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Anjem Chaudary, poor misunderstood lamb, is on this videotape explaing that no non-Muslims are innocent. None.
War Is Deceit Update: "Islamic fundamentalist claims he is victim of propaganda," by Caroline O’Doherty for the Irish Examiner (thanks to Twostellas):
A LEADING Islamic fundamentalist, who said previously Ireland was a target for terrorist attack because of the US military’s use of Shannon, claimed last night he was a victim of propaganda.However, Anjem Choudary, a British-born self-styled cleric who has been investigated numerous times by the British police for his extremist pronouncements, repeated his assertion to a gathering in Trinity College, Dublin, last night that followers of Islam could not accept secular authority.
Mr Choudary said democratic, liberal states were plagued by rape, paedophilia, pornography, bestiality, drug and alcohol abuse and suicide. “When you push the boundaries of freedom and liberalism, that is the result. That is how people practice their freedom. We do not want that imported into our community.”
Paging Dinesh D'Souza: Dinesh, I think I've found you a Traditional Muslim. If you meet with Anjem, however, just...watch your back.
The audience at the Dublin University Philosophical Society debate also heard a radical Muslim cleric, who has been banned from Britain for promoting extremist views, say that followers of Islam could not accept the authority of a secular state.Omar Bakri Mohammed spoke in a video message to the debate where Muslim fundamentalists and moderates argued the motion that Islam is incompatible with western liberal society.
Lebanon-based Mr Mohammed, who lost his asylum status in Britain after saying the British people brought the London bombings on themselves, said Islam was a complete way of life that could not yield to any other way. “Islam is a complete system of living, the Sharia system. Islam has political beliefs — it cannot co-exist with another political belief.”
He added: “There will be strife. It could be political, it could be ideological, it could be military struggle.”
Moderate Muslims follow in the story, saying that Chaudary and Bakri are twisting Islam, but not explaining how or why, or what can be done to blunt their appeal among Muslims.
Posted by Robert at October 26, 2007 2:00 PM
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"When you push the boundaries of freedom and liberalism, that is the result. That is how people practice their freedom. We do not want that imported into our community."
-So why are we importing his like-minded Muslims into our countries? I don't want these people imported into my community.
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at October 26, 2007 2:12 PM
npabga:
If that wasn't a fastball right down the middle...
Posted by: JohnAdams at October 26, 2007 2:15 PM
npabga, you beat me to it.
Posted by: interestinconundrum at October 26, 2007 2:24 PM
A Mohammedan was spreading his bile at Dublin University. Were there any protests? Was he shouted into silence?
We all know the answers.
Posted by: Pelayo at October 26, 2007 2:36 PM
"Mr Choudary said democratic, liberal states were plagued by rape, paedophilia, pornography, bestiality, drug and alcohol abuse and suicide".
Of course the ummah doesn't suffer from these ills-that's why this bunch strives to bring us their idea of the perfect world even if it means killing every last one of us to do so. How thoughtful of them.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at October 26, 2007 2:42 PM
Well, of course no 'kaffir' is innocent, silly!
Islam institutionalizes first degree murder and normally non-Muslims do NOT. It is now quite clear that killing is and ALWAYS has been central to Islamic dogma and practice. "Al-lah is happy when the kaffir is killed"-- imam abu Hamza al-Masri.
Any system built upon enslaving the masses and degrades life itself would necessarily be forced to demonize anything outside that system that DOES value life. Hence, the hated 'bette noir' status of the 'kaffir' or non-Muslim.
Respect for human life is abhorrent to Islam and those who perpetuate Islam. The kaffir's value of human life could 'spread' at any moment and undermine Islam's hold on its captive hordes. Light is more powerful than darkness, and Islam can not take a chance on light winning out over darkness.
Posted by: pythagoras at October 26, 2007 2:49 PM
He is just laughing at our government. He can call for murder safe in the knowledge that the government will do nothing to stop him because we are now a "multicultural" country, and he is a muslim. It is unbelievable that he is allowed to live in my country. Animals like Choudhary are filling the power vacuum created by our government, which is attemping to turn our country into some kind of marxist state. If this government truly believed that there are peaceful muslims they would deport this pig immediately.
Posted by: DaveMate at October 26, 2007 3:01 PM
"Mr Choudary said democratic, liberal states were plagued by rape, paedophilia, pornography, bestiality, drug and alcohol abuse and suicide."
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Jihadist suicide bombers look forward to all of the above in Paradise!
at October 26, 2007 3:44 PM
And muslim states have rape, honor killings, beatings, hangings (for being raped), stonings, beheadings, women wearing bags on their heads, etc. etc. etc. That is how muslims practice their sharia. We do not want that imported into our community. Go back to your sand box, and take your friends with you.
Posted by: walterc at October 26, 2007 4:09 PM
Whenever a muslim fundamentalist speaks without deception, he hangs himself.
(kinda unlike the lefties who, seeking the egalitarian life out of your pocket and your life - are afraid to speak without deception)
Let's talk about islam, because islam right now is the enemy.
It is what it is and it says what it says and it is incompatible with our culture and values.
And Tinseltown Hollywood as yet does not reflect what most people in the West are thinking. But when they do, and it wont be long, this part of the war will also be won.
Posted by: dgene at October 26, 2007 4:35 PM
"Mr Choudary said democratic, liberal states were plagued by rape, paedophilia, pornography, bestiality, drug and alcohol abuse and suicide." ------------------------------------------------Jihadist suicide bombers look forward to all of the above in Paradise!
Good one CT!!
:-) ^5
Posted by: Battle_of_Tours at October 26, 2007 4:37 PM
I feel like I'm the victim of this propaganda, anybody else?
