The UK will fall before that happens

Posted by: Elric66 at November 1, 2007 12:06 PM

Parasitic Islamism: When the Guest Consumes the Host

Islam will not tolerate encroachment upon a Muslim’s freedom to worship and behave as Allah demands, and will use not only all but any means to achieve the submission of the violating party, i.e. surrender from the host country.

“When Muslim minorities become frustrated by the unworkability of a pluralistic society, either because they believe they are discriminated against or their expectations are not met, they become antagonistic to their host society. This is so much more so when they perceive the majority as having transgressed the limits of previous coexistence and encroached upon their freedom of worship or conduct. In such cases, they use Western vocabulary (freedom, tolerance, democracy, human rights, etc.) to impress upon their hosts that while they wish to play by the rules of their adoptive countries, it is the latter that violate them. In more extreme cases, like with some Muslim fundamentalist leaders (religious actors par excellence) in London, they claim that they came to Europe in order to change it, not to be reshaped by it, or they reject Western attitudes altogether. This sets the Muslim minority, and especially the fundamentalist elements in its midst, on a collision course with the host authorities. Militant elements among this disaffected minority may seek political or cultural autonomy (such as the London Muslim ‘Parliament’).

“In India, Muslims had conquered the land and subjugated Hinduism, but when Muslim power was eroded by the British, Islam sought and achieved separation from the Hindus for the most part, rather than submit to the democratic rule of modern India that would have allowed the Hindus to exercise political domination over the Muslims. When the majority of Indian Muslims established their own state (Pakistan), their 'ulama spoke of the reinstitution of the Shari'a as their state law. There was no alternative to this arrangement if one bears in mind the fact that Islam is incompatible with other political ideologies.

“As Orthodox Muslims see it, and much more so the fundamentalists among them, Islam is ideally an either-or affair. Either Islamic law and institutions are given full expression and dominate state life or, failing that, if the state is non-Islamic, Muslims should try to reverse the situation or leave.

“Despite the initial naïve days of Muslim immigration into Europe, when it was assumed that Muslim minorities would integrate painlessly into the much more prosperous nations where they made their new homes, difficulties began to emerge from the outset, which were dismissed as pangs of acculturation. But as the years passed, the Muslim communities grew, their Muslim radicalism came to the surface, and the illusion of integration began to fade, replaced by the illusory vision of multi-cultural societies, which made cultural concessions to the immigrants in order to accommodate them and make them partners in the system. But far from satisfying the Muslims of Europe, whose growing numbers gave them the necessary self-confidence to defy the system, that only further increased their sense of alienation from their host countries. The Europeans, in turn, sensing that their liberalism had turned against them, began to try to back-pedal, but it was too late and the collision became inevitable.”

http://blog.historyalie.org/

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at November 1, 2007 12:08 PM

"BRITAIN faces a 30-YEAR war to crush terrorists intent on mass slaughter here, Gordon Brown’s security supremo warned yesterday."

And that problem is self inflicted. It's like painting yourself into a corner.

USA, Canada, learn from that!

Posted by: sounder at November 1, 2007 12:25 PM

Exactly how do they change the next generation's minds when they are fed unending propoganda/preaching from wahabist/deobandi imams throughoout the nation?

I was in England in the early '90s and even then the moslems were spouting off how England was going to be an islamic nation in the future...by hook or by crook. Unfortunately the leadership of the West didn't believe it or didn't care. It's going to be a little more difficult putting the genie back in the bottle at this point, don't ya think?

Posted by: eve_anne_gelical at November 1, 2007 12:30 PM

USA, Canada, learn from that!

Posted by: sounder at November 1, 2007 12:25 PM

So far, so bad. We learn nothing from either the troubles of others or from history. 30 years are nothing-this war has been going on for 1400 years and will last until either the Destroyers capture the world or destroy it or are themselves freed from Koranic madness. I suppose it's nice to know that an official at least acknowledges that this is indeed a long term problem.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 1, 2007 12:31 PM

Beats me why anyone would make such an idiotic statement.

But if the UK doesn't stop the Islamo-takeover the Brit's will be assimilated within 10 years, they already hit the skids...

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at November 1, 2007 12:32 PM

Four or five years or never. Gone forever.

This moronic ass with his 'thirty year predictions' belongs just under Your Daily Horoscope and next to the Word Puzzle in any daily newspaper.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at November 1, 2007 12:34 PM

Seems like he is buying time. As long they fight terror and not Islam, it will take forever. But after all, it is just more work for MI5, security guards. An intimidated population is easier to control. Dreamland for politicans.

Posted by: Swissy at November 1, 2007 12:40 PM

The MSM responded to the London bombings by predicting that the UK would immediately withdraw from the War on Terror. That hasn't happened yet, even with the transfer of leadership from Blair to Brown.

The US media seemed very disappointed that London did not cut and run as Spain did. It seems that the Dhimmicrats celebrate, whenever the USA loses another ally.
--
CT Yank

Posted by: CTYankee at November 1, 2007 12:48 PM

Why 30 years? Why not 50 or 100? Why any specific time at all? Does the Qur'an have a sell-by date: "No good after 2037" or "pay no attention to after 2047" (of course, the years would have to be transmuted into anno-hegirae (in the Year of the Hegira) or "fuggetaboutit after 2057."

Does Admiral Lord West know the canonical texts of Islam? Has he studied, studied with the appropriate necessary leisure, studied until he has not only read the Qur'an, read hundreds of the most authoritative Hadith, grasped the significance of Muhammad at the center of it all (not the figure of Allah, but rather the figure of Muhammad, is at the center of Islam) and the main, very disturbing details of the life of this Model of Conduct, uswa hasana, this Perfect Man, al-insan al-kamil? Has he read the Muslim commentators? Has he read Snouck Hurgronje? Schacht? Antoine Fattal? Henri Lammens? Even those Christian clergymen, St. Clair Tisdall and Samuel Zwemer? Arthur Jeffrey, perhaps? Edmond Fagnan? Georges Vajda? No? Not one? What about "The Dhimmi" and "Islam and Dhimmitude" by Bat Ye'or, that pioneering scholar of the dhimmi condition? No time for that? Too many people to meet, too many policy-planning meetings in Whitehall to attend, where everyone is listening, including those Muslim advisers who have offered to help out, to guide things appropriately?

God save, not the Queen, but Great Britain. It's difficult to see who else will do it. Very few of those now in positions of power seem to possess the ability, or the minds, to do so.

Posted by: Hugh at November 1, 2007 12:52 PM

"Britain's security chief says terror war will take 30 years"

And does Britain intend to continue importing Muslim immigrants for those 30 years? How does Lord West expect that Britain is going to change the minds of new immigrants fresh from the Muslim world?

