Greetings:

'the truth that Islam is a religion which espouses universalism, not exclusivity, and tolerance, not bigotry.'

And the Muslims will tell everyone in the universe exactly how they are going to be tolerated.

Posted by: 11B40 at September 28, 2007 3:52 PM

When are muslims going to start doing something on their parts to understand we don't want to be muslims?! No one in the UN, or elsewhere, ever requires that the muslims stop their violence or change their goal of world domination. No one in the UN, or elsewhere, will tell the muslims that yes, there will be a different kind of peace other than the conversion, death or dhimmitude - and that is if you kill someone because they are not a muslim you will be treated as a criminal. But, instead we see that muslim countries will only do something drastic if the person is an apostate, or tries to change islam. Oh heaven forbid! that anyone try to do such a thing!

I am a proud islamophobe and will continue to be until those masses of 'moderates' stop telling us what we should do while they infiltrate our countries.

Posted by: R_not at September 28, 2007 3:56 PM

"Malaysian PM: Western nations misunderstand Islam"

He is right about that

Posted by: Elric66 at September 28, 2007 4:01 PM

Islam is a religion which espouses universalism
--Abdullah Ahmad Badawi

Yeah, Islam to be universal everywhere in the universe.

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at September 28, 2007 4:05 PM

"New York - Malaysia's Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi called Friday for increasing dialogue..."

....yeah, dialogue....as if that has ever worked for non Muslims when dealing with Muslims....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at September 28, 2007 4:05 PM

Badawi is NOT lying when he says, 'the truth that Islam is a religion which espouses universalism, not exclusivity, and tolerance, not bigotry.'

He honestly thinks that the words 'universalism' and 'tolerance' mean what Islam takes them to mean.

We Infidels are insects and do not have the right to tell Muslims what any concept means. They, on the other hand, have every right, granted from Allah, to tell US what they mean.

Muslims are parasites, since Muhammad was a parasite.

Islam is pure evil and we must always start with that understanding.

Ethelred

Posted by: Ethelred at September 28, 2007 4:07 PM

The Bridge Badawi is trying to sell has already collapsed. Funding for its re-construction will not be authorised.

Can we say the Road to Hell is paved with Misunderstanding Muslims?

Posted by: flowerknife_us at September 28, 2007 4:08 PM

Of course, it never seems to occur to Muslims that maybe *their* understanding of other religions might be somewhat flawed ....

Posted by: Leizerel at September 28, 2007 4:18 PM

If you have ever been involved with the legally insane, one expression they all use is "you just don't understand me........."

Would it then be much of a leap to say that being muslim is another form of insanity........?

Posted by: n.a. palm at September 28, 2007 4:24 PM

The only good muslim - is a bad muslim.

Posted by: infidel! at September 28, 2007 4:25 PM

(Smiling)
Mr. Badawi sir,
I understand Islam so well that I know everything you are about to tell me is a load of bull$hit.

Now, do you understand me?

Posted by: JohnAdams at September 28, 2007 4:25 PM

Robert:
A sterling quote.
At what point does his targeted audience (us)just start laughing ?

At a certain point even politeness in response becomes obscene.

How can he come here say this, and expect to get away with it ?

Can they spout this crap at the UN General Assembly ?

Posted by: dgene at September 28, 2007 4:26 PM

dgene:

"Can they spout this crap at the UN General Assembly ?"

Why sir YES OF COURSE THEY CAN!!!

Posted by: JohnAdams at September 28, 2007 4:29 PM

Malaysian Prime Minister 'misunderstands' that we care.

Posted by: alaskan1000 at September 28, 2007 4:31 PM

"He said action should be taken to generate 'greater understanding' between civilizations."

Robert Spencer is doing that.

Actually, now that I think of it, Mr. Malasia's statement assumes that there are civilizations on both sides.

Posted by: ChristianRepublic at September 28, 2007 4:36 PM

Seven Questions for Abdullah Ahmad Badawi, Prime Minister of Malaysia:

1. At independence, Malaysia (or, as it was then known, Malaya) did not have a Muslim majority. There has been a steady rise in the percentage of Muslims, compared to the indigenous tribes, the Hindus, and the Chinese. What explains this demographic shift?

2. Singapore broke off from Malaysia and established a separate state. What were the main reasons the Chinese of Singapore so desperately sought to be independent of Malaysia?

3. The Bumiputra system, was established to favor in education and in the economy, supposedly, the "sons of the soil" or the indigenes. The "sons of the soil" tribes, however, are mostly Christian. Yet the Bumipura system, as every Chinese and Hindu in Malaysia knows, favors only one group: Muslims. Why is that, and do you now believe it is time to assure all citizens of Malaysia equality before the law by ending the Bumiputra preferments for Muslims in Malaysia?

4. Your predecessor, Mahathir Mohamed, famously gave an address to the Organization of Islamic Conference, in which he told a crowd of enthusiastic delegates that Muslims must learn to rival the West in their scientific attainments, but the only attainments to which he made reference were those of military technology. There was no mention of any encouragement of Muslim study of the nature of the atom, or of the structure of DNA, or of fractals, or how the brain works, or anything at all that might be described as science for its own sake. There was only mention of military technology, of weaponry. Why do you think that was?

