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By now, while I have been swamped with other work and haven't been able to post anything about it, you have no doubt heard that the courageous ex-Muslim Ayaan Hirsi Ali has returned to the Netherlands -- whether temporarily or permanently is unclear -- as the Dutch government stopped paying for her security detail in the United States. That seems to be rather an odd arrangement in the first place, particularly after the Dutch tried to revoke her Dutch citizenship, but she still retains that citizenship. And this story explains that "as a Dutch citizen, Ayaan does not qualify for protection in the United States under US laws and regulations."
That should change. Six years after 9/11 and everyone is still playing politics with the defense against the global jihad, such as it is, and it's just another indication of how much we are currently hamstrung by conventional thinking that no one found or apparently even thought to find some way to arrange for the U.S. government to pay for Hirsi Ali's protection. Some money couldn't be diverted from the iftar dinner budget to cover this? Ayaan Hirsi Ali's presence in the United States cannot be regarded as a national asset that is worth an investment?
Moreover, everyone has grown used to this since the Salman Rushdie affair, but it is worth reminding ourselves that it is scandalous that Ayaan Hirsi Ali needs constant guards at all. What has she done? She has spoken out about Muhammad's deleterious example and the mistreatment of women in Islam. For this she has to fear for her life and be accompanied constantly by guards. Why is there no public discussion or debate about why we are willing to tolerate this in the first place? Why is there no connection of this issue to questions of Muslim immigration? The Netherlands imported Muhammad Bouyeri, and he murdered Theo Van Gogh and threatened Ayaan Hirsi Ali in the name of Islam. How many more Bouyeris has the Netherlands already imported? How many will the Dutch import before they're through? And how many are here in the U.S., due to the same insane immigration policies? Why is there no connection of this issue to the presence of Muslims who hold Islamic supremacist views in the United States already?
"'We Are Making Fools of Ourselves in the Eyes of the World,'" by Leon de Winter in Spiegel Online (thanks to Fjordman):
Fear of fanatical Islamists prompted Ayaan Hirsi Ali to leave the Netherlands, her adopted home, and now she has been forced to return. Paying for her bodyguards in the United States is too expensive for the Dutch government -- what a disgrace.There are exactly five people that the Dutch government has to protect against death threats from radical Islamists.
This sort of protection is expensive. Society bears the costs because freedom of opinion, a cornerstone of our culture, is on the line. The extremists, for their part, are prepared to risk their own lives to kill those under government protection.
The costs of protection are completely disproportionate to the outcome: the continued existence of our values and norms.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali is the sixth person granted protection by the Dutch government. She began receiving threats when, as a Dutch citizen and member of the parliament, she spoke out critically against political Islam. After the so-called "passport scandal," when the Dutch minister of immigration and integration threatened to confiscate her passport after Ayaan had been accused of lying about her name and birth date when she first arrived in the Netherlands, she moved to the United States, which precipitated a sharp upswing in her career within only a few months. She wrote a bestseller and landed a job at the American Enterprise Institute. But as a Dutch citizen, Ayaan does not qualify for protection in the United States under US laws and regulations.
Contrary to what many in the Netherlands believe about the success of her autobiography, she is not wealthy. She could not pay for the kind of protection she needs out of her own pocket -- no matter how much she would like to do so. Besides, the Dutch government apparently failed to find the right US officials with whom they could have reached an agreement. Under a decision by Justice Minister Ernst Hirsch Balin, the protection paid for by the Dutch government expired on Oct. 1. Ayaan returned to the Netherlands, because without protection she doesn't have a day left to live.
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How many days will he give Ayaan? Another week to live? A month? And then it would be time for the butchers of fundamentalist Islam to move in?
Posted by Robert at October 4, 2007 4:35 PM
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My God, the horror of this is unbelievable.
Is what's happening now like people ignoring or making excuses for the Nazi's in the 1930's? Because, I don't get how people can be so ignorant, so blind. I just don't get it.
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at October 4, 2007 5:26 PM
It's all in the programming, darcy
Posted by: jcom972 at October 4, 2007 5:29 PM
But, jcom972, I'm not "programmed." Neither are other JW's. So, what makes other people, MANY other people, "programmed?"
