He wanted to commit "suicide by cop,"

We need to become a lot more accomodating.

Posted by: justamomof4 at October 23, 2007 6:15 PM

Ain't that a fact.

Posted by: Drewbenstein at October 23, 2007 6:19 PM

The MP on the gate should have had something a little more potent than a handgun.

Posted by: MP at October 23, 2007 6:23 PM

the cop fired and missed. that's nice,

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at October 23, 2007 6:25 PM

Lots of things really don't add up. He was already on a terrorist watch list, but was hired as a math teacher in a high school??? What if he had decided to commit suicide by locking the door and killing a class full of students and then himself? He was two months into the school and already had been in a mental institution? More to the story, but it will never come out. The only thing that is for certain is that he will spend a short time in some facility and then be free to do more harm to infidels.

Posted by: maryrose at October 23, 2007 6:26 PM

"Police quickly arrested Ahmad, 22, whose mother says is mentally ill and had recently been in a mental institution...graduated in June from City College of New York's honors program in mathematics...had been on psychiatric medication...is in his first year teaching math at Miami Central High."

It's hard to get good help these days. But thankfully we have immigrants such as Ahmad, who are willing to do the jobs Americans no longer want. I'm sure he will turn out some fine math scholars once this "misunderstanding" is cleared up.

Apparently psychiatric screening is not part of the hiring protocol in Miami. Years ago I recall having to undergo psychological testing just to get a job with a temp agency.

Posted by: cumulusnine at October 23, 2007 6:29 PM

How many "depressed" people decide to kill soldiers? So does this mean that all would-be jihadists in the US really are just mentally ill?

The MP is lucky he missed. Today his life, or at least his military career, would be over after killing a depressed, 22-year-old, math teacher who had graduated with honors and who wasn't really a threat.

Posted by: PMK at October 23, 2007 6:45 PM

maryrose

im pretty sure that you dont work for the fbi or homeland security.

you are far too observant!!!

seriously though, the guy was on a watchlist??

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at October 23, 2007 6:50 PM

maryrose

Agreed - how the hell did a mentally ill man get through any kind of screening? If he is ill the people who hired him have some questions to answer.

Posted by: Fred at October 23, 2007 6:51 PM

Finally, I understand terror watch lists.

The listee commits an act of terrorism as you watch. Then you say it wasn't terrorism. Brilliant!

Posted by: Beagle at October 23, 2007 6:55 PM

Maybe he was just a copycat killer. I'm losing track of all the violent Muhammadan acts, but didn't a "mentally ill" Muhammadan just attack a police station in the Netherlands with a knife? And wasn't that blamed on mental illness?

Sshhhh! don't tell: The mental illness is Islam!

BTW: "Not a terrorist" means he was a lone jihadi.

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at October 23, 2007 6:57 PM

So let me get this straight...A smart, quiet man according to his half-the-value-of-a-man mother, and a High School math teacher with aspirations to to coach football to boot...ad he's attempted to kill himself but didn't know how? Wha?!?!

In other words, he was a fully nuts/half stupid man, drunk with the spirit of Allah. Not much different than any other run-of-the-mill ISLAMIC JIHADI.

Not terrorism, authorities say...of course not, I've heard Winnie the Pooh once chant "Death to America" so that couldn't also be an indicator of his motives.

Posted by: Quantum Infidel at October 23, 2007 7:14 PM

Does anyone know why 'authorities' are reluctant to proclaim a terrorist, a terrorist action/threat?

Is there some extra legal matters they have to do? Or is it just plain, old denial?

(please no wise cracks - I am actually serious)

Is this a case where it sniffs of saudi funding backing a city so they tip toe around muslim violence?

Posted by: R_not at October 23, 2007 7:29 PM

Islam is conducive in leading people to manifest all kinds of mental illnesses. Therefore, a "mentally ill Muslim" is a term that smacks of redundancy.

Posted by: Wellington at October 23, 2007 7:32 PM

On another point of view: he was on psychiatric medication!

Isn't that one sure way to get suicidal tendencies? And not just the plain, old, kill-yourself suicide, but the dramatic kill-others-first-before-yourself type of suicide.

Those anti-depressant drugs can really cause a lot of harm, and have been involved in a LOT, if not all, school shootings, not to mention several hundred suicides. They should be banned and their manufacturers sued.

Posted by: Gerry at October 23, 2007 7:34 PM

"But last week, a mental hospital called to say Ahmad, who had been on psychiatric medication, tried killing himself but didn't know how."

Doh!

Posted by: Wimbledon Womble at October 23, 2007 7:43 PM

Sample problem at Miami Central High:
If Abdul can kill 18 kaffirs in 45 minutes, and Ali can kill 12 in an hour and 20 minutes, how many can they kill together in 2 hours?
For extra credit: assuming the kaffir police kill them at the end of their 2-hour spree, how many virgins are awaiting them in paradise?

Posted by: ebonystone at October 23, 2007 7:49 PM

Gerry

you can blame the FDA for that. the FDA will come down hard on any mom and pop store who tries to sell harmless herbal remedies but god will they allow the pharma co's to sell powerful dangerous psychotic drugs to little kiddies. FDA needs to be disbanded and basically their top guys thrown in a dark jail for the misery and deaths they have reaped over america. islamism, socialism and dark corporatism have ruined the west.

