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October 3, 2007

"Terrorism expert" says boredom, sense of insignificance lead to jihad

Here's another hint: None of the jihadists are Methodists. Or Hindus, Unitarians, Catholics, or Buddhists. And yet, there are plenty of Methodists, Hindus, Unitarians, Catholics, Buddhists, and others who are either bored, feeling stuck in a rut in life, or who feel a need to seek out and serve a higher purpose than material success or the well-worn routine of their possibly quite comfortable existence. How many of them are carrying out bombings and other crimes in the name of their religion?

So, something's missing in this analysis of "Islamic extremism": The Islamic part of the equation, which Marc Sageman won't touch with a ten-foot pole except to note the jihadists under consideration "generally had little scholarly knowledge of Islam or an intellectual framework behind their extremist views." In other words, Sageman's analysis is hamstrung by its basis in the politically correct dogma that jihadists misunderstand the Islamic religion, and that "Islam is peace." For that matter, the "scholarly knowledge" notion is a bit of a red herring. Many devout practicioners of various religions do not have "scholarly knowledge" of their faith, relying instead on scripture and the guidance of clergy. Again, far fewer such "unscholarly" Lutherans, for example, are "misunderstanding" their religion in violent ways.

"Jihadists' boredom a 'common trait'," by Tom Allard for The Age:

A SENSE of boredom and frustration with their "insignificant" lives is a common trait of people who become violent jihadis, according to leading terrorism expert.
Marc Sageman is a former CIA officer who worked with the Afghan mujahideen in the 1980s and early 1990s.
He left the US intelligence service and became a clinical psychiatrist, giving him some perspective on Islamic extremism.
He has spent the past few years researching terrorist networks and their radicalisation. He said terrorist recruits might range from highly educated doctors to unemployed youths. "There's nothing mysterious about these guys," he said. "It's not about being brainwashed. They are all too human."
Mr Sageman, who will be the keynote speaker at this week's Safeguarding Australia conference in Canberra, said yesterday: "If there's one thing they have in common … it is that they have had very insignificant lives.
"You have a lot of people who are bored out of their minds.
"Joining this movement brings significance to their lives."
It was friendship that brought together and bound terrorist networks, rather than a common economic or religious experience.
Mr Sageman, adjunct professor of psychology at Penn University, said the behaviour of terrorist groups was not driven by what members thought, but rather how they felt.
They generally had little scholarly knowledge of Islam or an intellectual framework behind their extremist views.
"They live a parallel life, a virtual fantasy life," he said. "They assume an online persona that's more violent and significant than real life."
Exaggerating the terror threat only fed terrorists by enhancing their sense of power, he said.

Another vague remark. Who, if anyone, is exaggerating the threat, in his opinion?

Posted by Marisol at October 3, 2007 4:24 PM
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I know just how they feel Im a go blow some folks up and I promise they wil be innocent.

Posted by: GrennBeck [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 4:34 PM

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Posted by: traeh [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 4:35 PM

Thank God this guy is no longer working at the CIA

Posted by: eve_anne_gelical [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 4:35 PM

that was a joke guys

Posted by: GrennBeck [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 4:37 PM

""If there's one thing they have in common … it is that they have had very insignificant lives."


...switch to Christianity and Jesus and this will change....

Posted by: exsgtbrown [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 4:38 PM

It appears tha everythign causes jihad amongst Muslims, everything except Islam of course.

Posted by: awake [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 4:46 PM

lol@ sageman...
Another anti-western "flies cause garbage" remark.
(and the naive ones wonder why the effort to overhaul CIA, lol)

He's classic case-in-point of the CIA's common sense being replaced & infested with the pahblum poison known as political correctness.

Also case-in-point why even W wanted to overhaul them (which triggered a massive outcry by the infestations' & brownshirted 5th column allies in politics, the MSM, and mostly the soros-istas -another clue as to collusive efforts at same infestation).
Just more proof, our biggest enemy isn't even from without...it's from within. Take out the enemy within, and the enemy without will be dealt with much easier.

Posted by: jcom972 [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 4:49 PM

"Take out the enemy within, and the enemy without will be dealt with much easier.

Posted by: jcom972"

....amen!...ban muslim immigration...

Posted by: exsgtbrown [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 4:54 PM

I love it when we get the explanation that these jihadists were radicalized by the internet.

Just wait till fantasy football gets rolling. We will be innundated with a lot of new pro-football stars!!!!!

It can all be done by the internet!!!!

Let's see if I've got the reasoning correct.

I am Islamic.

When I get bored I blow things up!

I think I will go to heaven by killing people!

This is why I've been told that my religion is one of peace!

Yeah, I think I've got it!

Posted by: credit man [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 4:56 PM

I reject this formulation by Mr. Allen -- but there's a grain of truth in it nevertheless.

Islam reduces its followers to chattel of Allah. There is an endless menu of proscriptions and allowances within Islam which control every aspect of their day. A Muslim must constantly ask: "Is it permitted?" (halal) or "Is it forbidden?" (haram, and must refer to priest/interpreters of Islamic history and 'law' to understand the "proper Islamic course".

A great confusion enters the discussion when Western citizens hear these quaint deceptive terms of "allowed" and "forbidden" -- for unlike humans in the West who first understood their freedom to choose according such institutions as certain strands of Greek philosophy or the Judeo Christian bible, the Muslims are reduced to "slaves of Allah" -- surrendered defeated humans who are reduced to the level of followers of rules -- but not choosers -- not free.

To that extent, Muslims are indeed insignificant as human beings. It is not MY formulation or opinion which makes them so -- it's Islam itself. And it's an injustice of astronomical proportions for Muslims to blame US for the degradation which their heinous belief system condemns them to. It's Islam, after all, which makes them feel powerless and insignificant as human beings, not we.

I think this hideous projection by Muslims, their endless sense of insult and outrage is seminal to their vile Jihad -- and one of the mechanisms that makes it virtually impossible for them to moderate their sewer system of a 'religion'.

One question which must be asked is this: How long will Westerners endure the crimes and insults from this hideous culture and "religion" of stupidity embodied in Islam? We have shown a forebearance greater than that of Job, and continue to tolerate them on our soil despite all their atrocities, and their blaming of us for their gargantuan shortcomings on earth.

I am sick of it. I want to see them expelled -- for I see absolutely no prospect whatsoever that Muslims have the courage to face the truth about the utter brokenness and servile degradation that Islam causes in the world. Even those so-called "moderates" among them always project and blame external forces for the insult which Islam imposes on its votaries. They too are guilty then of an abomination against all non-Muslims of the world.

We must insulate ourselves against their poisonous insanity before it's too late. We are not responsible for their failures -- they are responsible, yet show zero capacity to face this devastating truth.

Posted by: jsla [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 4:57 PM

Greetings:

My father told me, several times unfortunately, that it's not what you don't know that gets you into trouble, it's what you know that's wrong.

Posted by: 11B40 [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 5:11 PM

Having forced myself to read they their "holy" texts, I know just how they feel.

Bored almost beyond bearing.