5. Chok Tok On, Prime Minister of Singapore, in a speech he gave in Washington a few years ago, said this:

“Terrorism is a generic term. Terrorist organisations such as the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka or ETA in Spain are only of local concern. The virulent strain of Islamic terrorism is another matter altogether. It is driven by religion. Its ideological vision is global. It is most dangerous. The communists fought to live, whereas the jihadi terrorists fight to die and live in the next world.

My perspective is formed by our own experiences in Southeast Asia, which post 9/11 has emerged as a major theatre for terrorist operations. In December 2001, Singapore arrested 15 people belonging to a radical Islamic group called the Jemaah Islamiyah [JI]. They were plotting even before 9/11 to attack American and other Western interests in Singapore. In August 2002, we arrested another 21 members of this group. Malaysia, the Philippines, Indonesia, and Thailand have also made many arrests of terrorists.

The JI regional leadership spanned Indonesia, Singapore, Malaysia, and the southern Philippines. Its tentacles even probed into Australia. JI’s objective was to create a Daulah Islamiyah, an Islamic state in Southeast Asia. This was to be centred in Indonesia but would include Malaysia, southern Thailand, Southern Philippines, and, inevitably, Singapore and Brunei.

But the most crucial conclusion our investigations revealed was this: the existence of a transregional terrorist brotherhood of disparate Southeast Asian groups linked by a militant Islamic ideology to each other and to al Qaeda. Whatever their specific goals, these groups were committed to mutual help in the pursuit of their common ideology: they helped each other with funds and support services, in training, and in joint operations.

In 1999, JI formed a secret caucus called the Rabitatul Mujahadeen, meaning Mujahadeen Coalition, to bring together various militant Southeast Asian Islamic groups. Between 1999 and 2000, Rabitatul Mujahadeen met three times in Kuala Lumpur. It was responsible for the bombing attack against the Philippine ambassador to Indonesia in Jakarta in August 2000. The brain behind the attack was Hambali, the link man between Southeast Asian terrorism and al Qaeda. Fortunately, he is now under arrest.

But the threat remains. It stems from a religious ideology that is infused with an implacable hostility to all secular governments, especially the West, and in particular the U.S. Their followers want to recreate the Islam of seventh century Arabia, which they regard as the golden age. Their ultimate goal is to bring about a caliphate linking all Muslim communities. Their means is jihad, which they narrowly define as a holy war against all non Muslims, whom they call “infidels.”

The Arabs call this religious ideology salafi. Our experience in Southeast Asia is not without wider relevance because of what the salafis themselves believe. This is what one of them, an Algerian named Abu Ibrahim Mustafa, has said:
“The war in Palestine, in Afghanistan, in Iraq, in Algeria, in Chechnya, and in the Philippines is one war. This is a war between the camp of Islam and the camp of the Cross, to which the Americans, the Zionists, Jews, their apostate allies, and others belong. The goal of this war, which they falsely called a war on terror, is to prevent the Muslims from establishing an Islamic state...”

Likewise, JI’s ultimate goal is a caliphate, by definition not confined to Southeast Asia. The dream of a caliphate may seem absurd to the secular mind. But it will be a serious mistake to dismiss its appeal to many in the Islamic world, though the majority do not believe in killing and dying for it.
But there are radicals and militants who do. The terrorist brotherhood in Southeast Asia and its links to al Qaeda were first forged through the struggle against the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. Ibrahim Maidin, the leader of the Singapore JI cell, underwent military training in Afghanistan in the early 1990s. His encounters with the mujahadeen deeply impressed him. Maidin wrote several letters to the Taliban Supreme Leader Mullah Mohammed Omar and to Osama bin Laden. He asked whether Mullah Omar was to be regarded as the caliph of the Islamic World. After returning to Singapore, Maidin arranged for JI members to visit Afghanistan and to undergo training there.
When one of those convicted of the October 2002 Bali bombings was sentenced to death, he thanked the prosecutors and said that this would bring him closer to God and “the death penalty would mean nothing except strengthening my faith.”

Islamic militancy is not new to Southeast Asia. But what is new is this type of fanatical global ideology (including the phenomenon of suicide bombers) that has been able to unite different groups and lead Southeast Asian groups to subordinate local interests to the broader struggle.
Ibrahim Maidin has confessed to a senior Singapore intelligence officer that, in retrospect, he had made the mistake of moving too quickly and should have waited for Malaysia, Indonesia, the southern Philippines, and Singapore to become an Islamic state before acting against U.S. interests. But he still believes that his side would ultimately win. He also said that as long as the U.S. was “doing things against the Muslims”, the JI would continue to attack the U.S.
From our experience in Southeast Asia, I draw three principal conclusions that I believe have a wider relevance.

First, the goals of these terrorists make the struggle a zero sum game for them. There is no room for compromise except as a tactical expedient. America may be the main enemy, but it is not the only one. What Osama bin Laden offered Europe was only a “truce,” not a lasting peace. The war against terrorism today is a war against a specific strain of militant Islamic terrorism that wants, in effect, a “clash of civilizations” or, in the words of the Algerian I earlier quoted, “a war between the camp of the Islam and the camp of the Cross.”

The JI has tried to create the conditions for Christians and Muslims in Southeast Asia to set against one another. In December 2000, it attacked churches in Indonesia, including one church in an Indonesian island off Singapore. It has sent its members to fight and stir up trouble in Ambon against Christians. At the trial of those responsible for the Bali bombing of October 2002, one of the defendants, Amrozi, dubbed by the media as the “smiling terrorist,” said that he was not sorry for the Westerners killed in the Bali attacks. He said, “How can I feel sorry? I am very happy, because they attack Muslims and are inhuman.” In fact, he wished “there were more American casualties.” What was most chilling is that this hatred is impersonal.