Posted by: darcy at October 4, 2007 5:33 PM
The Dutch government and the US government - as well as the governments of Free Western Nations around the world - are paying HUGE sums of money for the luxury and the pleasure [ummmm...] of having moslems inside our lands..
The forerunners/reconnaissance agents of the global jihad.
They are financing our eventual destruction.
Whether they do so consciously or in ignorance remains debatable.
Thus they cannot even spend the comparable tiny sum on the security of a woman who has chosen to stand against the oncoming/incoming tide of islam-fueled ignorance and violence.
They are using Ayaan Hirsi Ali to make an example to us all.
Shut up or we will leave you unprotected to the minions of jihad.
And if you fight back we will put you on a very public and degrading trial and ultimately in jail.
That is their message to us.
In this oppression by willful omission of their own indigenous populations all our governments are remarkably united.
Therefore one must conclude that they are indeed aware of the many things we are talking about on this board.
They KNOW!
And they are deliberately steering the ship into the oncoming iceberg...
Posted by: Allahfanculo at October 4, 2007 5:35 PM
This is an embarassment for Americans. Our Congressmen stand up and bash radio commentators for out of context statements, and they don't have the guts to protect or even make a statement decrying death threats to people that are sirens of truth. You are seeing free speach dying in the US, and the islamic wolves are smelling the blood. Once the socialist elite of the US succeed in getting the "fairness doctrine" back it will be over with.
Posted by: never_submit at October 4, 2007 5:35 PM
I can complain till the cows come home . . .but I'd rather do something productive. What can we do to help Ms. Aayan Hirsi Ali? How can I help? I want to make a difference because this matters. It matters a a great deal . . .yes, it's a matter of life and death.
Posted by: justamomof4 at October 4, 2007 5:39 PM
maybe if she converts back to islam the dutch goverment may then stop deportation, not revoke her citizenship and pay her jizya.
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at October 4, 2007 5:43 PM
Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, the One Mediator between God and men.
It's all in the programming, darcy
Posted by: jcom972 at October 4, 2007 5:29 PM
But, jcom972, I'm not "programmed." Neither are other JW's. So, what makes other people, MANY other people, "programmed?"
Posted by: darcy
Is it programming or perhaps just plain apathy?
I am constantly amazed at the number of people I meet that know absolutely nothing of world affairs and like it that way. And people who don't seem to ever investigate any kind of spiritual issues. Do they ever wonder why they are here? What's it all about, Alfie?
Hard to believe anyone in my generation will ever get up enough gumption to fight, as my father and uncles did in WWII.
I pray every day that God will protect people like RS HF and Ayaan Hirsi Ali.
Posted by: Stand fast in the liberty at October 4, 2007 5:43 PM
Darcy, it's worth bearing in mind that in Nazi Germany in the 1930's, if you weren't Jewish, a political opponent or another type of undesireable, life wasn't that bad. Just so long as you kept your nose clean and didn't criticise anything, things were better than they were during the raging inflation times.
Similarly, today, people just don't want to know about people who rock the boat. Live in a nice neighbourhood, get a good job, a few nice holidays and enjoy yourself.
That's the problem. A lot of this just doesn't impact on people's lives (as yet) if they don't want it to.
Posted by: Celsius at October 4, 2007 5:49 PM
Stand fast in the liberty,
At the end of my prayers each night I say, "God, please protect us from the Mohammedans. Jesus, please save us from the Mohammedans." And I mean it.
Posted by: darcy at October 4, 2007 5:50 PM
No, no, darcy...THEIR programming, not you...lol
Posted by: jcom972 at October 4, 2007 5:51 PM
I knew what you meant, jcom972 - no confusion. No, it's not me, it's them - the walking human PC robots.
Celsius - "As Yet" - well, I'm a Cassandra. I can see into the future, like many other JW's. And we have to start fighting back NOW. NOW.
Posted by: darcy at October 4, 2007 5:55 PM
Greetings:
Once, back in the joy of my youth, I read a novel called "The Rebel" during a hospital stay. The book was unmemorable and unrecommedable except for one sentence which cememted itself into my memory.
"The main problem with democracy is the selfishness it guarantees its people."
Posted by: 11B40 at October 4, 2007 5:55 PM
Who paid for Salman Rushdie's protection?
