"The Iranian president, in an interview to air Sunday on "60 Minutes," indicated he would not press the issue. "I won't insist," Ahmadinejad said, although he expressed disbelief that the visit would offend Americans. "

.....Perhaps he could tour Walter Reed Hospital and see what Iranian IEDs do to Americans...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at September 21, 2007 8:30 AM

The idea of Ahmadinejad as an honored guest anywhere in the Western World is offensive to me, and should be offensive to all of us.

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at September 21, 2007 8:30 AM

I fine is highly offensive that we'd allow Ahmadinejad to set foot on our soil.

As far as I'm concerned, it'd be fine with me if Pres. Tom's airplane had a severe mechanical malfunction somewhere over the mid Atlantic and he never arrived in NYC.

Posted by: livefreeordie! at September 21, 2007 8:39 AM

Could it be that the Iranians got the message that the GZ site may end up having a gathering of certain people wearing blue and it could be possible that President Nutjob of Iran took a look at the video of the University of Florida student that had been tassered by the campus police this past Monday at a Sen John Kerry talk. Maybe, just maybe President Nutjob got it into his head that the NYPD and the Port Authority Police are going to have tassers on them in order to send a message that he is not welcomed.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at September 21, 2007 8:47 AM

...Or it could be possible that the Secret Service warned President Nutjob directly not to mess with the NYPD and the PA Police.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at September 21, 2007 8:52 AM

Last night Jay Leno spoke in his monologue about ImANutJob wanting to go to ground zero and then proposed: 'why can't we take ground zero to him?' LOL.

Posted by: sounder at September 21, 2007 8:56 AM

I wonder if he will be asked tought or softball questions

Posted by: Elric66 at September 21, 2007 9:04 AM

Alternatively, one could argue that if President Ahmadinejad were allowed to speak at Columbia University and visit Ground Zero, Americans could rightly claim that they honouring the man's universal right to freedom of speech.

By giving Ahmadinejad, a sworn enemy of the US government, this right, the Americans are elevating principles over politics.

But would the Iranian government return the compliment and allow George Bush to make speeches and travel to their most sacred sites - and pay to protect him? I doubt it. Also, would Muslims be happy if Bush and his entourage went on a tour of Mecca?

That said, US taxpayers have every reason to ask why they are being forced to fund the cost of hospitality for, and the protection of, this loathsome man. I hope Americans give him a suitably hostile welcome.

Posted by: A Nonny Nonny at September 21, 2007 9:04 AM

Well, if he is allowed into the US, that might be the perfect time to start hitting bases inside Iran that train and supply the jihadis in Iraq. Imagine, at the very moment that the nutty "president" was addressing the UN, the US would be bombing his territory. I know, it is way too much to hope for from the Bush admin. Too bad, really.

Posted by: Minority of One at September 21, 2007 9:09 AM

I posted a story with a link...and I was deleted?.

Posted by: storagemanager at September 21, 2007 9:14 AM

I just can't believe that any American institution would invite that evil little man as a guest.

Even if students are allowed to ask real questions, DinnerJacket won't answer them honestly. He's a snake and a liar. There won't be an "exchange of ideas". Socrates will speak, the audience will be in awe of his brilliance and mesmerized by his eerie, glowing countenance and that's that.

His supposed disbelief at outrage over his proposed visit to Ground Zero is a sham. He knows why it would bother people and that's why he wants to go. He wants to rub it in America's face.

I wonder how university students in Iran feel about this sucking up to their tyrannical president.

All of the intellectuals, the elite, who say they're on the side of freedom: this is who they welcome? While, back in Iran, citizens are oppressed and university students are harrassed and murdered.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3879535.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6196069.stm

Posted by: Josephine at September 21, 2007 9:14 AM

I need more coffee...please forget what i just posted.

Posted by: storagemanager at September 21, 2007 9:17 AM

"I expect he will find a peaceful but hostile reception at the site of the handiwork of his fellow mujahedin."

Fellow Mujahedeen ? Now, please explain to me how the 911 terrorists are friends with Ahmadinedjad. Don't you know that they are Sunnis and he is a Shi'a ? You purport throughout your website that these two sects hate each and hated each other since the beginning of Islam, so why are you lumping them together now. Is it just another lie to boil the hate of your commentators ? Or are you lumping - as any racist would do - Muslims in one homogeneous group.

If you are really any educated in Islam, please stop lying to your commentators. You very well know that the sunni extremists like al-qaeda hate the shia more than they hate the Americans. But you only say that when it serves your purpose. If the purpose and the day is different, you lump them all together. Academic fickleness is not serious. It is propaganda.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 9:29 AM

nice try, sublimer

Posted by: Minority of One at September 21, 2007 9:37 AM

instead of saying nice try, try to disprove what i just said.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 9:45 AM

Have you seen Cox & Forkum's brilliant cartoon about this?

http://www.coxandforkum.com/

Posted by: Josephine at September 21, 2007 9:47 AM

The cartoon reminds me of another time and another epoch. Look at Ahmadinedjad. Tiny, week beggar with a crooked nose. The American cop is a huge muscular Aryan. Does anyone see the similarities with Nazi cartoons? You people are on a slippery slope to a genocidal mentality that will soon condone the practice of concentration camps and mass annihilation (well some of you - considering the posts you write - are already there). But I hope you wake up from your slumber and prove to be more intelligent than the Germans who followed Hitler.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 9:55 AM

sublimer,

how about the fact that iran provides supplies to sunni jihadis in iraq?

how about the fact that bin laden's offsrping take refiuge in iran?

those are just 2 examples.

now, i fully expect you will deny those facts, as per the jihadi orthodoxy.

and this conversation is over. enjoy your day.

Posted by: Minority of One at September 21, 2007 9:56 AM

"Last night Jay Leno spoke in his monologue about ImANutJob wanting to go to ground zero and then proposed: 'why can't we take ground zero to him?' LOL."

Yes indeed. Not the Iranian people in general, but the prez himself, and his henchmen. And of course his nukes to be.

Posted by: alexon at September 21, 2007 9:59 AM

....there may be some differences between Al-Qaeda and the Shi-ites...

"But these differences were minor compared to the biggest things they have in common - their desire to hit at the US."

....they are brothers in arms....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at September 21, 2007 10:01 AM

funny, the cop in the c and f cartoon looks italian to me.

Posted by: Minority of One at September 21, 2007 10:02 AM

Greetings sublimer

I, nabi ZK, nabi to the mohametan trolls, wise, munificent, etc., etc., have thought long and hard about this very concept.

It seems that the al Q people have shia overtones in their program, even though they are suni, as you say. For example, their obsession with the black flags out of kurrasan. Consider also their veneration of Ali. He killed Jews and that is more important to them than the "split".

Did it occur to you that zarqawi may have been killed by al Q, outed by his own organization, because he wanted to stir the suni shia pot. zawahiri repeatedly asked him to quit it. Also al Q big turbans are known to be sheltered in iran, a predominantly shia country.

I would not make blanket generalizations about suni shia hatred or any other aspects of mohametanism.

nabi ZK

....and if what I said is true it is from me and if it is falsehood I claim no responsibility since that would, like, probably be someone else's fault. OK

...believe it or die

Posted by: zonie kafir at September 21, 2007 10:08 AM

sublimer,

I'm not sure what you think you are more sublime than. Perhaps you could enlighten us?