The Koran: boredom documented, regimented and implemented.

Posted by: profitsbeard [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 5:13 PM

jsla,
(if I may supplement your take)
I think we all agree on the two points "boredom" and "insignificance" are factors...they're just two grains of sand on a beachcoast for all they're worth.

If taken literally, yes...they ARE "A factor", but by no means "THE factor" as he's alluding to-not just secondary, but don't even rate tertiary status as far as causes (I burst out laughing when I read this BS, lol).

I cast my ridicule on the guy's take as they're making a mountain of a molehill...the "boredom" & "insignificance" was due to their imams power & control racket, and their willingness to blindly comply without question...and for this clown to imply "enhancing" a terror threat (reading that as "calling a spade a spade") as actually causing more terrorism is beyond illucid...hence, my "flies cause garbage" comment.

Thanks to Marisol for bringing this laughable segment to our attention.

Posted by: jcom972 [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 5:19 PM

"They are all too human." says Mr. Sageman.

Well, that explains everything. Here we were all thinking they were animals, beasts, inhuman. And it turns out that they're too human. It's a funny thing, humanity; one can have too little, or too much. It's a miracle that so many of us have just enough humanity that we don't go around murdering other people at random. And how strange it is that virtually all the ones that are "too human" are moslems.

Posted by: ebonystone [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 5:24 PM

Marc Sageman is a Boredophobe! How dare he blame boredom for jihadist.

Posted by: greatcometof1577 [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 5:35 PM

You can say all you want about the jihadis and the reasons for their murderous ways. However, they sure took the pressure off the IRA as being the premier terror group. Yup, those lads just couldn't compete with them jihadi fellows.

In fact many IRA members are feeling a little left out, a little insignificant, even a little bored..........uh,oh

Posted by: billyoblog [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 5:38 PM

Lets see...

Boredom + Insignificance = Jihad

....and they call this guy a "terrorist expert". Yeah, he's an expert like I'm the Queen of England. Sounds like he might make a better counselor for troubled teens than an expert on terrorism.

Posted by: champ [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 5:39 PM

In fact this site should start to add -phobe to the end of every idiotic reason given for jihadist violence in honor of them always calling the people who run this site Islamophobes.

Hooper is a Free-Speechophobe for example or Westernophobe

or

just do you own...

X-o-phobe

X = your choice of phobia for that person.

Posted by: greatcometof1577 [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 5:41 PM

We need more champions like Robert Spencer! Hey Robert, what are you doing in '08?

Posted by: champ [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 5:41 PM

Did you really expect anything better from an ex-CIA officer?

Central Intelligence is an oxymoron.

We are on our own, folks. Don't look to the government for help.

Posted by: LoneRanger [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 5:48 PM

THE REAL REASON MAY BE SEXUAL FRUSTRATION AMONG MUSLIM MALES

Most suicide bombers are Muslim
Suicide missions are not always religiously motivated, but according
to Oxford University sociologist Diego Gambetta, editor of Making
Sense of Suicide Missions, when religion is involved, the attackers
are always Muslim. It has a lot to do with sex, or, in this case, the absence of
sex.
What distinguishes Islam from other major religions is that it
tolerates polygyny. By allowing some men to monopolize all women and
altogether excluding many men from reproductive opportunities,
polygyny creates shortages of available women. If 50 percent of men
have two wives each, then the other 50 percent don't get any wives at
all.

So polygyny increases competitive pressure on men, especially young
men of low status. It therefore increases the likelihood that young
men resort to violent means to gain access to mates. By doing so, they
have little to lose and much to gain compared with men who already
have wives. Across all societies, polygyny makes men violent,
increasing crimes such as murder and rape, even after controlling for
such obvious factors as economic development, economic inequality,
population density, the level of democracy, and political factors in
the region.

However, polygyny itself is not a sufficient cause of suicide bombing.
Societies in sub-Saharan Africa and the Caribbean are much more
polygynous than the Muslim nations in the Middle East and North
Africa. And they do have very high levels of violence. Sub-Saharan
Africa suffers from a long history of continuous civil wars-but not
suicide bombings.

The other key ingredient is the promise of 72 virgins waiting in
heaven for any martyr in Islam. The prospect of exclusive access to
virgins may not be so appealing to anyone who has even one mate on
earth, which strict monogamy virtually guarantees. However, the
prospect is quite appealing to anyone who faces the bleak reality on
earth of being a complete reproductive loser.

It is the combination of polygyny and the promise of a large harem of
virgins in heaven that motivates many young Muslim men to commit
suicide bombings. Consistent with this explanation, all studies of
suicide bombers indicate that they are significantly younger than not
only the Muslim population in general but other (nonsuicidal) members
of their own extreme political organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah.
And nearly all suicide bombers are single.

Posted by: machira [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 5:53 PM

"You have a lot of people who are bored out of their minds"

MY GOD, as screwed up as the CRAPISTANS are that the mohamedians live in, there is no excuse for boredom!! There is so much to be built, cleaned up, and improved, any human being with a desire to excell would be occupied for a thousand lifetimes... But then again, when dealing with mohamedians, you need to take in the islam factor which causes people to take 3 steps backward for everyone foreward.

Posted by: Armalite [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 5:57 PM

"Boredom"...

Ennui. Baudelaire's "Spleen." Gogol's "Skuchno na etom svete, gospoda" at the end of "Nevskij Prospekt." That's the ticket now.

First it was "poverty." But they all turned out to be middle-class or rich, far better off, and far better educated, than the run-of-the-mill Muslims, so it couldn't be that.

Then it was "sexual tension." But then there were those who pointed out that Bin Laden and many of his pals had all the wives they could afford, and then some, so it couldn't be that.

Now it's "boredom." So what are we Infidels to do? Shall we all become a race of Noel Cowards, with "a talent to amuse," and make sure we keep Muslims all around the world -- not known for their sense of humor -- constantly in stitches, or occupied with things to do, so that they don't, heaven forfend, become "deadly bored" with the "bored" part applying to them and the "deadly" part applying to us, their victims?

Might it, could it, just possibly be that Muslims, whose ideology covers everything, that is a religion and a politics and an economics and a geopolitics and a book of etiquette and a social order and a manual of hygiene and a guide to the right sports and a clothing guide and a guide to hairstyles and to everything under the sun, and who grow up in societies, or in families, suffused with Islam, or if they are new converts, are smothered by their minders -- they are assigned minders in the first period just after their "reversion" to make sure that there are no hitches, no backsliding, no finding out of something that might cause someone to change his mind -- with Islam, Islam, Islam, might what those texts-- Qur'an and Hadith and Sira -- say, actually have an effect on the minds of Believers, when those passages are known to all Muslims, when they are the stuff of the khutbas at Friday Prayers, when they are known or if not known by heart, known in their essence, known by the attitudes they create, the atmospherics that they give rise to.

