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No one should be surprised by this. But of course they are surprised, because they refuse to look into the contents of Islamic teaching for themselves. By Toby Helm in the Telegraph (thanks to all who sent this in):
Extremist literature that encourages hatred of gays, Christians and Jews can be easily found at many of Britain's mosques, according to a new survey.Researchers for the centre-Right think tank Policy Exchange claims it found the literature in a quarter of the 100 mosques and Islamic institutions they visited.
Many of the publications allegedly called on British Muslims to segregate themselves from non-Muslims and for unbelievers to be treated as second-class citizens wherever possible.
The literature also allegedly contained repeated calls for gays to be thrown from mountains and tall buildings and for women to be subjugated.
These things are not "extremism." They are mainstream, traditional Islam. Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, directed his followers to “kill the one who sodomizes and the one who lets it be done to him” (‘Umdat al-Salik, p17.3). And the Qur'an says that "men are in charge of women" and that disobedient women should be beaten (4:34).
Thus the absence of literature teaching these things in three quarters of the mosques in Britain is good, but it is not enough. If the Muslims in those mosques don't hold these views, they should explicitly disavow and teach against them.
Policy Exchange said that among the documents were the anti-Semitic forgery, The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, and other publications peddling bizarre conspiracy theories.Anthony Browne, the director of Policy Exchange, said: "It is clearly intolerable that hate literature is peddled at some British mosques.
"I am sure the majority of moderate Muslims will be as horrified as everyone else that pamphlets advocating jihad by force, hatred for insufficiently observant Muslims, Christians and Jews, and segregation have found their way into the UK's mosques."
Yes, I'm sure they're thoroughly horrified that any Muslim takes Qur'an 9:29 as instructions for action today. "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
Policy Exchange visited more than 100 mosques and other Islamic institutions and said it found the literature was accessible both openly and "under the counter". Altogether some 80 books and pamphlets were collected over the course of a year.
Under the counter. So they knew they had something to hide.
And they were funded well -- another manifestation of the Saudi money weapon:
Many of the institutions were among the best funded and most active of Britain's 1,500 or so Islamic establishments. In several cases they had received official visits from politicians and even members of the royal family.
In response, we get excuses, not the taking of responsibility:
Dr Yunes Teinaz, of the London Central Mosque, said: "Any book or literature like this found in the mosque will reflect the views of the author and not at all the view of the mosque." He added that the bookshop in the mosque was not run by the mosque, but was a franchise.
Iqbal Sacranie says it's all because verses of the Qur'an have been -- you guessed it -- taken out of context:
Iqbal Sacranie, a former secretary general of the Muslim Council of Great Britain, criticised the report. He said: "The majority of Muslims will totally dismiss this because it is written by the Policy Exchange, who have an agenda to denigrate the mainstream of Islam in this country."If there is any material which falls foul of the law, then the law should take its course. We cannot accept messages of hate - there is zero tolerance on that. But it is irresponsible to target religious texts and take them out of context. These texts can be found not just in mosques but in ordinary bookshops - the report overlooks that."
Posted by Robert at October 30, 2007 7:52 AM
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I have a feeling people who cant find the connection between Islamic scripture and jihad.terrorism are the same people who are positive Hitler was following Christian teaching.
Hope for the future? Ah not so much.
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at October 30, 2007 8:25 AM
That's exactly one the major problems: As soon a book has written 'Religion' on it, the ability of people to make an ethical and moral judgment flies out the windows. Nobody has a problem with an egotistical, cruel god. If any human was like Allah, we would want to lock him away up for good.
Posted by: Swissy at October 30, 2007 8:29 AM
Amazing how Muslims take the Qur'an so out of context!
Posted by: Crusader at October 30, 2007 8:41 AM
taqqiyah makes it all work out...
