We must accept different cultures no matter how different.

/sarc

Posted by: Elric66 at November 7, 2007 10:08 AM

My ancestors were rewarded with land in Tennessee in lieu of wages that the Continental Army owed them for service during the Revolutionary War.

Time to get the long rifle down from the wall, clean it up and load it.

Read the Qur'an - all of these tyrants are merely fulfilling the words of Mohammed.

Posted by: tanstaafl at November 7, 2007 10:15 AM

Those guys sound like a bunch of ISLAMOPHOBES!!!!

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at November 7, 2007 10:16 AM

The comments made in this posting clearly spotlight what is happening to Christian communities in Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon and Iraq. They are being compelled to observe Moslem laws. There is one reawon and perhaps only one reason for continued US presence in the Middle East and that is to protect the non-Moslem enclaves, to foster their safety and nurture their growth in sight of the Moslem masses. The oil-based money weapon won't last. Peak oil will be reached and the slide of Saudi influence will begin. The question remains: How many Western politicians can the Saudis buy before that tme?

Posted by: Chatillon at November 7, 2007 10:16 AM

Charles Martel,

You rock!

Posted by: Elric66 at November 7, 2007 10:28 AM

something is missing in the equation: all cultures are equal. ... insight.

tell our multiculturalists; they're leading us into slavery.

the multiculturalists are blinding the public as to sharia law and its horrendous strictures. the multiculturalists have not understood that this system brings no mercy and is therefore not a good thing.

Posted by: boakai ngombu at November 7, 2007 10:30 AM

". . . Islam will take control and will seize the power in America . . .

Not without a fight!

Dear Muhammad Abdel-El, Come to East Tennessee; climb Rocky Top and try to impose you evil cult. You won't come back. Why don't you go to Newport, Cocke County, Tennessee and tell them that you have new plan. I dare you.

Posted by: Pelayo at November 7, 2007 10:31 AM

"Why is there a problem when it comes to the Islamic state that wants to impose its rules?"

Where to begin...You answer these questions yourself.

1) Hamad and other terror leaders stated all Jews and Christians living in the U.S. once Islam takes over would need to pay the jizya – a special protection tax,

2) And other special taxes for non-Muslims, including one for the right to cultivate land.

3) Non-Muslims cannot own land themselves.

4) No new synagogues or churches can be built in the Islamic state.

5) Existing houses of worship may remain, but services cannot be conducted loudly or in any public fashion.

6) The ringing of church bells or blowing of the ceremonial Jewish shofar would be forbidden, the terror leaders said.

"We see already in America a nucleus of Islam, a base for Islam. This will become bigger, stronger, more important, until Islam will take control and will seize the power in America and the world...America will be overthrown."

There they go, assuming the sale again. Remember, Muslims lie, A LOT! They cannot be trusted to give an accurate picture of the world around them, and certainly not about our world. And I'm sick of waiting for them to come get us. It's time to turn the tables on THEM.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at November 7, 2007 10:35 AM

Islam HAS been reformed and been updated. Instead of swords they use cell phone activated bombs. The message, life and works of Mohammed remain the same.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at November 7, 2007 10:43 AM

Rather than a "nucleus" of islam, I think of it as a festering boil, a carbuncle - as it were.

Posted by: Havoc at November 7, 2007 10:50 AM

Guys, I have a friend who told me when I met her almost a year ago that her husband doesn't respect her need for affection or protection. She constantly tests him on those two subjects and he constantly rebuffs her. And she is constantly depressed by it, yet she knows he is not going to change. I told her last week that she needs to face up to the fact that he is NEVER going to give her what she wants and find a way to deal with it instead of constantly waiting for him to change. He hasn't since they were married almost thirty years ago and he isn't going to now.

Same with Islam. Let's stop, once and for all, wringing our hands and hoping that Muslims will come to respect us and our ways. We can wait another thirty years and try to mediate while they infiltrate, subjugate and eradicate, or we can draw the line in the sand, right now, today, and blow away anyone who steps over the line.

