Nothing will stop those Interfaith Dialoguists. No presentation of the evidence, no appeal to logic, or common sense, or to a minimal sense of self-preservation. Nothing. The Church of Interfaith Goodness does not care about facts. It exists in a different, higher, better, universe -- a universe that we have only to will by behaving as if it exists, and so it will come to pass. It's quite a theory. There is no evidence that it has ever succeeded before, but there's always hope. And that's the point. There's always....hope.

Posted by: Hugh at September 26, 2007 5:34 PM

Greetings:

Moral Superiority - the cocaine of the 21st Century

Posted by: 11B40 at September 26, 2007 5:48 PM

Plant those Gharqad trees!

Posted by: profitsbeard at September 26, 2007 5:59 PM

Re: Cleveland: Meet the new imam, same as the old imam

Because we live in "The Age of Propaganda" it is very difficult for people to think independently or to recognize facts as facts. This is a phenomena of the 20th century that may cease in the 21st century because of the Internet (may it remain uncontrolled by government or corporations). Even "intellectuals" (John Derbtrotter, e.g. or Denesh Lalapoluzza) can't accept facts. (The propaganda is a drug.)

The mandates to Jihad are in Islam-they are not in the other religion's doctrines. What don't you understand about that because the drug of propaganda has warped your senses Derbytrotter and Lalapoluzza?

Posted by: Frank at September 26, 2007 6:02 PM

Dear Mr. Spencer:

What is a "Gharqad tree" ? Just curious.

Respectfully,
an Infidel

Posted by: Laughs_at_Silly_Jihadis at September 26, 2007 6:10 PM

Of course he condemns terrorism (that dome upon his own from infidels, that is), especially terrorism by his buddies that failed.
...not really hard to figure him out...

Posted by: jcom972 at September 26, 2007 6:22 PM

I am convinced that propaganda has a similar affect on brain function as drugs. The fact that people like the Moe Howard "distinguished professor" Doktor Karl Ernst, Derbytrotter and Lalapoluzza use the word "islamophobe" tell me that the unquestioned acceptance of this propaganda term is because of the propaganda-drug. Drugs interfere with logical reasoning and retreat from reality. Maybe these people need a 12 step program to get off the propaganda-drug. Meet the new boss-same as the old boss Goebbels.

http://video.google.com/videosearch?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2007-37,GGLJ:en&q=meet+the+new+boss,+same+as+the+old+boss&um=1&sa=N&tab=wv

Posted by: Frank at September 26, 2007 6:33 PM

Mein Kampf is the roadmap on that one.

Posted by: jcom972 at September 26, 2007 6:38 PM

No doubt Christian and Jewish interfaith groups will embrace imam Fawaz Damra in a misguided outreach to the Muslim community. And no doubt imam Damra will gladly join them in the farce.

It's wonder that the trees and rocks aren't crying out this very moment at the stupidity of our American clergy.

Posted by: rational at September 26, 2007 6:46 PM

Does anyone know which sect of Islam AQ Khan belongs to? This is the so called father of the Islamic nuclear program from Pakistan. Is this Cleveland Imam from the same sect? Can you feel the love? I am a phobic for asking, right?

Posted by: walkersvilleproud at September 26, 2007 6:49 PM

JihadWatch: Get off the islamophobia propaganda drug. Just say No to propaganda.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkTQU2TYgm8

Posted by: Frank at September 26, 2007 6:54 PM

Note that it is acceptable within Islam to lie to infidels, if it furthers the cause. I think that's the key to this Imam being the same as the old one.