Posted by: atheling at October 4, 2007 5:56 PM
The western world wants to avoid war above all else. So much so we refuse to even name the enemy. Just like in the 1930s. Europe did all they could to bow to Hitler just as they are bowing to Islam. Seems we don't learn from history. As sad as I am to say this, It is our Children who will have to find the courage to fight this enemy because we as a society refuse to. May God help them.
Jack
Posted by: Jack Deth at October 4, 2007 5:57 PM
The HUGE money it costs us - both in security measures as well as in social spending - to play unwilling hosts to hordes of hateful moslems is more than a slap in the face to those who demand that a courageous woman who speaks out against the violence that islam brings to the world be assured the safety to speak out in the very Freedom which we all have been taking for granted.
This Freedom was firts threatened when Salman Rushdie's life was threatened by a foreign head of state [kakamamie].
I am not sure if Mr. Rushdie was a British citizen at that time but if indeed he was then that was a direct Declaration of War.
And yet very little happened.
The floodgates were opened yet even wider to allow more moslems into our countries.
Were the host populations willing to go along with this?
And now we find ourselves in this shameful circumstance where two Western governments are hanging someone who has made herself very vulnerable - by speaking the Truth loudly and clearly - out to dry.
There is a 500 ton Gorilla in the room and everyone is expected to remain silent about this fact.
Both the Dutch and the US Governments who always find a MILLION excuses to allow criminal terrorists to remain among us - are now comitting the crime of comission by omission.
how many times have we heard that the violent extremist mahomet X Y or Z can't be extrtadited because he might be "tortured" if he were sent back home.
So these beasts remain free to roam and plot terror among us - often on the dole of the taxpayer.
And here we have someone who is under grave threat by the very extremists whom our guvmints refuse to deal with.
Ironic, isn't it?
And WHERE is the ACLU?? WHERE is Shamnesty International?!!
They have lost ALL credibility! They never had any - truth be told.
Posted by: Allahfanculo at October 4, 2007 5:58 PM
Is this what you mean, 11B40? Not a novel, a long essay by Camus:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rebel
at October 4, 2007 5:59 PM
Ok, and on further thought, since nobody is giving anyone else the benefit of the doubt...here goes...
I refer to the islamists programming, not those of JW/DW, not my colleague darcy, nor anyone of us rational posters here...
It's the programming of the islamists that's the problem...
...as far as the locals there, it's a matter of being beaten down into frustration and ambivalence because common sense has been purged & replaced with political correctness, condemning anyone who dares call a spade a spade vs the islamists, lest they face the same "love" as theo van gogh.
That's all I was referring to...hope no harm done.
I hope that allayed any concerns.
at October 4, 2007 5:59 PM
why was it that captain hook aka Abu Hamza was living off of welfare YET had a contingent of masked islamic body guards who would follow him around EVERYWHERE! compared to our defender of western values, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, is gonna walk into a wolves den and no one will protect her.
honestly, im gonna sound really bad here but we in the west, we deserve what we're gonna get. and it's gonna be hundreds of thousands dead in a nuke attack.
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at October 4, 2007 6:00 PM
Poor women, what a reward for bravery.
Still as long as no bearded person with a psychological disorder misinterprets Islam(again), she should be alright.
Good job she's black, they'd have handed her over if she was white, while shouting fascist at the top of their voices, the better to drown the clamour of their consciences.
The History Man, fiction becomes reality, next it'll be The Old Men at the Zoo.
at October 4, 2007 6:02 PM
Sad to say, leon...it certainly looks that way, hence, my comment:
"we get what we tolerate"
at October 4, 2007 6:03 PM
jcom - I was referring to non-Muslim peoples' programming by Political Correctness, the absolute scourge of our times...
Posted by: darcy at October 4, 2007 6:04 PM
At the end of my prayers each night I say, "God, please protect us from the Mohammedans. Jesus, please save us from the Mohammedans." And I mean it.
Posted by: darcy
We can protect ourselves.. as long as the guvmint gets out of the damn way!
I see an increase in mahometa-frequency daily in my own neighborhood.. a real shame.. today i had some pulled pork samwiches to go so I held them in their direction when they tried to walk into my path and make me get out of the way. Needless to say I held my ground :-)
They might not have known what was in the bag but my grin must have said it all :-) VEG!
Posted by: Allahfanculo at October 4, 2007 6:05 PM
Well why didn't she become a US citizen? That would jump the hurdle of the US paying for her protection.