Why is it that Lord West accepts the proposition that Britain must continue allowing Muslims to immigrate to his country. It's as if there's nothing Britain can or should do about it.

Britain's problem could be solved in a few short years: stop all Muslem to the country, and deport those who show the slightest tendency to be disloyal to the British government or Western values.

The solution isn't really all that complicated.

Posted by: rational at November 1, 2007 1:01 PM

Doesn't that depend on how hard we smash them, how quickly we outlaw islam, how soon we create alternative fuel solutions and let the middle east turn back into a pile of sand, and how soon we start jailing and deporting those who adhere to the cult of darkness and death (islam)while also denying their entry into the civilized world? Seems there are quite a few things in our control.

Posted by: angryeagle at November 1, 2007 1:04 PM

angryeagle,

I love your solutions on how to protect the West. Its really not that difficult if you see the road we are headed.

Posted by: Elric66 at November 1, 2007 1:07 PM

I’d argue that it will take less than 30 years. Things should go hot right about the time that the West’s money runs out and the welfare state comes crashing down, probably within a decade.

o/t: Good News! I’m sitting at a Panera Bread (near one of those personal injury attorneys whom I recognize from a series of billboards, who looks way creepier in person). Anyway, Jihadwatch is no longer banned at Panera.

Posted by: pez at November 1, 2007 1:21 PM

With the type of people they have running the UK nowadays, my prediction is that not only will the UK lose the war against terror altogether, it will see its national identity disintegrate over the next decade or so as well.

Islam equals terrorism. England is a living testiment to what happens to any society that loses sight of this tragic reality.

No gloating. America appears to be next in line...

Posted by: pythagoras at November 1, 2007 1:28 PM

There was an ad campaign for a movie about vampires just out recently that said, 'in order for them to live you must die'. You don't know how bad I wanted to replace the word 'them' with 'muslims'.

Oh, I wanted to do it soooo bad. I couldn't because I believe, as an adult, I am supposed to set the example for anyone younger than me and to spoil a sign is just doing what taggers do - and to me that is wrong. Yes, there were people in there considerably younger than me. (I was on Bart)

But, I don't agree with the English in this one. I think it will take very much longer and even Thomas Jefferson admitted that if the tide of islamic imperialism ebbs - the populace will become complacent - like we have found our societies have become since Jefferson's time. Islamic imperialism is always going to be 'out there' if they don't win this time around because that is what their goals are - to make the world islamic. (gag)

Posted by: R_not at November 1, 2007 1:36 PM

Oh, I should add that with what the Brits have been doing with the muslim's poor behavior in their country - I am on the same side as those who think they will succomb just as Lebanon, Eastern Europe, and many other countries succombed into the abyss of violence and chaos.

Posted by: R_not at November 1, 2007 1:42 PM

"Why 30 years? Why not 50 or 100?" Exactly!

When are they going to realize that this war has already been going on for fourteen centuries? It is time for rollback. As long as the West simply tried to contain the Soviets, communism continued to spread, but when Reagan actively began to support rollback, the Soviet leaders realized they could not sustain their unworkable system.

In the few cases where a policy of rollback in response to Islam has been seriously applied, it has worked. For example... Spain under Isabella, Romania under Vlad Dracul, in India under Shivaji or Gulab Singh, and in Russia under Ivan III or General Suvorov. Sadly, other these, very few leaders have actively tried to de-Islamize those areas liberated from the Muslims. Today, the US and other Western powers actually work to strengthen Islamic control in the areas they dominate.

Posted by: Provoslavni at November 1, 2007 1:43 PM

angryeagle:

The Middle East is no longer entirely dependent on petroleum exports to the western democracies as it was as recently as a decade or two back.

The rise of Asia has changed the balance of world power and the global economy. Western Europe and China BOTH have poured billions into the Muslim world's economies including those on the Arabian Peninsula. Check out the numerous high rises of Dubai and Abu Dhabi--it's quite amazing. Although Europe itself almost entirely lacks high rise cities, large western European corporations have built them in places like the UAE and Malaysia. Iran is attracting large-scale investment from various Asian countries including Japan and the the EU currently due to its booming telecommunications sector (I kid you not). India is constructing a pipeline from Iran to Bombay. Pakistan now has a "film industry" which it calls "Lollywood" (ha ha, but it's nonetheless true); somehow Pakistan manages to register economic growth of over 5% annually (don't ask me how as I couldn't tell you). In many Arab nations, while the masses of people live in dire poverty the governments are pouring many billions into technological advances.

My point: do NOT expect western democracies' boycott of middle East petroleum to have much impact on the spread of Islamic terrorism because the Islamic nations' econmomies no longer require petroleum sales to America to exist. Ten years ago you would have been RIGHT--but not now.

That train already left the station. We need to update our strategies against Islamic terrorism's advancement worldwide.

Posted by: pythagoras at November 1, 2007 1:45 PM

30 years - predicting the future as a poster said recently is " a crap shoot"

For me this whole thing will come to a head well before 30 years - either Iran will get and use the bomb or the west will attack and neutralise Iran - either of these possibilities will change radically the dynamics of the situation - polarisation will be the order of the day and we in the West need polarisation in order to have clarity of action - polarisation may well save the day for the West allowing us to act in our own interest - the future is all up for crabs - nothing is lost yet and I sense that everything could yet change in an instant - things that seem unthinkable now say for example expulsing our Islamic minorities may seem logical in a very short time

Posted by: johnmacII at November 1, 2007 1:49 PM

If the political will existed throughout the Infidel world to do what it takes, namely

• Destroy all military and 'law enforcement' capability of every Islamic country;
  
• Deport all Mohammedans, irrespective of citizenship, from all Infidel countries to Saudi Arabia;
  
• Seize their oil militarily, and pay them nothing (can you imagine the Allies conquering the Ruhr during WWII and then compensating Germany for all material mined out of there?)
  
• Conquer large areas of dar ul Islam, and hand them over to Infidel neighbors. Israel would get Sinai & 'West Bank', Serbia would get Kosovo and split Bosnia with Croatia, India would get Pak, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Thailand would get Malaya, Philippines would get eastern Indonesia, et al.
  
• De-Islamify as many Islamic countries as possible by overthrowing their governments and replacing them with puppet Infidel regimes e.g. a Zoroastrian government in Iran, a Maronite one in Lebanon, a Copt one in Egypt, a Russian one in Uzbekistan, et al.
  
