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In the lead story in FrontPage this morning I discuss the persecution of Muslims by Muslims (news links in the original):
Islamic jihad violence has captured worldwide attention when focused on unbelievers – in the Twin Towers, as well as in London, Madrid, Bali, and in so many other places. But the jihadists don’t hesitate to target fellow Muslims as well, when they regard them as insufficiently Islamic.The most notorious example of this throughout Islamic history is the Sunni-Shi’ite strife that has broken out in many times and places – and today in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. Sunni suicide killers and Shi’ite death squads have targeted one another since the removal of Saddam Hussein in Iraq. Nor have they hesitated to target holy sites: Sunni jihadists destroyed the tenth-century Shi’ite Al-Askari Mosque in Samarra, Iraq, in a two bombings in 2006 and 2007. Some estimate that 4,000 have been killed in Sunni-Shi’ite strife in Pakistan since the late 1980s, and in Afghanistan, while the Taliban was in power they waged relentless jihad warfare against the Shi’ite Hazaras.
The Qur’an forbids a Muslim to kill a fellow believer intentionally (4:92), but both sides justify these conflicts by appealing to the Islamic practice of takfir: the declaration that, because of some doctrinal deviation, some group of Muslims are not actually Muslims at all, and their blood can lawfully be shed. One of the chief characteristics of modern day Salafist movements – that is, movements to restore the purity of Islam – is their frequent use of takfir and subsequent targeting of those whom everyone in the world except they themselves would regard as their fellow Muslims. This phenomenon is playing out all over the world today, as Wahhabis and other Salafist preachers take an Islamic hardline into areas where a more relaxed cultural Islam has long prevailed. The result is often violent. In fact, the Algerian sociologist Marieme Helie Lucas explains that the controversial term “Islamo-Fascism” was “initially coined by Algerian people struggling for democracy, against armed fundamentalist forces decimating people in our country, then later operating in Europe, where a number of us had taken refuge.” These pro-democracy Algerians were, of course, Muslims – Muslims who were massacred by jihadists in the 1990s for being insufficiently Islamic. Over 150,000 were killed.In November 2003, a Somali journalist named Bashir Goth complained in the Addis Tribune about a group of Islamic clerics, the “Authority for Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice,” who were “trying to impose draconian moral codes on Somaliland citizens.” Goth was himself a Muslim, but he objected to the Wahhabi Islam that Saudi preachers were bringing into Somalia.
Wahhabism, said Goth, was “an austere and closed school of thought,” deviating from the established schools of Islamic jurisprudence. “Wahhabism,” according to Goth, “is the only school that compels its followers strictly to observe Islamic rituals, such as the five prayers, under pain of flogging, and for the enforcement of public morals to a degree unprecedented in the history of Islam.” He characterized it as “a closed mind sect that turned Islam into a fragile creed that lives in constant fear of children’s toys and games such as Barbie dolls and Pokemon.” Wahhabi clerics, Goth noted, were challenging Somali Muslims: “They want to tell us that over the LAST 14 CENTURIES, our people have been practicing the wrong religion; that since the dawn of Islam, Somali people had lived in vain, worshipped in vain and died in vain. God help them, they all will be burned in hell because they did not follow the correct path -- Wahhabism.”
Their devotion to this “correct path” led them to despise numerous manifestations of Somali culture, despite its Islamic character. “These people,” Goth continued, “are out to eradicate our culture, our traditions, our songs, our poetry and our folklore dances….If we let them have their way, these prophets of ‘purity’ would soon be on a mission to destroy what has remained of our culture.” He listed several female Somali singers, warning that “the cassettes of their songs will be burned in the streets. Just remember Taliban.” Goth went on to explain that the jihadists also wanted to eliminate co-ed schools and compel Somali girls to go out only “fully shrouded with black from head to toe.”
The Wahhabi-influenced Islamic Courts Union that held power in Mogadishu for seven months in 2006 bore out Bashir Goth’s fears. It criticized indigenous Somali practices as not sufficiently Islamic. One militia commander, Mohamed Ali Aden, explained: “We’ve neglected God’s verses for so long. We want our women veiled and we want them at home. We men have to grow our beards.” The Courts forbade music (which is prohibited according to strict Islamic law), dancing and soccer within days of taking power. Women began to don Saudi dress, which covered their faces, rather than traditional Somali garb, which did not.
