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That's what the jihad is about -- imposing Islamic law. From Israel Today:
A leading Israeli Arab Muslim cleric said at the weekend that the Jewish state will very soon cease to exist and the whole of the country will come under Sharia (strict Islamic) law as another piece in the puzzle to reconstituting the Islamic Caliphate.
Indeed. "Palestine" is only a means to an end -- a "no-state solution," if you will, where nationalism is concerned.
In an interview with a local Arabic-language newspaper, Sheikh Kamal Khatib, deputy head of northern Israel's Islamic Movement, insisted that the world is "on the threshold of a new era. The future belongs to Islam and the Muslims."
Khatib said that in preparation for the coming Islamic takeover, Muslims who hold Israeli citizenship like himself should begin to actively rebel against the state by refusing to cooperate with and forming alternatives to the Israeli authorities.
Sedition. Is anyone in Tel Aviv listening?
Also at the weekend, Khatib's boss, Sheikh Raed Salah denounced current peace negotiations leading to a two-state solution to the Israeli-Arab conflict as an "evil Israeli scheme." Salah, who is also an Israeli citizen, has long maintained that that Muslim world must not recognize Israel's right to exist.
Posted by Marisol at October 23, 2007 7:14 AM
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Narrator: [while brutally beating Angel Face] I felt like putting a bullet between the eyes of every Panda that wouldn't screw to save its species. I wanted to open the dump valves on oil tankers and smother all the French beaches I'd never see. I wanted to breathe smoke.
Posted by: GrennBeck
at October 23, 2007 7:40 AM
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One of the project's volunteers suggested contacting Rep. Sue Myrick, who started the Anti-Jihad Caucus in Congress. When we reach the goal of having all 100 senators covered, I'll call Rep. Myrick's office and see if she can help. I've called several congressional offices to get advice on how best to proceed.
Posted by: traeh
at October 23, 2007 7:41 AM
Anybody watching this revolting 'Inside Islam' rubbish on the history channel?
Unbelievable, hardcore da'awa, all the usual suspects proselytizing, its unreal.
The old hijabbed and truth challenged CAIR shill Levkovic is also in it, as well as some of the bearded freaks who call themselves imam's in America.
Its like allowing Goebbles personally to do propaganda during a time of war in the US. Or allowing the polit-bureau in the Cuban crisis to make commie- promo-movies.
This is truly the age of stupid! We are insane, the world has gone mad...
Posted by: sheik yer'mami
at October 23, 2007 7:55 AM
"Khatib said that in preparation for the coming Islamic takeover, Muslims who hold Israeli citizenship like himself should begin to actively rebel against the state by refusing to cooperate with and forming alternatives to the Israeli authorities."
...to all who think you can negotiate with Muslims....think again....
Ban Muslim Immigration...
Posted by: exsgtbrown
at October 23, 2007 8:00 AM
My vote for THE oxymoron of the 21st Century.
Israeli Arab Muslem Cleric
The upcoming meeting in Annapolis must be scaring the beejeebies out of the entire Islamic world. It is becoming increasing obvious that they are scared to death that something could actually be resovled for good or bad and that it would rob them of their sympathy card. We even heard from UBL.
Heaven forbid they should not be able to wave the Palestine "tradgedy" (sic) in the faces of the West.
I only hope the Israelis and the USA don't give away the farm in hopes of satisfying the insatiable.
Posted by: Aunt Bea
at October 23, 2007 8:28 AM
sheik yer'mami:
Its like allowing Goebbles personally to do propaganda during a time of war in the US. Or allowing the polit-bureau in the Cuban crisis to make commie- promo-movies.
Indeed. I hope by now everyone realises that Communists were rank amateurs at propaganda. Muslims are the true masters at propaganda.
They are silky smooth. They are past masters at uttering half-truths or quarter-truths or even bare-faced lies to any questions that liberals have in their minds about Islam. "There there, all is well, go back to sleep.". It is like Kaa.
