I hope the pentagon has this site blocked .

Posted by: GrennBeck at October 4, 2007 12:51 PM

"If such politically incorrent thoughts do slip through the PC filter, one is supposed to suppress them, drawing on big, self-satisfied feelings of inclusiveness to drive away the willies."

Good call.

I've experienced this.

Someone I know recently said they felt uncomfortable talking about their concerns because they thought it made them FEEL racist.

This is a problem.

More people want to discuss the current situation but don't know how to articulate their concerns.

I think existing moslems and women openly talking about their concern at, e.g. the growing calls for the introduction of "parts" shariah law into the judicial system would help overcome this.

More people from africa talking about their experiences would also be helpful.

"Orwellian" is the word here.

Posted by: Big Luke at October 4, 2007 1:05 PM

"Navy Chaplain Abuhena M. Saifulislam. “Saifulislam” means “Sword of Islam.”"

Much can be taught about Islam, to those non-Muslims who still need to be taught, by drawing attention to the names Muslims like to use.

Posted by: Khaybar Oasis at October 4, 2007 1:10 PM

Our government has been bought and paid for at the highest levels, starting with Bush and his cronies.

Don't look to the government for help.

Posted by: LoneRanger at October 4, 2007 1:12 PM

Thats like a hundred Nai's celebrating the invasion of Poland.

Or 100 commies celebrating the fall of Saigon.

Why is there even ONE Muhammedan allowed in the Pentagon?

Why are hijabbed Muhammedans working as airport screeners to protect us from Islamic terror?

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at October 4, 2007 1:17 PM

Live by the “Saifulislam”, Die by the “Saifulislam”.

Posted by: AllahSnackbar at October 4, 2007 1:22 PM

People are now raising concerns in unlikely places:

www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1421

People want to speak out.

Posted by: Big Luke at October 4, 2007 1:23 PM

In Islam, there is a belief that non-Muslims are unclean and impure and are, thus, not permitted to handle a Qur'an (but only the Arabic real McCoy version of the Qur'an).

At Gitmo, non-Muslim American military personnel (read: almost all American military personnel) are required to don clean, white gloves in order handle a Muslim detainee's taxpayer provided Qur'an.

To the detainees, this stupid procedure validates Islamic supremacy.

To the DOD personnel who concocted this folly, and to some of our senators and members of congress, it is merely a religious accommodation.

I wonder if LCDR 'Sword of Islam' was behind that, too.

Posted by: PRCS at October 4, 2007 1:25 PM

Big Luke said:

"I think existing moslems and women openly talking about their concern at, e.g. the growing calls for the introduction of "parts" shariah law into the judicial system would help overcome this."

Well , as a woman who tries at every posible turn to do just that, I can tell you that people just do not want to believe.

I've talked to woman who insist that Islam is peaceful , and that I do not know what I'm talking about when I try to discuss Shariah law and how it whould afect us as woman. This is very prevelant in woman who other wise would consider themselves as feminists! (This is but one of the reasons , I gave up that title for my self many years ago)

I've been at liberal pagan events where I had persons come up to me after seeing the Jihad Watch bumper stickers and tell me how Islamiaphobic I was, and that Christians are far worse then moslums. They continue with the same tripe even after I explain that as a pagan they would not even be given the right to be a dhimmi, their only choice under islam would be convert or death.

Yes I agree we as females need to be out there telling the truth about islam, but I am also saying that it is an uphill battle!

Posted by: balticwaves at October 4, 2007 1:26 PM

"...the Pentagon institutes Ramadan services."

What a slap in the face! We didn't allow Ahmad to step foot on ground zero, so why are we allowing Ramadan services to be held at the Pentagon? Anything Islamic should be blacklisted from these locations, and Muslims can simply celebrate Ramadan by having services in their own home.

Posted by: champ at October 4, 2007 1:26 PM

The whole Ramadan thing is a "ram-it-down-your-throat" public spectacle of Islamic triumphalism.

See how tough we are. We fast everyday. The Jews only fast two days a year, but we Muhammadans fast everday for a MONTH!

