Actually a pretty damn nice BEAT DOWN by Bollinger before introducing Ahmadinnerjacket.

He's been talking now for 10 minutes and hasn't yet said anything. What a creep.

Posted by: JohnAdams at September 24, 2007 2:14 PM

"No one should prevent love and kindness from flourishing in mankind and turn it into hostility," the Iranian president said. "Family is the center of love and beauty."

TRANSLATION: No one should prevent raping-sodomizing of infants [read Komenie, yes its Legal in Iran],

ripping a nine year old girl out of school, away from her friends, her dreams, ripping into her body till she bleeds and screams on her so called 'forced wedding hell night' and taking her childhood away FOREVER, most likely to a man over twenty, sometimes old enough to be her damn grandfather--

yea no body should prevent That type of twisted love.

The flourishing in mankind, you mean sir, the flourishing blood in your prisons of women being gang raped, whipped till their skin pulls off, for showing,

oh my gosh, a wisp of hair?

Sure buddy, no one should prevent that!

Family the center of love, LOL, oh Really,

you mean the families all over parts of Africa, children ripped from their loving parents, sold into all forms of slavery and forced to convert to Islam, never to be seen by their parents again?

Or do you mean sir, the families of girls who allow the men to stab, rape, kill a daughter, for some 'honour' crime,

which CAN include, refusing to marry some old pervert because old daddy dearest from the bowels of Satan wants to make a dowry so he can buy a plasma t.v., she refuses so he gets ole uncle achmed and uncle shaheem or some other Moslem brother to knife the poor girl to death,

ignoring the whisper of momma's cries as she knows, if she protests it will be her head next, so she'll mentally warp herself into thinking its better for the daughter to be dead, and the

SAD THING IS SIR, IN YOUR ISLAM, IT REALLY IS BETTER FOR THE GIRLS/WOMEN,

TO BE DEAD.

than to live, under the daily torture they have to endure...

yes, that is the love and family peace he so refers too here.

War, he's concerned for war, LOL, how many 'key's are being made right now, for little children, to wear as they 'test nuclear facilities, probably those poor orphans of discarded women where the men choose not to keep them, grounds' for contamination? Like they are used to test for mine fields??????

How about, the thousands of your Iranian girls/women who are forced right now, into prostitution and trafficking to your Moslem thug brothers in other Islamic nations, sure you don't want anyone to prevent That now do you?

How much revenue do you make from that trafficked slavery, to line your palace?????

The Holocaust, Palestine--lets see, lets look,

How about sir thug, the thousands of Afghan refugees you booted out of Iran just this past year,

a people with no land/home?

How about the Kurds, a people WITH NO STATE?

How about the Roma Gypsies? You know, those 100,000++ BUTCHERED IN THE HOLOCAUST?

Ooops did that bit of HISTORICAL FACT ESCAPE YOU, IDIOT?

So you want to go to the place where your kind, plot to do more evil such as was done on 9-11, while your kind DANCED IN THE STREETS?

You sir, you Thug of Iran--SHOULD BE SHOT, THE MINUTE YOU STEP ON, OR NEAR, GROUND ZERO...and I'd be willing to pull the trigger, in a heartbeat.

Tasha

Posted by: Natasha at September 24, 2007 2:27 PM

"A master of deception in action"

I think you give this clown way too much credit. It's not hard to deceive the West. Mahmoud isn't deceiving anyone with half a brain.

As long as you are non white you can deceive the West without too much trouble.

Posted by: Sneakyzionistcrusader at September 24, 2007 2:32 PM

We KNOW to whom HE's "paying" HIS "respects" to.
He's not kidding ANYONE.
What a lying hypocrite of the Nth degree he is.
LOL

Posted by: jcom972 at September 24, 2007 2:38 PM

He's a snake.

Posted by: Josephine at September 24, 2007 2:39 PM

Give the nutroots 'peace & love' and they'll love him to death.

Amazing. Unbelievable stupidity. Ah'm-a-nutjob lies and denies (like all good Muhammedans do) and the moonbats in the universities gobble it up as if he was the Mahdi himself.

http://sheikyermami.com/2007/09/24/a-mad-in-jihad-%e2%80%9ci%e2%80%99m-a-muslim-i-cannot-tell-a-lie%e2%80%9d/

We just got another great cartoon from Shem, scroll down...

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at September 24, 2007 2:43 PM

"peace and security of all humanity" also means the institution of sharia law.

Posted by: Pelayo at September 24, 2007 2:51 PM

Josephine,
that's an insult to snakes everywhere!
(/sarc)
lol

I was thinking more along the lines of whale feces, the lowest thing on Earth...in the abyss, where it belongs.