Also, why doesn't her publisher help her with this?
Posted by: atheling at October 4, 2007 6:14 PM
This isn't about a lack of money. There are countless organizations that could step up to help protect her. How about some churches? The Catholic church has no problem providing sanctuary to illegal aliens.
Where are the defenders of free speech?
This is a national shame. It seems like this is a country that prefers to say "never again," rather than to be proactive.
OT:
Just last night I was watching Ken Burns' production on WWII. I was dumbstruck when it talked about the
German subs sinking ships on the US east coast. The narrator said "America seemed totally unprepared to handle this kind of attack." Meaning, I assume, an attack on the homeland. American government still seems unprepared for the kinds of attacks it is likely to be asked to defend against. And unwilling to prepare.
The fanatics see our weakness-- no, we broadcast it to them now. I fear the worst.
Posted by: cumulusnine at October 4, 2007 6:14 PM
Thanks darcy...I knew that, but perhaps I should've been more specific myself.
(You're among the LAST people I'd EVER consider "programmed"...good Heavens! lol)
Thanks for helpin' me out there!
at October 4, 2007 6:17 PM
the socialists and their liberal slaves will be peeing themselves with joy once their "frankenstein multicultural Ayaan Hirsi Ali) is put out of action.
"shes an african immigrant, but shes anti muslim and joined the national party? god we must have her silenced, this is not how our socialist master plan should go"
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at October 4, 2007 6:18 PM
cumulusnine:
Providing "sanctuary" to illegals is not the same as providing and armed guard for Ms. Hirsi Ali.
Apples and oranges.
Posted by: atheling at October 4, 2007 6:23 PM
“Who paid for Salman Rushdie's protection?”
I did, not all of it obviously. But I paid my share and I would be happy to pay for Ayaan Hirsi Ali too, but my government having been reading a book by George Orwell and now the British public get a stick that’s shitty at both ends.
That said as a Dutch Citizen she is legally entitled to live and work in the UK. The British Police would be expected by law to protect her from harm (whatever the cost) and she could not be deported!
at October 4, 2007 6:26 PM
Does anyone doubt that if some Imam were threatened, the U.S. and Dutch governments would find the funds necessary to provide bodyguards for him.
Posted by: rational at October 4, 2007 6:27 PM
"we get what we tolerate"
Posted by: jcom972
That's a bumper sticker..
/sarc off
Hearing this news has me as pissed off as it has you guys..
Posted by: Allahfanculo at October 4, 2007 6:28 PM
Thank You for the compliment, jcom! Wow, and you don't even know me.
Nope, I ain't "programmed." No how, no way. And neither are you nor anyone else on JW, Thank God.
Posted by: darcy at October 4, 2007 6:34 PM
Allahfanculo
no i'll be madder once i hear on the msm by some smiling celebrity news reader that Ayaan Hirsi Ali was found decapitated in amsterdam then the news will switch to another story and the celebrity msm news readers face will get all serious when he/she realates the gossip that another celebrity has been "caught" drinking and driving.
and america will go back to sleep.
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at October 4, 2007 6:35 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7027533.stm
hey but good news!
anne frank's tree is being saved!
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at October 4, 2007 6:36 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7027533.stm
hey but good news!
anne frank's tree is being saved!
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at October 4, 2007 6:36 PM
I sent an e-mail to the White House today saying, "Stop calling Islam a "religion of peace." STOP!" Among other comments about Islam/Muslims.
comments@whitehouse.gov
Posted by: darcy at October 4, 2007 6:38 PM
aetheling:
Providing "sanctuary" to illegals is not the same as providing and armed guard for Ms. Hirsi Ali.
Apples and oranges.
You are correct. It wasn't intended to be a comparison of two things that are exactly the same. I was simply trying to point out that an institution, the Catholic Church, is putting its money where its mouth is. It is standing up and supporting what it believes is the right thing to do, regardless of the law.
Surely there must be some institution or organization out there with a belief in protecting people who are exercising their rights to free speech, that is willing to put up the money. What a great opportunity to support ones beliefs with action. What a great way to show that we will not be intimidated into silence.
Do you not see some parallel there?
Posted by: cumulusnine at October 4, 2007 6:44 PM
Given the state of things in Europe, including the EU, I fear that her presence back in the Netherlands will allow EU Muslims to initiate legal procedings against her for what they would term "hate crimes" or at the very least "hate speech".
