies of the Iranian nation," Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said in a Tehran square at the pro-Palestinian rally.

Iran is facing possible sanctions from the UN Security Council for its refusal to stop enriching uranium as part of its nuclear program. The U.S. and Britain, along with France, Russia and China, are permanent members of the security council, which means they have the power to veto its measures.

"You want to be the judge, the complainant and the enforcer. But the time for such logic has passed. No one accepts this from you," Ahmadinejad said, referring to the U.S. and Britain.

A draft UN resolution on Iran is expected to be introduced in the security council early next week.

In his fiery remarks, Ahmadinejad also attacked Israel, saying the country has "lost its reason for existence," it will soon disappear and its leaders are a "group of terrorists."

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The president is known for his harsh comments against Israel.

"This regime, thanks to God, has lost the reason for its existence," he said. "Efforts to stabilize this fake regime, by the grace of God, have completely failed ... You should believe that this regime is disappearing."

Demonstrators at the rally also marched in the streets of Tehran, chanting slogans and carrying posters of Iran's leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. The rally was held in support of the Palestinian and Lebanese people.

'This is an ultimatum'

Ahmadinejad also threatened any country that supports Israel, including the U.S. and its allies, saying: "It is in your own interest to distance yourself from these criminals ... This is an ultimatum. Don't complain tomorrow."

He added: "Nations will take revenge."

On Thursday, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert told reporters that Iran would have "a price to pay" if it refuses to suspend its enrichment of uranium. He made the comment on the way back from a three-day trip to Russia, where he met with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Moscow.

"They have to understand that if they object to every compromise, there will be a price to pay," Olmert said.

Israel has made it clear that it rejects the notion that Iran's nuclear program is peaceful and that it is designed simply to produce energy. But Israel has said it prefers to work with other countries against the program instead of leading a campaign against it.

Russia, for its part, is building Iran's first nuclear reactor and has urged the security council not to impose sanctions against Iran. It has also agreed to continue shipping fuel to Iran for its reactor.

Olmert said after his meeting with Putin that he is convinced that Russia does not want to see a nuclear Iran and the Russian leader is aware of how serious the situation has become.

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Posted by: exsgtbrown at September 21, 2007 12:40 PM

ABCEDERE,

I agree with you but the unfortunate thing is that the cartoon did not depict ahamdinedjad as you have done and it resorted to a vulgar smplicity with disturbing anti-semitic undertones. That was my point.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 12:41 PM

sublimer

Let’s take these one at a time…(you say in quotes)

(1) “Please provide me with evidence that Ahmadinedjad has called for an Islamic war against the United States. Google it !”

Here is one…of many…

"Thanks to the blood of the martyrs, a new Islamic revolution has arisen and the Islamic revolution of 1384 [the current Iranian year] will, if God wills, cut off the roots of injustice in the world." He said, that "the wave of the Islamic revolution" would soon "reach the entire world."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article538795.ece

I suppose the USA is still located on planet earth? Correct?

Do you want more…I can supply them?

(2) “George Bush used to execute mentally retarded people in Texas because he is also an idiot.”

Listen I am no fan of GW however it was Bill Clinton who whacking the mentally challenged in Arkansas as governor. Any way the death penalty is ok for killers but for teenage girls getting strung up for being raped or for carrying on some affair with their boyfriend is not something George or Bill has ever done. Really you can’t even compare the two. It is classic example of how silly apologists like you try to divert the argument by saying “see George executed people too!” You do realize who those people were? You know a girl who murders somebody is not the same as a girl kissing me on the cheek. You do understand the difference right?

(3) “Who said that I supported Ahmadinedjad ?”

You did not say you were against him? You instead attacked Mr. Spencer first and the people who posted on this board for attacking Ahmadinejad. In fact you even used the word racist when everybody knows Islam is not a race. If you are against him showing up then ok just say it.

(4) “See, my intellectual framework is not as narrow as to only see black and white.”

No all you see is grey. It really is that narrow. You have the ability to compare the execution of a murdering psycho to a teenage girl being executed for having a pre-martial affair. It is like comparing Jupiter to some ice rock in the Kuiper belt by saying they both orbit the sun therefore they are the same.

(5) “If I criticize x, that does not mean I support Y. Only idiots think that way.”

Only idiots ignore the sexist bigoted killer by attacking somebody for posting:

"I expect he will find a peaceful but hostile reception at the site of the handiwork of his fellow mujahedin."

This is a factual statement. Yes they don’t like each other but they both support an Islamic state for the world. That resulting Islamic state would have the same outcome for non-Muslims. Does it really matter if it is a Shia version or a Sunni version?

So yes as far as this Non-Muslim is concerned they are both mujahedin.

It appears you are more angry at Mr. Spencer for saying something that is true (they are both Mujahedin) then you are at the pending visit of Ahmadinejad.

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at September 21, 2007 12:41 PM

sublimer: I find you deeply ignorant on many issues but here's one above all I would point out. There's a huge difference between democracies, truly free countries, engaging in war and non-democratic tyrannies and autocracies doing the same. You seem to want to draw a level playing field, which indicates to me you suffer from a bad case of moral relativism. During WWII German planes bombed British cities and British women and children died. During that same war American and British planes bombed German cities and German women and children died. BUT, the fault for ALL of this lay with Hitler and the Nazis. Sometimes, as Winston Churchill realized only too well and to his great chagrin, free countries have to engage in terrible deeds to preserve, protect and promote freedom precisely because the dysfunctional, dictatorial, brutal countries of the world would prevail but for democracies standing up to them. You're clueless here.

Posted by: Wellington at September 21, 2007 12:45 PM

"I won't insist," Ahmadinejad said…

Ten bucks says he makes a run for ground zero, cameras blazing.

Ahmedinejad is like an inner city youth with a can of spray paint; he just can’t help himself.

Posted by: pez at September 21, 2007 12:52 PM

ZK,

I hope you don't dismiss a statement just because it has become so cliche. I agree with you that nuclear weapons cannot proliferate but the U.S. needs to set the example by sticking to anti-nuclear treaties, reduce its arsenal and force other countries to do the same. Otherwise, anything it says will always be considered hypocritical. that's how the iranians see it.

as for WWII, violence was used then but there was no alternative recourse. Germany was an aggressive superpower and Hitler ready to take over the world. The only way to stop it was for countries to get together and stop it through violence because the Nazi only accepted that language. But when was Iraq a threat to the world ? And do you really believe Iran is a threat ? Do you sincerely believe Iran can harm the U.S. Only if they are suicidal maybe but they're not crazy. we are entering the same phase we did right before the war in Iraq. Although as unbelievable as it might seem, some people were scared shitless that they really believed that Iraq could hurt the States. They then support the war. But to do the whole thing again with Iran ? Common ! Do you know that most people in the world is starting to see the U.S. as the N# 1 most important threat in the world ?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1797771,00.html

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 12:52 PM

oh sublime one -

You never did explain how you came up with your name, which is not even a word.

And as for the Iraqis who died because of sanctions, what about all the children who will die or even worse, live with the results of untreated diseases because stupid muslims think inoculations against deadly diseases are a kafir plot to annihilate muslims?

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at September 21, 2007 12:55 PM

wellington,

reread my comments to ZK.

Greatcomment,

one link : http://archives.cnn.com/2000/LAW/08/09/texas.double.execution.03/

Kay : Blowback can have its effects :

http://www.mohammadmossadegh.com/

Let's hope his memory will not become another "remember the alamo" and that we can put the past behind us and close wounds through dialogue and diplomacy.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 12:58 PM

ImNoDhimmi,

which village in India are you talking about ?

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 1:00 PM

On Israel being wiped off the map... yet another lie :

http://www.mohammadmossadegh.com/news/caught-red-handed/

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 1:01 PM

pez

Then Ahmadinejad can play.."Escape from New York."

I wonder what the Las Vegas odds are he tries to make a run for it. God that would be funny.

Let's just be honest...why is he even in the USA? When will George start acting like George Washington and not like Boy George.

Just say no...you cannot enter paradise. No soup for you!

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at September 21, 2007 1:03 PM

Everyone in NY should carry a Tomato when Ineedajob comes to the UN. One never knows when a Tomato fest would be in order.

There should be a Festival at Columbia

What better insult than to be pelted with a Fruit Iran has problems growing.

The Secret Service personell forced on this detail would probably be understanding of any collorateral dammage.

Thinl of it as a large protest sign made on Mother Earth with all bio-degradeable Paint.

Sublimer-

Droping Bombs from any American Aircraft is a Command Decision. Not the whim of the Pilot. Release is never authorised without multiple confirmations of the Targets validity.

The filliment in your Light Bulb is broken. The light you shed is very dark.

We are all well aware of your willingness to convert. So why bother us with Future troubles of your own making.

Posted by: flowerknife_us at September 21, 2007 1:03 PM

"...dialogue and diplomacy.

Posted by: sublimer""

...never have worked before when dealing with Islam and Muslims....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at September 21, 2007 1:07 PM

Droping Bombs from any American Aircraft is a Command Decision. Not the whim of the Pilot. Release is never authorised without multiple confirmations of the Targets validity.

If that makes you sleep alright at night keep on believing it. Hope your dream are full of ponies and unicorns.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 1:11 PM

Sublimer, I went to the site you linked for the full transcript of the Wafa Sultan interview.

I read the entire thing.

There was no difference in the tone of the interview between the MEMRI clip and this transcript. The MEMRI clip is shorter, but there was no twisting of the message whatsoever.

They were basically the same ideas expressed.

I'm not sure why you would give me the link to compare. Maybe you thought I was too lazy to read it? Well, I wasn't. And the MEMRI is simply a shorter version of the same interview.

Nothing was misinterpreted, or mistranslated, and the spirit of the interview is the same.

Posted by: Kay at September 21, 2007 1:12 PM

Sublimer asks way back:

"Fellow Mujahedeen? Now, please explain to me how the 911 terrorists are friends with Ahmadinedjad. Don't you know that they are Sunnis and he is a Shi'a ? You purport throughout your website that these two sects hate each and hated each other since the beginning of Islam, so why are you lumping them together now. Is it just another lie to boil the hate of your commentators ? Or are you lumping - as any racist would do - Muslims in one homogeneous group."

Regarding your original question, by common understanding Mujahideen (مجاهدين; also transliterated as mujāhidīn, mujahedeen, mujahedin, mujahidin, mujaheddin, etc.) is a plural form of mujahid (مجاهد), which literally translates from Arabic as "struggler", someone who engages in jihad, or "struggle", but is often translated as "holy warrior". ...

Yes, holy warrior. The thug in chief has recently stated on his last trip to Afghanistan that "There is no truth on earth but monotheism and following tenets of Islam and there is no way for salvation of mankind but rule of Islam over mankind," He also said Islam belongs to all generations and Muslims should "get ready for global mission of Islam."

See all the other statements of his above evidencing his desire to destroy America.

He is just another jihadist, mujahideen, crazy-ass nut-job, whatever word you care to use. Is there some difference between these we should know about? Sunni or shiite mujahideen. Is there really a difference- please explain. Muslims who want to kill infidels in the name of Allah, for Islam to dominate, to commit holy war- sunni or shiite- did the Prophet use another name for holy warriors that we have overlooked- please, please inform. Perhaps Spencer has mislead us ( I don't think so, but I've got an open mind).

If calling sunni and/or shitte jihadist/mujahideen hateful, vile, despicable people is racist, then count me in too, I'll admit it.

And by the way, why aren't you trying to convince the mujahideen/jihadist of the virtues of peace, not violence. Why are you here preaching to us about be peaceful?

You appear to be looking for disagreement for disagreement sake. The description "troll" comes to mind.

Either state your case and defend it specifically, or go away.

Posted by: USorThem at September 21, 2007 1:13 PM

sublimer

Do you think Islamic Civilization is equal to Western Civilization?

Just wondering?

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at September 21, 2007 1:14 PM

I would hope that one day Bush will have the B**** to visit Iraq and pay his respects to all the dead caused by the war he started, and that the Iraqis will be smarter than the Americans in believing that it is a peace gesture and a symbol for putting death and destruction behind them.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 1:14 PM

UsorThem,

During colonization, both the French and the English were promoters of the "civilizational mission". Does that mean that were fellows. During the Reconquista, the Spnaish and the Portuguese were trying to convert infidels to Christianity. Does that make the Protuguese and the Spanish fellows ?

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 1:19 PM

Why do Muslims always revert to quoting 600 year old history whenever they are proven to be irrational?

Posted by: Kay at September 21, 2007 1:22 PM

Greatcomet,

Do you think that you are equal to your sister or brother ? each one is the same and different in many ways with defects and advantages.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 1:22 PM

sublimer

You agreed with my assertion that violence solved things in WWII and no alternative was available.

Then you said I should not dismiss your statement that 'violence never solves anything' just because it is cliche. I dismissed it because it was contradicted by the facts. The statement is false. Violence sometimes solves things.

nabi ZK

...plum out of admonitions this time but I'll think of some new ones soon....

Posted by: zonie kafir at September 21, 2007 1:24 PM

sublimer

"Do you think that you are equal to your sister or brother ? each one is the same and different in many ways with defects and advantages."

Tell me what are the advantages of Islamic Civilization over Western Civilization?

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at September 21, 2007 1:27 PM

Look, the point comes down to this: believe what you want, but stay on your side of the world! Let's compete; who has the greatest civilization? But don't migrate your facist beliefs to the west, don't spread your culture to the west! Europeans are out of the colonist business. The United States has never been in the colonist business. If Islamic culture/politics/lifestyle has so much to offer then prove it. But until then, don't force it on the rest of the world. If Muslims do, then we will fight back.

Posted by: Kay at September 21, 2007 1:27 PM

Kay,

Now go back to the MEMRI video and watch the translation. Also if you want to know what I am getting at read the comments at the aqoul site.

Why quote history ? Are you serious with that question ? what do you mean ? should we get rid history of our school curriculum ? Why do you think the Nazis used to burn history books ?

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 1:28 PM

substandard -

Which village in India??? Where did that come from? I was referring to the muslim idiots in Nigeria, as well as in Pakistan, see below:

"The global campaign to eradicate polio by 2005 is being threatened by the resurgence of the disease in the far north of Nigeria.

Despite this, an immunisation programme has been put on hold because of claims by Muslim clerics that the vaccine is being deliberately contaminated as part of a western plot.