Posted by: jcom972 at September 24, 2007 2:51 PM

As long as you are non white you can deceive the West without too much trouble.
Posted by: Sneakyzionistcrusader

I think it's more that if you are non-white you can get the West to deceive *itself*.

Now he'd going on about the "apartheid regime" in SA and the"Zionist" regime..

Is he talking about SOWdi Barbaria where "infidels" are not allowed to enter mecca? A clear example of Apartheid! I wish someone would ask him.

Since he has so many opinions he may want to elaborate.

Posted by: Allahfanculo at September 24, 2007 3:00 PM

Please, someone put together what he is saying here vs what he has said at home. Then, provide the meaning and the context under which taqiyya is permitable...

Posted by: Moose at September 24, 2007 3:00 PM

There aren't too many disgusting animals that we can compare Ahmadinijad to that do not cast the animal in a bad light. Ya know, I can't think of a single one. Comparing him to an orc from "Lord of the Rings" would be insulting to orcs, if there were any. Perhaps they do exist and one lives in Tehran.

Posted by: Pelayo at September 24, 2007 3:03 PM

Someone should organise a strippergram for this guy. Done correctly, she should bypass his security, derobe, with press photographers on hand.

If he is photographed laying one hand on raw flesh, the incandescent rage of the religious clerics at home is guaranteed.

Posted by: UK Infidel Lover at September 24, 2007 3:07 PM

Is That A Quaran In Your Pants, Or Do You Really Like Me? And of course, CAIR is involved...

Posted by: Mister Ghost at September 24, 2007 3:09 PM

The first thing he did...was call for the coming of the Mahdi.

Posted by: storagemanager at September 24, 2007 3:14 PM

Amazing. Unbelievable stupidity. Ah'm-a-nutjob lies and denies (like all good Muhammedans do) and the moonbats in the universities gobble it up as if he was the Mahdi himself.

... posted by sheik yer'mami

Are you impugning the rationality of our leftist friends?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/23/83652/6735

Posted by: Infidel33 at September 24, 2007 3:19 PM

No Gay folks in Iran?

Well, I think a lot of people would disagree with that, but wait...that's what those cranes are for, I guess.

(ee gads, what a way to go, too, by asphyxiation instead of the more merciful snapping of the neck)

-osgo

Posted by: -osgo- at September 24, 2007 3:19 PM

"Family is the center of love and beauty." - Ahmadinejad

Trying to strike a chord there-- who doesn't like the idea of a loving family? But, of course, he's depending on listeners' projecting their own concept of "family" onto that statement. Something Norman Rockwell-like, perhaps.

But we know--if only others did as well-- how much the model differs under Islamic influence: Child marriage, polygamy, seclusion of women, and so on.

Posted by: MarisolJW at September 24, 2007 3:20 PM

"The first thing he did...was call for the coming of the Mahdi."

Did he really?

Posted by: Elric66 at September 24, 2007 3:22 PM

Yeah?
To somehow pop out of the depths of the Earth... ooops, I mean a "well"? HHHmMMMMMmmmmm...

Interesting his prophecy beliefs...most interesting.

Posted by: jcom972 at September 24, 2007 3:34 PM

"if the Holocaust is a reality, why don't we let more research be done on it? ... Where did the Holocaust happen to begin with? It happened in Europe, and given that, why is it that the Palestinian people should be displaced? Why should they give up their land?"-The Sock Puppet of the third Reich (aka-the psychotic in Iran).

He's very clever at the "victim" game. He fails to mention the 1.5 million+ Mideast Jews who fled to Israel from Muslim tolerance (from Morocco, Iraq, the Gulf States, Iran, etc.). The truth is that if every Jew in Israel were only those who fled Muslim tolerance-they must still be returned to Dhimmi status in the Sock-Puppet's world.

The Sock Puppet of the third Reich knows what recently happened in Syria will soon happen in Iran and is campaigning for office. His soothing words, his lies, his deception, must be greeted with a cold heart. As Churchill said of Hitler ("Hitler must be destroyed")this bizarre creature of the third millennium must be destroyed and his nuclear arsenal must be destroyed.
------------------------
BTW, Columbia University, in giving this clown of death legitimacy, has made the world a more dangerous place. The Sock Puppet and the nuclear potential of Iran must be destroyed.

Posted by: Frank at September 24, 2007 3:36 PM

John Adams:

The only way the events at Columbia could have worked out in favor of the West instead of the the advantage of "President Tom" and the Mullahs would have been if Bollinger would have spoken directly to the dissidents within Iran and challenged "President Tom" to withdraw the yoke of oppression. If confronted with specifics on what is done to students in Iran, the audience would be less likely to applaud "President Tom"

Bollinger's "beat down" was remarkably ineffective, and will not in any case be heard by anyone in Iran. The Tyrant fom Tehran received more applause than Bollinger did.

