Here we go again.

I have no problem believing that a cohesive group of Middle Eastern men, with their characteristic scowls and grimaces, could intimidate more genial Westerners. I have no doubt that there was some discomfort over their presence on the aircraft. But surely we should have more substantiation for their ejection than an unpleasant, intimidating appearance. Yet the story doesn't mention any. Why?

If there was no better grounding for their ejection, and if these men really were returning from an armed forces training mission, then their claim of racial discrimination is likely to stick, and American Airlines will find itself in hot water. That would be highly unfortunate, as the airline's personnel were undoubtedly doing what they thought best for the safety of their customers and the well-being of the corporation. Let's hope those who complained about these men and requested their removal can produce some good reasons for their discomfort.

Posted by: Francis W. Porretto at November 2, 2007 7:19 AM

Behold the legacy of Bin Laden!
For better or worse we ALL must live with it thanks to the Destroyers.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 2, 2007 7:34 AM

...maybe they were talking in Arabic and happened to mention something like "Allah Akbar"...who knows?

Posted by: exsgtbrown at November 2, 2007 7:37 AM

Training? What kind may I ask? I will make a guess and say it was sensitivity training. Training that will not do anything but increase the danger to these Marines.

Posted by: Pelayo at November 2, 2007 7:46 AM

They are gaming the system for money-that is the motive for this. They cooked it up and provoked the incident for that reason. The motive here is not Flying Imam stuff. This is a shake-down. However, sooner or later, it will be the real thing.

The charges of "racism" are a kind of industry. Arabs are Semite Caucasians (as in Yesser Areafat-who is presently dead).

It's amazing that the world permits real apartheid to go on in Saudi Arabia, that the Arab league is silent re the practical extermination of Negro Africans in Darfur (by other black Africans who fool themselves that they are Arabs), etc. Arabs are a very racist people. Further, in general, the Muslim world is more divided by race-ethnicity than the West, as Muslims bow to racist-apartheid Saudi-A-Totalitarian-Gas-Station.

Islam is the engine of Arab Imperialism. The non-Arabs have merely Pakistan-ed-up-their cultures, taken Arab names, and bow to their Arab-Semite-Caucasian masters at Saudi-A-Totolitarian-Gag-Station.

Posted by: Frank at November 2, 2007 7:57 AM

Staring is very common behavior among many hardcore Islamists--especially when it comes to women. This doesn't surprise me one bit.

Posted by: RoobartSbunsar at November 2, 2007 8:09 AM

How many people that travel together sit apart on the plane?

Posted by: Elric66 at November 2, 2007 8:27 AM

There's a difference betw. ptting up with just delays - and putting up with delays because some people are scared of my dark skin and reported me to Security.

Yes, frankly, I'd be very annoyed..and hurt.

Posted by: allat at November 2, 2007 8:29 AM

"The men, who all live in Michigan, were returning home after providing training for U.S. Marines. They were employed by an Alaska-based defense contractor that works with the U.S. military."
-- from the article above

Let's see. For very good money, no doubt, these men were doing what? Possibly acting as extras in those simulations of Iraq that have been so ballyhooed as "preparing our troops for their time in Iraq" which are really about lending verisimilitude to crowd scenes -- you know, with the troops attempting to keep order, or possibly to enter a house to search for weapons, and if they can do it with real Iraqis (on the American payroll, of course) that is supposed to be better.

That the troops need training, that the officers and the generals and the civilians need training, not in hearing or yelling "yallah, habibi" but rather in the nature of what cannot be seen or heard -- what is in the minds of many men, of most men, when they are raised on a steady mental diet of Islam, an Islam that must be studied, that cannot be picked up by any news agency's cameraman, nor compressed into a sound bite and so, while it is the largest and most important story of all -- What is Islam? What does Islam inculcate? What do Muslims think, what are they taught to think, about the relations of Islam with everything non-Islam, and the relations of Muslims to Infidels? -- is never covered, never thought about, never discussed, carefully evaded or avoided as the Idols of the Tribe (we are all God's chillun and, therefore, we all must want the same thing) continue to be brought burnt offerings by those who presume to instruct and to protect us. And some day, if things continue as they are, those burnt offerings will include our legal and political institutions, our mental freedoms, our art, our science, our everything -- including us.