In the predominantly Muslim region where anti-American sentiments often run high, the idea that the polio vaccine is part of a US plot to render women in the developing world infertile quickly took hold."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"Maulana Fazlullah, a religious leader in a village in the Swat district of Pakistan, is using an FM radio channel to advise people not to immunise their children against the polio vaccine. The radio show, known as Maulana radio, speaks against issues such the education of girls, entertainment including movies and television and polio vaccination."

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at September 21, 2007 1:34 PM

...don't force it on the rest of the world.

Ahh yes. But that would not quite be the mohametan way. They are required to force it on everyone. We should rub their noses in it swat them with the newspaper and kick them outside till the can show better manners.

nabi ZK

...a nabi you can trust....

Posted by: zonie kafir at September 21, 2007 1:34 PM

Greatcomet,

Do you think that you are equal to your sister or brother ? each one is the same and different in many ways with defects and advantages.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 1:22 PM

You dodged his question

Posted by: Elric66 at September 21, 2007 1:34 PM

"I would hope that one day Bush will have the B**** to visit Iraq "

Posted by: sublimer

...Bush has been to Iraq....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at September 21, 2007 1:34 PM

Sublimer:

"On Israel being wiped off the map... yet another lie:"

From the article that Sublime was so kind to provide:

"His supporters and some independent analysts have since argued Ahmadinejad's words were mistranslated from Farsi and should have been better translated as 'vanish from the pages of time' — implying Israel would vanish on its own rather be destroyed."

Sure. I'm sure that's exactly what he meant. No, the Iranian regime is not for the destruction of Israel. Thanks for straightening all of us out, Dhimmi-er, I mean, Sublimer.

Posted by: TUDOR at September 21, 2007 1:35 PM

sublimer sez, "Racist!" Honestly, what race is islam?
Islam is a whole, it may have divisions about which man to follow after the death of "the prophet", but at the end of the day moslems will stand together against the unbelieving world, and you know it.
The rest of us have heard the threats coming from your spokesmen, we have seen the blood running on our streets because we don't believe in "allah and the last day". We now have access to your texts in our bookstores and on the internet. The secret is out! We know your plans for the unbelieving world. The ummah talks about it openly in forums. Your co-religionists carry posters with "Behead Those Who Insult Islam".
The genie is out of the bottle!

Posted by: interestinconundrum at September 21, 2007 1:35 PM

Kay,

"The United States has never been in the colonist business. "

Maybe you do need a history lesson. It's in the colonial business right now. why do you think they built an embassy as big as the vatican in baghdad ?

ZK,

Well sometimes to reach your goal, you have to aim for the impossible.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 1:36 PM

substandard -

Which village in India??? Where did that come from? I was referring to the muslim idiots in Nigeria, as well as in Pakistan, see below:

"The global campaign to eradicate polio by 2005 is being threatened by the resurgence of the disease in the far north of Nigeria.

Despite this, an immunisation programme has been put on hold because of claims by Muslim clerics that the vaccine is being deliberately contaminated as part of a western plot.

In the predominantly Muslim region where anti-American sentiments often run high, the idea that the polio vaccine is part of a US plot to render women in the developing world infertile quickly took hold."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"Maulana Fazlullah, a religious leader in a village in the Swat district of Pakistan, is using an FM radio channel to advise people not to immunise their children against the polio vaccine. The radio show, known as Maulana radio, speaks against issues such the education of girls, entertainment including movies and television and polio vaccination."

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at September 21, 2007 1:41 PM

What I mean is that the world was different at that time. We have progressed to the point where there is instant communication, constant travel, global economics, and more serious weapons. Yes, of course, there were wars between the European countries throughout history. Men rode out on horses and fought one another with swords and arrows. But the did not drag their innocents along with them so they could arrange bad PR for their enemies.

We learn lessons from history, yes. But we apply them properly. Today's Sunni and Shi'ite differences are in no way applicable to 15th century Europe.

For one, they didn't blow up each other's churches, in fact they were sanctuaries.

Posted by: Kay at September 21, 2007 1:42 PM

sublimer sez, "Racist!" Honestly, what race is islam?
Islam is a whole, it may have divisions about which man to follow after the death of "the prophet", but at the end of the day moslems will stand together against the unbelieving world, and you know it.
The rest of us have heard the threats coming from your spokesmen, we have seen the blood running on our streets because we don't believe in "allah and the last day". We now have access to your texts in our bookstores and on the internet. The secret is out! We know your plans for the unbelieving world. The ummah talks about it openly in forums. Your co-religionists carry posters with "Behead Those Who Insult Islam".
The genie is out of the bottle!

Posted by: interestinconundrum at September 21, 2007 1:43 PM

sublimer sez, "Racist!" Honestly, what race is islam?
Islam is a whole, it may have divisions about which man to follow after the death of "the prophet", but at the end of the day moslems will stand together against the unbelieving world, and you know it.
The rest of us have heard the threats coming from your spokesmen, we have seen the blood running on our streets because we don't believe in "allah and the last day". We now have access to your texts in our bookstores and on the internet. The secret is out! We know your plans for the unbelieving world. The ummah talks about it openly in forums. Your co-religionists carry posters with "Behead Those Who Insult Islam".
The genie is out of the bottle!

Posted by: interestinconundrum at September 21, 2007 1:43 PM

So you are a dreamer? That's OK. I also wish for the magical gumdrops land where we can all just get along. Ain't here right now tho'

nabi ZK

...And nabi ZK (who often refers to himself in third person, sometimes even plural!!!)was heard to say: the magical gumdrops land which ain't here right now could be just around the corner. I say could be. But I'm not making any promises on that one for now...

Posted by: zonie kafir at September 21, 2007 1:44 PM

Greatcomet,

Do you think that you are equal to your sister or brother ? each one is the same and different in many ways with defects and advantages.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 1:22 PM

You dodged his question

Posted by: Elric66 at September 21, 2007 1:48 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCNLRSE_48Y

What are they chanting?
"We really love America!" ??

Posted by: interestinconundrum at September 21, 2007 1:48 PM

Well, as soon as we start benefiting financially, instead of pouring billions of dollars into Iraq, then we can have that conversation, eh?

Last I looked, oil was at an all time high, giving Dubai the cash to buy 20% of NASDAQ. Not so bad for colonialism, wouldn't you say?

Posted by: Kay at September 21, 2007 1:48 PM

nabi ZK -- I always enjoy your "freelance prognostications".

Posted by: Josephine at September 21, 2007 1:55 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCNLRSE_48Y

What are they chanting?
"We really love America!" ??

Posted by: interestinconundrum at September 21, 2007 1:56 PM

Colonialism? Islam is trying that now. Moving all over the world, Switzerland and Sweden for God's sake! Not your basic moslem nations.
History lessons? Too bad nobody seems to remember history.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at September 21, 2007 1:58 PM

sublimer: Read your comment to ZK and find it quite weak. Iraq under Saddam Hussein was a threat to America and much of the world because of his inordinate ambitions, a psychopathic personality, ties to and contacts with large numbers of nefarious characters, in possession of the fourth largest oil reserves in the world and sundry other reasons. Iran is a present threat to the world because it's led by religious zealots who seek nuclear weapons and who have an active contempt for free societies everywhere. If this isn't enough for you, then just add more to the "sublimer clueless list." Threats to democracies from tyrannies come in all kinds of shapes. Hitlerian Germany was a particularly potent one but it would indeed be foolish for free nations to see no threat from dictatorships and other types of disgusting regimes until they rise to the level of a Nazi Germany.

Posted by: Wellington at September 21, 2007 1:59 PM

"Droping Bombs from any American Aircraft is a Command Decision. Not the whim of the Pilot. Release is never authorised without multiple confirmations of the Targets validity."

Posted by: sublimer

....The Muslim terrorists know this....it is one of the reasons they try to shield themselves whenever possible with children.....Muslim terrorists know if they are caught in the open, they have seen their last day....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at September 21, 2007 2:03 PM

Kay,

"The United States has never been in the colonist business. "

Maybe you do need a history lesson. It's in the colonial business right now. why do you think they built an embassy as big as the vatican in baghdad ?

And don't get angry just because I asked to do some research on Wafa Sultan. i know that the truth hurts but sometimes you need to shatter the illusionary myths that you have been fed.

ZK,

Well sometimes to reach your goal, you have to aim for the impossible.

For others,

why do I use the term racist ?

racism has come to define any ideology that lumps a whole group together disregarding the different opinions, tastes that might exist in that same group. For example it racist to say that all the jews are bad. But Judaism is a religion not a race. Not all Jews are semites and some as white as ( I can imagine) the posters on this website. So in the same sense that one can be anti-semite(i.e. anti jew), one can be anti-muslim if he believes that all muslims are the same. And I believe that many of you here think that. a lot of the posters here also imagine the Muslims as being deceitful cunning hiding things and with a general agenda to rule the world as if they all meet insome general headquarters to discuss their plan. Well that is similar to the symptoms that affected anti-semites of the early 20th century and those who wrote the protocols of the elders of zion. some believe, as a poster indicated earlier, that Muslims are like robots programmed to conquer the world. You explain their dehumanization so you can legitimate their annihilation. that way you sleep tight at night.

As for those asking for the advantages of Islamic civilization, I would say that their is a better sense of family, of community. Not everything is about money. The peity that exists does not allow for the resurgence of human idols like those that exist in the west. You know, like Britney and paris Hilton. I should also add that people are not prisoners of their appearances and feel subjugated to fit a certain look promulgated by all the fashion magazines. One is freer to be himself without feeling that he needs to earn so much money or to look like Brad Pitt to be esteemed by the rest.

I should also add that if it wasn't for Islamic civilization who translated all the Greek philosophers to arabic, there would have been no renaissance in Europe and no western civilization as we know it today.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 2:03 PM

Yikes! Gremlins in the machine!

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at September 21, 2007 2:05 PM

Kay,

"The United States has never been in the colonist business. "

Maybe you do need a history lesson. It's in the colonial business right now. why do you think they built an embassy as big as the vatican in baghdad ?

And don't get angry just because I asked to do some research on Wafa Sultan. i know that the truth hurts but sometimes you need to shatter the illusionary myths that you have been fed.

ZK,

Well sometimes to reach your goal, you have to aim for the impossible.

For others,

why do I use the term racist ?

racism has come to define any ideology that lumps a whole group together disregarding the different opinions, tastes that might exist in that same group. For example it racist to say that all the jews are bad. But Judaism is a religion not a race. Not all Jews are semites and some as white as ( I can imagine) the posters on this website. So in the same sense that one can be anti-semite(i.e. anti jew), one can be anti-muslim if he believes that all muslims are the same. And I believe that many of you here think that. a lot of the posters here also imagine the Muslims as being deceitful cunning hiding things and with a general agenda to rule the world as if they all meet insome general headquarters to discuss their plan. Well that is similar to the symptoms that affected anti-semites of the early 20th century and those who wrote the protocols of the elders of zion. some believe, as a poster indicated earlier, that Muslims are like robots programmed to conquer the world. You explain their dehumanization so you can legitimate their annihilation. that way you sleep tight at night.

As for those asking for the advantages of Islamic civilization, I would say that their is a better sense of family, of community. Not everything is about money. The peity that exists does not allow for the resurgence of human idols like those that exist in the west. You know, like Britney and paris Hilton. I should also add that people are not prisoners of their appearances and feel subjugated to fit a certain look promulgated by all the fashion magazines. One is freer to be himself without feeling that he needs to earn so much money or to look like Brad Pitt to be esteemed by the rest.

I should also add that if it wasn't for Islamic civilization who translated all the Greek philosophers to arabic, there would have been no renaissance in Europe and no western civilization as we know it today.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 2:07 PM

"I should also add that if it wasn't for Islamic civilization who translated all the Greek philosophers to arabic, there would have been no renaissance in Europe and no western civilization as we know it today."

When will the Islamic world have its own Renaissance?

Posted by: Elric66 at September 21, 2007 2:13 PM

Yikes! Gremlins in the machine!
Posted by: ImNoDhimmi

Sure are. Page goes white.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at September 21, 2007 2:14 PM

Well that is similar to the symptoms that affected anti-semites of the early 20th century and those who wrote the protocols of the elders of zion....

Well sublimer, that's a pretty good analogy. Except that the protocols were written by others to vilify the Jews. The mohametan texts, on the other hand, were written by the mohametans themselves with no such agenda. A cursory reading will reveal the evil plans contained therein. So the mohametans reveal their plans openly in their own texts. It's there for all to read. Care to refute this point?

nabi ZK

...he who usually doesn't get too much into these controversies, but this morning, wow, sublimer has really gotten my goat and I'm a gunnna waste more time than usual...

Posted by: zonie kafir at September 21, 2007 2:17 PM

As for those asking for the advantages of Islamic civilization, I would say that their is a better sense of family, of community.

What of those who do not want to be part of your "community"?

Posted by: interestinconundrum at September 21, 2007 2:18 PM

Ok people,

I am going to work now. But before I go I give you a prescription to diminish the feverish hate you all suffer from:

- stop watching fox and listening to Rush Limbaugh.
- stop taking vicodins and prozacs
- stop overdosing on viagra
- read books written by knowledgeable people
- Learn to discern disinformation through omission (a Robert Spencer specialty)
- read a little bit more about other cultures
- Don't let your paranoia make you feel like you are minorities in the world. Last I've seen, the huge majority of people in congress and the senate as well as in the parliaments over in europe are old white men.

Good luck,
sublimer

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 2:19 PM

If I criticize x, that does not mean I support Y. Only idiots think that way.

Sublimer:

How can you say that when your own words contradict it?

Criticizing Shia doesn't mean the Sunnis support America. They only hate us less.

You said:

Now, please explain to me how the 911 terrorists are friends with Ahmadinedjad. Don't you know that they are Sunnis and he is a Shi'a?
...
You very well know that the sunni extremists like al-qaeda hate the shia more than they hate the Americans.

We heard that after the hostages were taken in 1979. Those are Shia Musims. They're the radical breakaways. The Arabs are Sunni and they love America. They don't support Khomeini, yadda, yadda, yadda. Then came Al Qaeda.

Have you never heard how politics makes strange bedfellows? People who are natural enemies can join forces and cooperate if they share a common danger. Exhibit A is the US-British-Soviet alliance during WWII. Both the Shia and the Sunnis consider America to be the Great Satan.

Sunni may hate Shia but both are Muslims. Are you saying the al Qaeda would be friends with an American and not with an Iranian zealot? Pardon me if I remain skeptical.

