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How many of the 90 attendees renounce Islamic supremacism -- the proposition that "Islam must dominate, and not be dominated" -- in principle? How many renounce in principle the proposition that it would be a good thing ultimately to replace the U.S. Constitution with Sharia? No one knows, of course, because no one dares to ask. The idea that the terrorist agenda could be advanced by non-lethal means, and that some may be pursuing this right now, is not on anyone's radar screen.
Of course, it may be that the ninety participants all cheerfully accept American pluralism and are ready to teach their fellow Muslims that they must live as equals with unbelievers -- on a permanent, not a temporary basis. But no one really knows, because most don't know to ask (after all, Islam is a Religion of Peace), and those who do know to ask don't dare.
"Bush: Terrorists don't represent Islam," from AP (thanks to Ruth King):
The United States has a proud history of standing with Muslims and "mainstream citizens across the broader Middle East," President George W. Bush said during a dinner to mark the end of the daily fast during Ramadan.President George W. Bush speaks during the iftar Dinner with ambassadors and Muslim Leaders in the State Dining Room of the White House, Thursday.
Speaking to about 90 attendees Thursday during the White House's annual iftar dinner marking the occasion, Bush said the United States has supported Muslims seeking liberty in Iraq, Afghanistan and Lebanon and has stood with Muslims across the world facing hardship. He said violent extremists do not represent Islam.
"They believe that by spreading chaos and violence they can frustrate the desire of Muslims to live in freedom and peace. We say to them, you don't represent Muslims, you do not represent Islam - and you will not succeed," Bush told the attendees, who included Muslim leaders and ambassadors, as well as first lady Laura Bush, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Vice President Dick Cheney and Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff.
This is the seventh year Bush has hosted an itfar dinner, this year inviting American Muslim women who have made contributions in fields such as science, education, civil society and the arts and culture, according to the White House.
Lt. Cmdr. Abuhena Saifulislam, the second Muslim chaplain commissioned in the Navy, gave the blessing for dinner. The guests dined in the White House's State Dining Room.
"Let us celebrate the millions of Muslims that we are proud to call American citizens," Bush told guests. "And let us honor the many Muslim nations that America is proud to call friends."
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And Nazis didn't represent German people, but did what they did.
Posted by: LazarOfSerbia
at October 5, 2007 7:20 AM
Bush sux.
Bush doesn't represent America.
Bush doesn't know s#*t about the constitution, history, religion, ethics, Islam or any f*&ing thing.
Bush is bad.
But the oppositon is worse.
Can I get my life jacket and my parachute now?
Posted by: sheik yer'mami
at October 5, 2007 7:46 AM
And his best friends:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81OUQC1W6V8
Posted by: LazarOfSerbia
at October 5, 2007 7:49 AM
"They believe that by spreading chaos and violence they can frustrate the desire of Muslims to live in freedom and peace."
As we say in the Air Force, WTFO? (What the f**k, over?)
The freedom they desire--to live as fatalistic slaves of Allah.
The peace they desire--the peace that comes only after every one of us, Muslim or not, has submitted to Islamic Sharia.
Outrageous ignorance on display, by the leader of the free world.
at October 5, 2007 8:23 AM
Im sure he is talking about sein fein
Posted by: GrennBeck
at October 5, 2007 8:29 AM
""Bush: Terrorists don't represent Islam,"
...but Islam is represented by terrorists.....
Ban Muslim Immigration...
at October 5, 2007 8:33 AM
How much longer till '08?
Posted by: senor doeboy
at October 5, 2007 8:34 AM
I am just plain happy 2008 is not that far away. President Bush is in his own little world. Even the majority of Americans do not belive him anymore.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106
at October 5, 2007 8:53 AM
"...this year inviting American Muslim women who have made contributions..."
Oh, my goodness! He invited Muslim women, this year! Well, ain't that special? He must have gotten the memo about the 19th Amendment, this year.
On the other hand, he allowed Super Psychopath, Ahmadinejad, to address an American college, when said Super Psychopath should have been hustled onto the first jet out of here, after his business with the UN was completed.
At least Ms. King got the right phrase, with "American Muslim" women, rather than placing the Muslim adjective first.
Posted by: Abscedere
at October 5, 2007 9:04 AM
We're supposed to be deporting muslims not inviting them to the White House!
Posted by: mike trivisonno
at October 5, 2007 9:10 AM
Me to Bush:
You don't represent me-not anymore after making such stupid statements. In fact, you don't represent common sense at all.
Time was when enemies of a nation were jailed or smashed, not invited to dine at the center of power and have praise heaped upon them. We live in depraved times when such things are allowed to happen.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS
at October 5, 2007 9:16 AM
"As we say in the Air Force, WTFO? "
....Navy....SNAFU
....Army....FTW
....Marines....DIEMF...
at October 5, 2007 9:20 AM
And Nazis didn't represent German people, but did what they did.
Posted by: LazarOfSerbia at October 5, 2007 7:20 AM
Bush seems to suffer from the same delusions a lot of Germans had during the Holocaust when they said "If only Hitler knew, he'd stop it". Looks like history is repeating itself here and now.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS
at October 5, 2007 9:43 AM
The United States has a proud history of standing with Muslims and "mainstream citizens across the broader Middle East,"
Bush has obviously never heard of the Barbary Pirates. Madison is rolling over in his grave.
Posted by: Bigfoot
at October 5, 2007 9:50 AM
Here is a report from the Voice of America correspondent Scott Stearns, the version that is beamed out across the world, paid for by you and by me, and taken by those who listen to VOA to be official American policy, and representative of what we think, what we feel, how we see things. It contains quotes which are not in the version in the article above, and are even more indigestible, nausea-inducing, than what you have already read:
"The special guests at this year’s Iftaar dinner were American Muslim women who have contributed to the nation’s science, education, arts, and culture.
Mr. Bush said Ramadan is a time of charity and service to those less fortunate and a time to celebrate Islam’s learned and vibrant culture which he says has enriched civilization for centuries. “Ramadan is also a good time for Americans of all faiths to reflect on the values we hold in common including love of family, gratitude to the Almighty, devotion to community, and a commitment to religious liberty,” he said.
Today, the president said, the world is at war with violent extremists who seek to stop the advance of freedom in Muslim societies around the world. “They attack holy sites, destroy mosques and minarets, and kill innocent men, women and children including Muslims who do not share their radical views. They believe that by spreading chaos and violence they can frustrate the desire of Muslims to live in freedom and peace. We say to them, ‘You do not represent Muslims. You do not represent Islam. And you will not succeed,’” he said."
Now let's take a moment. Take a good look at many of those phrases. Stare at them. Think about what it means for Bush to have uttered them. He was under no obligation to do so. He might have not come at all, but sent an aide. He might have come, but not said what he did say. Who wrote the speech? Did he have Muslim advisers in on the final version?
Who, for example, wrote for him the following flat-out lie:
“Ramadan is also a good time for Americans of all faiths to reflect on the values we hold in common including love of family, gratitude to the Almighty, devotion to community, and a commitment to religious liberty."