Posted by: Hugh at November 2, 2007 8:35 AM

"The men, who all live in Michigan, were returning home after providing training for U.S. Marines. They were employed by an Alaska-based defense contractor that works with the U.S. military."
-- from the article above

Let's see. For very good money, no doubt, these men were doing what? Possibly acting as extras in those simulations of Iraq that have been so ballyhooed as "preparing our troops for their time in Iraq" which are really about lending verisimilitude to crowd scenes -- you know, with the troops attempting to keep order, or possibly to enter a house to search for weapons, and if they can do it with real Iraqis (on the American payroll, of course) that is supposed to be better.

That the troops need training, that the officers and the generals and the civilians need training, not in hearing or yelling "yallah, habibi" but rather in the nature of what cannot be seen or heard -- what is in the minds of many men, of most men, when they are raised on a steady mental diet of Islam, an Islam that must be studied, that cannot be picked up by any news agency's cameraman, nor compressed into a sound bite and so, while it is the largest and most important story of all -- What is Islam? What does Islam inculcate? What do Muslims think, what are they taught to think, about the relations of Islam with everything non-Islam, and the relations of Muslims to Infidels? -- is never covered, never thought about, never discussed, carefully evaded or avoided as the Idols of the Tribe (we are all God's chillun and, therefore, we all must want the same thing) continue to be brought burnt offerings by those who presume to instruct and to protect us. And some day, if things continue as they are, those burnt offerings will include our legal and political institutions, our mental freedoms, our art, our science, our everything -- including us.

Posted by: Hugh at November 2, 2007 8:35 AM

I would trust the instincts of the flight attendants. Unless they are all newbies, they will have seen just about EVERYTHING. They will have seen drunks both happy and aggressive, couples in love and in lust, ragers, fussers, folks in pain, folks who are scared stiff, and the odd crook or shyster. They will have seen people of every possible age, sexual orientation, and cultural background. They will have had to deal with people who can't speak English very well, so they will have had lots of experience of how to read 'body language' and 'eye talk' . If they say the men were 'looking angrily', then I believe them. If one flight attendant had 'a gut feeling of discomfort' then that is far more significant than if, say, a random passenger felt that way.

A flight attendant would 'know' what is typical passenger behaviour - across [see above] a pretty broad spectrum. Somehow, those particular passengers weren't 'patterning' right. He might not be able to say what little things, here, or there, were not 'fitting', but his trained perceptions were ringing alarm bells. (remember, ages ago, that kid at a video shop who called the FBI after being asked to copy video of would-be jihadis practising war games? doubtless he'd seen a thousand and one simulated combats on the screen, but this stuff jumped out at him, it scared him).

A mother with two young children is also someone who's just taken willynilly an intensive crash course in nonverbal communication. Depending on the age of the kids, she's spent the past 3-5 years, say, reading faces and bodies, of necessity.

And think about this: if you're travelling with little kids the last thing you want is to drastically rearrange your travel plans, that late at night, to boot. If she was so scared she asked to get off the plane - she wasn't just vaguely worried she was SCARED, scared enough to consider messing up her schedule, breaking routine, perhaps being stuck in an airport terminal with two cranky kids for hours at the middle of the night.

One wonders exactly what it was that 'struck' the man who, before boarding, 'noticed' the men, and deliberately struck up a conversation. Something, there, too, just wasn't right.

I don't think it's about racism at all. It's about people reading people and sensing, perhaps, the little flickering signals that say 'Contempt. Hate. Indifference. Lack of empathy. Anger. Danger!!!!'.

In Yaacov Lozowick's "Right to Exist" he tells the story of what it was like when suicide bomber after suicide bomber was detonating inside Israel. For every one that got through, there were others who got foiled - often by the instincts and common sense of ordinary citizens who noticed that something, or someone, just didn't 'feel' right, and acted on that feeling, like lightning. Better safe than sorry.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at November 2, 2007 8:37 AM

allat,

How do you know that the passengers were scared because of the accusers dark skin?

Posted by: Elric66 at November 2, 2007 8:37 AM

allat,

How do you even know they had dark skin?

Unless....you were one of them??? *GASP*

Posted by: Miss_Anthrope at November 2, 2007 8:43 AM

Miss_Anthrope,

Maybe we are suppose to assume all Muslims have dark skin. After all, Islam is a race.

