Thanks Robert:

I'll view it in 6 hours, & throw my take on it.
(part of the points posts I've made last hour).
I'd like to see what you think of my conclusions...
(trained in interrogation techniques by the best, who's now retired & a MO state senator, Jon Dolan, former CIA at GitMo).

Posted by: jcom972 at September 24, 2007 5:05 PM

I didn't realize these were "shorts" so i can do these quick...

Iminajihad sat tightly in his chair (see my post in a previous thread on body language)...his stoned stature was that of an egotist trying to ignore direct questioning (almost to a degree of guilt).

On the gay question...
eyes blinking rapidly, fingers rubbing his face, especially around the mouth...VERY nervous, went from standing like his spine was a "pike pole", to a posture of pontification, the level flat hands, inside vertical ("bargaining"/pleading) indicates he is not only trying to convince his listeners, but trying to convince himself at the same time of what he's saying.

Every classic sign of someone who doesn't like it, but despite the seemingly harsh comments by the host, if he was really hammered, he would've displayed the "finality" gesture:
-thousand yard stare
-eyes widen well above normal
-lips tighten to straining
-hands clenched on whatever they were in contact with
you get the idea.
So far, yes he was nervous...no, he wasn't sufficiently confronted since the questions were quite "sanitized" (perhaps for public consumption, but "sanitized" to the point of near-lameness).
See my 3 "hammer" questions in the "thug" thread- that's what I mean by "hardball" questions.
(I'll pause here as it's not complete yet)...

Posted by: jcom972 at September 24, 2007 5:26 PM

I almost feel like Bollinger should have ended his opening statement to Ahmadinejad with...."Sucker"

I'll bet, if the Columbia alumni being held in Iran had access to Bollinger's opening remarks, and he had any hope of freedom, it's probably dashed now just on principle.

Posted by: billyoblog at September 24, 2007 5:26 PM

I have to say it, I wish the audience would have laughed at the baffoon earlier in his rant. The obsurd comment about homosexuals in Iran, shows how insane and futal it is to have dialog with the devil.

Posted by: HavTaSayIt at September 24, 2007 5:42 PM

The Bollinger opening statements could go down as the best thing in awhile for America. Someone of his stature finally said 'know your enemy' Bravo.

Posted by: sounder at September 24, 2007 5:48 PM

No homosexuals in Iran...?

Let's see, Arafat is not buried there, and the rest have all been executed.

Too bad the Columbia students did not bring the photo of the 2 gay men who were executed into the auditorium. Or the teenaged girl.

Some of these students were smart enough to be admitted to an Ivy League school yet unable to comprehend how the constitutional right to free speech does not apply to our enemies, especially in a time of war.

Posted by: CapitalistGig at September 24, 2007 5:52 PM

Robert, Hugh

It is slightly to one side but I have noticed
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Qur%27an_alone&printable=yes

and I am wondering if Muslims confined themselves to "Quran alone", whether that produces a sufficient reformation of Islam.

It still leaves Muslim history and some violent passages in the Quran to deal with but without some of the violence within the Hadith it is a good start.

I am wondering if it is a viable position.

Posted by: UK Infidel Lover at September 24, 2007 5:53 PM

WOW
Rick was right they did black it out!

Now why would they do that?

Giving this punk killer a platform to spue his lies just makes me sick. All I can see is those poor people hanging from light polls in Iran when ever I see this punk.

Guess the New Yorkers have forgotten the Attack on their city?

Where are the protesters we know Iran is sending weapons into Iraq to Kill Iraqis and Americans where is the anger?

Posted by: Catherine at September 24, 2007 5:55 PM

I read the transcript of Ahmadinejad's performance piece and that is exactly what it was. As a work of sugarcoated scatological sophistry it was a masterpiece. He has memorized and mastered Yassar Arafat's play book.

It will be interesting (in a nauseating sort of way) to hear what he has to say when he gets home...if he gets home.

Hey, I can dream can't I?

Posted by: USBeast at September 24, 2007 5:58 PM

Who is crazier, -the maniac who asks for a world platform -or the supposedly-educated cluck who gives it to him?

(BTW- Mahmoud is working very hard to make sure that there are no homosexuals in Iran, so this is more of a campaign pledge than an accomplished fact. But, give him and the mad mullahs time. They'll straighten Iran out, even if it means laying them out.)

Posted by: profitsbeard at September 24, 2007 6:08 PM

I'd have liked to ask the Nazi why does he think that "Mein Kampf" ranks second only to the KKKoran in book sales not only in Iran but the entire Middle East.

Followed by the "protocols of the Elders of Zion" by the way.

Least surprising [but most dismaying] was how much applause the Nazi Thug actually got here and there.

These "Columbians" treated him better than they treated the Minutemen.. the same Minutemen who are working tirelessly to ensure all our freedom - including a bunch of spoiled and deluded kollege-kidz.

Posted by: Allahfanculo at September 24, 2007 6:13 PM

This spectacle shows ImANut for what he is: 'A Nut', to the whole world so that both lefties and nighties can smell the same foul odor, for once together, in the same audience. Anyone with half a brain should now see very clearly what this Islamic Psychopath is about and what danger the world is truly in.

