Islam is Peace / Hitler was Evil

Which statement is false?

Posted by: champ at November 2, 2007 7:39 PM

I know this has been remarked on before, but interesting how none of the other religious groups in Britain - Jews, Sikhs, Buddhists, Rastafarians, et al - need any such campaign to persuade mainstream Brits that their respective groups need dialog with them, including work with Business and Community Leaders.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at November 2, 2007 7:42 PM

I emailed them some simple, polite questions, as they invite on their website. Not surprisingly, no response... maybe we should all ask them a similar set of questions, repeatedly, and then publicize the fact that they won't answer?

Posted by: Obelisk1 at November 2, 2007 7:46 PM

Da'wa isn't dialogue. I find it offensive that they constantly note how wonderful terrorism has been for da'wa. Breaking knees is good for collection as well, but you don't brag about it in public.

Posted by: Beagle at November 2, 2007 7:59 PM

If one wants to discuss "racism" and "exclusion" just look at Saudi-A-Totolitarian-Gas-Station. Arab racism and exploitation of "guest workers" is a open secret and crime against humanity that Amnesty International has attempted to bring to world attention. And what of the Muslim silence re the mass murder of Negro Africans in Darfur?

Arab invented Islam is so effective a racist system that Africans with (at lest part) Negro ancestry identify with their Arab (Are-a-fat looking) masters as they murder other Negro Africans. So many non-Arabs (Persians, Negros, Ed-209 "find my Nazi collaborator ancestors please" Lakovic-style-Europeans, etc.) pakistan-up their heritage and bow to their Arab masters.

This is what Muslims should be protesting. Instead, they bow to Saudi-A-Totolitarian-Gas-Station-the center of Arab racism and imperialism.

Posted by: Frank at November 2, 2007 8:03 PM

Islam is peas.

The organizers of this campaign know that just saying something over and over, especially when you have Gulf State money to do so, makes it appear true. People learn by repetition, and brainwashing is just a form of "learning" of untruth, coming to accept something clearly false as truth because it is repeated over and over again.

Islamists know it. Leftists know it. Fascists know it. All totalitarians know it. Repeat something over and over, and it takes on a life of its own, regardless of its actually verity.

This is just one part in the longer term strategy. Soften people up. Make them comfortable about Islam. The work to impose sharia continues, and this is part of the strategy. Once people are complacent, they do not speak up and just go back to their daily business, because Islam is peace and speaking up is Islamophobic, so why bother.

Then one day, society is living under sharia law, but by that time it's too late to wake up. If at that point you proclaim, "Islam is not peace, and I am not afraid of saying that and being called an Islamophobe," it'll be too late. You'll be carted off.

Posted by: Wimbledon Womble at November 2, 2007 8:06 PM

Obelisk1

good idea.

i actually emailed mr malik the "british" member of parliament over his "detention", he of course never responded.

but we must pursue these people. badger them is a good word!

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at November 2, 2007 8:17 PM

I don't know if there still are, but there used to be large triangular signs on the freeways in Texas reminding everyone to "Drive Friendly".

I thought it must be pretty bad if they have to remind you constantly.

Oh, and in case you forget...Islam is peace.

-XRDC

Posted by: XRDC at November 2, 2007 8:20 PM

"The organizers of this campaign know that just saying something over and over, especially when you have Gulf State money to do so, makes it appear true".-Wimbledon Womble

I am coming to the conclusion that Saudi-A-Totolitarian-Gas-Station (the center of Arab racism and Imperialism) is the source of about 90% of Islamofascism. Amnesty International has got it right re these (Are-a-fat looking) imperialists.

Islam is an Arab racist-imperialist invented "religion" that attempts to have indigenous cultures pakistan-up their heritage and bow to Mecca. Islam is the internalization of the culture of the Arab ("the best people") masters.

All of history is the record of one people conquering and destroying "indigenous cultures". Such conquests often entail genocide and then the rewriting of history to sanitize the destruction of the "indigenous people/culture". But he Arabs have been the most successful at this. They are a smart people. Non-Arab Muslims bow to them, have internalized the culture of their masters.

