Years of funding US institutions with Middle East money is paying dividends.

Prosecutors who can't prosecute.

Judges who can't judge.

Jurors who can't comprehend.

A large populace that remains clueless.

Posted by: LoneRanger at October 24, 2007 10:23 AM

Regarding Elashi's outburst.

How do we react to the seemingly outraged and angry and aggressive adherents to the evil islamic ideology ?

Would it scare a juror, would it make a juror say - he is righteous in his cause, or would the juror say "aint gonna mess with that fool - get me outta here" ?

Viewing the reception that the brave Noni Darwash got last day in Berkeley, one has to appraise ones own tactical response to the lefties and the islamists, in other words, what will make for success in winning over friends, allies and even some members of the left, and at the least neutralizing the bastards that oppose one.

Our own willingness to fight and confront ?

Posted by: dgene at October 24, 2007 10:38 AM

Hey hows Brittanys lip job lookin? I hope there was at least 1 news camera getting a shot of these guys celebrating. They'll slip up sooner or later. Hey, this is O.T. but worth the thought. With the Cali fires the MSM is starting to remember the terrorist who threatened wildfires a few years back, But has anybody thought of the MRSA staff infection goin on in the northeast? You know the school threat,can that be somekind of bio-crap? Sorry, just thinking out loud.

Posted by: americanmadestrat at October 24, 2007 10:46 AM

Juror intimidation is something that goes back to the heyday of organizrd crime. Islam is the ultimate criminal enterprise.

The FBI might want to look into jury tampering (bribery) also.

Posted by: Pelayo at October 24, 2007 11:01 AM

How can the judge get away with not allowing key evidence? its shocking!! Check his bank account hasn't swollen over the passed few weeks!!!

I haven't really kept up to date with the trial, and only read bits here and there and it seems blatantly obvious to me that they are trying to hide something. Can't anyone pin anything on Hooper the traitor??

Posted by: Demvaril at October 24, 2007 11:14 AM

The off topic comment by SoteriA under the JW story on "MPAC's Six Tips for Tackling Islamo-Fascism.." tracks the same idea as the off topic comment by americanmadestrat above about the Cali wildfires. Until and unless someone is caught in the act of arson and identified, I suppose we will never know whether there is Islamic jihad terrorism behind these wild-fires, but irregardless, these wildfires illustrate a vulnerability to such a jihad attack. That vulnerability involves the fact that it is impossible to watch millions of potential jihadists at all times, and even a few such persons can create havoc in a free society if they put their mind to it. If jihadists have not already figured out that wildfire arson attacks can be a tool in their arsenal of mischief, they should have it figured out after non-stop television coverage of these fires. Given that vulnerability, does it make sense to give these people free reign of our country when we are under attack.
During WWII, the Japanese wanted to start such wildfires, and were so desperate that they sent balloons over to try to accomplish this. You would think they could have found someone here to do their bidding. Oh, wait. Back then, we did not open our country to immigration (legal or illegal) to persons whose first loyalty was to the Japanese emperor, and in order to ensure our safety, we cast a wide net to incarcerate potential enemies. Was this an over-reaction? Well, we inconvenienced a lot of innocent Japanese people, nearly all of whom were 10 times more loyal than the Muslims in our midst, but we knew of no other sure-fire way to keep out the bad-apples who would have committed such acts of sabotage and espionage, and in the end we won the war.
You just do not want to let someone who wants to kill you come into your house and live there. You can watch him so long, but eventually he is going to kill you.

Posted by: Karl2 at October 24, 2007 11:44 AM

Judges bully the courtroom and the jurors. This is blue smoke and mirrors. The most powerful people in the system are not judges, but jurors. The jury's assume it is the judge who is all powerful, but that is a lie. What would happen if the jury demanded to see the banned evidence, and threaten to 'walk out' if they don't get to see it. HMMM the jury just has no guts, they let the judge run all over them...We need better informed jurors, with more intestinal fortitude....

Posted by: duh_swami at October 24, 2007 11:54 AM

Two points.

1. The first goes to deception by a group calling itself the "Holy Land Foundation." The phrase "Holy Land" was chosen deliberately, as a fundraising device to get money out of Christian donors. And it worked. How do I know? I know because a relative of mine, a devout Catholic, kept contributing to the "Holy Land Foundation" under the impression that it must be connected to works of Catholic priests or possibly Franciscan monks, in the "Holy Land." I note that since the Holy Land Foundation has been shut down, there has been news of a similar group, sweetly and demurely calling itself "KinderCare" -- "kinder" as in "kindergarten," "kinder" as in "children," "kinder" as in Don't-Worry-We-Are-Just-Like-The-Save-The-Children-Federation, and all kinds of people are taken in.

Cannot the Holy Land Foundation, given what it really was all about, be sued for deceptive practices? And would not noting this deceptive practice, and emphasizing their "war is deception" justification for all that they do (and remind jurors who said "war is deception"), be something not hard for jurors to understand?