• Finally, at some point, bomb Islamic countries into submission, and just like after WWII Nazism and Emperor-worship in Shintoism was banned, similarly ban Islam. Follow that up with massive conversion activities, like converting the Arabian peninsula back to Judaism (not pagan Arab, since many of their traditions do seem to have made it into Islam), North Africa and the Middle East (non Israel) to Christianity, East Indies to Hinduism, Central Asia to Russian Orthodox or Mahayana Buddhism, et al.
  

Posted by: Infidel Pride at November 1, 2007 1:52 PM

And nobody would listen to Enoch Powell.

Posted by: Dsinc at November 1, 2007 1:54 PM

great plan

and you are completely correct entirely feasible !!

In order to carry it out we need to jettison democracy, for a while - much like the Romans would vote in a dictator in times of peril who could do the nasty things that needed to be done and afterwards we could live with the guilt.

Posted by: johnmacII at November 1, 2007 1:59 PM

Pythagoras -

1) We can't just boycott the oil, but we also must seal the strait of Hormuz and quarantine the Middle Eastern oil and natural gas from world markets.

2) Crash project to replace oil with an alternative energy source cheaper than oil.

3) Freeze the economic assests of all "Islamic" governments in this country.

4) Radiofree Islam. (As suggested by Robert Spencer)

5) Active encouragement of all dissident groups opposing "Islamic" governments.

6) TVfree Islam.

7) Government sponsered hacking of all pro-jihad sites.

8) Stop the production of AK-47s and (more importantly) the ammunication for them. Same thing with RPGs.

9) Flood the water sources of the Middle East with anti-depressants.

10) Quick, active and through reactions to any terrorist act.

Posted by: tanstaafl at November 1, 2007 2:12 PM

Lots of good, proactive ideas. No doubt some would work to an extent. However, as long as we are chained to the baboon, (what I call having to co-exist with mindless, value-less, clueless, shameless, direction-less, guide-less, guilt-less LIBERALS), we could pull very few of the listed things off. For, did you ever try to bring the baboon to the office and get something done? Help you mow the lawn? Walk to the store? You want to cross the street at the crosswalk, but the baboon has a completely different, and stupid, agenda. Being chained to the baboon really limits how effective we are and where we end up going, despite our best laid plans.

Posted by: angryeagle at November 1, 2007 2:25 PM

“But to be able to say one has absolutely changed the mind-set and thought of people IS going to take a generation.”

And how will that be accomplished? By having all their bigoted and supremest convictions validated through multicultural education?

Posted by: Cornelius at November 1, 2007 2:31 PM

It is interesting that the 1st war against islamists took 28 years.
See :

http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=374

The problem today is that islamists are so wide spread and integrated into every culture. 30 years seems like wishful thinking.

Posted by: logeye at November 1, 2007 2:31 PM

Im sure they will surrender long before that.
I can win in 6 weeks.

Posted by: GrennBeck at November 1, 2007 2:39 PM

taanstafl:

I definitely agree with you that Americans desperately need to pry themselves off of fossil fuels and have campaigned strenuously on this issue to get it to happen. BUT--

You are assuming that China and India will go along with us on sealing off the Middle Eastand its oil exports via the GUlf of Hormuz. Are you sure they will?

If they don't, we well might find ourselves at war with them. THEY continue to be major consumers of Middle Eastern and Iranian petroleum in spite of the spate of global terror attacks plaguing us (and which they are largely responsible for).

Asia has never valued human life as did the western democracies. But Asians now have the technology and industry that we have. India's and China's economies and industrial bases are set to overtake America's by 2025. Together, they possess nearly ten times the population of the United States. Given Asian indifference towards human life even Islamic terror may not prove a strong enough impetus for either China or India into making drastic changes against it.

Thus, be careful if you think either nation is going to automatically accept orders from Uncle Sam nowadays. Personally, I suspect India and China will NOT take orders from the US on this matter at all (and they are probably not going to forsake their booming economic growth on our account) and you had better come up with a contingency plan if this turns out to be the case.

Posted by: pythagoras at November 1, 2007 2:48 PM

What else do you expect when the inhabitants of Britain are more interested in the inheritance tax threshold, than winning the battle for civilizational survival?

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at November 1, 2007 2:57 PM

Forgive me for asking, but hasn't the terror war been ongoing since 623 AD, and wasn't the Byzantine Empire one of the highest profile victims, having been extinguished and confined to history after 825 years of Jihad?

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at November 1, 2007 3:00 PM

30 years, That would be from when we decide who to target, how to target, where "they" are, how many there are, what to do about "them", etc.

Fight a war without killing, thats what he is really saying.

The enemy is islam, start there, once you decide that is the focus, everything else will slide right into place.

Posted by: Islofob IS-1 at November 1, 2007 3:08 PM

It about a generation (+/- 20 years) so that figure sounds about right.

A whole generation of Arabist/Islamist children who have taken to wearing veils to school to make the statement that they hate western values and capitalism have yet to learn that "Allah's will" will not deliver for them.

It is also about how long it will take western society to get off oil.

So in the long run, yeah, 30 years sounds about right before the clerics message of trusting in Allah to make Islam victorious peters out.

That's not to say the rest of us should sit aback and allow Islamists to have their way, imposing sharia law and whatnot. Because after all their way is racist, bigoted and diametrically opposed to human rights and democracy.

Posted by: GreatShaitan at November 1, 2007 3:11 PM

Just to add one more point. I now believe that one of the keys to breaking the will of Generation Islam is ensuring the survival of Isreal.

Posted by: GreatShaitan at November 1, 2007 3:14 PM

2) Crash project to replace oil with an alternative energy source cheaper than oil.

taanstafl,

What in the world has oil to do with it?
If you believe that “it is all about oil” you are not seeing the true character of the drama. Oil may have played a limited role in the seventies, but it doesn't anymore.

Look at Norway for example. Norway is almost, if not entirely, energy self-sufficient. In fact, it exports its North-sea oil. Yet Norway is, after Sweden, one of the fastest islamizing countries in the world, frantically busy destroying its historical, national and cultural identity. The Norwegian government obsessed with the vision of the multi culti paradise floods Norway with unending river of Moslems and resorts to all possible means to muzzle the patriotic opposition to the outrage - while doing everything to convert the population to the new multiculti religion.
The Quislings are not frightened by some economical difficulties. They are inspired by their messianic vision. Exactly as their predecessors who spied and cheered for Kremlin. The useful idiots of every generation are available and ready to offer their treacherous services to all who they think is ready and able to scour the West clean of Christianity.
Their most recent and most powerful candidate is Islam. And it is the built into Islam hatred of the Judeo Christian world, NOT its oil, that makes it the natural and perfect ally of the Left. If by some strange geological phenomenon, all the oil wells of the Islamic world, dried up tomorrow, it will not change a whit the ideology behind the arabization of Europe. It is that ideology not the oil that fuels the treason.