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at October 23, 2007 7:54 PM

There is no terrorism, only Islamophobia. Because we're fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them here.

The policeman who shot and missed will be investigated.

The perp will be out in no time. If he promises to be a good Muslim and the local imam will take him in he should be right, no? Mosques are such peacful places to be...

News from the Eurabian Front: Riots in Amsterdam and Brussels

http://sheikyermami.com/2007/10/23/news-from-the-eurabian-front-riots-in-amsterdam-and-brussels/

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at October 23, 2007 8:02 PM

But last week, a mental hospital called to say Ahmad, who had been on psychiatric medication, tried killing himself but didn't know how.

Let me count the ways....they don't seem to have a problem figuring out how to kill an infidel.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at October 23, 2007 8:03 PM

. . . fired his handgun at Ahmad . . . missed.

``Our security forces are well trained and responded appropriately.''

well-trained? missed? responded appropriately?

hardly.

an appropriate response would not have been a miss.

Posted by: unicorns62000 at October 23, 2007 8:17 PM

The salient features of this story lead me to lean toward going along with the "mentally ill and suicidal" rather than "jihidal" verdict. If this was an attack to kill kuffar it was pretty pathetic, even measured against the pathetic ones we've seen over and over.

I'll buy that he was suicidal and either couldn't bring himself to do it himself (so tried to provoke someone else into doing him in) or felt that by conforming to the pattern of jihad he might alleviate a conflicted conscience that could not accept (in an Islamic framework) suicide, except in this case. It doesn't look like he really wanted to kill anyone (in spite of already being on a terror watch) except himself.

I can't imagine how he planned to convince Allah that his intentions were murderous rather than suicidal, though -- doesn't Allah see the intentions of the heart? Any way you read this, he's sick, sick, sick.

But not too sick to understand what jihad is and to interpret the basic tenet of Jihadist doctrine, ie that while killing oneself is not okay, dying while attempting to kill kuffar is hunkey-dorey. Another muslim testifying by his actions to the facts of how many muslims think through this stuff.

Posted by: Archimedes2 at October 23, 2007 8:21 PM

"It's funny how this particular mental illness so often runs in this same pattern."

The reason for the pattern is because Islam is a demonic religion, and if you play around with demons, you will probably suffer the consequences.

Jesus said, "The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly." (John 10:10)

The thief (the devil) causes Muslims to steal, to kill, and to destroy. I guess the same devil causes them to be mentally ill.

Posted by: PersonOfTheBook at October 23, 2007 8:36 PM

"It's funny how this particular mental illness so often runs in this same pattern."

The reason for the pattern is because Islam is a demonic religion, and if you play around with demons, you will probably suffer the consequences.

Jesus said, "The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly." (John 10:10)

The thief (the devil) causes Muslims to steal, to kill, and to destroy. I guess the same devil causes them to be mentally ill.

Posted by: PersonOfTheBook at October 23, 2007 8:38 PM

"It's funny how this particular mental illness so often runs in this same pattern."

The reason for the pattern is because Islam is a demonic religion, and if you play around with demons, you will probably suffer the consequences.

Jesus said, "The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly." (John 10:10)

The thief (the devil) causes Muslims to steal, to kill, and to destroy. I guess the same devil causes them to be mentally ill.

Posted by: PersonOfTheBook at October 23, 2007 8:38 PM

I'm not sure that we're all following this "he was mentally ill" claim, but there have been several in recent weeks and months coming from the families of jihadists located in various Western Nations.

Watch for the influx of lawsuits claiming that the infidel nation failed to recognize and treat the mental illness known as SJS..., which resulted in the untimely and tragic death of a wannabeajihadi. SJS will soon be an acknowledged syndrome in many previously respected medical journals.

Screw the infidel victims... The jihadi was the victim of SJS, and we should have treated him appropriately before he was forced to kill of the infidel nation. We infidels can treat this by lathering the jihadi with honey, balloons, rainbows and lollipops.. and big anti-war demonstrations, promises of retreat, defeat, prosecution of our men and women in uniform, denouncing our heritage, revising our history to accommodate these aliens who "just wanna kill us". We love them all. Welcome.

/Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: Laughs_at_Silly_Jihadis at October 23, 2007 8:44 PM

R_not said

Does anyone know why 'authorities' are reluctant to proclaim a terrorist, a terrorist action/threat?

Some guesses:
- If there aren't any terrorists, then that "proves" that they're doing a good job of protecting us.
- If they admit there are terrorist attacks every week, then there is a problem, and a problem that they are responsible for solving, and a problem that doesn't have an easy solution. [Lift rug, sweep, pat self on back].
- It doesn't fit in with their assumption that all religions are the same, all cultures are the same, all people are the same. Singling out one group as a problem would be "racist".
- It would cause "tensions" with some of our "strong allies" and "good friends", if we suddenly start saying that a particular religion is motivating these jihadists.