Posted by: sounder at September 24, 2007 6:16 PM

Amen to allahfanculo. I just knew that those dorks would applaude that jerk and give him a much better reception than Jim Gilchrist of the Minutemen.
Good essay on the talk in jpost.com by the editor, David Horovitz:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1189411477441&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Interesting question: Why so much anti-American sentiment in academia? My theory is that it dates from the Cold War with it's threat of nuclear annihilation. There's a psychological phenomenon known as the Societal Stockholm Syndrome, where people who are fearful identify with, and try to appease, an aggressor as a survival mechanism. That explains the adoption of so much Soviet propaganda among the Left. The same mentality persists with Islamofascism, since they have become the new intimidators.
But why so prevalent among intellectuals? Probably because they have the ability to rationalize their fears away more than most people.

Posted by: jewdog at September 24, 2007 6:28 PM

"It is slightly to one side but I have noticed
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Qur%27an_alone&printable=yes

and I am wondering if Muslims confined themselves to "Quran alone", whether that produces a sufficient reformation of Islam."
- from a posting above

Why would it? Isn't the Qur'an itself sufficiently menacing? Have you been reading Robert Spencer's "Blogging the Qur'an"? When some would-be Bright Young Reformer, say the youngish Turk Mustafa Akyol, proceeds to appropriate the language of the Protestant Reformation ("Christian envy" is a big part of the mental makeup of this kind of "reformer")and blithely discuss The Way Out through Qur'an alone, or "Sola Scriptura" -- that is, the dreamy idea that a billion Believers could be persuaded to stop reading the supposed words and deeds recorded in the sayings of Muhammad (the Hadith), indeed stop paying any attention to anything save the Qur'an itself. Of course they couldn't.

But suppose they could? The Qur'an alone (out of which the Hadith and the Sira were woven by imaginative spinners of tales) is enough to supply all the menace one needs.

You can find out more by googling "Mustafa Akyol" and "Jihad Watch" and "Posted by Hugh."

Posted by: Hugh at September 24, 2007 6:35 PM

Wow, Hugh...
That could be worthy of a thread unto itself.
Give it a thought...it would prove interesting.

Posted by: jcom972 at September 24, 2007 6:40 PM

Bollinger notes that Iran helped against Taliban but is trying to undermine (well, kill really) the US troops in Iraq. He forgets the Bosnia war. Clinton's administration happily cooperated with Iran in trying to harm the Serbs. It'd like to hear his thoughts on that. Maybe they weren't evil back then?

Posted by: SerbInfidel at September 24, 2007 6:49 PM

This from Bradford. Is islam involved?

http://itn.co.uk/news/65ae47b74ed0b5a5eb530d43792308ba.html

Posted by: Borg at September 24, 2007 6:50 PM

"Guess the New Yorkers have forgotten the Attack on their city?" Posted by: Catherine

I'm not sure I understand your comment. There were protests in Washington and New York.

Posted by: Josephine at September 24, 2007 7:02 PM

Here's my question.

Is this the third official invitation the U.S. has had from DinnerJacket to embrace Islam?

If so, doesn't that potentially have some significance?

Please correct me if I'm wrong. (My memory is lousy. And I think I can't add because, technically, some might consider that two questions instead of a two-parter, LOL.)

Posted by: Josephine at September 24, 2007 7:07 PM

Give Bollinger his due. I cannot say any other...

Perhaps he should not have been allowed on campus but then again our president let him in the country. I wish we would keep him out of the country but if we are going to let him in then we might as well face him.

Also some will say he is a liberal! Perhaps maybe but then again does it really matter? For once can an American just be an American. I am sick of this liberal/conservative dynamic. I am looking for Americans to stand up for Western Civilization.

Today to his credit he behaved like an American....good for him.

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at September 24, 2007 7:11 PM

i'm glad he came here. if we would have kept him out it would have given the european "nigel" marxists an excuse to hate the USA even more. we have shown the world that we allow free speech. this is good news. this Ahmadinejad has shown the world, today that he aligns himself with the Nazi regime of the 1940's. yet Europeans still took his side, go to any forum, the US is slandered yet Ahmadinejad is shown as a a human being glowing with reasoning and humility.

say that to the blooded women dragged from their cars for wearing lipstick in iran by so called "brave" islamic cops.

and we allowed him his 15 minutes of hate speech. i tip my hat to the USA. land of freedom and democracy. now piss off Ahmadinejad. i hope the gays rise up in your country and take you out.

but, if this fascist islamic idealology continues to take root in hte USA, then i suggest we stand up and "weed" it out. i refuse to stand idly by and watch this disgusting misogyny and hateful cult flourish in this beautiful nation.

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at September 24, 2007 7:21 PM

Oh, God, hasten the arrival of Imam al-Mahdi and grant him good health and victory and make us his followers and those to attest to his rightfulness. –Ahmedinejad’s opening line.

Is he talking about this?

"During the last times, my people will be afflicted with terrible and unprecedented calamities and misfortunes from their rulers, so much so that this vast earth will appear small to them. Persecution and injustice will engulf the earth. The believers will find no shelter to seek refuge from these tortures and injustices. At such a time, God will raise from my progeny a man who will establish peace and justice on this earth in the same way as it had been filled with injustice and distress."