Posted by: Elric66 at November 2, 2007 8:48 AM

I agree with allat to a certain extent. If I was stopped only because of dark skin, I'd be quite annoyed and hurt. As someone mentioned, though, these people weren't necessarily dark-skinned.

Posted by: RoobartSbunsar at November 2, 2007 9:24 AM

I think I'm gonna grow me a beard and wrap a towel 'round my head so that I can throw tantrums and hissy fits every time I board a plane, just in order to be able to sue for hundreds of thousands afterwards.

What a scam...!

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at November 2, 2007 9:24 AM

@allat

I look Middle-Eastern. I get hassled everytime I fly. You know, shoes off, belt off, groped, patted down...

and I don't give two shits!

Know why? Cause 80-year-old grandmothers go thru the same thing. Thank 9-11.

Anyway, I politely explain to my interrogators that my race is not Islam.

Islam is a race, right?

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at November 2, 2007 9:27 AM

If I was stopped only because of dark skin, I'd be quite annoyed and hurt.
-posted by rube

Would ya sue?

Oh, and how many hispanics have you heard of suing airlines because of inconvenience???

How many?

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at November 2, 2007 9:30 AM

SAN DIEGO – Six men of Middle Eastern descent contend American Airlines violated their civil rights...

Racism? Probably not. Middle Eastern decent is also not a race, but it is a natural 'assumption', that the men were of darker skin color. How many white, black, or oriental people are of MI descent?

Besides that, 'racism' has just become another leftist/Islamic buzz word, like 'hate', 'Islamophobia', 'bigot'. Islamo/leftists have 'hijacked', negative labels, and pin them on anyone who disagrees with them. After a while, civilized people will reject these labels due to overuse...
And mis-use...

Posted by: duh_swami at November 2, 2007 9:36 AM

”The flight attendants told police that the men were staring angrily at them and everyone else on board.“

Come on, after all that has happened every mid-Eastern looking male knows that he needs to look pleasant at airports and definitely not intimidating. If I were mid-Eastern on a flight I’d be all smiles. This is likely an outrageous stunt for lawsuit money and should fail completely and then I think the truly inconvenienced passengers ought to sue them. After this, whoever hired these guys ought to reconsider their employment.

Posted by: FM at November 2, 2007 10:10 AM

My wife, who is a flight attendant, scoffed at the dark skin observation from a previous poster but she absolutely watches muslim "types" closely for any suspicious behaviour. Go to any airport and tell me that dark skin is something, on it's own, to cause alarm....hogwash. Passenger lists are also a clue that other passengers don't have access to. My wife's life is worth more than the hurt feelings of every muslim who ever lived.

Posted by: pismopal at November 2, 2007 10:18 AM

These jokers are from Michigan.....this is Hezbollah West.

Posted by: TheOmegaMan at November 2, 2007 11:05 AM

I am going to take an opposite stance here. I hope that this isn't a case of 'crying wolf' because if that happens our airport security will take a nose dive. This also smells of CAIR intervening for these men.

I have stated this before - I don't trust air security because it is run by the government - and we have seen how lousy our government is in running things.

It is very suspicous that they all sit in different areas instead of together.

Personally, I wish we would conduct our security operations more like the Israelis do on their flights and EL AL (or something like that - I forget if it is AL EL, or whatever). It is a weird name.

Posted by: R_not at November 2, 2007 11:19 AM

The racism charge is, of course, total hogwash. 99.99% of terrorists are Muslims, so people are sensitive to this profile, and prefer to be safe than sorry. The fact that these guys were training marines does not mean they are pro-American. It may just mean that the Marines made a poor hiring choice, as we have seen before.
Part of the problem is that many Muslims seem annoyed or angry, expecting "racism", and sending out bad vibes, glaring, etc. People pick up on this, and when lives are at stake they don't want to take chances. Muslims need to cooperate fully, stop the histrionics, stop the lawsuits, and leave all the BS about racism out of the discussion. As long as Muslims are blowing things up there will be increased vigilance when it comes to Muslim passengers. This is a neccesity, and American Airlines deserves the public's support.

Posted by: Rahman bin Rahman at November 2, 2007 11:33 AM

Hugh

I don't think the original story had this..