And if Arabs are "bored" in Saudi Arabia, then why doesn't the government make them work, and send home more of those wage-slave expatriates? Why do the Arabs of the Gulf sheikdoms and Saudi Arabia, why do rich Muslims, do nothing but enjoy their 345-foot yachts, and their private 747s, and their callgirls, and the entire floors rented at the most expensive hotels in Monte Carlo, or in London or Paris or in a thousand other places. How can we, the Infidels, get them to work? How can we repair their dysfunctional countries, with the despotism that Islam encourages, and the inshallah-fatalism that explains why, despite ten trillion dollars in OPEC revenues, not a single oil-rich Arab state has created a modern economy? How can we allow them to be less bored because they might enjoy music, if most music is forbidden in Islam? How can we make sure that they will have programs where something other than Islam, or than news about Islam, or about the perfidious Infidels, is broadcast? Can we give them our literature, our science, our art? Will they laugh at "The Office" or "My Name Is Earl" or "Curb Your Enthusiasm"? Will they suddenly discover the literature of the Infidels, and be allowed to read it freely?

And in the Western world, when was the last time you saw a Muslim at Gettysburg? At the bridge in Concord? At the Smithsonian? When do you find Muslims taking an interest in the art -- the painting and sculpture -- of the non-Muslim world? We all know, from that famous U.N. Report, that the number of books translated by all 22 of the members of the Arab League, is smaller than the number of books translated into Greek, and we also know that most of those translated are about technology, for that is the subject that Muslims take an interest in, not in the poetry, or philosophy, or anything else that has made the West the West. And as to the non-West, one can note that in India for example, only Al-Biruni took early on an interest, and no Muslims following him did so, in the civilization of India, and it was the British, not the Muslim conquerors, who learned Sanskrit, who collected and rescued early manuscripts, who helped the Indians rediscover their own past, the past that the Muslims chose to destroy or ignore.

So even if there were a tiny squeak of truth in this business of "boredom," what should we do with it?

The real point is this: Muslims, when they are bored, because they are too rich to work, or bored, because they are unemployed but have managed to stay, say, on the Western dole or live in a sheikdom so rich that they are taken care of, will naturally turn to Islam, the only thing they know, to fill their minds, and to direct their search for meaning. And the kind of meaning they seek is the meaning associated with finding someone or some thing to blame. And what would it be, if you viewed the universe through the prism of Islam. Who would you blame?

We blame, when we are out of sorts or worse, our parents, or our children, or our spouses, or our girlfriends, or our boyfriends, our The System, or The Boss, or capitalism, or Nafta, or Amerika, or Fate, or our serotonin level, or our cholesterol level, or something, anything and even, at times, ourselves.

Muslims don't do that. They don't have to. They have someone to blame. Always. Who do you think they will blame for everything in Iraq? Hint: it won't be Muslims. Who do you think the "Palestinians" blame for the war between the rival gangs, the Crips and the Bloods of Gaza and the "West Bank," the Slow Jihadists of Fatah and the Fast Jihadists of Hamas? Who do you think the Egyptians blame for the corrupt regime of Mubarak with his Family-and-Friends Plan? Who do Saudis, who hate the Al-Saud family for stealing so much of the nation's wealth, blame for the continued existence of that Al-Saud family? Who do the Yemenis blame? The Pakistanis, for their own lords of misrule, their zamindars and generals and demagogues? Who do the Muslims of Malaysia blame? Who does the regime of Bashir in Khartoum blame, when it sometimes is prevented from carrying out quite so completely, with such ease and such dispatch, its genocidal plans against non-Muslim black Sudanese, and non-Arab Muslim black Sudanese?

Who?

You know who is to blame. It is you. It is I. It is every Infidel in the world, who have made Muslims rich, or poor, or bored, or too excited, or happy, or sad. It's never the fault of Muslims. It's always the fault of Infidels. Also sprach Muhammad. And through him, Allah.

That's all ye know on earth, and all ye need to know -- if you are a Muslim.

Posted by: Hugh [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 5:58 PM

Look out. Hugh's on fire.

Posted by: traeh [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 6:15 PM

islam is the only religion in the world that has the need for the word jihad.

Posted by: infidel! [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 6:24 PM

Act One of Chekhov's "The Seagull" takes place on Sorin's estate.

As the curtain rises, we see MEDVEDENKO and MASHA.

MEDVEDENKO: "Why do you always wear black?"

MASHA: "I'm in mourning for my life. I'm unhappy."


Yes, Muslims are just a bunch of heavily-bewhiskered Mashas. They are "in mourning for their lives." "They're unhappy."

But who is really in mourning for their lives, or for the lives of all the Infidels who have been murdered in attacks, in 9,000 attacks by Muslims all over the world since 9/11/2001? Who is under attack in southern Thailand? In the Moluccas in Indonesia? In Bali? In southern Sudan, where the government of Bashir is ignoring the treaty it signed to such great fanfare? In Iraq, where the Christians are being harried out by both Sunni Arabs and Shi'a Arabs? In Pakistan and Bangladesh, where Christian schools and institutions are bombed, and where Hindus walking near a mosque when the crowd gets out have been beaten to death by excitable Muslims? In Paris, with the Halimi boy kidnapped and tortured for being a Jew? In Madrid, where the Muslim bombers blew up people at Atocha station? In London, on those busses? In the Moscow Theatre showing "Nord"? In Beslan, at the school?

Whatever mourning Muslims are doing for their own wretched and indeed quite boring lives (how could they not be boring, given what Islam says about painting, sculpture, music, science, free and skeptical inquiry, real as opposed to feigned friendship with non-Muslims, and of course, in the West, the constant tension of having to lie, lie, lie about the contents of Islam, incessantly, and to somehow expect that living this constant lie, lying to every non-Muslim who, in the friendliest or most innocent fashion, simply wants to know a bit more -- I'm not talking about those who know more, and are just testing the Muslims to see what they say -- well, of course existence is difficult. And it should be.

Mashas all. And we, the Infidels, are to be assigned the role of so many inquiring Medvedenkos.

Chekhov would have had a quiet -- a very quiet, being Anton Pavlich Chekhov and all -- fit.

Posted by: Hugh [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 6:53 PM

Hugh-

A translator of Baudelaire caught the essence of one thought in his poem "To The Reader" brilliantly:

"It's Boredom, that would swallow the world with a yawn."

To me, that captures the essence of Islam.

Posted by: profitsbeard [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 6:53 PM

Yea, a bunch of young doctors working thier way through medical school, internships and residencies . . .the dictionary definition of boredom.

Oh, and those "crazy kids" in Florida that were sooo bored with thier lives that they loaded thier car up with "fireworks" and took a little vacation up to South Carolina for some fun. Just to break up the monotony ya know.

Good thing this guy isn't still at the CIA.

Posted by: walterc [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 7:01 PM

Burn, Hugh, Burn!!

Whup it on em, big guy!

You dont want us to get bored out here.

Posted by: guide inside [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 7:05 PM

The MSM and those who feed it provide Islam all the excuses they need to blame us for everything.

The Main enemy we face is the level of supression of actual truth in any report you here.

The above article is a classic example of mis- leading reporting. This view is expressed simply because it is gives the desired impression. Every day another expert gives some half ass reason why Islam does what it does. The list has to be in the Hundreds of Thousands by now.