Any public discourse regarding Iran that does not focus on dissidents within the country is wasting an opportunity to do some good. It is also the best way to neutralize useful idiots in the West---like many attending the speech today at Columbia.

Posted by: JSobieski at September 24, 2007 3:39 PM

Well now ColumbiaU has learned the truth about Mr. Nutjob.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at September 24, 2007 3:42 PM

Strain at the gnat, and swallow the camel whole.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at September 24, 2007 3:43 PM

We must realize that the more The Little Guy (TLG) keeps the Holocaust in the news the more that it will be remembered. We must never forget.

I would like to ask TLG this: "Were did the Jews live before the advent of the Roman occupation of the Middle East?" He should know, but what his answer would be is anybody's guess.

Posted by: Pelayo at September 24, 2007 3:46 PM

I heard about the last 15 minutes or so...He was talking a lot, saying basically nothing. He answered questions with questions, was evasive, and lied.
And that's only in the part I heard. No gays in Iran, at least not the kind in the US. That's because gays in Iran are oppressed or killed. At least in America if a gay wants to dress flamboyantly, and swish openly around town, he can do it. Try that in Iran.
Beasty was tossing taqiyya and kitman bombs all over the place. I have been trying to figure out why the audience was applauding. They are just being stupidly polite, or are they stupidly agreeing with him?
Probably a mixture of both.
He should never have been allowed out of his hotel room, unless he was going to the UN buildings, or returning...

Posted by: duh_swami at September 24, 2007 3:49 PM

I made a point not to watch one single second of that pahblum...I've not even seen any video or anything from it...to make a point. Predictability.

The answers were scripted and well- rehearsed.
The "forum" was window-dressing feigning hardball questions, which weren't when one really THINKs about them.

Every single question was screened, orchestrated, and worded carefully in his favor.

The interpreter softened the translations intentionally so as to maximize taqqiyah and thus, fool the fools into thinking it was a real hardball session.

He never once actually answered a single question- just evaded in the usual diatribes echoing militant political talking points that bore little, if any, relevance to the subject inquired.

No REAL hardball questions were put to him (see my 3-question post on the "thug" thread), and save the tokenisms like gays (which, apart from their hypocrisy, bear little relevance to THE most critical issues at hand)

10 to 1, if a REAL interpreter cross-referenced what he actually said vs. what the "interpreter" claims he said, it will turn out they were different, if not outright WAY off base.

Been there, done that, seen it before, bought the tshirt 10 times over...so predictable.

Ok...so how'd I do, considering I never watched one single second of it at all?
(what am I watching, while online-apart from workload?
American Movie Classics: "The Longest Day")
;-)

Posted by: jcom972 at September 24, 2007 3:52 PM

Re: "A master of deception in action".-Robert

He is as dangerous as they come. He's like that 5' 3" gnarled-club-footed-Goebbels in that way. This type (like Hitler) are vengeful for what nature has made of them.

http://members.frys.com/~orthofun/pictures/adv57t.jpg

Posted by: Frank at September 24, 2007 3:54 PM

Ahmadinejad: ... Wanted to Visit Ground Zero to 'Pay My Respects'

To the magnificent 19?

Posted by: Kemaste at September 24, 2007 3:56 PM

"Well now ColumbiaU has learned the truth about Mr. Nutjob."

They didnt know before? I also doubt it will matter, I heard they applauded him. Dhimmis to the end.

Posted by: Elric66 at September 24, 2007 3:56 PM

Jcom972, you missed a show, there were no softball questions. Bollinger's intro really insulted The Little Guy. He responded like it really stung.

I would like to see a transcript some day soon.

Posted by: Pelayo at September 24, 2007 3:58 PM

He's a master at turnspeak.

He said Iran was a victim of US terrorism.

Uncontrollable liar. World beware.

Posted by: sounder at September 24, 2007 4:05 PM

http://www.ci-ce-ct.com/Feature%20articles/02-12-2002.asp
Taqiyya and kitman: The role of Deception in Islamic terrorism

Tradecraft. Persona. Deception. Disinformation. Cover: Western operational terms and techniques. But, Islamic terrorists have their own terms: taqiyya (pronounced tark-e-ya) : precautionary dissimulation or deception and keeping one’s convictions secret and a synonymous term, kitman: mental reservation and dissimulation or concealment of malevolent intentions...
Taqiyya and kitman or ‘holy hypocrisy’ has been diffused throughout Arabic culture for over fourteen hundred years since it was developed by Shiites as a means of defence and concealment of beliefs against Sunni unbelievers. As the Prophet said: 'he who keeps secrets shall soon attain his objectives.’
The skilful use of taqiyya and kitman was often a matter of life and death against enemies; it is also a matter of life and death to many contemporary Islamic terrorists. As so often in the history of Islam, a theological doctrine became operational

During the Spanish inquisition, Sunni Moriscos attended mass and returned home to wash their hands of the ‘holy water’. In operational terms, taqiyya and kitman allowed the ‘mujahadeen ’ to assume whatever identity was necessary to fulfill their mission; they had doctrinal and theological and later jurisprudential sanction to pretend to be Jews or Christians to gain access to Christian and Jewish targets: ‘the mujahadeen can take the shape of the enemy’.

