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Surrender. From The Associated Press (thanks to all who sent this in):
KABUL, Afghanistan: President Hamid Karzai offered Saturday to meet personally with Taliban leader Mullah Omar for peace talks and give the militants a high position in a government ministry as a way to end the rising insurgency in Afghanistan.Reiterating a call for negotiations he has made with increasing frequency over the last several weeks, Karzai also said he was willing to meet with factional warlord leader and former Prime Minister Gulbuddin Hekmatyar.
"If I find their address, there is no need for them to come to me, I'll personally go there and get in touch with them," Karzai said. "Esteemed Mullah, sir, and esteemed Hekmatyar, sir, why are you destroying the country?"
Karzai said he has contacts with Taliban militants through tribal elders but that there are no direct and open government communication channels with the fighters.
"If a group of Taliban or a number of Taliban come to me and say, 'President, we want a department in this or in that ministry or we want a position as deputy minister ... and we don't want to fight anymore ... If there will be a demand and a request like that to me, I will accept it because I want conflicts and fighting to end in Afghanistan," Karzai said.
"I wish there would be a demand as easy as this. I wish that they would want a position in the government. I will give them a position," he said.
Karzai earlier this month renewed a call for talks with the Taliban, and a spokesman for the militant group initially said the fighters might be open to negotiations. But spokesman Qari Yousef Ahmadi later said foreign troops must first leave the country — a demand Karzai said Saturday he would not meet.
"It should be very clear until all our roads are paved, until we have good electricity and good water, and also until we have a better Afghan national army and national police, I don't want any foreigners to leave Afghanistan," he said.
Read that last paragraph again.
Posted by Robert at September 29, 2007 10:32 AM
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WTF is Karzai thinking? These "good" muslims ain't no better than the "bad" muslims. The road to Hell is paved with them.
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at September 29, 2007 10:40 AM
Let the man in the green cape and his Taliban partners in peace join in 'peaceful' projects and pave their own roads and string their own electrical lines. It would be therapeutic for all involved; let our troops come home. We have plenty of work for them on our own borders.
Posted by: maryrose at September 29, 2007 10:45 AM
'"It should be very clear until all our roads are paved, until we have good electricity and good water, and also until we have a better Afghan national army and national police, I don't want any foreigners to leave Afghanistan," he said.
Read that last paragraph again.'
I did. Rich in irony, the media in the other parts of the world, did not quite like the selection of Hamid Karzai because he had no grass root support in Afghanistan. And the theory was he would do exactly what the US A asked him to do (after all there is plenty of money to be made rebuilding countries). And now JW is complaining because he is saying exactly what the puppet masters want him to say.
Posted by: cerebate at September 29, 2007 11:02 AM
Just more confirmation how "moderate" Muslims truly view their more "extreme" brothers in the faith. They are not apostates or UnIslamic to them, just misunderstood by the western infidels.
Posted by: SoteriA at September 29, 2007 11:19 AM
cerebate
"And now JW is complaining because he is saying exactly what the puppet masters want him to say"
would you care to elaborate and what is meant by this? Your statement is obtuse. What puppet masters? What exact complaint do you refer?
Posted by: USorThem at September 29, 2007 11:23 AM
Thousands of former Taliban fighters have laid down their arms over the past two years. It is either that or NATO, and the US will have to continue fighting them. The main and over riding concern is to neutralize their radical ideology that has caused so much destruction to the country over a decade. That will be the greatest difficulty of all because of the entrenched Islamic mind set that is not as easy to debrief than were the former Nazis, and imperialist Japanese military. Most important President Karzai and his government must not capitulate to any demands made by the Taliban whatsoever.
Posted by: Mackie at September 29, 2007 11:34 AM
Foreigners must stay until 'all' the roads are paved. That's a big order, did anyone order asphalt?
Posted by: duh_swami at September 29, 2007 11:52 AM
President Karzai said
It should be very clear until all our roads are paved, until we have good electricity and good water, and also until we have a better Afghan national army and national police, I don't want any foreigners to leave Afghanistan
Another Muslim forthrightly explaining the Muslim thought process and worldview. How clearly do they have to speak before we finally get it?
Posted by: special_guest at September 29, 2007 11:58 AM
"Esteemed Mullah, sir, and esteemed Hekmatyar, sir, why are you destroying the country? ..."
"...It should be very clear until all our roads are paved, until we have good electricity and good water, and also until we have a better Afghan national army and national police, I don't want any foreigners to leave Afghanistan"
- President Hamid Karzai
In other words, let these infidels fix the country, then we'll kick 'em out.
Posted by: Mike_W at September 29, 2007 12:03 PM
"It should be very clear until all our roads are paved, until we have good electricity and good water, and also until we have a better Afghan national army and national police, I don't want any foreigners to leave Afghanistan," he said.
Read that last paragraph again.
Once is enough. You don't need a drawing to get the picture.
Only the moonbat Bush and his Peecee Way of Warfare doesn't get it!
I want a President who will bust the place up and then leave. And no U.\N. shenanigans with "refugees" entering the Western countries.
Burn down the poppy fields and pllow the earth with salt if they ever grow poppies again.
I am SICK of this cuddly globalism!
Posted by: Allahfanculo at September 29, 2007 12:17 PM
Just more evidence of how very, very tiring the entire Islamic world is, whether "moderate" or "radical." Yeah, Omar is worse than Karzai but Karzai is still a Muslim and that's more than bad enough. What a burden to the entire world Mohammed's creed is. I'm so sick of Islam.