We do NOT "hold in common" with Muslims a "commitment to religious liberty." See the Qur'an, see the Hadith, see 1350 years of Muslim history. See how Christians are treated (there are no obvious Jews) in Saudi Arabia. See the treatment of Christians and Jews in the Maghreb, over the past 1350 years. See what is happening, what has happened, to the Copts in Egypt, to the Maronites and other Christains in Lebanon. See what is happening even to those collaborationist islamochristian "Palestinians" in Bethlehem, under the "Palestinian" Authority. See what happens to Mandaeans, to Yazidis, to Chaldo-Assyrians in Iraq. See what happens to Christians and Jews and Baha'is in Iran, what happened not only under Khomeini, but in the case of the Christians and Jews, what happened before Khomeini, what happened under, say, Shah Abbas II? See what happens to Hindus today in Pakistan and Bangladesh. See what happens to Chinese and Indians in Malaysia, and happens more and more as the Muslim majority increases. See what happens to Christians in the Moluccas right now, or to the Christian East Timorese a decade ago.
What does the word "dhimmi" mean to George Bush? Has he ever used it? Has anyone in the Administration ever used that word? No. Why not? Do they know what it means? Do they think it would be impolitic and impolite to use it? Bush might have injected any number of qualifying phrases. He said as follows:
"Ramadan is also a good time for Americans of all faiths to reflect on the values we hold in common including love of family, gratitude to the Almighty, devotion to community, and a commitment to religious liberty."
It's all bumf and bomfoggery, of course, of the kind we are supposed to accept (would Washington, or Jefferson, or Lincoln have ever spoken thus, with this empty, perfectly predictable rhetoric unworthy of an eighth-grader's peroration at a school assembly?). But what about that phrase? How might even Bush have put it so as to make the offense to the truth less rank?
He might have said:
"Ramadan may be an especially fitting time for Muslims in America to reflect on American values -- love of family, gratitude to the Almighty, devotion to the community, and a commitment to religious liberty -- that many of them have experienced and profitted from."
The dangerous gush has been removed. And now the words, not being as confused, inaccurate, and dangerously misleading to Infidels, no longer stink to high heaven, as do those he actually uttered.
Posted by: Hugh
at October 5, 2007 9:52 AM
Not a partial idiot. A complete idiot.
Posted by: Hugh
at October 5, 2007 10:21 AM
Bush = Carter
For the full speech it can be found at the White House site.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/10/20071004-9.html
He says in another part of this modern day "Gettysburg address"...
"Americans have a history of standing with Muslims facing suffering and hardship -- and it's a proud history. Our country defended Muslims in Bosnia and Kosovo after the breakup of Yugoslavia. We supported Kuwait after it was invaded by Saddam Hussein. Americans came to the aid of victims of devastating earthquakes in Pakistan, India, and Iran. Americans responded with urgency and compassion to the wreckage of the tsunami in Indonesia and Sri Lanka and Thailand. We're rallying the world to confront the genocide in Sudan, and deliver humanitarian aid for those in dire need. And we support the establishment of a Palestinian democracy to live side by side with Israel in peace."
Proud? Oh brother...
Posted by: greatcometof1577
at October 5, 2007 10:45 AM
Oh yea and here is what they had for dinner..
Roasted Kabocha Squash Soup
Pumpkin Oil
Crispy Lavash
Spiced Rack of Lamb
Lemon-thyme Jus
Early Autumn Vegetables
Cucumber-Tomato Salad
Minted Yogurt
Baklava with Pomegranate
Mamoul Cookies
What no Turkey? No Chicken? What the hell is pumpkin oil?...I want the dam pie. No wonder these people are so dam angry!
Also note the name: Shirin Tahir-Kheli - Special Assistant to the President and National Security Council Senior Director for Democracy, Human Rights and International Operations. You could have even asked her a question. I doubt they would have posted it however.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/ask/20071004.html
Posted by: greatcometof1577
at October 5, 2007 10:55 AM
I need a Prozac!
Posted by: Pelayo
at October 5, 2007 11:26 AM
When the s**t finally hits the fan and these 'religion of peace' creatures are dealt with, harshly I suppose, George will be remembered for siding with THEM and not Americans. Any good that he ever did for America will be forgotten and he will go down in history in a bad light. After all that has happened, and not happened, George doesn't get it. Perhaps being an 'oil man' and friendly with or influenced by the mid-east oil nations has warped him. It's to bad, but not to late. Hopefully our next President will rectify the situation.
Posted by: countywolf
at October 5, 2007 11:34 AM
Some of your members Robert, won't like what I am going to say here. I speak as a thirty-six year registered Republican:
Ahmadinejad is not the most dangerous man on earth today. George W. Bush is the most dangerous man on earth today.
In the next eighteen or so months in office, should Bush be successful establishing a 23 Muslim terrorist state in the Middle East, in the Holy Land, Bush will have proved himself the best friend ever in the Muslim-Arab world.
Bush is an enemy of the Jewish state. Bush has literally ruined the GOP. America, under Bush, has reached a new low. Mr. Bush has been an unmitigated disaster. I am deeply sorry I ever voted for this compromised man.
Posted by: monk
at October 5, 2007 11:50 AM
Yep Monk, we all wondered if he was using "our own type of taqiyya" for a couple of years. Then we wondered if this was all some sort of "bait and switch".
Finally we have come to the sad conclusion that Bush believes his own BS about islam. He is a globalist who wants the US to become part of some Mexican continent. We have surrendered without a shot being fired.
I heard the talk about groups like the Ford Foundation whose aim it was for the world to have all people make no more money than the Chinese peons....equality for all...equally poor. Looks like it is working out right on time. I know this is JW, but it all ties neatly together.
As a Christian, I see this all as the system being prepared for anti-christ. The world religion will be islam , with it's false prophet.
at October 5, 2007 12:07 PM
I voted for Bush twice and while I don't regret it (what were the alternatives, Gore, Kerry? Puleeeze!), I'm certainly as disapointed as anyone in his inability to recognize and call Islam what it is: a cruel, intolerant cult hell bent on imposing it's will on the world. His persistent defense of Islam has done no good to him or the nation, only the Islamic enemies of the West have benefited. Sadly, too many in our government have echoed GW's nonsense to our detriment.
Posted by: Proud Infidel
at October 5, 2007 12:08 PM
This dinner and speech is a reflection of the same delusional thinking that insists that the way to fight and win a "war on terror" is to "win the hearts and minds of the people."
at October 5, 2007 12:11 PM
monk,
Don't blame Bush. The GOP had many other options in 2000 but the money guys needed a pro-lifer. McCain wasn't their cup of tea. The GOP destroyed itself. They were so long out of power they didn't know how to handle it when they got it. It was intoxicating. They drank and drank and drank......themselves right into irrelevance. They destroyed their (and our) heritage, all in the pursuit of power.
at October 5, 2007 12:12 PM
Bush to terrorists: "You don't represent Muslims, you do not represent Islam"
Terrorists to Bush: Oh yes we do. Read the koran.
at October 5, 2007 12:20 PM
At the page of Shirin Tahir-Kheli, to which a link is given in a posting above, I find only anodyne exchanges (how do you get invited to the dinner, and what does Iftaar mean, and so on), with this Public Face of Islam in Government, the attractive, presumably shalwaz-kameered lady who never is asked about, and of course would never discuss herself, such "unmentionables" as what the Qur'an and Hadith actually say about non-Muslims -- that would be disturbing, that would be impolitic to bring up -- offers again the outrageous news that Bush plans to appoint a representative to the O.I.C. He'd better not. He has done so much damage already, made such a mess with quandering men and money in Tarbaby Iraq and other hideously expensive distractions from the real, the sensible, the intelligent counter-Jihad. We can't take much more of this.