Posted by: special_guest at October 23, 2007 8:52 PM

Sample problem at Miami Central High:
If Abdul can kill 18 kaffirs in 45 minutes, and Ali can kill 12 in an hour and 20 minutes, how many can they kill together in 2 hours?
For extra credit: assuming the kaffir police kill them at the end of their 2-hour spree, how many virgins are awaiting them in paradise?

Posted by: ebonystone at October 23, 2007 7:49 PM

59 infidels and 144 houris
King Me.

I wonder if they've run out of virgins. Zoiks. What a 'religion'!

Posted by: Laughs_at_Silly_Jihadis at October 23, 2007 8:54 PM

Archimedes2 said

The salient features of this story lead me to lean toward going along with the "mentally ill and suicidal" rather than "jihidal" verdict.

The part about yelling "Death to America" and trying to kill infidels lead me to believe that religion was involved.

Posted by: special_guest at October 23, 2007 8:58 PM

Wake up, Amurica!

They wanna kill you. And they will.

Posted by: Laughs_at_Silly_Jihadis at October 23, 2007 9:02 PM

Sick or mentally ill, or any other claim of default is no defence for any attack against any American. Be it Military, Police, Fireman, or Joe walking down the street. These attacks are tests for all Americans, and how many are paying attention. Stock up Americans cause its coming to your neighborhood soon!

Posted by: AMartinez at October 23, 2007 9:03 PM

THE man behind plans to open Corby's first mosque was sent to prison for six weeks yesterday for selling illegal tobacco and possessing pirate DVDs with intent to sell them.

Mohammad Choudhury, 49, of Blenheim Walk, Corby, was sentenced after two separate courts heard the same case when magistrates on the first bench could not reach a decision on whether to send him to prison.

http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/evening-telegraph/Mosque-man-jailed-for-tobacco.3397206.jp

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at October 23, 2007 9:06 PM

Hugh has a number of great posts on why the islamist will tend to go off in a fashion like this - it's the cultural outlet of this vile ideology.

Take a repressed unstable individual, mix with islam, and you have a violent wing nut, not good for much but dead.

Next.

Posted by: dgene at October 23, 2007 9:08 PM

Ahmad did not get his wish. One officer fired his handgun at Ahmad. He missed.

"We take security very seriously at the base, but this was quite an unusual event,'' said Lt. Col. Tom Davis, a base spokesman. “Our security forces are well trained and responded appropriately."

Took the concealed carry class last week. Highly recommended if you can find the time; you learn everything from local law to weapons cleaning to combat tactics to hands-on marksmanship. The class cost $50. I was paired up with the senior police marksmanship instructor for our state for the practical applications portion and really improved my skills.

The main instructor was a down to earth SWAT guy. He was not really big on the firearms proficiency of average policeman. A typical policeman fires his weapon one every six months for qualifications. A passing grade is hitting the target 60% of the time in a controlled environment. One can only speculate on how base cops train.

"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercise, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walk."
-- Thomas Jefferson, Aug 19th 1785

Posted by: pez at October 23, 2007 9:45 PM

On another point of view: he was on psychiatric medication!

Isn't that one sure way to get suicidal tendencies? And not just the plain, old, kill-yourself suicide, but the dramatic kill-others-first-before-yourself type of suicide.

Those anti-depressant drugs can really cause a lot of harm, and have been involved in a LOT, if not all, school shootings, not to mention several hundred suicides. They should be banned and their manufacturers sued.

Posted by: Gerry at October 23, 2007 7:34 PM

***

I'm not a psychiatrist, but two possibilities come to my mind. (1) Sometimes bipolar disorder is misdiagnosed as depression, often because a person is less likely to see a doctor during the manic state (why go to a doctor when you're feeling great?) and so the doctor only sees a depressed person. However, if someone with bpd is given a regular antidepressant and not bpd medication, it may throw him into a full-blown manic episode. (Some sympoms of mania are paranoia, delusions, risky behavior, heightened religiosity.) (2) Sometimes bipolar is co-morbid with anxiety disorders. If the psychiatrist only treats the bipolar (without treating the anxiety), you'll get someone with an elevated mood (from the drugs) and agitation (from the anxiety). Bipolars with anxiety are more likely to attempt/commit suicide than those without anxiety.

(Oh, and leon, St. Johns Wart often has the same dangerous effect on people with bpd as antidepressants -- which is why herbals for depression need to be approached with caution, too.)

This article doesn't say what specific mental illness Ahmed has. I'm not as familiar with schizophrenia, but I know some symptoms are similar to a bipolar manic episode (i.e., paranoia, religiosity). I've said before that I have no doubt mental illness appears in the Muslim population at roughly the same rate as in the general population. Consider Andrea Yates, who killed her children because she thought God told her to. Now look at a list of bipolar manic symptoms or schizophrenia symptoms (i.e., paranoia, religiosity, delusions, etc.) and think about what kind of mental cocktail is likely to be brewing inside a mentally ill brain that has also been fed a diet of Islamic superiority and "kill the infidel."

Posted by: CJ at October 23, 2007 9:46 PM

Poor fellow. Woke up one morning and found out what he was. Lost his mind. At least by Western standards.

By Multi-Cultural standards he was just being himself. Living up to his Cultural Heritage. We should love him for it.