Of course that is to honor the fiend Muhammad's birthday month. It's a giant birthday party for Satan!

Also, never mind that a muhammadan wakes up at 5:30 A.M. and stuffs his face so he won't be hungry for 12 hours.

Big EFFING DEAL!

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at October 4, 2007 1:31 PM

"We are now at such a depth that restating the obvious should be the first duty of intelligent men"

---George Orwell

Our government will not protect us from our enemies because they are too busy coddling them. This is cultural and literal suicide. When the next attack comes, the lemmings in front should expect a full accounting for their betrayal.

Posted by: HerrMorgenholz at October 4, 2007 1:41 PM

"...people just do not want to believe. "

Yep.

In part for the reasons Robert noted:

"If such politically incorrent thoughts do slip through the PC filter, one is supposed to suppress them, drawing on big, self-satisfied feelings of inclusiveness to drive away the willies."

However, it's becoming harder and harder for many people to ignore the elephant in the room. Especially in the UK.

Posted by: Big Luke at October 4, 2007 1:42 PM

"Sword of Islam" was the title given to Khalid al-Walid, who was Muhammed's senior military official. Before defection to the terror cult, he was the leader of the only army to defeat Muslims on the battlefield. Khalid is credited with putting the question of veiling Muslim women to the phony "prophet" for an answer. Naming a child "Khalid" is a signal of support for jihad.

Posted by: supercargo at October 4, 2007 1:45 PM

It would be useful to quote certain passages of the Qur'an -- I can think of a baker's dozen off-hand -- and ask Commander Saifulislam if he considers those passages to be the immutable Word of God, and if so, how should non-Muslims, in his view, regard him. And then add a hundred-odd Hadiths, from the collections of Bukhari and Muslim. And ask him what he makes of this, and of that. Does he think those born in to Islam should be allowed to leave Islam without anyone making a fuss, much less attempting to kill them? Does he agree with the duty to spread Islam through the "struggle" of Jihad, Islam which of course defines as "injustice" and "oppression" all those acts, and institutions, which serve as obstacles to that very spread, and which no doubt include the First Amendment, and a good deal else, of the Constitution of the United States. And what does Commander Saifulislam make of the American polity, which is based on the notion that political legitimacy can be located in the will of the people, and is not to be found, as Muslims are taught, in the will (or whim) expressed by Allah in the Qur'an, and as glossed by the Sunnah?

These are not trivial questions. They are not wicked or cruel. They need to be answered. We whose lives and whose country's institutions depend on those who are in the Pentagon, and in the goverrnment, answering these questions -- and of course the veracity of those answers can be checked in various ways, but before getting to the polygraph and other means of lie-detection, one should certainly engage a Believer who claims that "of course he doesn't wish to see the spread of Islam until it dominates everywhere" why not? And when he says that "of course he can be friends with Christians and Jews" confront him with the precise Qur'anic passages that say he cannot, and the further passages in the Hadith that say he can do so, but only feignedly, and for the sole purpose of protecting Islam.

Has this been done? I doubt it. Timidity, fear of being thought a "bigot," or a "hyseteric," explain why measures that should be on everyone's mind, and apparently are on the minds of no one, in authority, the kind of measures for national and individual survival that were undertaken by the American government during World War II, when those who had belonged to Fritz Kuhn's Bund or other such groups were indeed hauled in for questioning, monitored, kept out of certain kinds of employment. But now? Now we are supposed to keep ignoring what is in the Qur'an and the Hadith, and just cross our fingers, or intone mantras, or carry around apotropaic amulets and hope that things will turn out okay?

Good God.

Posted by: Hugh at October 4, 2007 1:52 PM

'"I think existing moslems and women openly talking about their concern at, e.g. the growing calls for the introduction of "parts" shariah law into the judicial system would help overcome this."

Well , as a woman who tries at every posible turn to do just that, I can tell you that people just do not want to believe. '

I meant in the media.

A climate needs to be created where it is acceptable to discuss these issues openly and frankly.

