I thought "Megahed" was a heavy metal act. So who's "Mohamed"? The lead singer with a sock down his pants?

Posted by: ewha1 at September 27, 2007 1:59 AM

What does one intend to do with explosives, I mean, generally speaking?

That's right; blow something up!

Maybe these poor misunderstood patriots intended to put on a dazzling fireworks display to celebrate our freedoms?

Yeah, that's right....

Posted by: Mo Foe at September 27, 2007 2:09 AM

Maybe they only wanted to kill a few schoolchildren and not attack a naval base.

This legal "downplaying" maneuver (saying what is improbable for the perps to have been able to do with such "small" amounts of explosives) is clever, but irrelevant.

Small bombs are still bombs.

Minor terrorists are still terrorists.

Posted by: profitsbeard at September 27, 2007 2:12 AM

Maybe they only wanted to kill a few schoolchildren and not attack a naval base.

This legal "downplaying" maneuver (saying what is improbable for the perps to have been able to do with such "small" amounts of explosives) is clever, but irrelevant.

Small bombs are still bombs.

Minor terrorists are still terrorists.

Posted by: profitsbeard at September 27, 2007 2:22 AM

Hopmeir seems to be a kind of faux "expert" that so permeates the security field today. No brains and the imagination of a squash.

Look place and detonate a pipebomb underneath a large propane tank like the kind you at a gas station and see what happens.

Or stick it on a fuel truck.

Look at it as a igniter and not the real explosive source and you get the idea. Force multiplier.

And no they wouldn't hit a hard target as it is against terrorist MO, they'd hit soft targets in order to increase their chance of success.

Posted by: waltc at September 27, 2007 2:31 AM

"A defense attorney says the idea that the men could threaten the heavily fortified military facility is far-fetched."

Try telling that BS to the families of the seamen killed and maimed on the USS Cole or the families of the Marines murdered in thier barracks in Beirut back in 1983.

We'll buy any line of muslim BS in this country.

Posted by: BB at September 27, 2007 2:33 AM

"You can kill somebody with a ballpoint pen or a rolled-up newspaper or a book of matches. The question is not the technology, but the intent"....from headline.

News story: "Man was hospitalized when struck on the head with a rolled-up newspaper. Police have arrested the suspect on charges of attempted murder"....more at 11:00.

Posted by: champ at September 27, 2007 3:00 AM

TAMPA - When two Egyptian students at the University of South Florida were charged with having explosives in their trunk, a South Carolina sheriff said the men may have targeted a nearby naval weapons station.

I may have posted this idea before but it is still relevant.. since the argument for having "students" from the Middle East is the "economic benefit" to the universities who accept these students.. then these very same universities should be made to take out insurance policies to cover the potential damages arising from the actions of their charges.

There is an obvious precedent and if not for the actions of our vigilant security personnel - plus an occasional dose of good fortune - there would be even greater carnage wrought by these vermin!

Doctors have prohibitively expensive malpractice policies. And these are - at least the non-moslem ones - people who are beholden to the Hippocratic Oath! They are insured for errors they make in good faith.

Should not those who admit "students" - be it for motive of money or for motive of political correctness - from KNOWN terrorist nations - AND whith an existing track record of actually carried out terrorism - be held at least financially accountable for their follies??!!

How do they justify the loss of ONE life of a fellow US citizen at the hands of those they continue to bring into this country?!

Posted by: Allahfanculo at September 27, 2007 3:23 AM

Ponder THIS:

http://tinyurl.com/yux4yt

A report from Kosovo by Jesse Petrilla in Frontpage Mag. He visited the region in person and this is his report. Jesse is the brilliant speaker I heard in person at the anti-islamo-fascist rally at Ground Zero last year.

I am glad to see he is active and doing well. I am less than happy to have read devastating account of his travels:

I do suggest you click the link. The pictures speak louder than a million words.. oh my... I could cry.. my beloved Europe going down the drain.. the Black Plague of islam once again advancing..