Convoluted logic ment to befuddle the mind.

Posted by: flowerknife_us at October 23, 2007 9:56 PM

Quantum Infidel read again what you wrote - "In other words, he was a fully nuts/half stupid man, drunk with the spirit of Allah."

I have looked and cannot find Allah brand vodka.

Posted by: Pelayo at October 23, 2007 10:06 PM

I remember as a kid growing up the crazies were locked up. Now with all the multi culti crap, any attack on another person can be called a sickness. What crap! Hell we Americans can't use leathal injection now as a meens of ridding our selves of vermin whom seek our destruction. And why is the military so hush on this attack?

Posted by: AMartinez at October 23, 2007 10:06 PM

Suicide by cop...Military guards aren't cops. If he wanted cops to kill him, he could have just gone to a local police station, and start stabbing female police officers in the lobby. That would do it. But he 'chose' a military base and said he wanted to kill soldiers. The fact that he 'chose' a military base, indicates he was capable of planning. That he wanted to kill soldiers, not just Jews or infidels, may be significant.
One thing I notice is that everytime one of these wannabe jihadis is claimed to be mentally ill, we are never told, just what type of mental illness it is. There are many different types.
When there is no diagnosis, I watch for, organization and order. Someone who is way out of control has little of these. This guy was capable of making a plan and following through. His plan was not brilliant, but he had one. This is not consistent with the 'out of control, don't know what you are doing', type of Mental illness.
With the information we have, I opt for SJS.
He can be one crazy and wild guy, and still be a jihadist...

Posted by: duh_swami at October 23, 2007 10:07 PM

"But Ahmad was no terrorist, authorities believe."

No, just another typical twenty-something Muslim male. Young, dumb, and between the ears,numb.

Posted by: Unbridled at October 23, 2007 10:23 PM

Good grief the crazy Muslims are at it again!

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at October 23, 2007 10:29 PM

@R_Not & special_guest

I am thinking something is rotten in Denmark as well. I note this article as well as others that have been reported over the years. They all go something like this.

First, a quick discription of the awful/bloody/sensational action.

Right after this there is a single sentence stating "But so-in-so was no terrorist . . ."

The rest of the article is drivel about the poor persons background or some virtue the person might have. It all is a justification point.

I would speculate that the authorities were asked if he was a terrorist. But the "death by cop" was the reporters idea (shows the reporters bias). My feeling is that, he is a follower of Allah and that was his primary motivation. But because he had other problems (nuts) he was lousy at following through. His statement "Death to America" does it for me.

What I see, these stories are downplayed and quickly discounted of being an terrorist/Islamic problem (bias). I don't know if its the media or the authorities or who. It defiantly has is roots in political correctness IMO.

John 15:12-13
I command you to love each other in the same way that I love you. And here is how to measure it-the greatest love is shown when people lay down their lives for their friends.

جون 15:12-13
إني لكم لقيادة كل منهما الآخر في الحب بنفس الطريقة التي أنا أحبك. وهنا هو كيفية قياس - وهو اعظم الحب هو مبين عندما يضع الناس بحياتهم من اجل اصدقائهم.

Posted by: Im.mad.as.HELL! at October 23, 2007 10:30 PM

CJ...usually bi-polars are suicidal either just coming out of the depression stage or just going into it. Someone not taking their lithium, may act in a disorganized hyper fashion, but the ones I have known are having too much fun in the manic stage, to plan anything, bouncing off walls ect. And when depression sets in they are too depressed to do a jihad. I don't think that would be Amahds diagnosis.
Schizophrenia is four types, paranoia, hebephrenia, catatonia, and simple. Generally all these diagnosis hear voices.
(Auditory hallucinations). Maybe Allah was talking to him.
I would like to know just what type mental illness he had, and what his meds were if any.

And Gerry is right, some prescription drugs actually cause suicidal and homicidal ideation. Paxil is one of those. I have a friend with personal experience with Paxil (an anti-depressant)...

Posted by: duh_swami at October 23, 2007 10:34 PM

Not suprising considering that the Allah is Islam is really the devil who was, as Jesus said is a "liar, thief, and murderer from the begining." John 8:44.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at October 23, 2007 10:35 PM

Fade to an early 1940’s newspaper…

A German man known to be a Nazi sympathizer showed up at a local military base with two knives chanting “Death to America’ and threatening to kill soldiers. He was shot dead in a hail of gunfire. The commanding officer said, “War is hell. He wanted a personal war. We gave him a private hell.” The FBI and local authorities have initiated an investigation of his friends and family.

That’s how all my war stories end, the bad guys lying in a pool of blood with X’s for eyes.

Posted by: butterfly at October 23, 2007 10:35 PM

Slightly OT, but watch the video connected to this story:

'Suffolk County police say a feisty Long Island store clerk refused a gunman's demands for money and instead chased him out with an ax.'

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=local&id=5722703

Anyone else find it disturbing to watch a hijabed woman wielding an ax?

Posted by: Vee at October 23, 2007 10:55 PM

I agree with Archimedes2 - mentally ill and suicidal - and a Jihadi
"But not too sick to understand what jihad is and to interpret the basic tenet of Jihadist doctrine, ie that while killing oneself is not okay, dying while attempting to kill kuffar is hunkey-dorey."