If al qaeda hates the Shia more than they hate the Americans then why wasn't 9/11 directed at the regime in Tehran? Why does al Qaeda focus its energy on removing regimes in the Middle East that are Sunni?

Are you saying that neither Sunni nor Shia would welcome the other in the worldwide umma? Don't both read from the same book every Friday? Don't both pray toward Mecca?

Just wondering.

Posted by: PMK at September 21, 2007 2:25 PM

ZK,

one last refutation and then I am done. Your analogy is inccorect. You cannot compare the Protocols to the Quran. You can compare the Protocols to Jihadwatch. They both say that a select sly and cunning group is organizing to take over the world. You can maybe compare the Quran to the Talmud, in the sense that you try to use select passages from the Quran the same way the anti-semites used select passages from the talmud to try to prove how evil all the Jews are.

Good luck,
sublimer

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 2:29 PM

OK! Britney had a bad night at the MTV awards. OK. She has some issues. But HOW can you attack Paris, the very model of integrity?

nabi ZK

...forget the virgins, trust me...

Posted by: zonie kafir at September 21, 2007 2:31 PM

I guess I have to include one last refutation.

PMK,

AlQaeda do not consider the Shia's to be Muslims. If you don't believe me ask Robert Spencer.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 2:31 PM

Well, sublimer, as soon as the American economy starts benefiting financially, as colonists always intend, instead of pouring billions of dollars into Iraq, we can have that conversation, eh?

Last I looked, oil was at an all time high, giving Dubai the cash to buy 20% of NASDAQ. Not exactly suffering, are they?

Posted by: Kay at September 21, 2007 2:35 PM

Sublimer,
Okay, but don't both of them still believe in the Quran? They're both following the same script.
Maybe the Sunni think the Shia aren't Muslims but don't both follow the same basic theology?

Does that mean the Shia don't believe in the word of Muhammad?

Posted by: PMK at September 21, 2007 2:36 PM

OK! Britney had a bad night at the MTV awards. OK. She has some issues. But HOW can you attack Paris, the very model of integrity?

nabi ZK

...forget the virgins, trust me...

"I'll exchange her for six virgins and two camels. Deal ?

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 2:37 PM

Kay,

What does Dubai have to do with Iraq ? You're falling in the same trap over and over and over again. You're lumping countries and one billion people in one same block. Iraq is suffering under occupation but Dubai is one of the wealthiest countries in the world trying to profit from open market capitalism. One thing is to buy shares, the other is to steal it through weapons.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 2:40 PM

Sorry sublimer. It's not selected passages. It is the main thrust. I can accept the presence of mohametans along with their smug feelings of superiority. Many groups of people feel themselves better than the others and the mohametans are not unique in that regard. I don't care what name they give to their god or what direction they choose to pray in.

When they attack us or our friends I take notice. For now we will let the mohametans police their own ranks. I have no doubt that the stakes in the "game" are well understood. If they fail in this please do not ask me to take pity on them for the will not deserve any at that point.

nabi ZK

...and if they fail to address these things in good time then have no mercy on them and show absolutely no pity, for they have will have well earned their fate...

Posted by: zonie kafir at September 21, 2007 2:44 PM

Of course the Shi'a follow the word of Muhammad but that does not mean that Al Qaeda think they are muslims. Al Qaeda is a fascist group. It believes that anyone that does not subscribe to its rigorous and extremist version of islam is not a muslim. That means that for them the Shia are not muslim and that most of the sunnis are not muslim either. That's how they legitimize killing other sunnis. If they had their way with their vision of Islam, there would be only a couple of thousand adepts. Unfortunately, Robert Spencer is in that group too because he also believes in their vision of Islam.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 2:45 PM

And in regards to this comment:

And don't get angry just because I asked to do some research on Wafa Sultan. i know that the truth hurts but sometimes you need to shatter the illusionary myths that you have been fed.

***

sublimer, I went to the website you suggested, I read the full interview, again, as you suggested. Comparing the MEMRI's version and the Al-Jazeera version simply proved that there was no conspiratorial misrepresentation of Wafta Sultan's interview done by MEMRI.

No, I didn't give any credeance to the website's "comments" or, what I understand is simply an editorial at the extremist website.

I don't need them to 'interpret' the interview for me, I can think for myself, thank you very much. You are wrong, there were no misrepresentations of the interview.

As far as your comment on applying historical lessons are concerned, you must apply these lessons properly, in context. There is no way you can compare today's Shi'ite and Sunni fights with the fighting between Portugal and Spain, or any other European war in the 15th century. First of all, there were no sacking of churches, as was done in Samarra. Churches were sanctuaries. These groups did not bring innocents into the fray. They fought in fields with their swords and arrows, and did not burrow into their villages waiting in the midst of civilians in spread bad PR against their enemies.

And secondly, this is a different world, it has global economies, instant communication and quick travel across the world. This has made the world much smaller. Weapons are much more devastating.

Yes, we should apply historical lessons, but do so properly.

Posted by: Kay at September 21, 2007 2:48 PM

The thing they have in common is they sell oil, you see.

To the west, you see.

And they are the ones who receive the benefit, you see.

In the form of cash. The exact reason why the Europeans used to colonize - to get cash.

Posted by: Kay at September 21, 2007 2:51 PM

Kay,

you did hear what Alan Greenspan said : "Iraq War started because of oil". Now what do you call that. that is colonialism. I am sorry to say but you need to be man enough to face and admit the evident. You no longer live in the old U.S which you have created in your mind. Wake up to reality and stop excusing the obvious by trying to deflect the responsibility on the idea that it's all the "Muslim's fault". That's what the Nazis did when they did not want to admit their own hostility in WWI. They tried blaming everything on the Jew.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 2:51 PM

The thing they have in common is they sell oil, you see.

To the west, you see.

And they are the ones who receive the benefit, you see.

In the form of cash. The exact reason why the Europeans used to colonize - to get cash.

Kay,

Don't you get that selling is different than stealing ? I'll explain it in a simpler way :
dubai sells oil. gets money. Colonialists go in other people's country. steal oil and don't pay for it.

how can you compare the two ? what kind of business do you do. robbing banks ?

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 2:56 PM

Yes, Alan Greenspan said a great many things, most of which I do not believe.

The entire book is an "it's not my fault!" after the disaster he made of the U.S. economy.

Rather like Tenet's book, another "it's not my fault!" after the disaster he made of the U.S. CIA.

Posted by: Kay at September 21, 2007 2:58 PM

Kay,

I am not suprised you cannot comprehend what MEMRI ommitted in their video considering you think commerce and thievery is one and the same. You don't just need a history lesson, you need basic 1+1 education.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 2:58 PM

kay, keep shutting your eyes to the evident. I just hope you have the guts that one day you will decide to wake up from your slumber. Ok, everybody nice talking to you all. I really need to go and do some work. Ciao.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 3:00 PM

Don't you get that selling is different than stealing ? I'll explain it in a simpler way :
dubai sells oil. gets money. Colonialists go in other people's country. steal oil and don't pay for it.

If I heard right, oil is now $82 a barrel. That is not stealing oil.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at September 21, 2007 3:00 PM

I thought you had to work Sublime?

Posted by: Elric66 at September 21, 2007 3:00 PM

Honestly, I don't remember the Jews saying things like this in Nazi Germany:

****

Today, throughout Islamic Iran, from south to north and from east to west, there is one cry only: Death to America.

Crowd: Death to America

Death to America

[…]

Speaker: The hatred and rage of the Muslim people…

Crowd: The hatred and rage of the Muslim people…

Speaker: is directed towards America, the infidel Satanic regime...

Crowd: is directed towards America, the infidel Satanic regime...

Speaker: is directed towards America, the infidel Satanic regime...

Crowd: is directed towards America, the infidel Satanic regime...

Speaker: America is a [defeated] regime with broken horns…

Crowd: America is a [defeated] regime with broken horns…

Speaker: America is a [defeated] regime with broken horns…

Crowd: America is a [defeated] regime with broken horns…

Speaker: It waits [for Iran] to establish relations with it…

Crowd: It waits [for Iran] to establish relations with it…

Speaker: No way will we have relations with America…

Crowd: No way will we have relations with America…

Speaker: No way will we have relations with America…

Crowd: No way will we have relations with America…

Speaker: Our struggle with America is eternal…

Crowd: Our struggle with America is eternal…

Speaker: The cry of all people on Earth...

Crowd: The cry of all people on Earth...

Speaker: The cry of all people on Earth...

Crowd: The cry of all people on Earth...

Speaker: The cry of all people on Earth is:

Crowd: The cry of all people on Earth is:

Speaker: Death to the filthy and accursed America

Crowd: Death to the filthy and accursed America

[...]

************

But then again, I do trust that terrible Jooo media, like Spencer's Jihad Watch (you do know that the Jihads discovered his hidden Jewish roots, don't you?) and MEMRI, LGF and Michelle Malkin (more closet Jews, of course!)

Posted by: Kay at September 21, 2007 3:02 PM

They tried blaming everything on the Jew.

Yeah. But the "Jew" didn't fly airplanes into German buildings. In other words, sublimer, the "Jew" was harmless to Germany.

We, meaning everybody, on the other hand, are definitely under attack and we must respond accordingly.

nabi ZK

...and if they fly airplanes into our buildings then smite them and rebuke them and cause them to gnash their teeth and wail and moan about islamophobia (so called)...

Posted by: zonie kafir at September 21, 2007 3:03 PM

interestinconundrum,

check out the difference between crude and refined oil and you'll realize who is stealing your money. It's not the governments you hate so much. It is American, British and French oil companies. Go and check their profits too. Besides Q8 which only operates in Europe, have you ever heard of any arab oil company ?

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 3:04 PM

So you don't believe in free enterprise either???

nabi ZK

...and the trusted of (insert deity here) was heard to say: this guy sounds like some kinda commie...

Posted by: zonie kafir at September 21, 2007 3:08 PM

"I should also add that if it wasn't for ASSYRIAN CO NVERTS AND JEWS who translated all those Greek philosophers into Arabic, there would have been no renaissance in Europe and no western civilization as we know it today."

There, fixed that for you.

Such an arrangement made conquering Islam the vehicle,much in the manner of a typewriter,in relating the work of the original authors and principles of conceptual thought to the masses.

Posted by: We need G.C. Scott at September 21, 2007 3:11 PM

Eric I do have to go. But don't forget my prescriptions.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 3:11 PM

And here is Greenspan backtracking on those comments:

Greenspan Backtracks On Iraq War Oil Claim
The Skinny: Former Fed Chief Now Says Oil Wasn't The Reason For U.S. Invasion.

NEW YORK, Sept. 17, 2007

The two other newspapers benefiting from Greenspan's memoir-hawking rounds took away a slightly different messages from their interviews.

The Washington Post focused on the charge in Greenspan's book that "the Iraq war is largely about oil."

The fiscal guru backed off that assertion by suggesting that while securing global oil supplies "was not the administration's motive," it should have been.

He said than when he made the argument that ousting Saddam Hussein was "essential" because of the threat he posed to U.S. oil interests in the region, White House officials told him "Well, unfortunately, we can't talk about oil."

The New York Times zeroed in on the lifelong Republican's unhappiness with the Bush administration's lack of fiscal discipline.

"I'm just very disappointed," he told the Times "glumly" from his living room. "Smaller government, lower spending, lower taxes, less regulation - they had all the resources to do it, they had the knowledge to do it, they had the majorities to do it. And they didn't."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/09/21/the_skinny/main3284570.shtml

Posted by: Kay at September 21, 2007 3:12 PM

I have no doubt our "international" oil companies are making record profits, but OPEC sets the rate for middle eastern crude.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at September 21, 2007 3:13 PM

Sublimer:

"So in the same sense that one can be anti-semite(i.e. anti jew), one can be anti-muslim if he believes that all muslims are the same. And I believe that many of you here think that. a lot of the posters here also imagine the Muslims as being deceitful cunning hiding things and with a general agenda to rule the world as if they all meet insome general headquarters to discuss their plan."

I certainly don't believe that all Muslims are the same. However, there are many Muslims, that is, there are millions of Muslims who believe in global jihad. And it isn't so secret.

"As for those asking for the advantages of Islamic civilization, I would say that their is a better sense of family, of community."

As long as you stay in line. But step outside of their religious sensibilities then violent mayhem often results, with the perpetrators quoting various Koranic verses or Hadiths to support their violence.

"Not everything is about money."

True; but money is important, even in the Islamic world. But more important is power, especially absolute power. And that is what many a mullah craves; it comes straight from the founder of their religion.

"The peity that exists does not allow for the resurgence of human idols like those that exist in the west. You know, like Britney and paris Hilton."

I don't know anyone who admires, let alone idolizes Britney S. or Paris H. Please, come on, they're jokes. As for the Islamic world, you're right, their piety would never idolize any human, certainly not the "most perfect human" Mohammad, who millions try to emulate in the smallest ridiculous detail of their lives. And certainly not a jihadi by the name of Osama bin Laden.

"I should also add that people are not prisoners of their appearances and feel subjugated to fit a certain look promulgated by all the fashion magazines."

No, generally they, especially the women, are actually subjugated to fit a certain look promulgated by the religious authorities, often maintained by the religious police.

"One is freer to be himself without feeling that he needs to earn so much money or to look like Brad Pitt to be esteemed by the rest."

Right. You tell yourself that.

You omitted women in being freer to be themselves in the Islamic world. But that would be too outrageous, even for you.

"I should also add that if it wasn't for Islamic civilization who translated all the Greek philosophers to arabic, there would have been no renaissance in Europe and no western civilization as we know it today."

Well, I certainly wouldn't deny the Islamic world's contributions to the west, except not all Greek philosophy (which certainly isn't Islamic) came to the west via Arabic translations. Oh, and there are other contributions from the Islamic world that came from non-Islamic sources. For example, Arabic numerals were originally developed in India.

Please, I'm not denigrating Islamic civilization's contributions to the west; too bad the religious zealots took over and put an end to much of the advancements being made in the Islamic world; the result is the backwardness and dysfunctional ways of much of the Islamic world today. And the rage they have for the Infidel world which is obviously superior to their world.

