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October 11, 2007

Fitzgerald: Islam's Trojan Horse, and what to do about it

Islam's Trojan Horse is also to be seen in the Pentagon. There are within it American generals who have their Muslim aides. There are Saudi generals -- you know, the kind who have never held a rifle in their lives, but are connected to the Al-Saud and thus to the arms buying that is the only way, or the easiest way, the Americans can think of to recycle those petrodollars.

The Trojan Horse can be seen in Congress, where Ellison (of Minnesota) and Meeks (of New York) and Eddie Johnson (of Texas) introduced and got passed a resolution to get the members of Congress to "commend" the world's "1.5 billion" (!) Muslims for their celebration of Ramadan, phrasing the thing so that some Congressmen, if it came to a vote (it is now in committee) would undoubtedly simply sign it, thinking its easier to do so rather than not, and of course what's the harm in praising, they will think, the "celebration of Ramadan"?

There is plenty wrong with it. For every seeming endorsement of anything in Islam is immediately taken, and twisted, and used by those who are extremely clever -- who are full-time practitioners -- of propaganda on behalf of Islam. And when someone signs a petition, or a bill that can be considered in favor of Islam (which is how organized Muslims will take it, and use it) they may then find that they have to defend that signing against those who will attack them, and then the well-known phenomenon of getting defensive, rather than explaining that the vote meant nothing, may lead some to actually convince themselves that, by golly, "there is plenty about Islam to like, and I'll be damned if I'll let people attack me for this." And then someone, who began knowing nothing, and found out nothing, by the mere act of signing something he thought meant nothing, can push himself into a psychological corner where he begins to take the side of Islam and Jihad. It happens. That is why these seemingly trivial endorsements of the "inoffensive" aspects of Islam -- including Bush's idiotic instituting of an Iftar dinner which, one hopes, will be ended with the next president (he, or she, will have to be quietly determined and ruthless about it, with no swerving at all) -- are not trivial at all.

The government needs to hear from those who, like Youssef Ibrahim and Habib Malik, are non-Muslims who grew up in a Muslim society. And why not organize a conference, where Copts and Maronites, and Assyrians, and Hindus who fled Pakistan and Bangladesh, and Chinese from Indonesia, and many others, can speak their peace in Washington? There is an Islam lobby in Washington. There is no lobby of those who endured dhimmitude, which took the form of everything from discrimination, to persecution under the law, to appropriation of property and murder.

That lobbying group should be established. And in it, lobbying for the most just and justified of reasons, should be people who are out not to enrich themselves or some business client, but to prevent this country and the rest of the West from succumbing bit by bit to the influence, the power, the huge sums of money, now being used by Muslims to transform this country's political and legal institutions. That transformation is proceeding not all at once, but slowly. It is proceeding, first of all, by creating among the non-Muslims constant confusion, uncertainties, continuing ignorance about the texts and tenets and attitudes of Islam. And in this is most useful the nice smiling plausible extra-friendly Muslim, the colleague at work, the parent of one of your children's schoolmates. He never will discuss the contents of Islam but, by personal friendliness or charm, wins you and others over and convinces you to forget to ask -- it would be a little awkward, wouldn't it? -- him or her what is in the Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira. If you did, and were responded to with evasions and lies, would you at this point have the good sense to look beyond those smiles, that supposed friendliness? Do you know anything about what Muslims are taught about taking Christians or Jews as friends, or about the reason given for its being licit if it is feigned, and for one purpose only -- to protect and further Islam?

You must educate yourself, about those texts, and tenets, and attitudes, about Jihad-conquest over 1350 years, and about the treatment of all non-Muslims, in the lands conquered, from Spain to East Asia. You are not being asked to go off to Iraq, where every day someone will try to kill you, nor to patrol the mountain passes and valleys of Afghanistan. You aren't being asked to perform any acts of derring-do at all. You are only asked to do what you are doing right now, as you read what is on this screen. Study about Islam, read about Islam.