Personally, I think the Cox and Forkum rendition of the monkey man is bang on.

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at September 21, 2007 10:08 AM

exsgtbrown,

read al zarqawi's letter to ben laden. You have no idea what you're talking about.

....there may be some differences between Al-Qaeda and the Shi-ites...

Only some differences ? One day it's the Alpha and the Omega, and now it's just some ?

Minority of One,

"now, i fully expect you will deny those facts, as per the jihadi orthodoxy.

and this conversation is over. enjoy your day. "

Nice way to end the conversation. Run away if you will. When it comes to wars you are not personally fighting, you are all Mr. Warrior, but if its a conversation where you need to use some logic, you cut and run.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 10:09 AM

The perfect irony would be if the students at Columbia stormed the stage, took Dinnerjacket hostage, held him for 444 days, threatened his life every day with mock exectuions, etc...

Of course, Columbia students would only do that to the Minuteman leader, someone who is protecting America, not to Dinnerjacket, who wants to destroy America.

Posted by: kutabeach at September 21, 2007 10:12 AM

zonie kafir,

Whence are you writing from ? More importantly I should ask what time are you writing from ? Your language (use of mahometanism) indicates you desire to live in the middle ages. If you are going to use "Dungeons and Dragons" knowledge to analyze the situation in the Iraq, you will not fare well. I mean saying,
"Did it occur to you that zarqawi may have been killed by al Q, outed by his own organization, because he wanted to stir the suni shia pot." is tantamount to idiocy. You have just proved to me that you know nothing about the Al Qaeda playbook.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 10:15 AM

ImnoDhimmi,

"I'm not sure what you think you are more sublime than. Perhaps you could enlighten us?"

I can sure enlighten you since you seem to be remarkably deficient in the English language.

Sublimer is not a comparative. The comparative is "more sublime".

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 10:18 AM

sublimer

I, nabi ZK, whose many accolades have been mentioned here in the past, by me mostly but you get the idea, would like to point out that zarqawi's letter to the big turbans was that of a subordinate to his superiors. He wanted to push the suni shia thing in Iraq as a tactical move. His BOSSES told him to QUIT IT. Let's keep the record straight on that one.

You seem to suggest that because zar-cow-e did this it was al Q policy. No. Likely they killed him because he was out of line. A bit of a Co. Kurtz in his own way. Needed to be taken care of.

nabi ZK

...believe it or be killed in nasty ways

Posted by: zonie kafir at September 21, 2007 10:23 AM

Zonie kafir,

Wouldn't you give the American army some credit ? You do not believe that they killed him or do you believe that all what they say are lies ?

May your death be slow and painful.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 10:27 AM

sublimer

Do not contradict the nabi. mohametanism because they worship mohamet. I have nothing to prove one way or the other concerning zarcowe's fate. I only suggest that his strident anti shia actions may have made things uncomfortable for the guests in iran. The al Q policy does not therefore include killing all the shia, at least for the moment.

But I shall not call you names simply because you hold another opinion on this matter.

nabi ZK

...since you have chosen not to believe the words of the nabi you will probably suffer a grievous fate in the next world....

Posted by: zonie kafir at September 21, 2007 10:36 AM

That monkey man has raised such ire by his outrageous posturing bodes well for us.

At Columbia, his reception should be with thrown rotten tomatoes and eggs.

C'mon any of you near Columbia, start stocking up now. It's the worthiest of arrests and a service to your fellow citizens.

Posted by: dgene at September 21, 2007 10:38 AM

sublimer,

I thought YOU were the one who was remarkably deficient in the English language. You will note, I asked you who you thought you were more sublime than, so obviously I know sublimer is incorrect.

About many things, it appears.

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at September 21, 2007 10:39 AM

sublimer

Yes. The US military dropped a bomb on his ass. That is correct.

...your fate is sealed...in the next world you will probably have to wear some kind of derogatory signage around your neck indicating that you did not believe nabi ZK...

Posted by: zonie kafir at September 21, 2007 10:39 AM

"but if its a conversation where you need to use some logic, you cut and run.

Posted by: sublimer"

...I present the truth, you can choose either to accept it or deny it...but like most Muslims you seek to hide the truth...but your veneer is thin and you convince no one....

Ban Muslim Immigration...you do not want these people in your neighborhood...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at September 21, 2007 10:46 AM

Zonie Kafir,

I hope you would stick to one point. So who killed Al-Zarqawi ? was it his peers or the American army. If you contradict yourself in the span of a couple of sentences I wonder how you manage in your daily life.

ImNodhimmi,

If you know that sublimer is not a comparative, then why even ask the question ?

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 10:48 AM

I don’t care what terror sponsoring Columbia says, you are with us or against us. They are against us, they are a threat to our future, our neighborhoods, our cities and our very survival. I am through playing nice with these people just because they happen to be in America. I am not going to look the other way because they want to host hostage takers, death to America chanters. I believe that these people should be executed or more humanely, tossed out of our country. It is like anything else, American citizenship, abuse it and lose it. The university and its property should be confiscated just as they do with drug dealers. You have one of these university people in your neighborhood, you might as well have a serial killer living next to you. Close em down throw em out, before they get your loved ones murdered. Columbia=terror u. Colleges today are a lot like the dysfunctional families that serial killers are brought up in, they are almost identical to warped and deluded atmosphere that has in the past produced people like Manson, Bundy, Dahmer and on and on. Drive them out before they have a chance to contaminate our country even more than they already have. They are a disease, you wouldn’t ignore or support cancer would you?

Posted by: tgusa at September 21, 2007 10:50 AM

Hi Sublimer,
Detect the stink of hauteur and arrogance.
Only Hugh is allowed that here (lol).
More seriously, the footprints of islam are all over the actions of the monkey man, so that determines how he is to be treated.
That you believe his shia credentials change that is an indication of your conceit and, in my view, your blindness.
Yes, and you are willing your own destruction at the hands of the islamists who would destroy you, But then, maybe you would be an excellant dhimmi, cellwife, or slave, and that is what you aspire to.

Posted by: dgene at September 21, 2007 10:56 AM

"So who killed Al-Zarqawi ?"

Posted by: sublimer

....The Americans killed him...his Shi'ite militiamen furnished his location to the Americans...No Loyalty in Islam , I guess...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at September 21, 2007 10:58 AM

sublimer

Not sure why you are having difficulty with this concept. The US military tracked him down and killed him. But I suggest they got help from inside the organization. Someone, who didn't like what he was doing may have let slip some helpful info. Shifting loyalties and all. Seems plausible to me given the program he was on and the imperative to maintain good relations with the iranian hosts. But you may hold another opinion if you wish.

nabi ZK

... If you persist in being unable to grasp the blinding truth of nabi ZK then extra large bold letters will be used on your signage which will add to your disgraceful future condition in the world to come....

Posted by: zonie kafir at September 21, 2007 11:04 AM

....The Americans killed him...his Shi'ite militiamen furnished his location to the Americans...No Loyalty in Islam , I guess...