Emphasis must also be given to the bigotry faced by Hindus, Sikhs and Christians in those countries where Sharia operates. It takes the sting out of the slander of racism that's often levelled.

It can be done, it's happening slowly in the UK.

Posted by: Big Luke at October 4, 2007 1:53 PM

I(insert name), having been appointed a (insert rank) in the U.S. Army under the conditions indicated in this document, do accept such appointment and do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter, so help me God.

I couldn't readily find the Naval Officers oath, but suspect the wording is similar.

I'm not sure how Islam, a theocracy whose adherents' sole alegience is to Allah and who are religiously obligated to replace non-Muslim governments with Islamic law, fits into that oath.

Posted by: PRCS at October 4, 2007 1:57 PM

PRCS was, incidentally, my rate and rank upon retirement from the U.S. Navy.

Posted by: PRCS at October 4, 2007 2:06 PM

Ya beat me to it, Senior Chief...
IMIO...
There's our worst collaborators right there...

Ya want to commence an operation in the sandbox?
Make sure they're out of the loop...I would.
What do ya wanna bet if we do that, suddenly the enemy doesn't have a heads-up on incoming and can't slip away mysteriously, as they've shown to be able to be just that one step ahead of us?
lol

Posted by: jcom972 at October 4, 2007 2:24 PM

balticwaves,you must challenge them by asking if they've read and understand the doctrine of islam. Ask them why they talk about something they're ignorant of and why they use name calling to defend their position.

Or if you're in the mood, call them Dhimmi when they call you islamaphobic, quote the sword sura, then turn and walk away.

Or you can tell them a story about an arabian poetess named Asma Bint Marwan who made fun of mohammed and challenged his 'religion.' Mo asked who would rid him of this woman and a believer killed her while she slept with her baby on her breast. Tell them this tradition has continued to this day, remember Theo Van Gogh?

As for this disgusting story, I echo Hugh's remark,
"Good God!"

Posted by: the poetess at October 4, 2007 2:24 PM

Here's a quote from one of the Muslims attending Saifulislam's first service:

"It's a great blessing from God himself," said Lance Cpl. Yousuf Enayat. Enayat is hoping that the new chaplain will help show that Muslims are just like everybody else. "The world pretty much has got the wrong idea about Muslims."

The world has the "wrong idea" about Muslims? How ever did that happen? And in a building that was nearly destroyed six years ago in in the name of Islam--unbelievable!

Here's unthinking enthusiasm from a collegue of old "Sword of Islam":

Marine Lt. Col. Steve Warner, commanding officer of the area where Saif-ul-Islam is assigned, is a Presbyterian who describes himself as "pro-religion." He says he is looking forward himself to learning more about Islam, as well as being able to serve the needs of any troops who are Muslim. "They're all my Marines," Warner said.

Really? He's "pro-religion"--any religion? Would he also be for the worship of, say, Baal? How about some Aztec Sun God human sacrifice? Of course not. And yet this fellow--probably an otherwise intelligent man, assumes that Islam is OK, although as he himself acknowledges, he knows little about It. Most likely because of his benign experience with Judaism and other denominations of Christianity, he assumes Islam is no different.

Posted by: gravenimage at October 4, 2007 2:30 PM

jcom,

I believe you are correct.

Considering why Sgt. Snackbar murdered his fellow troops at the beginning of GWII, along with Islam really is and what it really teaches, I just can't believe that Muslims in the military is acceptable.

Add in the Gitmo situation I noted above, and it's clear that civilian and military leadership has failed in this regard.

Sending sensitive information to 'the brothers' in the sandbox is only a mouseclick away.

Posted by: PRCS at October 4, 2007 3:21 PM

Interesting, but let's not make a lot of hay over this.

There's an oath taken by our service men, we have to respect that. To make the rank of Lt. Cmdr is nothing to sneer upon.

Also, people don't get to pick their given names. I know someone who's inherited name means "the one who killed seven" -- an interesting genealogical tidbit but of no meaning in the context of this person.