Make sense of what is going on, and tell everyone you know how, and where, with what books and articles and websites, they too -- whatever their disagreements they may have on everything else (faith or lack of it, taxes, global warming, education, abortion, you name it) -- can go and do likewise.

Posted by Hugh at October 11, 2007 10:15 AM
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We must begin a foundation or PAC or whatever you want to call it to begin lobbying to have Islam declared outside of the protection of the 1st Amendment. Is there a mini-George Soros on our side to fund such an effort? There was a time (unfortunately) when people sat around saying things like, "You know, we ought to try to have abortion laws overturned." That might have sounded quixotic at the time too.

It is against the law to call for the violent overthrow of the US government. The Koran mandates all sharia, all the time, enforced at sword points. It calls for the murder of "infidels" and other outrageous and *illegal* acts. Communists were restricted in their ability to import literature, associate with one another, etc, back when we had a basic sense of national self-preservation. This must be rekindled before e.g. there's a sizable Muslim caucus in Congress. We don't have infinite time.

Posted by: ChristianRepublic [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 11, 2007 10:26 AM
There is plenty wrong with it. For every seeming endorsement of anything in Islam is immediately taken, and twisted, and used by those who are extremely clever -- who are full-time practitioners -- of propaganda on behalf of Islam.

Perfect example of which is this - the ink on the Congressional recognition of Ramadan wasn't dry before this opinion hit the press:

Holiday lights shouldn't have us seeing stars -Chicago Sun-Times BY RUMMANA HUSSAIN rhussain@suntimes.com

The angry lot came dressed in red, white and blue last week, blaming Muslim parents for pushing the school board into contemplating nixing Santa Claus decorations -- a secular symbol they argued was part of their American heritage. They must not have gotten the memo of the U.S. Congress passing a resolution recognizing Ramadan hours earlier that same day.
Posted by: heroyalwhyness [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 11, 2007 10:33 AM

During the Cold War, persons seeking to emigrate, seeking citizenship, or seeking employment in government were asked: "Are you now, or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party?" It may perhaps have been somewhat naive to expect an honest answer from someone who was, but it at least laid down a standard that we were trying to keep such persons from becoming Trojan Horses in our government and in our polity.

Today, we have imposed laws upon ourselves that would prohibit the asking of such a question as "Are you now, or have you ever been, a Muslim?" Until we have gotten to the point where we can ask such questions, we will continue to have problems such as this.

Put this another way. Most jihadists have no prior criminal record, but do have a background of non-stop religious training since youth that jihad is the highest good to which a person can aspire.

There is currently no reason that a Muslim with no prior criminal record cannot work in a sensitive post within the FBI, CIA, Department of Defense, or Department of Energy, no matter his training and belief background concerning jihad. There is no reason a Muslim cannot work within a position of government where he could learn the ins and outs of nuclear weapons technology, or how to develop new viruses or how to weaponize anthrax. There is no reason that a 100 jihadists cannot become airline pilots, or school bus drivers, or school security guards. Any efforts to prevent any of these things from happening would give the jihadist the right to sue for civil rights violations.

We have a system that, until changed, invites the Trojan Horse attack.

Repealing civil rights laws that protect jihadists based on their religious background is not even under discussion at present. It would be politically incorrect to even talk about that. Until that situation changes, we will continue to have Muslim security personnel searching Swedish grandmothers at airports.

Posted by: Karl2 [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 11, 2007 10:49 AM

"We must begin a foundation or PAC or whatever you want to call it to begin lobbying to have Islam declared outside of the protection of the 1st Amendment."

My response to this is that it is not the First Amendment (free speech) that is the problem here. We should welcome open discussion of Islam now, just as we welcomed open discussion of Communism during the Cold War.

The problem is Islam's protected status as a "religion" under Civil Rights legislation, both federal and state.

Posted by: Karl2 [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 11, 2007 10:56 AM

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,301116,00.html

More chicanery on the part of Islam?

