I say, send them to their "angels".

They may be surprised to find that they have horns, leathery skin, and pointed tails.

But, hey, the Jihad is full if surprises.

Posted by: profitsbeard at October 7, 2007 9:56 AM

These three are examples of 'good muslims'. They never give up, they never repent. Being a jihadist means you never have to say you are sorry. In fact, elation, a sense of a job well done, and Allah's approval, goes with them to the gallows. It is probably better not to execute these perverts, by giving them what they want. Instead let them live to a ripe old age, living in a pig sty. The 'life penalty', also called, 'living with the pigs'.
Just contemplating that, is enough to fracture a muslims delicate mentality. The death penalty is supposed to be the ultimate punishment, but for 'good' muslims it is not. Rather than punishment, it is a reward for the valient jihadi. The ultimate punishment for a jihadist is to wreck his chances of getting to Allah's Paradise. A means to do it is the ultimate weapon against jihad. There are not too many ways to do that, 'lard wars' or the threat of lard wars, is just one of them...

Posted by: duh_swami at October 7, 2007 11:04 AM

The Catholic church was held legally and financially culpable for the behavior of priests even though that behavior was contrary to the long standing principles of the church. Would the Catholic church have been less culpable if it had a long tradition of encouraging priests to ease the stress of their celibacy by enjoying the boys of their flock? So why is Islam not held legally and financially responsible for the behavior of Imams and members who are following the long held principles of Islam?

Posted by: justask at October 7, 2007 11:14 AM

perhaps they can be key not speakers at next years eid feast at the the Crawford ranch

Posted by: GrennBeck at October 7, 2007 11:15 AM

Where are our class-action trial lawyers when we need them? Don't they see those deep pockets? :)

Posted by: justask at October 7, 2007 11:19 AM

GrennBeck-

They can toast the non-existence of the Armenian genocide together.

Posted by: profitsbeard at October 7, 2007 11:26 AM

It's amazing that someone who considers himself to be a religious and spiritual person like Robert can dedicate all his time to vilifying and slandering an entire group of people just because of their religious beliefs. I've been here before and I've heard many arguments that Robert is merely "quoting" from the Qur'an, but the truth is anyone can look at any religious text and twist the words and interpret them negatively. Robert Spencer considers himself to be a "scholar" of Islamic history when he's really just an uber biased right wing "Christian" conservative who believes Jesus (alayhi salaam) is the only way to Heaven. Mr. Spencer studied Islam already with an antagonistic bias. The verses that he quotes from the Qur'an that suggest violence and war are directed towards the Quraysh - the Pagan Arabs - who were persecuting and driving the early Muslims out of their homes.

The people who support Mr. Spencer are known for being immature bigots who bully and shout prejudice insults to any Muslim who wishes to seek peaceful dialogue. This type of behavior starts elementary school, where bullies pick on those who are "different" than them. Another important mention is that Mr. Spencer does NOT delete any of the racist and prejudice comments made towards Muslims by his posters. Why? Does he enjoy reading them? It is the Holy Month of Ramadan and the progressive Christian and non-Muslim communities are learning more about us by visiting our Mosques, attending our Iftars (fast breaks), and reading our Scripture. I was showing my Christian friend the film "The Message" starring Anthony Quinn as Prophet Muhammad's uncle, Hamza (upon them be Peace and Blessings). What are you people doing? Meet and establish contact with the Muslim community around you and you will see, I promise you, that we are not as different as you may think. We are a peaceful and Loving people, and if you are all really Christians or Jews, then respect your teachings of tolerance and stop hating us. Work towards Understanding.

Salaam, Shalom, Shlama

~JehanZeb~

Posted by: ~JehanZeb~ at October 7, 2007 12:01 PM

Surely C.A.I.R., if they are ever to be taken seriously, must come out strenuously against this vile slander against their religion???
We always see them take furious action (peaceful practitioners of Islam that they are...) whenever and wherever so-called 'infidels' make the slightest observations about Islam, and always conclude that we are defaming that 'religion', yet when bona fide mass murderers link Islam with their henous atrocities, such Muslim 'civil rights groups' remain utterly mum.

Posted by: jsla at October 7, 2007 12:02 PM

off topic: very interesting discussion and needs reply. The site needs to be on the watch list.

http://iranian.com/main/2007/blame-game

Posted by: serendip at October 7, 2007 12:18 PM

These 3 should be kept alive in jail. But the jail should be very very very tough - beds of concrete.

And 80 lashes a day to the chanting of "Allah Akbar", with a steel rod. It would be good to bring them within inches of death but never take them over it.

60 years of this might have an effect, who knows?

Posted by: UK Infidel Lover at October 7, 2007 12:18 PM

Jehanzeb
I also doubted Spencer so I read the entire Quran, many hadith, and Reliance of the Traveller. These are Muslim sources. I found that Spencer is more truthful about Islam than most Muslim posters on this site. Perhaps, like many Muslims, you haven't really studied your own religion. I recommend that you look up these issues in Reliance of the Traveller to find out what your religion actually teaches and what the example of your Prophet actually was.

Posted by: justask at October 7, 2007 12:40 PM

JehanZeb:
We are a peaceful and Loving people, and if you are all really Christians or Jews, then respect your teachings of tolerance and stop hating us.

JehanZeb,

As usual, you dont examine all the hateful teaching in the Quran, Hadith, Sira that advocate warfare against non-Muslims. I dont expect you to examine it because there is no answer.

And I dont find you a peaceful and loving people as you say. Why have Muslims perpetally invaded Europe, committing theft, rape and murder?

Why did Sicily get raided in 666AD?
Why did Muslims lay siege to Constantinople in 677AD?
Why did Spain get occupied for 700 years between 710AD to 1491 AD by Muslims?
Why did Muslims lay siege to Constantinople a 2nd time in 716AD?
Why did Muslims occupy Nimes in France in 725AD?
Forutunately Muslims were defeated at Tours, France in 732AD - but why were they there in the first place?
Why was south Italy occupied in 839AD?
Why was Vienna laid seige to in 1529AD?
Why was Vienna laid seige to in 1683AD?