His Shi'ite militiamen ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Oh dear. exsgtbrown, you have posted many hateful comments here and now you are proving to me why you are so hateful. It is because you are completely ignorant. Ignorance breeds hate indeed. Just so that you don't make the faux pas again, Al Zarqawi is Sunni. I thought that was clear in the correspondence between ZK and me. But you probably don't read anything, not even the posts here. You just jump on your keyboard and ejaculate whatever hate you have to spew.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 11:07 AM

(and one more thing)

Irrelevant it is whether a jihadi is sunni shia or any other toxic variety, the best jihadi is a dead one.

You can take that one to the bank.

Posted by: dgene at September 21, 2007 11:07 AM

that sublimer fellow is a real blast from the past. the 9-10 drivel just keeps flowing. he/she/it better start playing catch-up if he/she/it wishes to partake in a worthwhile conversation. rather late to the game, you poor thing. the kafirs have already heard and rejected all of your talking points.

Posted by: Minority of One at September 21, 2007 11:08 AM

ZK,

When you die, you will have ZK branded on your forehead, but it will stand for Zero Knowledge.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 11:10 AM

"the kafirs have already heard and rejected all of your talking points.

Only idiots refuse to change their minds.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 11:12 AM

(and addended one more thing)

The best jihadi, sunni shia or otherwise, is a dead one.

Why?

Because they are programmed to kill us.

Understand ?

Now you can take it to the bank.

Posted by: dgene at September 21, 2007 11:13 AM

Is that a threat sublimer?

nabi ZK

Posted by: zonie kafir at September 21, 2007 11:14 AM

I am still waiting for Robert Spencer to answer my point.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 11:15 AM

Al Zarqawi is Sunni
Posted by: sublimer

...the Shi-ites still provided his location, just as I stated....it appears they were angry with him as he was killing too many Shi-ites....you might have to go ask them how they knew where he was located....

...in any case, everyone was happy to see him killed...

Ban Muslim Immigration

Posted by: exsgtbrown at September 21, 2007 11:16 AM

I'm sure there a few former/retired Marines who would like to "welcome" Ahmadinejad to NYC or wherever.

Will Columbia be playing John Lennon's Give Peace a Chance in the background as he strolls onto the stage? These students and their faculty, talk about giving a "liberal" education a bad name.

Or even better, Jimmy Carter can welcome him 'cause his idiotic presidency is what brought him and the mullahs to power. Carter should get a real big hug.

Posted by: HOV Dummy at September 21, 2007 11:18 AM

ZK,

It is not a threat, it is how I imagine you in the next world.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 11:19 AM

Al Zarqawi is Sunni
Posted by: sublimer

Was sunni. Was.

nabi ZK

...believe it this time or else...

Posted by: zonie kafir at September 21, 2007 11:19 AM

OK Good. Let's keep it light. OK?

nabi ZK

Posted by: zonie kafir at September 21, 2007 11:21 AM

Al Zaqawi was a terrorist murderous blood thirsty killer. He was neither Sunni nor Shia, nor any other religion I know of. And if a hell exists, may he rot in it.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 11:24 AM

It's always light. You played a tune. I followed. Don't get too paranoid.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 11:25 AM

Al Zaqawi was a terrorist murderous blood thirsty killer.

Finally we agree on something.

nabi ZK

Posted by: zonie kafir at September 21, 2007 11:29 AM

As a famous nabi it's important me to know that my words are believed OR ELSE! NO EXCEPTIONS! Get it!

Nuff said.

nabi ZK

Posted by: zonie kafir at September 21, 2007 11:32 AM

Anybody who kills indiscriminately with no regard for innocent beings is a terrorist. But that definition can be extended to beyond the terrorist stereotype. Indeed a suicide bomber who is ready to kill civilians, children and women is a terrorist but so is an F-16 pilot who is ready to bomb a residential area in the hopes of killing one suspect and so are his superiors who command him to do so.

If it was for me, I would have hoped that the U.S. Iraq conflict could have been settled by a duel between Bush and Saddam.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 11:34 AM

And no use of firearms during the duel. Just fists or plastic knives.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 11:37 AM

But if you remember well, the Iraqis did propose that :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2297371.stm

but Bush refused.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 11:39 AM

The United Nations has many times been a 'glass Trojan Horse' for bringing a pistol-wearing Arafat or Thug in Chief of Iran to our shores.

It is not only the millions it costs us to protect these spirochetes - but the 'head of state dignity' it automatically confers on them "speaking at Columbia', protected motorcades, hand-shakings, journalistic fawning, 'addressing the General Assembly' etc.

The simplest kind of warfare at all is to humiliate, laugh at belittle and fiercely revile the rantings of this maniac. A child could figure this out on the playground.

This man is DIRECTLY killing and maiming AMERICAN TROOPS in ANOTHER COUNTRY.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at September 21, 2007 11:43 AM

Sublimer, listen girl,

you are still full of it.

you suggest that Al Zarqawi was of no religion.

and by implication that islam is good.

islam is an evil ideology.

and the stink of equivalence wafts off you as you presume to live among the gods who know of these things.

good luck with the Dems and the CNN and NYTimes stupids.

Posted by: dgene at September 21, 2007 11:43 AM

...so is an F-16 pilot who is ready to bomb a residential area in the hopes of killing one suspect and so are his superiors who command him to do so...

It is possible that what you say is correct, but as a blanket statement it is false. Intentions matter. The intended target matters. Not to say that the results might not be tragic. Depending on the target such an action might yet be just.

Consider that there were civilians in the area where the z man was taken down. Others were also killed that day. One of his wives died in the attack if I recall correctly. Yet killing him has saved many other innocent lives. Good or bad? You tell me.

nabi ZK

... freelance prognostications since 2006...

Posted by: zonie kafir at September 21, 2007 11:43 AM

sublimer

Ahmadinedjad has called for my death as an American. He called for an Islamic war of aggression against my people. Even though he does not get along with the Sunnis that still does not make him good. You know full well why he wants to visit ground zero!

He wants to rub it in and to spit on our dead and to dance on our pain. As for hate explain to me why he supports hanging teenage girls from the end of cranes for being "immoral"? Why he supports various Islamic jihadis who kill for the spread of Islam? Why he supports Islamic Supremacist? Why he supports the Islamic law code which as we all know is sexist and bigoted?

So as I understand you support a sexist, murdering, Islamic supremacist to visit ground zero?

What does that make you?

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at September 21, 2007 11:46 AM

Zarqawi belonged to the Salafi movement in Sunni Islam.

Posted by: exsgtbrown at September 21, 2007 11:51 AM

I don't know... I would really enjoy watching MadmanJihad getting pelted with rotten tomates.

Oh yeah, that's right. We are too politically correct to do such an ugly Amerian thing.

Would have been great TV watching, though!

Posted by: Kay at September 21, 2007 11:52 AM

"So as I understand you support a sexist, murdering, Islamic supremacist to visit ground zero?

What does that make you?

Posted by: greatcometof1577 "

.....hmmmmm...loser?....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at September 21, 2007 11:53 AM

greatcometof1577,

Please provide me with evidence that Ahmadinedjad has called for an islamic war against the United States. Google it ! He hangs teenage girls for being immoral because he is an idiot, just as George Bush used to execute mentally retarded people in Texas because he is also an idiot.