Sane terrorists do not run at the guards with knives while yelling. He's not rationally trying to create maximum casualties and maximum fear.

Laughs_at_Silly_Jihadis, you'll get a reduced virgin quota if you don't get the maths right. You said "59 infidels and 144 houris"
It's 66 kaffirs.

Conclusions:
1. Florida needs to hire better quality public school maths teachers (Australia, my homeland, needs better quality public hospital doctors than Mohammed Hanif, and we should train them here)
2. Mentally ill Muslims are more dangerous than mentally ill Christians and Atheists.

Posted by: davidp at October 23, 2007 11:23 PM

Charles Whitman was truly mentally ill. To put it in words that my wife's cousins will understand, he was as nutty as a fruitcake. A brain tumor was discovered during his autopsy; however it will never be learned if this tumor caused his derangement. The mentally ill are perfectly capable of making some very detailed plans, and Charles Whitman planned his final day rather meticuluosly.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/mass/whitman/index_1.html

I picked this link because it ain't Wikipedia.

Posted by: Pelayo at October 23, 2007 11:38 PM

Having served in the Air Force, I can assure you that they are the most PC of all the military commands. I remember the days that they actually had the profiles of proper length hair cuts for blacks.

I'm sure that AK-Mad was looking for a proportionate response. He took a couple of knives to a fight knowing that the AP's didn't have any knives. The AP's being politically correct didn't have a knife to counter with so one of them pulled a side arm and missed. Thus you have the correct PC proportionate response.

And so it goes in the land of the future Dhimmi.

Posted by: credit man at October 23, 2007 11:39 PM

A doctor may find many reasons to say somebody has a "issue", I'm sure if some of the things that are said on these posts were offered to said doctor, tomorrow the person may wake up in the rubber room.

This guy was teaching kids, on a terror watch list, and going after solders.

Hope he gets some help.

Posted by: Islofob IS-1 at October 23, 2007 11:42 PM

Muhammad attempted suicide several times:

"Few people are aware of Muhammad's suicide attempts. Following his initial visitation by a spirit, that claimed to be Gabriel, Muhammad was frantic with fear and attempted suicide. He walked up to the top of a mountain and intended to throw himself off a cliff.

Few Islamic leaders will teach this to their fellow Muslims because it casts a stain upon Muhammad; it brings doubt to his credibility and the credibility of his assumed "prophetic" experience. Some Muslims deny the sources of the story. Other, more intelligent Muslims, knowledgeable about the sources, respond by saying that the shock of the experience caused him to attempt suicide.

However, the shock of the initial experience would have worn off over the next few days, if not weeks, hardly cause for Muhammad's continued suicide attempts over the next years."

[Muhammad's suicide attempts are documented in several prominent Islamic source materials: Bukhari's "Sahih" collection of Hadith, Ibn Ishaq's "Sirat Rasulallah", Ibn Sa'd's, "Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir", and Tabari's "Ta'rikh al-rulul wa'l-muluk".]

Posted by: champ at October 23, 2007 11:51 PM

"Isn't that one sure way to get suicidal tendencies?"

If one is not keeping appointments with his doctor, and is suffering from the adverse effects of the wrong medicine he can develop suicidal tendencies.

"And not just the plain, old, kill-yourself suicide, but the dramatic kill-others-first-before-yourself type of suicide."

When this happens, it's generally an indication that the patient has stopped taking his medication. (More dramatically, if he has done so, cold turkey.)

"Those anti-depressant drugs can really cause a lot of harm"

Not if they are the right anti-depressants. I can and do take Welbutrin, and I can and do take Tofranil. This combination treats me for depression and the panic attacks that go with PTSD. Without my medications, I can't eat. I can't sleep. I miss too many days of work, all because my seratonin re-uptake is screwy.

On the other hand, I can't deal with Zoloft, Paxil, Buspar, Prozac, etc.

It takes time and experimentation to find an ideal treatment, because anti-depressants are not "one size fits all".

"and have been involved in a LOT, if not all, school shootings,"

I would like to point out that many of these incidents are perpetrated by kids taking someone else's medication, not their own. They think these drugs will make them high.

Anti-depressants don't do what you might think they do, and what all to many kids think they do.
I don't get high, when I take my medicine. Nor do I "mellow". I function.

"They should be banned and their manufacturers sued."

No, they should not. They should be correctly prescribed, and the patient should be monitored. A partnership has to be established between physician and patient, to find out what works.

Posted by: Abscedere at October 23, 2007 11:56 PM

Have to concur, some bad shooting by that gate guard.

Off the firing range with him.

This "madman" could have just been a diversionary tactic.

Shoot to kill such attackers.

And them immediately start calling around to all gates to see if it isn't a coirdinated effort by a group of jihadis.

Sounds like another probe/dry run.

And they got away with it unscathed.

Posted by: profitsbeard at October 24, 2007 12:39 AM

This fellow could be mentally ill but islam is enough to induce mental illness. The beliefs and behavior that islam inculcates is not normal, it is sociopathic. Some muslims are capable of masking their narcisisstic, anti-social, supremacist tendencies better than others but it is not at all uncommon for them to snap like this guy did. The "death to America" part of the story would lead me to believe that he is a jihadist, perhaps a psychotic jihadist, but aren't they all?