When we have stupid Muslim women in Florida bragging about how they laugh when a non-Muslim is killed, they are already way over the line. Oh, and BTW, we need to decide who and what we are, declare it loudly and stand firm behind it. To be described as a "non-Muslim" is bullshit, because it makes it seem as if everything revolves around Islam. It doesn't. I am an American woman and being that and being a Muslim are polar opposites. So let us top pretending that the good Muslim are going to assimilate into America and we're all going to be one big happy family.

You are either for us or against us, there is no in between. And the sooner we take sides, the sooner we can be clear about who we are fighting, what we are fighting for and what we have to do to win. 'Sorry folks, but as Charles Martel says, there is no more time. We must act now.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at November 7, 2007 10:56 AM

Guys, I have a friend who told me when I met her almost a year ago that her husband doesn't respect her need for affection or protection. She constantly tests him on those two subjects and he constantly rebuffs her. And she is constantly depressed by it, yet she knows he is not going to change. I told her last week that she needs to face up to the fact that he is NEVER going to give her what she wants and find a way to deal with it instead of constantly waiting for him to change. He hasn't since they were married almost thirty years ago and he isn't going to now.

Same with Islam. Let's stop, once and for all, wringing our hands and hoping that Muslims will come to respect us and our ways. We can wait another thirty years and try to mediate while they infiltrate, subjugate and eradicate, or we can draw the line in the sand, right now, today, and blow away anyone who steps over the line.

When we have stupid Muslim women in Florida bragging about how they laugh when a non-Muslim is killed, they are already way over the line. Oh, and BTW, we need to decide who and what we are, declare it loudly and stand firm behind it. To be described as a "non-Muslim" is bullshit, because it makes it seem as if everything revolves around Islam. It doesn't. I am an American woman and being that and being a Muslim are polar opposites. So let us stop pretending that the good Muslim are going to assimilate into America and we're all going to be one big happy family.

You are either for us or against us, there is no in between. And the sooner we take sides, the sooner we can be clear about who we are fighting, what we are fighting for and what we have to do to win. 'Sorry folks, but as Charles Martel says, there is no more time. We must act now.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at November 7, 2007 10:57 AM

As stated above...time works for Islam. Islam can capture America by capturing the vote. Immigrate, multiply, and vote. 'Vote jihad'. The Islamic menace was noted by early Americans such as Adams, but no one then conceived of the idea of 'vote jihad'.
We are just starting to catch on to the reality of this lately. Hamas winning an election in Palestine
is an example of 'vote jihad'. This process is non violent, and is consistent with the 'American way'.
And yet it is a 'take over' scheme that is working.
We already saw it with the election of muslim Congressman Ken Ellison. Expect more of that incrementation of power, until the muslim block is ready to lay sharia on us.
The only way I see out of that is to alter
'The American way', just a little bit. We must stop muslim immigration. Deport illegals. Declare the Ummah/Islam, as a hostile political entity, consider the legal muslims as residents, but not US citizens. They should be considered 'residents without a country', they can work, even prosper, but not vote or participate in jihad...All we are doing is taking away vote jihad. Otherwise we are doing muslims a kindness, we have relieved the burden of identifying with 'The Great Satan'.
Muslims with the vote, will always vote against dar al-harb, and vote for dar al-Islam.
The terrorist themselves tell you what the results of that will be...

Posted by: duh_swami at November 7, 2007 10:59 AM

What a blowhard. America is not going to be overthrown by a bunch of non-showering barbarians who have it in their teeny brains that they're supreme beings. 2nd Constitutional Amendment, read it and understand it, Islamofreaks.

Posted by: Prickzilla at November 7, 2007 11:00 AM

Abdel-El affirmed must be smoking some good stuff. What a bunch of nonsense. Does he really think 300 millions Americans are going to roll over and play dead? Please.