2. When cases at law involve matters deemed so specialized that ordinary courts cannot handle them, courts have been set up, with judges trained in the subject matter, and of course without juries of laymen, to hear them. Tax courts, for example, and patent courts, for tax and patent questions.

Are cases involving "terrorism" or, better, "Jihad," more like patent and tax cases, or are they more like ordinary, run-of-the-mill criminal cases? I suggest they are more like patent and tax cases, because in order to fully understand what is going on, and what prompts the behavior of those being charged, and indeed how it is that the raising and distribution of funds, or even such seemingly innnocent activities as having "Mosque Outreach" evenings where Infidels supposedly are to be informed about Islam when, in fact, they are to be determinedly, and cunningly, misinformed about the texts and tenets of Islam, and the attitudes toward all non-Muslims that naturally arise from those texts and tenets, need to be understood as parts of a single whole, a single Jihad or "struggle" to remove all barriers to the spread and dominance of Islam, which by right must spread, and must come to dominate everwhere, and Muslims everywhere to rule. This is not something one suspects was made clear in the Holy Land Foundation trial. One suspects little was said about the doctrines of Islam, and I would be amazed to find out that dozens of Qur'anic passages and hundreds of Hadith were distributed to the jury and the judge, as the government made its case by first introducing, and explaining, the belief-system of Islam, and how it relates, or explains, the behavior of the defendants. No doubt this is the sort of thing the government is afraid to engage in. But engage in it must, if it is not to lose more casese. And it should start with the legal staffs of state and federal attorneys all over the country. Those who will in any way be connected to, involved with, such cases, need to learn, or need to be taught, about Islam - and not by a quick read of what assorted apologists, espositos and armstrongs (or for that matter, that thrusting young academic, Noah Feldman, the pretend "expert" on Islamic law who has managed through artful career management to attain to a tenured post at Harvard Law School), have on offer. Joseph Schacht, Antoine Fattal, David Margoliouth, C. Snouck Hurgronje, and all the real scholars of Islam (not the latter-day unsaintly MESA-Nostrans) past and present (there are still some, in Leiden and Aix-en-Provence and even Ithaca, New York)are all there to be read and understood, or read and reduced to lucid easily-managed bits by those well-versed in Islam and possessing the necessary pedagogic flair.

This has to be discussed in the Justice Department, before more farcical results, the results of incomplete presentation, of a judge unschooled in Islam, and a jury largely incapable of passing judgment on such matters, reoccur.

Posted by: Hugh at October 24, 2007 12:07 PM

@american made stratocaster (I prefer the Tele)

Terrorists in the Woods

Ever since Sept. 11, 2001, much of the world's focus has been on the issue of terrorism. The tragic deaths of thousands of Americans in New York, Pennsylvania and Washington, D.C., coupled with hundreds of deaths in Spain and Bali at the hands of terrorists, has led to wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the creation of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, and the expenditure of billions of dollars (that's billions with a capital “B”) to improve security and reduce the risks from terrorists and their weapons of mass destruction.

The massive increases in the federal budget for protection from terrorism mostly have been sent to police and structural fire departments. But what about the threat of terrorist-caused wildland fires in our forests, community watersheds and wildland-urban interface? Who's worried about that threat, what are they doing about it, and how much is being spent to fund the efforts to prevent it?

The history of fire as a tool of warfare is well-documented: Native Americans used fire against their enemies, both other tribes and the expanding Europeans; the Aboriginal people of Australia used fire to discourage the incursion of the British settlers onto their island. In World War II, the Japanese launched “fire balloons” against the western United States. While largely unsuccessful, they started a few fires and killed six people in Oregon. The Palestinians in the latter half of the 20th century used fire to try to destroy Israel's carefully planted pine plantations.

Now, as more and more folks are moving into the wildland-urban interface, the danger of fire as a weapon is even greater. Even under the best of circumstances — when a single ignition occurs under critical fire conditions — hundreds and thousands of citizens are threatened with entrapment, injury or death from rapidly spreading fires. Imagine if a small band of determined terrorists, with only some basic fire weather knowledge and fire behavior training, decided to set multiple ignitions in some of our most vulnerable areas, like heavily populated valley bottoms with limited egress/access and a heavy, dry fuel loading at the peak of the burning period?

There are many such areas around the world: in the foothills of Andalusia in Spain; outside of Sydney and Melbourne, Australia; and in numerous areas of the United States from Florida to the Pine Barrens of New York to the foothills surrounding Los Angeles. Even my own hometown of Missoula, Mont., has areas that fit all the above criteria, and is surely at risk under the wrong combination of weather conditions and a committed terrorist with fire on the brain. And any of us who have traveled to areas like Red Bird, Ky., in the fall when the “woods-burners” are out in force have an appreciation of “domestic terrorism” at work.