Posted by: Wellington at September 29, 2007 1:00 PM
Eff em all! How long before Karzai, who is nothing more than mayor of Kabul, has his head on a pike. Would you risk death or mutilation to keep him in power? Would you send your son or daughter?
Posted by: MP at September 29, 2007 1:13 PM
Someone had posted a comment alluding to the fact that Karzai is our puppet and we tell him what to do. I recall reading and article or seeing a documentary that stated our previous Ambassador Khalizaid, now UN Ambassador, went with him to meetings, etc. and told him what to do and say on a daily basis, which would make him our puppet. Mullah Omar is in Quetta, Pakistan and if we really wanted to get him we could.
Here's another piece of info you won't hear on the MSM.....when our forces raided Omar's compound they found a pet monkey living inside in very bad condition. Our Army took the monkey and nursed it back to health. Then the monkey bit someone so they had to put it down. It amazed me that any Taliban would have a pet, let alone a monkey. It also says something about our forces that would nurse his monkey back to health. We've got a good group of guys on our side who care about living things.
Posted by: Bonniea at September 29, 2007 1:57 PM
USorThem
Merely that its in the American corporations monetary interest to rebuild afghanistan and in America's strategic interests to have a presence in afghanistan, and Mr Karzai is trying to justify the above.
at September 29, 2007 2:18 PM
Sure the monkey was a pet? in some places "Mmmmm, Monkey - It's what's for dinner!"
Posted by: MP at September 29, 2007 4:00 PM
Go to the RAWA site and see that Karzai heads a band of tyrants, puppets of the US and Globalist brigades. There is very little evidence of "freedom" as Westerners would view freedom. They are Islamic zombies still at the helm persecuting women, enforcing religious law everything alien to the American ideals. It raises the question that Islamic tyranny goes hand in had with economic Globalism and that is why Bush calls the creeps of saudi Arabia "friends" when they represent the most backward, tyrannical, repressed state on the planet. Indeed the Afghan government is a stitch better than the taliban. They'll certainly fit in.
We went their a blew up the Jihadist camps. Lets do the same on the Pakistani border and then bring our troops home. We should have nothing to do with these brainwashed, Islamic zombies. Leave them in the filth and ignorance that they've been living in for the past 1400 years and don't believe that they are going to so swifly accept the way of freedom like we do.
Help the revolutionary forces in Afghanistan of which this Karzai government is the enemy. Help the revolutionary forces in Iran overthrow the mullahs.This Bush fails to do because he looks as these lands as future economic watersheds for the New World order. Like the Islamists, our own president is a liar:
"We will not distiguish between the enemy and those who harbor the enemy."
"Islam is the Religion of Peace"
Smokescreens as he goes to bed with the Islamist tyrants across the world.
Posted by: Briars at September 29, 2007 4:02 PM
Monkey may not have been dinner either......let me remind you of the Fatah "Caught on Tapes" lol
Posted by: Sneakyzionistcrusader at September 29, 2007 4:45 PM
MP, if it was food, they wouldn't have kept it in the house. That would be more in Far East Asian cultures, like Malaysia. Taliban eat goat and lamb.
Posted by: Bonniea at September 29, 2007 4:57 PM
lol @ topic
Imagine reading:
"Caesar offers 'goths a place in government for peace deal"
LOL
Posted by: jcom972 at September 29, 2007 10:16 PM
So let's see. Quick role call
AThe Taliban will soon be back in power
and
B The foreigners will be in the country to build roads, nice little parks, lovely clean hospitals, etc.
How much do you want to bet that
A Bush and NATO will herald this as a success
and
B there will still be posters defending this whole Operation "Let's give Iraq and Afghanistand Freedom"
Posted by: ewha1 at September 30, 2007 1:49 AM
From AFC "Read that last paragraph again"
I know, breathtaking isn't it.
And AFC:"Only the moonbat Bush and his Peecee Way of Warfare doesn't get it!"
Unfortunately, there are more than a few geniuses on this site who still support this whole sorry charade in Iraq and Afghanistan.
And AFC :"I am SICK of this cuddly globalism!"
Well said AllahFanCulo. And you said it. It beggars belief that people who call themselves conservatives can in the very next breath call for the spending of trillions of dollars so that islamists can experience freedom and demAAAAcracy.
Posted by: ewha1 at September 30, 2007 2:03 AM
If Shariah law is established, then nothing will have been achieved, except to make Afghanistan a better place for the Taliban to ruin, like they did before... and all our boys will have died in vain.
IF Bush allows Shariah law back to Afghanistan, then he's betrayed not on the Afghan people, but the allies - and America.
Posted by: Jerusalem Posts at September 30, 2007 6:14 AM
I think people here are underestimating Karzai and his offer. Canada has one of the larger combat forces in Afghanistan (and has taken by far the most fatalities as a percentage). The Conservatives have a minority government and are under much pressure from the opposition (especially the NDP) to pull out of Afghanistan. The NDP position is to conduct talks with the Taliban. Karzai recently visited Ottawa and gave a speech asking for foreign troops, Canadian in particular, to remain (Canadian forces have a 2009 scheduled departure). What better way to flush out the Taliban and the idiocy of negotiating with them than to make an offer only to have it thrown right back.
Posted by: johnb at October 1, 2007 11:14 AM
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