Yep one thing I noticed this guy sounds like ubl's look alike???

OH but what does shria law?

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/irans-police-crack-down-on-owning-pet-dogs

Iran: Tehran Officials Begin Crackdown On Pet Dogs
Friday, September 14, 2007

Posted by: Catherine at September 24, 2007 4:09 PM

"I was interested in expressing my sympathy to victims of tragedy," he said. "It's the responsibility of everyone to understand the root causes of 9/11."...

Indeed it is.

First of all it is NOT a tragedy. It's a terrorist attack which was carried out by moslems against Americans.

The real tragedy is that there are nearly a billion people who actually believe the gobbledygook that is written in the KKKoran. Literally.

THAT is the tragedy.

That and the fact that the MSM also call it a tragedy instead of what it truly is.

Posted by: Allahfanculo at September 24, 2007 4:10 PM

During Imaliar's "speech" I kept expecting the authorities to show up with a straightjacket; and I've never witnessed such a gifted LIAR before.

I have a question for you Ahmad, "Explain the slogans on your missiles -- you know the ones -- where you clearly stated 'Death to America' and 'Death to Israel'".

Answer:

"I did not really mean what I said. In fact, I would like to go on record and say that I'm sorry for stating that. You and the Jews are my friends, and I want nothing but love and peace to exist between our countries".....as he cops that eerie smile.

LIAR!!!!

Posted by: champ at September 24, 2007 4:17 PM

Many perceive that the "problem" about the Holocaust is that we obsess about it, that so many forests have been destroyed to provide the hundreds, the thousands of books written about it from every conceivable angle. Then this idiot comes along and says that what we need is "more research". Gag me with a spoon. He needs to visit Yad Vashem, not the Twin Towers site.

Posted by: Karl Pov at September 24, 2007 4:23 PM

Does anyone here oppose more research on the Holocaust? Do you think it's right to lock people up because they deny the Holocaust?
Posted by: EliasAlucard

More research based on presently established facts and knowledge - yes.

I don't think that anyone who expresses an opinion - no matter how kooky - should be locked up as long as they aren't calling to violence.

Thus they should not lock up Holocaust deniers. This is more a diversionary thing.

Meanwhile we have violent jihadists preaching violence on our very own streets.

They should definitely be locked up.

Posted by: Allahfanculo at September 24, 2007 4:23 PM

I have to say it. I wish the audience would have laughed at the baffoon earlier. But the statement, 'We don't have homosexuals in Iran' showed his visit to Columbia for what it was... a joke.

Posted by: HavTaSayIt at September 24, 2007 4:24 PM

Elias, yes I do have a real problem with European laws concerning Holocaust deniers. Europe has opened the gate that allows Mohammedans to legitimately demand similar protection. These laws are contrary to the American sense of freedom of speech. Because we have no holocaust laws, the Mohammedans cannot put their foot in a door that is not open.

Posted by: Pelayo at September 24, 2007 4:25 PM

Oh people, this is funny: He denied that homosexuals/lesbians exist in Iran! He said, "We don't have that phenomenon." PHENOMENON!!!!!! lol

He didn't even touch the lesbians part - just started some inane vapidities about "the beauty of women."

Oh, he also has said on this trip, "Muslims don't lie." HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA! (etc.)

That's the funniest thing I've ever heard! You know, do you really thinks he's so mentally deficient that he actually thinks he's fooling people???

Posted by: darcy at September 24, 2007 4:27 PM

Yes he wanted to pay his respects to the victims at Ground Zero in NY... All 4 of them.

Posted by: alexon at September 24, 2007 4:48 PM

can't we let him visit. then arrange for a pretend "monty python" inquisition to arrest him, cover him in make up, and let the gay and lesbian community kick shit out of this creep.
maybe he should invited to the holocaust museum in washington.

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at September 24, 2007 4:52 PM

What does mulsum law say about women?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article675686.ece
June 17, 2006
Sister is stabbed to death for loving the wrong man
Children were made to watch an attack on a woman who was forbidden to marry outside her caste
Steve Bird
A BUSINESSMAN is facing a life sentence for stabbing his sister to death in front of his two young daughters in a so-called honour killing.