One of those we detained in Singapore was a service engineer with an American company. He confessed that he actually liked his American friends and bosses. He was nevertheless involved in targeting American interests. We have a sense that he had struggled with this. He eventually decided to testify against the spiritual leader of JI, Abu Bakar Bashir, but only because he felt betrayed by Bashir’s denial of the very existence of the JI organization which Bashir headed and to whom he and other members had sworn allegiance.

And just as Osama bin Laden is trying to drive a wedge between Europe and America, in Southeast Asia, JI was plotting to do the same thing by blowing up the pipelines that supply water from Malaysia to Singapore. The JI knew that water from Malaysia is a matter of life and death for Singapore. They knew that race and religion have historically been the major fault lines within and between both countries. The JI’s intention was to provoke a conflict between Singapore and Malaysia and portray a “Chinese Singapore” as threatening a “Muslim Malaysia,” and use the ensuing confusion to try and overthrow the Malaysian government and establish an Islamic state in Malaysia.

That particular plot failed. The governments of Singapore and Malaysia could not have allowed it to succeed. We know only too well what is at stake.
The favorite tactic of terrorists of all stripes has always been to try to provoke a backlash to serve their cause. When news of the JI arrests broke, my immediate concern was to maintain social cohesion in Singapore. Singapore is a multi-racial society with a 15 percent Muslim population. They are well integrated in our schools, housing estates and the workplace. Nevertheless, misunderstandings could easily arise. We met with Muslim leaders in a number of closed door sessions to share details of the investigations and to explain that the arrests were not targeted against the Singapore Muslim community or Islam.”

Would you agree with the assessment of Prime Minister Chok Tong On?

6. Singapore has a very rigorous legal regime covering Da’wa ,with strict requirements that all new converts to Islam be immediately reported to the government . Why do you suppose that is? Do you understand what concerns prompted the democratic government of Singapore to enact such legislation?

7. Your name is “Abdullah Ahmad Badawi.” Would you find strange if the Prime Minister of the Congo were named Anthony Ashley Cooper, or possibly Lord Palmerston? Do you find anything of note, as a Malay, that you bear an Arab name? Or do you find nothing strange in the linguistic and cultural pressures for arabization that accompany, and have always accompanied, islamization?

Posted by: Hugh at September 28, 2007 4:36 PM

In fact it is likely a bunch of misunderstood Salamis from Malaysia that are ganging up in packs and killing peaceful Buddhist monks and schoolteachers in southern Thailand.

Posted by: JohnAdams at September 28, 2007 4:37 PM

...actually western governments and other infidels are beginning to understand Islam much better...

now we know...

Ban Muslim Immigration...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at September 28, 2007 4:48 PM

The problem with Christians is the wide gap between what Jesus said and what they do. The problem with Muslims is the very small gap between what Muhammed said and what they do.

Posted by: sceptico at September 28, 2007 4:51 PM

"He said action should be taken to generate 'greater understanding' between civilizations . . ."

The more I learn about Islam, the more I understand all too well that it is a systemically evil cult that would best be eradicated.

Posted by: ConorMacNessa at September 28, 2007 4:52 PM

"He said action should be taken to generate 'greater understanding' between civilizations . . ."

The more I learn about Islam, the more I understand all too well that it is a systemically evil cult that would best be eradicated.

Posted by: ConorMacNessa at September 28, 2007 4:53 PM

Hugh said

Seven Questions for Abdullah Ahmad Badawi, Prime Minister of Malaysia...

Sounds like the beginning of a beautiful new dialogue. Exactly what Badawi claims to want. An open, honest, sincere dialogue. Because we have many questions, and the answers we've been getting haven't been open, honest, or sincere. Have a seat, Prime Minister...

Posted by: special_guest at September 28, 2007 4:54 PM

"....increasing dialogue to repair misunderstandings by the West about Islam"....from headline.

Repairing misunderstandings is NOT the solution, but replacing Muslim lies with the Truth is.

Posted by: champ at September 28, 2007 4:59 PM

Can they spout this crap at the UN General Assembly ?
Posted by: dgene

But that's what the UN General Assembly is FOR...

Posted by: Allahfanculo at September 28, 2007 5:06 PM

"He said action should be taken to generate 'greater understanding' between civilizations and cultures and dialogue to establish 'the truth that Islam is a religion which espouses universalism, not exclusivity, and tolerance, not bigotry."

The tragedy is that there are too many Western Leaders, Educators, and social engineers that buy and parrot this tripe to the people in their own countries, leaving them vunerable to the creeping Islamization of their societies.

It's easier, and takes less intellectual strain, to swallow the bait -- hook, line and sinker-- that Mr. Badawis tosses to them, than to face up to the truth. That might require abandoning the fantasy wourld they've constructed and live in, and start making some really difficult decisions about defending the West against the menace that Islam poses.

Posted by: rational at September 28, 2007 5:15 PM

sorry did I get something wrong?

Wonder if this could help explain things just a little

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpdzNUIxyos&mode=related&search=

Yep short and sweet

Posted by: Catherine at September 28, 2007 5:16 PM

'the truth that Islam is a religion which espouses universalism, not exclusivity, and tolerance, not bigotry.' = JW

These clowns never get it, if we wanna know a religion we are educated enough to read about it and we decide about it ourselves. I am pretty sure that there aint a thing that our friend can do or say to convince us Islam is other than a SOB religion. It is an absolute CULT of a worse kind.