My Trip to Kosovo and Bosnia

By Jesse Petrilla
FrontPageMagazine.com | 6/5/2007

I have recently returned to the U.S. from my trip through the Balkans which had an aim to see what the ever expanding Middle East into Europe looks like up close. Here is my after-action report for those who are interested in hearing about a situation which may chillingly parallel future events in America if we do not take action to prevent them today.

I landed in Kosovo on a flight from Istanbul directly into the Kosovo capital city of Pristina. This city is a showpiece for the Kosovo Albanians who often take visiting dignitaries and American politicians through a twisty roundabout path through the city, avoiding the many destroyed churches and other evidence of the less than tolerant attitudes so prevalent in the region. I went on a very different tour of Kosovo than what our politicians see. I didn't stick to only seeing the few good parts of Pristina, I went to other parts of Kosovo where Christians are forced to live in military-like compound ghettos, with the terror and fear of death if they ever set foot outside of their enclaves without protection. I saw a rogue and wild west region with very little self built infrastructure, and vast amounts of foreign money flowing in from Saudi Arabia and other nations hell bent on exporting their extremist ideals. The only real infrastructure I saw were remnants of Tito's Communist Yugoslavia, with the current flow of money primarily being dumped into new construction projects of Wahabi mosques and madrases. But what is scariest of all is that I saw America several generations from now if we continue to allow Islamism to spread through the socialist and naive policies so many American politicians have adopted.

From Pristina I headed for Gracanica, a small enclave of Christian Serbs who's ancestors have been living in Kosovo for thousands of years. Gracanica Monastery has been the site of Christian churches since the 6th century, yet when I arrived I was struck by the towering concrete walls adorned with coiled barbed wire and machine gun nests, all required now for the protection of the nuns and bishops who live there. The outside was also spotted with vehicle blockers reminiscent of Normandy Beach, with KFOR guards and vehicles patrolling to protect the Christians from Islamist attacks.

I visited with the nuns in the monastery, who told me their stories, how much they lived in fear of being murdered by radical Muslims. My heart sank as I saw that even though their families had been there for countless years, they knew that their situation would never get better, and that sometime in their lives they would either be murdered or forced to leave. My mind shot back to Dearborn, Michigan, and I found myself wondering if Christians there would one day be forced to live like this. Dearborn today is estimated at around 30% Muslim, and they are emboldened enough to hold Hezbollah rallies last year which attracted an estimated 10,000 people. What will happen when they are over 50%? The ludicrousness astounds me how any of our politicians can believe that simply because the Muslims have the majority in Kosovo, Serbia, it entitles them to have their own Islamic country, yet if you ask any of those same politicians if they believe the same would apply for Dearborn, Michigan in a few years, they never seem to have a solid answer.

In my journey I met up with many experts in the region who told me how the Kosovo predicament came to be, and as I learned I shockingly saw many more parallels with what is happening in America. Illegal immigration was the number one cause of how the Islamic population suddenly took over Kosovo in only the past couple hundred years. Very recently it seemed that this region was majority Christian, and not only was it a majority Christian but the heart of much Christian worship in Southern Europe. Even Constantine himself was born in Southern Serbia, and the region has always held vast amounts of ancient monasteries and churches. It seemed that the bulk of this flow of immigrants came under Tito's socialist policies, which largely opened the floodgates and turned a blind eye to the onslaught of Muslim illegal immigrants, mostly coming from Albania to work in mining and agriculture. Today in America I see much of this occurring, when I hear we are granting 25,000 student visas for Saudi students, or when our government is negligent in securing our borders due to socialist-like policies from the open-borders crowd. Our politicians never stop to think about the long term effects of such policies on the future of America.