Posted by: desert dweller at October 4, 2007 3:27 PM

It's seems that there is no western government that is not in denial about the threat that the socio-political ideology of Islam poses.

Yet, in the case of the US, this denial is so much poignant. Thousands of young Americans are asked to give their lives to protect Americans against terrorism. Terrorism that is born from that same socio-political ideology that is politically correct back at the soldier’s home.

Loss surrounded by deceit and denial.

Posted by: raven_ at October 4, 2007 3:35 PM

Yeah, got that right PRCS,

It's been scuttlebutt from day 1, but now nobody dare utter it.
Common sense has been replaced by political correctness in more areas than we care to admit.
(for the non-militaries, our sanitized jargon can best be summed up by the scene in the movie "The Replacements", where the guy played by keanu reeves described his "fear" over proverbial "quicksand").
God help us all...

PS- desert dweller, we're not sneering, especially when I took the same oath he did. It's called concern...exceptionally grave concern, and for viable reason. There's a reason it's called an Oath, and when there's the possibility/probability that may conflict with ones religious beliefs-they're in the wrong line of work (plenty of cases-in-point to show for that).
Read it again, this time from MY oath (Mustanged, 23 years ago, but probably little, if any, changed by now)

"I, _____ (State Rank & Name), having been appointed an officer in the United States Navy, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God."

Nothing difficult about it...no different than, say, one of our brothers-in-arms of the Jewish faith having to work on the Sabbath...if that stands in conflict with ones religion (and I firmly believe it does with them), then they have no business in "the business". It's not rocket science...and has been in place for over 200 years.
This @ topic, is a problem...a big one, but since we don't rate high enough to make policy, we're limited to praying it doesn't get worse than this.

Posted by: jcom972 at October 4, 2007 4:00 PM

Regardless of their unique names, every practicing Muslim, each and every one of them, is a member of a theocracy, which like all theocracies, is incompatible with the United States Constitution to which each service member is sworn 'to support and defend'.

Posted by: PRCS at October 4, 2007 4:01 PM

"He [Marine Lt. Col. Steve Warner...who describes himself as "pro-religion"] says he is looking forward himself to learning more about Islam.."
-- from the article above

Who will teach him? Friendly Muslims in the military? John Esposito? Prof. David Forte? Omid Safi team-teaching with Carl Ernst? And what Qur'an will he read? The real thing, with appropriate understanding (i.e., of "naskh" or abrogation) including the fact that the Qur'an in Arabic is far harsher than it is in English or French, or perhaps Michael Sells' bowdlerized "Approaching the Qur'an: The Lyrical Suras."

Here are three books for Lt. Col. Steve Warner to start with: "The Truth About Muhammad," "The Dhimmi," and "The Legacy of Jihad." That will do more to enlighten than any encounters with carefully, deteriminedly, good-hearted, friendly, and very "sincere" Muslim colleagues.

Posted by: Hugh at October 4, 2007 4:05 PM

Correction in order:
"and I firmly believe it does with them" I refer to the MOslems, not my brothers-in-arms of the Jewish faith, who'd take a bullet for us (and vice-versa).
Got on a roll & should've specified.

PRCS, couldn't have said it better...kudos ^5s.

Hugh, ya got a good point...if I "study" something, I prefer doing so from a clinical standpoint.

Posted by: jcom972 at October 4, 2007 4:10 PM

From Condi Rice:

"I believe that there could be no greater legacy for America…"

Condi? What "legacy"? That wording gives me the uneasy feeling that Condi is planning for the end of America.

"Rice compared the vision of Palestinian statehood to that of American independence and the civil rights battles in one of the strongest endorsements from the Bush administration to the idea of an independent Palestinian state."

What a display of moral equivalence… I would have expected much more. How fast are Martin Luther King and Thomas Jefferson spinning?

Posted by: RalphInfidel at October 4, 2007 4:12 PM

Fast as a mainshaft on a jet turbine.
(just a guess, but probably a good one)
lol

Posted by: jcom972 at October 4, 2007 4:16 PM

jcom,

What were you?