Everyday we hear how peaceful islam is. Usually right after one of them Killed somebody(s). Rioted over some precieved slight, or some other reasons too numerous to list

Right now, Multi-Culturalism is a bigger threat than the Jihad. White people telling us Islam is peaceful while all the Brown people express the exact opposite. If your White and accept what the Brown is saying, then you have become a Racist and Labeled as such. There is no discussion as to why there is agreement.

Multi-Culturalism itself cannot stand on the Truth and withers completely when against Islam.

Everybody really does not want to "just get along" Often for extreamly good reasons. Through out History, there has never been a time where everybody just got along.

The truth is being replace by wishfull thinking and Reality with Dreams.

Personally, the MSM will have more to worry about than all the Muslims in the Country when the blow comes. At that point the people will find out who really has been lying to them. Blame Bush, for sure, be he still in Office or not. However, it will not answer for the Multi-Cultural Lie perpertrated for the previous 40 years.

The Truth is there for all to witness if they but open their Eyes to see.

Posted by: flowerknife_us [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 7:16 PM

here we go with the islamic terrorists are just victim argument. He has learned nothing in afgahanistan.

Posted by: desidude [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 7:19 PM

I noticed an article by another terrorism expert at American Thinker a few weeks ago written with the byline:

"Brett McCrea served for ten years as an Intelligence Analyst for the U.S. Department of Justice and the U.S. Department of Defense. He currently teaches at Wilmington University in Delaware."

Great, another terrorism expert.

Two quotes from our expert's article:

"As someone who has professionally examined terrorism for over a decade, I think that the main fuel for this phenomenon is ideology."

Ground-breaking stuff.

His prescription. More Bush doctrine:

"One way to defeat that idea is to replace it with another. Many dismiss the practicality of aggressively advancing democracy in the Middle East. However, I think it is a good idea."

http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/09/why_iraq_matters_to_me.html

Posted by: USorThem [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 7:19 PM

Figures that Sageman is a psychology professor and making excuses for Islamic bad behavior. Boredom indeed. Can't help but here recall the old adage that you major in sociology if you secretly hate society and you major in psychology if you secretly hate yourself. Political correctness and multiculturalism are each a form of Western self-loathing and a psychology professor is perfectly trained to embrace both of these excuse-making phenomena to "explain" why so many Muslims behave badly. Here's a thought for Sageman: Muslims behave badly because of Islam.

Posted by: Wellington [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 7:55 PM

Boredom is the symptom of a weak intellect.

For crying out loud, get a job, pick up a book, or learn a new skill!

Posted by: atheling [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 8:08 PM

atheling-

My grandmother used to say to my spoiled cousins:

"Boredom is the growling of an empty head."

I never had time for it, being too fascinated by the permutationss of dirt, or behavior of spiders, or sunlight refracting through a broken piece of glass, or studying drifting dandelion fluff, for such self-defeating silliness.

She was right.

Posted by: profitsbeard [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 8:37 PM

So Islamic terrorists, we are being told, are "bored out of their minds"! (even with all those pretty Islamic terrorist explosions and infidels' flying body parts and rivers of blood flowing everywhere and women and children screaming and running for cover--huh???)?

Oh, now I've heard everything. Give us a break!!

Islam in practice removes the last scrap of Muslims' very identities and in doing so eliminates what ever "mind" these people may have had in the first place.

Islam is tself is armed (and designed) to kill. And it programs its minions to do this by removing their minds and consciences.

This "terrorism expert" is himself a global menace. His "theories" could cause any sane individual to die laughing at any moment!

Posted by: pythagoras [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 8:43 PM

Articles I've been reading lately have given me more insight into "jihad":
(and the bright, educated men who are drawn to it)

(1) Islam is essentially Arab-centric, with nomadic, collectivist values
(2) Islam is "shame-based" with a belief that honor is a thing displayed to and judged by outsiders; if something damages your honor you must destroy it to redeem your honor
(3) Nomads' battle tactics tend to be quick strikes on an unsuspecting victim. Daring raids, as upon caravans or other nomads' encampments, garner honor for the raiders and their tribe; they have the opportunity to acquire booty and women, and the tribe risks only the men taking part in the raid. This pattern of raiding also serves as an aggression-relief valve, keeping the battles focused on outsiders and avoiding (for the most part) attempts to overthrow the tribal leadership.
(4) Nomads by definition move around; they don't develop much in the way of art, music, writing, except what they're willing to carry around from camp to camp.
(5) When the sons of a nomadic culture step outside that culture and encounter a settlement- or territory- based culture, which has bustling cities, tall buildings, farmed lands; which has developed art/ music/ philosophy/ libraries/ public works and the other niceties that wealth and leisure make possible, they feel shame. They may breed fine camels, they may have memorized their tribe's epic poems, but these things are not valued in that outer land-based world. (Ask yourself why Saudi Arabia and Dubai and the UAE are building so many skyscrapers... are they "killing their shame"?)
(6) By extension, when middle- or upper- class parents of the Middle East send their sons off to university, in hopes of having them better their lives by stepping outside the limited possibilities of the local culture, these boys read literature that is not theirs, they study scientific theories that are not native to them, they're memorizing facts and histories and studying books that have no mention of anybody from their culture. They realize their "culture" has no relevance to this greater world. No Turks, no Saudis, no Iranians, no Iraqis, no Egyptians, no Pakistanis, are cited as developers of new ideas or technologies. They hear about Russians, Americans, French, British, German, Chinese, Indians, who are famous inventors, scholars and scientists. But there's nobody from their own society. They again feel shame. What can they do to counteract that shame? Grab hold of the one thing they've got that they can claim as "wonderful" or "exalted" or "beyond the glories of this world": Islam. Islam pronounces itself the "perfect religion" as well as the "perfect society"; it touts its moral superiority over all other beliefs; it denigrates the accomplishments of Western Civilization; and it declares that everything that is "Other" --not Islamic-- is a threat to the existence of Islam and the supremacy of Allah and the perfect-man prophet Mohammed. What better way to rid yourself of shame over your culture's poor showing in the world than to discount and demean the cultures to which you don't measure up? And, since shame is external, you can destroy the shame by destroying that outer culture that does not honor you or respect your beliefs. If you can't actually "destroy" it, you can at least gain honor by following the time-honored nomadic "hit-and-run" tactic. Mount a daring and hopefully lethal raid against some subset of the "Other", get the shock-and-awe reaction, and now you're a winner! If you survive, you've scored a major hit against them (and gained honor while giving them a major dose of shame, to your way of thinking). If you don't survive, the "perfect religion" you've taken so much to heart guarantees you honor in the hereafter, and your tribe/family gains honor from your valiant attempt anyway. Win-win! (from the point of view of a culture in which shame is intolerable.)