I think islam should be officially declared a mental illness. It is definitely hazardous to the safety and well-being of innocent people because no one can predict what a muslim might do at any given moment, even the "sanest" of muslims. Someone who appears to be entirely normal in every way could go off the deep end tomorrow and we know what happens when muslims snap. Islam also encourages self-destruction, martyrdom, which is a double-edged sword because the shaheed will be targeting innocent people when he blows himself to bits. Not that they contribute one iota to any society in the world but even if they did, nothing could compensate for the tension, hostility, expense, and overall unpleasantness created by muslims. They are a liability, a burden, and a threat so why are they here?

Is pure evil a mental illness? Are incorrigible sociopaths "sick", and not responsible for their behavior? Are people who enjoy killing other people because they don't believe in the same God evil or crazy? Muslims are one of the two, or maybe both.

Posted by: Susanp at October 24, 2007 12:49 AM

I need to get my 'Sudden Jihad Syndrome' page up to date. I've been slacking.
SLC Mall shooter.
Popal with his mini-suv running folks over in SanFran.
Haq, the shooter at the Jewish center in Seattle.
A couple others.
Now this bastard.

Posted by: rayra at October 24, 2007 1:40 AM

mmm weird... many mentally ill Muslims... maybe it's all the inter-family marriage...

Posted by: Hebrewman at October 24, 2007 1:52 AM

"Sudden Jihad Syndrome"....that's good LOL!

Posted by: champ at October 24, 2007 1:57 AM

"Wielding two butcher knives bought at Wal-Mart and vodka bottles to use as explosives, Tahmeed Ahmad chanted ''Death to America'' and told Homestead Air Reserve Base guards he wanted to kill soldiers.
But Ahmad was no terrorist, authorities believe."

I agree with the authorities, I think that ahmad is just an average jihadi who was waging a jihad (we all know that jihad means "inner spiritual struggle) against the infidels just as uswa hasana, al- insan, al - kamil did, and everybody knows that muhammad must be emulated in all respects and deeds, and therefore this man is not a "terrorist" but a follower of uswa hasana. Mind you, not a terrorist.

"Rather, the Miami Central High School math teacher wanted to ''commit suicide by cop'' when he attacked military policemen stationed at the west gate just before midnight Sunday, the FBI said"

Psychiatrists and psychologists at Miami better prepare for some more reading and some more definitions, the job will be getting complex and complex.

"Police quickly arrested Ahmad, 22, whose mother says is mentally ill and had recently been in a mental institution. The FBI charged him Monday with assaulting a U.S. government employee."

So now we use the phrase "mental institution" for "mosque" !

"Ahmad had been added to a federal terrorist watch list, but officials had long since concluded he was not a credible threat, Davis said."

I just love the above text. Don't you ?

"But last week, a mental hospital called to say Ahmad, who had been on psychiatric medication, tried killing himself but didn't know how."

Er... I'm at a loss for words. Somebody mind helping me ?

Posted by: arjun.sevak at October 24, 2007 4:26 AM

Why are the notions of terrorist and lunatic mutually exclusive?
Can't one be both?
If one can be both a murderer and a madman, but not both a terrorist and a madman, then what makes the crime of terrorism so different? Must a terrorist be normal?
Merriam-Webster defines terrorism as "the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion." Is it that a loon can't be systematic, or that he can't use terror, or that he can't seek to coerce? Madmen are thoroughly systematic, even if they may be systematically chaotic. It also seems obvious that they are capable of using terror to coerce.
To me it is clear that someone who tries to sow terror by killing in the name of an enemy ideology that does such things on a regular basis is a terrorist, even if he himself is a one-time or free-lance terrorist.

Posted by: ppeter at October 24, 2007 4:27 AM

I'm afraid we don't have an asylum big enough for all those afflicted with SJS, what say you?

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at October 24, 2007 4:36 AM

"But last week, a mental hospital called to say Ahmad, who had been on psychiatric medication, tried killing himself but didn't know how."

.......well, he could have driven to the OVertown section of Miami, walked up to a group of black drug dealing thugs (usually found just sitting on a porch or standing on a street corner)....then start calling them the N word, while pulling out a knife and demanding they give him their drugs, money, and their women...the end result would not have been pretty...

never the less...I am convinced that Islam is a mental disease....and this is one of the reasons I say: Ban Muslim Immigration...

P.S....I am guessing, but he is Kuwaiti and that usually means he is a Sunni Muslims (and I believe Sunni Muslims are more violent that the Shi'ites)....and I agree with other posters...just why is a person who has been on the Federal Terror Watch List teaching in a public school?...I also believe this incident may have been just another "dry Run", a test (and I would wager that off in the distance other Muslims were observing with cameras rolling)....I guess if the security personnel would have shot him dead, the observing Muslims would have looked at each other and said "oops"...

....did you know that killing American children is high on the terrorists list of things to do?

....Ban Muslim Immigration...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at October 24, 2007 6:35 AM

"So now we use the phrase "mental institution" for "mosque" !