Who said that I supported Ahmadinedjad ? Please provide proof again. See, my intellectual framework is not as narrow as to only see black and white. If I criticize x, that does not mean I support Y. Only idiots think that way.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 11:55 AM

ZK,

I give you another scenario. An Iraqi suicide bomber has orders to kill an American soldier. He knows that if he detonates the bomb he will also kill many innocent civilians. But then he thinks to himself, maybe if I kill him I will be saving many of my brethren. So is it good or bad. It is the same logic but from the other point of the spectrum.

Plus, I do not even believe in this logic. When you kill civilians collaterally, you just increase the hatred of the local population and fill up the ranks of those that are fighting you. What would a child who lost a mother and a father in a bomb do when he grows up?

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 12:03 PM

Iran's leaders, who back Hezbollah, have also declared their absolute hostility to America. Last October, Iran's President declared in a speech that some people ask -- in his words -- "whether a world without the United States and Zionism can be achieved… I say that this… goal is achievable." Less than three months ago, Iran's President declared to America and other Western powers: "open your eyes and see the fate of pharaoh… if you do not abandon the path of falsehood… your doomed destiny will be annihilation." Less than two months ago, he warned: "The anger of Muslims may reach an explosion point soon. If such a day comes… [America and the West] should know that the waves of the blast will not remain within the boundaries of our region." He also delivered this message to the American people: "If you would like to have good relations with the Iranian nation in the future… bow down before the greatness of the Iranian nation and surrender. If you don't accept [to do this], the Iranian nation will… force you to surrender and bow down."

America will not bow down to tyrants.

***************

http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=8540

I'd say a 'call to surrender' is one way of declaring jihad...

Posted by: Kay at September 21, 2007 12:04 PM

Kay, please fill out the ellipses. This not an episode of the Daily Show for you to be doing montages or collages.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 12:10 PM

Tehran, Iran, Apr. 12 – Iran’s radical President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in a fiery sermon demanded that “Iran’s enemies”, or the West, bow down before Iran and apologize for having held back Tehran’s nuclear program for three years. He also warned the West that it would “burn” in the “fire of the nations’ fury”.

From here:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/010997.php

Posted by: Kay at September 21, 2007 12:10 PM

Or are you lumping - as any racist would do - Muslims in one homogeneous group.

Hmmm, let's see....belief in allah, belief that mo is prophet, hates Jews and Christians, thinks women should be kept hidden in a house or in a Glad Bag® , want to rule the world under islam....YEP

Posted by: interestinconundrum at September 21, 2007 12:11 PM

Doesn't anybody here have enough neurons what the ellipses omit? Do you accept any candy that is given to you in the street? Don't you know what disinformation through omission is ?

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 12:14 PM

interestinconundrum,

Glad you admit it and you seem proud of it too.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 12:16 PM

sublimer

I agree that soldiers in any army can make such calculations. It is the nature of war. What is important is that the target is legit and that the collateral damage is considered in relation to the importance of the target. Not saying this makes everything peaches and cream. But it's better than deliberately targeting the innocent just to grab headlines.

It would be impossible to fight any war without harming innocent people. War is bad. But war happens sometimes.

nabi ZK

...and if falsehood is found in any of my words it is somebody else's fault...

Posted by: zonie kafir at September 21, 2007 12:17 PM

What would you do if you were President of the U.S. and China imposed sanctions on your country until the U.S. dismantled all its nuclear weapons, knowing very well that other countries can keep theirs if they wish.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 12:18 PM

Posted 3/8/2006 6:48 AM Updated 3/8/2006 10:02 PM

Iran threatens U.S. with 'harm and pain'
VIENNA (AP) — Iran threatened the United States with "harm and pain" Wednesday if the U.S. tries to use the U.N. Security Council — which has the power to impose sanctions — as a lever to punish Tehran for its suspect nuclear program.

....one of many such instances...more to follow...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at September 21, 2007 12:25 PM

ZK,

I am glad that you know that war is bad. It is a simple and self-evident fact but which is oft forgotten. So if we take that war is bad, and that we, as humans, should avoid what is bad, shouldn't we strive for that purpose. Creating collateral damage, instigating civil wars and fueling hate is not the right way to solve the problem then. Just imagine what you would do if you saw your son fighting another kid in school. would you encourage them to make peace by talking (dialogue and diplomacy) or would you go and start beating the other kid too. If you do that, the kid's father might come to your door and beat you up and brand a ZK in your forehead. That's how wars are perpetuated. Nothing can be solved through violence.

If you do not want a ZK branded on your forehead I suggest you talk to your kid and tell him to stop his mischief.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 12:26 PM

harm and pain can be economic. What do you think sanctions do. Don't they create harm on pain to the population. ust ask the 1 million iraqis who died under the Clinton administration because medicine could no longer be imported to their country.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 12:29 PM

I see, so any information that doesn't agree with your agenda is disinformation?

Hmm... how convenient.

I am not sure about Hugh, but I do believe that Robert knows Arabic, so he can attest to what Ahmadman said in that speech. It is recorded in video format at MEMRI.org.

Perhaps you know Arabic? Perhaps you can translate it for us if Robert is such a hate-monger?

Posted by: Kay at September 21, 2007 12:29 PM

Previewing your Comment
"The cartoon reminds me of another time and another epoch. Look at Ahmadinedjad. Tiny, week beggar with a crooked nose. The American cop is a huge muscular Aryan. Does anyone see the similarities with Nazi cartoons?" posted by sublimer

@sublimer,

On the surface, yes I do see a resemblance. I admit it unsettled me. But do you see what is not on the surface?

Ahmadinejad would have been better portrayed in a truer charicature, making it clear to anyone who he is, in the cartoon.

I didn't make the leap to the "Aryan" cop. And to me, he looks beefy, but not particularly muscular.

So much for the surface. Now dig a little deeper. The huge cop represents law and order in America, the strength of the will of the American people, and New Yorkers, in particular. His figure is meant to be reassuring to the American reader/viewer.

Ahmadinejad's smallness has to do with the fact that he is not a citizen of this country, and he is in no position to disobey the law, or to make demands. Or perhaps that he can demand all he likes, but to no avail. Again, this would be more effective, I believe, if his portrayal was more true to life, and less "stock" Middle Eastern.

This is all my opinion, the pattern I see in my tea leaves today. It's a sucessful cartoon, because I did laugh. It's a potentially dangerous cartoon, in that it might foster a false sense of security. It's not something to demonstrate against, nor kill the artist for. ;-)

"The simplest kind of warfare at all is to humiliate, laugh at belittle and fiercely revile the rantings of this maniac." posted by poetcomic1

Posted by: Abscedere at September 21, 2007 12:30 PM

sublimer

Sure. Just because we got 'em iran has the right too. That's sounds fair. We wouldn't let anybody take away our nukes so it's only fair that everyone can have them.

But sublimer, that way lies nuclear war. Also, I do believe that if iran is foolish enough to develop such weapons it will mean the end of iran as a nation and a people. If they go that way they will be ruined utterly.

http://damncoolpics.blogspot.com/2007/04/nuclear-explosions.html

These toys are no joke people. They should not proliferate. Trust me on this one. We do not need one additional state with nukular weapons on this planet. Not one more.

nabi ZK

...let those who doubt this come up with some kind of refutation even...

Posted by: zonie kafir at September 21, 2007 12:32 PM

Nothing can be solved through violence. (cliche)

I believe WWII was solved with violence. Correct me if I am wrong here, but the atrocious behavior of Germany and Japan was ended through the use of violence. And just between you, me and the fencepost, that was the only way to stop them.

nabi ZK

...come on, you gotta believe at least that or dire things will be written on your future signage...