Kind of hard to negotiate with a man who drives an old station wagon and wishes to spread persecution and injustice to all corners of the earth.

Posted by: pez at September 24, 2007 7:24 PM

Like I said elsewhere, the guy begins his speech with an invocation...do you honestly believe the same students would have allowed a Christian speaker to do the same without boos and hisses?
When the time comes, there will be a lot of LLLeftist reverts...cowards.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at September 24, 2007 7:30 PM

Wake up! Read media watchdog, Democracy Broadcasting's explanation of this textbook, psychological warfare - intended to weaken Americans' morale for defending Israel against Islamist onslaught - the next target of the Islamist's Jihad for regional and global domination.

Americans should remember Communist, Nazi, and British warfare psych-ops strategies in mollifying the enemy away from the justness of their cause. You're witnessing it each time Israel v Palestine is mentioned!

'Nothin' up my sleeve ... presto!'
- Bullwinkle J. Moose

Posted by: DemoCast at September 24, 2007 7:39 PM

The transcripts are here:

http://www.theisraelproject.org/site/c.hsJPK0PIJpH/b.672581/k.CB99/Home.htm

Posted by: Josephine at September 24, 2007 7:46 PM

The transcripts are here:

http://www.theisraelproject.org/site/c.hsJPK0PIJpH/b.672581/k.CB99/Home.htm

Posted by: Josephine at September 24, 2007 7:51 PM

(PLEASE POST THIS ANNOUNCEMENT AT OTHER WEBSITES)

The U.S. Senate Project (an initiative to increase congressional awareness of the nature and goals of jihad) currently has 91 volunteers in 41 states.

WE ARE STILL SEEKING ADDITIONAL CITIZEN VOLUNTEERS FROM ALL 50 STATES, ESPECIALLY THE FOLLOWING 10:

Connecticut
Delaware
Mississippi
Montana
North Dakota
Oklahoma
South Dakota
Vermont
West Virginia
Wyoming

THE PROJECT: We're looking for people in every state of the Union who would be willing to purchase, from Amazon or any other source, a copy of Robert Spencer's new book Religion of Peace? Why Christianity Is And Islam Isn't and mail it, on an agreed upon date, to one of the senators in your state. We want to get the book simultaneously to all 100 senators, in order to send a strong message. If we get more than two people per state, books can also be sent to the U.S. House of Representatives.

If you'd like to participate (or you just have questions), please write to me at traehnam@yahoo.com under the subject heading "Senate," and tell me the state your senator represents, and a nickname. No need for your real name. And I will never share your email address with anyone, not even with other volunteers for this project.

And visit jihadawareness.blogspot.com to get more info on this project and to leave comments other volunteers can read. You can also see there the growing list of participants in this project, and the states their senators represent. I've also designed a graphic that might amuse. Scroll down when you get to the site.

Once we have at least two people from every state, we can agree on a mailing date and then each of us can mail a copy of the book on that date.

Right before each of us mails the book, we’ll issue a press release to media outlets in as many states as possible, and in that way announce and explain the mailing. And perhaps we can come up with some other ways of maximizing the effectiveness of this project and gaining as much positive attention as possible.

One of the project's volunteers suggested contacting Rep. Sue Myrick, who started the Anti-Jihad Caucus in Congress. When we reach the goal of having all 100 senators covered, I'll call Rep. Myrick's office and see if she can help. I've called several congressional offices to get advice on how best to proceed.

Posted by: traeh at September 24, 2007 8:29 PM

I sounded really negative in my comment above. Clintonites are a bit off topic here. I actually liked his speech. It's especially surprising since it's coming from academia.

Thanks for the links Josephine.

Posted by: SerbInfidel at September 24, 2007 8:31 PM

The reception given Admadinejad was not all derisory laughter. His initial reply to Bolinger, whose speech was, and had to be under the circumstances that Bollinger himself had created (why invite Ahmadinejad in the first place? why create the controversy, the brouhaha, the whole silly and stupid affair?), necessarily hostile, was greeted by applause.

What appears to have been the high point of the derision was not, as it should have been, the denial of the Nazi genocide, but rather the denial that homosexuals exist in Iran. This may have been the way to the audience's heart, to get it to view Ahmadinejad correctly, but it is worrisome. Suppose he hadn't said that? Suppose he had simply said that "homosexuality" is considered a "sin" in many societies, or some such -- something just with that degree of plausibiity that the audience would not quite have known how to handle it or to react?

It is not heartening that women might be alarmed about "the treatment of women" in Islam, and focus only on that, or homosexuals worry about "the persecution of homosexuals" and focus only on that or this or that group of Infidels focus on how the particular religion or group they belong to is treated, and only on that. There has to be a recognition of a common menace, and a solidarity that comes from recognizing the Total System of Islam, as a menace to each of those groups (women, homosexuals, Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, scientists, painters, sculptors, musicians, and so on), a menace to everything that is Not-Islam and whic is either Forbidden in Islam, or relegated to an inferior status in Islam, or actively discouraged in Islam. That covers a lot of people and a lot of activities. And they should not be laughing at Ahmadinejad at his most egregious -- "we do not have homosexuals in Iran" -- but when he is being his sweetest and, on the surface, most reasonable. The opposition should be well-informed, relentless, and articulate.