Posted by: Stinkyinfidel [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 11, 2007 11:20 AM

THEN ASK ARE THEY REALLY ASKING CAN WE JUST ALL GET ALONG?

Saint Sophie
http://www.istanbulguide.net/istguide/musees/stesophie.htm
MUSEE SAINTE-SOPHIE
The visit of the Holy essential sophie is a moment that one does not forget. Of all the religious constructions, she remains not only the symbol of the power of the roman empire of east, but also the one of the empire ottoman, of which the sultan conquering fit a mosque in 1453. The construction of the structure débuta in 532 on the order of the emperor Justinien to the architects Isidore of Milet and Anthemios of Tralles. She had to replace the ancienne church destroyed at the time of a revolution, on the site of a former Greek temple. The materials arrivèrent of all the empire and the Greek quoted anciennes were inexhaustible careers. One do not do n'hésita to send for ephèse of the pillars of the artémision, one of the Seven Wonders of the world. More than 10 000 workers there travaillèrent and this not that 5 years later, than took time the inauguration in big pumps. Two years after the cupola collapsed, but Isidore of Milet the reconstruisit while reinforcing also base them by means of huge buttresses, this that gives him his sturdy aspect. The very day of the Conquest, the sultan Mehmet II, converted the basilica in mosque. It fit to cover the picture of the Christ Pantocrator that decorated the cupola and the remplaça by a writes calligraphy. The mosaic ones were preserved and it is only in 1750 that one covers them with whitewash in order to be more in harmony with the Koran that forbids the pictures.

Read the whole thing.

Posted by: Catherine [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 11, 2007 11:29 AM

As long as we have James Bakers, willing to use their years of "serving America" to enrich themselves at the bank of Saud the Trojan Horses don't even need to show themselves. They have Americans willing to do their deed for them.

The "friendly Muslim" will never see our backs. We all think we are too smart to be bamboozled. Most of those who know Muslims think they know the good ones and that everyone else is just another Islamophobe being deceived by the likes of Lou Dobbs.
The others think we need to become one world (have they heard from the Vulcans telling them all about the United Federation of Planets?) in order to know peace and that any attempt to remain separate from Muslim culture is further proof of our backwardness.

Posted by: PMK [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 11, 2007 11:35 AM

stinky infidel, a snippet from the open letter signed by 138 leading scholars from every sect of Islam to the Pope . . .from your link:

"With the terrible weaponry of the modern world; with Muslims and Christians intertwined everywhere as never before, no side can unilaterally win a conflict between more than half of the world's inhabitants. Thus our common future is at stake. The very survival of the world itself is perhaps at stake."

Dawa, Demographics, Dhimmitude, Death . . .Any questions?

Posted by: heroyalwhyness [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 11, 2007 11:40 AM

What a great piece, Hugh, and excellent blogs by those commenting. The site never fails to inform and inspire. I would hope that your site would automatically copy the White House. It would probably do little good, judging by their love of muslims and George's belief in the 'religion of peace'. But at least they couldn't say they didn't know or weren't informed. It seems to be an 'Atlas Shrugged' thing, but with islam instead of socialism as the enemy.

Posted by: countywolf [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 11, 2007 11:41 AM

One of your best Hugh: th Trojan horse and what to do about it.

Timely and (for a 'progressive'(lol)) prescient, and forward looking (are you actually getting slightly optimistic ?).

Damn the House of Saud.