Posted by: Frank at November 2, 2007 8:27 PM

LGF finds a new obsession to add to the DKos obsession:

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=27784_The_Mask_Comes_Off_at_Brussels_Journal

LGF seems less an anti-jihad site these days than a social club for immature ranters and quipsters.

It's very sad when a once-important site in the network of anti-jihad sites goes batty. The site has gone OT.

Posted by: Wimbledon Womble at November 2, 2007 8:41 PM

Cute little tyke.
Now ask him about Jews.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at November 2, 2007 8:46 PM

By the way, the LGF obsession with DKos continues in parallel:

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=27780_Daily_Kos_Quoted_in_Lions_for_Lambs_Ad

LGF still has some good posts to important information, although signal/noise ratio keeps going down. The comments on LGF are all but useless these days, as they seem to be just little quips.

I predict that dedicated anti-jihad sites, like JihadWatch, that are not so much of a social club/echo chamber will see an increase in traffic. Still, the loss of LGF to irrelevance is a huge loss and at least in the short term a gain to Islamists and leftists.

Posted by: Wimbledon Womble at November 2, 2007 8:52 PM

As far as this Muslim poopaganda (a term invented by the poster "Champ") campaign-crack open a window.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4653336456290102460&q=real+men+of+genius+commercials&total=95&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2

Posted by: Frank at November 2, 2007 8:55 PM

Robert says a lot in a short time...more good work...

Posted by: duh_swami at November 2, 2007 9:19 PM

If you'd like to get the world to stop swallowing the Islamist Palestinian deception, then would you please help raise the visibility of Democracy Broadcasting News in the Weblog Awards, Best Video Blog category?

Help us raise our visibility in contrast to Hot Air (whom we love, too, but they don't need your vote- they'll win the category, anyway).

Help us make a respectable showing to validate the significance of our exposing the Islamists' propaganda against Israel to alert and save the West.

Thank you (and bless you) for your vote of endorsement!

Posted by: DemoCast at November 2, 2007 9:27 PM

Did anyone notice the writing going up on the screen on point number 1? The last sentence isn't read out by the narrator, it says: "To be ready for whatever emergency faces us?" I find myself wondering what this might mean in the context of "Islamophobia".

Like others I have taken up their invitation to ask them questions, such as "contrary to your assertion that FGM is un-Islamic, the Shafi'i school's 'Reliance of the Traveller' (in the Arabic, not in the sanitised Al-Azhar authorised "translation") states that cutting out the clitoris is obligatory. Can you please explain this apparent inconsistency?" Sadly I have not received a response to my attempt at dialogue.

The campaign plays on the feelings of Muslim victimhood & is an advocacy programme designed to get the Muslim population on side for the cultural jihad's propaganda and advancement of the international Umma's goals. Its not aimed at westerners at all, its aimed at pulling Muslims together for advancement in the political sphere. I would make a bet that there is government funding behind much of this programme to "promote understanding" though.

But having said that I think the last point #5 is actually aimed at westerners. We're being told what we want to hear from this troublesome member of the international community. It solely a sop to our concerns and a red-herring. I must confess, I find the whole programme a source of concern rather than reassurance.

Posted by: Liam1304 at November 2, 2007 10:13 PM

Liam1304:

There is no doubt at all that it is part of a sharia-in-stages effort by the most uncompromising Islamists. The language is carefully chosen to send messages both to the British population at large and to the British Muslims population. It is the typical mix of appeal to liberal/multiculti sentiments, victimhood claims AND implicit threats we see as the passive-aggressive MO of Islamists in the West. It is indeed disturbing, because it shows that there is no desire to assimilate and live peacefully amongst neighbors and because it shows how much money Islamists have to push their faux peace message.

We live in troubling times.

Posted by: Wimbledon Womble at November 2, 2007 10:58 PM

More obfuscation by Muslims. Message to Muslims in Britain and to Muslims everywhere: You're not fooling huge numbers of unbelievers. And these numbers of skeptical dhimmis are growing with each new Muslim terrorist attack, with each new example of self-pity by the umma, with each new realization about what Islam really intends for all the world-----sharia and all that rot. In short, Muslims everywhere, we're on to you.