Please answer JehanZeb, the crimes Muslims have committed against humanity (including fellow Muslims) have been going on for 1400 years. That is far longer than any Crusades, Colonisation, World Wars etc. Could it be that verses in the Quran, and Muhammads example motivated these repeated attacks of hatred against Europe?

Posted by: UK Infidel Lover at October 7, 2007 12:51 PM

Justask,

Trust me, I've studied my own religion. I made a choice to follow Islam, which is not just a religion, it is a WAY OF LIFE. I'm not sure which translation of the Qur'an you have read, and I think you should know that there are many Hadiths that are not authentic.

Regardless, to think that an entire religion or group of people are evil is not only immature, but an insult to our very own humanity. Those who hate Islam should reflect upon themselves and ask why they hate Islam and Muslim people. If you got to know me, my family, and my Muslim friends, your views on Islam would change dramatically.

I suggest reading the Qur'an 2004 translation by M.A.S. Abdel Haleem, "No God but God" by Reza Aslan, "Muhammad: A Prophet for our Time" by Karen Armstrong, "In the Footsteps of the Prophet: Lessons from the Life of Muhammad" by Tariq Ramadan, "Lost History: The Enduring Legacy of Muslim Scientists, Thinkers, and Artists" by Michael H. Morgan, and why not, anything by Jalaluddin Rumi.

I know Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, very well, thank you. After all, I'm the one who follows him, not you. This is why it's best to learn about Islam FROM those who truly follow it (to those who are isolated in the suburbs - YES, Muslims really exist outside your TV!)

~JehanZeb~

Posted by: ~JehanZeb~ at October 7, 2007 12:58 PM

UK Infidel Lover

lol, classic response from a prejudice bigot! You do not talk to me or the every day Muslims, you look to things that you seriously have personal issues with. In other words, you're still living in the past, during the times of the Crusades with a medieval mindset.

You said: "I dont find you a peaceful and loving people as you say. Why have Muslims perpetally invaded Europe, committing theft, rape and murder?"

You're not talking to *me*, you're talking to things that you have read and INTERPRETING as evil and unjust. You really don't know any Muslims nor have you attempted to establish contact with them.

WAKE UP! We live in the NOW. Did I do anything that personally hurt or harmed you? Did your Muslim neighbors do anything to you? Why don't you go visit a Mosque instead of taking my words off topic. Meet the Muslims in your area and I PROMISE YOU, we are a peaceful and Loving people. Simple as that. What is so hard for you to understand about that? Just try it, and tell me what happens. I'm waiting.

Posted by: ~JehanZeb~ at October 7, 2007 1:04 PM

How about option 4: Castrate them before execution. They can meet all the virgins they want... but those virgins will remain that way!

RG

Posted by: RightGirl at October 7, 2007 1:12 PM

JehanZeb:

"We are a peaceful and Loving people, and if you are all really Christians or Jews, then respect your teachings of tolerance and stop hating us. Work towards Understanding."

If you are "peaceful and loving" then why do you strap bombs onto yourselves and blow up innocent people?

Why do you fly planes into buildings and murder children?

Why do you cut off the heads of Jews?

Why do you torture Christians in Muslim countries?

Why do you stone women to death?

Why do you not allow people to wear crosses or bring bibles into Saudi Arabia?

Why do you murder Buddhists?

Why do you murder anyone who wants to leave your religion?

Don't give us the tired old "tolerance" lecture, you hypocrite! WE TOLERATE YOU ALL THE TIME; YOU'RE ALIVE IN THIS COUNTRY AREN'T YOU???

What you want is WHOLESALE ACCEPTANCE, NOT TOLERANCE! And we will NOT accept your way of life. Your way of life is evil, primitive and ugly. We will continue to expose your lies and your barbarism until you either CHANGE your religion's insane tenets or LEAVE THE WEST!

Posted by: atheling at October 7, 2007 1:18 PM

RightGirl,

Wow, what an uneducated, bigoted response. How do you people live with such hateful minds?

Posted by: ~JehanZeb~ at October 7, 2007 1:18 PM

Note that JehanZeb calls eveyone a "bigot", yet it's Islam that is rife with bigotry.

In Muslim countries other religions cannot practice their faith without persecution and death.

In Islam, apostates are murdered.

In Islam slavery is permitted and enabled.

In Islam hatred of all that is not Islamic is taught shamelessly by their leaders.

And JehanZeb has the nerve to invoke the term "bigotry" every time his ersatz religion is criticized.

Answer the questions I posed to you JehanZeb; let's see how well you've been "trained" to respond to the atrocities that have been and are currently been committed by Muslims ALL OVER THE WORLD.

Posted by: atheling at October 7, 2007 1:26 PM

~JehanZeb~ writes:
"We are a peaceful and Loving people..."

Those words don't mean the same thing to me as they
apparently mean to your coreligionists. If you accept that Muslims have the right to slay one who leaves Islam (do you?) or that the punishment for a Muslim who murders a nonmuslim is not death, yet it
is death if he slays a Muslim, then it's clear that
the words you use don't match the way the rest of us
use them.

So, instead of coming here, slaming us all as bigots, and then ending with salaams, why don't
you address those issues? Lets start with the issue
of apostasy from Islam. Death penalty, or not. A
simple yes or no will suffice. Thanks.

Posted by: root_cause at October 7, 2007 1:33 PM

~JehanZeb~:

Trust me, ~JehanZeb~, we do not trust you. islam Has shown its face; we will not forget it.

Posted by: Havoc at October 7, 2007 1:36 PM

Root_cause..

Death Penalty to apostates - do I accept or agree with it?

No.