ICU militiamen were ready to enforce Islamic law with an iron fist: after banning all movies and television viewing, jihadists shot and killed two people who were watching a World Cup soccer match in early July. Raids in Mogadishu led to sixty arrests for the crime of movie-watching. Islamic Courts militiamen also raided a wedding reception in Mogadishu because men and women were attending the celebration together and music was playing. “We had warned the family,” explained Sheikh Iise Salad of the ICU, “not to include in their ceremony what is not allowed by the sharia law. This includes the mixing of men and women and playing music. That is why we raided and took their equipment. What was going there was un-Islamic.” In September 2006, the ICU closed down Radio Jowhar, a station in a town about fifty miles from Mogadishu, because it was playing love songs. ICU Sheikh Mohamed Mohamoud Abdirahman explained that the programming was “un-Islamic.” The station was later allowed to return to the airwaves, without music. The Islamic Courts even decreed that Muslims who did not perform the five daily prayers would be executed.
Salafists target Muslims they regard as insufficiently Islamic also in Darfur, where Arab Muslims attack non-Arab Muslims whose Islam is closer to the cultural version that prevailed in Somalia than to Wahhabi austerity. Dr. Hassan Al-‘Audha of the Sudanese Muslim Brotherhood explained in July 2007 that “we are not zealous for this land because of the rivers that flow in it. We are zealous for it because it is the land of Islam.” Another Sudanese leader situation the activities of the brutal Janjaweed militia within the larger struggle of the Muslims against the infidels: “Those scumbags want to play with us? They want to come to the children of Darfur? The children of Darfur will eat them alive. By Allah, there are some ferocious tribes there. They call them Janjaweed, and they want to attack them. There is a tribe called ‘Al-Masiriya.’ Are they men or not? By Allah, when we ride horses and make these battle cries... By Allah, the infidels die of fear. They die of fear.” In 2004, Sudanese President Omar al-Beshir charged that international efforts to aid Darfur were actually targeting Islam. Referring to the 1990s Sudanese jihad against the Christians in the southern part of the country, he said: “The door of the jihad is still open and if it has been closed in the south it will be opened in Darfur.”
That jihad in Darfur features Muslims targeting Muslims. Such episodes, whether in Somalia, Darfur, or anywhere else, emphasize the need for peaceful Muslims to stand up strongly, in deed as well as word, against global jihadist violence. The sword of takfir ought to cut both ways, with peaceful Muslims willing to distinguish themselves from their bloody-minded coreligionists, and to repudiate their murders not just of fellow Muslims but of non-Muslims also.
Meanwhile, Islamic jihadists and Sharia supremacists continue, with increasing confidence and brutality, to impose – violently – their vision of Islam upon their coreligionists.
Posted by Robert at October 19, 2007 5:41 AM
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OMG, Robert:
You are definitely going to get a nasty reaction to this one! They turn on their own as much as they do infidels.
Sad to say, they're going to attack you for the wrong reasons (instead of making them stop to think about their actions) so expect a lot of chest-thumping "rage".
Way to hit a nail on the head.
Kudos!
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at October 19, 2007 5:59 AM
Shem's latest cartoon from the RoP:
http://sheikyermami.com/2007/10/19/friday-night-rpg/
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at October 19, 2007 6:20 AM
Turk nationalists murdered his father for publishing objective information on the genocide of Armenians. Now they convicted his son for the crime that they couldn't tag on his father.
Don't forget: the dhimmi Bush administration has been heavily promoting Turkish membership in the European Union. As did Bush attack France for its ban on Islamic garb in public places.
I knew that goof-one was a dhimmi, when I first heard his "islam is peace" spew on Sept. 16, 2001. Now with the pacifying effects of Shiite ethnic cleansing of Sunnis, being treated as a US military success, Bush has painted America into such a corner that he can't do anything about genocide threats made from Teheran. Between right-wing pseudo triumphalism and leftist surrenderism, the mortal enemies of America have NEVER been so powerful. Bush took America to its knees and the leftists chose to keep it there.