The real question that lingers for fire managers at risk from terrorists is what are you planning to do to prevent terrorist-ignited wildfires intended to destroy resources, kill innocent civilians and disrupt normal life? Are you prepared to deal with multiple terrorist-ignited wildfires under the worst possible conditions?

Legislators in the countries that are being targeted by terrorists: What are you going to do to ensure that the wildland fire agencies in your areas are trained, equipped and financed to address these threats?

The clock is ticking, and it's probably a matter of when rather than if such events will occur. Where do we go from here?

http://wildfiremag.com/command/terrorists_woods/

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at October 24, 2007 12:25 PM

Has anyone made an attempt to determine what the religious affiliation of the jurors is?

It would be interesting to know if there were any Muslims jurors, and if they might have hung the jury in this case.

Alter all, the defense would have had a say in the selecting jury.

If there were Muslim jurors, I doubt that the media would have even mentioned it.

Posted by: rational at October 24, 2007 12:25 PM

Kangaroo court is in session!

Posted by: champ at October 24, 2007 1:20 PM

"U.S. District Judge Joe Fish barred key evidence helping prosecutors prove willful intent to support terror on the part of defendants."
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Evidence could be disallowed, if it were obtained by warrantless wiretaps. The judge could even disallow evidence if the defendants were not advised of their Miranda "rights".

Whenever I hear of a foiled terror plot, either in the USA or Europe, I listen for evidence obtained by internet surveillance or wiretaps. The Dhimmicrats would make it impossible to obtain such evidence, possibly allowing future terror plots to be carried out.
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CT Yank

Posted by: CTYankee at October 24, 2007 2:22 PM

• FBI wiretaps of a meeting in Philadelphia between Holy Land and Hamas big shots in which Holy Land's director is overheard scheming to disguise payments to Hamas as charity, noting that "war is deception."

CAIR and Fibrahim Hooper are part of the deception. However, I'm coming to the conclusion that its Saudi-A-Gas-station ("Family owned") money that is the hinge holding up all these rotten doors of deception. All truth re Jihad is ultimately compromised by the gas station.

The reason why Amnesty International is getting nowhere in protesting the truly apartheid conditions in Saudi Arabia, including the vicious exploitation of "guest workers" there, is because of the gas. Laura Bush is over there now kissing ass for gas. CAIR, Muslim propaganda, compromised politicians, etc. are all in existence because of the gas station.

We must go to alternative energy and shut down the primary source of the problem. CAIR-liars, Hamas (even Iran)are minor problems compared to the gas station.

Posted by: Frank at October 24, 2007 2:39 PM

"Has anyone made an attempt to determine what the religious affiliation of the jurors is?"

...how about their IQ....somehow I am picturing Carrot Top, PEE WEE Herman, and some I like MOve on .org types....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at October 24, 2007 2:53 PM

"Has anyone made an attempt to determine what the religious affiliation of the jurors is?"

...how about their IQ....somehow I am picturing Carrot Top, PEE WEE Herman, and some I like MOve on .org types....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at October 24, 2007 2:53 PM

Cowards, cowards, lowly Dallas jury cowards!
It is not the matter of streamling evidence. The evidence was enormous and solid as Ayers Rock in the Australian Outback. Judge Joe Fish or Joe Snail, those 12 little human mollusks in the jury box, both spineless and guttless, only cared about crawling back into their shells in one piece. They betrayed justice, they failed their civic duty, they betrayed Israel, they betrayed their own country, they betrayed the entire Western civilization letting an enormous, global Jihad Powerhouse with a billion-dollar war-chest off the hook - all this out of the most primitive, base physical cowardice. Frankly, I wasn't surprised with the outcome at all, just the opposite: I had the sickening expectation of just this kind of display of cowardice by those jurors. It is only the latest of the cowardly capitulations by jurors to Muslim jihad thugs: the obscene acquittal of El-Sayyid Nossair, the murderer of Rabbi Meir Cahane, in 1991, by 12 New York City cowards, the obscene acquittal of Osama "Sami" al-Arian last year, by 12 Tampa cowards, the obscene acquittal of the career Hamas terrorist Muhammad Saleh by 12 Chicago cowards, just this past February. It is an epidemic of cowardice spreading throughout the USA, the so-called "home of the brave", and it is spreading from the top. As they say, fish rots from the head, and our cowards-in-chief, starting with Carter, haven been rotting us bad for the last 30 years. Who can blame a sh..y Dallas coward for chickening out if all those obscene Reagans and Clintons did?

Posted by: Enragedsince1999 at October 24, 2007 3:22 PM

...CAIR gloats on Muslim terrorist victory....gee...who woulda thunk that!...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at October 25, 2007 6:47 AM

Ynkedoodl2, teles are cool too, different sounds than a strat but still cool as all hell nonetheless. I also mentioned the MRSA staff infection spreading through some schools in the northeast. Don't want to sound paranoid, but, what are the chances this could be some bio terror stuff? I'm just a lowly guitarist, who has a ton of questions.

Posted by: americanmadestrat at October 25, 2007 9:43 AM