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/laurabushhijab.jpg
Posted by: Stinkyinfidel at October 26, 2007 4:38 PM
Stinkyinfidel - Was Bandar Bush there as well? Can't wait til Bush is out of the white House!
Posted by: MP at October 26, 2007 4:41 PM
Not sure just saw the link on Foehammer
Posted by: Stinkyinfidel at October 26, 2007 4:43 PM
So this dud -pardon, this dude- says that "followers of Islam could not accept the authority of a secular state." Hhmmm?
Uh, I had assumed that it was a well-understood concept: each sovereign nation expects its laws to be followed within its borders. It should come as no surprise to anyone, even an unschooled Muslim from a backwater province, that England expects English law to be followed on English soil; Germany expects German law to be followed on German soil; and so on. When Westerners go to Saudi Arabia, Iran, or other Islamic paradises, they have been warned about the prohibitions against booze, consorting with women, even bringing the Bible into that country.
So the question is: why do these dipsticks even bother coming to our Western countries when everything about "us" is at the least distasteful, and most of what we do and how we live is forbidden by Sharia law? Yet, they do come here, then claim it is "unlawful under Sharia" for them to accept in any way the authority of our secular state's government over their lives.
There is an easy solution: deport any who refuse to recognize national authority or who object to abiding by national laws. No hearing, no holding period, no advising of rights. Just escort the fool to the next plane to the Middle East. (They've got swell Sharia laws regarding hospitality, so I'm sure it will be no problem for Mahmood to get a lift from Bangladesh to Iran or wherever.) These instigators of insurrection need to be removed from our Infidel lands. Now. No discussion, no debate. The minute one of these butt-heads says (as a three-year-old might) "You're not the boss of me!" tell him "Yes we are, as long as you're on our land -- but we're going to fix that for you right now. Here's your escort to the airport. Want to call your wife? You can borrow a phone for up to 5 minutes. And by the way, don't bother applying for another visa to our country. Your status is now 'persona non grata'. You won't be coming back."
Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse at October 26, 2007 4:54 PM
"Mr Choudary said democratic, liberal states were plagued by rape, paedophilia, pornography, bestiality, drug and alcohol abuse and suicide. When you push the boundaries of freedom and liberalism, that is the result. That is how people practice their freedom. We do not want that imported into our community."
No Mr. Choudry, I think you missed the point - we do not want it exported to ours;
"A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate vaginally, but sodomising the child is acceptable. If a man does penetrate and damage the child then, he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl will not count as one of his four permanent wives and the man will not be eligible to marry the girl's sister... It is better for a girl to marry at such a time when she would begin menstruation at her husband's house, rather than her father's home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven." ["Tahrirolvasyleh", fourth edition, Qom, Iran, 1990]
"A man can have sex with animals such as sheep, cows, camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village, but selling the meat to a neighbouring village is reasonable." ["Tahrirolvasyleh"]
"If one commits the act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrement become impure and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed as quickly as possible and burned."
"Wine and all intoxicating beverages are impure, but opium and hashish are not."
And of course we all know by now that there are no homosexuals in Islam - at least not in Iran - but just in case;
"If a man sodomises the son, brother, or father of his wife after their marriage, the marriage remains valid."
"During sexual intercourse, if the penis enters a woman's vagina or a man's anus, fully or only as far as the circumcision ring, both partners become impure, even if they have not reached puberty; they must consequently perform ablutions."
- "The Sayings of Ayatollah Khomeini, Political, Philosophical, Social and Religious" (The Little Green Book), ISBN number 0-553-14032-9.
at October 26, 2007 5:30 PM
"Paging Dinesh D'Souza: Dinesh, I think I've found you a Traditional Muslim. If you meet with Anjem, however, just...watch your back."
Naaaa, He is off that kick (at least for now) and is has been spending his time in a crusade against atheist which perhaps has it merits.
He busy debating Hitchens on the dangers of not having a god (or gods) in ones life. Alas the MSM is just eating it up while the real battle is between Islam and the modern world does not get any air time at all. It is such a pity that two men like Hitchens and D'Souza would waste their so-called talents on the least of our problems.
Conclusion: One thinks all religions are bad and one thinks they are all good.
at October 26, 2007 7:43 PM
LMAO@ topic
"misunderstood...victim of propaganda"
OMG, lmao...forget the shovel, get a bulldozer-that BS is deeper than the Marianas Trench...lol
at October 26, 2007 9:46 PM
huh? the IRA were blowing up little kiddies and old women in shopping centers t okeep ireland british free. now they allow these extremist muslims? maybe all the brits had to have done was to convert to islam and we could've walked all over ireland.
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at October 27, 2007 12:17 PM
Anjem Chaudary's statement is essentially accurate in the bizarro world of Islam:
Rape: If not witnessed by 4 males, it is defined as "female immorality".
Paedophilia: If the child is not penetrated or is above age of 9, it's defined as "marriage".
Bestiality: Sex with camels, goats, sheep, livestock, are defined as "recreation".
Suicide: Killing oneself for Allah's favor (by fighting infidels) is defined as "martyrdom"
at October 27, 2007 5:57 PM
Mr Choudary said democratic, liberal states were plagued by rape . . .
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Here's Fjordman on the tripling of rape incidents in Sweden in the past twenty years, largely due to the huge influx of Muslims. Of course, many of the perpetrators may not consider it rape, since the victims area all improperly veiled Kaffirs. Here's the link:
http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/12/immigrant-rape-wave-in-sweden.html
Posted by: gravenimage at October 29, 2007 4:34 PM
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