Posted by: supercargo at October 19, 2007 6:22 AM
They kill their own. Here's an interesting article from Reuters India:
REUTERS - The Pakistan government blamed Islamist militants for a grenade and suicide bomb attack early on Friday that killed 133 people as opposition leader Benazir Bhutto drove through masses of supporters in Karachi.
It is the most deadly bomb attack outside Iraq this year.Here is an overview of some of 2007's deadliest bomb attacks, listed in order of death toll.
IRAQ:
-- About 520 people are killed on Aug. 14 when suicide bombers drive two garbage trucks packed with explosives into two villages in northwestern Iraq that are inhabited by minority sect Yazidi.
IRAQ:
-- Multiple car bombings kill 191 people around Baghdad on April 18. The most deadly bomb hits a popular market in the central Sadriya neighbourhood, killing 140 people.
IRAQ:
-- About 152 people are killed when a truck bomb explodes in Tal Afar, close to the Syrian border and the regional capital of Mosul, on March 27.
IRAQ:
-- A truck bomb kills at least 150 people and wounds 250 in a crowded market in the northern town of Tuz Khurmato on July 7.
IRAQ:
-- Truck bomb kills 135 people and wounds 305 at a market in the Sadriya quarter of central Baghdad on Feb. 3.
PAKISTAN:
-- A suspected suicide bomber kills 133 people as crowds gather to greet former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto in Karachi on Oct. 19 as she returns from eight years of self-imposed exile.
© Reuters2007 All rights reserved
at October 19, 2007 6:28 AM
This does not suprise me. If they are not afraid to kill non-Moslems, for not being Moslims, they are not afraid to kill there own.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at October 19, 2007 6:44 AM
sheik yer'mami,
What from what I have seen in the newspaper cartoon, it looks like that jihadists will kill for the moon-rock god they worship.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at October 19, 2007 6:46 AM
...Islam is a thrill kill machine...anyone following this "religion" should not be allowed into any free country....Ban Muslim Immigration
Posted by: exsgtbrown at October 19, 2007 6:49 AM
Ya mean al-lah? (actual correct spelling of the pagan moon god name that ubu'l kassim morphed into "allah" & started his death cult).
at October 19, 2007 6:49 AM
One of the very finest posts, supercargo.
"Between right-wing pseudo triumphalism and leftist surrenderism, the mortal enemies of America have NEVER been so powerful. Bush took America to its knees and the leftists chose to keep it there."
WOW!! Think of Iraq as a classic goof ball comedy.
"The revenge of the bumpkins".
And I mean this in a kind way, Bush does come across as a very innocent country yokel. His supporters too. Very unknowing about.....well....everything really.
Islam in particular, but not only islam. Most everything.
Take "Operation Iraqi Freedom". Surely as naive an idea as it's possible to construct.
The whole premise was We'll give 'em domocracy and they'll in turn become just like us, Westerners who live in a great big sandbox
Because - and this is the underlying logic to the whole silly Iraqi enterprise- we're all the same really. It's a line that'd shame a Carpenters lyric. Such innocence. Such lack of understanding of human nature.
Read some of the posters on JW who support the delightfully farcical Iraqi venture and you'll get that same wide eyed innocence.
Most of the comments from them are postively delightfully naive. Like a character from one of Beatrix Potters stories.
Naive to the N'th degree. And then some.
Posted by: ewha1 at October 19, 2007 6:51 AM
supercargo,
But thanks for excellent websites such as JW/DW, Daniel Pipes, Little Green Footballs, MichealeMalkin, ete., more of the REAL TRUTH about Islam is getting out to non-Muslims.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at October 19, 2007 6:52 AM
Also this does not suprise me, since also the allah the Muslims worship is REALLY Satan the Devil and the moon-rock god in Mecca.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at October 19, 2007 6:57 AM
This is slightly off topic, but I always wondered why women had to be dressed from head to toe specifically in black, especially in these places where it's insanely hot much of the year. The men are usually dressed in heat reflecting white.
Posted by: dr. mabuse at October 19, 2007 7:04 AM
", some group of Muslims are not actually Muslims at all,..."