Now what? You're going to still hate me because I'm Muslim, right?

Atheling:

lol, your questions are absurd. Do *I* fly planes into buildings and murder children? Do *I* cut off the heads of Jews??

Dude, do you think all Muslims do these things? If you do, then you need some serious help! lol, do I want wholesale acceptance? Are you out of your mind! Of course I don't. My intentions are just to educate about Islam, not to convert people. Get over your xenophobia! And then you say that I should leave the west.. why? This is my home, this is where I grew up. Every land has been created by God right? This is my community as much as it is yours, and I aspire to inform people that multi-culturism ENRICHES our society. After all, Jesus was a Middle-Easterner wasn't he?

To say immigrants should go back to their country is like saying all the white people should go back to Europe and give this land back to the Native Americans. Get some education, go to school.

Posted by: ~JehanZeb~ at October 7, 2007 1:43 PM

JehanZeb wrote:

"the truth is anyone can look at any religious text and twist the words and interpret them negatively."

I've lost mine.

Posted by: Zeno at October 7, 2007 1:59 PM

the Mohammadan wrote:

Get over your xenophobia!

We're not primarily fighting Islam -- that pathetic scourge is a minor infection -- merely one of a host of afflictions caused by the real problem, our raging, full-blown, Liberal Immune Deficiency Syndrome.

Posted by: Zeno at October 7, 2007 2:08 PM

JehanZeb:

You're a liar.

I never said a word about kicking immigrants out of this country. ONLY MUSLIMS immigrants should be kicked out because they seek to supplant the US Constitution with Sharia Law. Stop lying.

You fail to address the endemic violence which exists in Islam and is committed by Muslims 24/7, ALL OVER THE WORLD. Stop lying.

You evade my questions with strawman arguments, twisting and misconstruing my meaning. Stop lying.

Your ersatz religion and its book are full of directives which tell its adherents to kill non believers; actions of which we witness daily. Stop lying.

I am not xenophobic. I am Islamophobic, and for good reason. Islam is a plague in the West, and its tenets are incompatible with our way of life. Your pretense that it's "loving and peaceful" is belied by the brutal violence committed by Muslims against all peoples everywhere. Your silly and weak response to my questions proves that you are a liar. All liars are thieves because they steal trust.

Islam has proven itself to be full of liars and thieves. You have demonstrated that very well.

Posted by: atheling at October 7, 2007 2:11 PM

The real problem, Zeno, is uneducated, ignorant, and colossally prejudice people like yourself. Your medieval mentality tears this country (and world) apart.

Posted by: ~JehanZeb~ at October 7, 2007 2:12 PM

JehanZeb:

Stop lying.

When are you going to address the violence committed by Muslims all over them world?

Stop lying.

Posted by: atheling at October 7, 2007 2:14 PM

I would have more respect for a Mohammadan who understood his own religion and was honest about it -- "yes Infidel, we have been commanded to conquer the world for Islam, and you should accept Islam, because it is the One True Religion, and if you don't we'll fight you until you submit, as all must submit to the will of Allah"

That's fine. That's straight-up. I disagree with it, and I'll fight it, but that's at least an honest, intelligent enemy. God, how sick and tired I am of these fools, these simpletons who do not understand their own bloody damn religion, or who lie, or evade, slippery, obtuse snakes... a waste of time even addressing them.

Posted by: Zeno at October 7, 2007 2:21 PM

JehanZeb:
You're not talking to *me*, you're talking to things that you have read and INTERPRETING as evil and unjust.

You mean theft, murder, enslavement, rape are not evil? You mean such events never happened despite the fact that Muslim historians boast of it?
Or do you prefer to sweep such embarassing mess under the carpet, pretend it never happened and label anyone that raises it as a "bigot"?
JehanZeb you look back to the past every day if you think if the example of Mohammad but it works out you are selective of facts if you dont want to confront past actions by fellow Muslims.

You really don't know any Muslims nor have you attempted to establish contact with them.

Not true. I have known Muslims since 1984.
I have lived in Kenya, visited Egypt and Morcocco.
In my time at University I visited Islamic societies & Iranian Islamic society. I have cooked Halal food for Muslims, talked to many Muslims, have some as working colleagues. I have known Egyptians, Pakistanis, Somalians.
So your talking crap.

WAKE UP! We live in the NOW. Did I do anything that personally hurt or harmed you? Did your Muslim neighbors do anything to you?

Yes they do and have done. I take the London Underground everyday to work, use planes.
Meanwhile Muslims bombed London on 7/7/2005, failed to bomb London on 21/7/2005, or the London car bombs on 29/6/2007 (and next day the same bomber trying to crash a petrol-laced vechicle into Glasgow Airport shouting Allah, Allah)
That is the here and now!!!! That could have been me affected. And I am saying their actions (and including the actions of Madrid bombers) and not inconsistent with past actions by Muslims and also teaching by the Quran, Hadith, Sira.

Why don't you go visit a Mosque instead of taking my words off topic. Meet the Muslims in your area and I PROMISE YOU, we are a peaceful and Loving people. Simple as that. What is so hard for you to understand about that?

Because that is not enough.
I understand Islam from its holy books.
And from what I have read in the Quran (do I need to quote Siras?) it is hateful. No amount of meeting peaceful Muslims will erase that.

JehanZeb, if I read all the verses in the Quran that contained "kuffar", what understanding would I come to?

Posted by: UK Infidel Lover at October 7, 2007 2:22 PM

"It's amazing that someone who considers himself to be a religious and spiritual person like Robert can dedicate all his time to vilifying and slandering an entire group of people just because of their religious beliefs."

JehanZeb,

I've visited your website, and it's very beautiful. I like the artwork, in particular. I didn't have the time to read everything that was there, but I think I got a sense of it. You've found something in Islam that moves you spiritually, and makes you want to be a better person.