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation/AP/story/292618.html

"The men worked for Defense Training Systems, a unit of International Logistics Services Corp. of Anchorage, Alaska. Their work involved teaching Marines about Iraqi culture, customs and etiquette, said their lawyer, Lawrence T. Garcia."

In other words..

Religion of Peace Training.

Tax Dollars at work...

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at November 2, 2007 11:34 AM

"One of the flight attendants said he had a “gut feeling and discomfort” and “needed to do something” about the men

Kudos to the attendant for using good common sense and acting on their instincts. Like the video clerk at Circuit City who handed in to the authorities the dvd of jihadists practicing paintball in the woods. All of us need to be eyes and ears and report suspicious behaviour, our lives are literally on the line. I don't give a flying flip about wuslim widdle hurt feelings. Being an "Islamphobe" just might save your life. People aren't creeped out for nothing these days. Jihad here, jihad there, here jihad, there hihad, everywhere jihad.

Posted by: j_not_a at November 2, 2007 11:39 AM

@allat

I look Middle-Eastern. I get hassled everytime I fly. You know, shoes off, belt off, groped, patted down...

and I don't give two shits!

Know why? Cause 80-year-old grandmothers go thru the same thing. Thank 9-11.

Anyway, I politely explain to my interrogators that my race is not Islam.

Islam is a race, right?

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2

Ynkedoodl2,

allat just has a supewsensitive natuwe...his feewings awe huwt fwequently, appawently. Feel sowwy fow him! :(

Posted by: Miss_Anthrope at November 2, 2007 11:51 AM

Every day there are thousands of flights across the US. And many with Muslims,or those who look like they are from the middle east; yes; and what was my last statement? Look like middles easterners--well we have a vision or we have a stereotype of what middle eastern persons look like just as we do a Chinese,korean,Japanese, Etc. It is in our psyche, our memory and you simply can't ignore it, or dismiss it from your thought processes, and you would be foolish to try. But that is what the multiculturalist, and PC crowd want you to do,Ignore your memory IE--- no thank you. We grow up learning day in, and day out what can be perceived as a threat to you either from a direct past experience or what you have seen on the television or read in the newspaper. Would you again put your hand on a hot stove? would you dive in shallow water? burned once and you learn,burned twice, shame on you. Only a fool would throw caution or concern to the wind. With the images of 9-11 well seated into our psyche, are we going to ignore a possible threat as delusional? NO! and double NO! If too many people closed up in an aircraft show concern then there is the risk of anxiety, and panic whether justified or not.

Once again the crew of this airliner acted appropriately whether there were solid facts or not to bare out fully realized suspicions among all the passengers.and crew. Maybe the San Diego Six did not reach the level of the Minneapolis 6 suspicious behaviors but a concern is a concern.

What were the specific concerns raised in this aircraft that are noted in the police report such as lap belt extenders left on the aircraft floor,etc.Etc. The main fact is that there was concern and that should be enough in this day after 9-11.

Posted by: Mackie at November 2, 2007 11:59 AM

Oh by the way never accept anything the AP or the news media says because they are plain incompetent.

In the article above it says..

"Defense Training Systems, a unit of International Logistics Services Corp. of Anchorage, Alaska."

There is no "International Logistics Services Corp." but instead "Defense Training Systems" is owned by "International Logistics Support Company"

see...

http://www.ouzinkienativecorporation.com/employment.php

and

http://www.defensetrainingsystems.com/home.html

also here is a (cover my ass) letter from Defense Training Systems on this event...(it is a pdf file)

http://www.defensetrainingsystems.com/8-29-2007-Press-Release.pdf

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at November 2, 2007 12:06 PM

Receiving pay from the American government -- there's plenty being flung about for every aspect of the hideously expensive Iraq folly -- is not a guarantee of loyalty, or of lack of hostility to Infidels, or of lack of a desire to cause trouble, or even to behave in a way so as to cause just enough anxiety among Infidels that they will respond in a certain way, and presto, you've got your potential lawsuit, and as plaintiffs ready to settle out of court -- for something small, shall we say a cool million between the six of us and our lawyer -- well, we might just let American Airlines, or a thousand other potential defendants, off the carefully-baited hook.