Posted by: tblab at October 4, 2007 6:48 PM
"At the end of my prayers each night I say, "God, please protect us from the Mohammedans. Jesus, please save us from the Mohammedans." And I mean it. - Posted by: darcy
From Paul Fregosi's book, "JIHAD in the West" published pre 9/11 in 1998. . .in a paragraph found midway down page 22 you'll find. . .
The Jihad originates in the Koranic teaching and was practiced by Muhammad in his lifetime against Jewish and pagan tribes in the Arabian peninsula, and soon after his death against the Persians and against the Christian peoples of the Byzantine empire, Syria, and Palestine. Hundreds of years later it terrified Europe.
"From the fury of the Mahommedan, spare us, O Lord"
WAS . . .a prayer heard for centuries in all the churches of central and southern Europe.
Was . . . sigh.
Posted by: justamomof4 at October 4, 2007 7:04 PM
Absolutely. Ms Ali needs and deserves round the clock protection-strange that the Dutch Government like all Western ones CAN AFFORD TO PAY
JIHADISTS WELFARE BENEFITS-hey-wasn't our latest
Bosnian Muslims Wannabes both on Welfare? Yet for
this brave woman there is nothing except what she can earn by lectures and her pen. Put in one word.
DISGRACEFUL.
at October 4, 2007 7:04 PM
Its a shame we can't divert the money we are spending on protecting those rats in the House towards a permanent security detail for Ms. Ayaan Hirsi Ali. It is inconceivable that our State Department, Defense Department and intelligence community would not offer the mantle of protection to her since she is a priceless asset in the WOT. But, since Islam is such a great and peaceful religion, the U.S. House of Representatives felt it necessary to commend the Mohammedans for their faith when at the very same time, Ms. Ali's sanctuary from Islamic fundamentalists was curtailed and she was cast back upon the Dutch government for protection of life and limb. How ironic!
One would think that the media outlets would want to interview her frequently and refer questions about practices and tenets of her former religion. But, alas, CNN has Christianne Amanpour and we all saw her 'uncompromised objectivity' in reporting on the 'equivalence of all religions as vehicles for violent extremism'. FOX, MSNBC and the rest have no one of Ms. Ali's intellectual stature to speak on the subject of Islam, terrorism and women's rights, and, evidently, prefer to ignore this triad of relevant topics.
Since, NOW and the rest of the feminist organizations in this country are oblivious to the oppression of women because there is simply no glamour in defending the human rights of poor, uneducated, third world women and girls from beatings, stonings, honor killings, denial of education, medical mutilation and inequality under the law in any nation, we have lost a valuable asset to this important cause.
A petition addressed to the Dutch government and the EU demanding that they protect Ms. Ali's life and her right to continue to speak with impunity from Islamic retaliation should be in order if someone else hasn't already suggested or initiated said petition. As citizens of the world, we have a right to exercise our free speech and freedom of conscience in matters affecting our liberty and our way of life. Since, Ms. Ali demonstrated how freedom of speech is not abused as a means of public information and discourse, we must support her, if in name only on a petition, to the powers that seem increasingly indifferent to our existence.
Posted by: BurkasforHitlery at October 4, 2007 7:09 PM
OT, since I did not wish to interject anything detracting from the locus of my previous post, I will interject it here.
Where are the geniuses who should be able to project world events leading to a global conflict against the supposed (and now declared by the cowards in the U.S. House of Representatives) glorious religion of peace?
After WWII, men returning from war worked together to build the most prosperous and just nation on the planet. Now, these same men are dying a thousand a day and their equals are no where to be found.
Ambition, greed and avarice pass for political savvy and leadership qualifications.
Every treaty, act, law and diplomatic overture is calculated to yield some profit, some capitalistic advantage, and principles and common sense take a back seat to currency, margins and legal loopholes.
And, we see there are no real men and certainly no leadership in the House of Representatives, or for that matter elsewhere, to stand fast in liberty. Judging by the surrender of judgment in the House this week, an investigation into the financial affairs of each and every one of these turncoats for undue influence of Saudi, Arab and Islamist lobbyists is in order.
Although, President Bush has been crucified in the media for an unpopular war, he, at least, has the prescience to forsee where we are headed with the glorious religion of peace.