You're profile says you're 22. I remember being that age... vaguely. So, you're a young person, but I think you're probably old enough to know that the quote above, taken from your first post today, is not exactly diplomatic.

If you truly want to encourage dialogue, diplomacy is needed. I don't, myself, know whether Robert considers himself to be particularly spiritual. He is undoubtedly a man with a mission.

Since Christian proselytism is not welcomed here (not the hardcore stuff, anyway), I can't say whether Robert believes Jesus is the only way to heaven, or not. I haven't ever read those words from him.

"The people who support Mr. Spencer are known for being immature bigots who bully and shout prejudice insults to any Muslim who wishes to seek peaceful dialogue."

Actually, I rarely ever see a Muslim poster who wants to seek a peaceful dialogue. Most Muslim posters who visit this site do so to vent their vitriol, and their own hatred of anything not Islamic. I've heard all about how I'm going to go to hell in the next life, after Allah has punished me in this life.

Not peaceful. You have to admit that. Oh, now you're going to say you don't do that, but look at your statement above. Without talking to any one of us you follow up your undiplomatic beginning by saying that we are all known for being immature bullies. So, you've heard this from someone else, I infer.

"It is the Holy Month of Ramadan and the progressive Christian and non-Muslim communities are learning more about us by visiting our Mosques, attending our Iftars (fast breaks), and reading our Scripture."

For you, it is the Holy Month of Ramadan. For me, it is the month of October. Ramadan is not sacred to me, because I am not a Muslim.

If non-Muslims are visiting your Mosques, and being allowed to do so, that's fine. I live across the street--litterally--from a former home that is now a Mosque. "Darul Uloom" is its name. I rarely see women attend the mosque, and I have a feeling, from the "No Trespassing" signs on the gates, that I will not be welcomed there, for Ramadan, or for any reason.

"I was showing my Christian friend the film "The Message" starring Anthony Quinn as Prophet Muhammad's uncle, Hamza (upon them be Peace and Blessings)."

Well, that's nice. It sounds like an interesting movie. Does it address the "Message" about the "Kaffir"?

"What are you people doing?"

I can't speak for everyone else. I, however, am devoted to keeping Islamic Shariah from becoming the law of the United States. I'm a woman, and I don't like some of the penalties that are visited upon women according to Shariah, for infractions real or imagined.

"Meet and establish contact with the Muslim community around you and you will see, I promise you, that we are not as different as you may think."

I find my local Muslims to be intimidating, and not particularly friendly. The Imam of the Darul Uloom, for example gives me dirty looks, when I am mowing my front yard, and wearing shorts. I live in Florida. Shorts are necessary for survival of outdoor chores.

"We are a peaceful and Loving people, and if you are all really Christians or Jews, then respect your teachings of tolerance and stop hating us. Work towards Understanding."

You condemn us as bullies. You tell us we're immature. You tell us we can't know about all Muslims. By the way, we are not all Christians and Jews. Do you not want to work for understanding with atheists, agnostics, Buddhists, Hindus, Zoroastrians, Wiccans, Druids,
and other people who hold different religious convictions?

My dear, you can't know about all Muslims, either. Some Muslims might be absolutely wonderful people. In fact, I'll go out on a limb and say some Muslims *are* fine, loving, peaceful people. I'd be willing to bet that you are, when you're not inexplicably trolling on non-Islam discussion boards, are one of these fine people.

But, not all. Not all, by any means. Not even close.

Young Friend, there is an addage that you'll catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Diplomacy and tact will earn you more respect, in your posts here.

Posted by: Abscedere at October 7, 2007 2:23 PM

Atheling,

You're a paranoid self-admitting Islamophob. You also seem to be a robot/broken-record with your repetitive talk.

No one is lying except for your darkened heart. I feel sorry for you because you must not know the True Nature of your Soul.

If Islam was a doctrine of war, then you would see every single Muslim in the world taking up arms and waging war. You are convinced by the prejudice bigots in the world who still have the medieval mentality that Islam is the work of the "Devil." If your mentality is such then may GOD HELP YOU. If you hate me and my family and friends just because we're Muslim then you, my friend, are pathetic. Many civilizations have used religion to justify their military actions, not just Muslims. Remember the Crusades? How about the Children's Crusades? Who was the hero of the Crusades? That's right, it was a MUSLIM - Salah al-Din! Read up on your history. What about the British Empire? What about the current American occupation of Iraq? If you hate Islam so much then start writing numbers in Roman numerals, stop reading the preserved Greek philosophies, stop studying poetry or art or medicine or astronomy. You owe a lot to Islam, my friend.

Look beyond your hate, I challenge you. You KNOW very well, deep down in your Soul, that I am not saying anything hateful towards you, America, or Christianity or any other religion. You KNOW deep down that I am talking peacefully and I have peaceful intentions. So find your Self, bring it forth and challenge your own hatred that has clouded your heart, and see me as your Abrahamic brother.

Peace!

Posted by: ~JehanZeb~ at October 7, 2007 2:23 PM

JehanZeb:

Stop lying.

I never said anything about hate. If anyone has demonstrated hatred it's Muslims.

Muslims who strap bombs on themselves and blow up innocent bystanders are hate-filled.

Muslims who murder women and children by flying planes into buildings are hate-filled.

Muslims who cut the throat of infidels are hate-filled.

Muslims who call for the destruction of Israel are hate-filled.

Muslims who murder gays, Christians, Buddhists and Hindus are hate-filled.

Muslims who buy and sell slaves are hate-filled.

When are you going to stop the ad hominem attacks and address the hate filled ACTIONS of Muslims all over the world?

Stop lying. You are obviously ill equipped to debate the issue without deliberate obfuscation and evasion.

Answer the questions honestly. Stop lying.

Posted by: atheling at October 7, 2007 2:28 PM

Abscedere, that was nice, poetic even.

Now bring me my horse and sword, I'm riding out to destroy the enemy.