Retired, now?

'89 here.

Still have twinges of tinitus from T-56's (P-3's and 130's).

Posted by: PRCS at October 4, 2007 4:36 PM

wow, check this out!

http://usmilitary.com/modules.php?name=HeadlineNews&story=20060915

Navy Muslim Chaplain Finds His Calling in America
By Gerry J. Gilmore
American Forces Press Service

WASHINGTON, Sept. 15, 2006 – Newly promoted Navy Lt. Cmdr. Abuhena M. Saifulislam had always wanted to serve Islam, even as a young boy growing up in Bangladesh.

“Islam is not just a religion to Muslims. It is a way of life,” Saifulislam said. “That’s how I was brought up.”

Saifulislam, now 44, realized his dream. Today, he tends to servicemembers’ spiritual needs as the second Muslim chaplain commissioned in the U.S. Navy. His current duty station is Marine Corps Base Quantico, Va.

Deputy Defense Secretary Gordon England promoted Saifulislam during a Sept. 11 Pentagon ceremony.

Saifulislam also received a Joint Service Commendation Medal, his second, for his work this June at U.S. Naval Station Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. There, he performed death rites for three Muslim detainees who’d committed suicide.

The Muslim chaplain was also at Guantanamo when the detention facility first opened in early 2001. He was the only Muslim chaplain there at the time, he recalled, and he set up the diet and prayer regimes for the detainees.

Saifulislam took an indirect path to his current calling.

He immigrated to the United States in 1989, after earning a Master’s degree in commerce in Bangladesh. He enlisted in the Navy as a payroll specialist in 1992 with dreams of becoming an officer — something he couldn’t yet do because he wasn’t a U.S. citizen.

Saifulislam became a naturalized U.S. citizen in 1995. Three years later, he signed up for a chaplain’s candidate program that offered a commission as well as a way to serve his fellow Muslims’ spiritual needs.

“When I came to America I realized that I had to make an effort to be faithful to my religion,” he said.

People shouldn’t associate the worship of Islam with the so-called religious theology espoused by terrorists like Osama bin Laden, Saifulislam said. “Terrorism has no religion, and no religion condones terrorism,” he said. “These terrorists just happen to be Muslims.”

Saifulislam’s personal loyalty is firmly aligned with his adopted country, he said, noting his 6-year-old daughter was born in the United States.

“My wife is an American; my sister is an American; my nephews and nieces are Americans,” he said. “If I don’t defend them, who is going to defend them?”

Today, 8 to 10 million Muslims live in the United States. “They love to live in this country, and other Muslims are trying to come here,” Saifulislam said. U.S. Muslims are as patriotic as any other group, he said.

Many of the world’s troubles today seem to be caused by cultural misunderstandings, Saifulislam observed.

“The world is becoming so small,” he pointed out. “It is not a choice that we learn how to live together -- it is a necessity. It is always to our advantage when we learn about others.”

Terrorism is evil and teaches nothing but destruction and death as it seeks to divide the world’s people, Saifulislam said.

That’s why he said he’s committed to preventing Islam from being subverted to serve the terrorists’ agenda. “My fight with them is to protect my religion from that type of hijacking,” Saifulislam concluded.

Posted by: guru at October 4, 2007 5:22 PM

Ouch, them orions & hercs get to ya after a while.
74-99 here, dual branch, periodic recalls for "rubber band" dilemmas...lol

Well,
I started out as a brash arrogant little f**k in the MC 7262 (old mos/rating) on a herc,
(civie break after 1st tour, sucked, went back)
moved up the ladder, degreed, mustang brassed LDO, Naval Option, ended up the ladder to full line, from instructor Post-Grad, Monterey to N6-N2 liaison, after a few SSBIs later, including programming "biscuit"s for POTUS (which he often "lost"-what a nightmare).
Ended up taking early out after 24 net-got sick of the politics up the brass (it's worse than capitol hill) especially over the Kosovo bombing.
Now, between periodic rubber band call ups through IW/C2W, I do a lot of fishing. lol
I keep trying to move on, but keep getting the "oh, man, you remember this old stuff? What do ya make of it?" calls.