Perhaps he should try educating one of us on JW blog, I would be interested to read exactly what kind of revelations he will come up with. These people are full of it.

Posted by: MusHuntCowboy at September 28, 2007 5:34 PM

By not understanding islam Badawi means why are Europens not embracing islam like the droves of stupid Malays and Indians? Surely they must be misinterpretting it, otherwise what is there not to like about this true religion - nay, the only religion of God?

muslims think that kufars don't understand their faith is because they are kuffars, otherwise they would be muslims, right?

Posted by: Hermit at September 28, 2007 5:48 PM

Muslims are so terribly misunderstood. And they have so much to offer the West.

Why, Islamic scientists knew already in the 9th century that the earth is round!

From Malaysia's National Fatwa Council:

http://www.wired.com/print/science/space/news/2007/09/mecca_in_orbit

Sheikh Muszaphar Shukor of Malaysia, a crew member on the 16th Moscow Soyuz mission for the International Space Station, is trapped in a
Muslim sstronaut's dilemma: How to Face Mecca from Space.

Sheikh Muszaphar Shukor has a problem. Two problems. The first is that Mecca keeps moving.

Well, not really. It's Shukor who'll be moving. As Malaysia's first astronaut, he's scheduled to lift off October 10 in a Russian Soyuz spacecraft for a nine-day visit during the holy month of Ramadan to the International Space Station.

He's a devout Muslim and when he says his daily prayers he wants to face Mecca, specifically the Ka'aba, the holiest place in Islam ("Turn then thy face towards the Sacred Mosque: wherever ye are, turn your faces towards it .... " The Quran, Al-Baqarah, 2:149).

That's where the trouble comes in. From ISS, orbiting 220 miles above the surface of the Earth, the qibla (an Arabic word meaning the direction a Muslim should pray toward Mecca) changes from second to second. During some parts of the space station's orbit, the qibla can move nearly 180 degrees during the course of a single prayer. What's a devout Muslim to do?

"As a Muslim, I do hope to do my responsibilities," Shukor says. "I do hope to fast in space."

Malaysia's space agency, Angkasa, convened a conference of 150 Islamic scientists and scholars last year to wrestle with these and other questions. The resulting document, "A Guideline of Performing Ibadah (worship) at the International Space Station (ISS)", was approved by Malaysia's National Fatwa Council earlier this year. According to the report, determining the qibla should be "based on what is possible" for the astronaut, and can be prioritized this way: 1) the Ka'aba, 2) the projection of Ka'aba, 3) the Earth, 4) wherever.

This leads to Shukor's second problem. There are two distinct schools of thought for determining the qibla: the commonly used Great Circle method, and the less common rhumb-line method. Looking at a flat map using any standard projection shows that a rhumb line (a line that cuts equal angles across all lines of longitude) drawn from, say, the Johnson Space Center in Houston to Mecca runs east-southeast. The numbers also bear this out -- the space center is to the north and west of the Ka'aba, so any travel to the holy city should naturally be to the southeast.

Lay a string across a globe, however, and everything changes. A great circle -- the shortest distance between two points on a sphere -- between Houston and Mecca initially arcs to the northeast, then curves southward to the Saudi peninsula. Islamic scientists knew as early as the ninth century CE that the great circle route provided the shortest path to Mecca from anywhere in the world, even though it may in some places seem counterintuitive (Muslims in Alaska, for example, pray facing almost due north). Great circle formulae are at the root of nearly every online qibla compass.

Dr. Kamal Abdali, a cartographer who is also Muslim and who has written extensively on determining the qibla, favors the great circle route, but adds, "Prayer is not supposed to be a gymnastic exercise. One is supposed to concentrate on the prayer rather the exact orientation." He points out that in a train or plane, it's customary to start in the qibla direction but then continue the prayer without worrying about possible changes in position.

But how does that work in space? Mathematically, Shukor would need to place both ISS and Mecca on the same imaginary sphere -- by either comparing the place on Earth directly beneath ISS with the real Ka'aba, or by projecting the Ka'aba into space (the option recommended by the Fatwa Council).

Yet the option to pray while facing a point in space brings up another problem. Muslims face the ground to pray, in part to avoid any hint of pagan sun or moon worship ("Prostrate yourselves not to the sun nor to the moon, but prostrate yourselves to Allah Who created them, if you (really) worship Him" (The Quran, Fussilat 41:37). If the Ka'aba projection happens to line up with the sun or moon, purists might believe the prayer invalid.

For now, Shukor is keeping the details of his plans fluid until he is actually on board ISS, a point with which Dr. Khaleel Mohammed, assistant professor of religion at San Diego State University, concurs. "In space," Mohammed points out, "the ritual prayer might be offset for more of a prayer that is allowed when on jihad ... for the lack of gravity and directional accuracy makes it legitimate to do as one sees fit. God does not take a person to task for that which is beyond his/her ability to work with."

Posted by: Hugo Schmidt-Fischer at September 28, 2007 5:55 PM

2. Singapore broke off from Malaysia and established a separate state. What were the main reasons the Chinese of Singapore so desperately sought to be independent of Malaysia?

From what I remember, Singapore was expelled from Malaysia so that the country as a whole did not end up with a Chinese plurality. From then on, Singapore prospered, while Malaysia did to a lesser extent, courtesy the Chinese and Tamil work force.