Posted by: thomas. h at November 1, 2007 3:42 PM

Nothing new here. That's par for the game.
How long did it take to defeat the caliphate? About that long IIRC.
The whole world should better brace for a 50 year war against jihad. Sorry, but this is reality.

Posted by: Charles Martel at November 1, 2007 4:24 PM

To second what has been commented on; thomas. h, Islofob IS-1 and GreatShaitan, have it correct. You can't win the war until you know who the enemy is. I am not talking about just the word Islam I am inferring all that they believe and fear, value and devalue, virtue and vise. Then a counter to their tactics can be organized and carried out. That is how it was done in WWII and with Communist Russia.

In the earlier cases it was basically out produce or spend them. In this new case I don't think it is based only on material wealth and power. It is more about ideas, spiritual ideas. Whose God is the bigger God if you please. Trouble with the west, we are tying one or both our arms behind our back because of the religion angle. Our leaders dismiss religion out of hand and/or are woefully ignorant on the subject. Or, as has been insinuated on this forum it is even more sinister and conspiratorial. I don't have a judgment on that.

I believe, GreatShaitan may have been the most correct with is statement concerning Israel. I am coming from a biblical and eschatological POV. If my ideas are correct the spiritual argument is the strongest.

Now I hope I have not open a hornet's nest. Like to hear what others think.

PS The 30 year prediction is false and has more to do with assuring (falsely) that they have it under control. Which they don't. So anyones guess is as good as another. I will guess 29 years, 9 months, two days and 10 hours.

Psalm 14:1
Only fools say in their hearts, "There is no God." They are corrupt, and their actions are evil; no one does good!

مزمور 14:1
الا تنطلي على القول في قلوبهم ، "لا يوجد الله". فهي الفاسده ، وافعالها هي الشر ؛ لا أحد صال

Posted by: Im.mad.as.HELL! at November 1, 2007 4:40 PM

Yep, poor England dont have time.

You are being screwed by your ruling and reporting elites.

We wish you luck as we wave you goodbye.

Posted by: dgene at November 1, 2007 4:54 PM

Flood the water sources of the Middle East with anti-depressants.

taanstafl,

Wouldn't a sedative or tranquilizer work better? Make them so groggy they can't shout jihad! They'll stumble into the mosque in a stupor and nod at the imam, never hearing a word he says, and then stumble back out again, maybe to take a nap.

Posted by: PMK at November 1, 2007 5:08 PM

Thirty years.

I'm impressed. I didn't know Britain would last that long. Not to worry, the US is right behind you. We may be late to the party, but we'll get there, depending on who replaces Karen Hughes.

Posted by: PMK at November 1, 2007 5:11 PM

The Century War by Dan Simmons:

“Your enemies have gathered and struck and continue to strike and you, the innocents of 2006 and beyond, fight among yourselves, chew and rip at your own bellies, blame your brothers and yourselves and your institutions of the Enlightenment – law, tolerance, science, democracy – even while your enemies grow stronger.”

“How are we supposed to know who our enemies are?” I turned and growled at him. “The world is a complex place. Morality is a complex thing.”

“Your enemy is he who will give his life to kill you,” said the Time Traveler. “Your enemies are they that wish you and your children and your grandchildren dead and who are willing to sacrifice themselves, or support those fanatics who will sacrifice themselves, to see you and your institutions destroyed. You haven’t figured that out yet – the majority of you fat, sleeping, smug, infinitely stupid Americans and Europeans.”

http://www.dansimmons.com/news/message/2006_04.htm

Posted by: sounder at November 1, 2007 5:22 PM

30 years?
With the exponentialy growing number of moslems in the UK followed by their increasing political power the definition of terrorism will be changed so, Allah forbid, it will not offend the sensitivity of the moslems. Yes, there will be crack ups, raids and arrests, but not of moslems, but of patriots and opponents of the islamization of Britain and multiculti nightmare.
If Brits don't revolt soon they will lose their ancestral lands to mohamedans. History waits for no one and it doesn't pity the faint-hearted. There won't be a second chance...

Posted by: thomas. h at November 1, 2007 5:23 PM

In order to judge the accuracy of the British Security Chief's "30 years" estimate, it would first be instructive to gauge his understanding of the problem. He should be asked "For how long has the 'terror war' been going on?"

Posted by: special_guest at November 1, 2007 5:30 PM

The only real model we have to go on is the recoquista of Spain. It stands as the only example of the re-taking of Muslim controlled lands that I can think of (other than Israel and that is still being fought). You think we are going to rewrite the Koran? You think we are going to convice Muslims to live societies where thier law isn't the dominant force? If you believe any of that you are a fool. I say look to history no need to reinvent the wheel here ... when push comes to shove. This won't be "rocket science" when the poopoo hits the fan. Europe will have to be re taken city by city block by block house to house, as many cities have already declaired themselves Dar-al Islam, and are currently ruled by Islamic law where no western authority can enter. You think this won't spread? You think the powers that rule these places will just give it back? FOOLS.

Posted by: ethoman at November 1, 2007 5:34 PM

From the article:

Admiral Lord Alan West dramatically DOUBLED his earlier estimate of 15 years to make the UK safe from attack.

"DOUBL[ING]" it from 15 to 30 years is not dramatic. With apologies to Bachman Turner Overdrive, "You Ain't Seen Nothin' Yet".

Posted by: special_guest at November 1, 2007 5:35 PM

My prediction is the UK like Europe is heading for civil war.

It will get to this stage because the elites refuse to acknowledge, through ignorance or design, the reality of the history of Islam and all that entails in the 21st century.

These elites believe that people naturally think like them, or will in time, they think that we can all live in peace and get along, unfortunately history shows this to be nonsense.

When it comes to a fight I would not write of England, Scotland, Wales nor Ireland.

It certainly is not a done deal, I believe that our Islamic loud mouth friends have done us a favour and have been unintentially educating the many many ordinary folk who quite frankly are pissed off.

The more they talk and threaten the more they alert us.

I say bring it on.

Posted by: Geeza at November 1, 2007 5:41 PM

In 30 years they still won't figure out who the enemy is as they bend their asses skywards 5 times a day!

Posted by: witness at November 1, 2007 5:59 PM

Islam is spreading in the UK, that's true...But it'll reverse itself when they attempt a direct attack on Brits' outlets for amusement. I'd like to see the jihadists try to close down a pub--there would be riots the likes of which London has never seen before.