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To quote from an article by Fjordman (with some amendments)
"... Muslims look back with fondness to their days of glory and try to recover (their power of yesteryear) by using the old methods. That is why there is today a rising tide of Islamic fundamentalism across the Muslim world. They are bewildered at their weakness (and unimportance) and (take comfort in) conspiracy theories. Muslims (pretend) their failure is due to some Jewish or American plot, not (willing to realize) that their failure comes from within themselves (and their culture). They are out of touch with reality. Once warriors in the Arabian wilderness, Muslims keep tilting at windmills like Don Quixote, (trying to find honor) in a world they no longer understand (a world that's passed their civilization by).

Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 8:54 PM

Dr. Sagemann notes that the Muslim terrorists need not know many details about Islam. That, of course, is true. They need only know that they are Muslims, that they are on the Muslim side of the Believer-Infidel divide, and that, therefore, they must always support fellow Believers, and must do as much damage as they can, are perfectly justified in doing such damage (even if that damage includes what to non-Muslims would appear to be best described as criminal activities, including robbery and rape, as long as the victims of those robberies and rapes are Infidels) to Infidels. It is really at the level of the Bloods and the Crips. I'm a Muslim, and therefore....

It is not a bad point. But another point to make is that those with an imperfect knowledge of Islam will not straighten up and fly right if they acquire a more detailed and deeper knowledge of Islam. No, that more detailed and deeper knowledge of Islam, if acquired by a Believer who will remain a Believer, will make him even more hostile and dangerous. The texts of Islam, Qur'an and Hadith and Sira, offer no consolation to Infidels who think that "if only" Mr. X or Mr. Y were to find out about the "real Islam" they would change. Not at all.

Posted by: Hugh [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 8:56 PM

"Mitigating Missaoui" was put up here a few years ago. It remains relevant:


The list of mitigating circumstances that apparently resulted in Moussaoui receiving a life sentence instead of the death penalty reads like a parody of everything that is most sentimental and silly in modern psychiatry (Karl Kraus: "Psychiatry is the disease for which it is supposed to be the cure").

What the prosecution should have done, but apparently felt it could not do, or possibly simply did not ever even think of doing, was to preempt both the "insanity" and the "on account of he's deprived" excuses, and set out clearly why Moussaoui did what he did with clear and uninhibited discussion of that book he was clutching -- the Qur'an -- and with the Qur'an, the Hadith. And with the Hadith, the figure of Muhammad, uswa hasana and al-insan al-kamil.


Did the psychiatrist Dr. Vogelsang (one more Upper-West-Side name out of Lillian Ross's comical period-piece "Vertical and Horizontal") give any sign of having studied the belief-system of Islam, without which no conceivable judgment can be made about the sanity, or lack of it, of a devout Muslim such as Moussaoui?

Why didn’t the Prosecution rebut the argument of the defense lawyer that Moussaoui is "crazy" because of his wretched childhood, etc. by pointing out that a large number of other people -- such as Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawihiri and Mohammed Atta -- were children of great privilege in the case of the first two, and middle-class in the case of the third, and that furthermore studies of terrorists had found them to be far above average, in their societies, in the amount of education they had received, and in the degree of their economic wellbeing?

Lay it all out. Explain that yes, Moussaoui, like a few billion other people, may have had a "deprived" childhood. Yes, he was quick to sense any slight, and yes, he was quick to resent his treatment at the hands of Infidels, because, as a Muslim (one who grew to be more and more faithful and observant) he knew that Muslims should be on top -- not equal, but on top. Infidels lording it over him, or other Muslims, in France, were contra naturam, against the natural and just and right order of things, islamically speaking. The prosecutors should have explained that Moussaoui viewed the world through the prism of Islam, and the texts he read, the society he inhabited (both real, and virtual), taught him to blame, always and everywhere, Infidels.

Eventually this is going to have to be done. Eventually this is going to be unavoidable, if the United States and other Infidel countries are going to continue to use the criminal justice system as it is, and to continue to rely on untrained and inexpert juries who are the products of their age -- with all its sentimentality about mitigating circumstances because, you see, the blame for your behavior can always, always, be found in some part of your background, so that blame can be passed onto one's upbringing, say.

But this misses the point. There are always people who have had unhappy childhoods, unhappy adolescences, unhappy adulthoods. As noted many times before, we who are Infidels may lose status, a job, a spouse, a girlfriend or boyfriend, or suffer setbacks or perceived slights. Did not Moussaoui think he was entitled to more than he received? Yet his inshallah-fatalism prevented him from simply working hard and doing what he could to overcome, as his brother did, that same background. Why? The answer is that he took Islam far more seriously, was far more of a deep believer, than his brother.

Infidels have a thousand things to blame. They can blame their parents -- just as many on that Infidel jury wanted to blame, for Moussaoui, his treatment by his parents. They can blame their aggressive or unpleasant siblings, their ungrateful children, the System, Racism, The Man, Amerikkka, Kapitalism, Fate, the stars, their cholesterol level, their serotonin level, anything and everything at all -- even, just perhaps, themselves. But Muslim Believers have one thing to blame always at the ready. And to the extent that one takes that belief-system seriously, it is likely that one will, viewing the universe through the grid, the prism, of Islam, blame the Infidel. And that is exactly what Moussaoui did.

Unless this is going to be understood by the usual "experts" -- including those complacent psychiatrists who appear not to have thought it necessary for them to study the doctrines of Islam and what might follow and has naturally followed from them (starting with the perceived behavior of Muslims conducting Jihad over 1350 years, wherever they were able to conduct it because of local conditions or circumstances) -- then there will be more miscarriages, with justice stillborn, the result of those thanatotropic bromides and thalidomides, sentimentality and ignorance.

And what do we conclude? We have two possible conclusions:

1) Moussaoui was and is simply following the tenets of Islam faithfully, and putting into practice the requirement that at least some Muslims must engage in Jihad (in order that others may, temporarily, be relieved of the duty).

OR

2) Moussaoui became depressed, as so many of us do, all over the Infidel world as well, but in the case of Muslims, the problem is that that depression, or any kind of emotional setback, can lead to blaming the Infidel. Viewing the universe through the prism of Islam makes one almost automatically ready to blame that Infidel, and to seek revenge.

Those are the two possible explanations.

And either one has immense implications for the Muslim presence all over Europe and North America. For the sake of the legal and social order and the physical wellbeing of the resident Infidels who created those societies and have no desire to see them islamized, these implications need to be faced.


[Posted by Hugh at May 7, 2006]

Posted by: Hugh [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 9:00 PM

"His "theories" could cause any sane individual to die laughing at any moment!".....LOL!!!

Posted by: champ [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 9:02 PM

One thing is indisputable...
if boredom & insignificance were causes/sources of terrorism there would be about 5.9 billion terrorists on the planet.
lol

Posted by: jcom972 [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 9:14 PM

"A SENSE of boredom and frustration with their "insignificant" lives is a common trait of people who become violent jihadis, according to leading terrorism expert."

So, this expert is saying that terrorism is just another hobby, like restoring antique clocks or knitting layettes for handicapped babies or coaching Little League? Isn't it amazing that Islam is so boring across the entire globe that it spawns bored terrorists everywhere it touches? Not just the Middle East, but Europe, North America, the Philippines, Indonesia, Kenya, Russia, etc., etc.