Posted by: Hugh at November 2, 2007 12:08 PM

No, there's no guarantee of the kind and never has. So I pose 2 questions, Hugh:

1. Why do we continue to assume it is a guarantee?

and

2. Why the hell is our money going to these people when we have better (e.g., military, et al) things to spend it on?

Posted by: Miss_Anthrope at November 2, 2007 12:14 PM

No, there's no guarantee of the kind and never has. So I pose 2 questions, Hugh:

1. Why do we continue to assume it is a guarantee?

and

2. Why the hell is our money going to these people when we have better (e.g., military, et al) things to spend it on?

Posted by: Miss_Anthrope at November 2, 2007 12:17 PM

Hey check it out....How to walk like an Iraqi!

http://www.defensetrainingsystems.com/live.html

Here is what Marines learn...

"Cultural Awareness Training: Instructor led classroom training on Iraqi tribes their customs and cultural elements, basic Arabic language skills. Subsequent live simulated training w/ custom scenarios based on recent lessons learned in theatre to reinforce cultural training. Each participant is given a color-laminated language and cultural tips reminder card suitable for carry in theatre."

In other words: They give you a magic tip card! Wait the Iraqi appears angry with me let me whip my culture card and find out what to do...wait he appears to be shooting at me...what do I do!!!

"Embedded Linguists/Cultural Experts: Provide Iraqi-American cultural trainers to train and travel with a Company or Platoon during their pre-deployment training rotations. Intense daily interaction increases retention of cultural lessons learned and provides pre-deployment skill set development for living and working with Iraqis."

My advice: Who hell wants to do that? Read the Quran that will help...

"Advanced Immersive Iraqi Language & Culture Training: Total immersion training in which a team is given a scenario in which they are cut off from Coalition forces and forced to live within a remote Iraqi village for four days. Food, clothing, customs and cultural events are all authentic and up-to-date. Provides most rapid cultural and language training."

Hahahahahaha...Oh the endless laughs our good Marines must have doing this.

"Advanced Iraqi Staff Training: Five day operations from 0800 to 2000 hours. Provide 5-8 man Iraqi Staff role players with security detachment. Scenario requires command to organize the staff, teach basic staff functions, set up an operations & intelligence center, and plan a complete operation. Formal language and cultural training for two hours of each day."

No way that is real...my advice when you get to Iraq...don't turn your back.

Once again your tax dollars at work....ok does everybody have your culture card ready!

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at November 2, 2007 12:28 PM

Looks like the Muslims have learned to use our American laws to their own advantage! If at first you don't succeed, SUE!!

Posted by: youngtimer at November 2, 2007 12:37 PM

I think the Marines need to give these guys some cultural training on how to be an American post 9/11.
Perhaps we can find some Germans or Japanese/ Americans who are old enough to have been here during WWII. Or Vietnamese who came here after Vietnam.
BTW the Miami Herald story headline said that Arabic speaking men were detained.

OT/ but still on the race card

I live in the South and I don't know if this is making much noise in other parts of the country.
There has been an incredible increase in the number of racial incidents, nooses being left about, racial words on churches and schools.
I get a funny feeling that this is all happening to stir up the blacks to ask and they are asking now for more legislation about racially motivated crime laws.
Sharpton and Jackson are out there yelling real loud.
Point is, are the blacks being used by groups like CAIR to get laws that will benefit Muslims?
I am in daily contact with a lot of good old boys and girls and the tone Has Not Changed!
There is no overall racial attitude that wasn't here before.
So who is doing all this? And Why?

What group would benefit from stronger laws prohibiting free speech in our country.

As much as I deplore the underwear sticking out of the pants thing, I worry that morally motivated dress codes are dangerous. Warning: use of this could lead to wearing Burqas.

Posted by: Aunt Bea at November 2, 2007 1:39 PM

People aren't complaining enough!

If Muslims actually lifted a finger to do something about terrorism, then none of this would be happening.

Who started this anyway?

I wouldn't board a flight with 6 of them seated apart either.

Posted by: Armoured Passionfruit at November 2, 2007 1:51 PM

"The flight attendants told police that the men were staring angrily at them and everyone else on board."

Angry stares -- just another way to terrorize and intimidate their victims. If looks could kill, then a terrorists job would be SO much easier.

Posted by: champ at November 2, 2007 2:02 PM

I don't think the original story had this..