Posted by: Yankinwaoz at November 7, 2007 11:01 AM

These clerics are simply are dreaming, they forget that there are A LOT of Americans who are armed to the teeth and all no pushovers.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at November 7, 2007 11:05 AM

"contrary to the bland assumptions of the learned analysts."
-- from Robert Spencer's comment above

But which "learned analysts" are those? What is happening today is not that a new doctrine has arisen, but that the old, and permanent doctrine of Jihad has been given new life by the new strength of Islam that is the result of three things:

1) the money that comes from oil and gas, and that since 1973 alone has amounted to ten trillion dollars

2) the nearly-simultaneous admission, into many of the countries that make up the Bilad al-Kufr, or Lands of the Infidels, of millions of Muslim migrants. The ruling elites who so carelessly let them in did not know, and simply made bland assumptions about, the texts and tenets and attitudes naturally arising from, Islam, and never wondered about what was contained, undeclared, in the mental baggage of those Musim migrants. They were seen, quite incorrectly, only as "economic migrants" -- just like other, non-Muslim immigants -- who would come, work hard, and then somehow fit it. The doctrine of Islam, with its central division of the universe between Believer and Infidel, Dar al-Islam and Dar al-Harb, a doctrine that mandates a state of permanent war (though not always of open warfare) between Believer and Infidel, and requires of Muslims that they participate, sometimes as a collective but in certain circumstances individually, in a "struggle" or JIhad to push back the boundaries of Dar al-Islam at the expense of Dar al-Harb, so that eventually the whole world, which of course belongs to Allah, comes under Islam's dominance, and Muslims rule, everywhere. This is the doctrine. That some Muslims may, for various reasons, not participate wholeheartedly, or may choose to engage in non-violent Jihad -- through deployment of the Money Weapon, or non-stop well-financed carefully-targetted campaigns of Da'wa, or simply through constant overbreeding relative to the indigenous Infidels so that they are engaged, without more, in demographic conquest -- should be no relief, at all, for wary Infidels. The Netherlands had 15,000 Muslims in 1970; now it has one million. Similar terrifying rises can be charted for other countries in Europe. What is to be done? Nothing? Something? If something, what? At the very least, all Muslim migration to the West must be halted, and then measures undertaken to reverse it, first by halting all support from abroad, from the Saudis who pay for the building and upkeep for those ever-expanding mosques and madrasas. Then by carefully examining how Muslims exploit the benefits offered -- free education, health care, subsidized or free housing -- in ways that involve the definition of the family, and outright fraud, and applying all the resources of the state to investigating and denying claims, and prosecuting those Muslims (in other words, a selective use of investigative and prosecutorial resources) who are found to be fiddlers of the system. Finally, there are other ways to make a country less gushiingly welcoming (see Karen Hughes) to those whose ideology makes them permanent enemies of that country's political and legal institutions, that they would change, in a minute, if only they could. Those who believe in the Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira cannot conceivably offer their allegiance to the American Constitutuion; the texts and tenets of Islam flatly contradict the Constitution. If anyone denies this, let him start by explaining how Islam views three clauses -- Freedom of Speech, Free Exercise, and the Establishment Clauses, of the First Amendment. And from that, go to the Fourteenth Amendment, and ask about how in Muslim societies, what equivalent now exists to ensure equal treatment for non-Muslims under the law -- or what equivalent ever could be found.

3) the apppopration, by Muslim propagandists, for their own malevolent uses, of the technological advances -- the technology -- audiocassettes, videocassettes, satellite television, the Internet -- made in the Western world, and that make the dissemination of Islam's full message, and of its propaganda, much easier.

Now if by "learned analysts" one means the various apologists -- google "MESA Nostra" for more -- who include both Muslims (Omid Safi, Rashid Khalidi, the inimitable Ode-to-Edward-Said composer Hamid Dabashi) and non-Muslims (Michael Sells, Carl Ernst, Richard Bulliett et al.)including the occasional successful Sammy Glick of Academe (google "Academic War Profiteers") -- then perhaps the epithet ought to be dropped.

The true "learned analysts" of Islam -- Snouck Hurgronje, Arthur Jeffrey, Henri Lammens, Joseph Schacht, Georges Vajda, and several hundred others, those once called "Orientalists," the scholars whose training, whose mental preparation, was incomparably more complete than that of so many of those now parading about on campuses today, and who studied and wrote about Islam when one could be truthful, and did not care about offending Muslim colleaagues, the century (from roughly 1865 to 1965) before the Great Inhibition descended, and only a handful dared to continue to write the truth, while those who might have done so were driven out of the field, not hired or not promoted, so that it could be left almost entirely in the hands of the Army of Apologists. And only recently have, here and there, a few managed to slip by, but the breach has been made, and MESA Nostrans, having been held up to inspection and well-deserved criticism and ridicule, are now, despite their numbers, and despite so many of them sitting in well-upholstered and well-endowed chairs (filled, in many cases, in the careful way that Omid Safi was hired at Chapel Hill through the machinations of Carl Sells, for the apologists will always be careful to hire others just like themselves, lest the Party Line for the students be discordantly interrupted by a dissident voice).