....how can you tell if a Muslim is not Muslim enough?.....oh yeah...he is the one blown up the the "real" Muslims...
...Leave Islam now....
Posted by: exsgtbrown at October 19, 2007 7:08 AM
. . . I always wondered why women had to be dressed from head to toe specifically in black, especially in these places where it's insanely hot much of the year. . .
Posted by: dr. mabuse at October 19, 2007 7:04 AM
Probably to make them suffer.
Posted by: j_not_a at October 19, 2007 8:02 AM
"Between right-wing pseudo triumphalism and leftist surrenderism, the mortal enemies of America have NEVER been so powerful. Bush took America to its knees and the leftists chose to keep it there."
Ahem, who put those nutcases in power? Wasn't that you, the American electorate?
Why is it, that quite everybody in Europe could see, that they were nutcases, right from the start?
Posted by: Swissy at October 19, 2007 8:05 AM
". I always wondered why women had to be dressed from head to toe specifically in black, especially in these places where it's insanely hot much of the year. . .
Posted by: dr. mabuse at October 19, 2007 7:04 AM
......well....they do live in the 7th century and they are terrified of clothing designers such as:......
A A.F. Vandevorst Abaete
Academy of Art Adeline Andre
Akris Alberta Ferretti
Alessandro Dell'Acqua Alexander McQueen
Alexander Wang Alexandre Herchcovitch
Alfred Fiandaca Alice + Olivia
Alice Ritter Alice Roi
Alice Temperley Allegra Hicks
Alvin Valley Amanda Wakeley
Amsale Anait Bian
Anand Jon Andrew Gn
Angel Sanchez Ann Demeulemeester
Ann-Sofie Back Anna Molinari
Anna Sui Anne Barge
Anne Bowen Anne Klein
Anne Valerie Hash Aquascutum
Araks Armand Basi
Ashish N Soni Ashley Isham
Asprey Atil Kutoglu
adam+eve agnès b.
B B-Rude BCBG Max Azria
Baby Phat Badgley Mischka
Balenciaga Balmain
Band of Outsiders Barbara Bui
Basso & Brooke Behnaz Sarafpour
Belstaff Ben de Lisi
Benjamin Cho Berardi
Betsey Johnson Betty Jackson
Biba Bill Blass
Blue Khaki Blumarine
Bob Mackie Bonaparte
Boss Hugo Boss Bottega Veneta
Boudicca Brian Reyes
Bruce Bruno Pieters
Buckler Burberry Prorsum
Byblos b michael
C Cacharel Calvin Klein
Carlos Miele Carmen Marc Valvo
Carolina Herrera Cat Swanson
Catherine Malandrino Celine
Cerruti Chado Ralph Rucci
Chaiken ChanPaul
Chanel Charles Alexander
Charles Nolan Charlotte Ronson
Child Magazine Chloe
Chompol Serimont Christian Dior
Christian Lacroix Christina Perrin
Christopher Kane Christos
Clare Tough Clements Ribeiro
Cloak Collette Dinnigan
Comme des Garcons Costello Tagliapietra
Costume National Custo Barcelona
Cynthia Rowley Cynthia Steffe
D DDC Lab Daks
Dana Buchman Danielle Scutt
David Chu David Rodriguez
Dennis Basso Derek Lam
Diane von Furstenberg Diego Binetti
Diesel Dolce & Gabbana
Donna Karan Doo.Ri
Doro Olowu Douglas Hannant
Dries Van Noten Dsquared2
Duckie Brown
E Eley Kishimoto Elie Saab
Elise Overland Elizabeth Filmore
Ellen Tracy Ellus
Emanuel Ungaro Emilio Cavallini
Emilio Pucci Emma Cook
Erdem Erin Fetherston
Esteban Cortazar Etro
Everett Hall
F Fashion East Fause Haten
Fendi Francis Hendy
Fusha
G Gareth Pugh Gaspard Yurkievich
Gen Art Gene Meyer
Ghost Giambattista Valli
Gianfranco Ferré Giles Deacon
Giorgio Armani Girls Rule!