I just wanted to go into the NASA program, but ended up there...now I wished I'd just been a damned cook...lol.

Posted by: jcom972 at October 4, 2007 5:24 PM

“Islam is not just a religion to Muslims. It is a way of life,” Saifulislam said.

That, in a nutshell, is the concern.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but upon being commissioned, you do still have to swear an oath that:

"I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic"

From the linked article:

"With the Pew Hispanic Center estimating the U.S. Muslim population in 2007 at 2.35 million people and growing, it's no surprise to see the Muslim population play an important role in all facets of government, said Defense Department officials."

With a U.S. Muslim population of 2.35 million, or about 1/6 the number of hits on the Jihadwatch site hitmeter and less than 1 percent of the U.S. population, it is with great surprise and alarm that I see the Muslim population gaining so many concessions through it's constant bitching and whinning and threats to violence. It is particularly alarming that this is true in the Defense Department.

Message to the administration, congress, and government civil servants: if bitching, whinning, and threats to violence come to influence policy, the application of civil law, and access to the highest levels of government, don't expect other groups to ignor it. This relativistic, multi-cultural handwringing gibberish is going to do nothing but allow all the nuts out of the asylums from the KKK, to the Stalinists, to the NAZIs. Thanks a bunch for all the "diversity".

Posted by: RalphInfidel at October 4, 2007 6:22 PM

Welcome to political correctness, Ralph.
(and yes, your take on the oaths is accurate)

Posted by: jcom972 at October 4, 2007 6:41 PM

Dumber and Dumber. However other governments are
just as bad including my own in Kiwiland. At least one of our Politicians,Copeland, has fronted up and is asking'Why Taxpayers are footing the bill for 'End of Eid' celebrations at
Parliament when NO OTHER FAITH IS GRANTED THIS &
New Zealand is supposed to be a SECULAR DEMOCRACY??

Posted by: Morgane at October 4, 2007 7:29 PM

Same thing, sad to say...
PC is the only death cult bigger and at times much worse than islamism.

Brigitte Gabriel is right...it's killing us.

Posted by: jcom972 at October 4, 2007 7:56 PM

They should have left the hole in the Pentagon.

They fixed it, but left the hole in their heads.

Posted by: profitsbeard at October 4, 2007 8:55 PM

let's see...no nativity scene in public schools...no "under god" for the pledge...

but allowing prayer to mecca by teh religion out to kill us in the pentagon..no problem...

what a bunch of bs...the muslims must eb laughing at us...lets stop appeasing please..

i had enough with tolerance to a hateful "religion"

Posted by: precept at October 4, 2007 9:36 PM

no nativity scene in a public school
remove under God from the pledge but...

having muslims pray to Mecca in the Pentagon is OK.

I am so outraged by this!! They are the nemy, they should not be appeased or tolerated.

i'm sure they were praying to finish the job.

Posted by: precept at October 4, 2007 10:15 PM

jcom972, thanks for posting the oath. I'm not past service, but I have a lot of respect for our service men and women.

Someone who acts as a "Muslim chaplain" (does that sound like a contradiction?) would have to deal with conflicts between the American constitution and a political religion.

It looks, though, as if this chaplain's rise through the ranks is one of political naivete on the part of the Pentagon.

Posted by: desert dweller at October 4, 2007 10:23 PM

Military oath of office:

I, ..., do solemnly swear (on the Bible, not the Koran) that I will support (not undermine) and defend (not betray) the Constitution of the United States (not the canons of Islamic Sharia) against all enemies (of the United States, not of Islam), foreign (including Islamic states and global jihadists) and domestic (including domestic jihadists); that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same (to the Constitution, not to the Umma); that I take this obligation freely (not as a slave of Allah), without any mental reservation (not kitman) or purpose of evasion (not taqiyya); and that I will well (not treacherously) and faithfully (not treasonously) discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God (not Allah).