Posted by: BurkasforHitlery at October 4, 2007 7:33 PM
It's not the job of DOD/intel (but I wished to hell it was)...but you're right-this is a golden opportunity and we're letting it go...presumably to appease durkanese hypersensitivity like CAIR, which I suspect, hand their hands in on this revocation.
Common tactic of islamists...force the enemy to give up their trump card dangling over their murderous heads, masquerading as a guilt trip/persecution feign
(much like taliban's "no negotiation until all troops leave,
like syria's "no negotiations until golan is returned",
like palestinians "no negotiations until we get 'right of return'/no return fire on our unprovoked rampages", and so on),
then once the only thing that CAN stop their rampage is gone, they go for the kill...literally.
Our maximum leaders need to wise up...rapidly.
Posted by: jcom972 at October 4, 2007 7:38 PM
Why, exactly, does she need protection in the US? Who, specifically, woulld be in our counrty that would commit political/religious murder? Isn't this just fear mongering? You know that stuff from the Middle East and Europe just won't happen here, right?
Its obvous that the fear of domestic terror is irrational and unsubstantiated by the facts. Its all about a bumper sticker mentality. f you have anyone to fear it is the aggressive Zionsts; the government is covering up the truth that RFK was actually murdered by Mossad and Sirhan Sirhan was just a patsy (investigate that guy with the Jewish sounding name - Rosey Greer). Beware the christianist KKK and another staged attack so the election can be cancelled and Cheney installed as the American Pope.
If ths woman would just stop talking bad about nice people then she wouldn't be in such trouble. She insults and then tries to hide her hate speech behind the facade of free speech. She just needs to be stoned and accept that the West is in decline and can no longer manipulate the world econmy for its own benefit; She has to get used to the idea that other cultures norms are just as legitimate.
Oh yeh, its all about oil.
See, dude, you have been totally debunked (TM)
OK, now you try it: come up with an absolutely absurd attack, do a web search, and I'm sure you can find some nut with Truth...
http://www.citizinemag.com/politics/politics_0506_rfk_twhite.htmpages/2.htm.
No Parole, EVER! for RFK's murderer, the palestinian Sirhan Sirhan.
Posted by: Sashland at October 4, 2007 8:07 PM
I guesstimate we will be at 1 TRILLION dollars for the total costs of Tarbaby Iraq by early next year. There is every chance that the entire amount spent on this war (at least that amount devoted towards the democracy project) will be considered a total waste when the void is eventually filled by competing groups of jihadists when we leave.
Recall that massive Embassy complex being built in Baghdad? Was that $54 million? And those Super Madrassas being built in Afghanistan to teach Afghani's a kinder and gentler version of Islam than they might learn across the border in Pakistan. and that cost? What about Karen Hughes brainchild project to offer summer "democracy" camps for wayward Pakistan teenagers. Cost of that project.
And the U.S. government cannot find sufficient funds to finance the protection of a venerated leader against the global jihad. She has done more towards protecting infidels with her pen (or PC) than Bush has done with spending that 1 Trillion dollars.
I predict she will return to the U.S. to live some day. I believe she is in her late 30's 39?. How long will it be before Holland is overrun by the jihadists? Amsterdam is projected to be a muslim majority by 2015.
In the meantime she will, hopefully, continue to write, and speak out.
Posted by: USorThem at October 4, 2007 8:17 PM
"Was that $54 million? [for the American Embassy complex in Baghdad]
-- from a posting above
No. The total cost of this place, which will never be occupied by the Americans (possibly one or two of its buildings will be, but that will be it) is estimated to cost $595 million. Everyone went along; no one thought the project absurd, no one thought the big plans for Iraq were absurd. But they always were.
Posted by: Hugh at October 4, 2007 10:07 PM
Half a billion dollars for a 'super-fortress embassy' that wouldn't have to be a half billion dollar super fortress if Iraq was in any sense a 'success'. It is madness.
And the numbers of Iraq vets on food stamps, barely able to support their families and the veteran hospitals for the most part STILL as shitty as ever.
at October 4, 2007 10:15 PM
This greatly saddens me. In the 'civilized' west, people simply exercising their right to speak freely are living under the threat of death just like over the the Crapistans. I thought we were 'fighting them over there' so we didn't have 'to fight them over here'? Looks like we're not making much headway in the battle if death threats are still coming.