-- I was thinking of learning to play golf this summer.
-- Have you considered suicide bombing? I hear it's a blast.

"They live a parallel life, a virtual fantasy life," he said. "They assume an online persona that's more violent and significant than real life."

Isn't it a relief to know they aren't violent in real life? Back to American Idol, folks. Don't worry about them. They'll get bored with playing terrorists and go find another hobby soon.

Posted by: CJ [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 9:20 PM

Are you a bored Muslim, suffering from that near-life experience that is Islam, and can't figure out what to do except to damage or bring harm to Infidels? Why not take up stamp collecting -- that's halal, isn't it, as long as there are no Israeli or American stamps among those you collect. Play chess: both Libya and Qatar have sponsored chess tournaments, so it must be islamically okay. It sharpens the mind, and is akin to war in the deployment of pieces, so it should be qaradawishly acceptable. Take up bustard-hunting in Pakistan, or if you can't afford the game of Saudi royals, just go bird-watching.

Or listen to music. Here's a song -- I think it is a favorite of several Saudi princes -- to liven up any Iftar or meeting of CAIR:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmkRzkKz79U

Posted by: Hugh [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 9:21 PM

...and if all that fails, perhaps we can send over former surgeon general joycelyn elders...

I still say dropping them booze & girlie mags work every time.

Whatever works.

Posted by: jcom972 [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 9:43 PM

boredom leads to jihad? sounds like a "young ones" episode.

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 10:00 PM

Good point...or maybe the author has listened to Judas Priest's "Breaking the Law" once too many.

http://www.schlagengoggles.com/BreakingTheLaw.mp3

lol

Posted by: jcom972 [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 10:07 PM

"people who are bored out of their minds."

No, not people bored out of their minds, rather people who have had their minds bored out --by islam.

Posted by: ebonystone [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 10:42 PM

Hmm. Psychiatrist finds a psycho-explanation. Go figure.

Part of our stupidity is that we allowed our government to embrace scientism, that is, all problems can be explained and eventually solved by the application of 'science.' However, this meant the social sciences which were embraced to replace the idea of transcendent values.

Posted by: defender [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 10:44 PM

Hugh

Is this visual show and tell? Ok I will do you one better.


For all the bored muslims out there I present:

Square Dancing in Indonesia...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4r1Ip5iACo


Sayyid Qutb is rolling in his grave. God they must really desperate for infidel cash...

Posted by: greatcometof1577 [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 10:49 PM
I still say dropping them booze & girlie mags work every time. - jcom972

I know you're kidding around, but I still feel like adding a few thoughts.

Especially among the well-to-do in Muslim countries, and for any Muslim in Western countries, booze and porn can be procured without much difficulty (I'm sure you've heard the statistics about how many web searches for pornographic phrases originate from Middle Eastern computers.)

Indeed, often in the most outwardly puritanical circumstances, if one wants their vice of choice badly enough, they can still find it.

And while some jihadists find even the most innocent and mundane aspects of Western culture scandalous (like Qutb), others indulge in it freely (Mohammed Atta); they are perhaps more worrisome because they seem unreligious. It's a useful cover, even mentioned in the al-Qaeda playbook (which can be found through our search engine here, or googling "al-Qaeda playbook" and "jihad watch). Above all, the jihadist believes his salvation is assured if he slays and is slain for Allah (Qur'an 9:111): Dying in jihad would outweigh a little (or a lot of) partying.

Posted by: MarisolJW [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 11:20 PM

"No, not people bored out of their minds, rather people who have had their minds bored out --by islam."

Posted by: ebonystone at October 3, 2007 10:42PM


Excellent analysis, ebonystone. That captures the point all too well. Unfortunately, what is Sageman's excuse?

Posted by: awake [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 11:21 PM

IMHO psychology and it's related fields in what make us tick are in the age of alchemy. All of these theories are just lead balloons. They don't have the first clue what they are talking about. They are very smart however making all of us think they know what they are talking about.

I fellow I knew had studied to be a psychologists but changed majors to computer science (go figure) because the movers and thinkers had no fixed constants like physics or math and everyone seemed to be guessing. With the whole academic community doing a 180 degree turn based upon the latest theory.

Again that is my 2 cents worth. Eventually alchemy did become chemistry just took a couple of hundred years.

Prov 1:7
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge; fools despise wisdom and instruction.

تمثل الامثا1/7 ل
الخوف من الرب هو بداية المعرفه ؛ الحمقي يحتقرون الحكمة والتعليمات.

Posted by: Im.mad.as.HELL! [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 11:37 PM

"Mr Sageman, who will be the keynote speaker at this week's Safeguarding Australia conference in Canberra"

"Safeguarding Australia", "keynote speaker", crikey! - I want to get out of here.

Were does a bloke migrate to these days where the dead hand of Islam hasn't yet reached?, Greenland?, Iceland?

Posted by: Ozi_bloke [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 3, 2007 11:49 PM

I can see it now. Some London art gallery will display an exhibit featuring an Islamic "artist" running a video loop of "martyrs" blowing up innocents. Over and over. Over and over.

Islamic Jihad as "artistic expression."

Wait. It will happen. You saw it here first.

Our worst enemy is right here within.

I'm calling them the Vichy Left.

Posted by: JohnAdams [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 4, 2007 12:15 AM

Just more proof, our biggest enemy isn't even from without...it's from within. Take out the enemy within, and the enemy without will be dealt with much easier.
Posted by: jcom972

No sh•t....

Posted by: Allahfanculo [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 4, 2007 12:24 AM

So boredom is the problem. Boredom in Islam is apostasy. A wise muslim never tells the religious police that they are 'bored'. The religious cops know what to do about boredom. Boredom is an insult to Allah. Bordeom is not the problem, This, is the problem:
From article: 'He left the US intelligence service and became a clinical psychiatrist'...

Don't get me started on psychiatrists, demigods in white jackets. What they know could fill a book, what they don't know, could fill a library.

Posted by: duh_swami [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 4, 2007 12:26 AM

Osama-

The Chairman of the Bored?

Yeah right-what better way to shake off the ennui than to pack a pipe-bomb full of marbles and nails and explode it in a crowded space.

Nah,

I'll stick with Iggy Pop

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGDb8X8limY

Posted by: november1981 [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 4, 2007 12:46 AM

"Terrorism expert" says boredom, sense of insignificance lead to jihad."

Maybe more prayer is in order.Yea thats the ticket.

Don't they pray durring those inner struggles? Isn't allah there to help relieve them of that struggle?I mean i know it's a constant struggle but isn't that true for us all? In our own ways that is.

Surely the God of mercy,allah,could help bear thier crescent.

One must be careful of how far they are willing to go in making excuses for blowing innocnt people up because it could explode in thier faces.

How about rocket launchers? Will those soon be allowed in the west? Poor little bored and feeling insignificant little muslim jihadi walking around with an RPG on thier shoulder.

Maybe only in the islamic state within our state could this be permitted after all it's probably thier culture anyway so why not.