Posted by: Wellington at November 2, 2007 11:15 PM

"islam is peace"...lol...my @$$...
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,307680,00.html
http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1594.htm

uh HUH..."islam is peace...now pay attention to how best to beat your wife"
Hypocrisy at its best...but hey, I don't know a dealth cult that isn't...
LOL

Posted by: jcom972 at November 2, 2007 11:48 PM

The truth always hurts about Islam when the Islamists state explicitly as such...especially when Robert relays that truth.

This is a fundamental understanding to those who oppose Robert Spencer, those who have not a single good leg to stand on in their argument against him.

Obligatory dialogue only goes so far.

Posted by: awake at November 3, 2007 12:07 AM

One thing the islamofascist scammers don't get... it's called human nature (and those of us still with common sense, not political correctness)...
one overriding factor they will never get...

those who really ARE of what they say/claim (of whatever position/belief/policy) DON'T have to advertise it.
That's why, for example, Christians, Jews, Buddhists, et.al. (sorry if I missed anyone, but you get the idea) really ARE a "religion of peace"...we already KNOW it, so we don't HAVE to advertise on a PR campaign to make an issue of it.

That's why it's so lame it's pathetic, and we're not falling for that BS.

Posted by: jcom972 at November 3, 2007 12:19 AM

Their always crying "racism" is why we need the new word "culturism." Racism must be confronted and stopped. But culturism allows us to be clear that we are talking about cultural issues.

Culturism is defined to mean that majority cultures have a right to define, protect and promote themselves. Just as Saudi Arabia guards their culture, Western nations have the right to defend theirs.

We should not be racist, but we must be culturist. Learn more at www.culturism.us

Posted by: jkp at November 3, 2007 12:41 AM

jcom972:

The problem with Islam is that it lacks the concepts of compassion and empathy.

Even with regard to other Muslims, Islam does not emphasize love but duty, since a Muslim is duty bound to support the Ummah (Muslim community), a collective defined in opposition to the kafir/infidels. When Muslims call one another brothers and sisters, it is because they are defining their separateness from the infidel rather than because of brotherly or sisterly feelings of love, compassion, etc. The whole stance of the religion is geared for expansion and domination and war - Muslims should support one another so that they can bring Islam to others by conversion or the sword. It is an ideology of total domination.

Muslims put other Muslim before others not because they have feelings of compassion and love for one another. Just look at how easily Muslims kill other Muslims without pity or compassion but with a terrifying coldness.

Now, if they can be so cruel to their coreligionists, just imagine with what coldness and often orgasmic ecstasy Islamists so often move against infidels. (Allahu Akhbar over and over excitedly before they fly planes into buildings or behead infidels.)

Islam is the only major religion that teaches people to behave worse and more primitively than they normally would.

The problem with Islam - the central problem - is that it has no place for compassion and empathy.

Posted by: Wimbledon Womble at November 3, 2007 12:41 AM

WIMBLEDON: "LGF seems less an anti-jihad site these days than a social club for immature ranters and quipsters. It's very sad when a once-important site in the network of anti-jihad sites goes batty. The site has gone OT."

RESPONSE: I personally admire Charles Johnson's stand against the European racist right. Nothing will discredit the anti-Jihad - and by extension, empower the Islamo-Left - more than associations with proponents of racism. We should similarly distance ourselves from fanatical Hindu groups.

Islam isn't the only sociological evil in the world.

Posted by: Cornelius at November 3, 2007 1:11 AM

Cornelius said "I personally admire Charles Johnson's stand against the European racist right."

Charles is taking a stand for Charles.

LGF is smearing a large swath of the European right as racist. In so doing it is using the same tactic that has been used against it by the leftwing blogosphere.

Fjordman is a case in point. Look into Fjordman - LGF's recent treatment of him, their past adulation of him and Fjordman's own writings. This is emblematic of the problem at LGF. They thoughtlessly and in lockstep turn against former allies and attack people who are very thoughtful, widely admired and clearly not racist.

LGF is all black-or-white all the time. JihadWatch is more focused and more grown up.