8. What do you think would happen to Malaysia should all the Tamils leave for India or Singapore, and all Chinese leave for Taiwan, China or Singapore?

Posted by: Infidel Pride at September 28, 2007 5:56 PM

"He said action should be taken to generate 'greater understanding' between civilizations and cultures and dialogue to establish 'the truth that Islam is a religion which espouses universalism, not exclusivity, and tolerance, not bigotry.'"

Oh yes of course meaning islam is universal in the way that it obliterates ,erases and completely destroys all that fall under it's guiding light.

Not Exclusivity? I agree,islam excludes none from it's aim in erasing and obliterating all "others."

Tolerance and not bigotry? I guess those christians in Egypt that haven't been incinerated,as bin laden has commented,proves the tolerance part.Seeing as to how islam has never partaken in things like slavery it can't be biogtry when they keep bringing up the wests past on that point.

Establish the truth? Ha,the whole paragraph in quotation marks is a freaking lie.

I think the real problem my dear friend is that many are comming to know the truth about islam,but thats YOUR problem.

I am all for generating'greater understanding' between civilizations and cultures and dialogue.However it will never happen because islam can't afford to have these truths come out.It's too horrible.

Posted by: Dar al-harb at September 28, 2007 5:56 PM

Yawn...this is getting boring. No! Actually more and more of us are coming to understand Islam and the fruits it bears. We are coming to this understanding partly through the efforts of folks like Robert Spencer but more through the work and speech and deeds of the followers of Islam. So thank you all for your hard work. Islam is a lie, a funny joke that a billion people with no sense of humor don't get.

Posted by: Rick at September 28, 2007 6:02 PM

I understand misunderstanding Islam is a misunderstanding.

Posted by: sounder at September 28, 2007 6:05 PM

"At what point does his targeted audience (us)just start laughing ?"

Before even getting to the sentence calling for "greater understanding".

Malaysia's PM is a laugh riot.

Posted by: PMK at September 28, 2007 6:21 PM

Well, ya know, he's got us, and he's right:
(follow me on this)

Isn't it amazing...it's always the west who "doesn't understand" anything.
We "didn't understand hitler" (as if we needed to)
We "didn't understand stalin" (as if)
We "didn't understand mao" (as if)
We "didn't understand pol pot"
We don't understand "kim jong-il"
I could go on and on...
Of course we also "don't understand islam"

Well in their own methodology of thinking, ya know they're actually RIGHT?

The west really will NEVER understand evil.

So to the Malaysian PM I ask:

AND YOUR POINT IS...???

Posted by: jcom972 at September 28, 2007 6:53 PM

Was he smiling as he lied about islam?

Or fulminating?

All that changes are their facial expressions.

Not the lies.

Posted by: profitsbeard at September 28, 2007 7:02 PM

What a bunch of hooey. Might as well said we misunderstand fascism or Marxism. Personally, I think I understand Islam quite well and as each day, week and month go by the numbers in the West continue to grow respecting those who grasp the full, unrelenting, intolerant, dismal, dreary, totalitarian nature of Islam.

Posted by: Wellington at September 28, 2007 7:14 PM

Hey, if the shoe fits, cut it off at the neck. Keep killing each other, and forget about us 'infidels' forever.

Posted by: Hebrew Handyman at September 28, 2007 7:34 PM

"He said action should be taken to generate 'greater understanding' between civilizations and cultures and dialogue to establish 'the truth that Islam is a religion which espouses universalism, not exclusivity, and tolerance, not bigotry.'"
- - - - -

If this gentleman could tell me how "Slay the Unbelievers" is universalist and not exclusivist; if he could let me know how stoning rape victims or killing daughters or hanging homosexuals is tolerant and not bigoted, I'd be VERY interested to hear what he has to say.

I have a hunch that without the Orwellian "War is Peace" / "Freedom is Slavery" inversion of word meanings, he's not going to get real far in his explanation.
- - - - -

PS- This is just an attempt to deflect the "shame" that reality brings to Muslims. Day by day, they see where and how they live, and then watch TV or read in the papers how it is in the "civilized" world. They see everything they haven't got; and they try to make it OK by telling themselves that "at least we have the pure, perfect religion of Allah". That's all they've got, aside from corrupt rulers and ecological disasters-in-the-making (denuded forests, polluted water sources, due to their booming populations). So they cling ever harder to the "glory of Islam past" and try to practice it more and more perfectly, hoping the glory days will return.

Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse at September 28, 2007 7:37 PM

Bah ha ha ha ha ha! To quote Aerosmith (and maybe others)..."It's the same old story, same old song and daaance my friend!"

Posted by: Alaskan at September 28, 2007 7:42 PM

Reading the Quran is much like eating an apple; one doesn't have to eat (read) all of it to understand that it is rotten.

Posted by: Pelayo at September 28, 2007 7:48 PM

Shame on you Pelayo,
that's an insult to those poor innocent & disenfranchised maggots & worms caught up in this!
(/sarc)

Posted by: jcom972 at September 28, 2007 8:28 PM

Let's see now. Infidels don't understand Islam because they are not Muslims. Jihadists don't understand Islam because it's a religion of peace. Non-jihadist Muslims don't understand Islam because they're not out killing infidels.
With all this misunderstanding of Islam supposedly going on why would anyone in their right mind want to be a Muslim? One has to conclude that only crazy people join something that absolutely nobody seems to understand. Mo and his god should be commended for creating such confusion with the greatest con job the world has ever seen and probably ever will see.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at September 28, 2007 8:32 PM

GET OUT OF OUR COUNTRY, YOU BARBARIANS. NOW.