Posted by: TUDOR at September 21, 2007 3:15 PM

sublimer: Your knowledge of history is as weak and distorted as is your understanding of the contemporary world. When you aver that there would have been no Renaissance in Europe and no Western Civilization as we know it today but for Arab translations of ancient Greek texts, you err grievously. Aside from the fact that this is a ridiculously sweeping statement (as examples, exactly how did Masaccio's, Michelangelo's and Durer's artistic creations, Da Vinci's many original ideas and the English development of Parliament, which eventually led to true representative government, owe anything to Arabic translations of ancient Greek works?), you overlook the fact that most ancient Greek texts were translated into Latin and numerous European vernacular languages of the time principally (though I concede not solely------- some Arabic translations of ancient Greek philosophical, historical and literary texts in medieval Spain and elsewhere did eventually find their way to the rest of Europe) because Byzantine Christian scholars made their way to the West, chiefly Italy, in the half-century or so before the fall of Constantinople in 1453 to the Turks and then when in Western lands educated Italians and others in the Greek language, which led to numerous translations of Greek masterpieces into Latin and vernaculars throughout Europe. You represent in microcosm a sterling example of the maxim, "a little knowledge is a bad thing."

Posted by: Wellington at September 21, 2007 3:18 PM

I should also add that if it wasn't for Islamic civilization who translated all the Greek philosophers to arabic, there would have been no renaissance in Europe and no western civilization as we know it today.

Posted by: sublimer

You need to educate yourself! You can start by going to Dhimmi Watch and reading the excellent essay by Fjordman which addresses that very topic. Seems you're wrong again!! Gosh, you must be getting tired of that...

Posted by: mepeteart at September 21, 2007 3:25 PM

And regarding the Arab owners of oil companies, please do some research into the takeover of oil companies by the Saudis and the Iranians. Recently, Iran commandeered a Romanian rig. This is behavior that is pretty consistent in the Middle East.

The west comes in and invests a great deal of money in oil development, and when it starts to produce well, the Muslim dictatorship takes it over.

Why don't these countries use their money to build their own industries? Why do they need so much help from the west?

Oh yeah, they are spending their money on Hezbollah, on terrorist training camps, on madrassas, on opulent mosques in Europe and America.

And, I don't think they have any workers willing to put in the time, except those shipped in from Indonesia, Pakistan and Egypt, who are treated as slaves in those rich oil states.

Posted by: Kay at September 21, 2007 3:26 PM

wellington, well said.

like i wrote above (way way above, hours ago), the sub-boy (or sub-girl) seems to be frozen in time, somewhere in the late 1990s, still shovelling out the same old islamic talking points from the days when the kafir took for granted that islam was a religion, rather than an agressive, expansionist political ideology.

well, many of us kafirs have learned since 911 what we should have understood long before, but didn't.

many have pointed out the utter stagnation of culture and science in islam. it seems that islam and its apologists suffer from the same sort of stagnation when it comes to talking points.

Posted by: Minority of One at September 21, 2007 3:31 PM

"As for those asking for the advantages of Islamic civilization, I would say that their is a better sense of family, of community."

...let's see

What Would Muhammad Do?
(a checklist)

Would Muhammad...?
YES!
NO!
Muslim Source

Have sex with a 9-year-old girl? Hadith
Advocate beheading?
Qur'an
Require women to
cover their faces?
Qur'an & Hadith
Befriend Christians and Jews? Qur'an
Own slaves?
Qur'an & Hadith
Marry his daughter-in-law?
Qur'an
Approve of prostitution?
Qur'an & Hadith
Gluttonize?
Ibn Ishaq
Recommend wife-beating?
Qur'an & Hadith

Hit his own wife?
Hadith
Kill prisoners of war?
Hadith
Advocate suicide attacks?
Qur'an & Hadith
Kill apostates?
Qur'an & Hadith
Tell sick persons to heal them-selves by drinking camel urine? Hadith
Beat children who don?t pray?
Hadith
Have eleven wives?
(at one time)
Hadith
Lie?
Qur'an & Hadith
Enslave women and children?
Hadith & Ibn Ishaq
Stone adulterers to death?
Hadith
Torture a man out of greed?
Ibn Ishaq
Consider men and women
equal partners? Qur'an & Hadith
Steal?
Qur'an & Hadith
Kill someone for insulting him? Qur'an & Hadith
Preach love for people
of all religions?
Qur'an & Hadith

Extort money from
other religions?
Qur'an & Hadith
Keep women as sex slaves?
Qur'an
Force conversions to Islam?
Qur'an & Hadith
Commit acts of terror?
Qur'an & Hadith
Kill a woman?
Biographers
Capture a woman and rape her?
Hadith
Encourage the rape of women
in front of their husbands? Hadith (Abu Dawud: 2150)

Oh, and don't forget that according to Allah himself (speaking through Muhammad, of course) Muhammad is the most "beautiful pattern of conduct" and "example" for mankind to follow (Qur'an Sura 33:21)!

Posted by: exsgtbrown at September 21, 2007 3:37 PM

And as far as the Paris Hilton and Britney Spears "idol worship", try to think of it this way instead.

If we, who don't have anything given to us on a silver spoon, have travails, then when we watch the problem filled lives of these celebrities, we realize that easy lives do not make the travails of life any easier.

This object lesson, "Look, her life isn't any easier than mine!" is what obsesses the watcher of the celebrities. "Maybe my life isn't so bad after all!"

Posted by: Kay at September 21, 2007 3:42 PM

Sublimer:

"Ok people,

I am going to work now. But before I go I give you a prescription to diminish the feverish hate you all suffer from:"

We all suffer from feverish hate? Doesn't that broad generalization make you a racist? For in an earlier post you claimed:

"racism has come to define any ideology that lumps a whole group together disregarding the different opinions, tastes that might exist in that same group"

So, ergo, using your own definition, you are a racist. However, your "definition" for racism is incorrect. Your ridiculous and incorrect definition is merely the typical bleating of political correct types who are constantly calling their opponents racists.

"- stop watching fox and listening to Rush Limbaugh."

Actually, wouldn't it be better to get information from a variety of sources? I'm not a huge fan of Fox nor do I waste my time listening to Limbaugh, but should qw limit ourselves to the New York Times, NPR and MSNBC?

"- stop taking vicodins and prozacs"

Oh, we all must be on drugs. Intelligent discourse.

"- stop overdosing on viagra"

I doubt anyone overdosing on viagra would be on this board right now.

"- read books written by knowledgeable people"

Perhaps you should follow your own advise.

"- Learn to discern disinformation through omission (a Robert Spencer specialty)"

Many of us have been able to discern your disinformation through omission so that particular bit of advice is not needed. Oh, by the way, could you please provide examples of Robert Spencer's alleged disinformation through omission?

"- read a little bit more about other cultures"

I seriously doubt you have anything to teach me about other cultures and civilizations.

"- Don't let your paranoia make you feel like you are minorities in the world. Last I've seen, the huge majority of people in congress and the senate as well as in the parliaments over in europe are old white men."

And the majority of parliamentarians in Japan are Japanese men. The majority of rubber stamping parliamentarians in the Islamic Middle East are Islamic Middle Eastern men. Oh, I understand; another lame attempt by Sublimer to portray us as white, male chauvinistic racists.

Posted by: TUDOR at September 21, 2007 3:44 PM

Great run sublimer, you quintissential leftist, self loathing, "liberal", muslim wannabe.

All the earmarks: hating Bush, hating America, and all sympathy for the devil. You romance with islam is because they express your feelings.

You are the coward who never fights to win, but who "negotiates" and is "above all that".

Off to work at the DNC.

Here's your hat. What's your hurry ?

Posted by: dgene at September 21, 2007 3:54 PM

Sublimer.

I sleep very well at night. Knowing people with first hand experience on the subject suggest to me you know little of what you type.

Girls under the age of 8 raising Weapons against US Forces. 5 year old Boys trying to stab US forces with poisonous Syringes. Taliban using Women forceably held while firing their weapons in exposed positions. Recieving Sniper fire but unable to return fire for lack of knowledge if "innocent Iraqis'" are inside.

You read like a CNN talking Point Memo. Ignorance passing as knowledge.

Stick to subjects you know, which apparently is very little.

Posted by: flowerknife_us at September 21, 2007 3:58 PM

BTW, the white race is the minority race.
(worldwide)

Posted by: interestinconundrum at September 21, 2007 4:01 PM

Keep it coming boys and girls. Very well, exorcise your hate.... now inhale 1, 2 ,3 exhale 1, 2, 3 ..... and now repeat again... soon you will be healed.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 4:02 PM

“As for those asking for the advantages of Islamic civilization, I would say that there is a better sense of family, of community. Not everything is about money. The piety that exists does not allow for the resurgence of human idols like those that exist in the west.”

Are you kidding? Where? In Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan? Egypt? This is the typical argument presented by apologist. Once again values forced by a cruel legal system is not true values but instead coercion. Also what kind of vales? Is honor killings and the forced subjugation of women part of Islamic values? What about apostasy? Can you leave Islam? What about if a woman chooses for her self not to wear Islamic dress? Is she punished? You see all these so called “advantages” pale into comparison when you look at the negatives they create. The negative is a weak minded culture that is trapped in a past century long ago. Without the freedom to choose ones fate and to be able push the bounds of tradition no society can ever progress. Islamic piety prevents freedom.

“You know, like Britney and paris Hilton. I should also add that people are not prisoners of their appearances and feel subjugated to fit a certain look promulgated by all the fashion magazines.”

But being prisoners to a dead desert bandit who is called a prophet is better? I would rather have a foolish girl try to be like Britney then a foolish boy try to be Muhammad. Also this proves an advantage of the west. Britney is falling apart now. She is proof that the way she lived her life is not good. She has set an example of what not to do. Many young female teens are seeing before their eyes a wonderful lesson. The smart ones will choose not to follow that path and the stupid ones will. Islamic civilization on the other hand prevents the smart girls from succeeding. Thus a whole segment of the population is prevented from contributing to civilization.

“One is freer to be himself without feeling that he needs to earn so much money or to look like Brad Pitt to be esteemed by the rest.”

Freer? Islam means submission! Jeeze! Do know the meaning of the word?

“I should also add that if it wasn't for Islamic civilization who translated all the Greek philosophers to Arabic, there would have been no renaissance in Europe and no western civilization as we know it today. “

I could write several pages on this but why should I because Fjordman at Dhimmi Watch already has. See the link below, click on it and learn.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/018190.php#more

Also I would like to ask what did Islamic Civilization create? Any society can traslate a few books but can they advance the knowledge to new levels? Western Civilization has done that on several occasions but Islamic Civilization has not.

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at September 21, 2007 4:05 PM

greatcoment,

if you really insist :

* Abubacer

See Ibn Tufail.

* Abulcasis

See Al-Zahrawi.

* Ahmad ibn Fadlan (10th century, Baghdad,Iraq)

Writer and traveler who wrote an account of his travels as a member of an embassy of the Caliph of Baghdad to the king of the Volga Bulgars.

* Ahmad ibn Majid (1432, Ras al-Khaimah, UAE - 1500,?)

Was one of the most famous Arab navigators. He became famous in the West as the navigator who has been associated with helping Vasco da Gama find his way from Africa to India. He was the author of nearly 40 works of poetry and prose. His most important work was Kitab al-Fawa’id fi Usul ‘Ilm al-Bahr wa ’l-Qawa’id (Book of Useful Information on the Principles and Rules of Navigation), written in 1490.

* Ahmed ibn Yusuf (835, Baghdad - 912, Egypt) - Mathematician.

* Alhacen

See Ibn al-Haytham.

* Ali Ben Isa(9th century)

He was an Astronomer. Together with khalid Ben Abdulmelik in 827, he measured the Earth's circumference, getting a result of 40,248 km (or, according to other sources, 41,436 km).

* Armen Firman (c. 830, Córdoba, Spain - ?, Spain )

He made one of the earliest examples of a parachute.

* Arzachel

See Al-Zarqali.

* Al-Asma'i (739, Basra, Iraq - 831, Basra, Iraq)

Considered as the first Muslim scientist who contributed to Zoology, Botany and Animal Husbandry. His famous writings include Kitab al-Ibil, Kitab al-Khalil, Kitab al-Wuhush, Kitab al-Sha, and Kitab Khalq al-Insan. The last book on human anatomy demonstrates his considerable knowledge and expertise on the subject.

* Avempace

See Ibn Bajjah.

* Averroes

See Ibn Rushd.

* Avenzoar

See Ibn Zuhr.

[edit] B

* Ibn Tahir al-Baghdadi (980, Baghdad, Iraq - 1037, ? )

He wrote about different systems of arithmetic in a work of great importance in the history of mathematics.

* Ibn Al-Baitar (1197, Malaga, Spain - 1248, Damascus, Syria)

One of the greatest scientists of Muslim Spain and was the greatest botanist and pharmacist of the Middle Ages.

* Ibn Bajjah ( ?, Saragossa, Spain - 1138, Fez, Morocco)

He had a vast knowledge of Medicine, Mathematics and Astronomy. His main contribution to Islamic Philosophy is his idea on Soul Phenomenology, but unfortunately not completed. He was also the teacher of Ibn Rushd.

* Ibn al-Banna (1256, Marrakesh, Morocco - 1321, Marrakesh, Morocco)

He wrote a large number of works including an introduction to Euclid's Elements, an algebra text and various works on astronomy.

* Al-Baqilani (?, Basra, Iraq - 1013, Basra, Iraq)

Muslim theologian. He introduced the conceptions of atoms and vacuum into the Kalam. He extended atomism to time and motion, conceiving them as essentially discontinuous. Once when he entered the court of the Roman Emperor while he was among his Christian monks and priests, he mockingly said to one of the priests: "How are you? How are your family and children?" to illustrate a point.

* Al-Battani (850, Harran, Turkey - 929, Qasr al-Jiss, Iraq)

His best-known achievement was the determination of the solar year as being 365 days, 5 hours, 46 minutes and 24 seconds.
He was able to correct some of Ptolemy's results and compiled new tables of the Sun and Moon, long accepted as authoritative, discovered the movement of the Sun's apogee, treated the division of the celestial sphere, and introduced, probably independently of the 5th century Indian astronomer Aryabhata, the use of sines in calculation, and partially that of tangents, forming the basis of modern trigonometry. His most important work is the Kitāb al-zīğ (Arabic: كتاب الزيج "the book of tables ).

* Al Betrugi,Nur Ed-Din (known in the West by the Latinized name of Alpetragius);(died ca. 1204 AD) was an Arab astronomer and philosopher of the Middle Ages. Born in present-day Morocco, he settled in Seville, in Andalusia.The Alpetragius crater on the Moon is named after him.