Here is that inquiring-minds-treacly-answer exchange:
Daniel, from Lakeville, CT writes:
Is robust U.S. public diplomacy in the Muslim world being held to improve the image of the States? Thanks.
Shirin Tahir-Kheli
Yes. U.S. outreach is critical to engaging with the Muslim world. We need people to know the respect the U.S. has for all faiths and also the enormous resources we commit to helping the Muslim world.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Shirin Tahir-Kheli
There are so many ways that President Bush has honored people of different faiths. As a Muslim woman, I have seen his support for helping empower women be it in Afghanistan or in Africa from my previous post as Special Assistant to the President. President Bush has gone twice to the Islamic Center in Washington, first in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 to show support for Muslims and to say that Islam is a religion of Peace and that the terrible events of 9/11 were the actions of extremists. The President also went to the Islamic Center this summer to help celebrate its 50th anniversary and announced that he will appoint a Special Envoy to the Organization of the Islamic Conference, an organization with membership of all Muslim countries. Thank you for "Asking the White House"!"
at October 5, 2007 12:31 PM
Proud Infidel,
I'm not sure I agree with you. A deluded self-professed conservative Republican appears to be more dangerous than a loony leftist. The reason being is million of conservative Christians and Evangelicals buy into this phony; this deceiver. He says Christ is his lord and savior and credulous Christians buy into it.
Beyond that, unlike Democrats, Republicans are generally trusted to be strong on defense. Thus many Jews in Israel think this phony Christian cares about the security of the Jewish state because he claims to be a conservative whereas a liberal Democrat would looked at with suspicion.
So Bush is selling Israel out in order to appease our enemies because Bush is one with our enemies. He's not met a jihadist-killer that he did not call 'a man dedicated to peace'. He calls Holocaust denier, Fatah arch-terrorists like Mahmoud Abbas, a "moderate" and a "man dedicated to peace."
Millions of American Christians have bought into this deceiver; this phony. To me, he is a much greater threat than a leftist like Kerry or Gore.
The GOP would have fought Kerry. With Bush, the GOP marches lock step to his tune by and large. The Republicans are a disgrace from the least of them all the way to the greatest of them like Mr. Limbaugh. They are all silent and a disgrace!
Lincoln said: "To sin by silence, when they know they should protest, makes cowards of men."
We have a bunch of coward in the conservative movement. Pusillanimous and cowardly.
Posted by: monk
at October 5, 2007 12:45 PM
Robert --
I just re-read Bush's speech. Am I allowed to swear at this site? Please?
Posted by: Hugh
at October 5, 2007 12:46 PM
Who is Bush trying to kid? Bush will be gone soon, and now we have to worry about his successor. As obtuse as Bush is, I tremble to think how bad it could get with a democrat in the White House.
Posted by: champ
at October 5, 2007 12:52 PM
blah,blah,blah,blah,blah, What are you gonna do, What are you gonna do,when the islamo-facists come for you.
Posted by: GrimReaperxxx
at October 5, 2007 1:08 PM
If Islam is all that wonderful George, why are you NOT a muslim? Or maybe you are...You certainly are not a president, the quicker we get rid of you, and the worthless congress the better...
Posted by: duh_swami
at October 5, 2007 1:53 PM
Bush is truly an imbecile, while his opposition (Goracle, Obomma & the Clitman tart) is a complete fraud.
Bush will go down in history as America's dumbest president, a bigger disaster than Peanut Khadr or Willie clitman before him.
at October 5, 2007 2:02 PM
"You do not represent Islam-" George W. Bush
Yes, George, they DO. Get over it!
Islam teaches first degree murder--and you are among the targets by the way. So are most of the rest of us.
Isn't it time you opened a Kuran and discovered what Islam is all about instead of meaninglessly pontificating about it while at the same time putting us all in danger because your version of Islam is (purely) fictional?
ps--
ATTENTION MONK: The 'loony left' has long been in bed in bed with two mortal enemies of democracy: Communism AND Islam (all three were already in bed together by the late 1950s in a covert drive to undermine democracy and capitalism globally which they are finally succeeding at doing) thus they would appear to be the more dangerous.
The Republicans are not at least beholden to any ideological movements that are responsible for the massacres of hundreds of millions of innocent people as both Communism and Islam each are (and utterly without remorse).
So it looks to me like you lose. (Look at western Europe today --this is what a leftist-controlled future looks like; you can keep it).
Posted by: pythagoras
at October 5, 2007 2:02 PM
I have to disagree with you monk. I believe Gore or Kerry would have done a lot more damage to our nation had they been elected. At least Bush gave us tax cuts and other measures. He hasn't been the total disaster you make him out to be. I can only imagine how much worst off we'd be if the Goracle or Kerry had won their elections.
And Limbaugh has always pointed out his disagreements with Bush on immigration and other issues. As a Limbaugh listener I assure you Rush hasn't been silent. He's remained a conservative, not a GOP shill.
Yes, Bush and GOP have left a lot, and I mean a LOT to be desired from my conservative point of view. The GOP had the power and the chance to act as true conservatives and did not. I'm disappointed for sure. But when I look at the alternatives the Democrats offer, what they stand for and who's pulling their strings, I'll continue to hold my nose and vote GOP just to keep those moonbats out of office. I don't like voting against somebody instead of for somebody, but I'll continue to do it as long as the Democrats remain this insane.
Posted by: Proud Infidel
at October 5, 2007 2:17 PM
Dear Pythagoras,
You write: "The 'loony left' has long been in bed in bed with two mortal enemies of democracy: Communism AND Islam (all three were already in bed together by the late 1950s in a covert drive to undermine democracy and capitalism globally which they are finally succeeding at doing) thus they would appear to be the more dangerous."
Do we live in a democracy? I thought we were given a Republic. No wonder we are in this mess. You believe America's founders gave us this tyranny of the masses? I cannot imagine a leftist more sympathetic to the jihadists (especially the Saudi jihadists) than Mr. Bush. Neither can I contemplate a leftist who is more sympathetic to our jihadist enemies than is Mr. Bush. Leftist have an excuse because the left is the left. Conservatives are not supposed to buy into these grandiose visions and Utopian schemes Bush buys into.
Conservatives learn the hard lessons of history. Lessons learned often at great cost. Conservatives have a love of history. Does Mr. Bush have ANY appreciation of history? Does he have any historical perspective? Do you pythagoras? Does Mr. Bush know about Neville Chamberlain? How he and his govenment appeased the Nazis just as Bush is appeasing our enemies?
You wrote: "The Republicans are not at least beholden to any ideological movements that are responsible for the massacres of hundreds of millions of innocent people..... (Look at western Europe today --this is what a leftist-controlled future looks like; you can keep it)."