Yes, ISLAMSFORLOSERS, the post above, Mo pulled off the biggest CON in history. Y'know Paul Newman/Robert Redford in "The Sting?"

They ain't got nuthin on Mo. His con is still conning, with no end in sight.

How do we stop it?

Posted by: darcy at September 28, 2007 8:49 PM

Amnesty calls for Bali bombers lives to be spared…

* Amnesia Intentional, Irene ‘Gulag’ Khan’s far left Islamo-fascist infiltrated front against freedom and democracy, is looking for bleeding hearts and other useful idiots to save the lives of the good Muslims who blew up 200 Westerners in the Bali bombings.

http://sheikyermami.com/2007/09/28/amnesty-calls-for-bali-bombers-lives-to-be-spared%e2%80%a6/

Mohammed said, ” No Muslim should be killed for killing a Kafir” (infidel). Vol. 9:50 Sahih Al-Bukhari
* “Allah will endow a person with an understanding of the Qur’an, so that he understands the ransom of blood-money for captives and the judgment that no Muslim should be killed for killing an infidel.”

Sheik yer'mami taking bets now that the Bali bombers will not be executed. What say you?

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at September 28, 2007 9:11 PM

It's "selective amnesty international"...'nuf sed.

Posted by: jcom972 at September 28, 2007 9:20 PM

you guys remember inshallahshaheed?

he moved his blog here:

http://inshallahshaheed.hadithuna.com/

Posted by: thetruth at September 28, 2007 9:25 PM

Once again the supremacy of Islam goes before its downfall. (I wonder where I've heard that reference before?)

We all need to be told about our misunderstandings. Since it will be done in the UN it will have less relevance that the ball scores for the American league. Talking heads like this guy are being relegated to the back burner. We will probably start vetoing stuff again in the UN.

Americans are very well informed as a country. The news of murders by Islam is spread across this country every day. After a while it has a cumulative effect.

Posted by: credit man at September 28, 2007 10:24 PM

"2. Singapore broke off from Malaysia and established a separate state. What were the main reasons the Chinese of Singapore so desperately sought to be independent of Malaysia? [from my posting with questions for Badawi]

Hugh
From what I remember, Singapore was expelled from Malaysia so that the country as a whole did not end up with a Chinese plurality. From then on, Singapore prospered, while Malaysia did to a lesser extent, courtesy the Chinese and Tamil work force."
-- from a posting above

You have a point. What I should have written is that initially, when both Malaya and Singapore were independent, Singapore not only did not object, but wanted to become part of a federation with Malaya (and Sarawak), for economic reasons, and thus Malaysia came into being. But what happened then was so unpleasant for the Chinese (and Indians) of Singapore that they changed their minds. The Bumiputra system -- a disguised Jizyah paid to the Muslim Malays by the Indians and Chinese - was written into the Federation's Constitution. And when the Chinese, under Lee Kuan Yew, began to protest this and other Muslim acts, there were attacks on the Chinese. Muslims from Indonesia joined in. One such attack, significantly, took place on Muhammad's birthday.

So while it is true to say that the Singaporeans sought the union, they also sought after a few years to get out of that same union with Malaya. You have written that the Malays of Malaysia were glad to see them go; I had always understood that the Malays wanted to keep Singapore in the federation against the will of its Chinsese and Indian population, but am certainly prepared to defer to you if you have -- as it sounds like -- investigated this matter.

Any further information about the attitude of the Malays when the Singaporeans wanted out should be posted here.

Posted by: Hugh at September 28, 2007 10:51 PM

I placed this speech into my new-fangled handy dandy Muslimspeak Understanding Device (MUD) and this came out. The format presents what was reported vs. what the Muslim really was thinking, which is within brackets:

New York
[Satan's Netherparts]

Malaysia's Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi called Friday for increasing dialogue
[Malaysia's Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi called for more incitement in Mosques on Fridays for more brow-beating and terror incitement of the filthy infidels...]

to repair misunderstandings by the West about Islam
[...until they get it through their thick infidel skulls that Muslims are The Best, that it's Islam Uber Alles! and that infidels are just yucky killable scum].

'The main cause is the misperception in the West
[ the infidels are so stupid...]

that Islam promotes exclusively and encourages extremism,'
[and if they fall for this crap they're even more stupid than I already think they are...]

Badawi said in an address to the UN General Assembly.
[ Badawi ranted in a rambling screed to the primary world forum of Islamic Thuggery and Islamo-Fascism in the World today...]

He said action should be taken to generate 'greater understanding' between civilizations and cultures and dialogue to establish 'the truth that Islam is a religion which espouses universalism, not exclusivity, and tolerance, not bigotry.'
[He called for more terrorism to strike fear into the infidel's hearts until they feel themselves subdued...]

Posted by: jsla at September 28, 2007 10:58 PM

He should be careful what he wishes for. Any greater understanding of Islam worldwide and the world will be at war with it!

Posted by: David England at September 28, 2007 11:00 PM

Hugh,

I spent a brief period in Malaysia in 1970, barely 2 years after the riots (1968) where many Indians and Chinese were murdered and raped. The official figures were 2000 killed, but people I talked to (Malays, Indians and Chinese) said it was more like 20.000.