Posted by: Zeno at October 7, 2007 2:37 PM

JehanZeb:
Death Penalty to apostates - do I accept or agree with it?

No.

Then you are out of step with Islam.

From the Quran:
http://muttaqun.com/quran/e/
See Surah 4:89
But if they turn back (from Islâm), take (hold) of them and kill them wherever you find them, and take neither Auliyâ' (protectors or friends) nor helpers from them.

From Bukhari:
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/052.sbt.html

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 260:
Narrated Ikrima:
Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.'"

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/083.sbt.html

Volume 9, Book 83, Number 17:
Narrated 'Abdullah:

Allah's Apostle said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims."

JehanZeb, why dont you follow the commands of your own religion?

Posted by: UK Infidel Lover at October 7, 2007 2:44 PM

It's not a Muslim, it's a Liberal.

Posted by: Zeno at October 7, 2007 2:49 PM

Zeb makes no substantial case against Robert or anyone for that matter. Zeb does not come here to learn anything, he like other trolls before him, come here to preach, criticize, destroy if possible,
and to tell people who have made it their business, to know about Islam, that they don't know about Islam. And all those lame references to Hate and bigotry are proof that Jeb has no idea that will stand on its own without props.
So Zeb gets duh swamis 'Yada, yada, yada' award for the day. It has no monetary value. But this award and a five dollar bill will get you a beer any place in town...

Posted by: duh_swami at October 7, 2007 2:49 PM

These creeps are afraid to die.

In a cult which has normalised suicide bombing, they chose murder, survival and escape, but they got caught.

That's why they must be executed, and it must be filmed. Secretly. So they die without knowing the whole world saw and heard them cringing and pleading for their worthless lives.

Posted by: Monty at October 7, 2007 2:52 PM

Zeno:

Brevity is, indeed, the soul of wit! LOL ;)

Posted by: Abscedere at October 7, 2007 2:55 PM

The so-called smiling assassin, Amrozi, his older brother, Mukhlas alias Ali Ghufron, and Imam Samudra, sentenced to death for their pivotal roles in the 2002 Kuta bombings, have all recently lost their final appeals against the death penalty, but no date has been set for their executions.

So why did people who are eager to die for Islam appeal their convictions in the first place? Wouldn't it be a feather in their cap to be executed by the state?

Posted by: PMK at October 7, 2007 2:56 PM

guru:

"Also, the complaint about the killings by Muslims does not carry much weight either. Historically, and since 9/11, more Muslims have been killed by the Judeo-Christian cabal than the other way. Do you folks protest those killings? Globally, more of other peoples' lands are occupied by Christians than by any one else (Americas, Australia, New Zealand etc). Christians have caused more damage and disruption to all continents than anyone else. So, stop barking!"

Show us. Where are the stats regarding the murder of Muslims by Judeo Christian cabal which exceed the reverse?

Sounds like baby JehanZeb brought big mama bow wow guru to the fight.

Big mama bow wow guru still can't refute the overwhelming evidence of Islam's murderous violence.

More taqqiya. More ignorance. More lies.

guru, you're full of it.

Posted by: atheling at October 7, 2007 3:03 PM

~JehanZeb~ writes;
"Root_cause..

Death Penalty to apostates - do I accept or agree with it?

No."

But you acknowledge that a huge number of Muslims
do accept that, right? In fact, religious
authorities in all major schools of Islamic jurisprudence, Sunni and Shia, accept it. There was even a case in Afghanistan recently...

How do you deal with that, amongst other issues?

"Now what? You're going to still hate me because I'm Muslim, right?"

Nope. I don't hate "Muslims", just Islam. If you don't accept this, or murdering those who offend
Muslim sensibilities by drawing pictures, or
the numerous other things we dislike, I have no
problem with you. By analogy, you'd be something
like Oskar Schindler, who was a German Nazi
(member of the Nazi party) who nevertheless
saved Jewish prisoners. A Nazi in name only, if
you will.

I can accept that you may not accept these bad features of Islam, but I'd like to know how you'd
deal with the reality that all of us see. It isn't
as though people here have nothing better to do, and just up and decided to hate Islam. Most of us
probably would rather be ignorant of it, but we
just aren't allowed to be.

Posted by: root_cause at October 7, 2007 3:07 PM

Atheling:

How many Christians have been killed by Terrorists since 9/11?

How many Mulslims by the Judeo-Christian cabal in Afganistan and Iraq since then?

Don't just use your hateful gut feelings, use logic too.

Your hateful rhetoric drowns the real concern about terrorism.

Go ask a native American about terrorism and land grab. They will tell you who did that. So, cool down.

Posted by: guru at October 7, 2007 3:12 PM

guru:

What an absurd comment. You really are delusional.

I asked for evidence.

Show it.

Stop obfuscating, stop lying.

Posted by: atheling at October 7, 2007 3:16 PM

Liberalislam.

Posted by: Zeno at October 7, 2007 3:21 PM

guru:

Stop spammimg. You're flooding all the threads with the same comment.

That violates intenet etiquette, and will earn your comments deletion and banning for you.

Posted by: atheling at October 7, 2007 3:21 PM

Atheling:

Just do a web search and you will find the proof. But of course you will not do that because you want to stay in your ignorance.

Our defese department does not even count the Iraqi and Afghani deads! Why? Because that will show our inhumanity too?

Posted by: guru at October 7, 2007 3:22 PM

Now we got guru in here telling people how to think and act...this is getting funny, must be troll night at the ranch. I'm going to kick back, open a can of Algores love brew, and stare at the screen... I can't wait to read what Guru or Jeb will say next. My chest already hurts from all that laughing...

Posted by: duh_swami at October 7, 2007 3:25 PM

guru:

Show us the evidence. If there is evidence, give us the links.

Your failure to do so only shows that you are engaged in taqqiya.

You have no evidence, otherwise you'd show it.