Well, that derisory laughter no doubt will be, for some, useful, and perhaps one should simply pocket the gain, if at long last Ahmadinejad's denial on that matter opens a few thousand eyes-wide-shut eyes.

Posted by: Hugh at September 24, 2007 8:53 PM

a typical british poster on HYS "
Dont worry fox news does that all by themselves, and many americans think that they are fair and tell the truth, while all they do is make people scared, which really makes them hateful and they do it all day..." dave from manchester.

lets all forget about the women dragged from their cars and beaten. lets forget about religious rights trampled on lets all forget about homosexuals executed," IT'S ALL AMERICA'S FAULT NIGEL!"

as the muslims stated in the cartoons demo "europe 9/11 is on its way". yes and you will still blame america if london gets hit by a dirty bomb.

i'm disgusted with my fellow brits today, disgraceful. you lack backbone. instead of condoning iran many many brits supported irans visit.

you are a disgrace.

i'm considering burning my british passport and renouncing my citizenship.

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at September 24, 2007 9:06 PM

Monday, Sep. 24, 2007
Why Iran’s Ahmadinejad Loves New York
By Tony Karon

The Cheshire Cat smile worn by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad during his address at Columbia University on Monday was no surprise — the event was a resounding victory for the Iranian president. Of course, students and faculty in the hall jeered many of his comments, while protestors outside denounced him as the new Hitler. And Columbia University president Lee Bollinger — clearly stung by criticism of the institution for hosting Ahmadinejad — used his introduction to excoriate the Iranian leader as everything from a “cruel and petty dictator” to “astonishingly uneducated.” But all of this was merely grist for Ahmadinejad. The furor it had created ensured that what might have passed as a relatively obscure address in a small Ivy League auditorium turned into a national media event, in which the Iranian president had the microphone, unmolested, for the best part of an hour.

New York City Council Speaker Christine C. Quinn, had criticized Columbia for hosting Ahmadinejad, warning that “All he will do on that stage … is spew more hatred and more venom out there to the world.” Not quite. Despite the harsh words of his host, Bollinger, Ahmadinejad stayed on message, appearing relaxed, reasonable, open, even charismatic. Whether or not American TV audiences are seduced is beside the point, because Ahmadinejad’s primary audience is not American. The provocations of his New York visit are an integral part of his domestic political strategy, which depends on his ability to hold America’s national attention with an unapologetically nationalist message about Iran’s nuclear rights, lecturing them about God and their aim to run the world.

It was pure political ju-jitsu, using the momentum of your adversaries to your own advantage. The protestors got him on TV, and he used the platform to grandstand for the folks back home. He will share an even bigger global platform with President Bush on Tuesday, at the lectern of the U.N. General Assembly. The two men won’t appear together, of course, but each is making a pitch for international support in the showdown over Iran’s nuclear issue. But Ahmedinajad appeared to steal a march on Bush Monday by virtue of his televised propaganda show at Columbia.

Challenged on his statements questioning the Holocaust, for example, Ahmadinejad cleverly turned the issue around, asking, “Why is it that the Palestinian people are paying the price for an event they had nothing to do with?” That argument may not get much sympathy with an American audience, but championing the Palestinian cause helps Iran’s strategy of undermining the moderate Arab regimes allied with Washington.

Ahmadinejad’s primary audience, however, is in Iran, because — despite Bollinger’s assertion that he is a dictator — the Iranian president faces reelection in 2009. As things stand, his failure to deliver on the economic promises he made in his first campaign and the deterioration of Iran’s global position puts him at substantial risk of losing to the more pragmatic elements in the Iranian leadership, who are already campaigning against him. Playing the nuclear card as an expression of Iranian national pride has always been part of his domestic political game, and the breathless television coverage his visit has prompted in the U.S. won’t do his domestic prospects any harm.

Posted by: feralcat9 at September 24, 2007 9:14 PM

a collection of british forums, read the american denouncing "nigels".

sad

http://www.ukbusinessforums.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?p=313749

http://openforum.wordpress.com/2007/09/23/ahmadinejad-welcome-to-usa/#comments

http://www.politicsforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1328939&sid=f1fc778532c7898665fa5080d1256d78

http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?threadID=7476&&edition=2&ttl=20070925021523

makes me glad i dont have to live there anymore and put up with their putrid marxist tv propaganda anymore.

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at September 24, 2007 9:19 PM

Why let him in the country in the first place? We can complain about why Bollinger did what he did but the fact is the Persian Prince is here. Today King George stated his approval for the visit to Columbia. Better yet Condi said it would be a " Travesty" if Mahmoud Ahmadinejad would visit ground zero. REALLY! Do tell Condi! Here is a novel idea tell him "no you can't go". She acts like our goofball president has no power to stop him. That it is up to the locals. Bush said it himself...

Below from the AP Sept. 20th.

Q: Mr. President, Iran's president, Ahmadinejad, says he wants to go to ground zero and place a wreath there. There is some objection to that in New York. What are your thoughts?

BUSH: My thoughts are that the local police will make the proper decision, and that if they decide for him not to go, like it looks like they have, I can understand why they would not want somebody that's running a country who's a state sponsor of terror down there at the site.