[edit] C

[edit] D

* Ibn Duraid (837, Basra, Iraq - 934, Baghdad, Iraq)

He was a geographer, genealogist, poet, and philologist. He wrote a large Arabic dictionary, "The Collection on the Language". He also wrote on the genealogy of the Arab tribes.

[edit] E

[edit] F

* Abu al-Faraj Al-Isfahani (897, Isfahan, Iran - 967, Baghdad, Iraq)

Literary scholar who is famous for his Book of Songs (Kitab al-Aghani), an encyclopaedic and fundamental work on Arabic songs, composers, poets, and musicians.

* Muhammad al-Fazari

Credited to have built the first astrolabe in the Islamic world.

* Ibrahim al-Fazari

[edit] G

[edit] H

* Haly Abenragel or the Arabic name Abû l-Hasan 'Alî ibn Abî l-Rijâl, was an Arab astrologer of the late 10th and early 11th century, best known for his Kitāb al-bāri' fi akhām an-nujūm.

* Ibn al-Haytham (965, Basra, Iraq - 1040, Cairo, Egypt)

A polymath regarded as one of the most eminent physicists, whose contributions to optics, physics, mathematics and the scientific method are outstanding. He is considered the father of optics, the pioneer of the scientific method, the founder of psychophysics and experimental psychology, and the "first scientist". His Book of Optics is one of the most influential books in physics.

* Al-Hamdani (893, Yemen - 945, Sanaa, Yemen)

Was a geographer, poet, grammarian, historian, and astronomer, who was one of the best representative of Islamic culture during the last effective years of the Abbasid caliphate.

* Ibn Hawqal (943, Baghdad,Iraq - 969,? )

He was a writer, geographer, and chronicler. He spent the last 30 years of his life traveling to remote parts of Asia and Africa, writing about the areas and things he had seen. His famous work is Surat al-Ardh (صورة الارض; "The face of the Earth"), where he included a detailed description of Muslim-held Spain, Italy, and the "Lands of the Romans," the term used by the Muslim world to describe the Byzantine Empire. In it, among other things, he gives a description of Kiev, and is said to have mentioned the route of the Volga Bulgars and the Khazars, perhaps by Sviatoslav I of Kiev.

* Ibn Hubal,was an Arab physician and scientist known primarily for his medical compendium titled Kitab al-Mukhtarat fi al-tibb, "The Book of Selections in Medicine." It was written in 1165 in Mosul,Iraq .

[edit] I

* Ibrahim ibn Sinan (908, Baghdad, Iraq - 946, Baghdad, Iraq)

The son of Sinan ibn Thabit. Was a mathematician and astronomer who studied geometry and in particular tangents to circles. He also made advances in the theory of integration.

* Ikhwan al-Safa اخوان الصفا وخلان الوفا (The Brethren of Purity) (Basra, Iraq)

A group of neo-Platonic Arabic philosophers during the 10th century.

* Al-Idrisi (1099, Ceuta, Maghreb - 1166 CE, Sicily)

Considered the greatest geographer and cartographer of the middle Ages. Al-Idrisi constructed a world globe map of 400 kg pure silver and precisely recorded on it the "seven inhabitated regions" with trade routes, lakes and rivers, major cities, and plains and mountains. His world maps were used in Europa for centuries to come. It is worth mentioning that Christopher Columbus used the world map which was originally taken from Al-Idrisi's work. He also contributed to the science of medicinal plants.

* Hunayn bin Ishaq (known in latin as Johannitius) (809-873 al-Hira, Baghdad)

Translator and physician.

* Ibn Abi Ishaq (died AD 735)

An Arab grammarian and is the earliest known grammarian of the Arabic language.

[edit] J

* Jabir ibn Aflah (1100, Seville, Spain - 1160, ? )

Astronomer and mathematician whose translated works in Latin influenced later European mathematicians.

* Jabir ibn Hayyan (ca.721, Tus, Iran – ca. 815, Kufa, Iraq)

A polymath who is considered the father of chemistry. He emphasized systematic experimentation, and did much to free alchemy from superstition and turn it into a science.

* Al-Jahiz (776, Basra, Iraq - 869, Basra, Iraq)

He was an Arabic prose writer, historian, biologist, and author of works on adab, Mu'tazili theology, politico-religious polemics, and evolution.

* Al-Jawhari, Abu Alabbas (ca. 800-860) was a 9th century Arab mathematician. He lived and worked in Damascus and Baghdad.He is known for writing a book, Commentary on Euclid's Elements.

* Al-Jayyani (989, Cordoba, Spain - 1079, Jaen, Spain)

He wrote important commentaries on Euclid's Elements and he wrote the first treatise on spherical trigonometry.

* Al-Jazari (ca. 1200, Al-Jazira, Iraq/Syria - ?,?)

He was was one of history's greatest mechanical engineers. He authored 60 inventions in his book Al-Jami Bain Al-Ilm Wal-Amal Al-Nafi Fi Sinat'at Al-Hiyal. Among his inventions were the crankshaft, combination lock, reciprocating piston mechanism, weight-driven mechanical clock, and the first recorded design of a programmable humanoid robot.

* Ibn Al-Jazzar (10th century, Qairwan, Tunis)

10th century influential Arab physician who became famous for his writtings on medicine. He was born in Qairwan in modern-day Tunisia.

* Ibn Jubayr (1145,Valencia.Spain -1217,Egypt)

Geographer, traveler, and poet. Known for his detailed travel journals.

[edit] K

* Khalil ibn Ahmad (c. 718–c. 791)

was writer and philologist from southern Arabia (modern day Oman) who compiled the first dictionary of the Arabic language, the Kitab al-Ayn.

* Al-Kindi (c.801 CE, Kufa, Iraq – 873, Bahgdad, Iraq)

A gifted mathematician, astronomer, physician and a geographer as well as a talented musician. He wrote the first treatise in cryptography.

* Ibn Khaldun (May 27, 1332, Tunis - March 19, 1406, Cairo, Egypt)

A polymath who is considered the father of demography, cultural history, historiography, philosophy of history, sociology, and the social sciences, and he is considered a forerunner of modern economics. He is best known for his Muqaddimah (Prolegomena in Latin).

* Al-Khalili ( 1320, Damascus, Syria - 1380, Damascus, Syria)

Was an astronomer who compiled extensive tables for astronomical use.

[edit] L

[edit] M

* Maslamah Ibn Ahmad al-Majriti,(d. 1008 or 1007 CE), was an Arab Muslim scholar and astronomer in Spain.
* Muhyi al-Din al-Maghribi (1220, Spain - 1283, Maragha, Iran)

He was famous for his work on trigonometry.

* Al-Ma'arri (December 26, 973 - May 10 or May 21, 1057, Ma'arra (المعرة) in Syria) was a blind Arab philosopher poet and writer.

* Al-Masudi ( ?, Baghdad, Iraq - 957, Cairo, Egypt)

Was a historian, geographer and philosopher. Born in Baghdad, he traveled to Spain, Russia, India, Sri Lanka and China and spent his last years in Syria and Egypt.

* Al-Mawardi Known in Latin as Alboacen (972, Basra, Iraq - 1058, Iraq)

He was one of the most famous thinkers in political science in the middle Ages. He was also a great sociologist, jurist, and mohaddith. He served as Chief Justice at Baghdad and as an ambassador of the Abbasid Caliph to several important and powerful Muslim states. Al-Mawardi made original contributions in political science and sociology. In these fields, he wrote three monumental works: Kitab al-Ahkam al-Sultania, Qanun al-Wazarah, and Kitab Nasihat al-Mulk. Al-Mawardi formulated the principles of political science. His books deal with duties of the Caliphs, the chief minister, the cabinet, and the responsibility of and relationship between the government and citizens. He has discussed the affairs of state in both peace and war. Kitab Aadab al-Dunya wa al-Din was his another masterpiece in Ethics. He was the author and supporter of the Doctrine of Necessity.

* Ma Yize (ca. 910, ? - 1005, China)

An important astronomer and astrologist who worked as the chief official of the astronomical observatory of the Song dynasty.

* Muhammad Al-Muqaddasi (946 CE, Jerusalam, Palastine - ?)

Notable medieval Arab geographer, author of Ahsan at-Taqasim fi Ma`rifat il-Aqalim (The Best Divisions for Knowledge of the Regions)

[edit] N

* Ibn al-Nadim

Was a Muslim Shi'ite scholar and bibliographer who is the famous author of Kitab al-Fihrist, which is an index of all books written in Arabic by Arabs and non-Arabs.

* Ibn Nafis (1213, Damascus, Syria - 1288, Cairo, Egypt)

Was a physician who is mostly famous for being the first to describe the pulmonary circulation of the blood.

* Nashwan al-Himyari (?, Yemen - 1178)

Author of Shams al-'ulum, a lexicographical encyclopedia.

[edit] O

[edit] P

[edit] Q

* Al-Qalasadi (1412, Baza, Spain - 1486, Beja, Tunisia)

Mathematician who took the first steps toward the introduction of algebraic symbolism by using letters in place of numbers.

[edit] R

* Ibn Rushd (1126, Cordoba, Spain – December 10, 1198, Marrakesh, Morocco)

A master of philosophy and Islamic law, mathematics, and medicine. His school of philosophy is known as Averroism.

* Ahmad Reda 1872, Nabatiye, Lebanon - 1953, Nabatiye, Lebanon)

A prominent writer and linguist. Wrote "Matn al-lugha", first Arabic dictionary since "Lisan al-Arab" that was assembled in the 13th Century.

[edit] S

* Al-Samawal (1130, Baghdad, Iraq - 1180, Maragha, Iran)

Mathematician who was able to extend the arithmetic operations to handle polynomials. He used an early form of induction.

* Ibn al-Shatir (1304,Damascus - 1375, Syria, Damascus)

Was an astronomer who worked as a timekeeper in the Umayyad Mosque. His most famous work was kitab nihayat as-sul fi tashih al-usul ("A Final Inquiry Concerning the Rectification of Planetary Theory"). In treating the motion of the Moon, he eliminated the need for an equant by introducing an extra epicycle, departing from the Ptolemaic system in a way very similar to what Copernicus later also did. He also proposed a system that was only approximately geocentric, rather than exactly so, having demonstrated trigonometrically that the Earth was not the exact center of the universe. The discovery and the whole concept of planetary motion is attributed to Kepler and Copernicus while unfairly not crediting the contribution of Ibn Al-Shatir.

* Sinan ibn Thabit (880, Baghdad, Iraq - 880, Baghdad, Iraq)

The son of Thabit ibn Qurra and father of Ibrahim ibn Sinan. He is more important for his contributions to medicine than to mathematics.

* Ibn Sahl (ca. 940 - 1000)

Mathematician who wrote a treatise On Burning Mirrors and Lense. Rashed (1990) credited Ibn Sahl with discovering the law of refraction, usually called Snell's law.

[edit] T

* Thabit ibn Qurra (836, Harran, Turkey - Baghdad, Iraq)

Was an important Islamic mathematician who worked on number theory, astronomy and statics.

* Ibn Al-Thahabi (?, Suhar, Oman - 1033 CE, Valencia, Spain)

Was a physician, famous for his work Kitab Al-Ma'a (The Book of Water), which is the first known alphabetical encyclopedia of medicine. In it he lists the names of diseases, its medicine and a physiological process or a treatment, and adds numerous original ideas about the function of the human organs. Indeed, he explains an original idea of how the vision takes place, similar to Ibn al-Haitham. It also contains a course for the treatment psychological symptoms. The main thesis of his treatment is that the cure must start from controlled food and exercise, and if the symptoms persist then use specific individual medicines.

* Ibn Tufail (c.1105, Guadix, Spain – 1185, Morocco)

He served as a secretary for the ruler of Granada, and later as vizier and physician for Abu Yaqub Yusuf, ruler of Islamic Spain (Al-Andalus) under the Almohad dynasty. He was the author of Hayy ibn Yaqdhan (Arabic: حي بن يقظان ) a philosophical romance and allegorical tale of a man who lives alone on an island and who, without contact with other human beings, discovers the truth by reasonable thinking, and then his shock upon contact with human society's dogmatism and other ills.

[edit] U

* Al-Umawi (1400, Spain - 1489, Damascus, Syria)

Mathematician who wrote works on mensuration and arithmetic.

* Al-Uqlidisi (920, Damascus, Syria - 980, Damascus, Syria)

Wrote two works on arithmetic. He may have anticipated the invention of decimals.

* Usamah ibn Munqidh (1095-1188,Damascus, Syria), an Arab historian, politician, and diplomat
* Ibn abi usaibia (1203-1270,Damascus,Syria), an Arab physician and Historian.He wrote Uyiln ul-Anba fe Tabaqat ul-Atibba or Lives of the Physicians.

[edit] V

[edit] W

* Waddah al-Yaman (Yemen,? - Syria,Damscus,709)

He was an Arabic poet, famous for his erotic and romantic poems.

* Ibn Wahshiyah (ca.900)

Alchemist who is claimed to have cracked the Rosetta stone, eight centuries earlier than Jean-François Champollion. The achievemnet of cracking this code is famed as a critical moment in code-breaking history.[1]

[edit] X

[edit] Y

* Yusuf al-Mutamin,was a mathematician He wrote Kitab al-Istikmal (Book of Perfection) in mathematics.

[edit] Z

* Al-Zahrawi (936, Cordoba, Spain - 1013, Cordoba, Spain)

Was Islam's greatest medieval surgeon, whose comprehensive medical texts, combining Middle Eastern and Greco-Roman classical teachings, shaped European surgical procedures until the Renaissance. He is considered the Father Of Surgery. His greatest contribution to history is Al-Tasrif, a thirty-volume collection of medical practice.

* Al-Zarqali (1028,Spain - 1087,? CE)

He was a leading mathematician and the foremost astronomer of his time. He excelled at the construction of precision instruments for astronomical use. He constructed a flat astrolabe that was 'universal,' for it could be used at any latitude, and he built a water clock capable of determining the hours of the day and night and indicating the days of the lunar months. He was the first to prove conclusively the motion of the aphelion relative to the fixed background of the stars. He measured its rate of motion as 12.04 seconds per year, which is remarkably close to the modern calculation of 11.8 seconds. He also contributed to the famous Tables of Toledo.