I'm not so sure. Perhaps the GOP has evolved over the years. As I wrote, I am a thirty six year registered (conservative) Republican. I've been doing a little reading about the nineteen thirties, Henry Ford, Charles Lindbergh, Father Coughlin and other isolationist-conservatives of this sort. These men were not on the left but the right. At that time, it was Republican party by and large and Republican lawmakers who were more (in in many cases exceedingly) sympathetic to Nazism and fascism than was the left. In large part, Republicans and conservatives (Pat Buchanan would be a good contemporary example) believed fascism and Nazism was a valuable ally in our war against Communism.
Seems to me the Nazis were responsible for the massacres of at least tens of millions of innocent people, including six million Jews; millions of Gypsies, homosexuals, Slavs and other "subhumans."
Beyond that, unlike Europe, America still has a fairly vibrant conservative movement. Neither is Christianity dead here in the US unlike much of Europe. My guess is conservatives will not roll over and play dead with the left at the helm as they've reprehensibly done with Mr. Bush at the helm. Again, today's Republican leadership is an outright disgrace.
Sorry pythagoras. You are a Republican party apologist. I know. We have several.
Posted by: monk
at October 5, 2007 2:30 PM
Proud Infidel,
Let me preface this by saying, I am speaking as a Jew and a bit of an amateur historian of sorts.
One of the more interesting historical eras was the era of the Third Reich and how the great nations dealt with its rise.
We know, like much of Islam today, early into his reign Hitler was no match for England and France, much less the Soviet Union and America.
Like Islam, Hitler needed time to acquire arms and to build his military machine. Then it was tanks, planes, rifles and other military equipment. Today it is weapons of mass destruction.
Hitler knew the powers in his day, particularly England and France, had weak, pusillanimous leaders like the Iranian president rightly pegs Mr. Bush. Don't fool yourself, Bush is a weak little man at the helm of a very powerful military, commercial and industial power. Only Bush is so compromised and so corrupted by his and his family's long standing relationship with the Saudi Royal Family jihadists, Bush is afraid to exercise American military power.
Like Hitler, Ahmadinejad is buying time and gaining legitimacy. With Hitler it was the 1936 Olympics in Germany and American hero, Charles Lindbergh's many visits. Ahmadinejad was just invited to a prestigious University.
Then there was the Munich appeasement, whereby England and France hoped to buy off the Furher by sacrificing tiny Czecholovakia to the Nazis. We know what that achieved, don't we Proud Infidel?
Well, Bush is doing much the same thing by sacrificing Israel to the jihadists. Some people believe Bush is a friend of Israel's. I believe he is an enemy of Israel's. To me as a Jew, Bush is a vicious enemy of the Jewish state. Now unlike Czech's Benes, Bush has his traitorous puppet prime minister in Jerusalem to do his bidding but don't think for a minute what Bush is doing is moral or right.
It is downright evil, contemptible and pusillanimous. Mark my word, should Bush and Rice be successful in Maryland this November, it will only be a matter of time before there is a huge massacre in Israel by the Muslim jihadists. Bush will leave Israel defenseless strategically.
This is criminal Proud Infidel. I believe in the heavenly books (those up in heaven) Bush will go down in history as the criminal that betrayed Israel, our only ally in the Middle East.
Posted by: monk
at October 5, 2007 2:50 PM
"....today's Republican leadership is an outright disgrace".
True -- but one thing we need to be clear on: putting a democrat in the Oval Office is NOT the solution.
Posted by: champ
at October 5, 2007 2:50 PM
I voted for President Bush twice and continue to like him as a man. I certainly don't think he's an idiot and find such an assessment of him wildly inaccurate. Actually, he's a pretty shrewd guy in my opinion but he's clinging to a notion I simply have no sympathy for and that is that Islam is a great and noble religion and it's a shame that it has been hijacked by extremists. This simply is not true. If you're a Muslim and you're not an extremist by Western standards, you're not a good Muslim.
Unfortunately, many fine people in this country still buy into the theory that Islam itself is not the problem but rather it's some of its practitioners which is. Daniel Pipes, who has done much constructive work both before and after 9/11 to warn his fellow Americans of the dangers posed to us by radical Muslims, is a good example here of such an individual. Like Bush he still believes there is a good Islam lurking out there somewhere. I think such folks as the President and Dr. Pipes, good people though they are, are deeply mistaken.
So, where do we go from here? Almost no one in either party knows and is prepared to say openly what so many of us who post here already realize about Islam, that it is rotten to the core. Tom Tancredo is one of the few polticians who has courageously spoken out on this matter, but while he has the right message, it is obivious to me that he is not the right messenger. We need a great communicator like FDR or Ronald Reagan to articulate the many dangers that Islam, all of Islam, poses to the American Republic and to Western Civilization. That person has not appeared yet. We will need that person soon.
Posted by: Wellington
at October 5, 2007 3:12 PM
You're right Wellington, Mr. Bush is no idiot.
Posted by: monk
at October 5, 2007 3:14 PM
I voted for President Bush twice and continue to like him as a man.
--posted Wellington
If you met me, you might think I was a nice guy; you might like me as a man.
Does that mean I am qualified for the job of President of The United States of America?
Honestly, whether or not Bush is "nice" or "friendly" or whatever matters not a bit. He cannot speak because he cannot think. When asked about casualties arising from an Iraqi invasion he managed to say: "Maybe there will be no casualites."
Sure George, the first war in history without casualties.
Similarly, George Almighty Bush was so confident of God's special grace that he slept and bicycled while New Orleans flooded. (God so loved George Bush that He would never...)
Oh yes, George Almighty Bush is a modern-day Nero.
GB was too lazy to bother himself with selecting a second candidate for Supreme Court justice because finding and promoting Roberts so exhausted his limited attention span. So he threw up one of his legal secretaries for the job, Harriet Maiers. It's an insult! (I guess he figured, "If I can be President of the USA, Harriet Maiers can be a Supreme Court justice.)
You might like the guy, Wellington (and evidently his tailor thinks he's the "nicest" of all the presidents he's made suits for) but it cannot excuse incompetence.
George Bush is a self-serving ass clown. I knew it the first time I heard him open his mouth.
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2
at October 5, 2007 4:14 PM
Sure -- there is a long list of negatives that can be leveled against our President; but on the positive side of the ledger Bush will long be remembered as the President who brought down Saddam Hussein and who allowed this evil dictator to be brought to justice.
And don't tell me that this mad-man was not a threat to the US! Look at what Saddam did to his OWN people and then threatened to do to us! We could have taken Saddam at his word, or gone in and flushed him out. Bush has MANY flaws, but he did get rid of that dictator once and for all! How soon we forget how much Saddam Hussein used to threaten us -- but I won't forget.
Posted by: champ
at October 5, 2007 4:30 PM
Given the way he's bent over backwards and inserted his head in his hineys so deep that he can now see out of his mouth, one thing can be said - Bush does represent Muslims, and he does represent Islam.