"Learned" analysts can be found. Just go to the library. Start with Schacht, Snouck Hurgronje, Arthur Jeffrey, Lammens, St. Clair Tisdall, even Lewis at his best not his worst ("The Political Language of Islam" and "The Multiple Identities of the Middle East"), Bat Ye'or and her pioneering works on the dhimmi and what she (not Bashir Gemayel) first called, usefully --despite the disgraceful attempt by Bermard Lewis to prevent that word gaining currency -- "dhimmitude."

They are all sitting on the library shelves, waiting for you: the true Learned Analysts. Go to them.

Posted by: Hugh at November 7, 2007 11:07 AM

A poster the other day pointed out that Islam is full of lies and liars and this indicates its satanic origins.

Satan is not interested in truth.

Satan, wisely, understands that people prefer illusion (and self-delusion) to truth. Why would people strive to assimilate the truth, when they can lollygag in a sea of self-delusion?

I can't answer that question.

Satan (the inspiration of Islam) is a relentless and determined foe.

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at November 7, 2007 11:11 AM

We might joke around about words such as those, but listen to this:
Every single Muslim in the world has the exact same aspiration, albeit some desiring it with diferent methodology. All true Muslims want to impose the 7th century sharia in the 21th century.

All of them want the Western way of life to be wiped out, and replaced by desert laws, which, incidently, are not fully practiced by Muslim nations themselves. (I wonder why!)

I once heard something like this (from an holocaust survivor):
"If someone says that he plans to kill you, believe it""

Of course, MSM is nowere near the site when news such as the above reported surface around.

They are more interested in fighting the "danger" posed by Christian Fundamentalists.

Posted by: Crusader at November 7, 2007 11:13 AM

Well as Jesus said, satan was a "a liar, thief, and murderer from the begining. " Islam is simply a creation of the devil, period.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at November 7, 2007 11:14 AM

Re: "We see already in America a nucleus of Islam, a base for Islam. This will become bigger, stronger, more important, until Islam will take control and will seize the power in America and the world"

Islam is extremely destructive. Recently when the the president of Pakistan said he did not want to see his country comite national suicide, my immediate thought was that that was done some centuries before when the Arabs and their flunkies invaded Hindu India. The result is that people from the same ethnic stock, with the same collective unconscious, are armed with nuclear weapons and ready to use them against their blood-brothers. The Hindu culture was destroyed in a war extermination against the indigenous culture-indigenous people.

What we witness today is a subcontinent where the descendants of Hindus have internalized the Arab master's Islam, his "names", his laws, etc. The Muslims in the Indian subcontinent are cultural suicide. Islam, the engine of Arab imperialism, does that to an indigenous culture.

Posted by: Frank at November 7, 2007 11:19 AM

Abdel Whats-his-name has a problem:

For Abdel's dreams to come true, Mohammedans will have to control two thirds of both houses of Congress, and control three quarters of the state legislatures.

Mohammedans may have to wait a few hundred years. Will anyone venture a guess as to the world wide Muslim population a hundred years form now? If he tries to expidite his dream, it will turn into a nightmare.

Dream on, Abdel.

Posted by: Pelayo at November 7, 2007 11:26 AM

Rather than a "nucleus" of islam, I think of it as a festering boil, a carbuncle - as it were.

by Havoc

It's more like a cancer. Unless we extract or irradiate it, it will metastasize and destroy the body that is America. We will resist and so it will take a long time but in the end it will consume us. Like all cancers, once it has killed the host it will die for lack of nourishment. But by then it will be too late to resurrect the free and vibrant country that once existed.

What does Islam expect to see in a world devoid of infidels? If the imam doesn't appear what will they do? Will they blow up the world in an effort to force the imam from his hiding place?