* Ibn Zuhr (1091, Seville, Spain - 1161, Seville, Spain)

Was one of the most prominent physicians, clinicians and parasitologist of the Middle Ages. He was the first to test different medicines on animals before using them with humans. Also, he was the first to describe in detail scabies, a widespread itch mite, and is thus regarded as the first parasitologist. He was a practical man and disliked medical

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 4:09 PM

...you know you could make a list of what Mohammad would do in one column and in the second column you could list what Jesus would do...it is amazing..
Mo sez yes ......jesus sez no
mo sez war.......jesus sez peace
mo sez hate......jesus sez love
mo sez conquer...jesus sez make peace

etc etc...

and I have noticed they are completely 180 opposites...

....kinda like the old superman comics where superman had an alter ego in a reverse world....a completely evil superman in a bizarro world....

....hmmmm......

Posted by: exsgtbrown at September 21, 2007 4:15 PM

If mo sez war and jesus sez peace, i must take it most of you are mahometans since you want to start a war with iran. No ?

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 4:18 PM

Interesting list of Middle Ages scientists and engineers, developing some ideas based on knowledge gleaned from the conquered and the subjugated (that is, the ones that were not simply slaughtered). And in the past 500 years? Muslim on the moon? Too funny.

Posted by: Minority of One at September 21, 2007 4:18 PM

"BTW, the white race is the minority race.
(worldwide)

Posted by: interestinconundrum "

....HA! ....and getting more minor every day....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at September 21, 2007 4:23 PM

I wouldn't consider the invention of algorithm, algebra and chemistry gleaning. But you can keep on plugging your eyes and ears.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 4:26 PM

and i might add modern optics and astronomy.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 4:27 PM

do you actually believe what you are saying, sub-person? good lord, i think he does.

Posted by: Minority of One at September 21, 2007 4:30 PM

subhuman -

I thought you had to go to work?

Knew it was too good to be true....a muslim with an actual job!

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at September 21, 2007 4:32 PM

did you read the post you illiterate ? damn, just read it for a second and go do some research if you don't believe it.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 4:32 PM

ImNoDhimmi,

I can work and comment. It seems that I have enough brain cells to multi task. It's incredible how I managed to neutralize you all singlehandedly - a la Cyrano de Bergerac. It takes you people an eternity to think of something semi-coherent to write and another eternity to type it out.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 4:37 PM

i think the sub-person is calling me illiterate. i swear, this is too good to be true. we've got a an excetional case here boys and girls, i hope someone is taking notes, maybe we could publish a study in Nature or Science (or the New England Journal of Medicine). I'm thinking one of those advanced science and engineering research institutes in north yemen cloned this guy using every stereotype they could scrape together. good work, guys!

Posted by: Minority of One at September 21, 2007 4:39 PM

well if someone hands your ass to you on a platter, it is indeed worthy of a publication.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 4:44 PM

ok sublimer, that's a threat. you pick the time and place.

Posted by: Minority of One at September 21, 2007 4:45 PM

check out history of optics here :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_optics

and history of astronomy here :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_astronomy

and ask your mom to read it out loud for you.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 4:48 PM

ciao boys and girls, enjoy the sublimer-baiting. I like this sport.

Posted by: Minority of One at September 21, 2007 4:49 PM

"The Iranian president, who is under Secret Service protection while in the country, was told to steer clear of lower Manhattan.

I would have put it a different way, thusly: "Boy*, don't be here when the sun goes down."

*Some consider this a racial pejorative, however in this context, it is a description of you-know-who's physical stature.

I once heard a rendition of "Chattanooga Choo Choo" where the singer sang "Pardon me, sir ..." instead of "Pardon me, boy, is that the Chattanooga Choo Choo." PC gone amok.

Just by lookin at the number of postings (199), I can see that a Troll is lurking here.

Posted by: Pelayo at September 21, 2007 4:51 PM

this is the time and place. Fight with your words if you want to prove to me that you are semi-intelligent. Or can you only resort to violence ?

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 4:52 PM

"Keep it coming boys and girls. Very well, exorcise your hate.... now inhale 1, 2 ,3 exhale 1, 2, 3 ..... and now repeat again... soon you will be healed."

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 4:02 PM

Still lurking here, huh? I thought you left to go to work. Would that make you a liar?

Re: Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 4:09 PM

Nice cut-and-paste job. Are you presenting this list as a product of your own? Doesn't that make you a plagiarist? A pathetic one at that.

Whether you copied a page from Wikipedia or another site, I can't figure out why such admittedly remarkable men as the poet Waddah al-Yaman or the Arab grammarian Ibn Abi Ishaq are included in "your" list, since I doubt their works had anything to do with the advancement of western civilization. Oh; the list is just another pathetic attempt of sublimer to put us in our place. Unfortunately for you, it just demonstrates how little you do know about the subject at hand.

Stick to ad hominem attacks; it suits you better.

Posted by: TUDOR at September 21, 2007 4:52 PM

i swear this guy is way too funny. now, we're supposed to learn the history of science from W-I-K-I-P-E-D-I-A.

sorry folks, i have to get out of here, my sides are splitting.

hey, did ya know that islam invented the online encyclopedia? i swear, its true!

Posted by: Minority of One at September 21, 2007 4:52 PM

You do realize that the most recent entry of that list is the 15th century?

You do know how much our world has changed since then? Western world, anyway.

Nothing in 500 years? Wow. 500 years ago was just about when Ferdinand and Isabel threw the heathen out of Spain, isn't it?

Just about the same time Christopher Columbus discovered the Mayans sacrificing one another on the altars of the gods for gain. Imagine that! And they discovered the Mayan sun cycle!

How times have changed! For some, that is.

Posted by: Kay at September 21, 2007 4:57 PM

If mo sez war and jesus sez peace, i must take it most of you are mahometans since you want to start a war with iran. No ?

Posted by: sublimer

Hate to break it to you, but Iran declared war on the US in 1979 when it invaded our embassy in Tehran. Ayatollah Khomeini deemed the US the Great Satan. THe mahometans have been waging war since Mohammed faked his first trance.

Christianity never had a dar-al-Harb.

Posted by: PMK at September 21, 2007 4:59 PM

Ok bye bye, Minority. People don't usually run away from a duel but you've proved what you're worth.

As for tudor, what do you think ? I wrote that whole thing on my own ????????????????? Are you f********* serious ???????? Of course it's from wikipedia. But you can do as Minority and plug your eyes and ears too.

Minority, since your intellect is not worthy of wikipedia I suggest you go to a library (i hope you know what that is), pick up an encyclopedia britannica (i also hope you know what that is) and search for the same entries. If you also think that EB is leftist propaganda, then just stick to Limbaugh and Spencer. There's nothing I can do for you. really.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 5:00 PM

"Ferdinand and Isabel threw the heathen out of Spain, isn't it?"

heathen ? If that's how you like to call the Jews and Muslims, have it your way you anti-semite !

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 5:03 PM

Sublimer, what I read in both of those wikipedia articles is that Arabs contributed to a science that was originally postulated by the Greeks, Romans, Persians, and then was continued by the Franciscan monks, like Roger Bacon, John Pecham, and other westerners like Copernicus.

Where are the Islamic contributors now?

Optics have continued to be refined, we have contact lenses, bifocals, lasik technology. We have cameras, televisions, becoming more and more advanced. We have ships visiting Mars.

Where are the Arab contributors to these advances?

They started with the Greeks, the Persians, the Romans. There was some contribution from Islam for a few hundred years. Why did it stop? Why did it fail?

Posted by: Kay at September 21, 2007 5:12 PM

And tudor,

i am a liar because i left and then came back. Unless you're in the second grade, either your sense of humor is terrible or you are an idiot.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 5:15 PM

I hope that I am not repeating any other postings, there are too many to read them all, especially the Sublimer comments.

Anyway, sublime is a verb whish means "to cause to sublimate." Now, sublimation is the change in state from a solid without going through the liquid state, as ice does. Notice that sometimes in the winter small layers of ice will simply disappear.

There is also another definition from Yahoo dictionary - A. To modify the natural expression of (a primitive, instinctual impulse) in a socially acceptable manner.
B. To divert the energy associated with (an unacceptable impulse or drive) into a personally and socially acceptable activity

Either Siblimer is haughty enough to think he can modify our behavior, or he is personally responsible for transforming ice directly into vapor.

Posted by: Pelayo at September 21, 2007 5:17 PM

Please forgive my ignorance, but is the definition of a troll someone who goes where they aren't welcome, starts a fight, loses, plays the victim and then declares victory??? No, wait, that's a muslim (extremist, to be PC).

Posted by: mepeteart at September 21, 2007 5:17 PM

When I scroll down the main page and I see one thread with 200+ comments, I think, "Uh-oh."

This thread has gotten much too far off-topic, and has been monopolized far too much by one person.

So, how about that Thug-in-Chief?

Marisol Seibold
Jihad Watch News Editor

Posted by: MarisolJW at September 21, 2007 5:22 PM

Pelayo,

You actually had to look in the dictionary ? Madre mia !

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 5:25 PM

Nobody here wishes to start a War with Iran. More of a desire to finish the one Iran Declaired on US back in 1979.

Some may not be old enough to understand the distinction. Some may find it convient to remain so. No matter how much older they have become. The "wiser" part somehow was left out.

Despite all this supposed wisdom of Islams past. It was still the "West" that proved the World was Round. Not to forget the Figuring out what wonderful things could be done with that Black Sticky stuff their Camals kept getting stuck in.

Stop trying to sell the notion we have to accept Tribal Life and Thought.

Islam Triblism needs to PROGRESS into the Modern WORLD or it will ultimately go the way of the American Indian. Where your Great Grand Children can shed Tears of regret during their trip to Mars. Or they can just live a Life of regret and never understand why.

What regret would you prefer for your Great Grand Children?

Posted by: flowerknife_us at September 21, 2007 5:26 PM

Two things on this topic.One is why don't Bush go speak to and Iranian University?

Another is screw the peaceful protest if he wanders over to ground zero,flip his car and every stinking car in his motorcade.

Also what the hell is "i won't Insist" supposed to mean?

There is no insist to it.We say NO and thats the end of it.If he doesn't like it SO WHAT!

And as far as it all goes screw columbia for inviting the loser.

Naseem must but be down for a nap as sublimer comes in to fill in for the polishing act.It's still a pile no matter how shiny you make it.

Posted by: Dar al-harb at September 21, 2007 5:26 PM

Steve Jobs, Carlos Slim, & John Mack may be Arabs, are they Muslim? Arabs are not necessarily the problem; it is their Muslim religion that is the problem.

Since you seem to be attributing our disgust of jihadists to a hatred of Arabs, I wonder who the racist is.

Posted by: Pelayo at September 21, 2007 5:26 PM

Hola Marisol, que tal estas ?

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 5:28 PM

Addendum: Putting words in other people's mouths is not a productive form of debate. If you think someone said something, or if you think someone thinks something, find a quote and prove it.

And, ad hominem attacks among commenters are a waste of everyone's time.

Posted by: MarisolJW at September 21, 2007 5:30 PM

Sublimer, I learned the definition of sublimation as applied to ice probably before you were born.

GFY

Posted by: Pelayo at September 21, 2007 5:30 PM

Pelayo,

check kay's question. I answered his question.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 5:32 PM

sublimer at September 21, 2007 5:15 PM

"And tudor,

i am a liar because i left and then came back."

Well, yes. You wrote you were leaving because you were off to work. Congratulations on having such a short day at work.

"Unless you're in the second grade, either your sense of humor is terrible or you are an idiot."

I have no idea if your moniker "sublimer" has anything to do with the word sublime, but sublime is certainly not you.

Posted by: TUDOR at September 21, 2007 5:32 PM

This thread has been an interesting case study in why Islam is for losers.....

Posted by: champ at September 21, 2007 5:33 PM

Pelayo, then why look in the dictionary you idiot. You people make no sense.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 5:35 PM

I think that's a good stopping point for "sublimer."

Posted by: MarisolJW at September 21, 2007 5:40 PM

"Pelayo,check kay's question. I answered his question."
Huh? Kay is usually a female name.

How about that TIC, I like acronyms. Ahmadinijad obviously wants the photo-op so that he can lure the gullible into believing that he really is a moderate Muslim.

Read these opinions from Ibrahim Dasai: http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=6814
http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=4081

It appears that flowers and wreaths used to honor the dead are un-Islamic. However, if this ceremony were for the purpose of furthering jihad, then it most likely would be permissable.

Posted by: Pelayo at September 21, 2007 5:49 PM

sub-person wrote: "There's nothing I can do for you. really."

Shoot. You actually wrote something that made sense. I don't think there is much you could do for anybody at all. really.

Anyone who gets their learnin' from Wikipedia has very little to offer.

Left work, picked up beer and steaks, drove home, and the troll is still here. Cool.

And Marisol is right, this is way off topic.

So is the Thug-in-Chief in NY by now? I am having trouble finding a justification for having him on US soil, unless there is a coup d'état going on while he's away. We can only hope.

Posted by: Minority of One at September 21, 2007 5:52 PM

Following up on my previous post (and assuming there is still someone on this thread besides the funny that funny wikipedia person), I am wondering if W and his folks have anything planned for the séjour of the mahdi's butt boy in NY.

It is a classic move to pull off a coup while the dictator (real or nominal) is away.

Maybe a few boming runs on jihadi camps just east of the Iraq border with iran?

Something, please. W? Something.

Posted by: Minority of One at September 21, 2007 6:02 PM

sublimer: You never substantiated your claim that neither the Renaissance nor Western Civilization as we know it would have existed but for Arabic translations during the medieval era of ancient Greek texts. Perhaps by now even you realize what an over-the-top, foolish historical analysis you proffered previously------but perhaps I give you too much credit. I also have to wonder whether such historical drivel as you have provided passes for truth in Muslim lands. I fear it does.

Posted by: Wellington at September 21, 2007 6:03 PM

Sublime’s Wonderful list of Muslim doing positive things.., Wow I’m impressed.

All that since around the10 century. Yepee!

Look at the list of terror Muslims have committed since 911
It is over 9000, that’s just a few short years.

Allah=Lord of the worlds=Devil

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/TheList.htm

Posted by: Joe Schmoe USA at September 21, 2007 6:14 PM

Dubya, listen up buddy. An IED. OK? On the route from the airport to the UN. Work for you?

Posted by: Minority of One at September 21, 2007 6:23 PM

If President Reagan could deny Arafag a visa to enter the US, then Bush should do the same to Ahnanazijob.