One other point of interest is how the Albanians in Kosovo know how to put on a show and dance until they get their way. Right now they have no state, and the U.N. controls most activities in Kosovo, so they kiss up to America, who we all know has the final say in if they get their independence or not. One thing in their capital city that is a bit humorous, are all the dictator-like murals of one particular politician. In Baghdad before the fall of Saddam there were four or five story pictures of Saddam Hussein, well in Pristina Kosovo there are four or five story pictures of Bill Clinton. Clinton as we know was behind the taking of sides in the Kosovo Albanian's conflict with the Serbs of the late 1990s, using American planes to bomb the Serbs several hundred miles north of Kosovo in the Serbian capital of Belgrade. The Kosovo Muslims are of course grateful for this, yet I spoke with several dozen of them about their allegiances and it was blatantly clear that their allegiance was to the east, towards Mecca, and certainly not to the west. Where will their allegiances be once they get their way and have an independent state? Considering the continual bombardment of Saudi money and Wahabist indoctrination in most every mosque and every school in Kosovo? I saw the Saudi flag on more than one occasion while there, and even saw many of the U.N. workers driving around wearing full hijab Islamic head coverings, quite comforting considering the U.N. is suppose to protect the Christians who live there if they are attacked. But in 2003 we saw an uprising against the Christians where many churches were destroyed and Christians killed, and the U.N. troops all ran away.

After visiting several other churches destroyed as recently as 2003 and many vandalized in the last year, I headed for Bosnia not too far away. In Sarajevo I got a tour of the EUFOR Army base there, and was comforted to learn that although our politicians may not get it, the Army certainly understands who the enemy is today. A Sergent Major told me of villages in Bosnia where the women wear full Afghanistan style burkahs, and when a vehicle approaches the village all the women go run and hide, and the men surround the car and you must ask permission to enter the village. He told me what is scariest of all is that the people who live there are not foreigners, but Bosnian born and raised, right there in Europe. I learned from him and others that nearly all of the military activity involves problems with Muslims, and not the Christians, such as surprise...

In Banja Luka, Bosnia, one of the last remaining Christian majority cities, I met with two amazing individuals. One was the former mayor of a Bosnian city, a non-religious and westernized man born into the Muslim faith by the name of Dzevad Galijasevic who is an activist against the Wahabi and fundamentalist indoctrination occurring in the region. The other man I met with was Dejan Miletic, the former Serbian ambassador to the Hague war crimes tribunal who was removed for political correct reasons when he continued to pursue the war crimes of Muslims in the region and would not only stick to going after Serbian war crimes. Galijasevic told me from a Muslim perspective that he witnessed first hand the extremists during and after the war seizing every opportunity to pursue their jihadist goals of spreading radical Islam through this European region. He said that the current Islamic political leadership of Bosnia were the same people who during the war sent pleas to the Taliban and other Islamist regimes to send their best jihad fighters to Bosnia to fight the Christians. Now that the war is over and anyone brings up the fact of Islamic war crimes, these leaders use the excuse that it was just foreign fighters and not them, when in fact they were the ones who brought those foreign fighters to the land. Miletic, the former ambassador to the Hague, showed and told me things that wanted to make me puke my guts out. While working for the tribunal he set up a website that I am warning is not for the weak stomached, you can see pictures and videos of Islamist activity right there in Europe by visiting the following link: http://www.rs-icty.org/gallery%20eng.htm

The entire region is an example of the catalyst that all Islamists are trying to create here in America. An all out war where in the end the Muslims have the majority, and the non-Muslims live in fear and dhimmitude. What happened there is the end result, 50 to 100 years ahead of where America is today, that is unless we take action to prevent it from occurring here.

Posted by: Allahfanculo at September 27, 2007 3:34 AM

I tried the link since I never used tinyurl before. It didn't work so here's the working one:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.aspx?GUID=9A68C6F6-8A08-453E-B2E8-6E247D2736CD

Sorry for my mistake. I want everyone to see Jesse's report. He is right in expressing his fear that this can happen here next..

I wonder if that's why Eritrea spit off from Ethiopia by the way...

And what if the Flemish who detest islamofascism manage to split off from Belgium.. will the remainder become Europe's first islamic state?!

We need to GET OUR GANDER UP and start DEPORTING THEM!!