Where is Ayaan Hirsi Ali's right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? How much time and money is being spent on politically correct projects in order to kiss the nasty butts of these terrorists we've imported- but no effort is made to protect someone who truly came here for freedom??!
If I sold her an acre or two of land to live on for $1, I wonder how many people would volunteer some time as security? I'd take a turn- K31 in hand.
Pray hard folks! We're going to face these challenges more and more. Pray hard- ask the Lord in Heaven for the strength to stand firm for what we believe individually, and for the principles this great nation was founded on!!
at October 4, 2007 10:42 PM
I am SURE that we can find some large conservative American organization that will sponsor Ayaan Hirsi Ali.
A shame on us if we cannot.
This woman has more power than ALL of the bombs we dropped on Iraq and Afghanistan, for which we have popped more than one billion dollars.
Bring her back! This is the most important dissident of Islam since Rushdie.
Posted by: JohnAdams at October 4, 2007 11:42 PM
I thought about extending an invitation to Ms. Hirsi Ali though she'd stick out like a sore thumb where I live... white bread small town.
I thought she was with the Heritage Foundation... and why can't her publisher help her?
Posted by: atheling at October 4, 2007 11:58 PM
Sone tornato per dire qualche cose.. sono arrabiato de vedere biocchato il mio vero nome di difesa contro le mostri musulmani.
Sono lore che fanno la violenza contro tutto il mondo.
Quindi é ugualmente buono e giusto per tutti de noi de dire le anche le cose violente in contro di loro.
Affanculo i stronzi musulmani di alla.
Posted by: 2and2is5 at October 5, 2007 1:11 AM
Victory in WWII was achieved with the contributions of many, but perhaps one of the most important contributors to that war effort was made by the immigrant Albert Einstein who in 1939 advised Roosevelt of the importance of tooling up for the nuclear bomb.
In this war with Islam, Ayaan Hirsi Ali's words have the same relative power to help achieve victory as Einstein's did then. It is inconceivable that we would have sent Einstein back to Nazi Germany, and the same goes now for Ayaan. We need to grab her from the Netherlands, make her a citizen and give her all the security she needs to do what she does best.
Among other things, she should have a daily broadcast on NPR to educate Americans on the Islamic threat, and on that State Department station that is supposedly directed to the Muslim street. It would also not hurt for her to have a pulpit to wake up the Europeans. The right words at the right time can be as devastating as bombing raids.
at October 5, 2007 1:40 AM
Stuff this.
IMPORTANT IDEA, PLEASE READ.
Look, why don't we put our money where our mouth is for once? Set up a collection to pay for Hirsi-Ali's bodyguards? I have zero internet skills, and so can't manage Paypal, but if someone else could do so, I think that this would be a fine and worthwhile thing to do. I pledge to donate just as soon as there is somewhere I can.
Listen, a popular webcomic managed to raise a year's worth of salary for its author to work full time on it a while back. Can't we do the same?
Posted by: Fanusi Khiyal at October 5, 2007 1:45 AM
Let's get a couple of things straight, because there seem to be quite a few twists and misunderstandings here.
First of all, no one has suggested that Hirsi Ali go without protection. What they've said is that as a private citizen no longer living in the Netherlands, the costs of her protection should no longer be the responsibility of Dutch tax payers. Moreover, if you look at the situation, the extent of her security in the US is way beyond what is necessary. The risks simply aren't the same in America as in the Netherlands. They do not require $3 million a year in protective services, with two bulletproof cars and six agents. Most Americans, members of this site excepted, have no clue who she is and would not recognize her on the street. And while Islamic extremism exists -- more than the press generally acknowledges -- in the USA, it doesn't come close to the level it has reached in Holland, where Hirsi Ali was, for years, photographed nearly every day on the front pages of the national newspapers and appeared daily on national TV. It's a whole different ball game.
As for Leon de Winter's statement - it's something of revisionist history. Hirsi Ali did not leave Holland because she was threatened. She left Holland because (1) she was sick of working in politics; (2) the country was too small for her, and too limited in its thinking; (3) she was accused of having received her passport under false pretenses and was essentially being deported. If it were true that she felt unsafe in Holland, why in godsname would she return to the Netherlands when her security in the US was threatened?!