There is very little on the net about this, and you will also note that less and less appears about the Indonesian riots, that seem to happen every 10 years or so. I believe the last time was in 98, so next year Indonesia's chinese would be up again for rape, murder and burning of their shops.

Stay tuned!

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at September 28, 2007 11:08 PM

"They ain't got nuthin on Mo. His con is still conning, with no end in sight.
How do we stop it?"
Posted by: darcy

This will help, thank you Cathy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpdzNUIxyos&mode=related&search=
Posted by: Catherine PM

What is needed is to shine the light of the sun on all of it, unceasingly, relentlessly as if our way of life depended on it.

Posted by: Davegreybeard at September 29, 2007 1:35 AM

Thanks, Catherine for the video...
It's just been pegged by "higher authorities" who found it "MOST interesting".

Dave, actually I think we need the "power of 1,000 suns" on all of it...because our lives DO depend on it.

Posted by: jcom972 at September 29, 2007 2:01 AM

"Malaysian PM: Western nations misunderstand Islam"

He is right about that
Posted by: Elric66

DID my brother Elric say that our so-called 'leaders' MISUNDERSTAND [ I apoplogize for the CAPS but I felt they were necessary in this context ] islam??!!

I say he is RIGHT!! As a matter of fact - THEY DO!!!

Or else they'd REFUSE to get paid by this insiduous enemy who will keep on paying them until they of ol' age are dead!! ..Only to devour - and rape - their children!

We should never assume that even the most corruptible among us would knowingly sell out their own children to an enemy which is known to brutally exterminate anyone who refuses to SUBMIT [islam] to their sick and hegemonist ideology.

Let noone be FOOLED.. the ENEMY is settling and entrenching itself deeply behind our [dar-el-harb] lines while we continue to wring our hands over how to properly treat the few whom our hamstruck [by the Fifth Column residing Within] security services are allowed to apprehend?

Posted by: Allahfanculo at September 29, 2007 3:05 AM

Universalism...Islam??? When Naseem convinces Champ or Darcy to convert, 'then' I will consider Islams 'universalism'. But I don't expect either of them to convert anytime soon...never I suspect...Well that ends 'universalism', it can't exist without them.
Just think about it, Champ and Darcy, are preventing Islam from being 'universal'. And all the pundits said it couldn't be done. Two against the multitude, and the two won...

Posted by: duh_swami at September 29, 2007 3:18 AM

Ya never know, swami...
...hell COULD freeze over tomorrow.
lol

Posted by: jcom972 at September 29, 2007 3:43 AM

I agree that most westerners do not understand Islam. That is: a majority is yet to discover the utter depravity of that murder cult, and the inherent belligerence of the informed Muslim.

Check out an abridgement of Maududi's "Political Theory of Islam." Maududi founded the Islamofascist, Jamaat-i-Islami of Lahore, Pigistan.

http://www.scholaris.com/islam/learning/PDF/DAE20_Political_Theory_Of_Islam.pdf

They see Qutb's "Social Justice in Islam." (Qutb's pollution of the earth ended when he was hanged by the Egyptian government)

http://www.scholaris.com/islam/learning/PDF/DAE17_The_Nature_Of_Social_Justice_In_Islam.pdf

Posted by: supercargo at September 29, 2007 4:39 AM

I agree that most westerners do not understand Islam. That is: a majority is yet to discover the utter depravity of that murder cult, and the inherent belligerence of the informed Muslim.

Check out an abridgement of Maududi's "Political Theory of Islam." Maududi founded the Islamofascist, Jamaat-i-Islami of Lahore, Pigistan.

http://www.scholaris.com/islam/learning/PDF/DAE20_Political_Theory_Of_Islam.pdf

They see Qutb's "Social Justice in Islam." (Qutb's pollution of the earth ended when he was hanged by the Egyptian government)

http://www.scholaris.com/islam/learning/PDF/DAE17_The_Nature_Of_Social_Justice_In_Islam.pdf

Posted by: supercargo at September 29, 2007 4:40 AM

Malaysia is the Pakistan of S.E.Asia it keeps its non-Muslim citizens in a state of dhimmitude by imposing the Bumiputera Laws at least two Malaysian States practice FULL sharia and the Sharia Courts have final say in religious disputes for ALL religions trumping the Civil Courts across all of Malaysia. Jemaiah Islamiah (JI) the Terrorist organisation responsible for all the Bali bombings and the Australian Embassy and Mariott Hotel bombings in Jakarta is LEGAL in Malaysia and this organisation wants to establish a Muslim Caliphate from the borders of India to and invcluding the Philippines and of course all countries in between. JI runs madrassas and Jihad camps in Malaysia and is a routing organisation for Jihadis from all over the region to Pakistan, Iraq and Afghanistan. Apart from its actions in Indonesia JI also supplies arms training and support for the Philippine Muslim Terrorist groups and of course safe haven for the Scum who cross the Thai border to kill Buddhist Monks,Teachers and children. Now what is this civilised society he is talking about because most definitely its NOT Malaysia.

Posted by: Realist at September 29, 2007 5:34 AM

"universalism" = total submission to Islam by apostates.
"tolerance" = after conversion or submission with tax payments.

Posted by: FiveOAdviser at September 29, 2007 5:36 AM

How do we stop it?

Posted by: darcy at September 28, 2007 8:49 PM

We cant until our so called leaders stop embracing multi culturalism.