See Hugh's many posts regarding the Benes decree after WW2. I'm a German and I can see nothing wrong with the Bense Decree. If it had been me I'd have done the very same thing.

Wrong is Wrong and Right is Right.

I don't care. If Germans are wrong we have to face the consequences. But so must others who do wrong.

Posted by: Allahfanculo at September 27, 2007 3:45 AM

Discerning whether the two students posed a threat is complicated by the fact that Hopmeier and other experts contacted by The Tampa Tribune question whether the devices described by a federal prosecutor could have done much damage.

It's the INTENT, Stupid!! NOT whether they were too STUPID to carry it out!

God, these academics and these technicians drive me NUTS...

Stupidity is NOT a defense. Any of you who are called to jury duty MUST heed the call from NOW ON... so YOU as citizens can ensure a FAIR TRIAL!

It is your civic duty!

do NOT allow them to get away with this sort of crap any longer!

At the very least you van HANG the jury and ensure a retrial...

You never know what case you might get called upon to jury over.. we MUST participate in our legal system from now on!

Rest assured.. the ENEMY does!

I mean the leftists too..

Posted by: Allahfanculo at September 27, 2007 3:52 AM

This is a gallery from the Jesse Petrilla artile showing what the moslems did to the Serbian Christians in Kosovo:

http://rs-icty.org/gallery%20eng.htm

Warning: explicitly violent and disgusting content. But this shows YOUR enemy at work.

THIS is YOUR enemy!! Not just the enemy of the Serbs!!

Posted by: Allahfanculo at September 27, 2007 3:58 AM

Well, allafan...
That's the difference between real cops, and the thought police.

Posted by: jcom972 at September 27, 2007 4:10 AM

When they get the upper hand they don't need detonators:

THIS is what they do th churches when they are emboldened to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkgHkxIfgBc

Remember I am NOT a Christian but I think this is WRONG!! I am of Christian heritage regardless and I like it that way..

Since I am NOT a Christian I do NOT subscribe to the "other cheek" thing either!!!

FIRE AT WILL!!!!

Posted by: Allahfanculo at September 27, 2007 4:19 AM

What they're really arguing is "they aren't guilty because they're incompetent". That's why we have crimes like "attempted murder". Just because you couldn't finish the job shouldn't let you off the hook.

Posted by: aynrandgirl at September 27, 2007 4:20 AM

Well, allafan...
That's the difference between real cops, and the thought police.
Posted by: jcom972'

Sorry, J.. that went way over my head. I am PISSED OFF reading Jesse's article from Kosovo and now watching the church ransacking by these SAVAGES!!!!

FIRE AT WILL!!!!!

I'd have LOVED to pick off that monkey who ransacked the crucifix off the top off that church.

This is EUROPE we are taking about. Not some hellhole like Iran or Lebanon!

They 'immigrate" into all our lands!!

Our dhimmiticians allow them IN!!!

Posted by: Allahfanculo at September 27, 2007 4:23 AM

Allafan',
(if I may share this with ya)
Keep one thing in mind on the philosophy ya mentioned...
"turn the other cheek" does NOT mean "take it on the chin again" like many have erroneously accepted... understandable, but erroneous (just as erroneous as "thou shalt not kill" has been, when the ancient text was "thou shalt not M-U-R-D-E-R")

It means (since we're not infallible) to try and see it from the other persons perspective/angle because we may actually be wrong on whatever is at issue at the time, and it may avoid unnecessary confrontation.
Too many have unnecessarily backed down from something, knowing they're right...because they misunderstood/misinterpreted the message...only to take it on the chin when they shouldn't have, or didn't have to.