Posted by: atheling at October 7, 2007 3:25 PM

duh_swami:

I think guru and Jeb are in cahoots.

Note that they use the same ineffective tactics and cannot substantiate any of their absurd claims.

I think Jeb got in over his/her head, and enlisted guru, who is in over his/her head. Furthermore, guru is spamming other threads with the same comment.

I have been reading and commenting at Jihad Watch for well over a year now, and I have yet to see a Mohammedan apologist able to engage in a proper debate. They don't know how to respond to facts or questions. They evade, obfuscate and outright lie. They use ad hominem and the same old tired allegations of "hatred", "bigotry", "prejudice".

Crying wolf by Mohammedans is the only defense tactic they know how to use. (Other than strapping bombs on themselves and blowing up innocent bystanders).

And no one (except the Loony Left) is fooled by it.

Posted by: atheling at October 7, 2007 3:33 PM

guru- (gee, you are you?): "Do not resist!"

I'll fight any form of tyranny over the mind of Man.

Islam is one.

Any "religion" that has the tenet to kill anyone who tries to leave it needs to be sent home to to Mecca re-think this call to sanctified murder.

Muslims should leave Islam for their own safety.

More have died in Afghanistan and Iraq by Muslim hands (carbombs, mosque bombs, suicide vest bombs, roadside IED's, et al) than died in the war with those who came to end the dictatorship of their madman Saddam.

We freed them, and they turned on themselves.

Because of the dogmas of their misogynistic, slaveholdling, pedophile warlord Mohammad.

Until they escape his lunatic preachments to enslave the world, we will be fighting off their assaults on human liberty.

Posted by: profitsbeard at October 7, 2007 3:35 PM

We are a peaceful and Loving people...

Posted by: ~JehanZeb~ at October 7, 2007 12:01 PM

Feel the "JehanZeb" brand of peace and loving here:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article54845.ece
and: http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,,1822724,00.html
and: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/terrorism/international/fatwa_1998.html

Thanks to JW, it is so easy to bust their bold-faced lies..

Posted by: Alert at October 7, 2007 3:46 PM

We are a peaceful and Loving people...

Allah did not command muslims to be peaceful nor loving. I would like to hear in muslimspeak, just what is meant by 'peaceful and loving'?

Posted by: duh_swami at October 7, 2007 4:07 PM

The Bali bombers suffer from delusions of grandeur.

Posted by: callmeinfidel at October 7, 2007 4:23 PM

Remember not to feed the troll.

Here is a love message I just received from a member of his cult:

We need to Blow you up! Then we can all enjoy something good to see! Today! I would cut you up slowly and then feed your skin to the hounds! It would be very intresting and a good way to start our day!

Yep. Received this morning from one of Jehan Zeb's murderous co-religioinists. 'Peaceful and loving' lunatics who can display 'a fanatical frenzy which is more dangerous than hydrophobia in a dog' according to Churchill.

Check the atrocity meter at 'Relgion of Peace' for yesterdays abominable assassinations, murder and terror done by 'good Muslims'- and then tell the troll to shove it.

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at October 7, 2007 5:00 PM

The first is freedom to continue religious teaching and Jihad and to die as martyrs in the battlefield, "God willing". - JW

Well, one bullet each in their will complete the job and rid the world of some germs.
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It amazes me, how the troll keeps on creeping back into our tent - here is Miss ~JehanZeb~ at October 7, 2007 1:43 PM

"My intentions are just to educate about Islam, not to convert people."

We can learn a lot by seeing the results of your (Islamic) actions. That is a lot of education for me.

Does it ever occur to you that you can go to a Church and learn about Christianity, or go to some Bhudhists temple and learn about what the Bhudists have to say about the God? Of course, that would be un-Islamic. Don't try to give us your HS, that you read the Bible and the rest, I am 100% sure you didn't. If you read anything GOOD, you will leave the murder preaching evil cult Islam in a heart beat.

Didn't Mohd. marry a six year old girl and he was 53? Why didn't he bring her up as his child if he was a ted-bit good person?

Didn't he marry his sister-in-law as well? Wow, you worship that guy!! That tells me that I don't want ever know you.

Did he not murder hundreds of people belonging to different tribes and faiths?

Exactly what is good that you think comes out of Islam?

You think the numbers came from ME, you are so wrong miss!! They came from China and India, check your history.

The Astronomy or the study of the stars was well practiced all over the world, long before the Mohd's tribe (the goat abusers)could spell Astronomy.

You really believe that Islam gave us 'Greek philosophies, poetry or art or medicine or astronomy", I already know that you are a clueless about any of it, where they came from. Those days are long gone when your kind of people use to make some folks believe in this kind of HS.

Me and my folks do not like Islam a small bit. I will fight, especially people like you who are full of it and calling us hateful. The fact that you think you are peace loving does not prove a thing.

I think you are a Jihad supporter against our constitution, because you didn't say that you want to show us how much you love America, or how much you love people of different faiths, and you will defend our constitution. Instead, you said that you want us to know how you think that we will love you and your wonderful Islam if we get to know you. No thanks!!

Miss, you and your kinds, we have learnt to read'em like a children's story. You aint gonne fool people around here at any time soon. Go away from our shores.

Posted by: MusHuntCowboy at October 7, 2007 5:15 PM

We need to Blow you up! Then we can all enjoy something good to see! Today! I would cut you up slowly and then feed your skin to the hounds! It would be very intresting and a good way to start our day! Posted by: sheik yer'mami at October 7, 2007 5:00 PM

Exactly! Our leaders got it so wrong about Islam that they just don't wanna know the facts. Yer'mami, rest assured, we are working on things that will make their lives in the West un-bearable until they start respecting our constitutions. That I think, many other countries are going to make it happen too.