(/sarc)
lol
at October 30, 2007 8:46 AM
Notice the pattern:
1. Law enforcement squads find hate lit among Muslims.
2. Muslims first deny.
3. Muslims then accept
4. Muslims blame everyone else EXCEPT the Muslims.
Posted by: Crusader at October 30, 2007 8:54 AM
"If there is any material which falls foul of the law, then the law should take its course. We cannot accept messages of hate - there is zero tolerance on that."
--- from the article above, quoting Iqbal Sacranie
Qur'an 9:29?
Or 9.5?
Or 47.4?
Or 8.60?
Or dozens and dozens of other passages in the Qur'an, in suras deemed later, and therefore superior to, by the doctrine of naskh (abrogation), to any milder verses that may have come before.
What does Iqbal Sacranie think should be done with a book that contains that kind of thing? Would he rip those passages out? Would he ban that book? Does he indeed want "zero tolerance" for "messages of hate"? Would he like to have quoted, on the front pages of English newspapers, 9.29 and 9.5 and 47.4 and 8.60, or would he prefer that they not be brought to the attention of Infidels, unless a small army of smiling imams are there to "explain" that such words are misunderstood, or ripped out of context, or something?
And what about those hundreds and hundreds of the most "authentic" Hadith, in the collections of Bukhari and Muslim, the most authoritative muhaddithin.
And the Life of Muhammad, or so much of the Life of Muhammad, to be found in those Muslim biographies, where the Model of Conduct, uswa hasana, the Perfect Man, al-insan al-kamil, engages in all kinds of conduct that might, just might, give emulative Muslims the wrong idea. The decapitation of the helpless prisoners of the Banu Qurayza, the assassinations of Asma bint Marwan and Abu Akaf, the attack to obtain loot and women on the inoffensive Jewish farmers of the Khaybar Oasis, the deceit of the "treaty" made with the Meccans at Hudaibiyya in 628 A.D., and so much more.
What about all that?
Zero tolerance?
Ask the Hindus, whose mathematicians arrived at the concept of zero then appropriated by invading Muslims, how they have fared, over time, with the "zero tolerance" for messages of hate that the Muslim conquerors apparently brought with them. Ask them what tolerance there was for those who invented the zero, or for any other non-Muslims anywhere.
Posted by: Hugh at October 30, 2007 8:58 AM
european leaders want islam. it isn't that hard to see this. Islam would be good for europe as everyone would be equal, they would all support sharia and islam makes good obedient soldiers.
Napoleon had this vision and so did Hitler and Himmler.
Socialism is unworkable but islam is not.
why do you think that the royal family of UK are bending over backwards to welcome the king of saudi arabia? tony blair encouraged islam, he alloed the funding of the mosques from saudi arabia. a massive growing islamic population in europe. free speech is ending in support of islam.
islam will one day be the dominant religion of europe.
nationalism will end and napoleon's dream of a united states of europe (under islam) will one day be a reality.
if you have time check out these quotes from hitler and napoleon.
napoleon...."I hope the time is not far off when I shall be able to unite all the wise and educated men of all the countries and establish a uniform regime based on the principles of Qur'an which alone are true and which alone can lead men to happiness."
"Hitler usually concluded this historical speculation by remarking, ‘You see, it’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn’t we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness….”5 (A. Speer, Inside the Third Reich, pp. 142-143) "
Himmler, who is reported to have stated: “I have nothing against Islam because it educates the men in this division for me and promises them heaven if they fight and are killed in action. A very practical and attractive religion for soldiers.”
“Hitler had been much impressed by a scrap of history he had learned from a delegation of Arabs. When the Mohammedans attempted to penetrate beyond France into Central Europe during the eighth century, his visitors had told him, they had been driven back at the Battle of Tours. Had the Arabs won this battle, the world would be Mohammedan today. For theirs was a religion that believed in spreading the faith by the sword and subjugating all nations to that faith. The Germanic peoples would have become heirs to that religion. Such a creed was perfectly suited to the Germanic temperament. Hitler said that the conquering Arabs, because of their racial inferiority, would in the long run have been unable to contend with the harsher climate and conditions of the country. They could not have kept down the more vigorous natives, so that ultimately not Arabs but Islamized Germans could have stood at the head of this Mohammedan Empire.
and napoleon ......