But (with that said), I agree
I'm not into "taking it on the chin again" either!
lol

Posted by: jcom972 at September 27, 2007 4:42 AM

What this article does in my mind is try and keep the mistaken logic in place that attacks are carried out with the goal of over powering and capturing target.
A jihadist attack is planned and designed to make a statement, with the obvious bonus of taking non-muslem life. Whether they had driven to the gate and exploded it attached to their own gas tank, or targeted a vehicle approaching the facility the attack would have had the same psychological results for the jihadists.
The MSM wants to continue the flawed ideas of conventional warfare as a comparitive. Uniformed and easily identifiable ememies who are reflective of an identifiable government/state. They do not want to allow that this is what it is, guerilla warfare.
Allahfan, I had read and seen the article you mentioned and it is horrifying. And with that I'll say proudly I am a Christian and one who knows my sins are forgiven. Knowing that, I have no problem saying that I decided years ago that my turning the cheek is over when it comes to Islam.
I would stand proudly next to an atheist, Jew, Buddhist etc. But I will never turn my back to a Moslem.

Posted by: FiveOAdviser at September 27, 2007 5:39 AM

Great posts, Allahfanculo

from Allahfanculo "I'm a German"

Visited Germany once. Great people, great cities - we only had time to visit a couple of places, Munich, Cologne, Berlin and perhaps the nicest place, Wuzburg, a lovely provincial town. We'd have loved to have stayed longer but it was kind of Europe in 10 days tour.....anyway...loved the beer, sausages, German bread, everything really. Want to return so much one day.

From Allahfanculo "And what if the Flemish who detest islamofascism manage to split off from Belgium"

That's funny but I read this only today and it touches on this very same subject. From Malic

http://antiwar.com/malic/

I know very little on this issue, to say the least: any chance of some more info? Many thanks.

Yes, it's a good article and it's good to see Frontpage posting this stuff.

" A Sergent Major told me of villages in Bosnia where the women wear full Afghanistan style burkahs, and when a vehicle approaches the village all the women go run and hide, and the men surround the car and you must ask permission to enter the village."

Amazing isn't it. And as the article points out, it's from locals, not Mujahideen. Blond haired, blue eyed loons.

Also from Allahfanculo"I do suggest you click the link. The pictures speak louder than a million words.. oh my... I could cry.. my beloved Europe going down the drain.. the Black Plague of islam once again advancing..

Oh, I know, the photos. Serbianna.com has a huge numbers. Ah dear. Very upsetting stuff indeed. What gets me is the incredibly biased nature of the reporting of the whole conflict - both Bosnia and Kosovo - so much for the independent media. What a crock of crap.

Essentially every claim made about the Serbs/Yugo with regards to Kosovo was an out and out lie. Racak, Operation Horseshoe, the deportations: Everything

And Bosnia?!?!?!?!? Oh please. A middling civil war - no worse than, say the Lebanese war, and small potatoes when compared with what's happening in Africa - where all warring parties suffered almost exactly the same ratio of causalties with regards to their populations and the world starts saying "genocide".

It's only the Bosnian Serbs who've admitted to any crimes. The Bosnian Croats and particularly the Bosnian Muslims are still in helpless victim mode.

The ICTY was so desperate with trying to prove genocide they had to rewrite the definition of the word so that it could include the Bosnian Serbs. Eat your heart out "Animal Farm" and "1984".
In fact, they were still stumped, so they included in the indictment, rude words from the Bosnian Serb army. You know, it's the middle of raging hand to hand battle, the soldiers aren't exactly being PC about the enemy, and this became evidence of the Bosnian Serbs genocidal intentions.

In the Srebrenica trials against Mladic, Krle, etc, the ICTY worked very closely with AID - Bosnian intel - which had been completley penetrated by the Iranian VEVAK. The ICTY gets funds from Saudi Arabia.

You've gotta laugh. Slobo, gets compared to Hitler, yet the only book that was banned in Slobo's time was the " The Protocols of the Elders of Zion". To ths day, Serbia is bar far and away the most multi ethnic country in the region. And yet the MSM was comparing multi ethnic Serbia with a pro Jewish guy like Slobo to Hitler. All the myriad minorities in Kosovo supported the Serbs. All of them. From the strictly muslim Caucassians to the catholic Kosovo Albanians and ethnic Croats.