He says "they"...I say "what about you!". Come on enough with this diplomatic crap. Mr. President just say you don't want him down there and he won't go down there.

How can I get angry over some president of an idiotic Ivy League school that everybody knows is a bastion of leftest nonsense when our glourious U.S. President can't even say the word..."no".

Yes the NYPD will stop him unless you want a outright revolt on your hands but why should they have to make the choice? Is not our president the one who should take this important command decision?

He wants to lead....well then lead...just say no and goodbye Mr. Ahmadinejad.

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at September 24, 2007 9:58 PM

Ineedajob would never have made it on Campus had his Motorcade been subjected to a Tomato Fest. It is considerably less harmfull than its alternitive while being increditably more insulting.

Protesting and Public comdemnation both failed to prevent Ineedajobs' Speech. Outright threats and acts of Violence are themselfs the Domain of the Radical left.

A respectablely conducted Tomato Toss gets the Message across just slightly better than sending a Dead Flower Arrangement to someone.

Tomatos on the Windshield How you going to see, Best that we get on out of here, befor they land on Me.

Posted by: flowerknife_us at September 24, 2007 10:05 PM

The great tayyqah feast ColumbiaU!

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at September 24, 2007 10:08 PM

greatcometof1577

'cos if we had refused him entry the entire world would have on their front pages "evil america". we let him in, he spilled his hate now he can piss off.

but we need to warn him, maybe with CIA agents that his life is in danger if he messes with the religious rights of individuals, persecutes gays, persecutes the jewish people or has his fascists pull women out of cars and beats them for wearing makeup.

the cia needs to do this "godfather" style.

pull him to one side, place him in a room. make him shit his pants.

but, i doubt this will ever happen.

maybe if we knew that in 1-2 years a nuclear bomb (or 2/3) will go off (or blackmail) then maybe our government who is meant to protect us will grow some balls and start looking out for us.

islamaberg needs to be extinguished tonight for example.

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at September 24, 2007 10:08 PM

"Guess the New Yorkers have forgotten the Attack on their city?" Posted by: Catherine

I'm not sure I understand your comment. There were protests in Washington and New York.

Posted by: Josephine at September 24, 2007 7:02 PM

Second guessing Catherine isn't easy, but maybe she was referring to the hard core cases of Bush Derangement Syndrome in the audience who applauded Ahmadinejad's "comebacks" about "root causes".

Posted by: waterdragon52 at September 24, 2007 10:39 PM

Lest anyone forget (or not know) of Ahminidead's inglorious past, please read the following brief column by Amil Ahmani, a courageous Iranian-born American citizen who knows EXACTLY what this guy is about and where he comes from.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/09/who_is_mahmoud_ahmadinejad.html

And make no mistake, as creepy and misguided as he seems to be, this guy is very much in earnest. And the important thing to recognize is that he is really just a puppet for the shadowy radical Islamist clerics who really run Iran with an iron fist over a largely unsympathetic nation that by vast percentages wants them all GONE. This is why I support the plans of Newt Gingrich and several other sage analysts who argue that the way to stop Iran is not by another "regime change" a la Iraq, but through a systematic and intelligent support of the dissidents who can overthrow him in a supposed "Velvet Revolution."

Posted by: JohnAdams at September 24, 2007 11:06 PM

"Well, that derisory laughter no doubt will be, for some, useful, and perhaps one should simply pocket the gain, if at long last Ahmadinejad's denial on that matter opens a few thousand eyes-wide-shut eyes."

Posted by: Hugh at September 24, 2007 8:53 PM

Agreed 100%. Apparently, the value of letting the Islamist speak for himself far outweighs any commentary we could ever have about him.

What is also apparent is how on this Earth could his previous statements have gone unnoticed and uncomprehended? Islam is Islam. It always was, and probably always will be, as is. Ahmadinejad is simply being forthcoming. Maybe now, after all the hoopla at Columbia, those who choose to ignore his words because it simply is unpleasant to do so, will think otherwise.

Maybe.

Posted by: awake at September 24, 2007 11:29 PM

The irony is that the only reason that they are able to sit in the room with him is the US armed forces. They know that Ack would not dare attack them precisely because of our military. They don’t like our military but they hide behind them. They would never admit it but they know that the US military throughout time have been the preservers of free speech for us all. No military, no Columbia, no mini Hitler, no speech. So enjoy your free speech jokers you owe everything you did today to the US military, I love it when things work out this way. I would have liked to see Ack step down from the podium towards them. No doubt they would have gone to the bathroom in their pants just before they stampeded toward the exits.

Posted by: tgusa at September 25, 2007 12:17 AM

"Before President Ahamadinejad's address, Colombia University Chancellor in a brief address told the audience that they would have the chance to hear Iran's stands as the Iranian President would put them forth. He said that the Iranians are a peace loving nation, they hate war, and all types of aggression."
-Islamic Republic News Agency

Crimethinker Bollinger duckspeak doubleplus ungood. Dayorder Miniluv via Youth League contact Bollinger and faggots with Steamer speedwise.

Posted by: pez at September 25, 2007 12:19 AM

aderjamn stated that there are no homosexuals in iran...........

coul it be.........because islam and iran have executed all homesexuals that they have discovered????????