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at October 30, 2007 9:01 AM
"Thus the absence of literature teaching these things in three quarters of the mosques in Britain is good, but it is not enough. If the Muslims in those mosques don't hold these views, they should explicitly disavow and teach against them."
-Robert Spencer
Or perhaps instead they should be disavowing their faith, as you can't just pick and choose (cherrypick) parts you're going to believe in. You either believe or not...it's either the teachings of God or not......you don't simply get the luxury of picking and choosing.
Posted by: Sneakyzionistcrusader at October 30, 2007 9:01 AM
Wasnt there that great song: There'll always be an England, and England shall be free...
A once great country - despite JK Rowling et al - kiss your butt goodby
And Enock Powell predicted it all, ( the public destroyed the messenger).
Let's see if you can rouse yourself, old girl.
Posted by: dgene at October 30, 2007 9:07 AM
Is there any other kind of literature to find there?
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at October 30, 2007 9:13 AM
Another case of shooting the messenger.
Posted by: eve_anne_gelical at October 30, 2007 9:29 AM
The only folks that think this literature and texts is extreme are the Islamophobes (like me).
I understand a fatwa for the death of Dunderdore has been issued.
at October 30, 2007 9:54 AM
The literature also allegedly contained repeated calls for gays to be thrown from mountains and tall buildings and for women to be subjugated.
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These things are not "extremism." They are mainstream, traditional Islam.
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Yes--and it was disheartening during Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week to hear counter-demonstrators jeer at the idea that Islam oppresses women and gay people. This despite the hanging of young gay men in Iran, female rape victims imprisoned in Pakistan, and even religious police in Saudi Arabia preventing the rescue of young girls from a burning school because some of them might not be "properly" clad in their abeyas.
from the above article:
Thus the absence of literature teaching these things in three quarters of the mosques in Britain is good
and
Policy Exchange visited more than 100 mosques and other Islamic institutions and said it found the literature was accessible both openly and "under the counter".
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I wish I could feel confident that three quarters of the mosques in Britain do not carry this sort of literature. The reference to keeping such literature "under the counter" is what caught my eye.
I'm not sure that researchers for a "centre-right British think tank" are those who might most reasonably find easy access to this literature--I think it more likely that such literature would be shared with fellow Muslims, especially those who had an established association with the mosque of some duration; and most especially those who expressed such views themselves.
I am sure that there are mosques in Britain that do not carry such literature. But I find it more alarming that in one quarter of mosques that this literature was so pervasive that it was easily available to members of the public.
Posted by: gravenimage at October 30, 2007 9:57 AM
Where are the LIBERALS? Imagine if the pamphlet rack at St. Patrick's cathedral included "Homosexuals must be killed." Or if a German Lutheran church were selling copies of "Mein Kampf?" How about a Russian Orthodox book-seller hawking "The Protocalls....or 'How to keep your children alive at Passover."
All a good old Evangelical needs to do is say "Love the sinner but hate the sin" and the PC gangs are all over him. The fact that the Catholic Church won't ordain women is enough to send so many of the "enlightened" into a tizzy. What? No altar girls? And God forbid that CNN's Amanpour should learn that some Jews and Christians believe that Israel has a right to exist!
If we are headed for domination by Islam it will be out of sheer stupidity on our part - which is actually the best basis for a sincere and lasting conversion to that "religion."
at October 30, 2007 10:55 AM
Man Seeking Antidote for Mustard Gas.
Posted by: Borg at October 30, 2007 12:02 PM
This same evidence was brought to light by Muslim scholar, Ahmed Mansour, during the Boston mosque lawsuit. Mansour found hate and anti-American pamphlets in a Cambridge mosque. When he went public with it, the Islamic Society of Boston sued him for defamation.