Posted by: RoobartSbunsar at November 1, 2007 6:00 PM

Geeza,
You can blame the elites but how much damage was done in Europe and the US by the rest of us, with our peace marches and demands that defense be cut? It was the people of Europe who fought against placing missiles in Western Europe after their leaders had approved them. The demonstrations were myriad.
The lesson most took from the end of the Cold War was that we can all just "get along". The common man meets his Muslim neighbor and realizes they are more alike than different. How does he support any move to ban Muslim immigration or take back Britain or go to war in Muslim nations?
It's not just the elites.
And then there's nukes. We have been conditioned since 1945 that war is something to avoid whenever possible. How many people in Europe or anywhere else approve of the war in Iraq? We want to fight jihad, but where? There's always a reason not to. A big part of it is the people who would rather spend that money at home and who vote for candidates who promise to do just that. We can blame our leaders but in most cases we're the ones who put them there.

Posted by: PMK at November 1, 2007 6:10 PM

30 years? I predict it will end much sooner than that. His first prediction of 15 years was even a far stretch. I give it 5 years or less.

Posted by: champ at November 1, 2007 6:13 PM

The Islamic fascists in the UK have not experienced what we are capable of when it comes to a fight in our land.

They use our tolerance, gained from many conflicts, and our open society to plot and tell us of our down fall, they do this because we have allowed them to.

They do not know that we are tolerant through painful experience, they appear not to know what we are capable of when backed into a corner.

I pity them I really do.

Posted by: Geeza at November 1, 2007 6:16 PM

Closing statements on an article on "Muslim Minority Jurisprudence. I can not believe they have posted this online. I haven't had time to read the whole thing, but it is very interesting. I have saved it in case it is removed. They do have very long term plans and goals. This will take some time to fully digest. Truth exposing the intent of Islam, by Islam I'm aghast.

http://www.e-prism.org/images/tariqfinal291203.doc

In dealing with these political questions, Muslim Minority Jurisprudence is geared towards the Muslim community to gain a certain type of political power at the expense of the sovereign governments of the Western states. On the other hand, it is geared away from accepting life within the framework of western society as it is, or even the very existence of the states in which they live.

The idea of Muslim Minority Jurisprudence should be counted as part of the Mainstream (Wasatiyyah) ideology. Mainstream ideological Islam presents itself as separate from radical Islam. Dr. Polka proves that this is true especially in the mild manner of expression and complicated use of terminology. In the statements of al-Alwani and Ramadan we have noticed a traditional term given new meaning (Fiqh), a term that has more than one meaning (Dar al-Shahadah), and a term that is used for the opposite meaning (Aqaliyyah). The method of using terminology as a link can only happen when the sources are read in Arabic, as Professor Sivan had mentioned.

Posted by: ethoman at November 1, 2007 6:18 PM

PMK I understand what you are saying however do not include me when you say the rest of us did this or that, I personally did nothing of the kind.

My experience is that the very vocal left are just that very vocal and are a minority, the silent majority, unfortunately are silent unless you hold a knife to their throat.

Posted by: Geeza at November 1, 2007 6:22 PM

"I'd like to see the jihadists try to close down a pub--there would be riots the likes of which London has never seen before."

Posted by: RoobartSbunsar November 1, 2007 6:00 PM

Don't worry. They will. Everything, absolutely everything, is offensive to Muslims, except for handouts of course.

Posted by: sounder at November 1, 2007 6:25 PM

FOX News just had a segment on the US anti-terrorism center. Big and shiny and filled with thousands of civil servants. FOX interviewed the chief, some retired Admiral. He was proud of setting up the big, shiny building filled with thousands of civil servants.

His estimate was that we’d win the struggle in forty years.

Posted by: pez at November 1, 2007 6:27 PM

Britain's security chief says terror war will take 30 years -

That is real HS! There appears to be no control over the Islamic immigration to Europe, wait a minute, didn't I read somewhere Britain wants Turkey to join Europe, that includes Admiral Lord Alan West. There we have instant ready over 70 million extra Muslims. Europe has about 20 Million of them dehumanizing it, by adding extra 70 Million Muslims is going to make the problem in Europe thousand times harder.

In order to give any realistic estimate to win the war on terror, first he has to define it. Hugh made a good job of defining that. That mean the Muslims living in Britain, given the fact their numbers will increase by 20 to 30%, would have to follow a modifies and humane version of Kooran, which will be harmonized with the British constitution. That will take about hundreds of years, not a couple of decades pointed out by Mr. West.

It amazes me how these clueless clowns ever get to become Admirals or what have you. The current British Prime Minister is also not one out of the bests.

UK is sliding down the hole somewhere, we don't know where.

Posted by: MusHuntCowboy at November 1, 2007 6:28 PM

Geeza,
I'm not lumping you in. "Us" refers to our society. Like it or not, "we" vote and, for whatever reason, "WE" have elected these people. If we want change, we are the ones who have to change it. The silent majority will die if it waits for the knife to come to the throat.
I can say "I never voted for these people" and it won't change my situation. I am still stuck with them.
If the "silent majority" of Western societies wants to avoid Islamization it can't remain silent any longer. If it prefers political correctness in the interest of "getting along", and government handouts rather than bearing the burden of defense and the unpleasantness of accepting that there really are people who are out to destroy their countries, then it will have to accept the consequences.
We can't pin all the blame on elites.

Posted by: PMK at November 1, 2007 6:41 PM

Britain has two agendas: preventing mass slaughter and redefining what it means to be British.

What is being done to Britain?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?

Some things (from the article) to look forward to:

• "Birth ceremonies", at which state and parents agree to "work in partnership" to bring up children

• Action to "ensure access" for ethnic minorities to "largely white" countryside

• An overhaul of Britain's "imperial" honours system

• Bishops being thrown out of the House of Lords

• An end to "sectarian" religious education

• Flying flags other than the Union Jack.

"We can no longer define ourselves as a Christian nation, nor an especially religious one in any sense.

"The empire is gone, church attendance is at historically low levels, and the Second World War is inexorably slipping from memory."

Posted by: PMK at November 1, 2007 6:50 PM

I totally agree with you PMK, my point is that it will come to civil war, look at Bosnia or Kosovo, this is our future, it will take this to reverse the trend, it is obvious, conflict appears to be the only message Mohammed and his merry men understand wouldn't you agree?

We are far too occupied with human rights and treating people responsibly to notice how a potential enemy would use our values against us.

Posted by: Geeza at November 1, 2007 6:53 PM

http://www.e-prism.org/images/tariqfinal291203.doc

the colonization has begun.