Posted by: Wimbledon Womble at November 3, 2007 2:29 AM

Cornelius said: "Nothing will discredit the anti-Jihad - and by extension, empower the Islamo-Left - more than associations with proponents of racism."

I would add that LGF has been doing more recently to discredit the anti-jihad movement than anyone else.

Posted by: Wimbledon Womble at November 3, 2007 2:42 AM

I second that, Wimbledon.

Looks like Charles has been smoking them 'freedom fries' too many lately....

The lizards have become a canniballistic lynch mob and a bunch of childish cheer leaders. They don't differ at all from the Kos kidz.

The real debate, however, continues over at the Gates of Vienna and the Brussels journal.

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at November 3, 2007 5:31 AM

Hotair is also going the way of LGF. They have a new policy there that if you do not tow the line with respect to the Brussels kerfluffel, you are persona non grata and risk being banned. In fact, Allahpundit instituted a policy that anyone who endorses support for the BNP on their pages will be banned. That indeed, qualifies as Stalinist, or Nazi tactics. Or to be honest, just plain leftist tactics. They have swallowed this "anti-racism" polemic whole which just hands the Left the same huge stick they have always used to whack anti-jihad proponents. They claim that they still fight the anti-jihad cause, but the anti-racism cause is equally important. Which, ironically, is exactly the stance of all muslim apologists, such as CAIR. Yes, we too, condemn terrorism, but you know, this anti-muslim racism is a huge problem and needs to be addressed.

Posted by: jihadwatcher at November 3, 2007 7:16 AM

The problem to me is this:

Some people want to use the legal system to charge mental states as crimes: homophobia, racism, Islamophobia, holocaust denial... The "crime" in these cases is usually making your opinion known in some way. I'm not saying none of these laws have any merit. What I am saying is you can't oppose one and support the others, or any others.

There's a bright line you've crossed: punishing the mens rea with no criminal actus reus.

crime = mental state + physical act of crime

ex//
Bruce Bawer wants his European homophobia laws but doesn't want to be hit with Islamophobia or racism charges.

I'd start two red marks down from Sharmuta and Highrise for noting that at LGF.

Posted by: Beagle at November 3, 2007 9:53 AM

Dare I say it?

I would say Mr. Spencer looks very stiff there. Perhaps a little less beard, like Richard Karn

http://www.wchstv.com/synd_prog/familyfeud/richardkarnfull.jpg

http://www.star-daze.com/images/photos/richard_karn.jpg

and a little less heavy suits.
Right now, he looks like Sebastian Cabot of the tv shows.

http://www.frankdecaro.com/recipes/photos/sebastiancabot/sebastiancabot2.jpg

Mr. Spencer could wear more comfortable clothes so he can more around more.

Posted by: allat at November 3, 2007 10:24 AM

Dare I say it?

I would say Mr. Spencer looks very stiff there. Perhaps a little less beard, like Richard Karn

http://www.wchstv.com/synd_prog/familyfeud/richardkarnfull.jpg

http://www.star-daze.com/images/photos/richard_karn.jpg

and a little less heavy suits.
Right now, he looks like Sebastian Cabot of the tv shows.

http://www.frankdecaro.com/recipes/photos/sebastiancabot/sebastiancabot2.jpg

Mr. Spencer could wear more comfortable clothes so he can move around more.

Posted by: allat at November 3, 2007 10:25 AM

Spot on, Beagel!

These 2 are the absolute cheerleaders over there. A trifecta of hypocrisy...

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at November 3, 2007 10:29 AM

Everyone's a hypocrite. That's not the point. If you want to stop the spread of creeping sharia, we need to put the brakes on thought control laws like defamation of religion, apostasy, insulting a prophet, polytheism, shirk, fitna, cartoons of blasphemy, and so on.

I don't like a comment rating system anyway. It's lazy debate, automatic ad hominem.

Not that I'm above a few good ad hominems, and I'm working my way to that as this drags on.

Posted by: Beagle at November 3, 2007 12:31 PM

For one thing, Charles has been getting chilling e-mail. We only see a small part of that. So VB and that Swedish party have hurt themselves, some might say exposed themselves, by responding in that fashion.