It can't be islam causing these nimrods to kill themselves in the act of mass murder because islam is a religion of peace.Just call up imanutajoba,or Bin laden or The house of saud they''ll tell ya. Just ask any muslim they will tell ya. Ha ,you don't even have to ask them it's in thier every inhale and exhale.

Good grief i sure hope our secret services are just petting the megalomaniacs egos.If not i'm available for the job i can spot a polisher a mile away.And i ain't not stupid neither. :)

Posted by: Dar al-harb [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 4, 2007 12:59 AM

When and how did this guy become a recognized authority on islamic terrorism? I've heard some interesting explanations for what causes islamic terrorism, but I think this takes the cake!

Where are the bored Christian and Jewish terrorists? Surely there must be some bored Christians and Jews with nothing better to do. Timothy McVeigh doesn't count because he did not commit his dastardly deed in the name of God or Christianity; he was unhappy with the government.

This idiot should visit a mosque with an Arabic translator. I think five visits should more than suffice to enlighten him as to the reasons for islamic terrorism. If he isn't satisfied with what he learns in one mosque, he should visit many mosques, where he will hear the same message from different jihad-mongering islamic clerics. If he still isn't convinced, he should start reading islam's benevolent, inspiring, peaceful canonical texts, where the call to jihad and terrorism fills almost every page.

The ignorance of these so-called experts on islam and deviant, perverted muslim behavior is simply astounding. They have no right to foist their ignorant "explantions" on the ignorant public, which desperately needs to be correctly informed about the evil of islam.

Posted by: Susanp [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 4, 2007 1:41 AM

Marisol, in case nobody's mentioned it lately, you're doing a terrific job!

Posted by: deesine [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 4, 2007 1:45 AM

Islam is the perfect religion for evil people.

I’m not saying anyone who is a Muslim is evil,

what I am saying is this;

If you are an evil person, you can

for fill your evil desires as you please “Allah”.

Allah=Devil

Posted by: Joe Schmoe USA [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 4, 2007 2:32 AM

"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it" (John 8:44).

These jihadists are doing what Allah is all about.

Allah=Devil

Posted by: Joe Schmoe USA [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 4, 2007 2:49 AM

Mr Sageman, said yesterday: "If there's one thing they have in common … it is that they have had very insignificant lives.

How can a muslim who has submitted to Allah have an insignificant life? One purpose of Islam is to give the muslims life significance. How can the worlds most 'supreme religion', endow the submitter with insignificance? If the very act of submitting does not confer significance, then what good is it?
I would think that to a muslim, it is infidels that are insignificant. Mr Sagemen, like all psychiatric taqiyya salesmen, is indulging us with bogus psychobabble. He is not a knight in white satin, he is a con man in a white coat...

Posted by: duh_swami [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 4, 2007 3:30 AM

'Marc Sageman[Wiseman??what a hoot] is a former CIA officer who worked with the Afghan Mujahideen in the 1980's and early 1990's'...

Yeah,dishing out millions of dollars & stinger missiles to Holy Warriors who were soooo grateful
to American Infidels. Those were heady days,torturing & decapitating young Russian soldiers-gee what a thrill Dr Sageman must have got from watching the videos-he certainly understands how BORING it is for Muslims without
Blood Sports-just cutting the head off a calf ain't the same as a real Human Head!

Posted by: Morgane [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 4, 2007 3:41 AM

Here we go; RES.635 passed

"The Islamic faith as one of the great
religions of the world"

Let not leave out;

"deepest respect to Muslims"

o yea, I have such deep respect for them too.

..RES.635

(WASHINGTON, D.C., 10/2/2007) - The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR)
today welcomed a resolution recognizing the Islamic fast of Ramadan
passed by the U.S. House of Representatives on Tuesday.
The non-binding motion passed 376-0.

The resolution "recognizes the Islamic faith as one of the great
religions of the world" and expresses
"deepest respect to Muslims in the United States and throughout the world
on this significant occasion."


Posted by: Joe Schmoe USA [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 4, 2007 4:37 AM

humor or hubris?
lol

Posted by: jcom972 [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 4, 2007 5:23 AM

There is an information in an Austrian online article:

DiePresse
[...] "Der 42-jährige Pensionist Asim C." [...]

which makes an excellent link to the article here
"Terrorism expert" says boredom, sense of insignificance lead to jihad"

The Austrian sentence reads: the 42 year old RETIRED Asim C. (my caps)

luckily, with all this free time, he was not able to get a bomb to explode.

Posted by: whiteelefant [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 4, 2007 5:56 AM

Breaking the boredom

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJSey8HRUhU

Posted by: shiva [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 4, 2007 6:07 AM
"Terrorism expert" says boredom, sense of insignificance lead to jihad


Ohhhh, well we can't have that; poor dears! Bored? Sense of insignificance? That's just aweful!

Say, why don't we show them how wonderful we Westerners really are; let's fork over our governments so they can control us; let's stop practicing our traditonal holidays, and start celebrating theirs; and lets put footbaths in every airport at our expense, so they feel at home.

Better idea -- a one-way-ticket to hell for all of them and they have have jihad to their hearts content to stave off the boredom!

Posted by: witness [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 4, 2007 6:35 AM

Who says muslims are bored out of their minds since they because they don't have anything more fun to do than lopping off people's heads or killing innocent schoolgirls and shouting "Allah hu Akbar"? They can always have a blast at one of the following rave parties:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTTP61_9Acc

Posted by: Razdan [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 4, 2007 7:05 AM

Long on explanation, short on solution. There's probably some element of the jihadi's mental makeup that can be tied to boredom. But to attribute all of their 'rage' to bordeom? Yaaawnnn...

Posted by: Jeff [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 4, 2007 7:17 AM

I remember moping around the house when I was a teenager and telling my mother, "I'm bored".

My mother always responded brightly, "You're bored? I've got some housework you can do."

Marc Sageman, a highly educated clinical psychiatrist, may have known some mujahideen but my mother could have told him a thing or two about boredom. She could also spot a liar a mile away.

There's no substitute for common sense. Too bad it isn't taught in universities and medical schools.

Posted by: Josephine [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 4, 2007 7:28 AM

"Hey Joey, what's to do around here, huh?"

"Gee, uh, I dunno. It's like deadsville, huh?"

"Yeaah. Whadaya think? Should we go see the new flick over at the Bayview?"

"Nah, how bout we go over to Frankie's and hang out."

"Ah, it's so boring theah -- how bout we play a little B-ball or somethin?"

"Nah, I'm tiuhd a B-ball. How bout we hit the libary and get some a them books on Tai Kwan Do you tole me about?"

"Nah."

"Bowling?"

"Nah, nah."

"Hey, why don't we go to a party somewhere?"

"Nah."

"Wanna play chess? Or we could go out to them stables and maybe get a free ride if we offer to sweep up a little."

"Screw the hawses. What's really fun to do?"

"I dunno Joey. We got so many friends, and great families, and we love em, right?"

"Sure. I do."

"And I do too. I'm totally happy and well-adjusted, it's just I'm so bored right now."