Saudi Wahabbi supremicist literature was found in mosques across the United States as pointed out by the Freedom Foundation in 2005 and presented to the US Senate.
at October 30, 2007 1:25 PM
Sansantiago
this british priest was quizzed by cops for this..."Last night the priest said his 'offending' remarks had concerned Shabina Begum, who, represented by Cherie Blair QC, claimed unsuccessfully that it was her human right to be allowed to wear her jilbab, a loose gown, in class.
After hearing an interview with the girl, Mr Hayes suggested in his internet bulletin to his parishioners that it was never possible to convince anyone by argument in matters of religion.
"My point was that you have to demonstrate what it means to be Christian through your actions," he said."
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at October 30, 2007 2:10 PM
gravenimage:
I'm not sure that researchers for a "centre-right British think tank" are those who might most reasonably find easy access to this literature--I think it more likely that such literature would be shared with fellow Muslims
You'd be surprised what can be found if you know where to look. The Islamic bookshop in my old London High Street used to display copies of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion in its shop window.
A recent British TV documentary on anti-Semitism in the UK found Arabic copies of Mein Kampf openly on sale in an Arab-run news vendor in London's Edgware Road.
On a brighter note, LGF has a video of the Policy Exchange's Dean Godson demolishing Inayat Bunglawala, the Dr Goebbels of the Muslim Council of Britain, on last night's Channel 4 news. I enjoyed the interview, and most enjoyed watching Bungle trying to squirm and worm his way out of actually condemning the texts.
Posted by: Matamoros
at October 30, 2007 11:35 PM
Dear all
I have just posted a comment on my Blog about the Policy Exchange's report on 'Hate literature' found in the UK mosques. Although, because of my research and study, I am very aware of the phenomenon, I am very disappointed at the level of the research and the lack of a serious methodology and research plan, which, at the end, invalidate all Policy Exchange's report.
I think that research on this topic should be conducted by experienced academics in the field as well as funded by apolitical research bodies. I think that this quite amateurish research and report has damaged the possibility of further serious research, which is needed beyond useless political correctness.
Best wishes
Gabriele
Posted by: Dr Gabriele Marranci at October 31, 2007 12:25 PM
Matamoros wrote:
You'd be surprised what can be found if you know where to look. The Islamic bookshop in my old London High Street used to display copies of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion in its shop window.
A recent British TV documentary on anti-Semitism in the UK found Arabic copies of Mein Kampf openly on sale in an Arab-run news vendor in London's Edgware Road.
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Appalling. I never meant to imply that this stuff was hard to find, just that it is probably even more pervasive than this study finds. Rather like an old adult book store where the really hard-core stuff is kept under the counter for "special customers".
Posted by: gravenimage at October 31, 2007 2:16 PM
I found this stuff out 10 years ago and was treated like some mad raving lunatic from a monty python sketch..ostracised,debagged,blackballed..take your pick.
Now i'm vindicated on a daily basis..excuse me for feeling a little smug.But at least this stuff is getting out there and Channel4 to their credit are doing a damn sight more to expose the likes of bunglawallah and his cronies at MCB(CAIR for dummies).
Notice Bunglawallas claims of over 2million muslims in the U.K.
Not 3 months ago it was 1.6 million..a 500,000 hike in 3 months..it does feel like an invasion in every large to medium U.K. that is true.
On a lighter note for those of you who enjoyed the coldstream guards band playing the death star theme for star wars...
I can gaurantee it was deliberate..I have a few friends from that regiment and the choice of music will not be an accident.
This reflects the real attitude of Brits on the subject of islamisation.
We can see it everyday...we know whats going on but are powerless to stop it.
The elites have made a pact...they have backed the wrong horse and sadly the British people will have to pay for it at some point.
I only hope our friends and allies can see it in their hearts to cross the pond again to help us out.
We may need it...
at October 31, 2007 4:30 PM
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