In an essay in the London-based Saudi paper Al-Sharq al-Awsat entitled "Settling-down of Islam after the Settlement of Muslims in the West" (Tawtin al-Islam ba'ad Istitan al-Muslimin fi al-Gharb), al-Alwani explained how he received the blessing of Saudi King Fahd before undertaking his Islamic mission to the Muslim minorities of the west:

"The Islamic presence in the West has become a factual reality. It is the obligation of the Nation towards the Muslim minorities that they be helped in their major issues, and to take part in their means, without sinking into their regional disputes and problems or leaning towards polarized camps within them. It is the obligation of the minorities towards the nation to have a high level of cultural depth, and to help it build its "identity institutions", such as mosques, schools and centers for Arabic language teaching, and to make the teaching of the Arabic language easier for non-native speakers. This should be done through institutions built by the minorities themselves and supervised by them alone. Because if this is not the case, sensitivities might be created within or from the neighbors of the minorities who will then keep a distance from them, or they may receive support from foreign bodies as well. If it could not be taken in the past, perhaps it could be taken in the future.

I remember when I had the honor of meeting the Servant of the Two Holy Places, King Fahd bin 'Abd al-Aziz Aal Sa'ud, may God protect him, many years ago. When I explained to him, and to those who were with me, what we are doing, he got extremely happy and said: 'I command you to continue with these blessed efforts and to double them. I also command you not to let the disputes between the Arab and Muslim states and governments distract you from your goal. Benefit from everyone you can, and do not lean towards any one, including the Kingdom.'

This was a golden piece of advice. It will be better if the Arab and Islamic states hold on to this principle in their dealing with the minorities, and it will be better for the leaders of the minorities to be aware of this. The profit in the settling-down of the religious call (Tawtin al-Da'wah) will be enormous. There can be no speculation of it for the sake of fickle propaganda.

May what we mentioned help the brethren, who are presenting their message, in their persuading for the settling-down of the religious call, as a worldwide service to Islam, and the finality of the appearance of The Religion, and to protect the Islamic presence from deviating. The building of 'Minority Jurisprudence' shall answer an urgent necessity and an immediate need. It is not a luxury of thought as some mentioned in some letters."

Traditionally, the entire Muslim legal system is based on the Muslims being a ruling majority. Creating a jurisprudence doctrine for Muslims who are a minority is a complex challenge to begin with. Many Muslims have written theoretical works on the subject of the minorities, many have started institutions. The uniqueness of al-Alwani's enterprise was in mastering both fields. He did not only initiate these legal institutions, but he created "Muslim Minority Jurisprudence" as a theoretical doctrine upon which these bodies will base their actions and form their legal opinions.

Posted by: ethoman at November 1, 2007 7:02 PM

Geeza,
We're in agreement. In the end, it will come down to us or them. Only the people can defend their homes and they will have to band together in a new pseudo-tribal community. If it's like Bosnia or Kosovo, we'll probably have enclaves of infidels fighting the Islamists. We'll be reduced from nations to city-states and history will begin again. It will take a new reconquista to restore what we once had.

Posted by: PMK at November 1, 2007 7:41 PM

Years can pass with the snap
of a finger, time can stand still
in a dream. How many years,
how many tears will flow,
what suffering we'll see
if we don't work together,
find a way of working together,
for without each other
we fall to the 'rough beast
and humanity will suffer
as never ever before, ever . . .

The 'rough beast' slouches
towards Bethlehem' bringing derision,
division, the desert in his wake.
What will it take
to open our eyes and see
our way to a Unity? We are the Free
and we will be forever and ever,
the Keepers of the Flame of the Free.

Show your true grit, Brits.
Muster your women and men.
Seize the moment of greater numbers
and say, "We will not submit." Amen.

Posted by: the poetess at November 1, 2007 8:12 PM

It WILL take 30 years if we continue to handle it like a Politically Correct Exercise!

If we suddenly grew a set and went after the root cause with full engagement, this WOT could be over and done within 10 years, less than that if we were to actually take the Kingdom of Saud to task.

OIL is the root, we need to put our emphasis on oil independence and when that happens, the good old Muslim faithful will have no hole card.

Just a thought

(Bushwack)

Posted by: Robert at November 1, 2007 8:38 PM

In many ways the grotesque wars of terror began with Japan's attack on China in 1937 (the real start of WW2), comprise all of World War 2, the Cold War and now the conflict with Muslim fascists (such as Saudi-A-Gas-Station "we really practice apartheid"), etc. The Four Freedoms enunciated in the Atlantic Charter in 1941 by FDR and Churchill(freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom from fear, freedom from want (as in Darfur) remain the issues. The conflicts begun in 1937 have been world-wide and may last for well over 100 years.

http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:WZgTnq0LNlMJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Sino-Japanese_War+japan,+1937&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

Posted by: Frank at November 1, 2007 8:43 PM

PMK - interesting comments to 'geeza', about 'infidel enclaves'., and also, a propos 'ethoman's comment - "Europe will have to be re-taken city by city block by block house to house, as many cities have already declaired themselves Dar-al Islam, and are currently ruled by Islamic law where no western authority can enter". It may come to that.

I'm reminded of G K Chesterton, 'The Flying Inn' {a guerilla war against a Muslim takeover of England!) and 'The Napoleon of Notting Hill' (a paradoxical celebration of what might be called 'local patriotism'); also J R R Tolkien, 'Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King', chapter entitled 'The Scouring of the Shire'. Read and be inspired. The poets work at the deep level of the subconscious and imagination, removing blocks and dealing with fears, awakening possibilities and defying despair.

Blend these stories with reflection on what worked during the 'rollback' of Islam in Spain, Portugal, Malta, Sicily, the Balkans and south-east Europe during the 17th-19th century, along with the campaigns we know less about (in southern Russia/central Asia, the Sikhs and then the British dealing with the Moguls - we also need to inform ourselves, fast, about the deep history of Ethiopia!).

I say this because I think Despair, Confusion and Division are rife -and Despair is the worst enemy of all.

From Chesterton, the Ballad of the White Horse, Mary speaking to King Alfred at his lowest point:
"But you and all the kind of Christ
are ignorant and brave.
And you have wars you hardly win
and souls you hardly save.
"I bring you naught for your comfort
naught for your desire
save that the sky grows darker yet
and the sea rises higher.
"Night shall be thrice night over you
and heaven an iron cope:
do you have joy without a cause,
yea, faith without a hope?"

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at November 1, 2007 9:11 PM

LOL!!!! double speak!!! he means that in 30 years the UK WILL BE an islamic state and so the "war against terror" WILL be over!!

HA HA HA!

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at November 1, 2007 9:22 PM

At the present course, the war will be over in 30 years. They will have won by then.

Solving the problem requires a political enviroment where the Enemy needs to be understood as the Enemy. Break the false bonds of relitivism.