Posted by: UK Infidel Lover
at October 23, 2007 8:33 AM
She'll be right mate, they're just expressing an opinion, a religious law sanctioned by allaH through the last prophet of all times, the merciful and all knowing. Dhimmitude is a protected state of being, Jews will finally be at peace, allaH is all knowing so to deny this greatness provided by allaH is a serious affront to the liberties offered to those who insanely reject it. So as good muslims those who deny and reject will rightfully be butchered and slain in the name of the most merciful allaH, the beautiful and glorious soldiers for allaH will uphold the rightful pass to continue the practice of barbarism and scornful righteousness representing the most merciful all giving and all knowing and the rest of the utter madness and garbage that is this evil ideology. Mad indeed. I thank you all for the opportunity given to me to run completely off the rails...
Posted by: eloivsdiablo
at October 23, 2007 8:39 AM
UK Infidel Lover - communists had no god to help them. Muslims have their god satan to help them move their agenda forward.
Posted by: pvb
at October 23, 2007 8:40 AM
Time for mossad to pay this cleric a little visit.
Posted by: DaveMate
at October 23, 2007 8:41 AM
Long ago someone kept saying that if things kept going the way they were Israel would simply be voted out of existence by its Muslim citizens. The man was labeled a crackpot and worse in his day but the events of recent years have shown that Meir Kahane was quite a visionary. The jihadists realized that long ago too-that's why they killed him. Had Kahane lived long enough he might have prevented Israel's slow descent into national suicide that we are seeing today.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS
at October 23, 2007 8:52 AM
"Indeed. "Palestine" is only a means to an end -- a "no-state solution," if you will, where nationalism is concerned."
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Exactly! These Muslims aren't even real Palestinians but have usurped that identity as a political tactic.
A mere century ago, the term "Palestinian" was defined as "a person of Christian, Jewish, or Samaritan ancestry native to the Holy Land" (1898 Encyclopedia Britannica). The local Muslims were defined as "Arabs" or "Turks" never as Palestinians.
It's time not for a two-state solution but for a three-state solution. Jewish Israel with its vibrant Christian minority, a Christian Palestine in Bethlehem, Ramallah, and the Nazareth triangle, with a large Jewish presence and confederated with Israel. The third state is Jordan to which ALL the Muslims should be relocated.
Posted by: Provoslavni
at October 23, 2007 9:49 AM
Yes, this is sedition. Our "leaders" like Olmert refuse to recognize that formerly loyal Arab citizens increasingly feel compelled to align themselves with our enemies because our gov't seems hell-bent on destroying this country. This does have the benefit of weeding out the fairweather friends from the truely loyal citizens but that benefit is hardly worth it.
Of course the only way to reverse the trend is 1. for Olmert and company-- and their successors-- to recognize that this country [Israel] is in a war for survival whether we want to be or not and 2. when citizens propagandize for the enemy they should be treated no differently than any other person who in time of war acts as a fifth columnist.
My gut reaction is to suggest that this "cleric's" head be placed on a stake as a warning to others but perhaps this is a bit TOO harsh?
Posted by: MosheC
at October 23, 2007 10:07 AM
Yes, this is sedition. Our "leaders" like Olmert refuse to recognize that formerly loyal Arab citizens increasingly feel compelled to align themselves with our enemies because our gov't seems hell-bent on destroying this country. This does have the benefit of weeding out the fairweather friends from the truely loyal citizens but that benefit is hardly worth it.
Of course the only way to reverse the trend is 1. for Olmert and company-- and their successors-- to recognize that this country [Israel] is in a war for survival whether we want to be or not and 2. when citizens propagandize for the enemy they should be treated no differently than any other person who in time of war acts as a fifth columnist.
My gut reaction is to suggest that this "cleric's" head be placed on a stake as a warning to others but perhaps this is a bit TOO harsh?
Posted by: MosheC
at October 23, 2007 10:08 AM
Yes, this is sedition. Our "leaders" like Olmert refuse to recognize that formerly loyal Arab citizens increasingly feel compelled to align themselves with our enemies because our gov't seems hell-bent on destroying this country. This does have the benefit of weeding out the fairweather friends from the truely loyal citizens but that benefit is hardly worth it.