Givenchy Gottex
Grey Ant Gucci
Gustavo Arango Guy Laroche
H Habitual Haider Ackermann
Halston Hamish Morrow
Haneza Harmon
Heart Truth Heatherette
Helmut Lang Henry Holland
Hermes Holly Kristen
Hollywould Hong Kong Designers
House of Field Hussein Chalayan
I Iceberg Iisli
Imitation of Christ Isaac Mizrahi
Issa Issey Miyake
J J. Lindeberg J. Mendel
James Coviello Jared Gold
Jasmin Shokrian Jason Bunin
Jason Wu Jasper Conran
Jay McCarroll Jayson Brunsdon
Jean Paul Gaultier Jeffrey Chow
Jenni Kayne Jennifer Lopez
Jennifer Nicholson Jens Laugesen
Jeremy Laing Jeremy Scott
Jil Sander Jill Stuart
Jiwon Park Joanna Mastroianni
John Bartlett John Galliano
John Richmond John Rocha
John Varvatos Jonathan Saunders
Joseph Abboud Josh Goot
Jovovich-Hawk Juan Anon
Julien Macdonald Junya Watanabe
K Kai Kuhne Karen Walker
Karl Lagerfeld Katayone Adeli
Katy Rodriguez Keanan Duffty
Kenneth Cole Kenneth Pool
Kris Van Assche Krizia
L L.A.M.B. Lacoste
Lady Enyce Lanvin
Lazaro Lela Rose
Libertine Lilly Pulitzer
Liz Collins & Gary Graham Lloyd Klein
Louis Vuitton Louise Goldin
Louise Gray Luca Luca
Luella Bartley Lutz
Lyn Devon
M Malo Manuel
Manuel Fernandez Marc Bouwer
Marc Ecko Marc Jacobs
Marchesa Marie Marie
Marios Schwab Marithe + Francois Girbaud
Mark Kroeker Mark Montano
Marni Martin Grant
Martin Margiela Mary Ping
Matthew Earnest Matthew Williamson
Max Mara Michael & Hushi
Michael Kors Michael Soheil
Michael Wesetly Michon Schur
Miguel Adrover Miguel Peña
Miharayasuhiro Milla Design Group
Milly Missoni
Modernist Monique Lhuillier
Morgane Le Fay Moschino
N Naeem Khan Nanette Lepore
Narciso Rodriguez Nathan Jenden
Nautica Neil Barrett
Nicole Farhi Nicole Miller
Nina Ricci Noir
Noki
O Oakley Oliver Christian Herold
Oscar de la Renta Ozwald Boateng
P PPQ Pamella Roland
Paul & Joe Paul Smith
Paula Hian Perry Ellis
Peter Jensen Peter Som
Phat Farm Phi
Phillip Lim Pierrot
Ports 1961 Prada & Miu Miu
Preen Pringle of Scotland
Private Proenza Schouler
Project Alabama Project Runway Designers
R Rachel Comey Rachel Roy
Raf Simons Raika D
Ralph Lauren Rebecca Taylor
Reem Acra Requiem
Reyes Richard Chai
Richard Nicoll Richard Tyler
Rick Owens Rifat Ozbek
Roberto Cavalli Roberto Menichetti
Rocawear Rock & Republic
Rodarte Rodnik
Roksanda Ilincic Roland Mouret
Romeo Gigli Ron Chereskin
Rosa Cha Ruffian
Rushkin rag & bone
S Sabyasachi Salvatore Ferragamo
Sandoval Sandy Dalal
Sari Gueron Sass & Bide
Sean John Sebastian Pons
Shin Choi Sinha-Stanic
Sistahs Harlem New York Sonia Rykiel
Sophia Kokosalaki Sportmax
Stella McCartney Stephen Burrows
Strenesse Sue Stemp
T TSE Taiza
Temperley Tess Giberson
Thakoon Panichgul Thierry Mugler
Thom Browne ThreeAsFour
Tibi Tocca
Todd Lynn Tomer
Tommy Hilfiger Toni Maticevski
Tory Burch Tracy Reese
Trovata Trussardi
Tuleh Twinkle
U Unconditional Undercover
United Bamboo
V VPL Valentin Yudashkin
Valentino Vasseur-Esquivel
Vena Cava Venexiana
Vera Wang Veronique Branquinho
Verrier Versace
Viktor & Rolf Vionnet
Vivienne Tam Vivienne Westwood
W William Reid Willow
Wink Wunderkind
Y Y & Kei Y-3
Yeohlee Yigal Azrouel
Yohji Yamamoto Yves St. Laurent
Z Zac Posen Zaldy
Zang Toi Zero Maria Cornejo
at October 19, 2007 8:28 AM
Why is it, that quite everybody in Europe could see, that they were nutcases, right from the start? Posted by: Swissy
Ah, but was it for the right reasons?