Posted by: Infidel Pride
at October 5, 2007 4:41 PM
Sure -- there is a long list of negatives that can be leveled against our President; but on the positive side of the ledger Bush will long be remembered as the President who brought down Saddam Hussein and who allowed this evil dictator to be brought to justice.
--posted by Champ
Not!
George Bush will be remembered as the President who brought down the wrong enemy (Iraq) allowing the much greater menace, Iran, to act with impunity and build up a strategic nuclear capacity used eventually with catastrophic effects on Israel.
George Bush will be remembered as the President who fell hook line and sinker for Osama Bin Laden's trap by invading Afghanistan and Iraq, both of which will turn out to be grave strategic errors for America, for the region, and for all of America's allies.
Saddam Hussein was putty in our hands. If I had been President, I would have eaten popcorn with the guy while rewatching Godfather DVDS in my White House Theatre. Before he left, I'd have made sure he had everything he needed to start another 15-year war against Iran.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend. But such a concept is incomprehensible to the Idiot-in-Chief. I saw footage of GB trying to say: "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me."
Here's what he said:
"Fool me once, shame on me...er...shame on you...uhm...what I was saying was..."
And that's OUR PRESIDENT?
Wall + Head = Banging!
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2
at October 5, 2007 4:57 PM
All:
I just wrote and email to the White House on how misguided the President is on the subject. Maybe if all of you would do the same. Here is the address;
comments@whitehouse.gov
I know they get thousands but every little bit helps. Many here write some inspiring things. Maybe, just maybe one will get through. I know a few months ago when there was a big stink about the war in Iraq. I read that the government had been swamped with emails and that it had change the outcome.
Jeremiah 8:11
They have healed the wound of my people lightly, saying, 'Peace, peace,' when there is no peace.
إرميا 8:11
فقد تبرأ الجرح شعبي باستخفاف ، وقال : 'السلام ، السلام ، وعندما لا يوجد سلام
at October 5, 2007 5:08 PM
@Im.mad.as.HELL!
I've sent a passel of letters to that moron.
@tgusa
I'm not blaming Bush for the flood that hit New Orleans. I'm just pointing out that he slept and bicycled through it because in his delusional mind, God would never, never do such a terrible thing as flood the levees of New Orleans when George Almighty Bush was on the watch.
Similarly, God would protect him during his invasion of Iraq and maybe "there will be no casualties." (He said that on tape and I've seen and heard it with my own ears).
What about his nomination of Harriet Maiers?
How bout them yankee dollars?
How do you like the price of gas? You don't? Well, get used to it. The government printing presses are running full time to finance the Chinese for buying our dept.
Another 150 Billion this year to bring peace, justice, human rights, democracy, civility to Iraq and Afghanistan????
What about that 5 trillion dollar surplus George Bush promised for 2005.
What? Didn't happen?
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2
at October 5, 2007 5:12 PM
I find it hard to Fathom any President telling Islam to F-off during their(Allah knows how many) Holy Holidays. Without having the Nation on a full war footing.
Keeping the Slow Jihad at bay while dealing as best as Politics will allow confronting the Fast Jihad is not easy.
Posted by: flowerknife_us
at October 5, 2007 5:36 PM
"Bush said the United States has supported Muslims seeking liberty in Iraq, Afghanistan and Lebanon"
Is that what they're seeking, Mr. Bush? You'd better think again.
Posted by: rational
at October 5, 2007 5:43 PM
President Bush, where have you been the last 6 years? The terrorists practice pure Islam!
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106
at October 5, 2007 6:14 PM
Surely you agree that incompetents such as we have seen deserve their own stages.
--posted by tgusa
Yes, agreed!
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2
at October 5, 2007 7:00 PM
New U.S. military leaders question Iraq mission
WASHINGTON — Four and a half years after the nation's top military leaders saluted and fell in behind President Bush 's pre-emptive invasion of Iraq , their replacements are beginning to question the mission and sound alarms about the toll the war is taking on the Army and the Marine Corps .
The change at the Pentagon is striking but little-noticed, in part because Defense Secretary Robert Gates , a longtime veteran of the CIA, is quiet where his predecessor Donald H. Rumsfeld was not.
"It's part of a sea change," said Loren Thompson , a military analyst at the Lexington Institute , a national-security research center in Washington . "The ideologues have been replaced by managers who view Iraq not as a cause, but a problem to be solved."
Gates, Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Michael Mullen , Deputy Defense Secretary Gordon England , Undersecretary for Intelligence Gen. James Clapper and other top officials also are concerned that the war may be crippling the military's ability to respond to other crises. They have allies in the congressional Democratic leadership— particularly House Armed Services Committee Chairman Rep. Ike Skelton of Missouri — who've been speaking out about that for months.
"I'm convinced we are in serious trouble readiness-wise," Skelton said this week in an interview with McClatchy Newspapers . "Am I worried? I'm worried to death."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20071004bcusiraqpentagon_attn_national_foreign_editors_ytop
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2
at October 5, 2007 7:02 PM
This is really, really scary. I'm less and less afraid for Serbia because Putin has put his foot down (God bless him and Russia) but US and Israel are in peril. Instead of working (in US interest) to shut off Saudi money supply (cheap power, hybrid cars, ...), he's working for them and against his own country. It looks like Iran is totally off the hook and on their merry way to the nuclear weapons (Pakistan already has them).
Impeach him now and Republican party is in trouble for the next election. Don't impeach him and hope he doesn't do anything completely insane the next 16 months. Talk about being stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Oh, and I don't think he represents the majority of Americans any more as far as I can tell by latest polls.
Posted by: SerbInfidel
at October 5, 2007 7:16 PM
Ynkedoodl2: Well don't hold back concerning what you feel about George W. Bush. Go ahead and give it to me straight. I can take it. Look, you can despise him and that's OK with me but I give him some credit for keeping us safe here at home since 9/11 and his tax cuts spurred the economy, of this I have no doubt. Yes, he has spent too much, was wrong on the immigration bill earlier this year and shouldn't have signed a number of bills, for instance McCain-Feingold, but I not only like the guy but think he's quite intelligent. He stumbles over words at times? So what? So did George Washington, which led John Adams, Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson to make fun of him behind his back and question his intelligence. They got that wrong big time as did scores of people during the 1950s when Eisenhower was President, talked in gobbledygook and was seen as a nice, but not too bright, favorite uncle kind of guy. Ike we now know was as clever as they come. As for Katrina, the blame for that lies primarily with Governor Blanco and Mayor Ray Nagin. Also with scores of people who refused to heed the warnings to get the hell out of the way. I find that those who blame Bush first and foremost for Katrina are way too inclined to rely upon government for most every problem life confronts them with.
Let me say this, though. I have a suspicion that a lot of politicians deep in their heart have begun to realize that Islam really sucks but don't know how to say that yet publicly. I think George Bush may be among them and what he's doing and saying where Islam is concerned is for show. If I'm correct, Bush and many others have made a calculation, an incorrect one I would argue, that playing footsy with Islam for the time being is the only way to go. If I'm even half right here, then being the cautious optimist I am I see this as a important stepping stone to eventually calling out Islam for what it really is. Just imagine if you were a major elected official today. How viable would you remain if you said about Islam what you write about it here? All part of the reason why Islam is such a potent enemy of America I would contend. It's so damn difficult to take on directly, at least for now. I do hope, though, that this will soon change.