Posted by: zonie kafir at September 21, 2007 12:37 PM

Kay,

the ellipses come from MEMRI !!!!! They cut the video as they see fit. Here are some links to show you how this institution run by an ex-general in the Israeli army edits videos to serve their idiosyncratic agenda :

http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/journalist/story/0,7792,773258,00.html

Do you remember how MEMRI became famous ? Do you remember wafa sultan ? Well read this article :

http://www.aqoul.com/archives/2006/03/aljazeera_trans.php

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 12:37 PM

harm and pain can be economic. What do you think sanctions do. Don't they create harm on pain to the population. ust ask the 1 million iraqis who died under the Clinton administration because medicine could no longer be imported to their country.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 12:29 PM

Well since we have no economical ties to Iran, I doubt thats what they mean.

Posted by: Elric66 at September 21, 2007 12:38 PM

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1241.htm

That is a different clip, but he is still demanding America 'bow down and surrender to it's (Iran's) might and right.'

But, perhaps this is a mistranslation?

And here is a transcript of another speech, the prelude is interesting:

Following are excerpts from an address by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, which aired on Channel 1, Iranian TV, on February 11, 2007.

Speaker: Before the speech of Mr. Ahmadinejad, President of the Islamic Republic, I would like to call out several slogans, and you will answer me out loud.

Today, throughout Islamic Iran, from south to north and from east to west, there is one cry only: Death to America.

Crowd: Death to America

Death to America

[…]

Speaker: The hatred and rage of the Muslim people…

Crowd: The hatred and rage of the Muslim people…

Speaker: is directed towards America, the infidel Satanic regime...

Crowd: is directed towards America, the infidel Satanic regime...

Speaker: is directed towards America, the infidel Satanic regime...

Crowd: is directed towards America, the infidel Satanic regime...

Speaker: America is a [defeated] regime with broken horns…

Crowd: America is a [defeated] regime with broken horns…

Speaker: America is a [defeated] regime with broken horns…

Crowd: America is a [defeated] regime with broken horns…

Speaker: It waits [for Iran] to establish relations with it…

Crowd: It waits [for Iran] to establish relations with it…

Speaker: No way will we have relations with America…

Crowd: No way will we have relations with America…

Speaker: No way will we have relations with America…

Crowd: No way will we have relations with America…

Speaker: Our struggle with America is eternal…

Crowd: Our struggle with America is eternal…

Speaker: The cry of all people on Earth...

Crowd: The cry of all people on Earth...

Speaker: The cry of all people on Earth...

Crowd: The cry of all people on Earth...

Speaker: The cry of all people on Earth is:

Crowd: The cry of all people on Earth is:

Speaker: Death to the filthy and accursed America

Crowd: Death to the filthy and accursed America

[...]

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1385.htm

Posted by: Kay at September 21, 2007 12:39 PM

the paragraph below is located in the news report I hav attached:

Ahmadinejad also threatened any country that supports Israel, including the U.S. and its allies, saying: "It is in your own interest to distance yourself from these criminals ... This is an ultimatum. Don't complain tomorrow."

Iranian president blasts UN, Israel at huge rally
Last Updated: Friday, October 20, 2006 | 10:04 AM ET
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Iran's hardline president told thousands of people at a rally in Tehran on Friday that the United Nations Security Council and its decisions are "illegitimate" and Israel has "lost its reason for existence."

"What sort of security council is this? The whole world knows that the U.S. and Britain are enemies of the Iranian nation," Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said in a Tehran square at the pro-Palestinian rally.

Iran is facing possible sanctions from the UN Security Council for its refusal to stop enriching uranium as part of its nuclear program. The U.S. and Britain, along with France, Russia and China, are permanent members of the security council, which means they have the power to veto its measures.

"You want to be the judge, the complainant and the enforcer. But the time for such logic has passed. No one accepts this from you," Ahmadinejad said, referring to the U.S. and Britain.

A draft UN resolution on Iran is expected to be introduced in the security council early next week.

In his fiery remarks, Ahmadinejad also attacked Israel, saying the country has "lost its reason for existence," it will soon disappear and its leaders are a "group of terrorists."

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The president is known for his harsh comments against Israel.

"This regime, thanks to God, has lost the reason for its existence," he said. "Efforts to stabilize this fake regime, by the grace of God, have completely failed ... You should believe that this regime is disappearing."

Demonstrators at the rally also marched in the streets of Tehran, chanting slogans and carrying posters of Iran's leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. The rally was held in support of the Palestinian and Lebanese people.

'This is an ultimatum'

Ahmadinejad also threatened any country that supports Israel, including the U.S. and its allies, saying: "It is in your own interest to distance yourself from these criminals ... This is an ultimatum. Don't complain tomorrow."

He added: "Nations will take revenge."

On Thursday, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert told reporters that Iran would have "a price to pay" if it refuses to suspend its enrichment of uranium. He made the comment on the way back from a three-day trip to Russia, where he met with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Moscow.

"They have to understand that if they object to every compromise, there will be a price to pay," Olmert said.

Israel has made it clear that it rejects the notion that Iran's nuclear program is peaceful and that it is designed simply to produce energy. But Israel has said it prefers to work with other countries against the program instead of leading a campaign against it.

Russia, for its part, is building Iran's first nuclear reactor and has urged the security council not to impose sanctions against Iran. It has also agreed to continue shipping fuel to Iran for its reactor.

Olmert said after his meeting with Putin that he is convinced that Russia does not want to see a nuclear Iran and the Russian leader is aware of how serious the situation has become.

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Posted by: exsgtbrown at September 21, 2007 12:40 PM

ABCEDERE,

I agree with you but the unfortunate thing is that the cartoon did not depict ahamdinedjad as you have done and it resorted to a vulgar smplicity with disturbing anti-semitic undertones. That was my point.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 12:41 PM

sublimer

Let’s take these one at a time…(you say in quotes)

(1) “Please provide me with evidence that Ahmadinedjad has called for an Islamic war against the United States. Google it !”

Here is one…of many…

"Thanks to the blood of the martyrs, a new Islamic revolution has arisen and the Islamic revolution of 1384 [the current Iranian year] will, if God wills, cut off the roots of injustice in the world." He said, that "the wave of the Islamic revolution" would soon "reach the entire world."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article538795.ece

I suppose the USA is still located on planet earth? Correct?

Do you want more…I can supply them?

(2) “George Bush used to execute mentally retarded people in Texas because he is also an idiot.”

Listen I am no fan of GW however it was Bill Clinton who whacking the mentally challenged in Arkansas as governor. Any way the death penalty is ok for killers but for teenage girls getting strung up for being raped or for carrying on some affair with their boyfriend is not something George or Bill has ever done. Really you can’t even compare the two. It is classic example of how silly apologists like you try to divert the argument by saying “see George executed people too!” You do realize who those people were? You know a girl who murders somebody is not the same as a girl kissing me on the cheek. You do understand the difference right?

(3) “Who said that I supported Ahmadinedjad ?”

You did not say you were against him? You instead attacked Mr. Spencer first and the people who posted on this board for attacking Ahmadinejad. In fact you even used the word racist when everybody knows Islam is not a race. If you are against him showing up then ok just say it.