(Given how many times Europe appears on Dhimmi Watch, I'd venture that the answer is "no".)
Posted by: Audacity at October 19, 2007 8:37 AM
Excellent essay Robert. It hits home the point that individual interpretation of what is "true" Islam is rampant in the Islamic community and that no one is immune from violently agressive and intolerant interpretations.
Swissy wrote:
"Why is it, that quite everybody in Europe could see, that they were nutcases, right from the start?"
Was that statemenmt really necessary and are you inherently informed of the perceptions of "quite everybody" in Europe?
Posted by: awake at October 19, 2007 8:39 AM
Well, one doesn't stop psychopathic murderers just because there isn't an infidel around. islam breeds murderers - just as long as they don't 'shirk' - everything will be ok in the world with them. (for an explanation of 'shirk' go to blogging the koran and do a search of it)
Nothing surprises me anymore with muslim behavior, especially after they do such atrocities to their fellow human beings and then they don't miss a heartbeat in claiming they are the victims. Of course the are the victims but they are looking to the wrong ones to whine to - they need to go to the source they need to go to their bullies - mohammed and allah.
Posted by: R_not at October 19, 2007 10:03 AM
"Ahem, who put those nutcases in power? Wasn't that you, the American electorate?
Why is it, that quite everybody in Europe could see, that they were nutcases, right from the start?"
Posted by: Swissy
Two comments: (1)It's funny that the Europeans can't see their own nutcases, busy denying that there is any moslem problem in Europe, denying the massive criminal activity of the moslems in Europe, busy granting all the moslem demands for special privileges, busy smearing any non-moslem European who suggests that there is a problem. Yes, Europe has plenty of its own nutcases, in Sweden, Norway, the Netherlands, Britain, France, and elsewhere.
(2) In both 2000 and 2004, the "nutcase" Bush was opposed by a "nuttier-case" to coin a phrase. In 2000, it was Gore, with his fantasy of global warming and his dismal record as supporter of all the Clinton shenanigans and lies. In 2004 it was Kerry, with his phony Purple Hearts and his phony "have-it-both-ways" war record. So, in each election, the American electorate chose the less nutty of the two.
at October 19, 2007 10:05 AM
Sweet a religion that hates others and itself, sweet, where do I sign up?
Posted by: Stinkyinfidel at October 19, 2007 10:21 AM
Start from the beginning - islam is just evil to the core.
It begins with Jew and Christian hatred and is forbidden to let up. Its political reformers cannot get past the Gordian knot of its constipation: its inability to fess up, to moderate or to change.
To all you muslims out there who want to be good and free, am afraid there is little hope except leaving the cesspool that is islam. If you come forward and try and effect change, you will receive support and honour from us for your cahones. But the islam currs will come after you and you will have to fear for your life and that of your family.
Your best hope is that we are successful in culling and destroying the jihadi herd so you can be heard.
For now, keep those jihadi scum coming, for the best jihadi, because they hate and want to kill us, is a dead one.
Posted by: dgene at October 19, 2007 10:29 AM
"...But the jihadists don’t hesitate to target fellow Muslims as well, when they regard them as insufficiently Islamic".
A similar mind-set was at work in the later stages of the French Revolution and other movements that have sought ideological "purity". The Muslim Jihadists will mass murder in the style of Pol Pot if they have their way. The will to control others (rooted in a demented insecurity) is inhuman with such "people". No one should ever underestimate the pathology at work in this matter. It is beyond sick.