"Yeah, me too. I'm totally well-adjusted, a loving normal person, doing well in school. My parents taught me about liberty and democracy and I believe in them and hate all forms of tyranny. But darn I'm just so bored. How we gonna fix that?"

"Gee, Joey, I dunno. How about we go and kill a whole bunch a people?"

"Uh, Yeah. I guess. What the hell, nothing else fun to do. But what reason we gonna give? Besides, I love and respect just about everybody in this nation? How can I kill them?"

"I dunno, you're right. But on the other hand, we're so bored. How can we really help killing a bunch a people? Did you ever think of it like that?"

"Well, now that you put it that way, I see what you mean. I mean killing people sure beats sittin around here dont it?"

"Ok. But we need to make up some reason we're doing it, to make it fun and exciting. Nobody's gonna be impressed if we just say we're bored."

"Hmmm. How bout we pretend we are doing it cause of a religion?"

"K, and that way I can have a excuse to blow myself up, something I often thought would be the best cure for boredom."

"Yeah, I had that same exact thought. I think all bored kids must think that."

"I mean what's the point of blowing up a bomb if you can't really, like, you know, experience it close up? If you're bored it's cause you aint livin dangrously enough my pops always says..."

"Yeah, but, remembuh, I'm in charge, you know that Joey. I get to do any blowin up around here..."

"Aw, why do you always get all the fun...It aint fair."

"Shaddup and quit yer crybabyin. Anyways I'll put you in charge of somethin else."

"Yeah? What? What?"

"I was just suddenly thinkin it would be less boring right now if we could try to force everyone to live under a very complex sytem of totalitarian religious laws over a thousand years old maybe -- that would freak everybody out! Wouldn't that be f**k all on a stick??!!!"

"Hell yeah!!! But what religion should we pick?"

"Uh, I aint figured that out yet. But how bout Hinduism?"

"Nah, nobody'd believe it. Gandhi was like, I dunno, practically Christ or somethin, right?"

"Oh yeah. You're right. I saw it in a movie. You aint as dumb as you look."

"Hey, I know what, hows about Jesus freaks?"

"Oh yeah, right! What uh we gonna do? Go around hitting people in their fists with one side of our face and then use the other side? Don't be such an ass."

"Gee, take it easy, I dont know nuttin about church."

"Well that's because your a Muslim, you dumbass."

"Yeah, well, aint you one too?"

"Yeah. Hey...You know what?.....You really aint so dumb as you look. You just gave me an ingenious idea. Who would a evuh thunk it? You know, maybe we could use...Islam! I mean maybe that could be the reason we give for blowing people up, huh? And forcing everybody to live under the rules what we want em to, yuh know?"

"Nah! Yuh think?"

"Hmmm....wait as sec....Maybe not. Everyone knows it's a religion of peace."

"Damn! I'm so bored. We can't catch any breaks."

"Aw hell with it, let's just go for it. I can probably get my pops to give us the car keys. If Osama can say he's doing it cause a Islam, why can't we? Who cares if it's a religion of peace? F**k it, I mean are we gonna have some fun tonight or what?"

"And yuh know, my dad has a ton of fertilizer he's been saving up for some farm he's gonna open."

"Where? A farm here in Brooklyn?"

"Yeah, why not, aint you read that Trees Growin in Brooklyn book, right??"

"You dumb ass, that was "A" tree grows in Brooklyn. Just one damn tree. When did you see a farm in Brooklyn, you dumb ass?"

"I dunno. What about the park?"

"You dumb ass, the park is not a farm."

"I know but..."

"Shaddup, woudja? I'm trying to find how to make a bomb on the internet...we gonna Pah-tee tuhnight!!"

Posted by: traeh [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 4, 2007 9:12 AM

"Whaddya want to do tonight, Marty?"

"I dunno Angie, what do you want to do tonight?"

It would never have occurred to Marty, nor to Angie, to relieve boredom by bombing someone. A dance-hall or a Dodgers game would, as Paddy Chayefsky knew, be about it.

Posted by: Hugh [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 4, 2007 9:46 AM

...and those were the smart ones...ha!...

Posted by: exsgtbrown [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 4, 2007 9:48 AM

TOO MANY UNIVERSITY PROFESSORS WERE NOT SPANKED WHEN THEY WERE CHILDREN


They have no sense of personal responsibility and the need for personal character.

When a young person does something bad they scramble around blaming strangers, but never the young adult. The worse the crime the stupider the proferred solution, and the more remote the accepted cause.

The truth is that the far Left is a cult of death. They don't really want to stop the suicide bombings. After all "Suicide is painless; it brings on many changes."

Their anthem, other than Imagine, is American Pie:
"So, bye-bye, Miss American Pie
Drove my chevy to the levee
But the levee was dry
And them good old boys were drinkin' whiskey and rye
Singin' this'll be the day that I die
This'll be the day that I die"

Oliver Stone wants to do a paean to the world's most evil dictator in Iran. Liberal Jews apologize for their existence every day and pretty much claim that they should all just go away and die. They LOVE abortion, not just believe it is some right for women, bc they LOVE death. Liberalism is a cult of death. "Eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we die."

This is bc they are under the thumb of Satan whose domain is death.

Posted by: Tookson [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 4, 2007 11:04 AM

You know, there may be some truth to this.

Can you imagine being a male unable to have a normal, close and equal relationship with your wife? To have a marriage in which one person in that marriage is exceedingly more intelligent? You couldn't have a friendship at all. What would the point be?

The friendships are male with other males.

Yes, that would lead to a very 'boring' life indeed, boring and frustrating.

It can't be Islam's fault, so it must be YOURS.

Posted by: Kay [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 4, 2007 12:34 PM

Traeh -- Well done!

Posted by: Josephine [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 4, 2007 2:23 PM

Josephine, thanks very much!

Looking at it now, I see I didn't get the dialog to do what I meant it to. Besides having fun with the silly idea that boredom could be the primary explanation for jihad and dhimmitude, I should have made the piece more clearly critical of Islam, because in a way the dialog, as it is now, could be read as letting Islam off the hook and blaming stupidity or something else. I posted the thing before it was fully baked.

Posted by: traeh [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 4, 2007 4:14 PM

It's ok traeh...we'll give ya the benefit of the doubt.
Demonstrating absurdity by being absurd is a great way to show examples.
"I don't care who ya are, that's funny!"
(Larry the Cable Guy)

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to clean up this coffee-spilled-via-hysterical-laughter mess.
Thanks traeh...needed that.

LMAO

Posted by: jcom972 [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 4, 2007 4:30 PM

jcom972 -- you're welcome. Glad it had that effect!

Posted by: traeh [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 4, 2007 4:49 PM

So we just drop Xbox 360's on the lot of them to kill their boredom?

Posted by: yadayada [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 5, 2007 3:01 AM

Or maybe, just maybe, it's because of insecurity out of fear of weakness in their claims?
Perhaps, having their death cult uncloaked?
http://www.davidstuff.com/historical/mecca.htm

Posted by: jcom972 [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 9, 2007 12:41 AM

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