Hey, no hard feelings I hope. We're on the same page where Islam is concerned and so we're just debating strategy. I can live with that.
Posted by: Wellington
at October 5, 2007 7:18 PM
SerbInfidel: I wouldn't praise Putin. The guy's real cozy with Hezbollah, Syria and keeps making excuses for Iran, not to mention supplying the Persians with way too much technology. He's shutting down liberties in Russia, helping to prove the old saying that the Russians have a real problem with freedom. He has threatened major European cities with Russian nuclear missiles because America wants to put in a limited, and I mean limited, defense shield in the Czech Republic and a handful of interceptor missiles in Poland, all of which pose absolutely zero threat to Russia's huge nuclear arsenal. In Zhironovsky-like fashion, he's claiming the North Pole region for Russia and he's had Russian jets provocatively test Alsakan air space some seven times since mid-July. I would contend that Putin is an authoritarian who should be treated quite suspiciously henceforth by the West, that he's a control freak (see his recent Machiavellian machinations to hang on to power via the prime minister's office) and is to a large degree on the wrong side of history in the West's struggle to the death between radical Islam and freedom. You can keep Putin. I'm sick of him.
Posted by: Wellington
at October 5, 2007 8:16 PM
Bush is not the least bit stupid, he's a man with a plan...The problem is, that he is the only one who knows what it is. Rove and Rumsfield quit because Geo would not tell them the 'plan'. I bet his sweetheart rhetoric toward muslims, confuses even them. Do you really think they trust this pork eating kuffar who is responsible for many dead muslims? He can pray at the mosque every day, and the attendant muslims will keep one eye on him, and the other on their sword.
Yes, Bush has a plan, and a good one. He will reveal it at the right psychological moment. No one, not even the Angels, knows when that moment is, only the father above knows, and Allah ain't telling anyone...
at October 5, 2007 8:30 PM
Question to Mr. Bush: Please define islam.
Posted by: 2and2is5
at October 5, 2007 9:58 PM
Bush must be trying to convince Muslims that they don't really see what they see in their sacred text. But he's come to the propaganda war too late and without the necessary rhetorical weapons. What should be our strongest weapon in the propaganda war, Hollywood, doesn't seem to get it. Worse yet, some are actually rooting for the enemy.
After watching samples of the NAZI-like propaganda spreading through the Middle East, fed to everyone from the youngest children (it's not "Mister Rodgers") to adults (while our "adults" watch "Will and Grace"), after watching the frenzies Muslims are so easily whipped into, I think we are at least a couple of decades too late to settle this with reason and propaganda. The adolescent male Islam-jihad-martyrdom-sex philosophy has too much momentum to be stopped by words and reason; and it is continuously fueled by that enormous propaganda machine that is Islam. Too many Muslims with too much philosophical momentum, too much confidence, and too much will. And our olive branches are seen as white flags. They will have to be shocked to their senses, if they have any, as will we.
at October 5, 2007 10:19 PM
Opps, wrong Neighborhood... it should have been "Mister Rogers" not "Mister Rodgers".
Posted by: RalphInfidel
at October 5, 2007 10:25 PM
I'll bet he whistles past graveyards, too.
His Scottish Terriers (who are considered 'unclean' by his Muslim guests) know Islam better than GWB does.
Give me dogs, keep the Mohammedans.
Posted by: profitsbeard
at October 5, 2007 10:44 PM
Mr.Hugh and the jihad watch faithful please tell me who said these quote?
"I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved -- the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!"
"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution."
"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my church. "
1)John Adams
2)James Madison
3)Thomas Payne
We needed Robert and company in those days to teach these "ignorant" men the truth. Don't you agree?
Posted by: eessaa
at October 5, 2007 10:50 PM
From an article by Mark Silva, which includes statements that Bush made to an Arab interviewer for Al-Arabiya, given the day after his infamous Iftaar Dinner:
"Touting his Iftaar Dinner last night for an evening breaking of the Ramadan fast, Bush refuted any notion in this interview intended for Arab home viewing that he is out to destroy Islam.
'I've heard that, and it just shows (sic) to show a couple of things: One, that the radicals have done a good job of propagandizing. In other words, they've spread the word that this really isn't peaceful people versus radical people or terrorists, this is really about the America not liking Islam.
'Well, first of all, I believe in an almighty God, and I believe that all the world, whether they be Muslim, Christian, or any other religion, prays to the same God,’’ he said. “I believe that Islam is a great religion that preaches peace. And I believe people who murder the innocent to achieve political objectives aren't religious people.
'I want to remind your listeners that one of the first things I did after September the 11th is I went to the local mosque. And I did because I wanted to send a message that those who came to kill Americans were young terrorists, and they do not reflect the views of the vast majority of peaceful people in the Middle East.'"
How much more evidence of Bush's confusion and ignorance and irremediable stupidity does one need?
at October 5, 2007 10:55 PM
Wellington
"Just imagine if you were a major elected official today. How viable would you remain if you said about Islam what you write about it here?"
That is what separates G.W. Bush and Bill Clinton from Lincoln and Washington...
It is called being a leader. The trouble as I see it is we have politicians not leaders. A leader is one who puts the truth and greater good of the nation ahead of party. If he has truth backing him up he will in the end win no matter what the critics say. The reason why Iraq has failed and the reason why Bush has failed is he based all of his planning on false notions. Islam is not like other religions but instead is a political system that challenges our own political system in same way communism did. Did an American president visit the communist party headquarters in America during the cold war and say this is a “system of peace”? The answer is no. However this president is doing that by visiting this mosque in D.C. and going to this dinner and by always referring to Islam as a religion of peace. It is the same in my book.
If I was an elected leader I would speak the truth about Islam (and made sure I surrounded my self with people who knew what the hell they were talking about to advise me on the finer points). I would be loud and clear and would make sure I was on the front pages of every newspaper for what I said with every pundit slamming me for being an Islamophobe. I would be very happy for in the short term it would hurt me but in the long term I would be in good shape. Those that speak out now will be the leaders of tomorrow. Muslims continue to push and to attack and the non-muslims will get sick of it and say “Remember the guy who screaming about Islam…you know the one in the papers or on the internet, maybe he was right…”. Lincoln and Churchill lost their initial battles but in the end they became the stuff of legends.
So what is it you want to be….A Bush or Lincoln!
Posted by: greatcometof1577
at October 5, 2007 11:00 PM
eessaa-
You forgot to mention these thinkers' ideas about Islam.
Look them up. It's instructive reading.
Meanwhile, when Christianity begins suicide bombing and hanging homosexuals and stoning women and calling for the death of those who leave its religion, call me.
All creeds, even those that preach Love, have had heinous periods throughout their histories, because of their flawed believers.
However, Christians are dangerous when they do not follow their faith, Muslims are dangerous when they do.
Posted by: profitsbeard
at October 5, 2007 11:08 PM
eessaa
Those men disliked Islam. You know why?
Islam unlike all the other religions is a political system that wishes to destroy secular rule, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, individualism and free enterprise.