Posted by: Texican at September 25, 2007 12:23 AM

After going through this...*ahem*...thing, of hosting this terrorist whack job, I needn't go any further than most everyones initial gut instincts...
It WAS a dog & pony show...what tipped me off wasn't Iminajiahd...it was bollinger.
A total orchestrated script...

Bollinger's actions indicated he paused periodically, not to catch breath, or turn a page, but to look at the audience, BEFORE their reactions most of the time (especially at the start), as if to seek approval...as if multiple "wag the dog"s taking place intermittently.

Now knowing the history of this re-education camp masquerading as a university, and the reeking blatant double-standards was one thing (it's ok to claim free speech for a terrorist nutjob, but Minutemen disinvited for October 6, and ROTC on campus is forbidden, 'nuf sed), but this?

Yes, he was initially nervous, but as it went on (and on and on and on with "hardball" questions that were anything BUT) the lunatic became more and more relaxed as it went on...
...clearly not the actions of a narcissistic magalomaniacal psychopath that Iminajihad is documented to be, and let's face it...
such mental disorders as the munchkin do NOT... EVER...risk going anywhere if their charade could be exposed...that is N-E-V-E-R done...EVER.
Some have "tried" but it turned out to be a circus show as well...they would've walked off in a heartbeat and everyone knows it.
The terrorist stuck it out...that right there alone says something was amiss...either
1) the questions were softballs masqueraded
2) the whole thing was scripted & interpreter collusion
3) both-hence, dog&pony show

I've seen charades before...but this takes the cake, above and beyond anything I've ever seen...and that covers a LOT of timeframe: decades....
...though the initial impressions seemed to be pleasing to the audience, in the end, this will prove just another "show trial" by people engaged in desperate face-saving measures to make up for their long-demonstrated militant political tilt.
Bollinger pandered to the paleolithic (yes, Glenn Beck was dead-to-rights on this one) mentalities, knowing it would appeal to the...errr, "more rambunctious" of the crowd, and he hoped to shut up any further (and long-well-deserved) criticism of his clique, as it sustained ENORMOUS damage control, even BEFORE this crap was even conceived.
(See David Horowitz's http://www.discoverthenetwork.org & the myriad of exposures of "columbia university"- it's overwhelming on "cu"s bent, and double-standards)

Before I even got to it, many had already refused to buy this "Iminajiah got grilled" show.
So Iminajihad didn't give the charade away...
Bollinger did...and in the worst possible disingenuous way imaginable.

Bollinger is not the ideal *ahem* person to confront that wacko...this garbage didn't impress me one bit...
The idea person in the ideal REALLY NEUTRAL setting is obvious and would have been REALLY impressive.

So who would be the ideal person to host a REAL "forum" that's genuine?
Simple, let's see if he can stand up to REAL "hardball" questions by REAL people who know how to host REAL conferences:

John Bolton
(10 to 1 the terrorist wouldn't give such REAL-world reality specialists the time of day, let alone the guts to face his questions, which can cut right to the chase...something such megalomaniacal narcissistic psychopaths are deeply loathe, and too paranoid, to do)
It won't happen, because such lunatics will NEVER show face at ANYTHING they have less-than-total control over...and that's all there is to it.

Iminajihad failed in his propaganda
Bollinger failed in his damage control scheme
This whole thing was (as I said before seeing it) window dressing, nothing more...no matter how good it was played off.

Look for this thing to be torn to pieces as it should be over the next few days.
Just watch...

Posted by: jcom972 at September 25, 2007 1:55 AM

Ahmadinejad’s “answer” to the question about homosexuality in Iran: “We don’t have this problem in Iran.”

Technically, Ahmadinejad is speaking the truth. They dont - atleast not a known one. Once they do know, the gays are hanged- and then again there is no problem.

Posted by: DP111 at September 25, 2007 6:24 AM

...a roving street reporter stopped a blonde bimbo student attending the university and asked:

"How do you feed about the visit of the Iranian President Ahmadinejad?"

....she replied, "I think it is wonderful that we invited him to speak and perhaps it would be good that we learn to negotiate with him...If we negotiate with the Muslims, we could end the violence..."

.....obviously a supporter of Hillary.....gag....what do they study in college....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at September 25, 2007 6:31 AM

jcom972

You are right. This was really a show, and really damage limitation for CU.

In times of sustained peace, it may be alright but in time of war, I'm surprised that CU does not allow ROTC representation on campus.

Posted by: DP111 at September 25, 2007 6:32 AM

"I'm surprised that CU does not allow ROTC representation on campus.

Posted by: DP111"

oh really?....but the colleges do allow the following groups to be active on the campuses:

American Muslim Alliance (AMA), Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA), Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), Muslim Alliance in North America (MANA), Muslim American Society (MAS), Muslim Ummah of North America (MUNA), Muslim Student Association-National (MSA-N), Project Islamic Hope (PIH), and United Muslims of America (UMA) ..

....you see, many American Educators are true Dhimmis...did you know, the professors will fail a student if the student writes a well documented and well written pro-American paper.

....If you praise Islam , you just may pass....

....if you support the military, you will fail...

....if you support counter terrorism activities, you will fail....

....if you support anyone other than the dhimmicrats, you will fail...