Posted by: dgene [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 11, 2007 11:47 AM

Bush and his fellow travelers, seem he-- bent for leather to present Islam in grand, glorious and flowery language. They are teetering on the edge of 'Separation of Church and State', if indeed they have not already gone over the edge. When does Wicca get it's State Dinner? When does the White House celebrate a solstice, or any days sacred to Wiccans?
This is very unfair to Wiccans. While he continually extols the virtues of Islam, he never says one kind word about Wicca. 'Wicca is the Religion of Peace', ect. This hurts Wiccans feelings. No Wiccan has been known to strap on a bomb and blow up a pizza parlor, and none of the 911 demons was a Wiccan. So Wicca has just as much right to the slogan, 'Wicca is the Religion of Peace', as does Islam. All this makes them feel somewhat ...lesser, in the eye's of Bush, that he put's Islam ahead of Wicca, which is a form of discrimination against Wiccans.
We are watching very weird and psychological word games, word magick, word trickery, taqiyya and kitman from all sides...Someone should ask Bush which religion is most valid, Islam or Wicca? Let him stumble his way through that one...

I am not a Wiccan.....


Bush and his fellow travelers, seem he-- bent for leather to present Islam in grand, glorious and flowery language. They are teetering on the edge of 'Separation of Church and State', if indeed they have not already gone over the edge. When does Wicca get it's State Dinner? When does the White House celebrate a solstice, or any days sacred to Wiccans?
This is very unfair to Wiccans. While he continually extols the virtues of Islam, he never says one kind word about Wicca. 'Wicca is the Religion of Peace', ect. This hurts Wiccans feelings. No Wiccan has been known to strap on a bomb and blow up a pizza parlor, and none of the 911 demons was a Wiccan. So Wicca has just as much right to the slogan, 'Wicca is the Religion of Peace', as does Islam. All this makes them feel somewhat ...lesser, in the eye's of Bush, that he put's Islam ahead of Wicca, which is a form of discrimination against Wiccans.
We are watching very weird and psychological word games, word magick, word trickery, taqiyya and kitman from all sides...Someone should ask Bush which religion is most valid, Islam or Wicca? Let him stumble his way through that one...

I am not a Wiccan.....

Bush and his fellow travelers, seem he-- bent for leather to present Islam in grand, glorious and flowery language. They are teetering on the edge of 'Separation of Church and State', if indeed they have not already gone over the edge. When does Wicca get it's State Dinner? When does the White House celebrate a solstice, or any days sacred to Wiccans?
This is very unfair to Wiccans. While he continually extols the virtues of Islam, he never says one kind word about Wicca. 'Wicca is the Religion of Peace', ect. This hurts Wiccans feelings. No Wiccan has been known to strap on a bomb and blow up a pizza parlor, and none of the 911 demons was a Wiccan. So Wicca has just as much right to the slogan, 'Wicca is the Religion of Peace', as does Islam. All this makes them feel somewhat ...lesser, in the eye's of Bush, that he put's Islam ahead of Wicca, which is a form of discrimination against Wiccans.
We are watching very weird and psychological word games, word magick, word trickery, taqiyya and kitman from all sides...Someone should ask Bush which religion is most valid, Islam or Wicca? Let him stumble his way through that one...

I am not a Wiccan.....


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Posted by: duh_swami [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 11, 2007 12:03 PM

Well maybe I should have posted a few more of those...sorry something was/is stuck...probably strawberry jam in the keyboard again...

Posted by: duh_swami [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 11, 2007 12:06 PM

This would be equivalent to General George Marshal having German aids who belonged to the Nazi party in 1944. Political correctness will be the death of this country both figuratively and literally. When you give spies the key to the file cabinets the war is lost.

Posted by: ironman [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 11, 2007 1:27 PM

Good word, ironman.

Posted by: undaunted [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 11, 2007 3:04 PM

To quote from my own blog, we are facing not just one "Trojan Horse" , but a stable. http://shawmut.blogspot.com/2007/10/trojan-horse-or-stable.html
At what point will we realize that our sovereignty has been run right off the spool?
Will faith supplant our dashed hopes that our children and great grandchildren (in my case neices, nephews and their children) will share the same freedoms that we so ingratiously have taken for granted?
The old New England Blue Laws equate with jay-walking or using a sling-shot on crows compared to what this Islamic terror will bring.