Posted by: CapitalistGig at September 21, 2007 6:27 PM

"I think that's a good stopping point for 'sublimer'." Posted by: MarisolJW

I'd call that a wise executive decision.

Posted by: Josephine at September 21, 2007 6:30 PM

"The Iranian president, in an interview to air Sunday on "60 Minutes," indicated he would not press the issue. "I won't insist," Ahmadinejad said, although he expressed disbelief that the visit would offend Americans."....from headline.

Imacluelessmoron is suffering from "disbelief"? OH SHUT UP!! And why are we giving Mr. Obtuse another interview with 60 Minutes?

Posted by: champ at September 21, 2007 6:31 PM

I wonder how many of the faculty, staff and students in attendance at the lecture by the modern-day Socrates will be wearing the delightfully trendy social-justice-statement kaffiyeh?

Posted by: Josephine at September 21, 2007 6:35 PM

I hope Ahmedinejad picks up a New York State driver's license while he's in town.

It would look good framed in his office.

Posted by: pez at September 21, 2007 6:35 PM

Ol' "A MIGHTY NUT JOB" Ahmadinejad is a criminal in more ways than one.

On the one hand, he brazenly conspires to commit mass homicide through attacking Israel and America with nuclear-armed missiles (note: we said ATTACK HERE--he is NOT defending anything in this course of conduct). Then, in 1979, Ahmadinejad participated in (if not masterminded) the abduction of dozens of US citizens at the US Embassy in Teheran and is implicated in one or more related homicides.

That is technically enough for the US government to issue a warrant for his arrest. It is also enough for the anti-American left here and abroad to lionize, eulogize and enshrine him.

If Bush had any sense he'd have this SOB arrested as soon as he set foot on US territory. But of course as we all know he's going to wimp out--and ditto for his administration.

Posted by: pythagoras at September 21, 2007 6:46 PM

sublimer:

Ahmadinejad has already OPENLY THREATENED TO attack the USA and massacre American people in the process. There is even news footage of him doing this. He knows what he did (and WE know what he did). It is that simple.

Iran's Mullah-run government is ALREADY responsible for literally dozens of ATTACKS on the US and its citizenry which is has been doing since the 1970s (with Hizbollah guerillas often fronting for them). It is therefore Iran that declared war on America.

It IS that simple. IT'S CALLED JIHAD!

And we Americans are going to make Iran's Mullahs rue the day they decided to 'jihad' us.

Don't bother replying to me. I won't read it-- I already know the score.

Posted by: pythagoras at September 21, 2007 6:56 PM

Weekly Jihad Report Sept. 8 – Sept 14

Jihad attacks- 60
Dead bodies -332
Critically Injured-540

I wonder if any honorable Muslims from sublime’s
“Wonderful list of Muslims doing positive things list”
have ever been involved in terror.

Never can tell even with an honorable professions like a
doctor or an engineer the Muslim can still be doing the Jihad thing
following Mo.

The recent arrest of a med students in UK and USA and the
“Good old boy” engineer students in Florida attest to the fact that
you can’t tell the books by their covers.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018135.php

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018064.php

Posted by: Joe Schmoe USA at September 21, 2007 7:00 PM

He can't now...the visa's been granted.
Besides, the munchkin isn't the ultimate authority there...the ayatollah is-he's just their mouthpiece.

As for that re-education camp masquerading as a university, such actions on their part, as well as the violently militant kooks on campus (that only prefer their peers and heroes like noam chomsky to spew their babble, and go nuts when someone trying to protect our borders tries to speak reality) prove David Horowitz and his main point of issue right.

The best way to hit commie U where it hurts is to cut their funding if that scumbag sets foot on campus...but since chuckie & HITlery run interference for them, not much chance of that happening...
...so next best thing is let him spew his psychobabble, and continue to enrage the public even more so...it tends to light a fire under the asses of the fence-riding complacent ones, and make our point ever more so FOR us, saving us the trouble of speaking until we're blue in the face.

Posted by: jcom972 at September 21, 2007 7:07 PM

Tomato Fest. Help Ineedajob understand the reasons why.

Posted by: flowerknife_us at September 21, 2007 7:10 PM

I said it earlier today, and I'll say it again:

"I love tomatoes!"

Posted by: Kay at September 21, 2007 7:15 PM

I nabi ZK now set the record straight. Period. No revisions and no errors. The pure unadulterated truth. Get it while it's hot. This is nabi ZK's final word on the notion that mohametans made important contributions to Optics and that they 'invented Algebra'.

Word: (nabi ZK now speaks...er, types)

It is well known that Archemedes proposed using reflected light focused on the sails of incoming ships to set them on fire. I suggest that he had an understanding of Geometric Optics and "burning mirrors".

Anyone who places a stick into a stream will observe refraction. Persons attempting to spear fish from above the surface of the water will learn to make corrections for this. So simple even a cave man can do it. It's nice to comment on such a phenomenon if that is the best you can do. I give credit for that. I really do. But "Snell's Law" is a precise mathematical description and not poetry or paleolithic fishing tips. It was not expounded by mohametans. They didn't have the tools to express themselves in this manner.

As far as "calculating the shapes of lenses" is concerned. Those lenses would have spherical surfaces. Not much to calculate there. Does sound impressive tho'.

Did the mohametans use optical instruments like the telescope or microscope? (Compound Optics) Microscope is for sure western and the first use of a telescope for Astronomy, as opposed to "spy glass", is western.

I did once visit a Moorish Castle in Spain, where the dude had an alarm clock consisting of a toy cannon and a lens mounted on a movable piece. At the appointed time the suns rays would set off the cannon. I thought it was pretty cool at the time. Not a Scientific instrument tho'. I think our friend has failed to mention that mohametans invented the alarm clock!

The invention of Algorithm and Algebra...

Please. the invention of algorithm? The invention of 'using a standard recipie or prescription to solve a standard problem'? Puhleeeze... For example the "Sieve of Eratosthenes" is an algorithm for determining the set of prime numbers. If memory serves me correctly this does predate mohametanism by a thousand years or so.

Diophantus of Alexandria is credited with finding solutions of equations of the form ax+by=c, where all quantities are supposed to be whole numbers. I suggest that this is Algebra.

What has come from the Arabs in these cases is not the subject itself but the name of the subject. Not to take anything from al-qwarizmi. By all accounts he was a talented mathematician. But invent the algorithm? What does that even mean? Similarly al jabar. It's an arabic word. But Diophantus and many many others were earlier users of Algebra.

Wiki is a good place to start but no place to wind up.

nabi ZK

...and the nabified one was heard to say: "he's probably banned from replying so this is a bit of a sucker punch :) ...

Posted by: zonie kafir at September 21, 2007 7:41 PM

If you're going to throw anything (and I don't endorse such things that have little effect in the end) at least make it a raw pork chop, or at least cheap stuff like spare ribs...no sense hurling something that is worth spending a lot of money over.
Make it cheap pork at that, then
"see mahmoud run!"

Posted by: jcom972 at September 21, 2007 7:45 PM

I received another email from The Israel Project.

More protest rallies are planned.

Sunday:

"At 12:30 p.m. Sunday, New York City Council Member David I. Weprin (D-Hollis), chair of the New York City Council Finance Committee, will join other elected officials, community groups and civic leaders to protest Ahmadinejad's visit and urge Columbia to rescind its invitation. The rally is to take place at Columbia's main gate at W. 116th St. and Broadway."

Monday #1:

"On Monday, the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations and the Jewish Community Relations Council of New York are sponsoring a rally at 12 p.m. (rain or shine) at Dag Hammarskjold Plaza, 2nd Ave. at 47th St., across the street from the United Nations.

"One of the speakers at the "National Rally to Stop Iran Now" is Debra Burlingame, sister of Charles F. "Chic" Burlingame, III, (Capt., USNR, Ret.), pilot of American Airlines Flight 77 that crashed into the Pentagon on 9/11. She is co-founder of 9/11 Families for a Safe and Strong America and a director of the World Trade Center Memorial Foundation. Burlingame can be reached at 914-844-3146 or db@911familiesforamerica.org. The rally is being held in cooperation with the United Jewish Communities, the UJA-Federation of New York and the Jewish Council for Public Affairs. For more information, contact the Conference of Presidents at 212-318-6111 or info@conferenceofpresidents.org or the JCRC at 212-983-4800, ext. 161 or info@jcrcny.org ."

Monday #2:

"Also on Monday, students from Columbia and other universities incuding Rutgers, Brooklyn College and Queens College as well as high school students, are scheduled to join together from 1-3 p.m. to protest Ahmadinejad's speech to students and faculty. Ahmadinejad's address is scheduled for 1-2:30 p.m. at Lerner Hall, located at W. 116th St. and Broadway. The students will join activists from dozens of Jewish organizations including StandWithUs, Hasbara Fellowships and The David Project, at W. 116th St. and Broadway."

Posted by: Josephine at September 21, 2007 8:38 PM

I tell you if the devil has a face, Ahmadinejad
face would be it.

Posted by: Joe Schmoe USA at September 21, 2007 8:49 PM

"Wiki is a good place to start but no place to wind up." -- Posted by: zonie kafir

Oh, how I wish I had said that!

Posted by: Josephine at September 21, 2007 8:52 PM

Stop Ahmadinejad From Speaking
At Columbia University !!!

Join American Congress for Truth as we fight to stop this outrage!

Sign the petition and e-mail the link to others;

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Posted by: Joe Schmoe USA at September 21, 2007 8:58 PM

God is he ugly.

http://patdollard.com/wp-content/uploads/ahmadinejad.jpg

Posted by: Joe Schmoe USA at September 21, 2007 9:05 PM

I just don’t get it,

Mitt Romney says the beast should not be allowed to address the U.N and Columbia wants him.

By GLEN JOHNSON Associated Press Writer
BOSTON Sep 17, 2007 (AP)

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad should not be allowed to address the U.N. General Assembly next week, but instead should be greeted "with an indictment under the Genocide Convention," Republican presidential contender Mitt Romney said Monday

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=3613052

Posted by: Joe Schmoe USA at September 21, 2007 9:21 PM

It's called "birds of a feather".

Posted by: jcom972 at September 21, 2007 9:28 PM

I heard a former Navy Vet say tonight that allowing A-Mad-Jihad to speak at Columbia was like inviting Hitler to speak during WWII here in the United States.

Our distaste for this should be 1000 fold from that - honor has been removed from the halls of Columbia.

You cannot be an American Patriot and be against this war.

"Are you questioning my Patriotism?"

No, I'm outright saying to your face - YOU ARE NOT AN AMERICAN PATRIOT - rescind your citizenship and get the hell out of this nation.

Posted by: Scooter526 at September 21, 2007 9:48 PM

I have excitably vile feelings for this scumbag but I think he should speak. Like a cockaroach he does not take well to light.

Columbia intends to put in his face the murderous things he said along with ample time to question him. This the scumbag agreed to and according to the release below President Bollinger intends to grill him. Hopefully, there will be two or three students still left at Columbia with an open mind who won't let him off the hook (possibly an Iranian exile whose family and friends were murdered by Khomeni's henchmen). Many of these Iranians appeared in Boston when the other ex- tyrant, Katima, spoke at Harvard.

Thankfully, many people will make it known that he is there. I hate censorship more than I hate Columbia but hope the rat is exposed and Cloumbia, seeking truth, will expose this filthy liar and his filthy religious beliefs.

Sept. 19, 2007

On Monday, September 24, the President of the Islamic Republic of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, is scheduled to appear as a speaker on campus. The event is sponsored by the School of International and Public Affairs (see SIPA announcement), which has been in contact with the Iranian Mission to the United Nations. The event will be part of the annual World Leaders Forum, the University-wide initiative intended to further Columbia’s longstanding tradition of serving as a major forum for robust debate, especially on global issues.

In order to have such a University-wide forum, we have insisted that a number of conditions be met, first and foremost that President Ahmadinejad agree to divide his time evenly between delivering remarks and responding to audience questions. I also wanted to be sure the Iranians understood that I would myself introduce the event with a series of sharp challenges to the president on issues including:

the Iranian president’s denial of the Holocaust;
his public call for the destruction of the State of Israel;
his reported support for international terrorism that targets innocent civilians and American troops;
Iran's pursuit of nuclear ambitions in opposition to international sanction;
his government's widely documented suppression of civil society and particularly of women's rights; and
his government's imprisoning of journalists and scholars, including one of Columbia’s own alumni, Dr. Kian Tajbakhsh (see President Bollinger's statement on Dr. Kian Tajbakhsh's release).
I would like to add a few comments on the principles that underlie this event. Columbia, as a community dedicated to learning and scholarship, is committed to confronting ideas—to understand the world as it is and as it might be. To fulfill this mission we must respect and defend the rights of our schools, our deans and our faculty to create programming for academic purposes. Necessarily, on occasion this will bring us into contact with beliefs many, most or even all of us will find offensive and even odious. We trust our community, including our students, to be fully capable of dealing with these occasions, through the powers of dialogue and reason.

I would also like to invoke a major theme in the development of freedom of speech as a central value in our society. It should never be thought that merely to listen to ideas we deplore in any way implies our endorsement of those ideas, or the weakness of our resolve to resist those ideas or our naiveté about the very real dangers inherent in such ideas. It is a critical premise of freedom of speech that we do not honor the dishonorable when we open the public forum to their voices. To hold otherwise would make vigorous debate impossible.

That such a forum could not take place on a university campus in Iran today sharpens the point of what we do here. To commit oneself to a life—and a civil society—prepared to examine critically all ideas arises from a deep faith in the myriad benefits of a long-term process of meeting bad beliefs with better beliefs and hateful words with wiser words. That faith in freedom has always been and remains today our nation’s most potent weapon against repressive regimes everywhere in the world. This is America at its best.

© Columbia Universi

Posted by: Briars at September 21, 2007 10:04 PM

Time to get out the shovels...again.
lol

Posted by: jcom972 at September 21, 2007 10:17 PM

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad will come to New York. He will appear at various venues. He will make a complete ass of himself.

His fellow complete asses will hail his trip as a triumphant sojourn in the land of the infidel.

That is a prediction.

It is my hope that my fellow Americans will treat his presence with quiet (and peaceful, but not passive)contempt and that he leaves this country with the impression that he has bitten off much more than he can chew.

That's a hope, not a prediction.