.....think i am wrong?....go talk to some young college students and inquire about such things....you just may be surprised

Posted by: exsgtbrown at September 25, 2007 6:51 AM

SerbInfidel -- You're most welcome.

That was my first phantom double posting. I *know* I only clicked once on "send".

Posted by: Josephine at September 25, 2007 7:29 AM

waterdragon52 -- Thanks.

Posted by: Josephine at September 25, 2007 7:33 AM

"...(trained in interrogation techniques by the best, who's now retired & a MO state senator, Jon Dolan, former CIA at GitMo)." Posted by: jcom972

Very interesting! Thanks for your comments re. the body language of those on the tapes.

Posted by: Josephine at September 25, 2007 9:45 AM

Cox & Forkum has a new cartoon about this:

http://www.coxandforkum.com/

Posted by: Josephine at September 25, 2007 10:37 AM

Thanks,Josephine,
but ya don't need me to see this was nothing more than an exercise in PR damage control by bollinger's bums.
It all appeared pleasing to the masses...
-it appeared the audience was hostile
-it appeared bollinger was hostile
-it appeared to soothe some ruffled feathers
-it appeared to vindicate "cu"s previous reputation

Until this backbreaker...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MvAChuF4i8
Hmmm, applause,albeit light...but more importantly, if it was that hostile, the applause shoul've been drowned out...there wasn't a peep from the "hostile" audience. (alarm bells going off like a klaxon).

David Horowitz beat me to it
http://www.frontpagemag.com/blog/Default.aspx
So did Bill O'Reilly
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297964,00.html
If nothing else, those two nailed it...

The winners?
-ego of the masses...short term
-columbia u...short term
-the MSM...short term
-political correctness...long term
The losers?
-common sense
-reality
-human brain cells after watching this

As for Iminajihad? nothing's changed...
-those that love him love him more
-those that hate him hate him more
no..nothing's changed at all, save two...
-the short-term reputation downfall of columbia u, and that was only slowed down...not stopped.
-the masses were soothed for a few hours

Not since the days of Hitler's putsch trial (where he made a mockery of the trial by turning it into a curcius show, appearing to turn the tables on the legal system) has anything like this been seen, even the OJ trial wasn't THIS big a circus.

This was, for all intents and purposes, a well-orchestrated, well-scripted soap opera, that would have put the efforts of Joseph Goebbels to shame.
Thus, my take...
-window dressing
-PR damage control by "cu"

Nothing more...nothing less.

Posted by: jcom972 at September 25, 2007 11:53 AM

leonthepigfarmer

Not all Brits. This Nigel is just one more in the millions brainwashed by the BBC, that Muslims can do no wrong, and it is the fault of America and the Jews who control it.

Posted by: DP111 at September 25, 2007 4:24 PM

exsgtbrown

It is surprising that a time of war, ROTC is noit allowed but radical Muslim groups are.

What a travesty of the liberal philosophy - It was never meant to be so, but it has been corrupted by the LLL crowd, as they have corrupted and debased virtually everthing they have touched.

Posted by: DP111 at September 25, 2007 4:29 PM

welcome to the wonderful world of political correctnes, which replaced its age-old absolute opposite called common sense.

(good point DP111, even old world liberals aren't this crazy)
No surprise about it...
we get what we tolerate.

Posted by: jcom972 at September 25, 2007 5:05 PM

Watching and listening to Ahmadinejad, as he completely ignored the questions he was asked, reminded me of the movie version of Best Little Whorehouse in Texas.

My favorite number in the musical is one performed by Charles Durning, who plays the governor of Texas. The name of the tune is "The Sidestep." Of course, it's more comical to watch Mr. Durning doing the sidestep in a movie, than to watch Ahmadinejad do it at CU.

He did turn the Holocaust denial issue into one involving the suffering Palestineans, after his pleas that more research is "necessary" to explore what happened and why, lost traction. And yes, this should have been an issue to be audibly condemned.

At this point, he was doing some fancy dancing, and I hope anyone who views his performance recognizes this.

Softball questions? Yes, because they were open ended questions. Ideally, they should all have been "yes" or "no" and posed by children.

Mr. Ahmadinejad, can women wear whatever they want, in Iran? Can they drive cars? If there is a man to drive, do women have to sit in the back seat? Do you punish women who have been raped?

Well, okay. That last one might not have made it into the Q and A. Nor, unfortunately would the questions about homosexuality. Too bad someone didn't ask him WHY there is no homosexuality in Iran.

Why do you execute so many people in Iran, every year, Mr. Ahmadinejad?

Funny how the hardball questions would have been the simplest ones.

Posted by: Abscedere at September 25, 2007 7:05 PM

I purposely AVOIDED listening to this horrible individual, Ahmadinejad. He has nothing to say that I care to listen to. What is more, as a Muslim operating under Islamic law he is EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN to tell non-Muslims the truth about anything(although occasionally he does probably let something true escape his lips and then try to "correct" himself with a subsequent contradictory statement or quip). So there's clearly no point in listening to him.

As for "fun," there's people that think playing with fanged cobras is fun too. I think playing with cobras is probably a lot MORE fun than listening to hearing our thug, "a mighty nut job" characteristically dribble typically insane garbage out of his ugly trap.

