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Are the unindicted co-conspirators at the Council on American Islamic Relations feeling the heat from the revelations coming from the Holy Land Foundation trial, which has exposed CAIR as part of the Muslim Brotherhood apparatus in America? Well, I'm told that for whatever reason, they have removed from their website the section entitled "Anti-Hate Blogger Slams Robert Spencer's 'Spin,'" which quoted from and linked to the ludicrous and libelous hit piece by the felonious and fraudulent "Rev." Jim Sutter, whom the good folks at Phonyrev.com term (with abundant documentation) a "Tax Evader, Convicted Felon, Navy Seal Imposter, Bogus Academic, Fraudulent Combat Medals Claimant, Pathological Liar, Phony Minister and perhaps even worse..."
The slimy Sutter's hallucinatory libels would be beneath all notice were it not for CAIR's endorsement, now apparently withdrawn, and for his ongoing campaign to silence voices he dislikes by manipulating net filtering services into categorizing Jihad Watch and other sites (even Phonyrev.com) as advocates of violence and "hate speech." We are still fighting that, and will continue to do so -- and it is good to see that even the generally quite unscrupulous people at CAIR are now apparently getting a bit picky about their bedfellows.
UPDATE: This one is gone also.
Posted by Robert at September 24, 2007 10:19 AM
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"...hallucinatory libels..."
-- from Robert's quietly understated piece above
Now wait a minute. Are you saying that someone's insistence that you are I as well as you constitutes a "libel"? That's a tad insulting. And here I thought you might have been pleased.
I'm going out to buy a copy of "Every Man His Own Lawyer" right now. I don't know how long it is going to take me to get the hang of it all, the failure to state a claim, and res judicata, and in personam jurisdiction, and promissory estoppel, and de minimis non curat lex, and the Rule in Shelley's Case, and originalist views of the Constitution, and Posnerian efficiency arguments, but once I do, Robert, you'd better watch out.
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at September 24, 2007 11:07 AM
Representative Joe Sestak (D-PA) spoke at a CAIR fundraiser.
And - total coincidence - he wants to adopt the recommendations of the (James Baker led) Iraq Study Group, including negotiating with Syria and Iran.
You get what you pay for.
This district's previous representative, Curt Weldon, was widely known on the issue of following nuclear materials from the former Soviet Union.
The people get the government they deserve.
Posted by: Surak at September 24, 2007 11:23 AM
...CAIR found out that people who visit their web site see the name Robert Spencer and Jihad Watch and Dhimmi Watch....they read those hate filled blogs and then they visit JW/DW and read the truth about CAIR.....
....CAIR is losing creditability ....they are trying to stem the flow of blood....
Posted by: exsgtbrown at September 24, 2007 11:32 AM
I think you nailed it down right, exsgtbrown.
Imagine, that CAIR suggested that Robert Spencer had an alternate persona named Hugh. Another example of projection by schizoid CAIR and schizoid Sutter. Just imagine that, the Anti-jihad led by a double-faced propogandist/Western apologist of multiple personality!
Now, if only your alter ego would quit sparring with you, then maybe all of you can get on with our Noble and Heroic Righteous Crusade. Deus Vult!
Posted by: John C at September 24, 2007 12:16 PM
Read "propAgandist."
Posted by: John C at September 24, 2007 12:19 PM
Robert, it could be a badge of honour to be defamed by these scum on their web site (lol).
("No, put me back put me back !")
Direct lineage well pointed out: muslim brotherhood, Osama, Hamas, CAIR. They should be declared an islamic terrorist organization.
Posted by: dgene at September 24, 2007 12:58 PM
I've been to CAIR's website often to read what they are saying...I just found this site there which I have never seen before, Anti-Terrorism. They've revamped the entire site.
http://www.cair.com/AmericanMuslims/AntiTerrorism.aspx
Strange, they must be a bit scared. Cleaning house before the feds arrive?
Posted by: herself at September 24, 2007 2:14 PM
This new addition to the CAIR site should fool no one. CAIR has never "consistently condemned terrorism." It has never condemned terrorism, as we in the non-Muslim world quite naturally take that word to mean. Now it is added a few more layers of taqiyya, kitman, flat-out lying, in the hopes that the assertion itself will divert attention from the most salient fact: that all kinds of people, including one of CAIR's founders, have been accused of, and not a few convicted of, ties to terrorism. For the list of relevant names, go to the website of "Anti-Cair."
[And if you become the subject of verbal abuse by supporters of CAIR, proudly identify youself as a willing "lackey des anti-cairs" -- it should provoke dry amusement at least at the Wildenstein Galleries, and the French Embassy, and Philippe de Montebello might find it funny as well]
Posted by: Hugh at September 24, 2007 2:27 PM
Thanks for the Kudos Robert! Currently I'm dealing with a useful idiot on a yahoo group who sincerely believes I made thinks worse by exposing Sutter's lies. Go figure. What I don’t understand is why wasn't it done sooner?
Posted by: Lady Predator at September 24, 2007 3:05 PM
Lady Predator,
Many people, when arguing, once in a while overstate a case and out of excessive zeal, but in good faith, say something exaggerated about an opponent. But the felonious Sutter's increasingly well-documented history of fraud has made all too clear that he is mentally ill and actually relishes constructing lies not only about himself, but about anyone who opposes him.
As Exposingsutter.blogspot.com and PhonyRev.com have shown, Sutter seems to be a sociopath who takes pleasure in manipulation. He doesn't actually care in the least about bigotry and hate, but has found to his sick pleasure that for a time he can gain power over well-meaning people, pull their strings, get them to respond this way and that, and somtimes intimidate them into silence, if he liberally bludgeons them with terms like "bigot," "hate-monger," "racist," etc. He is in love with the power of manipulation for its own sake.
Do you know Sutter has a video on youtube? The video is just a ten second piece where the webpage address of the smear piece Sutter wrote rolls across the screen. Until I realized creators of youtube videos control comments on their own videos, I tried to leave a comment on Sutter's video and explain Sutter's felonious background and catalogue his pathological lies about himself.
The ExposingSutter website not long ago passed along the info that according to Pastor Ernie Sanders, a former acquaintance of Sutter, Sutter is a danger to himself and others. Thank you, Lady Predator, for standing up to Sutter. I'm sure it has been difficult at times, and required a lot of energy.
If anyone here knows how to construct and mix a youtube video, it might be a good idea to post a youtube video on Sutter, describing his felonious and fraudulent background. The video could integrate music and imagery from already existing internet videos.
Posted by: traeh at September 24, 2007 5:25 PM
PhonyRev.com displays two interesting pictures of Sutter. Sutter's many bogus claims about himself are conveniently linked at the left side of the site, which is worth an extended visit.
Posted by: traeh at September 24, 2007 5:42 PM
Please email me the link to Sutter's youtube. I can't find it via search. And I don't want you to post a link here.
Posted by: Lady Predator at September 24, 2007 5:47 PM
Lady Predator,
Where shall I email the link? If you want, you can email me at traehnam@yahoo.com and let me know privately where to email the link.
at September 24, 2007 6:06 PM
I sent you an email.
Posted by: Lady Predator at September 24, 2007 6:18 PM
CAIR, OBL, HLF and the Prez of Iran can spin all they want but the substance of their vile propaganda still agrees with their stated premise: WAR IS DECEPTION!
Posted by: youngtimer at September 24, 2007 10:02 PM
a friend sent me this google group link. as usual i adorned my waders before visiting. they were definitely needed.
www.groups.google.com/group/uk.religion.islam/topics
at September 25, 2007 2:14 AM
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