Posted by: Shawmut [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 11, 2007 4:10 PM

A start against this tsunami of p.c. b.s. might be a movement saying:

NO TO POLITICAL ISLAM!

Since nothing more direct seems possible in the current mindset of the distressingly-dhimmified Congress.

If any aspect of Islam can openly be opposed, it would be its "political" thrust.

(You also avoid the kneejerk accusation of "racism" when you narrow the focus of the argument in this manner.)

Most people are naturally cynical of anything "political", it could be an anti-camel's nose under the Big disinformation Tent of Islam.

Any avenue that helps turn this multiculti tide is worth trying.

Posted by: profitsbeard [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 11, 2007 5:49 PM

"Shawmut"? As in the Shawmut Bank, with its soothing symbol of native strength Chief Obbatinewat, a bank which is no more? Just asS. S. Pierce is no more, at least as it once was. And no more is Phillips Books, with those free bookmarks, that came in two versions: one with Emily Dickinson's "There is no frigate like a book to take us lands away" and the other, a different color (one was blue and one was yellow) that was from Milton's Areopagitica: "A good book is the precious life-blood of a master spirit." Gone are the ice wagons, and the ice which one could, at the turn of the century, walk on, all the way from the mainland to the Elizabeth Islands, and even as far as Martha's Vineyard. Gone are Joe and Nemo's, Sally Rand, the West End. Gone is The Boston Evening Transcript. Ubi sunt? Gone, gone, gone.


Why did you choose "Shawmut"? If you don't want to post the answer here, write to me care of Robert.

Posted by: Hugh [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 11, 2007 6:02 PM

"Islam's Trojan Horse, and what to do about it"

Try bribery.

Increase the salary and pension benefits for all members of Congress, Supreme Court and Executives to $10 million per year, with the understanding that they have no private contact with agents of corporate, foreign or any other interests following their terms of office. No lecture tours. No backroom deals. Nothing. Once out of office, out of power and influence. Totally. Put a bounty on those breaching the law.

I'm pretty sure Congress will pass legislation in favor of such a proposal, except for the bounty part.

Total cost: about $10 billion per year.

"A billion here, a billion there. Soon you're talking about real money," Sen. E.M. Dirksen, Illinois

Posted by: Chatillon [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 12, 2007 12:39 PM

From Hugh:

"Make sense of what is going on, and tell everyone you know how, and where, with what books and articles and websites, they too -- whatever their disagreements they may have on everything else (faith or lack of it, taxes, global warming, education, abortion, you name it) -- can go and do likewise."

Amen to that, brother.

Posted by: RalphInfidel [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 12, 2007 3:55 PM

About declassifying islam as a religion, yes, this is a must. It is a small start but it is a start, check Loyalistparty.com
The effort will be made in NYC. Any New Yorkers want to help? Contact the party.

Posted by: firster555 [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 12, 2007 6:26 PM

there are 2 elements of Islam which if gotten the right amount of PR exposure would probably finish it in the western democracies (especially here int he USA).

1-)Islam's "book" the Kuran teaches first degree murder (particualrly so in Suran 9.5 "slay the infidels everywhere...."). FIrst degree murder is a capital crime in most areas of the world not overrun by Islam. Suran 9.5 also teaches Muslms to participate in conspiracy to commit murder and thus become an accessory to first degree murder. Teaching a serious crime in such fasion I believe is "sedition". All of these things are crimes under US law. These criminal aspect of the Islamic "religion" violate Us law and should at least in theory override Constitutional protections for Islam as a "religion". Islam SHOULD actually be classified by the US government as "violent crime'- which it certainly perpetuates enough of.

2-)Islam violates the US Constitution as it can be proven to violate the "Cruel and Unusual" clause of hte US Constitution as it advances such things as a stonings, beheadings, corpse mutilations, ad nauseum. The Constituion opposed Islm in essence.

Posted by: pythagoras [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 15, 2007 2:57 PM

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