Of course the only way to reverse the trend is 1. for Olmert and company-- and their successors-- to recognize that this country [Israel] is in a war for survival whether we want to be or not and 2. when citizens propagandize for the enemy they should be treated no differently than any other person who in time of war acts as a fifth columnist.
My gut reaction is to suggest that this "cleric's" head be placed on a stake as a warning to others but perhaps this is a bit TOO harsh?
Posted by: MosheC
at October 23, 2007 10:09 AM
"Khatib said that in preparation for the coming Islamic takeover, Muslims who hold Israeli citizenship like himself should begin to actively rebel against the state by refusing to cooperate with and forming alternatives to the Israeli authorities."
He no longer feels constrained by necessity (darura) to cooperate with Israeli authorities. This is the result of spineless islam-appeasing behavior by the Israeli government, (and the US, the UN, the Europeans...) over decades.
at October 23, 2007 10:28 AM
Wow...more and more, bolder and bolder they're getting in their declarations of war.
Don't they think they should first face the reality that Israel isn't simply going to let them walk in the front door?
"When someone says they're going to exterminate you, believe them." (Benjamin Netanyahu)
Posted by: jcom972
at October 23, 2007 10:29 AM
MosheC,
What about the Israeli leaders who are letting this happen? Haven't they betrayed Israel?
Have the Israeli people drawn a line in the sand or is peace at any price their goal? Israelis may be tired of fighting and only want to live in peace but is that possible?
at October 23, 2007 10:38 AM
PMK:
Our gov't is democratic in form but dictatorial in practice. What the voters what no longer matters to the gov't. The PM even put a rule on he books that he no longer needs a majority to maintain his gov't and he can unilaterally veto any act of Knesset.
Posted by: MosheC
at October 23, 2007 11:05 AM
MosheC,
The Christian Palestinians with whom I associate all tell me that Netanyahu should beat Olmert by a landslide. I hope this is not just wishful thinking on their part. In truth they don't really trust Netanyahu either since they remember that he "sold out" (their words) the Jews and few remaining Christians in Hebron. However, they think that Liberman can't win and don't really trust him since he joined Olmert's cabinet.
They also say that too many Israeli Jews are stupidly following the path of trying to accommodate the Muslims. The Christians already followed that foolish path and have virtually been exterminated from Ramallah, Bethlehem and even Nazareth. The remaining Christians are finally waking up. Let's hope that the majority of Israeli Jews will face the reality of the Muslim threat lest they suffer the same fate as the Palestinian Christians.
Posted by: Provoslavni
at October 23, 2007 12:19 PM
MosheC: You may remember me from a few weeks ago when we exchanged posts. You averred then something to the effect that many Israeli Arabs can be trusted to be loyal to the Israeli state. My final post to you said something to the effect that I thought Israeli-Arab Christians could be relied upon, but that most Israeli-Arab Muslims should be held suspect because their religion, as seems with Muslims everywhere, trumps all. Also, again it seems with Muslims everywhere there are so-called "moderate" Muslims who are, in effect, fence sitters and will go with whomever the victor is. In short, they're pretty much clueless, gutless and useless. I would be interested to know approximately what percentage of Israeli-Arab Muslims you think would stick with Israel as long as Israel is prepared to never stop fighting for its existence. You have first-hand knowledge that I don't and thus I value your assessments. Thanks and hope you are well.
Posted by: Wellington
at October 23, 2007 1:24 PM
Wellington:
What frustrates me is tat until very recently Muslim citizens of this country COULD be trusted because 1. they had felt that this State protected Islam by allowing them to practice it freely and openly and 2. they would be treated as collaborators if this country's enemies took over. In other words, they faced death if our enemies win and could say that Islam was sponsored by the gov't so that being Israeli was religiously not a problem. What the gov't's suicidal policies are doing is forcing those Muslim citizens who think our gov't wants to surrender to try and "prove" hey're not collaborators.
It's not I think that Islam trumps all in this case but that if this country won't fight to maintain itself then they have to do something to try and stay alive.