Posted by: Muzzl'em at September 26, 2007 7:28 PM

The enemy of freedom is in our midst. Those who want us dead or Muslim are training in camps right here in the U.S. without interference from anyone or anything. The time is nearing when those "trainees", will begin using their newly acquired skills to kill those who will not submit.
How, when the killing begins, are we to tell a "good Muslim" from a "bad Muslim"? When war has been waged in the past based on religion, soldiers in that war did not stop to determine if the person they were about to kill was actively involved in the conflict or not. If they were standing on the wrong side they were killed.
If the Jihadis have their way, and real war breaks out on religious grounds, Muslims and non-Muslims will have a choice forced upon them. The desire to survive, to live, will force people to pick a side, so to speak. Submit or fight for freedom.
That fight will occur in your home and mine. The threat is local, not in some foreign land. How will you tell friend from foe? Will you be able to tell the "good Muslim" from the one that wants you dead?
I've said this before...when a field is full of wheat and weeds, it is not possible to kill only the weeds. The entire field is plowed under and all plants perish. This is the only practical way to deal with the problem. The good die with the bad. Did all the citizens of Hiroshima support the war? Likely not. Yet they all suffered and died. (Yes, I know there were survivors.) No warning was given for the "good" to separate themselves from the "bad". This is the nature of war.
What will "moderate" Muslims do in the midst of the war that is at our door? I think I know. It's human nature at work isn't it?
Are you prepared to do what is required of you to survive? Are you prepared to keep what is yours, including your life, from those who would take it from you? The tide is rising. Will you survive? To keep the peace one must prepare for war, AND be prepared to wage it.
What a pity that God is to be used once again as an excuse for an attempt by one group of humans to dominate another.

Posted by: Alaskan at September 26, 2007 7:55 PM

"Does anyone know which sect of Islam AQ Khan belongs to?"

Asked by: walkersvilleproud
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Khan was born in 1935 into a middle-class Mohajir/Pashtun Muslim family in Bhopal, British India, which migrated to Pakistan in 1952. He is a Sunni.

Posted by: Provoslavni at September 26, 2007 8:42 PM

(PLEASE POST THIS ANNOUNCEMENT AT OTHER WEBSITES)

The Jihad Awareness Project (to wake up the U.S. Senate) currently has 94 volunteers in 42 states.

WE ARE STILL SEEKING ADDITIONAL CITIZEN VOLUNTEERS FROM ALL 50 STATES, ESPECIALLY THE FOLLOWING 8:

Connecticut
Delaware
Mississippi
Montana
North Dakota
South Dakota
Vermont
West Virginia

THE PROJECT: We're looking for people in every state of the Union who would be willing to purchase, from Amazon or any other source, a copy of Robert Spencer's new book Religion of Peace? Why Christianity Is And Islam Isn't and mail it, on an agreed upon date, to one of the senators in your state. We want to get the book simultaneously to all 100 senators, in order to send a strong message. If we get more than two people per state, books can also be sent to the U.S. House of Representatives.

If you'd like to participate (or you just have questions), please write to me at traehnam@yahoo.com under the subject heading "Senate," and tell me the state your senator represents, and a nickname. No need for your real name. And I will never share your email address with anyone, not even with other volunteers for this project.

And visit jihadawareness.blogspot.com to get more info on this project and to leave comments other volunteers can read. You can also see there the growing list of participants in this project, and the states their senators represent. I've also designed a graphic that might amuse. Scroll down when you get to the site.

Once we have at least two people from every state, we can agree on a mailing date and then each of us can mail a copy of the book on that date.

Right before each of us mails the book, we’ll issue a press release to media outlets in as many states as possible, and in that way announce and explain the mailing. And perhaps we can come up with some other ways of maximizing the effectiveness of this project and gaining as much positive attention as possible.

One of the project's volunteers suggested contacting Rep. Sue Myrick, who started the Anti-Jihad Caucus in Congress. When we reach the goal of having all 100 senators covered, I'll call Rep. Myrick's office and see if she can help. I've called several congressional offices to get advice on how best to proceed.

Posted by: traeh at September 26, 2007 9:40 PM

There's always....hope.

Posted by: Hugh at September 26, 2007 5:34 PM

With the president parrotting Izlum is Peace', at the drop of the hat, what hope do you have?

Posted by: Alert at September 26, 2007 9:42 PM

Laughs_at_Silly_Jihadis, Gharqad tree:

http://mickhartley.typepad.com/blog/2005/10/muslim_science.html

Posted by: Pelayo at September 26, 2007 10:04 PM

The effort against jihad and the spread of Islamic law is a good challenge. It can help one to learn steady morale, even in the face of poor-seeming odds. Maybe the best cure for low morale is to get involved and do something.

Was Fukuyama ever wrong about the end of history! He thought liberal democracy had won decisively! He didn't notice what is currently creeping into Europe.

Posted by: traeh at September 26, 2007 10:48 PM

"There's always....hope.

Posted by: Hugh at September 26, 2007 5:34 PM

With the president parrotting Izlum is Peace', at the drop of the hat, what hope do you have?"
-- from a posting above

You have misunderstand. That "there's always...hope" is not spoken by me. It is what those Interfaith Dialoguists must tell themselves, as they continue to ignore the evidence, continue to ignore logic, common sense, a sense of self-preservation.