...Ha.....true, true...a MOsque is also a military operations center.....

....a military operations center run by the criminally insane......yep

Posted by: exsgtbrown at October 24, 2007 6:41 AM

Dhimmi Government to appease Muslims.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/UP_govt_to_pay_fees_of_Muslims_pursuing_professional_courses/articleshow/2484592.cms

Posted by: anti islamocommunist at October 24, 2007 6:43 AM

Later, he said he was joking....but it sounded good for a minute..:......we do need to get tougher...

"Tuesday, October 23, 2007
McCain says he wants to shoot Osama
ROCHESTER, N.H. -- Republican presidential candidate John McCain told workers of small weapons factory that he not only wants to catch Osama Bin Laden if elected, but said he "will shoot him with your products".

"I will follow Osama Bin Laden to the gates of hell and I will shoot him with your products," McCain said."

Posted by: exsgtbrown at October 24, 2007 6:50 AM

''I don't why he was depressed and why he was so sad,'' his mother said, tearfully. ``He needs help.''

They should help him with some 767 flying lessons and buy him some box cutters. That will get rid of his depression and brighten up his life. Also some tips in evading airport security might make him a very happy chappy.

Posted by: Dsinc at October 24, 2007 7:05 AM

Off subject, but:
Glad to see a photo of our First Lady without the veil in Saudi Arabia inside a Breast Cancer screening center. The other two were in full black burqa. Of course we all remember Lady Pelosi in veil when she was meeting with our enemies.

Day 2 of Islamo Facism week and nothing in my local paper about it...

Posted by: mary at October 24, 2007 7:06 AM

I will argue that to fly a plane full of people into a building one would need to be mentally ill.

Posted by: Weatherob at October 24, 2007 8:32 AM

Remember what happened at airports when muslims targeted airplaines? Now we all get enjoy delays and searches.

What will now happen to mentally ill people? Sadly, we are going to have to now implement a layer of protection to make sure that mentally ill people are not jihadists. Of course, all people who are mentally ill or may be mentally ill will have to pass through this layer of protection so that muslims are not offended.

Screening will be done by muslims to be PC.

And another wonderful aspect Western Civilization will be sullied. Charity, compassion, and caring will now be smeared with a politically correct coating of "protection" to "detect" jihadists.

Posted by: mike trivisonno at October 24, 2007 8:45 AM

I wonder if this may be the person who sent those "Jihad Boom" postcards to 9 Florida schools shortly before 9/11? It would probably be worth it for law enforcement to compare this guy's handwriting with those postcards. After all, there was a picture of a school blown up with bodies all around drawn on each of them.

Posted by: Lori B. at October 24, 2007 8:57 AM

Now someone in Mr. Ahmad's family will have to kill his mother. I'm sorry, but those are the rules.

Ahmad admitted to making a suicide attempt, which is a stain on his family honor. One of his female relatives must now be killed, to repair that honor.

Mom's the logical choice, since she reared him for the first six or seven years of his life. Obviously, this is her fault. Unless, of course he has an ingrateful, immodest, shrew of a wife.

Posted by: Abscedere at October 24, 2007 8:58 AM

I think this all orchestrated by islamic scholars. They want to undermine our odd penchant to help those who are mentally ill so that the infrastructure can be used to advance islam.

Jihad activity can now be cloaked in "mental illness" and we will dumbly go along with the lie.

I see Islam everywhere now. Perhaps I am mentally ill.

Posted by: mike trivisonno at October 24, 2007 9:05 AM

This dude taught math in a public school! - 'nuff said

Posted by: americanmadestrat at October 24, 2007 9:29 AM

Why does no one use the word "terrorist"?
Well, a German official told me that for events concerning Islam only journalists are called to write an article about it who know the rules about which words are allowed to say in connection with Islam and which are not.
With European politics and parliament it`s more or less the same. And now the USA, mentally already preparing for Hillary Obama, is jumping on the train, too.

Posted by: Axel at October 24, 2007 11:04 AM

Why does no one use the word "terrorist"?
Well, a German official told me that for events concerning Islam only journalists are called to write an article about it who know the rules about which words are allowed to say in connection with Islam and which are not.
With European politics and parliament it`s more or less the same. And now the USA, mentally already preparing for Hillary Obama, is jumping on the train, too.

Posted by: Axel at October 24, 2007 11:05 AM

"Does anyone know why 'authorities' are reluctant to proclaim a terrorist, a terrorist action/threat?

Is there some extra legal matters they have to do? Or is it just plain, old denial?

(please no wise cracks - I am actually serious)"

--------------------

And I'll asnwer for you. The truth is hurtful - WE'RE NO LONGER A SOVEREIGN NATIONS!

We've been sold down the river by our government. We've been sold piecemeal to China, and Saudi Arabia/Turkey. THAT is why the scum in congress (small "c") is afraid to acknowledge the Armenian Holocaust, and the Dalai Lama.

HOWEVER, that is NOT to say, WE, The People aren't sovereign in our hearts and minds!

Freedom lives on!