If you want a good reason for chilling speech look no further than death threats in response to questions.

VB's history doesn't look good, but throwing around the term Nazi in Europe has a way of sticking on everyone. George Soros did more to aid the Nazis than DeWinter, though creepy racial views he appears to hold.

Then you have a similar question to what always comes up with regards to Islam but applied to VB. Do we say everone in VB (a fairly big party) is automatically a racist/Nazi, keeping in mind those are punished pretty harshly in Belgium/Europe?

That's where all this started. If you favor punishing people for any crime of expression, how are you going to oppose sharia?

Posted by: Beagle at November 3, 2007 1:13 PM

Beagle,

Chilling e-mail worries you? I've had (Muhammedan) death threats to my face, in front of several witnesses. That's no excuse to call everybody a Nazi and even less to knock everybody who doesn't toe the party line off.

Europe is not America. Europe never was a 'melting pot'- and it won't be, not for a long time .In Europe people are attached to where they live, where they work and with whom they associate. Culture and traditions matter. You may not have that in America, and it might become less with all the multiculti-diversity indoctrination in Europe too. But that is not something that happens overnight, and especially not as long as Muhammedan and African infiltration continues. People I know live in the same houses, in the same property with several generations under one roof, since centuries.
Yes, these things are not so common anymore, but where do you find that in the US?

LGF has gone off the rails. Europeans have a right to rid themselves of Muhammedan infiltration. For that I would sign up with anybody who comes on board. The people Charles attacked are not Nazis. Neither are they white supremacists. But if Africa is for the Africans then I don't see why white Europeans can't take a stand.

But if Charles boots people off his blog for making statements like 'internment & deportations' than I suspect he has another agenda and that he is not a sincere partner in the counter jihad. What solutions have the canniballistic green lizards offered?

Whacking the Muhammedans with wet lettuce?

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at November 3, 2007 2:09 PM

sheik yer'mami

I don't think Charles lacks for scary e-mail from jihadists. Though I'll wager Robert is up there with the leaders.

Threatening people you're arguing with is Nazi behavior. Start abusing the powers of government on a grand scale because you disagree with people and you're even closer. You have to resist Islamization with a reasonable response.

I don't think merely talking about internment or deportations should be reasons for banning people unless it's approached the wrong way or obsessively, a judgment call. This debate has been going on a long time and everyone knows the extreme postions. I've advocated tossing groups of jihadis out of the country, literally at times. But people are going to vary as to what they allow posted at their sites.

Posted by: Beagle at November 3, 2007 2:57 PM

If a cute little boy on slick-made propaganda says that Islam is Peace, then it MUST be true. Now, go back to sleep.

Posted by: Xero G at November 3, 2007 11:37 PM

WIMBLEDON WOOBLE: "This is emblematic of the problem at LGF. They thoughtlessly and in lockstep turn against former allies and attack people who are very thoughtful, widely admired and clearly not racist."

On the contrary, there is a growing body of evidence indicating that the people in question ARE racists. An honest look at Charles' exposition indicates at the very least circumspection and caution in dealing with these folks.

Posted by: Cornelius at November 4, 2007 2:15 AM

SHIEK YER MAMI: "LGF has gone off the rails. Europeans have a right to rid themselves of Muhammedan infiltration. For that I would sign up with anybody who comes on board."

Folks, nothing will delegitimize the counter-jihad more than associating it with just "anybody", i.e., racists. Doing so will destroy our credibility and preclude the possibility that the counter-Jihad will ever become a mass movement, embraced by a cross-section of society.

We can't let our antipathy for Islam blind us to other forms of sociological evil and injustice.

Posted by: Cornelius at November 4, 2007 2:21 AM

Cornelius, ask yourself:

Why would I NOT wanna have you on my side when the going gets tough?

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at November 4, 2007 7:15 AM

SHIEK: "Why would I NOT wanna have you on my side when the going gets tough?"

RESPONSE: Maybe because I'm not a racist?

Posted by: Cornelius at November 4, 2007 9:00 AM