Posted by: USBeast at September 21, 2007 10:18 PM

As far as I'm concerned, the Neandertahls at Columbia are perfectly entitled to invite another Neanderthal to address them.

A blown Homo Sapien speaker would be completely out of place addressing an assembly of Professors and students at Columbia.

Posted by: rational at September 21, 2007 10:36 PM

As far as I'm concerned, the Neandertahls at Columbia are perfectly entitled to invite another Neanderthal to address them.

A full blown Homo Sapien speaker would be completely out of place addressing an assembly of Professors and students at Columbia.

Posted by: rational at September 21, 2007 10:38 PM

That's an insult to neandethals everywhere, as even they're more classy & smarter than this wad of snot pockets.
(/sarc)

lol

Posted by: jcom972 at September 21, 2007 10:44 PM

Ah, I got it!

let's "welcome him"...
to ISLAMOFASCISM AWARENESS WEEK!
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=5EC88545-3022-47F9-8213-38314CCA6F09
Let's see just how quickly his "invitation" is "suddenly and inexplicably" turned down!

LMAO

Posted by: jcom972 at September 21, 2007 11:01 PM

Wow, 254 comments so far. That must be a record. So many I could not look at all of them, so I may be repeating an idea a friend suggested:

Arrest Mr. A and throw him in jail for 444 days incognito. Let his keepers be rotated from the 79 still living survivors of the taking of our embassy in 1979.

Sounds good to me!

Posted by: Jimmy Bones at September 22, 2007 12:57 AM

Our embassy in Dubai recently turned two Iranian heros who applied for political asylum back to the islao-thugs; they were immediately executed.

Was that decision made by a Shi'ite employee of the embassy or an American nutball? Anybody know? How can we have such morons representing us?

Posted by: Jimmy Bones at September 22, 2007 1:11 AM

Do you have a link/source on this?
If true, we should get a comment from our Embassy in the UAE:
chief of mission: Ambassador Michele J. SISON
embassy: Embassies District, Plot 38 Sector W59-02, Street No. 4, Abu Dhabi
mailing address: P. O. Box 4009, Abu Dhabi
telephone: [971] (2) 414-2200
FAX: [971] (2) 414-2603
consulate(s) general: Dubai

Posted by: jcom972 at September 22, 2007 2:47 AM

Muslims Against Sharia condemn, in the strongest possible terms, the decision of Columbia University to provide a speaking venue for Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Apparently letting Akbar Rafsanjani speak at the National Cathedral was not the height of American Dhimmitude, because providing a venue for the world's foremost anti-Semite, whose proclaimed goal is the destruction of the USA and Israel, definitely takes the cake. What is surprising is that we don't hear any complaints from Columbia alumni who should be ashamed of their silence.

More on the subject: Why Does Columbia host Ahmadinejad?

Posted by: Muslims Against Sharia at September 22, 2007 3:21 AM

Ok, I'll bite...simple question.

Do you reject the practice of taqqiyah?
(While I prefer not to sound confrontational, I'm sure you understand that trust is a little fragile at this point).

Posted by: jcom972 at September 22, 2007 4:01 AM

MarisolJW,

By the look of things, this one thread has been "hijacked" by a certain poster.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at September 22, 2007 10:44 AM

Our embassy in Dubai recently turned two Iranian heros who applied for political asylum back to the islao-thugs; they were immediately executed.

Was that decision made by a Shi'ite employee of the embassy or an American nutball? Anybody know? How can we have such morons representing us?

Posted by: Jimmy Bones at September 22, 2007 1:11 AM
Do you have a link/source on this?
If true, we should get a comment from our Embassy in the UAE:
chief of mission: Ambassador Michele J. SISON
embassy: Embassies District, Plot 38 Sector W59-02, Street No. 4, Abu Dhabi
mailing address: P. O. Box 4009, Abu Dhabi
telephone: [971] (2) 414-2200
FAX: [971] (2) 414-2603
consulate(s) general: Dubai

Posted by: jcom972

The US Embassy in Dubai recently handed over to the Islamic authorities two of the bravest sons and heroes of Iran, Majid Kavousifar, 28, and his nephew, Hossein Kavousifar, 24, who were hanged for the alleged murder of a Islamic terrorist judge, Hassan Moghaddas.

FOXNEWS.COM HOME > WORLD has photos of their hanging...august 02 2007...

.....treachery.....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at September 22, 2007 10:46 AM

sublimer,

Would it suprise you that in truth, it was not the Muslims but rather the Irish who saved the west. There is a book that came out about 12 years ago called "How The Irish Saved The West". The Muslims were johnnies-come-lately when it came to preserving the ancient stuff of the Greeks and Romans.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at September 22, 2007 10:56 AM

sublimer,

"The cartoon reminds me of another time and another epoch. Look at Ahmadinedjad. Tiny, week beggar with a crooked nose. The American cop is a huge muscular Aryan. Does anyone see the similarities with Nazi cartoons? You people are on a slippery slope to a genocidal mentality that will soon condone the practice of concentration camps and mass annihilation (well some of you - considering the posts you write - are already there). But I hope you wake up from your slumber and prove to be more intelligent than the Germans who followed Hitler."

Could it be because the police officer shown as being larger means that the police officer is the good character here, the one that is says "NO" to terrorists and other islamofacists of the world? It shows that Americans are not going to have sites they hold dear treated in a disrespectful manner. That cartoon is a good commentary on just "saying NO" to Iran's thug-and-chief.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at September 22, 2007 11:07 AM

Josephine sez:
Have you seen Cox & Forkum's brilliant cartoon about this?

I love it, Josephine! Thanks for posting that. Can't you just see Armandhandjob defying the NYC cop's orders to stay the hell away from Ground Zero? The little twerp would find himself swallowing sewage in a NYC minute! Great cartoon; keep 'em coming.

Posted by: hardball at September 22, 2007 12:01 PM

Sublimer, is that name of yours supposed to signify that you will cause us "infidels" to become sublime? The use of the name, in this case, is in verb tense, that's why I ask. If that's the case, I've got a bridge that crosses New York's East River that I'd like to sell to you. While we're at it, I'll even throw in the Uncivilized Nations (UN) building, at a bargain: just take it for free. Deal?

Posted by: hardball at September 22, 2007 12:13 PM

....and our government continues to admit thousands of Sublimers into the country...

great treachery.....

...Ban Muslim Immigration...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at September 22, 2007 12:49 PM

What I like about the article is that Derb gave a shout-out to George MacDonald Fraser's Flashman novels. They are my favorite series of novels, so the more publicity, the better!

The first one takes place in Afganistan, and as I remember--it's been awhile--the Muslims are fierce fighters, and frighten Flashman out of his wits (of course).

Posted by: Mo Foe at September 22, 2007 1:52 PM

hardball -- You're most welcome. ; )

It would be bad for the U.S. if DinnerJacket was harmed in any way in America. As much as they might hate him (and justifiably so), the security personnel would be duty-bound to protect him.

And we have to ask ourselves if eliminating DinnerJacket on U.S. soil would change Islamic jihad or the way Iran is run in any way. Since the real bosses are the supreme Ayatoldya what's-his-name and his top-dog mullahs, I think not. I think it would serve as a handy pretext for Iran to attack the U.S.

DinnerJacket knows this. It seems to me that this is a double slap in the face to Americans: he'll spew his lying double-talk while loyal Americans are forced to protect him.

Posted by: Josephine at September 22, 2007 2:10 PM

I always like the C an F political cartoons. They are picture commetaries.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at September 22, 2007 2:31 PM

"he'll spew his lying double-talk while loyal Americans are forced to protect him"....precisely!

Which answers my question as to why we're doing yet ANOTHER interview with Mr. 2-Faced on 60 Minutes. Thank you, Josephine, for inadvertently answering my question, because interviewing him again didn't make sense to me until now.

Posted by: champ at September 22, 2007 2:49 PM

I still believe that given the un-Islamic nature of laying flowers and wreaths on graves and memorials, there is a more sinister reason for Ahmadinijad's desire to visit the graveyard. Most likely, this area still has near microscopic remains of he dead mixed with the soil. Indeed, It is hallowed ground that we cannot allow to be desecrated by a Muslim killer.

Let me add this. It must be horribly frustating to be cut off from commenting at JW/DW. Realizing that you cannot reply to all these negative comments; the banned commenter is in a Hell of sorts. Cool, huh?

Posted by: Pelayo at September 22, 2007 3:48 PM

Well, I think we can all agree in the end on one thing...

Though we'd love to see the munchkins brains splattered all over west blvd & church street on worldwide TV (ok, at least some of us), we're also rational enough to know such a thing would set a dangerous tit-for-tat precedent, & just be happy if he went to the Useless Numbnuts (UN) meeting of equally useless talking heads, regurgitated his usual pahblum spew, and promptly got back on the plane for that hellhole he calls home.

As for "60 minutes" interview, hell that's no surprise, it's part of the commie-Caliphate Broadcasting System (CBS), home of katie koran, so it's no surprise they're going to let the little munchkin puke his pahblum there, too...it serves both of their causes against their mutual enemy.
("the enemy of my enemy" crap yet again).
Same for that re-education camp known as columbia, birds of a feather ya know...what else is new, since now a study's out that proves what we normal, rational folks have suspected all along...
those same institutions of higher stupidity turn out kids who are actually more stupid as seniors than they were as freshmen!
http://www.nysun.com/article/62901
Talk about a waste of tax dollars!
"soppurt pubik skrewelz!"
LOL

Posted by: jcom972 at September 22, 2007 4:41 PM

Josephine sez:
...DinnerJacket knows this. It seems to me that this is a double slap in the face to Americans: he'll spew his lying double-talk while loyal Americans are forced to protect him.

You're right, Josephine: It is a double slap in the face in the face to all of us. I'd like to ask the little clown, when he's through slandering the United States to the Useless Nations (UN), should we ever need to officially address some group in his nation, would we be permitted to slander him, his people, his nation's motives...I wonder how that would go over; probably like a lead balloon.

Posted by: hardball at September 22, 2007 4:50 PM

Giving Imyourenemy a platform to speak at Columbia University is a NATIONAL DISGRACE, and Lee Bollinger should be run out of town and shipped off to Iran to live with his new found friendzzzz.

Posted by: champ at September 22, 2007 5:36 PM

By letting "it" speak gives us more proof -- more clarity that Iminsane is an evil mad man? Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.

He's clearly making a mockery of our freedom of speech.

Posted by: champ at September 22, 2007 5:55 PM

The biggest laugh of all, this bollinger asshat claims that the munckin will be confronted with "hard questions"...OH PUHLEASE!!!
The only ones NOT choreographed by the thugs-in-charge at that re-education camp are met with thug wannabe brownshirts like those encountered by the Minuteman conference...a really BIG clue.
Hell will freeze over before that will ever happen, as his "orchestra" has NEVER pushed hardball questions against memebers of their Unholy Alliance...never have, and never will.
What BS!
LOL

Posted by: jcom972 at September 22, 2007 8:02 PM

champ -- The first 60 Minutes interview was a disaster. Someone suggested (here or on LGF) that they'd like to see him interviewed by Christopher Hitchens. DinnerJacket would lose his cool for sure.

hardball -- DinnerJacket's sense of superiority comes over loud and clear. I don't know how anyone can stand in his presence and not be chilled to the bone: in my opinion, he is not a madman, he is a sociopath.

Posted by: Josephine at September 22, 2007 8:03 PM

The only thing I'd like to see him interviewed by is a waterboard...but that aside...
more on the moron at the reeducation camp masquerading as a university.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxmEGsOkEVc
Gee...let's not stop there, let's just invite SATAN to speak, after all "freedom of speech", right?
Total moronathon.

Let's get this bunch something special, and important...LIKE A CLUE.

Posted by: jcom972 at September 22, 2007 8:18 PM

It's the nose that bothers me. His nose looks Jewish. I personally think he's a closet Jew. Maybe he's coming here for asylum. We could always give him a suite at Guantanamo.

Posted by: imamerican at September 22, 2007 8:27 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if someone makes an assassination attempt on Imacrazymaker. Stay tuned!

Posted by: champ at September 22, 2007 10:33 PM

jcom972,
“Do you reject the practice of taqqiyah?” – that’s a silly question. The answer would be “yes” either way. Look at our site, www.reformislam.org, and decide for yourself.

Posted by: Muslims Against Sharia at September 23, 2007 12:58 AM

That's all I needed to know..."yes".
Excellent.

Keep in mind, that whenever we ask that of many that come here who are practicing Muslims, they go off on some tangent with a mile-long monologue and never answer the question, which almost always means a "no" answer...a real headache at times, and tells me whether or not it's worth even discussing anything with them.

Yes, it's a silly question to you and me, but sad to say, it is necessary to screen.
I'm terribly sorry for having to do that.
With that, I bid you welcome, and look forward to your takes in the future...and if I may be so bold, (I learned it from a friend I actually took a bullet for once)...
"May you gain for yourself that which you wish for others"
(He also told me if I ever spoke it, you would know what it represents)
Thanks.

Posted by: jcom972 at September 23, 2007 1:55 AM

Oops...Just realized my previous comment was meant for another thread!

But, just talking to a group of friends, they couldn't believe the US would allow him on our soil. Frankly I still can't.

Posted by: Mo Foe at September 23, 2007 5:24 AM

hardball -- DinnerJacket's sense of superiority comes over loud and clear. I don't know how anyone can stand in his presence and not be chilled to the bone: in my opinion, he is not a madman, he is a sociopath.

I agree wholeheartedly, Josephine; have you ever noticed that idiotic look of superiority on his mug when his face is published in the paper? It's really disheartening that Columbia University in New York City has invited him for a talk, and that he will be addressing, via t.v., from the Uncivilized Nations (UN) building, the National Press Club in Washington, D.C. I understand that only select members of the Press will be addressing questions him at him; sure: only the representatives of every liberal, leftist, deviant Press Corps. I wouldn't be surprised if Lady Clinton was invited....

Posted by: hardball at September 23, 2007 6:06 PM

Well, well...
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297748,00.html
...looks like there-education camp masquerading as a university got rightfully and long-overdue pegged for the selective "free-speech" hypocrisy, and is in the process of withdrawing their "invitation but only under heavy and rightfully deserved fire over their hypocrisy over banning far less.
Even traditional NY liberals saw this outrage for what it was, so there is hope for America yet.

Well done, everyone...

Posted by: jcom972 at September 23, 2007 10:14 PM