On the other hand, Izetbegovic was a Holocaust Denier, who thought that Israel had no right to exist and was backed by two Holocaust denying countries: Iran and Saudi Arabia.

Here's a rule of thumb with international wars. Whoever the Israelis support is certain to be the good guys. I mean, really, take a look. Biafra, Bosnia, time and time again, they put all our hopeless gov'ts to shame.

Anyway, I'll drink to Germany's health any day of the week and twice on Sundays. Classical musice is essential Germanic. Talk about a heritage.

All the best AFC

Posted by: ewha1 at September 27, 2007 5:52 AM

Anyway, I'm still positive that Megahed was a heavy metal act. Didn't they support Spinal Tap or something?

Posted by: ewha1 at September 27, 2007 5:58 AM

Thanks ewha1.. but HOW do we keep islam OUT of Europe and how do we keep Kosovo Serbian which it has always been?

How can NATO and the UN just come along like bullies and remove a Serbian province simply becuase lots of Albanians *chose* to move there?!

I am *SICK*!!

Just imagine what will happen when Hitlery becomes President!!!

And Rudy is beginnign to self-destruct.. that stupid eife-on-the-ohone thing he pulled at the NRA was pitiful.. what the HELL is he DOING??!!

We CABNNOT afford Hitlery.. or ANY "democrat" in 2008 the way they love to sell us out to islam!!

Anyway.. HAPPY beer drinkign and pork sausage eating - especfially druing the day and NEAR any moFoes who happen to live in YOUR countries, my friends!!

Remember THIS: These fiends are staying in YOUR countries!!

ACT LIKE IT!!!

Posted by: Allahfanculo at September 27, 2007 6:01 AM

Well maybe it's just me, but a little bit of explosives and a car's gasoline tank would make a pretty BIG explosion.

Then of course there's the possibility they were just the diversionary attack, or the whole incident was just part of intel gathering.

Whatever, take your pick, this doesn't seem to be an inoccent incident.

Posted by: perpster at September 27, 2007 7:37 AM

wow, thank you Allahfanculo for posting those links.

I am stunned. I had no idead.

I cannot believe that is EUROPE. Astonishing and so tragic.

And yet they keep letting Muslims in...

I wonder how many decades it'll take before we start seeing that happen in western Europe.

Posted by: JenBee at September 27, 2007 7:51 AM

"When a federal prosecutor struggled during the bail hearing to convince the judge that one of the students is too dangerous to be released, he didn't mention the military installation. The prosecutor told the judge about "jihadi" images found on a laptop computer and about the men's travels and ties abroad but said he had no direct information on what the students intended to do with the devices."

Let me guess their intentions in what to do with the explosives...murder unsuspecting people? [a.k.a. terrorism?]

Posted by: SoteriA at September 27, 2007 8:34 AM

"A defense attorney says the idea that the men could threaten the heavily fortified military facility is far-fetched."

...gee, who would have thought 19 very lightly armed men could kill 3,000 people and destroy a couple of modern HIGH rise towers in less than 30 minutes?.....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at September 27, 2007 9:12 AM

Pardon me, but since when does 'level of skill' of the perp affect the prosecution of a clearly illegal act?

What about INTENT? Wake up America, we're going down fast.

Posted by: n.a. palm at September 27, 2007 9:21 AM

Ewha1--

I had kind of hoped "Megahed" was a supergroup composed of members from Megadeth and Motorhead. But, alas.

Posted by: MarisolJW at September 27, 2007 9:24 AM

Whoever said the Naval base was the target? Upon what is it inscribed and by what means? We know they will lie about everything in order to further the ummah. If these prosecutors go in with the assertion that the impregnable miliatry installation was the only possible target, the defense will eat them alive and these clowns will walk with even more smugness than what we've seen so far. It must be stressed that anyone who appeared different than the terrorists, any Christian or Jew, could have been a target. Perhaps their intent was to toss pipe bombs at targets of opportunity, let's say a bus stop or a crowded mall food court. UBL said to kill the Crusader wherever they are found. They're after YOU. Embrace the reality and train for it, America.