NOW that aint right?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6153994.stm
, 16 November 2006,
Islamists debate rape law moves
Pakistan's six-party opposition Islamic alliance is threatening a campaign of countrywide protests over amendments to the country's strict rape laws.

Better read this one Western women won't lke this mulsum law at all!

Posted by: Catherine at September 24, 2007 4:57 PM

More research is needed on all aspects of the Nazi-Muslim connection. The support given by Hajj Amin el Husseini, the Mufti (this "grand mufti" stuff is a Western invention) of Jerusalem, not only met Hitler and told him what a swell job he was doing, but agreed to raise an S. S. Unit consisting of Bosnian Muslim volunteers. And Hajj Amin el Husseini, for all of his efforts in promoting the Nazi murders of Jews, was sought as a war criminal after World War II ended, and escaped punishment only because some in the French government decided to help rescue him.

Hitler's great solicitude for "the Arabs of Palestine" that is a recurring motif in his speeches -- they, along with the Sudeten Germans -- are the special focus of his feigned indignation at the treatment of certain peoples --deserves to be studied.

More needs to be studied about the admiration of Hitler, and of other leading Nazis, for the war-like and aggressive nature of Islam, and their expressed wish that the Germans had started out as Muslims, not as Christians, which according to the top Nazis would have been more fitting and helpful to their efforts at world conquest.

More is needed to be known about the Nazi war criminals who, unlike those who fled to South America, where they lived under false identities, in Egypt and Syria these war criminals not only kept their real identities, but often were employed by the Arabs to help train their security services, or their military. Think of Alois Brunner in Syria, or Van Leers in Egypt --and they were just the tip of the sinister iceberg.

Yes, let's find out about the Nazi-Islam connection, in every aspect. It is one of those subjects that hasn't been studied nearly enough. And there is a lot to find out about.

Posted by: Hugh at September 24, 2007 5:02 PM

More speech is almost always better. You can get into a category problem with what "speech" is, which is why I stuck that qualification in there, but I think Ahmadinejad's visit counts.

More thinking is always better. The arguments of the Holocaust deniers have been, and will continue to be, repeatedly destroyed. It's best this is done in the light of day rather than behind prison walls. It's much easier to eradicate a termite's nest when you expose it to sun and air.

With all that said, symbols matter, and the New Yorkers seem to have handled the planned triumphant-Islam visit to Ground Zero rather neatly.

Posted by: Marwan'sDaughter at September 24, 2007 5:24 PM

Absolutely correct Hugh and good post! Because that is, the truth,

Saddam's regime too, had very close ties to Nazism, as did the Egyptian Brotherhood, and the case in Serbia, where Bosnians were working in cohoots with the Nazi's during WWII.

You are right, there Does need to be more study and public attention to the Islamic ties to Nazism, and just how closely the Third Reich worked with Islamic regimes. It not only would expose the 'true international agenda' in regards to their adament anti-Semitism [and how Palestinians are merely a 'pawn' and always have been, if they were to rid of Israel tomorrow, there would be no Palestine either, only the Moslem Palestinians would be allowed to thrive],

but too, the ties between the political agencies that support the Islamists, particularly the socialists, and their ties/adoration of Hitler/Nazi's,

would really shed some light on the real reason, why the relativists, are in bed with the Islamists. Put it this way,

I confronted the socialist party I was once in, about whether or not they were Red Nazi's [because of their support of Iran/Hamas/Hezbollah],

they didn't reply--

but they didn't

deny it either.

and that, was in my opinion the answer. The agenda, is a worldwide Fourth Reich, with Islam as the guiding 'cult' to control the citizen.

Tasha

Posted by: Natasha at September 24, 2007 5:27 PM

"...that's an insult to snakes everywhere!..." Posted by: jcom972

LOL! I knew someone would say that!

When DinnerJacket says this:

"Where did the Holocaust happen to begin with? It happened in Europe, and given that, why is it that the Palestinian people should be displaced? Why should they give up their land?""

He is saying this:

---

All of the Jews in Israel are Europeans with no valid right of return. The Palestinians are the only true natives of Israel and they have been granted eternal right of return by the UN. Therefore, the Jews in Israel are illegitimate, illegal occupiers of Israel.

If the Holocaust happened it happened to European Jews, so why should Palestinians be kept out of their rightful homeland?

You will hear this talking point from many Palestinians. You will hear it when they admit that they want a "one-state solution" and not a "two-state solution".

This is the real reason (hello, Condi) why an agreement hasn't been reached yet between Palestinians and Israel: Palestinians (at least those in power) want a one-state solution, meaning all of the "European" Jews should have to leave Israel and go back to Europe. Europe should carve out a new homeland for its Jews.