Posted by: pythagoras at September 25, 2007 10:44 PM

I purposely AVOIDED listening to this horrible individual, Ahmadinejad. He has nothing to say that I care to listen to. What is more, as a Muslim operating under Islamic law he is EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN to tell non-Muslims the truth about anything(although occasionally he does probably let something true escape his lips and then try to "correct" himself with a subsequent contradictory statement or quip). So there's clearly no point in listening to him.

As for "fun," there's people that think playing with fanged cobras is fun too. I think playing with cobras is probably a lot MORE fun than listening to hearing our thug, "a mighty nut job" characteristically dribble typically insane garbage out of his ugly trap.

Posted by: pythagoras at September 25, 2007 10:45 PM

Ya didn't miss a damned thing, pythagoras...
The usual BS...

"durka durka"
"submit or die"
"F U Infidels", and my favorite...
"Surrender, Dorothy!"
Only scary part is he really means it.
S.S.D.D.

Posted by: jcom972 at September 25, 2007 11:03 PM

Ahmadinejad is so ugly I could scream. He makes the wicked witch of the west look beddable!

Posted by: pythagoras at September 26, 2007 3:15 PM

>DP111 wrote:

>In times of sustained peace, it may be alright >but in time of war, I'm surprised that CU does >not allow ROTC representation on campus.

It's true that many Ivy League colleges (e.g. Harvard and Yale) do not allow ROTC or military recruiters on campus. Their stated reason is that the "don't ask, don't tell" policy amounts to discriminatory hiring practices.

However, elite NPR wants the military to pay for veterans' education at any college they choose:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=14715263

"GI Bill's Impact Slipping in Recent Years
Morning Edition, September 26, 2007 · At the end of World War II, the GI Bill helped create a new "middle class" in America, allowing those who served a chance for an education. The bill's legacy is still tangible, but today the funds it offers barely meet veterans' expenses."

So the NPR view is that the military is not allowed to set foot on campus but the taxpayer's money is always welcome.
--
CTYank

Posted by: CTYankee at September 26, 2007 10:33 PM

It's Neo-PAPaganda Radio...former home of nina "totenkopf" totenberg.
'nud sed

I'm surprsed anyone still listens to that stuff,being since, ratings-wise, they're on life-support...lol

Posted by: jcom972 at September 27, 2007 1:32 AM

This guy has a great take on the columbia charade.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=4B6D065C-8271-4651-A3A5-60609794613C
Just goes to show who's the real losers in this.

Posted by: jcom972 at September 27, 2007 5:52 PM

Oh please spare me your bleeding hearts and your freedom loving viewpoints on the rights of gay people in Iran. Gay people have heard it all before. 'Gay people should be as free in Iran as they are in the USA' you all shout. 'How dare the idiot President of Iran claim that there are no gay people in Iran' you in the USA all declaim.

So, what about the Defense of Marriage Act that prohibits any recognition of gay relationships for immigration purposes, thus forcing many American citizens either to live outside of their own country to be with their partner or live in separation from the person with whom they want to spend their lives. Not only European countries, but numerous developing countries, now recognize gay relationships for immigration purposes because they refuse to place their gay citizens in that wrenching predicament. In the UK we have proper, legally recognised, Civil Partnerships which confer all the rights necessary and needfully equal to heterosexual marriage - not in the USA though where President Bush has called hate crime legislation for the gay community unnecessary and will probably veto a Department of Defence budget bill in order to block the gay hate crimes law which the Senate tagged onto it: talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face, eh!

Whilst I'm on my high horse just lets remember the formal position of the Texas Republican Party - the party of George Bush and Tom DeLay and Rick Perry - in 2006 regarding homosexuals in their state:

"Homosexuality should be a crime - gay people should go to prison for having sex with their partners." They demanded that Congress block the courts from ruling that the U.S. Constitution protects gay people from being imprisoned for the 'crime' of homosexuality. And they believe, and stated, that gay people should be denied custody of children, presumably even their own children, strictly for being gay.

How dare you, how dare any US citizen, criticise the President of Iran for holding exactly the same views about gay people as they do?

When you bring yourselves into line with true free thought and freedom then you can use this idiot's rantings against gay people in the propaganda war. In the meantime you are nothing more than pots calling kettles black and I, and most gay people, have absolutely no respect for you.

Posted by: OliverPCamford at September 27, 2007 11:25 PM

Uh, and go to

http://www.dnamagazine.com.au/articles/news.asp?news_id=3289

and read the article and look at the pictures!

Matthew Shepard would have known how this felt - not that any of you so called moral-majority right-wingers could give a toss, I suppose!

Most of you will have no idea and you probably couldn't care less if you tried.

We, in Europe, will pluck the mote from our eye when you remove the beam from your's.

Posted by: OliverPCamford at September 28, 2007 12:06 AM

*ahem*
...getting back to the RELEVANT matter on topic...
This is the real reason for the charade at columbia (read that as face-saving desperation, which we now know, failed, as predicted)...
http://www.terrorismawareness.org/islamic-bigotry/73/islamic-bigotry/
...too may are onto these collaborators, and thus, their desperate and over-the-top & beyond-the-pale diatribes, which exceeded even the most diehard Traditionalist's expectations of reaction.

Posted by: jcom972 at September 28, 2007 11:28 PM