I don’t give a rat’s ass what they thought about Christianity because that is like comparing apples to oranges. Christianity is a religion….Islam is a totalitarian political system and a complete way of life.
Thus those fine gentlemen wherever they are must nod their head in approval for the brave patriots who run this site. They would never support a totalitarian political theocracy like Islam.
at October 5, 2007 11:16 PM
eessaa,
Yes, they did say those things, and they fought a war of independence to free the country from tyranny, including religious tyranny, that had no footing in Christian texts. Shortly thereafter they fought our first war against Islamic jihadists in the Barbary Coast. So, why in hell would invite a more virulent religious tyranny to our shores... it ain't gonna happen. Whether or current president gets it or not.
Since you like quotes, here's one of my favorites:
"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science - the science against which it had vainly struggled - the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome."
Winston Churchill
at October 5, 2007 11:20 PM
eessaa...Mr.Hugh and the jihad watch faithful please tell me who said these quote?
Did Robert or Hugh give eessaa permission to come here and give tests?
Posted by: duh_swami
at October 5, 2007 11:47 PM
esessaa,
Helllro, did I say Winston Churchill was a founding "member" of this country?
Oh, and respect, you must mean the great "respect" Islam is showing those countries as we speak. Wait... I think I can hear the explosions and the cries of "Allah Akbar".
Thank you Winston for your thoughtful insight and common sense, I only wish our own leaders would display the same.
Posted by: RalphInfidel
at October 5, 2007 11:49 PM
I tend to think Bush does not get it. I will site this example. He completely black balled Arafat because he was convinced that he was bad news and he was. If he believed that Islam was the enemy he would not had them over for dinner. So like I have said before, Bush has a mind like a steel trap. Once he has made up his mind he does not change it easily. I hope I am wrong but I still post him monthly about my views and who the enemy is.
Proverbs 8:33
Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not.
امثال 8:33
اسمع الأمر ، والحكمة ، وليس رفضه
at October 5, 2007 11:50 PM
From the Pakistani newspaper "Dawn":
US supports Palestinian democracy, says Bush
By Our Correspondent
WASHINGTON, Oct 5: US President George Bush has assured the Muslims that his country supports the establishment of a Palestinian democracy and wants to work with them to defeat terrorism.
Speaking at the White House’s annual iftar-dinner, Mr Bush told around 90 guests that the US had supported the Muslims seeking liberty in Iraq, Afghanistan and Lebanon and stood with the Muslims across the world facing hardship. “And we support the establishment of a Palestinian democracy to live side by side with Israel in peace,” he declared.
Mr Bush said that violent extremists did not represent Islam. “Today, our world is at war with violent extremists who seek to tear the fabric of our society -- and stop the advance of freedom in Muslim societies around the world,” he said.“They attack holy sites, destroy mosques and minarets and kill innocent men, women and children -- including the Muslims who do not share their radical views. They believe that by spreading chaos and violence they can frustrate the desire of the Muslims to live in freedom and peace. We say to them, you don’t represent the Muslims, you do not represent Islam -- and you will not succeed,” he added.
Mr Bush said the Americans had a ‘proud history’ of standing with the Muslims facing suffering and hardship. “Our country defended the Muslims in Bosnia and Kosovo after the break-up of Yugoslavia. We supported Kuwait after it was invaded by Saddam Hussein. Americans came to the aid of victims of devastating earthquakes in Pakistan, India and Iran. Americans responded with urgency and compassion to the wreckage of the tsunami in Indonesia and Sri Lanka and Thailand.”
Posted by: Hugh
at October 6, 2007 12:54 AM
Wellington, I agree Russian foreign policy is completely wrong as far as Middle East is concerned. If Putin's really supporting Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran, he's dumb, for lack of a better word. As far as the North Pole business goes, I couldn't care less. If he finds oil up there, all the better. It might drive the price down which means less money for the Saudis. Missile shield is targeting Russia, not Middle East. But they're not anti-Western and won't fire any missiles so what's the point for it? It's looking very sinister to them.
Posted by: SerbInfidel
at October 6, 2007 1:03 AM
I am just plain happy 2008 is not that far away.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at October 5, 2007 8:53 AM
In the mean time, Bush sells off the very people who elected him and the very country he and his family live off-of. Who knew that Bush would fight Americans on behalf of criminals? One day, Americans will wake up to the fact that, under their very nose, their very president/commander-in-chief, protected terrorists, ironically, making those terrorists, allies against terror. You see, then it becomes easy to arm them, increase visas and in general, to sell-out honest, hard-working and tax-paying Americans to his rich wahhabbi friends. And guess what, even after this blatant treason, the best Americans came up with was to wait until 2008. Isn't American stupidity great?
Posted by: Alert
at October 6, 2007 1:22 AM
greatcometof 1577: I am very much in sympathy with what you write. I like to think there is no one out there who has a lower opinion of Islam than myself. There is nothing I despise more than Islam, a few things like Nazism and Marxism just as much perhaps, but nothing more. I would, however, make these two observations. Bush and Clinton are no Lincoln or Washington to be sure, but then who is? The latter two are the two greatest Americans ever and easily belong among the greatest men of the earth for all time (so does Churchill). Second, at least Washington and Lincoln lived in times that were spared the twin inanities of political correctness and multiculturalism. That's why it will take an extra special politician with great communication skills to lead the American people to a place where many of them don't yet know they have to go. To wit, that Islam is as invidious as fascism and Communism were to democracy and the Western traditions of tolerance and progress. It will be deuce difficult to do this precisely because Islam is a religion and Western folks most everywhere are inclined to give any religion the benefit of the doubt (except Christianity in certain areas of the Western world like Hollywood, university settings and major media outlets). See anybody on the horizon who can do this yet? I don't. Meanwhile, Bush, with all of his limitations, is about the best we have. If you disagree with me here, who out there now would be more effective as President than Bush? Giuliani, perhaps, but even he is not the person I alluded to above whom we need so badly in the near future. You have anyone in mind? Please don't say Tom Tancredo or I will know you are not a serious thinker. As I've posted before, Tancredo is a good guy with the right message but he is most definitely not the right messenger. So who?
Posted by: Wellington
at October 6, 2007 1:22 AM
The trouble as I see it is we have politicians not leaders.
Posted by: greatcometof1577 at October 5, 2007 11:00 PM
In Bush's case, it is even worse. Bush was a corrupt dope-smoking, AWOL, spoilt rich kid raised by mexican nannies on wahhabbi wealth. Americans were either bought by Bush family wealth or just ignorant about their president/commander-in-chief. Like every oversight, this one comes with a price. Anyone care to comprehend the price of electing GWB?
Posted by: Alert
at October 6, 2007 1:35 AM
SerbInfidel: Hello again. The crap Putin is spewing about the North Pole region belonging to Russia is important because it is in violation of virtually every international norm of behavior and utterly ridiculous as well. Hell, what's next? A claim to the Antarctic because a penisula runs under the Pacific from Kamchatka down to the South Pole? It tends to make a mockery of legitimate claims worldwide. My God, even Canada is mad at Russia. When Canada, docile as it is, gets angry with any nation other than the United States (which is par for the course up in Canada and constitutues about a 1/4 of their entire foreign policy as is the same with most every Latin American nation), you know something is amiss. And you are just plain wrong when you say the missile shield is targeting Russia. That's nonsense. It's meant to pull down a rogue missile or two that might be fired by Iran or another butthole nation out there. It's ridiculous to maintain, as the Russians do, that it represents a threat to their multi-thousand based strategic and tactical arsenal. To the extent that the Russians actually think it does, then to that extent the stereotype of Russia as paranoid and xenophobic is proved accurate. Time for Russia to come into the real world.