Posted by: Stendec at October 4, 2007 10:53 PM

"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

-Declaration of Independence, July 4, 1776

Posted by: Foehammer at October 4, 2007 11:29 PM

Baltic Waves wrote:

I've been at liberal pagan events . . . I explain that as a pagan they would not even be given the right to be a dhimmi, their only choice under islam would be convert or death.
.........................

I have a neighbor who lives accross the street, an older lady who is quite a well-known author of Pagan/Wicca books. She is a very nice person, and I've helped her with groceries and her dogs over the years. She has one of those sweet but banal "COEXIST" bumper stickers on her car (you know the ones--the "X" is a Star of David, the "T" is a Cross, the "C" is the Cresent of Islam, etc). I doubt it has occured to her that this last might have no interest in "coexisting" with her.

As a (nominal) member of the "People of the Book" I could probably survive under a Shari'ah state, albeit under horrific and impoverished conditions, and under constant threat of forced conversion and other forms of humiliation and violence. That is, if I could bear to live under these circumstances.

But this neighbor would not have even this option, as you have noted, nor would any of the other New Age devotees and members of assorted small sects. Sadly, most of these folks feel a greater threat from Jehovah's Witnesses turning up on their doorsteps, or Mormons prosletyzing them in the supermarket parking lot, or the supposed machinations the Christian Right, than they do from fundamentalist Islam.

Glad you are trying to get the word out.

Posted by: gravenimage at October 4, 2007 11:34 PM

"They should have left the hole in the Pentagon.

They fixed it, but left the hole in their heads."
Posted by: profitsbeard

That's awesome!

Posted by: champ at October 4, 2007 11:43 PM

Hey Foehammer,
here's food for thought...
We don't need to throw it off, alter or abolish it...we just need to take it back.
Just worth thinkin' about.

Posted by: jcom972 at October 5, 2007 1:00 AM

"COEXIST" bumper stickers on her car (you know the ones--the "X" is a Star of David, the "T" is a Cross, the "C" is the Cresent of Islam, etc).

That is a California T-shirt company led by a very nice Jewish kid.. I've actually met him in person.

When I met him I simply didn't have the heart to get into a friendship-ending HUGE FIGHT with him.

So I snuck out of the showroom looking for a bathroom so I could puke my guts out in private...

Posted by: 2and2is5 at October 5, 2007 1:44 AM

It seems that Lieutenant Commander “Sword of Islam” led 100 Islamic faithful, kneeling toward Mecca, in prayer to Allah to celebrate Ramadan at the Pentagon.

Shouldn't they be kneeling toward the White House? Or at least the Congress?

Two institutions which - at least on the paper which the Constitution is written on - are the Representation of the Democratically elected Will of the American People?!

Posted by: 2and2is5 at October 5, 2007 1:51 AM

...hmmm....Muslim chaplin in Gitmo who may have helped the Muslims feel superior even though they are prisoners of war rightfully imprisoned for promoting violence and participating in events which resulted in the deaths of American Soldiers?......conflict of interest?......did he also act as a conduit for the flow of information or Islamic secrets?.....Did the Muslim prisoners confide in him giving him information that he failed to relay to his superiors?....just whose side is he really on?....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at October 5, 2007 5:56 AM

It would appear that only a military oath of a Muslim who has loudly apostated himself could be accepted as being a true statement of his intentions. By loudly I mean so loud that some iman fatwahed him with a death sentence.

Otherwise, Muslims in uniform regard the oath as a Western joke and are free under the Koran to invoke lying and deception in defense of Islam. Many Muslims in uniform have admitted that they would never harm another Muslim. As an ex-infantryman, I would never allow a Muslim in any combat role. Infantry work calls for greater teamwork than any other human activity. They belong to a cult that has declared that it is this nation's enemy. If we have to have them in our armed services they should be assigned rear-area jobs and even then watched very carefully for sabotage and terrorism.

Posted by: Jimmy Bones at October 6, 2007 3:38 PM