Keep in mind that the Muslims in this area had to choose in 1948 whether to follow the Islamic supremacists and leave "temporarily" so we could all be killed the more easily or throw in their lot with the Jews to make a free country. Those who rejected freedom and chose "Islam ueber alles" became "Palestinians". Those who chose Israeli citizenship publicly chose freedom over the idea that a land once ruled by Islam must always be. To the Islamic supremacists, our Muslim citizens were and are therefore traitors to Islam. It's on that point that I base my contention that Muslim citizens could for the most part be trusted. From what I've seen, it still mostly holds true. Most Israeli Muslims are more scared of what will happen if our enemies win than we are. Unfortunately when the gov't doesn't WANT to survive, this makes Israeli Muslims look for another option, the most obvious being to attempt to be taken back into the fold of "Islam ueber alles".
Posted by: MosheC
at October 23, 2007 2:30 PM
Wellington:
Please note though that the Christian "Palestinians" are "Palestinans" first--i.e., our enmies-- and Christians second. Christian Arabs have a habit of helping Muslim arabs even when the latter persecute and kill them.
Posted by: MosheC
at October 23, 2007 2:37 PM
MosheC: Thanks for your responses. Your biggest concern clearly seems to be the possibility that the Israeli state no longer has as much, if any, desire to defend itself, to fight for its existence. I take it this is the thinking of a majority of Israelis, that a certain despair has set in that those in charge of Israel's fate are neither competent nor passionate enough to insure its future. Did the raid on that Syrian facility last month change anyone's mind about Olmert's willingness to be tough or is that just looked upon as an isolated incident? And what of the future and who will lead Israel? Will it be Netanyahu? Sharansky? Who? And when? One last question: Is there a sense in Israel that it is just a matter of time before the IDF again takes on Hezbollah in Lebanon and that if and when it happens it must be a complete victory for Israel this time?
Posted by: Wellington
at October 23, 2007 3:35 PM
MosheC,
If you look at the dhimmis that get all the media attention: Hanan Ashrawi, Azmi Bishara etc. one could get the wrong idea that the Christian "Palestinians" are "Palestinans" first--i.e., our enmies-- and Christians second. However that has not been my experience living among them. In fact, those from Ramallah and Bethlehem are downright jealous of those with Israeli citizenship. It is true that Israeli policy toward these Christians has been shortsighted, especially in the Galil, and there is much exclusion of Christians from Israeli politics. Just look at the passports of Christian Israeli citizens that labels them as Palestinian and their exclusion from serving in the IDF.
Despite this, most appreciate Israel and treasure thier Israeli citizenship. In fact, Christians have been some of Likud's most loyal voters, although many did vote for Yisrael Beytenu in the last election. What the Christians want is to be recognized as a separate community from the Muslims. After all, they are not "Arabs" regardless of how the Israeli government classifies them. At the very least, they should be treated exactly like the Druze or Samaritans. At most, as Israel's best potential allies in the region.
Let's face it, an autonomous Christian Ramallah, Bethlehem, and Nazareth is in the interest of both Israel AND the indigenous Christians. Surrendering any of Judea and Samaria to the Muslims is not. Despite your belief that "until very recently Muslim citizens of this country COULD be trusted" it is clear that this was never the case.
Posted by: Provoslavni
at October 23, 2007 4:14 PM
MosheC:
We the ordinary Israelis are willing to fight and defend ourselves. Even the Israeli Arabs I know-- all Muslims-- say we HAVE to take much stronger measures against the "Palestinians". The problem is that our gov't refuses to let us defend ourselves. Olmert is famed for having said he'll make "settlers" [which really means all Israelis, not just those in the stochim] "more hated than Chamas".
Bibi who talks a good talk at times but has a history of buckling under pressure [e.g., Chevron]is also part of the problem. Some think Feiglin might be better but even he buckled under when Sharon did his volte-face and screwed over the voters.
The gov't here will not tolerate anyone who rejects the mantra of "Land for peace" but almost all Israelis do reject it. The looming question is whether we can change the nature of gov't policy short of civil war-- which would make us vulnerable-- and who we can replace the gov't with. Frankly I don't know. Ever since the Oslo fiasco, anyone mentally normal has been systematically excluded from any form of leadership.