Posted by: Wellington
at October 6, 2007 1:45 AM
Bush is an enemy of the Jewish state. Bush has literally ruined the GOP. America, under Bush, has reached a new low. Mr. Bush has been an unmitigated disaster. I am deeply sorry I ever voted for this compromised man.
Posted by: monk at October 5, 2007 11:50 AM
Now, this comes close to understanding and seeing the real Bush. In reality, the sell-out started with his dad, but this is close enough. After having made the mistake of voting Bush to white house, Americans can correct that mistake by voting patriotic statesman, Tom Tancredo: http://www.teamtancredo.typepad.com
Else, will come a time to regret 'why did I vote for Hillary/Obama/Rudy....'
Posted by: Alert
at October 6, 2007 1:50 AM
memo to Bush: "You don't represent the American People."
Posted by: 2and2is5
at October 6, 2007 2:00 AM
t looks like Iran is totally off the hook and on their merry way to the nuclear weapons (Pakistan already has them).
[...]
Posted by: SerbInfidel
And Barack HUSSEIN Obama has pledged to get rid of ours. Talk about a Manchurian Candidate!
at October 6, 2007 2:07 AM
Idiot or conniving scoundrel? I respect the office, not always the man who happens to be holding that office.
Then, there of course the well-known and publicly flounted Saudi connection. A man catering to his "friends and allies" cannot be faulted--or can he?
A nation of the befuddled, led by a half-wit, represented by the self-serving who are only interested in retaining the power and prestige of elected office, no matter what it will cost the befuddled.
Posted by: unicorns62000
at October 6, 2007 3:37 AM
"And we support the establishment of a Palestinian democracy to live side by side with Israel in peace."
He really said that !
He doesn't quite get this reality-thing-a-me-jig-thingy does he.
Posted by: ewha1
at October 6, 2007 6:14 AM
"Bush is doing much the same thing by sacrificing Israel to the jihadists. Some people believe Bush is a friend of Israel's. I believe he is an enemy of Israel's. To me as a Jew, Bush is a vicious enemy of the Jewish state." Posted by: monk
To me, every statement about the Middle East that comes out of Condi Rice's mouth confirms this impression.
Posted by: Josephine
at October 6, 2007 10:20 AM
"How much more evidence of Bush's confusion and ignorance and irremediable stupidity does one need?" Posted by: Hugh
I'd love to see the President's phone records from 9/11 and 9/12.
How much time passed after the first plane hit before he took the first call from an Islamic spokesman? Or did his office reach out to them? If so, how did they know who to call?
Who fed him the "Islam is peace" line and told him of the urgent need to visit a mosque, reassure all of those "frightened" Muslims and placate the angry mobs of "Islamophobes"?
It's like a scene from a science fiction movie. "They got to him first."
Posted by: Josephine
at October 6, 2007 10:40 AM
Wellington you said...
"Meanwhile, Bush, with all of his limitations, is about the best we have. If you disagree with me here, who out there now would be more effective as President than Bush? Giuliani, perhaps, but even he is not the person I alluded to above whom we need so badly in the near future. You have anyone in mind? Please don't say Tom Tancredo or I will know you are not a serious thinker. As I've posted before, Tancredo is a good guy with the right message but he is most definitely not the right messenger. So who?"
Giuliani is superior to Bush. I can say that without any doubt. Even though he is clueless about islam also he at least hates the Arabians and the Arabians hate him. At least with him as president we can kiss those jokers good bye and start to work on our energy problem in house (which can be done as pointed out by many many many others). Let the rest of the world figure out how to get the oil out of that hell hole and spend billions and billions to protect the oil lanes. Until you can cut those oil ties we will never get the upper hand in this war. Without the oil money and the military protection from the U.S. the Arabians will run out of money to fund the jihad. Without the cash the door to muslim immigrants will be shut because they won't be able to bribe there way in by paying off stupid political leaders in the west like the current congress and the current president. Forget political parties and just look at who is getting paid and by who. I don't trust anyone who is getting cash from Arabian nations or is in business deals with Arabians nations.
No cash, no entry...
Thus we win the war....or close enough to calling it a victory. We will at least save the west.
at October 6, 2007 11:22 AM
greatcometof1577: Thanks for your reply. Well, I noticed you didn't name anybody who could lead this nation through the crisis we are now in (i.e., a war to the death between radical Islam and the West). I don't see anybody out there as of now who has the knowledge that Islam is bad news through and through AND who has the political and rhetorical skill to win a national election and lead the American people in this struggle. No one as of yet. As I have posted before, we will need such a person soon.
As for the sea lanes to Middle Eastern oil and our abandoning them, I'd like to be there with you when you tell that to the representatives of the second largest economy on earth, Japan, that, hey, sure you don't have any oil reserves of your own, but that's not our problem anymore; fend for yourselves. Yep, that would be a Kodak moment and I'd like to be there. I must say I do get a sense from many who post here, sincere though they are and certainly correct about the invidiousness of Islam, that the byzantine complications presented by geopolitics are a little too easily solved by them, leaving me doubtful that a transfer from theory to reality would work as smoothly as many feel it would. Quite frankly, it is here that I think President Bush is a supreme realist and thus underappreciated. He understands the complications of the world quite well I would argue. Trouble is we need someone who can go beyond "mere" realism and who can skillflly implement a supreme idealism respecting the superiority of Western Civilization over Islamic society (sorry, I can't quite bring myself to call the Islamic world a "civilization"). In short, an Abraham Lincoln type. I wonder if there is someone out there like that. I sure hope so. In any case, my best to you and yours.
Posted by: Wellington
at October 6, 2007 1:41 PM
Ce n'est pas magnifique, et ce n'est pas la guerre.
Posted by: Hugh
at October 7, 2007 12:50 AM
Thank you Tgusa, for pointing out the incompetence which exists in Louisiana,as if no one knew. Funny thing is I don't remember bitching toward anyone for the sorry state of affairs. I remember rebuilding my life starting with my home,which has been in my family for six generations. I do vividly recall identifing my grandfather's body, who,amongst others,"drowned like rats." Who the living fuck are you anyway??????? Here's a better idea, why don't we here in our unenlightened ignorance just succeed from the union along with all that oil and natural gas and that invaluable Mississippi Gulf outlet to middle America(what was Iberville thinking anyway?) and you fucking California intellectuals can be free from the whining of politicians who represent only their own interests and not the will of their constituents. Hope you enjoy paying $12 for every $4 you used to spend. Best break you had today was not finding yourself before me whilst uttering such crap. This site is still about Jihad ideology?
Posted by: We need G.C. Scott
at October 7, 2007 5:45 AM
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