(4) “See, my intellectual framework is not as narrow as to only see black and white.”

No all you see is grey. It really is that narrow. You have the ability to compare the execution of a murdering psycho to a teenage girl being executed for having a pre-martial affair. It is like comparing Jupiter to some ice rock in the Kuiper belt by saying they both orbit the sun therefore they are the same.

(5) “If I criticize x, that does not mean I support Y. Only idiots think that way.”

Only idiots ignore the sexist bigoted killer by attacking somebody for posting:

"I expect he will find a peaceful but hostile reception at the site of the handiwork of his fellow mujahedin."

This is a factual statement. Yes they don’t like each other but they both support an Islamic state for the world. That resulting Islamic state would have the same outcome for non-Muslims. Does it really matter if it is a Shia version or a Sunni version?

So yes as far as this Non-Muslim is concerned they are both mujahedin.

It appears you are more angry at Mr. Spencer for saying something that is true (they are both Mujahedin) then you are at the pending visit of Ahmadinejad.

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at September 21, 2007 12:41 PM

sublimer: I find you deeply ignorant on many issues but here's one above all I would point out. There's a huge difference between democracies, truly free countries, engaging in war and non-democratic tyrannies and autocracies doing the same. You seem to want to draw a level playing field, which indicates to me you suffer from a bad case of moral relativism. During WWII German planes bombed British cities and British women and children died. During that same war American and British planes bombed German cities and German women and children died. BUT, the fault for ALL of this lay with Hitler and the Nazis. Sometimes, as Winston Churchill realized only too well and to his great chagrin, free countries have to engage in terrible deeds to preserve, protect and promote freedom precisely because the dysfunctional, dictatorial, brutal countries of the world would prevail but for democracies standing up to them. You're clueless here.

Posted by: Wellington at September 21, 2007 12:45 PM

"I won't insist," Ahmadinejad said…

Ten bucks says he makes a run for ground zero, cameras blazing.

Ahmedinejad is like an inner city youth with a can of spray paint; he just can’t help himself.

Posted by: pez at September 21, 2007 12:52 PM

ZK,

I hope you don't dismiss a statement just because it has become so cliche. I agree with you that nuclear weapons cannot proliferate but the U.S. needs to set the example by sticking to anti-nuclear treaties, reduce its arsenal and force other countries to do the same. Otherwise, anything it says will always be considered hypocritical. that's how the iranians see it.

as for WWII, violence was used then but there was no alternative recourse. Germany was an aggressive superpower and Hitler ready to take over the world. The only way to stop it was for countries to get together and stop it through violence because the Nazi only accepted that language. But when was Iraq a threat to the world ? And do you really believe Iran is a threat ? Do you sincerely believe Iran can harm the U.S. Only if they are suicidal maybe but they're not crazy. we are entering the same phase we did right before the war in Iraq. Although as unbelievable as it might seem, some people were scared shitless that they really believed that Iraq could hurt the States. They then support the war. But to do the whole thing again with Iran ? Common ! Do you know that most people in the world is starting to see the U.S. as the N# 1 most important threat in the world ?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1797771,00.html

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 12:52 PM

oh sublime one -

You never did explain how you came up with your name, which is not even a word.

And as for the Iraqis who died because of sanctions, what about all the children who will die or even worse, live with the results of untreated diseases because stupid muslims think inoculations against deadly diseases are a kafir plot to annihilate muslims?

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at September 21, 2007 12:55 PM

wellington,

reread my comments to ZK.

Greatcomment,

one link : http://archives.cnn.com/2000/LAW/08/09/texas.double.execution.03/

Kay : Blowback can have its effects :

http://www.mohammadmossadegh.com/

Let's hope his memory will not become another "remember the alamo" and that we can put the past behind us and close wounds through dialogue and diplomacy.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 12:58 PM

ImNoDhimmi,

which village in India are you talking about ?

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 1:00 PM

On Israel being wiped off the map... yet another lie :

http://www.mohammadmossadegh.com/news/caught-red-handed/

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 1:01 PM

pez

Then Ahmadinejad can play.."Escape from New York."

I wonder what the Las Vegas odds are he tries to make a run for it. God that would be funny.

Let's just be honest...why is he even in the USA? When will George start acting like George Washington and not like Boy George.

Just say no...you cannot enter paradise. No soup for you!

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at September 21, 2007 1:03 PM

Everyone in NY should carry a Tomato when Ineedajob comes to the UN. One never knows when a Tomato fest would be in order.

There should be a Festival at Columbia

What better insult than to be pelted with a Fruit Iran has problems growing.

The Secret Service personell forced on this detail would probably be understanding of any collorateral dammage.

Thinl of it as a large protest sign made on Mother Earth with all bio-degradeable Paint.

Sublimer-

Droping Bombs from any American Aircraft is a Command Decision. Not the whim of the Pilot. Release is never authorised without multiple confirmations of the Targets validity.

The filliment in your Light Bulb is broken. The light you shed is very dark.

We are all well aware of your willingness to convert. So why bother us with Future troubles of your own making.

Posted by: flowerknife_us at September 21, 2007 1:03 PM

"...dialogue and diplomacy.

Posted by: sublimer""

...never have worked before when dealing with Islam and Muslims....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at September 21, 2007 1:07 PM

Droping Bombs from any American Aircraft is a Command Decision. Not the whim of the Pilot. Release is never authorised without multiple confirmations of the Targets validity.

If that makes you sleep alright at night keep on believing it. Hope your dream are full of ponies and unicorns.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 1:11 PM

Sublimer, I went to the site you linked for the full transcript of the Wafa Sultan interview.

I read the entire thing.

There was no difference in the tone of the interview between the MEMRI clip and this transcript. The MEMRI clip is shorter, but there was no twisting of the message whatsoever.

They were basically the same ideas expressed.

I'm not sure why you would give me the link to compare. Maybe you thought I was too lazy to read it? Well, I wasn't. And the MEMRI is simply a shorter version of the same interview.

Nothing was misinterpreted, or mistranslated, and the spirit of the interview is the same.

Posted by: Kay at September 21, 2007 1:12 PM

Sublimer asks way back:

"Fellow Mujahedeen? Now, please explain to me how the 911 terrorists are friends with Ahmadinedjad. Don't you know that they are Sunnis and he is a Shi'a ? You purport throughout your website that these two sects hate each and hated each other since the beginning of Islam, so why are you lumping them together now. Is it just another lie to boil the hate of your commentators ? Or are you lumping - as any racist would do - Muslims in one homogeneous group."

Regarding your original question, by common understanding Mujahideen (مجاهدين; also transliterated as mujāhidīn, mujahedeen, mujahedin, mujahidin, mujaheddin, etc.) is a plural form of mujahid (مجاهد), which literally translates from Arabic as "struggler", someone who engages in jihad, or "struggle", but is often translated as "holy warrior". ...

Yes, holy warrior. The thug in chief has recently stated on his last trip to Afghanistan that "There is no truth on earth but monotheism and following tenets of Islam and there is no way for salvation of mankind but rule of Islam over mankind," He also said Islam belongs to all generations and Muslims should "get ready for global mission of Islam."

See all the other statements of his above evidencing his desire to destroy America.

