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And they didn't mean an interior spiritual struggle.
"Expert: Miami Group Ready for Holy War," by Curt Anderson for Associated Press (thanks to Block Ness):
MIAMI (AP) -- A group of men accused of plotting to destroy Chicago's Sears Tower were in the final stages of forming a homegrown terrorist cell dedicated to waging an Islamic holy war before they were arrested, a prosecution terrorism expert testified Tuesday.Raymond Tanter, a Georgetown University professor and terrorism scholar for 40 years, said suspected ringleader Narseal Batiste and the other six had nearly completed the "radicalization process" and moved toward acts of terrorism before their arrests in June 2006.
Hallmarks of this process include religious conversion, operation within a military-style hierarchy and adoption of goals shared by al-Qaida and other terrorist groups to destroy U.S. landmarks, Tanter said. The final stage - which he called "jihadization" - means the group is ready to plan, recruit and prepare for an attack.
"I believe that Mr. Batiste falls in the jihadization, or final stage of the radicalization process," Tanter said, adding the other members of the "Liberty City Seven" also fall into that category.
Evidence introduced at trial shows that Batiste "was talking only about violent jihad" and not other meanings of the Arabic word, such as self-examination, Tanter said.
The oath of allegiance to al-Qaida and Osama bin Laden taken by the seven men - captured on an FBI videotape - "is the manner in which al-Qaida binds individuals to the organization," Tanter said.
The oath was administered by a man Batiste's group knew as "Brother Mohammed" who claimed to be an emissary sent by al-Qaida to assist in the purported terror plot. In reality, "Mohammed" paid FBI informant Elie Assad, who testified earlier that he was playing a role under close watch of FBI agents.
Posted by Robert at October 31, 2007 3:39 PM
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Some day the U.S. government will:
1. End Muslim immigration.
2. Close down all mosques.
3. Declare that Islam is not a religion.
4. Deny its practitioners First Amendment protections.
5. Deport Muslim troublemakers to the Islamic paradise of their choosing.
It might take fifty years, we might lose thousands more citizens to Islamic murderers while waiting for the government to act, but these measures will eventually be implemented. Mark my words. Print this screen and stick it in your Bible.
Posted by: ChristianRepublic![[TypeKey Profile Page]](http://www.jihadwatch.org/nav-commenters.gif)
at October 31, 2007 4:27 PM
ChristianRepublic,
Dont say that on LGF, that can get you banned.
Posted by: Elric66 at October 31, 2007 4:29 PM
an item concerning the internet jihad from debka....
http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=4723
Posted by: rubicon220 at October 31, 2007 4:29 PM
There are many - including Fox's own Geraldo Rivera, who have laughed this group off as a joke not worthy of our concern or attention. Of course, they'd be singing a completely different tune if the plot had come to fruition.
Posted by: Cornelius at October 31, 2007 4:32 PM
Geraldo Rivera is a moron
Posted by: Elric66 at October 31, 2007 4:38 PM
I got this recently from an email. Whether it's genuine or not, I believe it's the proper approach for the rest of the world that harbor Muslim immigrants.
The US should adapt a similar, if not stronger, stance as well.
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Prime Minister John Howard - Australia
Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.
A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to Australia and her Queen at a special meeting with Prime Minister John Howard, he and his Ministers made it clear that extremists would face a crackdown. Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if they did not accept that Australia was a secular state, and its laws were made by parliament.
"If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you", he said on National Television.
"I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws governing people in Australia: one the Australian law and another Islamic law, that is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary law, independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law, have the opportunity to go to another country, which practices it, perhaps, then, that's a better option," Costello said.
Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move to the other country. Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values should clear off.
"Basically people who don't want to be Australians, and who don't want to live by Australian values and understand them, well then, they can basically clear off", he said.
Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote:
"IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians."
"However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the 'politically correct' crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Australia . However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand. This idea of Australia being a multi-cultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. And as Australians, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle.
"This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.
"We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society. Learn the language!
"Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.
"We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.
"If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like "A Fair Go", then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. By all means, keep your culture, but do not force it on others.
"This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.
"If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU chose."
Posted by: Gerry at October 31, 2007 5:15 PM
"Learn the language!"
majority of islamic immigrants are taught english as a 2nd language. more smokescreens and pretend to get tough from a western leader.
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at October 31, 2007 5:36 PM
As noted above, most of the media have written off these jihadists as amateurs, not worth investigating. If they had succeeded, then they (the MSM) would have been screaming about how they slipped through the net.
Posted by: interestinconundrum at October 31, 2007 5:55 PM
I work in the Sears Tower.. i'm on the front line baby!
Posted by: Vince at October 31, 2007 8:11 PM
The US needs to buy Devil's Island, fix it up and then send all this jihadist garbage over there. Prison is too good for them.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at October 31, 2007 9:10 PM
God bless John Howard! Would that our leaders were so bold.
He is a strong Christian and very well worthy of our prayers for his re-election.
I think they are our strongest ally.
Posted by: guide inside at November 1, 2007 1:09 AM
"ChristianRepublic, Dont say that on LGF, that can get you banned."
Been there, had that done.
at November 1, 2007 9:51 AM
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