Posted by: Frank at October 19, 2007 10:36 AM
I've decided to quit calling this bunch "the peaceful ones" and start calling them the Destroyers for they really do destroy everything-people, families, nations and even one another as this article shows all too well. They just can't help themselves-the Koran commands them to destroy whatever will not submit or convert. The Destroyers claim that the world will be at peace if they capture the world but apparently only stupid infidels seem to know better than to believe that fairy tale. A global victory for Islamania will mean only one thing-the bloodiest conflict to crown the most pious Islamaniac the world will have ever seen.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at October 19, 2007 11:50 AM
dr. mabuse,
Another reason the women wear black: it distinguishes the sexes, maybe making it harder for them to co-mingle in public. Black and white walking side by side had better be members of the same family.
Posted by: PMK at October 19, 2007 11:51 AM
"A global victory for Islamania will mean only one thing-the bloodiest conflict to crown the most pious Islamaniac the world will have ever seen."
Totally worth it though don't you think?
at October 19, 2007 12:00 PM
"A global victory for Islamania will mean only one thing-the bloodiest conflict to crown the most pious Islamaniac the world will have ever seen."
Totally worth it though don't you think?
Posted by: Stinkyinfidel at October 19, 2007 12:00 PM
Certainly. Illah would then get what he always deserved-a pile of rubble and no more followers.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at October 19, 2007 12:05 PM
There are some encouraging signs here and there, but I'm just waiting for rest of the world to really say enough is enough already.
Posted by: Stinkyinfidel at October 19, 2007 12:14 PM
To expect anything else from the followers of a dry land pirate is lunacy in and of it's self
Posted by: ironman at October 19, 2007 12:58 PM
To expect anything else from the followers of a dry land pirate is lunacy in and of it's self
Posted by: ironman at October 19, 2007 12:58 PM
Robert
You correctly label it here as Islamic bigotry, but why does FPM call it Islamo-Fascist bigotry, when that word doesn't appear anywhere in your article?
Posted by: Infidel Pride at October 19, 2007 1:32 PM
"The Destroyers claim that the world will be at peace if they capture the world but apparently only stupid infidels seem to know better than to believe that fairy tale. A global victory for Islamania will mean only one thing-the bloodiest conflict to crown the most pious Islamaniac the world will have ever seen."
Gee, that seems an awful like what happens in the Star Wars saga when the Sith take-over. Muslims=Sith....sounds about right!!!(but without cool lightsabers and Vader)
at October 19, 2007 1:49 PM
“Read some of the posters on JW who support the delightfully farcical Iraqi venture and you'll get that same wide eyed innocence.
Most of the comments from them are positively delightfully naive. Like a character from one of Beatrix Potters stories.
Naive to the N'th degree. And then some.”
Posted by: ewha1
Yeah, I know, sort of like the following:
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights…”
“Give me liberty or give me death…”
“…freedom of speech…” “…right of the people peaceably to assemble…”
“An honest man has permission to stop fighting tyranny when he stops breathing”
Silly, well meaning fools. This stuff never works – we know so much more than these guys now. Doesn’t work in THIS special situation, I mean ALL of this stuff is SO PASSE. Foolish (but good natured) bumpkins - Naive to the Nth degree. And then some!!
Posted by: Davegreybeard at October 19, 2007 2:24 PM
Excellent article.
Posted by: traeh at October 19, 2007 2:33 PM
Davegreybeard, it's becoming clear that you are a sarcastic provocatuer because no one could be that naive.
Wait... there is the President, so maybe you are unaware of what's going on.
Posted by: Charles Bogle at October 19, 2007 2:56 PM
O.K. Charles Bogle (aware of what's going on),
What is your idea of how to deal with Islam and the Jihads?
Posted by: Davegreybeard at October 19, 2007 3:10 PM
Somehow I can't feel sorry for either Sunnis or Shi’ites. Each calls the other Apostates, and each follows the mandate of Islam to kill Apostates.
And when Sunnis and Shi'ites aren't killing one another, they mutilate, stone, and kill within their own sects.
Theological differences between Sunnis and Shi’ites isn't the reason that they kill one another. They kill because they are both in perfect agreement with Islamic theology that sanctions the atrocities they commit against all non-Muslims. One sect simply declares the other sect non-Muslim, and they get the same treatment as all other infidels.