Listen to this what we have to say to the Muslims -
Country Music Stars Challenge Al-Qaeda With Patriotic New Song ‘Bomb New York’

Posted by: MusHuntCowboy at October 7, 2007 5:44 PM

"I know Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, very well, thank you. After all, I'm the one who follows him, not you. This is why it's best to learn about Islam FROM those who truly follow it (to those who are isolated in the suburbs - YES, Muslims really exist outside your TV!)"

posted by: ~JehanZeb~

Zeb, I would rather learn from those who have chosen to leave Islam: http://www.apostatesofislam.com/

Here are two excerpts taken from this website:

"Why Mohammed was not a prophet":

"One who claims to be a messenger of God is expected to live a saintly life. He must not be given to lust, he must not be a sexual pervert, and he must not be a rapist, a highway robber, a war criminal, a mass murderer or an assassin. One who claims to be a messenger of God must have a superior character. He must stand above the vices of the people of his time. Yet Muhammad’s life is that of a gangster godfather. He raided merchant caravans, looted innocent people, massacred entire male populations and enslaved the women and children. He raped the women captured in war after killing their husbands and told his followers that it is okay to have sex with their captives and their “right hand possessions” (Quran 33:50) He assassinated those who criticized him and executed them when he came to power and became de facto despot of Arabia. Muhammad was bereft of human compassion. He was an obsessed man with his dreams of grandiosity and could not forgive those who stood in his way. Muhammad was a narcissist like Hitler, Saddam or Stalin. He was astute and knew how to manipulate people, but his emotional intelligence was less evolved than that of a 6-year-old child. He simply could not feel the pain of others. He brutally massacred thousands of innocent people and pillaged their wealth. His ambitions were big and as a narcissist he honestly believed he is entitled to do as he pleased and commit all sorts of crimes and his evil deeds are justified."

"Why Quran is not from God":

"Muhammad produced no miracles and when pressed he claimed that his miracle is the Quran. Yet a cursory look at the Quran reveals that this book is full of errors. Quran is replete with scientific heresies, historic blunders, mathematical mistakes, logical absurdities, grammatical errors and ethical fallacies. It is badly compiled and it contradicts itself. There is nothing intelligent in this book let alone miraculous. Muhammad challenged people to produce a “Surah like it” or find an error therein, yet Muslims would kill anyone who dares to criticize it. In such a climate of hypocrisy and violence truth is the first casualty."

Posted by: champ at October 7, 2007 5:56 PM

Bali Jihadists have ALWAYS proclaimed what they would DO so why should anyone be surprised? Indonesia is another Islamic Shithole whose corrupt leaders proclaim 'Democracy,Secularism' etc to get Aid Money from Infidel West.
A country where an Infidel smuggling or having drugs planted on them-can get Life in Prison or be executed unless Infidel has enough money to bribe Indonesian police & government. BUT JIHADISTS WHO MURDER PEOPLE GET REDUCED SENTENCES OR PARDONS.
Jehan Zeb
You may be a talented Artist but otherwise a silly
boy who has probably been indocrinated with virus of ISLAM since birth.
Note-I'm an Agnostic not Christian.

Posted by: Morgane at October 7, 2007 6:23 PM

I was listening to a bit of radio mysteriously transmitted from Nazi germany circa 1930's. Excerpt as follows...

"Hi folks. Nazism is an ideology of peace. All ideological texts have their violent passages. In this context deomcracy and nazism are equal. Everyone that posts at naziwatch is a biggot. Churchhill is a bigot too and doesn't know what he is talking about. Why don't you learn the nazi ideology of peace from real nazis who know what they are talking about like my friend Joseph Goebbels. He will explain the true message of love and peace in "Mein Kampf".

And for my next trick I am going to invade Poland"

Posted by: ausinfidel at October 7, 2007 6:32 PM

Jehan Zeb.

Progressives of any stripe comming for a free Cultural Meal, would be no suprise to many of us arround here. Odd that you would consider that as a strength in your presentation.

We Infidels really do understand more than you will give us credit for.

Islam and the Truth seem to have Issues.

Your Dribble and the Headlines bear Witness to its confirmation.

The World would be a more peaceful place if you recieved treatment for your Infidephobic behavior.

Posted by: flowerknife_us at October 7, 2007 7:23 PM

No Muslim must be killed for killing an infidel

“[I]f a Muslim deliberately murders another Muslim he falls under the law of retaliation and must by law be put to death by the next of kin. But if a non-Muslim who dies at the hand of a Muslim has by lifelong habit been a non-Muslim, the penalty of death is not valid. Instead the Muslim murderer must pay a fine and be punished with the lash….Since Islam regards non-Muslims as on a lower level of belief and conviction, if a Muslim kills a non-Muslim…then his punishment must not be the retaliatory death, since the faith and conviction he possesses is loftier than that of the man slain…Islam and its peoples must be above the infidels, and never permit non-Muslims to acquire lordship over them.” — Sultanhussein Tabandeh, A Muslim Commentary on the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, F. J. Goulding, translator, London, 1970.

Because of the above I'm accepting bets now that the Bali bombers will not be executed.

Amnesia intentional is already preparing the ground for it and pushes the compassionate nutroots to support the move for the bombers lives to be spared:

http://sheikyermami.com/2007/09/28/amnesty-calls-for-bali-bombers-lives-to-be-spared%e2%80%a6/

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at October 7, 2007 7:51 PM

Islam is an evil hoax. Get out while there's still time!

Posted by: champ at October 7, 2007 7:59 PM

Re the Mohammedan trolls - whether they are real Mohammedans or people pretending to be so, in order to yank our chains - there is one main reason for replying to them (briefly, and with as much self-restraint as one can muster).

That is, through such exchanges non-Muslim newbie visitors to this site can see that the standard 'arguments' of Muslim apologists - tu quoque and the rest - can be shot down in flames. Reason and proofs will settle the matter for the rational non-Muslim, though they will have little or no effect on the dyed-in-the-wool Mohammedan. Next time our intelligent visitor encounters a taqiyya spin job, they will remember what they read here, and be immune.