He is just another jihadist, mujahideen, crazy-ass nut-job, whatever word you care to use. Is there some difference between these we should know about? Sunni or shiite mujahideen. Is there really a difference- please explain. Muslims who want to kill infidels in the name of Allah, for Islam to dominate, to commit holy war- sunni or shiite- did the Prophet use another name for holy warriors that we have overlooked- please, please inform. Perhaps Spencer has mislead us ( I don't think so, but I've got an open mind).

If calling sunni and/or shitte jihadist/mujahideen hateful, vile, despicable people is racist, then count me in too, I'll admit it.

And by the way, why aren't you trying to convince the mujahideen/jihadist of the virtues of peace, not violence. Why are you here preaching to us about be peaceful?

You appear to be looking for disagreement for disagreement sake. The description "troll" comes to mind.

Either state your case and defend it specifically, or go away.

Posted by: USorThem at September 21, 2007 1:13 PM

sublimer

Do you think Islamic Civilization is equal to Western Civilization?

Just wondering?

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at September 21, 2007 1:14 PM

I would hope that one day Bush will have the B**** to visit Iraq and pay his respects to all the dead caused by the war he started, and that the Iraqis will be smarter than the Americans in believing that it is a peace gesture and a symbol for putting death and destruction behind them.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 1:14 PM

UsorThem,

During colonization, both the French and the English were promoters of the "civilizational mission". Does that mean that were fellows. During the Reconquista, the Spnaish and the Portuguese were trying to convert infidels to Christianity. Does that make the Protuguese and the Spanish fellows ?

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 1:19 PM

Why do Muslims always revert to quoting 600 year old history whenever they are proven to be irrational?

Posted by: Kay at September 21, 2007 1:22 PM

Greatcomet,

Do you think that you are equal to your sister or brother ? each one is the same and different in many ways with defects and advantages.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 1:22 PM

sublimer

You agreed with my assertion that violence solved things in WWII and no alternative was available.

Then you said I should not dismiss your statement that 'violence never solves anything' just because it is cliche. I dismissed it because it was contradicted by the facts. The statement is false. Violence sometimes solves things.

nabi ZK

...plum out of admonitions this time but I'll think of some new ones soon....

Posted by: zonie kafir at September 21, 2007 1:24 PM

sublimer

"Do you think that you are equal to your sister or brother ? each one is the same and different in many ways with defects and advantages."

Tell me what are the advantages of Islamic Civilization over Western Civilization?

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at September 21, 2007 1:27 PM

Look, the point comes down to this: believe what you want, but stay on your side of the world! Let's compete; who has the greatest civilization? But don't migrate your facist beliefs to the west, don't spread your culture to the west! Europeans are out of the colonist business. The United States has never been in the colonist business. If Islamic culture/politics/lifestyle has so much to offer then prove it. But until then, don't force it on the rest of the world. If Muslims do, then we will fight back.

Posted by: Kay at September 21, 2007 1:27 PM

Kay,

Now go back to the MEMRI video and watch the translation. Also if you want to know what I am getting at read the comments at the aqoul site.

Why quote history ? Are you serious with that question ? what do you mean ? should we get rid history of our school curriculum ? Why do you think the Nazis used to burn history books ?

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 1:28 PM

substandard -

Which village in India??? Where did that come from? I was referring to the muslim idiots in Nigeria, as well as in Pakistan, see below:

"The global campaign to eradicate polio by 2005 is being threatened by the resurgence of the disease in the far north of Nigeria.

Despite this, an immunisation programme has been put on hold because of claims by Muslim clerics that the vaccine is being deliberately contaminated as part of a western plot.

In the predominantly Muslim region where anti-American sentiments often run high, the idea that the polio vaccine is part of a US plot to render women in the developing world infertile quickly took hold."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"Maulana Fazlullah, a religious leader in a village in the Swat district of Pakistan, is using an FM radio channel to advise people not to immunise their children against the polio vaccine. The radio show, known as Maulana radio, speaks against issues such the education of girls, entertainment including movies and television and polio vaccination."

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at September 21, 2007 1:34 PM

...don't force it on the rest of the world.

Ahh yes. But that would not quite be the mohametan way. They are required to force it on everyone. We should rub their noses in it swat them with the newspaper and kick them outside till the can show better manners.

nabi ZK

...a nabi you can trust....

Posted by: zonie kafir at September 21, 2007 1:34 PM

Greatcomet,

Do you think that you are equal to your sister or brother ? each one is the same and different in many ways with defects and advantages.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 1:22 PM

You dodged his question

Posted by: Elric66 at September 21, 2007 1:34 PM

"I would hope that one day Bush will have the B**** to visit Iraq "

Posted by: sublimer

...Bush has been to Iraq....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at September 21, 2007 1:34 PM

Sublimer:

"On Israel being wiped off the map... yet another lie:"

From the article that Sublime was so kind to provide:

"His supporters and some independent analysts have since argued Ahmadinejad's words were mistranslated from Farsi and should have been better translated as 'vanish from the pages of time' — implying Israel would vanish on its own rather be destroyed."

Sure. I'm sure that's exactly what he meant. No, the Iranian regime is not for the destruction of Israel. Thanks for straightening all of us out, Dhimmi-er, I mean, Sublimer.

Posted by: TUDOR at September 21, 2007 1:35 PM

sublimer sez, "Racist!" Honestly, what race is islam?
Islam is a whole, it may have divisions about which man to follow after the death of "the prophet", but at the end of the day moslems will stand together against the unbelieving world, and you know it.
The rest of us have heard the threats coming from your spokesmen, we have seen the blood running on our streets because we don't believe in "allah and the last day". We now have access to your texts in our bookstores and on the internet. The secret is out! We know your plans for the unbelieving world. The ummah talks about it openly in forums. Your co-religionists carry posters with "Behead Those Who Insult Islam".
The genie is out of the bottle!

Posted by: interestinconundrum at September 21, 2007 1:35 PM

Kay,

"The United States has never been in the colonist business. "

Maybe you do need a history lesson. It's in the colonial business right now. why do you think they built an embassy as big as the vatican in baghdad ?

ZK,

Well sometimes to reach your goal, you have to aim for the impossible.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 1:36 PM

substandard -

Which village in India??? Where did that come from? I was referring to the muslim idiots in Nigeria, as well as in Pakistan, see below:

"The global campaign to eradicate polio by 2005 is being threatened by the resurgence of the disease in the far north of Nigeria.

Despite this, an immunisation programme has been put on hold because of claims by Muslim clerics that the vaccine is being deliberately contaminated as part of a western plot.

In the predominantly Muslim region where anti-American sentiments often run high, the idea that the polio vaccine is part of a US plot to render women in the developing world infertile quickly took hold."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"Maulana Fazlullah, a religious leader in a village in the Swat district of Pakistan, is using an FM radio channel to advise people not to immunise their children against the polio vaccine. The radio show, known as Maulana radio, speaks against issues such the education of girls, entertainment including movies and television and polio vaccination."

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at September 21, 2007 1:41 PM

What I mean is that the world was different at that time. We have progressed to the point where there is instant communication, constant travel, global economics, and more serious weapons. Yes, of course, there were wars between the European countries throughout history. Men rode out on horses and fought one another with swords and arrows. But the did not drag their innocents along with them so they could arrange bad PR for their enemies.