Posted by: Hugh at September 26, 2007 11:03 PM

"O Muslim there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him, except the Gharqad tree which will not say, for it is the tree of Jews."

Let it be known: I AM A GHARQAD TREE!!!!!

Posted by: Allahfanculo at September 27, 2007 12:09 AM

Ahh is not that a sure sign of paganism, with trees talking like they are a spirit or something???

Another sign of the true roots of Islam sunk deep in previous paganism that ruled Mecca?

Posted by: SoteriA at September 27, 2007 12:55 AM

Don't know about the Gharqad trees but there is a reference to something like this when Jesus entering Jerusalem a week before he was crucified. Of course the imam and most muslims would say the this passage has be change. How do they know that? It is the height of presumption that assume the text is incorrect.

Notice we non-muslims don't say that the koran has been changed. As a matter of fact we are trying to get people to just read a little of it to see what it really says. Now I know that the koran is not the word of God. I am willing to let anyone read the true word of God and judge for themselves. I promise not to hurt or threaten you if you don't agree.

As far as the verse below. I think the stones would have talked because God can do anything he wants. The important note, is that the rocks would have said "BLESSED IS THE KING WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD"

Luk 19:37-40
As soon as He was approaching, near the descent of the Mount of Olives, the whole crowd of the disciples began to praise God joyfully with a loud voice for all the miracles which they had seen, shouting: "BLESSED IS THE KING WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD; Peace in heaven and glory in the highest!" Some of the Pharisees in the crowd said to Him, "Teacher, rebuke Your disciples." But Jesus answered, "I tell you, if these become silent, the stones will cry out!"

لوك 19:37-40
حالما يقترب قرب النسب من جبل الزيتون ، كلها حشد من التوابع الحمد لله بدا مبتهجا مع بصوت عال لجميع المعجزات التي شهدت ، الصيحه : "تبارك الملك الذي يأتي في باسم الرب ؛ السلام في السماء والمجد في اعلى! " بعض من الفريسيين في الحشد قال له : "المعلم التوبيخ التوابع الخاصة بك". ولكن يسوع ، فأجاب "اقول لك ، اذا اصبحت هذه الصامتة ، حجارة سوف تصرخ"!

Posted by: Im.mad.as.HELL! at September 27, 2007 1:20 AM

"condemning terrorism while having ties to terror groups"....from headline.

Standard operating procedure.

Posted by: champ at September 27, 2007 1:38 AM

I've been curious about the Gharqad tree as well - glad to see this discussion having come up.

Googling it, I came across this, and even see a photo of Bibi Netanyahu planting one. I'm no biologist, but it seems to be called the boxthorn tree in English. By the look of the sapling in the photo, didn't look like it could hide anyone, even Jews, but what do we know? We didn't write no hadiths

Posted by: Infidel Pride at September 27, 2007 2:03 AM

lol @ topic...

"interfaith dialogue"=kumbaya kids

Sic Vis Pacem, Parabellum

Posted by: jcom972 at September 27, 2007 2:11 AM

allahfanculo - loved your post -

"'O Muslim there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him, except the Gharqad tree which will not say, for it is the tree of Jews.'

Let it be known: I AM A GHARQAD TREE!!!!!"

Me too.

Y'know, that would make a great T-shirt design - just print on the front, "I am a Gharqad tree".

If I could get a T-shirt like that I know I'd wear it.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at September 27, 2007 6:26 AM

Pelayo,

http://mickhartley.typepad.com/blog/2005/10/muslim_science.html

That some actually believe that, or tell others that they believe that, is just beyond rational thought.

Actually engaging someone else in a drawn out discussion about the vocal abilities of inanimate objects boggles my mind.

That article makes me wonder if, in a thousand years, Islam can ever reform.

Posted by: PRCS at September 27, 2007 7:13 AM

I shake my head in disbelief when the phrase "Moderate Muslim" is mentioned. When will y'all learn that there is no such thing as a "moderate Muslim"!!!??? They all read the same Qur'an, the book that tells them to be deceptive, lie with a straight face if it protects Islam, prepare to take over America by buying property, buying businesses, getting important jobs, running for office etc. etc. (Ever notice how many women in hijab or scarf are now working at grocery stores, banks, pharmacies?)