---

(Of course, I don't believe a word of it.)

Posted by: Josephine at September 24, 2007 6:51 PM

OKAY FIRST OFF.
ITS NOT THE MUSLIMS WHO ARE TERRORISTS OKAY. THERE ARE RADICAL "MUSLIMS" AND NORMAL EVERYDAY GOD FEARING MUSLIMS.
ALSO IN THE HOLY BOOK OF THE MUSLIMS IN NO PART DOES IT STATE THAT YOU SHOULD KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE ever! SOME PEOPLE INTERPRET IT DIFFERENTLY AS FOR THE 9/11 TERRORISTS SOMETIMES THEY INTERPRET IT WRONGLY.
ID LIKE PEOPLE TO STOP ACTING LIKE MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS CUZ THEY ARE NOT.WHY IS THAT WHEN A WHITE CHRISTIAN MAN SHOOTS UP A SCHOOL HES NOT A TERRORIST BUT WHEN A RADICAL "MUSLIM" SHOOTS UP A JOINT HE IMMEDIATELY BECOMES A TERRORIST.
NOW ON TO AHMADINEJAD AND BOLLINGER. BOLLINGER INVITED AHMADINEJAD AND IT IS UNACCEPTABLE HOW RUDELY HE BEHAVED AND TALKED TO AHMADINEJAD. IN ADDITION BUSH IS LOOKING FOR AN EXCUSE TO ATTACK IRAN AND THE ONLY AVAILABLE EXCUSE IS THAT THERES "NUCLEAR WEAPONS" JUST LIKE "SADAAM HAD WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION HAH! bull

Posted by: tugba at September 24, 2007 6:53 PM

tugba, it says plainly in your books that unbelievers are never innocent. Your argument is hollow.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at September 24, 2007 6:58 PM

Ahmadinejihad has called for the destruction of the United States. We should be polite to him?

Posted by: interestinconundrum at September 24, 2007 7:00 PM

tugba,
could we get you something special?...like a CLUE?
If nothing else, the ayatollah, in clearly and unmistakably official channels, declared war on the US in the 1980s (we've yet to reciprocate), so we don't need to "LOOK" for any excuse to attack iran.
If what bollinger did was what you consider rude, you obviously aren't very old, or very knowlegeable, as that is nothing compared to REAL rudeness displayed by the munchkin himself since he ran for office.
You may also want to lay off echoing the talking points of the kook fringe websites...they make you look as stupid as that comment you just made.
And don't type in caps (implying yelling)...it doesn't do any good here.

Lan Astaslem

Posted by: jcom972 at September 24, 2007 7:14 PM

'human spirit' translated would mean Islam.

And 'humanity' in Islam speak means the ummah...

Yeah, and 'oppression' means resisting the spread of Islam, 'persecution' means fighting against Islamic terrorism or writing things like we do, etc etc...

so much more and so little time...

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at September 24, 2007 7:18 PM

I'll second what Jcom said. Future posts containing excessive capital letters will be deleted.

Posted by: MarisolJW at September 24, 2007 7:19 PM

NEW YORK CITY: DO NOT permit that snake's rear end approach anywhere near Ground Zero!

Posted by: hardball at September 24, 2007 7:37 PM

I'll second what Jcom said. Future posts containing excessive capital letters will be deleted.L/i> Posted by: MarisolJW

I believe tugba had his 'caps lock' on, and in his excitement forgot to check the 'preview' before he hit 'post'. But I agree, screaming does not help reasonable argument. Just bad taste.

Posted by: Battle_of_Tours at September 24, 2007 9:39 PM

"I'm fairly convinced that there was a Holocaust, but I also must admit that I haven't done enough research myself on the subject to have an opinion about it."
-- from a posting above

You are only "fairly convinced"? Just "fairly"? And you "must admit" that you "haven't done enough research myself on the subject to have an opinion about it"? Can you possibly be serious?

Why don't you go to the nearest large university library and start reading at once, so that any doubts at all are put paid to once and for all. Start with the records of the Nuremberg Trials, Raoul Hilberg, and Lucy Davidowicz, and Yaffa Eliach, and a thousand others.

And then continue, until you know what all educated people know or should know. Being "fairly convinced" and also thinking that you "haven't done enough research...on the subject to have an opinion on it" is, given the gravity of the matter, simply indefensible.

Posted by: Hugh at September 24, 2007 10:21 PM

I'm fairly convinced that there was an Assyrian nation, which may have had some slightly unpleasant relations with its Muslim neighbors. I need to do more research, of course.

I strongly recommend that everyone attempt to open the link at the bottom of EliasAlucard's postings using Internet Explorer (not Firefox). What you read will be an education in hidden agendas.