We learn lessons from history, yes. But we apply them properly. Today's Sunni and Shi'ite differences are in no way applicable to 15th century Europe.

For one, they didn't blow up each other's churches, in fact they were sanctuaries.

Posted by: Kay at September 21, 2007 1:42 PM

sublimer sez, "Racist!" Honestly, what race is islam?
Islam is a whole, it may have divisions about which man to follow after the death of "the prophet", but at the end of the day moslems will stand together against the unbelieving world, and you know it.
The rest of us have heard the threats coming from your spokesmen, we have seen the blood running on our streets because we don't believe in "allah and the last day". We now have access to your texts in our bookstores and on the internet. The secret is out! We know your plans for the unbelieving world. The ummah talks about it openly in forums. Your co-religionists carry posters with "Behead Those Who Insult Islam".
The genie is out of the bottle!

Posted by: interestinconundrum at September 21, 2007 1:43 PM

sublimer sez, "Racist!" Honestly, what race is islam?
Islam is a whole, it may have divisions about which man to follow after the death of "the prophet", but at the end of the day moslems will stand together against the unbelieving world, and you know it.
The rest of us have heard the threats coming from your spokesmen, we have seen the blood running on our streets because we don't believe in "allah and the last day". We now have access to your texts in our bookstores and on the internet. The secret is out! We know your plans for the unbelieving world. The ummah talks about it openly in forums. Your co-religionists carry posters with "Behead Those Who Insult Islam".
The genie is out of the bottle!

Posted by: interestinconundrum at September 21, 2007 1:43 PM

So you are a dreamer? That's OK. I also wish for the magical gumdrops land where we can all just get along. Ain't here right now tho'

nabi ZK

...And nabi ZK (who often refers to himself in third person, sometimes even plural!!!)was heard to say: the magical gumdrops land which ain't here right now could be just around the corner. I say could be. But I'm not making any promises on that one for now...

Posted by: zonie kafir at September 21, 2007 1:44 PM

Greatcomet,

Do you think that you are equal to your sister or brother ? each one is the same and different in many ways with defects and advantages.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 1:22 PM

You dodged his question

Posted by: Elric66 at September 21, 2007 1:48 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCNLRSE_48Y

What are they chanting?
"We really love America!" ??

Posted by: interestinconundrum at September 21, 2007 1:48 PM

Well, as soon as we start benefiting financially, instead of pouring billions of dollars into Iraq, then we can have that conversation, eh?

Last I looked, oil was at an all time high, giving Dubai the cash to buy 20% of NASDAQ. Not so bad for colonialism, wouldn't you say?

Posted by: Kay at September 21, 2007 1:48 PM

nabi ZK -- I always enjoy your "freelance prognostications".

Posted by: Josephine at September 21, 2007 1:55 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCNLRSE_48Y

What are they chanting?
"We really love America!" ??

Posted by: interestinconundrum at September 21, 2007 1:56 PM

Colonialism? Islam is trying that now. Moving all over the world, Switzerland and Sweden for God's sake! Not your basic moslem nations.
History lessons? Too bad nobody seems to remember history.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at September 21, 2007 1:58 PM

sublimer: Read your comment to ZK and find it quite weak. Iraq under Saddam Hussein was a threat to America and much of the world because of his inordinate ambitions, a psychopathic personality, ties to and contacts with large numbers of nefarious characters, in possession of the fourth largest oil reserves in the world and sundry other reasons. Iran is a present threat to the world because it's led by religious zealots who seek nuclear weapons and who have an active contempt for free societies everywhere. If this isn't enough for you, then just add more to the "sublimer clueless list." Threats to democracies from tyrannies come in all kinds of shapes. Hitlerian Germany was a particularly potent one but it would indeed be foolish for free nations to see no threat from dictatorships and other types of disgusting regimes until they rise to the level of a Nazi Germany.

Posted by: Wellington at September 21, 2007 1:59 PM

"Droping Bombs from any American Aircraft is a Command Decision. Not the whim of the Pilot. Release is never authorised without multiple confirmations of the Targets validity."

Posted by: sublimer

....The Muslim terrorists know this....it is one of the reasons they try to shield themselves whenever possible with children.....Muslim terrorists know if they are caught in the open, they have seen their last day....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at September 21, 2007 2:03 PM

Kay,

"The United States has never been in the colonist business. "

Maybe you do need a history lesson. It's in the colonial business right now. why do you think they built an embassy as big as the vatican in baghdad ?

And don't get angry just because I asked to do some research on Wafa Sultan. i know that the truth hurts but sometimes you need to shatter the illusionary myths that you have been fed.

ZK,

Well sometimes to reach your goal, you have to aim for the impossible.

For others,

why do I use the term racist ?

racism has come to define any ideology that lumps a whole group together disregarding the different opinions, tastes that might exist in that same group. For example it racist to say that all the jews are bad. But Judaism is a religion not a race. Not all Jews are semites and some as white as ( I can imagine) the posters on this website. So in the same sense that one can be anti-semite(i.e. anti jew), one can be anti-muslim if he believes that all muslims are the same. And I believe that many of you here think that. a lot of the posters here also imagine the Muslims as being deceitful cunning hiding things and with a general agenda to rule the world as if they all meet insome general headquarters to discuss their plan. Well that is similar to the symptoms that affected anti-semites of the early 20th century and those who wrote the protocols of the elders of zion. some believe, as a poster indicated earlier, that Muslims are like robots programmed to conquer the world. You explain their dehumanization so you can legitimate their annihilation. that way you sleep tight at night.

As for those asking for the advantages of Islamic civilization, I would say that their is a better sense of family, of community. Not everything is about money. The peity that exists does not allow for the resurgence of human idols like those that exist in the west. You know, like Britney and paris Hilton. I should also add that people are not prisoners of their appearances and feel subjugated to fit a certain look promulgated by all the fashion magazines. One is freer to be himself without feeling that he needs to earn so much money or to look like Brad Pitt to be esteemed by the rest.

I should also add that if it wasn't for Islamic civilization who translated all the Greek philosophers to arabic, there would have been no renaissance in Europe and no western civilization as we know it today.

Posted by: sublimer at September 21, 2007 2:03 PM

Yikes! Gremlins in the machine!

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at September 21, 2007 2:05 PM

Kay,

"The United States has never been in the colonist business. "

Maybe you do need a history lesson. It's in the colonial business right now. why do you think they built an embassy as big as the vatican in baghdad ?

And don't get angry just because I asked to do some research on Wafa Sultan. i know that the truth hurts but sometimes you need to shatter the illusionary myths that you have been fed.

ZK,

Well sometimes to reach your goal, you have to aim for the impossible.

For others,

why do I use the term racist ?

racism has come to define any ideology that lumps a whole group together disregarding the different opinions, tastes that might exist in that same group. For example it racist to say that all the jews are bad. But Judaism is a religion not a race. Not all Jews are semites and some as white as ( I can imagine) the posters on this website. So in the same sense that one can be anti-semite(i.e. anti jew), one can be anti-muslim if he believes that all muslims are the same. And I believe that many of you here think that. a lot of the posters here also imagine the Muslims as being deceitful cunning hiding things and with a general agenda to rule the world as if they all meet insome general headquarters to discuss their plan. Well that is similar to the symptoms that affected anti-semites of the early 2