Rendering Iran back to the 7th Century will set a chain of events off that will expose the Enemy for who they, are as well as where. Major segments of the Population will wear out their welcome. The Authorities will have no choise but to act or fold.

We can prosctively defend ourselfs or slowly tie the bonds of our own servitude.

The Demoncrats weild power in print only. Their box of cookies are gone, leaving a bad taste. Bitter recriminations among the Chef's over the only recipe thought Culturally acceptable. Cannibles all.

These Chefs will never make a go of this Bakery, they never understood the Customer. Never will.

Posted by: flowerknife_us at November 1, 2007 10:05 PM

Frank:

The global jihad war as we are seeing it today actually began in 1928 in Egypt with the formation of the Muslim Brotherhood (apparently as a reaction to the destruction of the Islamic caliphate during WW1). The Muslim Brotherhood is the source of al-Qaeda, Islamic Jihad, HAMAS and countless other ultra-violent Islamic organizations that operate worldwide.

In the 1930s, the Third Reich formed an alliance with the Muslim Brotherhood and together they plotted to develop V2 rockets loaded with atomic weapons to use on the United States (note Hitler's continual speech references to American cities in flames with the blood of American people flooding American city streets; what he described could only have been the product of a nuclear holocaust). In addition, Hitler recruited many of his Nazi officers from the ranks of Bosnian Muslim youths.

Haj Amin al-Husseini on the eve of the Nazi bombing raids of London actually read a fatwa against the United Kingdom over the Baghdad airwaves--a fatwa that is word for word verbatim the fatwa declared by Ousamah bin Laden against the United States in 1998 in his 'Jihad Against Crusaders and Jews.'

The Japanese invasion of Manchuria in 1930 may well have been inspired by the Nazi-Muslim Brotherhood Alliance especially since Muslims continually refer to Japan and the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and Islamic plans for an "American Hiroshima."

Posted by: pythagoras at November 1, 2007 10:26 PM

"BRITAIN faces a 30-YEAR war to crush terrorists"

I think he gets this thirty year figure based on how long it will take to put all the surveilance and security apparatus in place, so in thirty years the UK will be a high security prison basically. Just to kepp a lid on the peace loving muslims.

Posted by: savitch at November 1, 2007 10:29 PM

30 years? He's awfully generous.

And clueless.

This jihad crap has been going on for 1,400 years with only a few extremely short-lived periods of peace and quiet here and there (like when the muslims simply didn't have enough wealth and power to continue the fight, then they would take a short break to refuel while pretending to be peacefully co-existing). What on earth makes anyone think it will end in "a generation"?

Posted by: Dumpling at November 1, 2007 10:42 PM

"Lord West? Isn't he in menswear? Tuxedoes, things like that?

Posted by: Hugh at November 1, 2007 10:48 PM

Until you plug the hole, bailing is just busywork.

Setting any kind of "time limits" when you are not addressing the essential flaw: inviting in those who militantly despise your cultural and who actively or covertly intend to replace you... is a bit fey.

What the hell were Brits and the Europeans thinking?

What the hell are the Americans and Canadians and Australians thinking?

Or was there no thinking?

Just short-sighted greed, and pandering for immediate power, all around?

Plug the hole.

Stop all further immigration by members of this anti-Constitutional ideology, Islam, first.

Or it's just bailing with a bucket that is not adequate for the influx.

And then we're all fluxed.

Posted by: profitsbeard at November 1, 2007 11:20 PM

And while we wait, they multiply.

Posted by: duh_swami at November 2, 2007 12:04 AM

"Britain's security chief says terror war will take 30 years
Lord West seems to be saying that the war on terror is going to be a war of persuation. For the next 30 years the British establishment is going to work on convincing the terrorists that their interpretation of Islamic doctrine is wrong-headed, and that if they understood the true and peaceful nature of Islam, they wouldn't be following the unIslamic path of violence?

Does he really believe that he, and those that follow him, can out-persuade the Imams that staff the Mosque of Britain?

I suspect that the British public will get fed up long before the 30 years is up, and start demanding more substantial methods of persuation -- like deportation and prosecution for treason.

Lord West proves the old adage that "there's one born every minute".

Posted by: rational at November 2, 2007 12:05 AM

Jihad is endless unless jihadists are ended. And thanks again all you gutless, moderate Muslims out there still clinging to the notion that there is a good and peaceful Islam. You're almost as confused as your radical brethren. You make me sick.

By the way, England, please wake up, soon like. Gordon Brown isn't going to cut it, the Queen is too damn nice, Prince Charles is clueless and a Winston Churchill is nowhere in sight, except for Margaret Thatcher (whom the liberals still hate far more than they do Islamic radicals) and she is too old now to help her nation which is beginning to drown in an Islamic sea. One last thing to the Brits: quit mocking your own culture ad nauseam. It's become tedious, it ain't funny anymore and it's replete with suicidal implications.

Posted by: Wellington at November 2, 2007 12:12 AM

I just stood with a guy having a few beers in an American bar--this guy relatively uneducated on the problem--and even he had picked up enough through the MSM to say "England is fu&ked!"

Even he had picked up at least that much.

Think about it England. They are blowing up thousand year old statues of the Buddha in Afghanistan. What will they do to Stonehenge? Buckingham Palace?

You have the ballot box. Use it.

Posted by: JohnAdams at November 2, 2007 12:18 AM

The UK has already gone and PC,Moonbats rule the roost. Some current examples BBC reporting on Bush's speech yesterday 11/1/07 'Bush continues telling his LIES' and every time they mention the war its the 'SO CALLED' War on Terror or 'Bush's' War on Terror. Goebels would be proud of them. Other moonbat incidents of note in just the last couple of weeks. UK High Court refused deportation of Convicted rapist and sexual molester AND illegal immigrant because HE has the Human Right to a 'family life', the killer of a UK school Headmaster has been told he will NOT be deported and will most likely be GIVEN a 'safe house' and Police protection when he is released next year after serving less than half his sentence for the same reasons, BUT Railway worker is SACKED and prosecuted for taking on a hooligan who was assaulting passengers the hooligan needless to say got an £80 slap on the wrist. The UK is not on the skids it has hit the bumpers. I rest my case.

Posted by: Realist at November 2, 2007 12:24 AM

To win the war, all Britain has to do is:
- Close doen mosques.
- Expell Muslims.
- Declare victory!
That takes five years max, even though this can be accomp;ishd in two years.

Posted by: Alert at November 2, 2007 1:03 AM

"Thus, be careful if you think either nation is going to automatically accept orders from Uncle Sam nowadays. Personally, I suspect India and China will NOT take orders from the US on this matter at all (and they are probably not going to forsake their booming economic growth on our account) and you had better come up with a contingency plan if this turns out to be the case.