Posted by: PMK at November 7, 2007 11:28 AM

Choose your future.

And that means fighting for it.

Bless America and her fighting men and women.

Posted by: dgene at November 7, 2007 11:28 AM

Ynkeedoodle2

I'm not too much into Satan actually. He hung around here for a while till I got tired of his BS and ran him off. But he did go by the titles, the Great Liar, and Great Disrupter. He told me that lying disrupted truth, tranquility, and peace. He said he took great pleasure in lying to people to disrupt them...That's when it dawned on me (finally), 'so that's why he's hanging around here'!! That's when I threw him out. Oh, he comes back and bangs on the door once in a while, but I won't let him in. I heard he moved into a local mosque and is teaching taqiyya to muslims. As soon as he left, Clarity moved in...I like her a lot better...

Posted by: duh_swami at November 7, 2007 11:30 AM

"We see already in America a nucleus of Islam, a base for Islam. This will become bigger, stronger, more important, until Islam will take control and will seize the power in America and the world"

We must not lose sight that all of history is the record of the conquest-subduing of some "indigenous culture, indigenous people" and that this is often done along with genocide of the "indigenous culture, indigenous people". It is history everywhere from Aztec Empires to Zulu Empires. It's a very unpleasant aspect of human nature. However, for sheer cleverness, nothing beats Islam as a tool for giving the green light to the cultural and actual genocide of the lately "indigenous people" in a region (India, for example). This aspect of human nature is operative in the above statement.

Posted by: Frank at November 7, 2007 11:37 AM

"Bless America and her fighting men and women." by: dgene

Dgene, someday, every last one of us may become America's fighting men and women.

Posted by: Pelayo at November 7, 2007 11:42 AM

Like I've said before, not that anybody cares to address this most prickly issue but...prove the existence of Allah independent of the Qur'an or any other Islamic text. This would validate Islam as a realistic, spiritual, social and political system as it would be in line with the one true creator of this universe.

If not, Islam is false, every Muslim a tool.

Provide the one simple self-evident fact of existence and the world shall submit. No one really wishes to go against glaringly obvious truth - if it is certain. Surely Muslims can provide this most obvious point.

I'll die on my feet before I ever live on my knees for a lie so please provide proof or face infinite resistance. Either Allah exists or Allah does not - where's the proof?

Posted by: Quantum Infidel at November 7, 2007 11:56 AM

" Someday every last one of us may become America's fighting men and women"
posted above

Some will...most won't but who wants to struggle alongside the uncommitted.

Posted by: pismopal at November 7, 2007 11:59 AM

Muhammad Abdel-El, the spokesman and a senior leader of the Popular Resistance Committees terror organization.
seems to know very little about the US A Or you'd realize that despite the Liberals attempts to disarm people in this country that because the Second Amendment is still quite strong fire arms are quite readily available to wipe out their new lives of Islam

Posted by: mowasaperv at November 7, 2007 12:07 PM

"Uncovered heads is a form of nudity."
Sheik Abu Saqer

Why doesn't that hold true for men as well? Many's the time I've seen a Muslim couple with the woman covered from head to toe and the man with uncovered head, shorts and a t-shirt and sandals. That's a lot of hair out in the open.

Posted by: PMK at November 7, 2007 12:09 PM

So do you think you will see this on the news tonight? O'Reilly? Greta? .....uuuhhhhh....hello?

Posted by: americanmadestrat at November 7, 2007 12:26 PM

Assalamau Laikum all,

I am very sorry to all who found Muhammed's language and tone offensive....clearly he is not yet versed in the laws of Sharite lite.

Also I keep telling you about the need to get involved...negotiate your position away from shariat but not completely because in several decades you will not be the majority...change is inevitable....I have been saying this for about 3 years ....but even I muslima Naseem have been astounded at the pace of change...Get the laws to reflect this balance and mix of democracy and sharia.....

Instead, you keep on harping on about how armed to the teeth you are ....blah blah....