Posted by: Surak at September 24, 2007 10:44 PM

On the Holocaust — which the Iranian leader has called a "myth" — he said that "if the Holocaust is a reality, why don't we let more research be done on it? ...
..................................

The Holocaust is probably the most extensively documented atrocity in the history of mankind. Nazi records (say what you will about National Socialists; they were great record keepers), policy statements, memories of guards, victims and liberators, film and photographic records taken by American, British, French, and Russian journalists, International Red Cross records, physical evidence of death camps, crematoria, and mass graves, on and on.

And as if this were not enough, this is a topic which is widely researched in its details to this day. I guess Mahmoud hasn't turned on the History channel recently.

The idea that some agency in the West is preventing Holocaust research is ludicrous. What he really wants is a denial of all historic facts.

.....................

jcom972 wrote:

Every single question was screened, orchestrated, and worded carefully in his favor.

The interpreter softened the translations intentionally so as to maximize taqqiyah and thus, fool the fools into thinking it was a real hardball session.
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Actually, as has been noted, the questions were quite a bit more hardball than I expected., and the translation, no matter how softened, was still pretty damning.

I did notice one thing, though--at one point the translator quotes Ahmadinejad's rantings about science and the return of Jesus and Moses . . . then abruply stops, and changes it to 'science ruling the world and the return of "Justice"'. Did she just run out of time? (Ahmadinejad is nothing if not verbose). Or did she decide not to translate something which so explicitly refers to the Islamic vision of the Apocalypse, and the return of Isa (Jesus) to smite all the Christians? It would be interesting to know.

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tugba wrote:

NOW ON TO AHMADINEJAD AND BOLLINGER. BOLLINGER INVITED AHMADINEJAD AND IT IS UNACCEPTABLE HOW RUDELY HE BEHAVED AND TALKED TO AHMADINEJAD.

My God, the horror! No problem with running a homicidal theocratic terror-sponsoring police state, but "rudeness" is beyond the pale. He was certainly treated better than the staff of the American Embassy in Tehran.

One could argue that it is incumbent on any decent person to challenge evil where they find it. I have a lot of issues with Bollinger, but he comported himself here much better than I ever thought he would.

I still believe that giving Ahmadinejad this august forum confers a certain legitimacy on him which is entirely undeserved, and gave him a platform from which to spout propaganda. At least some of it was challenged.

Posted by: gravenimage at September 25, 2007 12:05 AM

eliasalucard:

You've said some pretty boneheaded things in past comments over the years, but this most recent one takes the cake.

I can't figure out if you're the equivalent of a high school dropout or just on lots of drugs.

Posted by: atheling at September 25, 2007 1:00 AM

graven,
I understand your take...on the surface they did seem hardball...at first...by the end of the week, after it's more carefully examined, the bottom line will yield a very different story.
I'll leave it at that for now...because it's coming.

Posted by: jcom972 at September 25, 2007 2:08 AM

"...I'm fairly convinced that there was a Holocaust, but I also must admit that I haven't done enough research myself on the subject to have an opinion about it." Posted by: EliasAlucard

I'm not saying this to be rude: Where did you go to school? I ask because, in Canada, we learn about the Holocaust in school. My child's class read "Hannah's Suitcase" in elementary school. She will read "The Diary of Anne Frank" in high school.

To add to Hugh's post, I have a large personal library of books concerning the Holocaust. I have read many other books and watched many documentaries. The information is available if you want to do the research.

Here are some websites (from my "Favourites" folder) that might be useful to you:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/holo.html

http://www.aish.com/holocaust/default.asp

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/12/14/60minutes/main2267927.shtml

http://www.ushmm.org/

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/vhi/

Posted by: Josephine at September 25, 2007 8:32 AM

"I strongly recommend that everyone attempt to open the link at the bottom of EliasAlucard's postings using Internet Explorer (not Firefox). What you read will be an education in hidden agendas." Posted by: Surak

I read your message too late. Whatever it was, it can't have been good.

Posted by: Josephine at September 25, 2007 8:54 AM

"WHY IS THAT WHEN A WHITE CHRISTIAN MAN SHOOTS UP A SCHOOL HES NOT A TERRORIST BUT WHEN A RADICAL "MUSLIM" SHOOTS UP A JOINT HE IMMEDIATELY BECOMES A TERRORIST. "

... While the Muslim killers cite the Qur'an (a Muslim religious book) as justification for the killings, the occassional crazed "white Christian Man "and it is unknown that he is in fact a Christian" usually cites dissatifaction with some other people or perceived injustice done to him...

....Islam is associated with Islamic terrorism because that is the association that the terrorists themselves choose to make.....