Thousands, maybe millions of Muslims already live in this country. They may seem moderate, impress us with their intelligence, neighborliness, generosity and kindness. They pretend to hate terrorists, and say they love this country. BUT THEY DON'T FOOL ME FOR ONE MINUTE!!!! They are not going to tell us their plans. They can hightail it to Canada if things get hot. I've been in the home of some "moderate Muslims" and their biggest outlay is a gigantic TV which gets Al Jazeera and foreign stations. Very little but high quality furniture - nothing that they would be sad to leave behind if they had to.

Come on Americans, don't be idiots! wake up! There is no such thing as a "moderate Muslim!!" They are all deceptive.

Posted by: youngtimer at September 27, 2007 11:58 AM

I keep saying to my friends that the only 'good' or 'moderate' muslim is a non-practising one (so not really a muslim after all) because all true muslims are bound by the qu'ran and are therefore the sworn enemies of democracy, honesty and humanity ... all I get in return is abuse and condemnation, and accusations of 'racism' by people who KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ISLAM, THE QU'RAN OR EVEN MO HIMSELF!
But as we lay dying with our throats cut, or our limbs blown off in a suicide bombing, will I have the last laugh? And by that time, will anything matter anyway?
The indolent masses WANT to believe the left-leaning, multicultural, disingenuous idiots and love to join with them in mouthing platitudes such as 'islam is a religion (untrue) of peace (untrue)'.
The gullible REFUSE to believe that such EVIL actually EXISTS and that it is named ISLAM; and they will not make even the slightest effort to seek out the facts because, as 'open-minded' i.e. non-racist people, they already, in their opinion, know all that they need to know about the 'few islamic extremists' who bring 'the religion of peace' into disrepute! How often does one's pastor state: "I have Muslim friends and acquaintances and they are GOOD PEOPLE!"?
I am beginning to despair of my fellows.

Posted by: meekee at September 27, 2007 3:42 PM

I keep saying to my friends that the only 'good' or 'moderate' muslim is a non-practising one (so not really a muslim after all) because all true muslims are bound by the qu'ran and are therefore the sworn enemies of democracy, honesty and humanity ... all I get in return is abuse and condemnation, and accusations of 'racism' by people who KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ISLAM, THE QU'RAN OR EVEN MO HIMSELF!
But as we lay dying with our throats cut, or our limbs blown off in a suicide bombing, will I have the last laugh? And by that time, will anything matter anyway?
The indolent masses WANT to believe the left-leaning, multicultural, disingenuous idiots and love to join with them in mouthing platitudes such as 'islam is a religion (untrue) of peace (untrue)'.
The gullible REFUSE to believe that such EVIL actually EXISTS and that it is named ISLAM; and they will not make even the slightest effort to seek out the facts because, as 'open-minded' i.e. non-racist people, they already, in their opinion, know all that they need to know about the 'few islamic extremists' who bring 'the religion of peace' into disrepute! How often does one's pastor state: "I have Muslim friends and acquaintances and they are GOOD PEOPLE!"?
I am beginning to despair of my fellows.

Posted by: meekee at September 27, 2007 3:42 PM

I keep saying to my friends that the only 'good' or 'moderate' muslim is a non-practising one (so not really a muslim after all) because all true muslims are bound by the qu'ran and are therefore the sworn enemies of democracy, honesty and humanity ... all I get in return is abuse and condemnation, and accusations of 'racism' by people who KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ISLAM, THE QU'RAN OR EVEN MO HIMSELF!
But as we lay dying with our throats cut, or our limbs blown off in a suicide bombing, will I have the last laugh? And by that time, will anything matter anyway?
The indolent masses WANT to believe the left-leaning, multicultural, disingenuous idiots and love to join with them in mouthing platitudes such as 'islam is a religion (untrue) of peace (untrue)'.
The gullible REFUSE to believe that such EVIL actually EXISTS and that it is named ISLAM; and they will not make even the slightest effort to seek out the facts because, as 'open-minded' i.e. non-racist people, they already, in their opinion, know all that they need to know about the 'few islamic extremists' who bring 'the religion of peace' into disrepute! How often does one's pastor state: "I have Muslim friends and acquaintances and they are GOOD PEOPLE!"?
I am beginning to despair of my fellows.

Posted by: meekee at September 27, 2007 3:43 PM