Posted by: Elric66 at September 29, 2007 6:18 AM

We need to work on our Leaders, because they are the ones with the problem understanding Islam. They all believe the lie that Islam is a religion of peace.

If our Leaders would understand this, then we could begin to take action. Or we could wait until we're overrun with them like in Europe.

Then it's too late to stop it.

Posted by: Muzzl'em at September 29, 2007 8:10 AM

I agree that Western nations misunderstand Islam, but recent polls, such as the one showing that the proportion of Americans who now consider Islam to be violent has risen from 35% to 45%, are encouraging.
At the same time, I sense a decrease in prejudice against those who criticize Islam, as the number of radio and TV invitations that Robert Spencer receives has been increasing.
These trends should help foster more mutual understanding between Muslims and non-Muslims, eventually leading more Muslims to apostasy.
In the meantime, we can help advance the cause of human rights in Southeast Asia by forming stronger military ties to non-Muslim political entities.

Posted by: jewdog at September 29, 2007 8:39 AM

"At the same time, I sense a decrease in prejudice against those who criticize Islam, as the number of radio and TV invitations that Robert Spencer receives has been increasing". jewdog

I think you are exactly right which is why Fibrahim Hooper and the rest of the propagandists may go into attack mode. I doubt attacks will work because people are starting to see the attacks as Goebbels style propaganda.

The thing that strikes me most about Islam are its mandates to deception. They are even deceptive on the matter of race and ethnicity. Muslim countries (especially Arabs) are not ethnically diverse and they are very race-ethnicity conscious with regard to minorities where they are present in any large numbers. What they say is not what they do on this matter.

Muslim societies are even prone to genocide (Armenians, Darfur, Kurds, Jews etc.). (The psychotic-sock-puppet from Iran is reflective of a racist tendency in Islam that no amount of deceptive jive can hide forever from critical minds. Even their charges of "racism" (ironically made in ethnically diverse societies such as the US) ring hollow when one looks at the facts. That propaganda must be challenged, along with their other Fibrahim Hooper style lies and deceptions.

Spencer will prevail because he is speaking a truth that must be heard. Silence in this matter is like being silent about the spread of disease. It's not being civic minded.

Posted by: Frank at September 29, 2007 9:06 AM

Oh Badawi. You are a hypocrite. You tell the world about your religion and pretend to be so righteous. Please......stop the rot in you own country first.

Posted by: robusta at September 29, 2007 9:06 AM

"Universalism...Islam??? When Naseem convinces Champ or Darcy to convert, 'then' I will consider Islams 'universalism'. But I don't expect either of them to convert anytime soon...never I suspect...Well that ends 'universalism', it can't exist without them.
Just think about it, Champ and Darcy, are preventing Islam from being 'universal'. And all the pundits said it couldn't be done. Two against the multitude, and the two won..."

Posted by: duh_swami

LOL! Your assumption is correct, duh_swami - I believe I can speak for Champ when I assure you we will NOT, indeed NEVER, be converting! Wow, I feel so "puissant" (powerful) this morning after reading your post - My humble self is helping to prevent Islam from becoming "universal." ! Thanks, duh_swami, loved your post. I hope Champ sees it!

Posted by: darcy at September 29, 2007 10:12 AM

We cant until our so called leaders stop embracing multi culturalism.

Posted by: Elric66 at September 29, 2007 6:18 AM

Elric, yesterday I read this phrase in a column written by a student in a University newspaper:

"Diversity equals brilliance."

Well, after I finished getting sick upon realizing how brainwashed college students are, I commented upon that blanket statement with well, ok, let's get some cannibals in from New Guinea to add to the "brilliance."

Posted by: darcy at September 29, 2007 10:23 AM

duh_swami --

Ha Ha!! You always crack me up!! And thank you for your vote of confidence. Yeah, I'll convert to Islam when hell freezes over, which is expected to burn out like, N E V E R!!

Darcy --

You can speak for me any time you want, girlfriend, because you know me so well. Just the IDEA of converting to Islam is impossible for me to consider. They can have my head, but they will never have my heart -- that belongs to Jesus Christ!

Peace to you both!!

:)

Posted by: champ at September 29, 2007 2:35 PM

Hi Champ! Glad you saw duh_swami's post! Love it!

And you can speak for me too, girlfriend! Yes, my heart, too, belongs to Jesus. Not "Isa," only human, but JESUS, the Son of God. Hear that, you utterly deceived Islamists??? Utterly deceived by evil Mohammed, the FALSE "prophet."

"Beware of false prophets that come after me. You shall know them by their fruits." --Jesus, "Matthew."

Posted by: darcy at September 29, 2007 6:11 PM

What do you think would happen to Malaysia should all the Tamils leave for India or Singapore, and all Chinese leave for Taiwan, China or Singapore?

Asked by: Infidel Pride above.
------------------------------------------

Even better: What if they all left for a liberated and newly independent Sarawak.

It is past time for both Sarawak and Sabah to expel their Malaysian colonial masters and assume their rightful place among the nations of the earth. Incidently both Sarawak and Sabah would be two of the most mineral-rich countries in Asia, having substantial oil, natural gas, and other minerals.

Posted by: Provoslavni at September 29, 2007 6:25 PM

Hi Darcy! Yeah, duh_swami is the coolest! Have a great weekend!

Posted by: champ at September 29, 2007 9:02 PM