Posted by: undaunted at September 27, 2007 9:34 AM

mega=large
hed=high explosive device....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at September 27, 2007 9:41 AM

Am I the only one that is tired of talking about all of this?

Posted by: Foehammer at September 27, 2007 10:10 AM

" A defense attorney says the idea that the men could threaten the heavily fortified military facility is far-fetched."

Flying passenger airliners into the WTC would have sounded far-fetched on Sept 10, 2001.

Posted by: TheOmegaMan at September 27, 2007 10:12 AM

No, Foehammer; you're not the only one tired of talking about this.

Posted by: undaunted at September 27, 2007 10:33 AM

Incompetence does not equate with innocence.

Posted by: MP at September 27, 2007 11:47 AM

Honestly, Marisol, when I first heard the word I thought it was the name of a new rock group.

And Foehammer, I'm sick to death of talking about this and putting up with all the dhimmi dummies out there. For crying out loud, my eight year old nephew could have explained this to Michael Hopmeier.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at September 27, 2007 12:35 PM

"I had kind of hoped "Megahed" was a supergroup composed of members from Megadeth and Motorhead. But, alas." Posted by: MarisolJW

They've got too many teeth.

Posted by: Josephine at September 27, 2007 2:35 PM

I too, am sick and tired of talking. Wish there were something we could do.. like join up and train for the day when we need to do what we will have to do..

Anyway, I'm still positive that Megahed was a heavy metal act. Didn't they support Spinal Tap or something?
Posted by: ewha1

I say we give megahed a spinal tap! He already had a Frontal Lobotomy.

He read the KKKoran.. LOL

The way they put their heads on the ground is to ensure that they stay lobotomized.

Posted by: Allahfanculo at September 27, 2007 2:39 PM

"I wonder how many decades it'll take before we start seeing that happen in western Europe."

Posted by: JenBee at September 27, 2007 7:51 AM

Probably sooner rather than later. Brussels and Malmo are already hitting critical mass, and big troubles have already begun in the suburbs of Lille, Toulouse, Strasbourg and Paris. "Territory marking" is beginning in British cities too - and in Dearborn, MI.

Back to the original topic: Prior to 9/11/01 it would have seemed far fetched and too primative to be believed for 19 men with boxcutters to hijaxk airliners and use them to knock down the WTC towers and put a big hole in the Pentagon too.

The important thing is the intent to blow something or someone up, and the effort to make a bomb. the competence of the bomb making doesn't matter as far as guilt goes.

Posted by: Jan Sobieski at September 27, 2007 3:16 PM

Careful, Jan...you're using 'too much common sense' there for the politically correct thought police to comprehend-they use none of it-that's why they're using the "too much of an idiot to succeed" copout insanity on this.

Common sense is the enemy of (and antidote for) political correctness.
^5s

Posted by: jcom972 at September 27, 2007 4:55 PM

This is one of those stories where people (supposed experts) lacking ANY common sense are quoted... and when I read what they say it takes every fiber of self control I have to keep from sticking my fist through my computer's monitor.

What I would like to scream into the ear of these idiots is, "NO, YOU FRAKKING MORON- MAYBE WHAT THEY COOKED UP WOULDN'T BLOW UP A AIRCRAFT CARRIER, BUT IT WOULD SURE AS HELL KILL AND MAIN A BUS LOAD OF THE SAILOR'S CHILDREN!!!!!!!!"

WHAT it is going to take for 'experts' to take this kind of crap seriously? Maybe televised images of Amnerican women and children who are dead, or blinded, or have head injuries, or amputated arms and legs?? Is this what it required to get people's attention??
I swear to the Lord in heaven we are DOOMED if these are the sorts of 'experts' we have on our side.

Pray for God's guidance.
Plan to the best of your abilities.
Prepare for the worst you can imagine.