There'll be and end to sectarian violence when there's an end to Islam.
at October 19, 2007 4:43 PM
"Sunni suicide killers and Shi’ite death squads have targeted one another since the removal of Saddam Hussein in Iraq"....from headline.
Muslims killing Muslims -- makes you wonder which side allah is on. Although allah is probably on both sides because it maximizes the blood shed this evil god is after.
Posted by: champ at October 19, 2007 5:24 PM
Well, what do they expect, champ?
I mean...when they have a messiah prophesied to emerge from the depths of the earth...ooops, I mean "a well" to "save them"...that comes as a really REALLY big clue to us who see it for what it is... but not them.
lol
Posted by: jcom972 at October 19, 2007 10:28 PM
I shall add to my discussions of Islam, with other Infidels, the fact that not only do they kill unbelievers, they kill fellow Muslims who disagree with them. What is it about this religion that produces this result? Food for thought.
Meanwhile the Charles Bogle (aware of what’s going on) plan for defeating Jihad is??
Missing in action??
at October 20, 2007 12:15 AM
So, it could come down to one True Believer Muslim declaring all other Muslims to be "non-Muslims" because they didn't follow Islam as strictly as he did, and he could then justify killing all Muslims, as "infidels"?
Great religion you got their, Mohammedans.
Any madman can start killing you if he thinks he's purer than you are.
Straitjackets to Mecca!
STAT.
Posted by: profitsbeard at October 20, 2007 1:20 AM
Wonderful of you, DGB to quote such famous....erm.....quotes.
Quote le one"all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights…”
Yup. Great words. This is the stuff that's made America a truly great great nation.
Unfortunately, neither Iraq nor Afghan have anything remotely similar in their constitutions. And you know why that is? It's the little, wee thing in their constitutions about the Koran being the foundation. Nothing can contradict the Koran. If you look real close at the US's constitution you'll probably find it doesn't mention the Koran all that much. Sorry to be a bit of a pedant an' all.
Quote deuxiemeGive me liberty or give me death…
Well, here, the Koran has almost the exact same words.
"Give me death rather than liberty"
Something like that. Sorry for being the pedant again. I know it's just ONE different word. It almost has the same meaning. Almost.
Un Quote le trois:…freedom of speech…” “…right of the people peaceably to assemble…”
But davey ole bean, Iraq and Afghan have constitutions based on the Koran - I think I may have mentioned this before-
This isn't rocket science, ole chap.
This rules out both of the above quotes. Both of 'em. Marvelous though they are. I know, I'm being pernickety aren't I.
Quote le four:“An honest man has permission to stop fighting tyranny when he stops breathing”
But davey ole chap, honest men are dying in Iraq and Afghanistan so that the local Johnny Foreigners can live under with islamic based constitution. So that quote is the exact opposite of what you're supporting in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The Iraqis and Afghans were given freedom and immediately wanted to live under Islamic law.
So you just go to add further proof about Bush and the "Operation Iraqi Freedom" supporters being incredibly naive, parochial bumpkins. Loveable and wildly optimistic, mind.
Affable innocents from Yokel land.
Oooooooo Aaaaaaaaaah. Get oooooorf moy laarnd
Posted by: ewha1 at October 20, 2007 3:08 AM
Thanks for the love, ewha1.
Seriously, do you advocate turning over Iraq and Afghanistan to whichever group of Jihadi jackals proves to be the most efficiently murderous?
If so, what would you expect from these regions after the dust settles?
If not what would you replace the present (admittedly flawed) representative democracy with?
From an incredibly naïve, wildly optimistic, lovable, parochial bumpkin.
at October 20, 2007 12:21 PM
Muslims massacring other Muslims is something that is actually instructed by the Kuran. Muslims, believe it or not, are supposed to kill each other according to the Kuran! I do not make this up (trust me, I COULDN'T!) or exaggerate.
Ali Sina's website had an extensive article about this a few years ago.
Thus the carnage that is taking place in the Islamic nations as militant Muslims slaughter less militant Muslims is part of Islamic dogma and history.
Posted by: pythagoras at October 20, 2007 4:11 PM
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