...when Islamic terrorists attack, they boast about it and refer to the Qur'an...quite often....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at September 25, 2007 9:46 AM

I would like to see a transcript some day soon.

Posted by: Pelayo at September 24, 2007 3:58 PM

Here is a transcript of baboon boy 's speech.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?messageid=441854&mpage=1&showdate=9/24/07&forum=1

The first thing he did...was call for the coming of the Mahdi." Did he really?

Posted by: Elric66 at September 24, 2007 3:22 PM

It's the first thing in the transcript. According to Glenn Beck (spit) he apparently now begins every speech with a supplication for the mahdi to appear soon.

Posted by: j_not_a at September 25, 2007 10:45 AM

Transcripts to both speeches are here:

http://www.theisraelproject.org/site/c.hsJPK0PIJpH/b.672581/k.CB99/Home.htm

Posted by: Josephine at September 25, 2007 11:43 AM

...is Ahmadinejads research anything like O.J. personal investigation to find out who killed his wife....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at September 26, 2007 8:39 AM

exsgt,
you could say that (in a manner of speaking- lexicon-ese)...
but instead of examining every golf course in a country to play through,
he's looking for every evidence source so, as his islamist allies are doing with other artifacts elsewhere, he can destroy the evidences that's been so "researched" to death as it is that the only thing more research will yield is MORE evidence and MORE deaths attributable to a holocaust he says never happened...

...just like he and his allies "research" sites at Temple Mount LOADED with artifacts that they themselves are being destroyed...
...just like Christian sites loaded with artifacts, and at times, even people...so they can destroy them...

voice of experience over the decades...
islamist lexicon means...
"research"= Target Aquisition

He, and his peers, kid nobody...this is nothing less than target aquisition of anything Jewish, to wipe it from the faceof the Earth...just so he can say "See? I told ya it didn't happen!"...soon to be followed with target aquisition of the people of Judaism...
...and when he's done with the *ahem* "jewish research", or may as well call it what he wants to call it: "The Jewish Question", he'll concentrate on his next "research" project...
the "Christian Question"...many of his lackeys are proceeding with that one with veracity, above and beyond even what the Romans desperately tried to do-and failed.

"research" is not in his plans at all.
"finding" the irrefutable proof, so he can destroy it IS.

The little munchkin is classic proof Eisenhower was right when he demanded everything be documented and filmed, because he knew someday many years later that someone will come along and try to say it never happened...and Ike was right...so was my great uncle Paul, who was one of Patton's G-2 at the time they came upon a camp: Buchenwald.
He also has the film duplicates, paper copies, and secondary documents handed down from family to family, (The originals are now at Yad Vashem, afterbeing handed over from the US Holocaust Museum here, Paul made duplicates of everything, and made sure the evidence will always be available) to prevent them from being "researched" (destroyed) by the naysayers. It holds some special significance to us for a reason...
MY maternal Grandmother had a sister, married a German, caught in the nazi years...no, they weren't Jewish (They were Roman Catholic), they were considered the ultimate enemy of the nazi state: German Resistance Fighters (yes, there actually were quite a few, pilot rescues, smuggling jews and others considered "untermenschen" out of harms way)
Uncle Paul later found that the British, who contcted him, tracked a number down that matched her name...at another camp called Bergen-Belsen. She apparently died there of typhus some time in March-April 1945.

Now ya know why my mortal hatred of all forms of socialism...all of them...and if its offshoot/offspring of islamofascism.

So yeah, I should mention, that maniacs like this mOslem munchkin hit kinda close to home...especially when he wants to *ahem* "research" ANYTHING.

I look forward to the day I can do REAL "reasearch" on Iminajihad...via AUTOPSY.

Posted by: jcom972 at September 26, 2007 5:28 PM

Surak wrote:

"I strongly recommend that everyone attempt to open the link at the bottom of EliasAlucard's postings using Internet Explorer (not Firefox). What you read will be an education in hidden agendas."
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EliasAlucard's comments on the Holocaust are pretty weak, and I address them in part above in a previous post.

I'm not sure the link to Firefox has anything to do with him, though. When I sign in to post, I get the message, "Unable to establish a secure connection to "www.typekey.com . . ."--this is probably because I use an outdated search engine version.

Well,as a result I get linked to all kinds of junk--import/expoert sites, porn--usually I don't even check. I imagine that this has confused or annoyed anyone who may have tried to contact me. For awhile I considered not posting anymore, or including a disclaimer at the end of each post, but it didn't seem worth it. Not sure if this is the case with EliasAlucard, but it might be.

Posted by: gravenimage at September 26, 2007 10:51 PM

Bottom line on the topic...
He HAS NO respect for infidels, so his claim is an outright lie, and everyone sees right through him.

Posted by: jcom972 at September 30, 2007 3:05 AM