Posted by: MosheC
at October 23, 2007 4:18 PM
Wellingotn:
One thing to note. This is our country and so our responsibility but the pressure from the US-- both Bushs and Clinton-- doesn't help. Rice is after all only perhaps to say what Bush lets her and the US STILL wants us to commit mass suicide. It makes reform of our gov't much harder when the US bolsters it. Frankly, without US backing, the Olmert gov't would probably have already collapsed.
Posted by: MosheC
at October 23, 2007 4:22 PM
So the recent successful operation against the Syrians was a fluke? What are you trying to say?
Posted by: Drewbenstein
at October 23, 2007 5:51 PM
Are MosheC and Provoslavni the same poster? I'd bet on it.
Posted by: Drewbenstein
at October 23, 2007 6:02 PM
MosheC: I remember in Bush's first two years or so of his Presidency when he was referred to by many supporters of Israel, both Jewish and non-Jewish, as the best friend Israel ever had. I also have distinct recollections of Ariel Sharon before and shortly after he became Prime Minister as being considered someone who would never give an inch of Jewish land to the Palestinian Arabs. Times change, don't they? I have to wonder if actually holding the leadership of state doesn't face one with such enormous complexities that unless a person is possessed of true greatness as were Abraham Lincon, Winston Churchill and David Ben-Gurion, that caving in to the realities of geopolitics is virtually inevitable due to attrition and exhaustion.
May I close here by saying that I think Israel would be best off now if it had expelled all Arabs from the West Bank and Gaza after the Six-Day War and annexed both areas to Israel proper. Hell, how could it be any worse than it is now and how much more could Israel be hated by the Muslim world and castigated by the Europeans?
Posted by: Wellington
at October 23, 2007 6:20 PM
Provoslavni's concept of a three state solution is absolutely brilliant! I second it!
Posted by: usapatriot
at October 23, 2007 8:50 PM
Drewbenstein:
You'd lose your bet. I do not favor giving away any land for any reason. Provoslavni has a delusion about a "Three State solution" which in fact solves nothing but entrenches the battle-lines.
Posted by: MosheC
at October 23, 2007 10:26 PM
Wellington:
As I think drewbenstein may be trying to point out, all our country has to do to survive is decide it wants to. The raid on Syria served not only to make a point to our enemies but is regarded here as Olmert's attempt to show he's doing something about security, especially in light of the damning preliminary version of the Winograd report. B"H I don't think the country is dead yet by any means [Ch"V!] but we need serious change to do what needs done.
As for kicking out the Arabs, I for one will regard that as a terrible thing because of all that I know from personal experience the Arabs have to offer when they cooperate, but I fear we may be put in a situation where we're given no choice. Notice however that it's not just the Muslims. Proslovni shows that the Christian Arabs want to carve up this country too.
We have this tiny slip of land here but even take is too much according to our enemies. I like most Israelis say that it's just too damn' bad for them. We're not going anyway.
Posted by: MosheC
at October 23, 2007 10:35 PM
Are MosheC and Provoslavni the same poster? I'd bet on it.
Posted by: Drewbenstein
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Sorry, Drewbenstein, but we're not the same, although I'm not offended to be compared with him.
Posted by: Provoslavni
at October 24, 2007 12:37 AM
MosheC,
As for my "delusion about a "Three State solution" which in fact solves nothing but entrenches the battle-lines"... nothing could be further from the truth.
If all the Muslims were humanely relocated to Jordan it would change the battle lines drastically.
1.) No Muslims in Israel/Palestine means no suicide bombers blowing up buses or murdering school children.
2.) It means no more Jewish and Christian girls being kidnapped and raped by Muslim thugs.
3.) It means no more ugly and innefective "security walls" marring the land since the Jordan River is a natural and more easily defended border.
4.) It removes the Wakf from control of the Temple Mount stopping them from destroying its archaeological heritage which is precious to both Jews and Christians.
5.) Finally, it makes Hamas a problem for King Abdullah to deal with rather than whoever is in power in Israel.
I could go on and on but Im sure you get the point.
Posted by: Provoslavni
at October 24, 2007 12:53 AM
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