Posted by: pythagoras "

Pythagoras, FYI, China controls 40% of Sudan's oil assets, and is actively obstructing UN from sending a force to stop the genocide. The Commies are siding with the jihadis, thinking that somehow they will come out tops.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at November 2, 2007 4:00 AM

I hate to sound like an optimist on what has been a universally pessimistic thread (and not without reason, admittedly), but I don't think we should fear a civil war just yet. I am in London at the moment (working towards a degree) and you would be surprised to see how many people here are truly horrified with what is happening. Their numbers are far higher than the posts would indicate.

As I understand it (please correct me if I'm wrong), under the laws passed in 2006 it is much easier to deport immigrants--the Home Secretary has almost total discretion. He can deprive someone of citizenship. You will see this right be invoked more and more as time goes by.

Most people are rolling their eyes at the "Islam is Peace" buses. (I feel very tempted to walk up to them, cross out "peace" and write "submission" instead, which is the real meaning of the Arabic word "Islam.")

Posted by: RoobartSbunsar at November 2, 2007 5:15 AM

Roob you seem to be in a cloud cuckoo land all of your own how are the 'rosy tinted' glasses? Its true the Politicians may have SAID it will be easier to deport failed asylum seekers and criminals. Reality shows EXACTLY the opposite because saying it and getting PC moonbat Judges to allow it are two diametrically different things as the examples prove and thse are just two of MANY. The only thing that will save UK in my opinion is the ousting of Nu Labour (but who knows what will replace them) the repealing of the idiotic 'Yuman Rites' act the immediate cessation of Mohammedan immigration and the starting of Mohammedan deportation.

Posted by: Realist at November 2, 2007 5:28 AM

Sometime 20 years ,sometime 30 years . How do they calculate ?. Is it that they are having some communion with God that tells them the time ?. Since there is enough time , some people must conduct research into Mohamed as to why he behaved the way he behaved ?. Psychologists , historians and some scientists and all who are unbiased can investigate the "Epidemiology" of "Mohamed" and find ways of control and eradication like "Smallpox".

Posted by: Kash225 at November 2, 2007 5:29 AM

"Roob you seem to be in a cloud cuckoo land all of your own how are the 'rosy tinted' glasses? Its true the Politicians may have SAID it will be easier to deport failed asylum seekers and criminals. Reality shows EXACTLY the opposite because saying it and getting PC moonbat Judges to allow it are two diametrically different things as the examples prove and thse are just two of MANY. The only thing that will save UK in my opinion is the ousting of Nu Labour (but who knows what will replace them) the repealing of the idiotic 'Yuman Rites' act the immediate cessation of Mohammedan immigration and the starting of Mohammedan deportation."

...I won't even bother dignifying that with a response. It's beneath me.

Posted by: RoobartSbunsar at November 2, 2007 5:34 AM

Lets see now. There are approximately 5 million Muslims in the UK, if one includes the illegals. Assuming a population growth that doubles every ten years, we have around 35 million Muslims in 35 years. As Muslims vote as a bloc, that is more then enough to constitute a parliamentary majority. The UK will then be Muslim, and ofcourse there will then be peace, proving that Islam is indeed the RoP.

Posted by: DP111 at November 2, 2007 6:45 AM

You've gotta laugh.

When Srebrenica fell in July 95, Mladic told the Dutchbat 3 troops that the West - Dutch - would soon be asking the Bosnian Serbs to quell their own homegrown islamist uprisings.

Boy. How right he's been proved.

We've got European Mayors throwing money at islamists in their own cities, the Yanks throwing money and men so that countries on the other side of the world can live in sharia paradise.

Priceless bumpkin performances all round. Mladic only got the timeframe wrong. Even he didn't realise the depths of Dhimmi behaviour from the fools in the West. Madrid, London and the 911 terror all had Bosnian connections. The US, UK and Spain all supported the islamists in the 90's in the Balkans.

Ain't payback a btch

Posted by: ewha1 at November 2, 2007 7:57 AM

I don't suppose anyone can send Her Majesty The Queen a copy of "PIG to Islam and the Crusades" or "The Truth About Muhammad" for Christmas? I wonder if Patrick Sookhdeo, Anglican Bishop, has given her his - grimly realistic and hard-hitting - book, 'Islam in Britain'. Or another Anglican, Mark Durie, could present her with his little, easy to read book, 'Revelation? Do Muslims and Christians worship the same God?'

She is old - like Benedict. She remembers World War II.

She took her coronation oaths very, very seriously.

Her job is to 'advise and warn'.

God help her.

Perhaps, if the jihadists are stupid enough to try to attack or humiliate HER, the English will wake up.

HOW can her loyal subjects, those English folk who post or read here and are concerned about Jihad and Sharia - or even Commonwealth subjects, Indians, Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders - inform her of the grave danger to her Church and her country? Would a flood of brief, polite, but intensely worried letters get through? A petition?

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at November 2, 2007 9:01 AM

170 years years ago a wise President wrote :
He (Muhhamed)poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the
condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared
undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against
all the rest of mankind. THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST:
TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE...*Between these
two religions, thus contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve hundred
years has already raged. The war is yet flagrant.*..While the merciless and
dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action,
there can never be peace upon the earth, and good will towards men"
John Quincy Adams
Sixth President of The United States of America
1830
How is he going to settle a 1345 year old continuing war in 30 years ? Surrender ?

Posted by: teba at November 2, 2007 9:37 AM

9) Flood the water sources of the Middle East with anti-depressants.

I would prefer Lysergic Acid. LSD.
You want to see Allah, we will show you Allah, just drink the water...

Posted by: duh_swami at November 2, 2007 11:41 AM

Despite all the gloomy prognostications about the collapse of Britain, I remain unconvinced.

Islam is weak and backward. The West has the moral and material advantage which we can only lose by negative thinking.

Muslims depend upon the West; we do not depend upon the Islamic world.

Through the assistance of sites like this one, people are waking up to the threat and will respond appropriately.

Posted by: LondonBorn&Bred at November 3, 2007 7:22 AM

"Britain's security chief says terror war will take 30 years"

...only 30?...it has been going on for over 1400...just in cased he did not notice...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at November 3, 2007 11:36 AM

An interesting odity that is noticable...
the complete absence of "bad news" coming out of iraq lately...now it's all about britney spears, the hollyweird writers strike, oprah's african school issue, and every little domestic issue imaginable.

I guess "good news is no news" to the MSM.
No wonder...
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=BF4338A6-172B-4ABE-B1B3-18C37E6573CC
Where's harry reid when ya need him?
LOL

Posted by: jcom972 at November 5, 2007 1:28 PM