Someone here wrote:
>>This isn't about a lack of money. There are countless organizations that could step up to help protect her. How about some churches? The Catholic church has no problem providing sanctuary to illegal aliens.
at October 5, 2007 2:22 AM
Maybe I'm missing something, but why can't she just apply for political asylum? From there, she can be on track for U.S. citizenship and protection.
Posted by: yadayada at October 5, 2007 2:39 AM
I don't think it is not about the money for the protection. Like everything else, it is political.
If something had happened to her in the US, despite the protection, it would be an enormous embarrassment to the administration. They would have to take sides.
By getting rid of an extremly hot potatoe, problem solved. Let someone else carry the can.
at October 5, 2007 3:09 AM
I don't think it is about the money for the protection.
Slight grammatical correction.
Posted by: pr126 at October 5, 2007 3:11 AM
Allahfanculo wrote:
"And they are deliberately steering the ship into the oncoming iceberg..."Exactly right. The murder-suicide of the West by its liberal elites isn't an accident. It's deliberate. They have pronounced us guilty. Guilty of racism, sexism, homophobia, capitalist rapine, environmental disaster, intolerance, injustice and just plain evil.
Our sentence: Death.
Death by any means possible, and there's lots to choose from; socialism, open borders, Islam, the UN, the EU -- plenty of willing executioners. The trick is to lull us victims into passivity and acceptance, even welcoming our fate, because if we wake up and start thrashing around things could get very messy.
No accident folks. Your Liberal overlords are killing you on purpose.
Posted by: Zeno at October 5, 2007 3:27 AM
are:
Did you read her book? She details how she was whisked out of the Netherlands to the States because of the threat to her life.
What I don't understand is why she didn't become a US citizen in order to avoid that law which doesn't allow her protection as an alien. Perhaps she wanted to go back to the Netherlands. From her book it doesn't sound like she was very happy with the security and location she was placed in while here in the US.
I'm all for the idea of creating a fund to help with Ms. Hirsi ali's security. I'm not savvy on how to initiate something like that. Anyone else know? If it was started, I'd certainly contribute.
Posted by: atheling at October 5, 2007 11:48 AM
"How much is her life worth, according to Minister Balin's budget? How does he calculate this? These are politically sensitive questions, questions that former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher never asked when it came to the life of Salman Rushdie, wherever he happened to be." -- from the article
Posted by: Josephine at October 5, 2007 4:57 PM
I not only read her book, I lived it. I;'ve known Ayaan Hirsi Ali personally for years. I also know that her book was ghostwritten, and since I live in the Netherlands and have been party to the entire series of events that took place there/here, I can tell you that what happened was that she was nearly deported becaause of falsehoods she told while applying for asylum. She planned on leaving anyway, not because of the threat to her life, but because she was fighting with her party members, was frustrated by the way the Dutch political system works, and knew that she was too big, that her ideas were too brave, for Holland. It had zero to do with her safety. And it drives me nuts when people like Leon de Winter claim otherwise.
One does not, btw, simply "become" a US citizen. One goes through a lengthy process, beginning with getting a green card, which she now has. However, she is happy being Dutch, so I doubt she'll try for US citizenship. Even if she did, it would not entitle her to the kind of protection she is seeking, which, in the US, is given only to heads of state on a temporary basis, and to our own president, vice president, and former presidents. We're talking six bodyguards, two bulletproof cars, 24 hours a day - according to Dutch officials, at a cost of $2.8 million a year.
She has started up a collection. How much she intends to put in of her own significant earnings, I don't know; but do feel free to contribute.
Posted by: are at October 6, 2007 7:06 AM
One point - she was indeed whisked to the US during the period after Theo van Gogh's death, as she was earlier, when the first threats against her began in 2002. But her decision to move there and work for the American Enterprise Institute (not the Heritage Foundation) was not related to this.
Posted by: are at October 6, 2007 7:08 AM
I will pray for Ms. Hirsi Ali's safety. I urge all others to do the same.
She is a lovely, wonderful human being who has done the world a great deal of good (even if many people aren't smart enough to see this).
The world is a better place for her being here!
May Ms. Ali live to be 100!
And may the REAL GOD (Yahweh) deliver her and all of us from Islam, the 'religion' of horror!
Posted by: pythagoras at October 8, 2007 1:39 PM
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