Posted by: livefreeordie! at September 27, 2007 5:23 PM

"A defense attorney says the idea that the men could threaten the heavily fortified military facility is far-fetched."
- - - - -

And before 9/11, most people would have said that a few Saudi wanna-be "pilots" (who couldn't even take off or land) shouldn't be considered much of a threat, either...

Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse at September 27, 2007 5:23 PM

livefree` & 'mouse,
Ya got it dead-to-rights...
same pre-9/11 mentalities trying to continue their naivete` even now...
same fatally-naive mentalities that ASSumed some terrorist(s) wouldn't, or couldn't, do ANYthing are the same mentalities that allowed such ASSumptive complacency to develop, resulting in 9/11...

Never underestimate your enemy (like they did/do)

...and my colleagues are right (as I stated long ago on this), these loons ASSume they're gonna hit a base per se...but the family housing at those bases are relatively unguarded (I posted on this after the Ft Dix bit). The terrorists knew this, it's been mentioned...and now said housing units have plans to guard more carefully since they're the chink in the armor, and military's one weakest spot of vulnerability.

Those thought police need to find a new lone of work...like social(ist) services...lol

Posted by: jcom972 at September 27, 2007 5:37 PM

livefreeordie:

"Prepare for the worst you can imagine."

I sat thinking on things last evening and came to much the same conclusion.

Half the people in this country think that WE are the enemy PRECISELY because we think of Country first. That thought, when it hits you over the head like a shovel for the first time, will have you looking at the moon for a few hours.

Posted by: JohnAdams at September 27, 2007 9:06 PM

It's called mental projection secondary to malignant narcissism, common to the enemy within who would think that moronic BS..that's precisely the politically correct brownshirts I refer to.

In the mean time, he kicker to what I said earlier...we reached the conclusion that base housing was a target waiting to happen...in 1985.
Only after 9/11 is anyone contemplating doing anything...because some bean-counter in the beltway ASSumed someone "wouldn't" or "couldn't" succeed...same ones said the same of terrorists who proved them fatally wrong on 9/11.

They're going for the dependants...the only weak link they can find against the military who's otherwise kicking their asses elsewhere.

Posted by: jcom972 at September 27, 2007 10:26 PM

From MariosolJW" Ewha1--I had kind of hoped "Megahed" was a supergroup composed of members from Megadeth and Motorhead. But, alas."

That's the one, Marisol, that I'd been thinking about. A Motorhead and Megadeath supergroup.

Oh ha ha ha.

Posted by: ewha1 at September 28, 2007 5:21 AM

Who would have thought that a mixture of flour and peroxide would cause an explosion in London?

In court, the Londonstan jihadis claimed that it was "bread dough" leaking from their backpacks. Their second try was a dud, so I guess they have to be set free.
--
"Much more damaging than a rolled-up newspaper"

Posted by: CTYankee at September 28, 2007 12:10 PM

So does nail polish remover (acetone) & peroxide (see TATP).
One major reason liquids were banned outright last year.

Posted by: jcom972 at September 28, 2007 7:42 PM

MarisolJW"Ewha1--I had kind of hoped "Megahed" was a supergroup composed of members from Megadeth and Motorhead. But, alas."

I just can't get that image - of both Motorhead and Megadeth sharing the same stage - out of my mind

And the volume! Eeek!

Posted by: ewha1 at September 28, 2007 11:36 PM

Here's an updated follow-up on topic.
http://www.sptimes.com/2007/09/28/Hillsborough/FBI__Pair_sought_to_h.shtml
Say, that reminds me...where are all the "oh, it's just fireworks" lackeys on this now?
Hiding under their desks, no doubt...lol

Posted by: jcom972 at September 29, 2007 12:14 AM

"I too, am sick and tired of talking. Wish there were something we could do.. like join up and train for the day when we need to do what we will have to do."

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Posted by: undaunted at September 29, 2007 12:18 AM

follows undaunted

Posted by: ewha1 at September 30, 2007 2:19 AM