Posted by: allat at October 24, 2007 12:40 PM

The irony is that it doesn't take a mentally ill radical to chant "Death to America". In fact, leading Imams all over Iran and Saudi Arabia promote radical Jihadism against America. Just check out some of the videos on http://www.theirownwords.com. It translates into English speeches by radical Jihadists.

Posted by: jihadistalert at October 24, 2007 3:14 PM

Military 'guards' can indeed be cops. Army MP training and experience levels often rival civilian officers. And there are no finer detectives than Army CID Special Agents.

Zoomie SP's are another story. If you do a search for 'tueller drill' you'll see either one or both of these SP's could have dropped this knife-weilding zombie as soon as he got within 21'. No questions asked. That we're told they did a good job based on their training is stupid.

M. Scott Peck wrote in 'People of the Lie' that the most evil, brutal criminals are hiding in churches, behind the facade of piety. This is more true for Islamists. They will lie to your face, they will cut your throat and let you bleed out, they will empty the mag into you and not a hint of conscience or decency will slow them down or cause them to change.

They're here. Soon they will drop the 'mentally ill' excuse and dare us to respond.

I'm reading John Giduck's 'Terror at Beslan' now. Everyone should read that book.

And be ready, unerschrocken. Here and now, there and then.

If not you ... who?

Posted by: undaunted at October 24, 2007 3:15 PM

CJ wrote:
"I've said before that I have no doubt mental illness appears in the Muslim population at roughly the same rate as in the general population. Consider Andrea Yates, who killed her children because she thought God told her to."
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You know that religion would have been mentioned by the MSM as a major factor, if the suicidal maniac happened to be a fundamentalist Christian.

Posted by: CTYankee at October 24, 2007 3:56 PM

This is part of my concern: The more these animals claim they are 'mentally ill', the more those with sufficient inclination, training, and hardware to respond effectively are likely to be slow on the trigger when it needs to be squeezed 'in a timely manner'.

If they can get us to slow down and wonder, 'Is this guy insane like the others?' or, 'What's going to happen to me if I shoot him and then claims are made that he's mentally ill?' then that adds to the +-1.5 seconds it takes to react with a holstered firearm. Lots of death and destruction can be inflicted in 2 seconds, eh?

See what I mean? It's like we're being set up, maybe not by them intentionally, but by our own desire to live by the rules. Not that that's bad, but this needs some tactical consideration if you don't intend to stand there and be their victim.

All those concerns about 'insanity' need to be decided now in order to keep processing and reaction time to a minimum, when faced with one of these barbarians.

Posted by: undaunted at October 24, 2007 5:45 PM

"Anyone else find it disturbing to watch a hijabed woman wielding an ax?"

You bet your burka! ----- I certainly did find it disturbing, especially this being ISAW. Was it a (not so cryptic) message to kaffir?

Posted by: ElizaDoolittle at October 24, 2007 9:27 PM

Of course he is mentally ill, he was looking for soldiers on a base full of airmen.

I'm having alot of trouble with the timeline; graduated in June 07, teaching in fall term 07, spent time in mental instution when?, tried to commit suicide when?? and is teaching high school students in Oct. 07.
What became of the vodka in the empty bottles?

Are our schools so desperate to fill slots that anyone can become a teacher?
This goes back to my thoughts that when Anita Hill alledgedly allowed (now) Justice Thomas to sexually harass her at work and testified about it a Congressional witch hunt she should have had to give back her salary for that job. She was working for the Equal Opportunity Office!
How could she help others, when whe couldn't even help herself?
Too many people on the government payroll only excell at holding down their own desks and accomplish nothing.

Posted by: Aunt Bea at October 25, 2007 7:59 AM

Now now aunt bea...they do accomplish something...
bloodsucking money out of the taxpayer...
...the cost of keeping them at their desks at their various respective agencies doing nothing, their uselessness protected by their beloved socialist protector, AFSCME, accounts for more money than the iraq war yearly budget does, the same issue they so viciously pi$$ & moan about...lol

At least our troops WORK (and EARN their pay) and actually accomplish something worthwhile.

Posted by: jcom972 at October 25, 2007 9:38 AM

"But last week, a mental hospital called to say Ahmad, who had been on psychiatric medication, tried killing himself but didn't know how."

"She said her son was a smart, quiet man"

Umm.
What?
I'm going to call BS here. A 'smart' man would know how to kill himself.
But Mommy ALWAYS thinks her baby is smart...
He could have:
jumped off a building
fell on his knife
swallowed all of his 'meds' at once
slit his wrists
driven his car into the ocean
gone down to alligator alley, not far from where he lives, and strapped some fresh poultry or beef to his chest
Gone swimming and not stopped until he drowned.
But he didn't do any of that. He attacked soldiers.
Because he is a terrorist.
And not smart.

Posted by: jeffislouie at October 25, 2007 12:06 PM

Bingo...and at a reserve base no less...lol
I wonder why they don't try this at more sensitive military installations...ya know, the ones with signs that say clearly:
"Use of deadly force authorized"

Oh yeah, forgot...they'd be swiss cheese before they got 50 feet inside the gate...all without taking out a single infidel. awwww *enter air violin here*

(tough, durkaboys, you have to guess which ones those are, lol)

Posted by: jcom972 at October 26, 2007 1:58 AM