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation/AP/story/292618.html

"The men worked for Defense Training Systems, a unit of International Logistics Services Corp. of Anchorage, Alaska. Their work involved teaching Marines about Iraqi culture, customs and etiquette, said their lawyer, Lawrence T. Garcia."

In other words..

Religion of Peace Training.

Tax Dollars at work...

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at November 2, 2007 11:34 AM

Thank you greatcometof1577 for filling in the blanks. I was wondering what kind of "training" the camel jockeys "performed". Now it's all clear. Islamofascist indoctination in the name of "peace". What's the point in trying to steer the Iraqis away from the type of "culture" taught by the Koran(the "death to infidels etiquette") if this type of "sensitivity" training is forced on American troops? Jayzuschrist.

Posted by: SFCMAC at November 2, 2007 3:18 PM

See here for a description of the services that their employer provides to the U.S. military. Quote:

Foreign Language Specialists (FLS) /Civilians on the Battlefield (COBs): DTS has extensive experience providing role players to support live combat and peacekeeping simulations. Our database of Arabic role players has over two thousand qualified individuals with carefully researched backgrounds. Unlike other firms that provide COBs using any available actor, DTS utilizes only authentic personnel from the intended theatre of operation.

Not to worry: these FLS's and COB's are carefully screened...(wait for it)...to make sure they come from the country that is being simulated.

Hugh had it right, and it surprises and frightens me. Not that Hugh had it right (as always), but that our government is bringing in FLS's and COB's to be part of the training of our soldiers. What do these FLS's and COB's learn from the training sessions? What do they do with that knowledge?

Posted by: special_guest at November 2, 2007 4:20 PM

Italy starts rounding up Romanian immigrants

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=DEXTRJ1PEQTAVQFIQMGCFGGAVCBQUIV0?xml=/news/2007/11/02/witaly202.xml

Italians show they have balls and I hope the rest of Europe is paying attention. When an immigrant group causes enough crime & trouble they kick them out as is their right. Maybe some North Africans next?

Posted by: FM at November 2, 2007 4:34 PM

special_guest

"Our database of Arabic role players has over two thousand qualified individuals with carefully researched backgrounds."

Considering the U.S. government and most in the west don't understand the enemy and still think of Islam as the religion of peace...how effective do you think those backrounds were researched? Hell why do you need to go to a terror training camp Pakistan when you can get a job playing war games with the real thing in Alaska?

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at November 2, 2007 4:38 PM

special_guest noted:

"What do they [FLS's and COB's] do with that knowledge?"

Precisely. I hadn't thought of that as I read the "course descriptions" on the company's website link provided by 'greatcometof1577' above. My reaction was simply "what a clever entrepreneur" to have found a way to employ fellow islamists.

Posted by: wholebrainer at November 2, 2007 4:52 PM

Am I the only American who was shocked and sickened by the bringing in of paid 'private contractors' to bleed and die for their country like so many hired gunslingers?

It was some turning point like when Rome counted on armies of foreign mercenaries to defend its decadence.

Then this. What other 'private contracting' is going on out there? Why not just make the world one big Fascist corporation and be done with it.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at November 2, 2007 6:50 PM

Of course, a bloodsucking lawyer taking the case on contingency and/or CAIR are helping them in their lawsuit.

There is one way in which Muslim immigrants become more American than Americans: lawsuits.

They love them. It fits too. If you want to promote an Islamic agenda and also get some money, then sue everyone you can as often as you can.

Serving Allah and extorting money. A lawsuit against an infidel allows you to do both. A winning proposition for a Muslim.

Posted by: Wimbledon Womble at November 2, 2007 8:17 PM

"DTS has extensive experience providing role players to support live combat and peacekeeping simulations."

So these were possible "role players" , 6 young middle eastern men, possibly all Iraqi, and may have appearances so convincing that they are paid by the government to be "role players" to support "live combat simulations".

Were they so well suited to pose as insurgents?, or Al Qaeda in Iraq, or your common everyday neighborhood Iraqi jihadist?

If they were paid for their services because they look so much like insrgents, and can act like insurgents, no wonder they were reported. Perhaps someone forgot to instruct them to stop their "role playing" after they left the marine base.

Posted by: USorThem at November 2, 2007 9:36 PM

Apparently, the infiltration is much worse than feared.

Posted by: awake at November 3, 2007 12:11 AM