M Scott Peck's description in 'People of the Lie', of the techniques of a properly conducted exorcism reminds me strongly of what sometimes happens at this site, as people of good will, whether Christian or secular, attempt to reason with Mohammedan trolls.

"Once the exorcism proper was begun, with appropriate prayer and ritual [and - I speak here to my fellow believers ONLY, to Christians and also to Jews: heartfelt prayer, before attempting any answer to a Mohammedan 'troll', is well advised]...SILENCE seemed the most effective of the many means used for the final penetration of the Pretence [i.e. to separate the 'demonic' parasite from its human host].

In other words: if a Muslim posts on this site, even if we choose to respond, we should try the 'silent' treatment first...make sure a few solid posts go down on the 'topic of the day', before coming back to the 'troll'.

Peck goes on: "The team [and, guys, the regulars here ARE a team, of sorts] would speak either with the patient's healthy core personality [and in talking with Mohammedans we attempt as best we can to 'reach' them as fellow humans], or the demon/s, but would refuse to speak with some unclear mixture of the two.'
"It took some time before the team in each case became adept at doing this. FOR THE DEMON ITSELF SEEMED TO HAVE A MARKED ABILITY TO DRAW THE EXORCIST OR TEAM INTO CONFUSING CONVERSATION THAT WENT NOWHERE.' (Remind you of anything, guys?).

'But as the team became more perceptive and steadfastly refused to be sucked in [and Mr Spencer is a great example of this!] the patients began to alternate between a progressively more healthy-appearing core personality and a progressively more ugly secondary personality until suddenly the secondary personality took on inhuman features, and the Pretense was broken". We see something like this whenever the mask rips off some sweet-talking Muslim troll, and 'the Islam' sneers and snarls at us. (Very salutary for a newbie, seeing such an ugly transformation).

I should add that Peck is very clear - for a person to be freed, even with divine help, they must WANT to be freed. Given the limits of this comments floor, it's most unlikely we could bring someone to that point, where they 'wake up' and their humanity - aided, I would say, by the Holy One - successfully rebels against The Islam. Ali Sina's site and some Christian sites are better set up to facilitate that.

Here, about the best we can aim for is greater clarity for lurkers and visitors, through the shattering of the Pretences.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at October 7, 2007 9:00 PM

Jehan Zeb-

Art is forbidden by Mohammad.

("An angel will not enter a house where there is a picture, or a dog." quoth the "prophet")

It is Allah's creative prerogative alone.

You are a blasphemer against Islam.

As a wiser Mo (Howard) than Mohammad said:

Salami, Salami, Baloney.

Posted by: profitsbeard at October 7, 2007 9:25 PM

JehanZeb -

You lost all credibility when you stated you CHOSE to follow islam. Anyone who chooses to follow this evil ideology is misguided at best, a moron at least.

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at October 8, 2007 6:39 AM

"The real problem, Zeno, is uneducated, ignorant, and colossally prejudice people like yourself. Your medieval mentality tears this country (and world) apart.

Posted by: ~JehanZeb~"

....you should see what 7th century Islam and Dar al_Harb is doing to the world.....

...Ban Muslim Immigration...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at October 8, 2007 9:19 AM

"Ban Muslim Immigration"

Xenophobic.

dumbledoresarmy,

lol, may God help you.

Posted by: ~JehanZeb~ at October 8, 2007 9:51 AM

jehanzeb,
i have read all your postings and not once have you offered a reasoned argument or rebuttal to any question asked of you.
all you do is try to blame everyone else for the failings of your religion.
when are you going to realise that we do not want sharia law,or for that matter any of your islamic lunacy.
please just go to pakistan or saudi arabia or any other islamic sh**hole and take all your islamic mates with you-we'll even pay for your airline tickets!

Posted by: victor at October 8, 2007 10:13 AM

xenophobic

adjective
suffering from xenophobia; having abnormal fear or hatred of the strange or foreign

....perhaps....the fear is a valid one....that which is stange or foreign is known as Dar al-Harb and it is a thrill kill machine on steroids...it seeks to kill all nonMUslims who refuse to submit to become second class citizens forever delegated to slave status.....THe perputrators are Muslims...

....they are not good neighbors...Ban Muslim Immigration...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at October 8, 2007 12:42 PM

exsgtbrown -- what are you doing in '08? You already have my vote :-)

Posted by: champ at October 8, 2007 1:40 PM

It's amazing that someone who considers himself to be a religious and spiritual person like Robert can dedicate all his time to vilifying and slandering an entire group of people just because of their religious beliefs. I've been here before and I've heard many arguments that Robert is merely "quoting" from the Qur'an, but the truth is anyone can look at any religious text and twist the words and interpret them negatively. Robert Spencer considers himself to be a "scholar" of Islamic history when he's really just an uber biased right wing "Christian" conservative who believes Jesus (alayhi salaam) is the only way to Heaven. Mr. Spencer studied Islam already with an antagonistic bias. The verses that he quotes from the Qur'an that suggest violence and war are directed towards the Quraysh - the Pagan Arabs - who were persecuting and driving the early Muslims out of their homes.

The people who support Mr. Spencer are known for being immature bigots who bully
that statement aloneshows just how much of a big bigot you are
Jehan Zeb
I am a Quakerisand as such in a Muslim country I cannot really practice my beliefs and in some countries Bibles are thrown in the garbage yet mention the same thing done in the West and the entire Muslim world is up in arms so who's the big bigots here I'll give you a hand in. In figuring it out and it is the Muslims who are the true bigots

Posted by: mowasaperv at October 8, 2007 5:47 PM

Just goes to show...
you can take the terrorist out of the jihad, but...
ok, you get the idea.

Posted by: jcom972 at October 10, 2007 2:09 PM