I think though that you will find that once many muslims have been killed... there will be hugh pressures both local and international (read Eurabia) for the Amerike police to take action in attempting to take the guns away from the local populace and changing the gun laws. Your administration will take at least the following steps (with hugh chunks of sorry too)

1) There will be a polite request from the local mayors...an amensty to all to just take your guns to the local police station and hand them in....

2) Gun shops will need to be wound down and closed.

3)USA wide laws will be passed to remove guns from person that way inclined.

4) Gun clubs will be closed.

5) Gun battles will indeed take place between the police and stubborn cowboys refusing to give up their guns and many unfortunates will be killed.

6) Special protection will be given by the police to muslims/wuslims.

7) Court case after court case will come out in favour of the muslim and Amerike after Amerike will be locked up or sued or both.

...these steps will ensure that the tiger in you is tamed....yout international brothers will thank you for it

never forget....this is Allah Paak's edict...prepare for sharia lite

Posted by: Naseem at November 7, 2007 12:27 PM

"Uncovered heads is a form of nudity."

...so, if uncovered heads are a form of nudity...what is actual nudity? That would be some sort of hyper-nudity, too extreme even to consider for a Muslim.

Posted by: RoobartSbunsar at November 7, 2007 12:33 PM

Stock up on your guns and ammo now, before they (the muslims or the donkeys) try to take them away from you. That civil war is coming-it's coming by way of demographics.

Fight the Good Fight and Never Surrender!

Posted by: mrockroll1969 at November 7, 2007 12:35 PM

Naseem sounds like Tokyo Rose - what a hoot!

Posted by: poetcomic1 at November 7, 2007 12:41 PM

I see Naseem is posting again. Well, just as the world did not take Adolf seriously in the 1920s and 30s, so it is the case that too many out there are not taking the Naseems of the world (and there are millions of them) nearly seriously enough. Naseem, I take you seriously and will do everything in my power to stop you and your dreadful religion, which I have come to despise, from ever holding dominance in America.

Posted by: Wellington at November 7, 2007 12:50 PM

To achieve shariazation of America, the muslim do not need 2/3 of congress etc.

You are trying to apply our standards to them!
That does not work. You need to learn to think outside of the box.

This is how islamization works:
They come in small numbers of 'oppressed' refugees first, and establish jiziya or whatever it's called in the form of welfare/social support.

They they immigrate their parents/siblings/neighbours by establishing muslim congresses, councils and other lobby groups.

Once their lives are basically established in America, they move to the areas of concentration and take control of municipalities. From that moment on, they ignore the rest of the population, send money to their lobby groups and create lots of confusion in the upper echelons of power, while themselves staying under radar and doing their dirty business of converting/brainwashing/recruiting in the mosques.

Only when it's too late, they become noticeable to the general public.

Everyone who thinks that islam is a no threat to America or that it would take forever for it to become a threat, is not understanding how islam works. It's much worse than many brave American patriots think. This is not a kind of enemy that will come out bold and march against America - this is a covert operation, insurgency, with a smile. Bravery does not work against Islam when it's not in open war - persistence and unity does!

Just like we are shutting down the cyber jihad web sites, we should be vocal, politically active, annoying to the politicians every day of our lives.

Posted by: Charles Martel at November 7, 2007 12:55 PM

Naseem, You probably never saw the footage from the Rodney King Riots. If you did you would have noticed a scene where some Korean store owners stood on the building's roof with rifles and shotguns. The police did not attempt to disarm them then and they would not do anything similar in the future. You don't know that American police officers are just as much private gun owners as are the ordinary people.

Take some Haldol and get over it.

Posted by: Pelayo at November 7, 2007 12:56 PM

Crusader said

We might joke around about words such as those...

It's not because we don't take those words seriously, it's because it's so depressing reading all the stories of Muslim violence all over the world, and it's not just violence, but the most horrible stories of torture and murder and rape, day after day. It's depressing reading the Muslim threats to increase their violence here in our homeland, and it's depressing knowing how little our leaders are doing to prevent it. It's a way to avoid internalizing the pure rage and horror of Islam, while not following the example of our "leaders" and simply ignoring it.

As Ayatollah Khomeini said, there is no humor in Islam. But there thankfully is in Dar al-Harb.

Posted by: special_guest at November 7, 2007 1:03 PM

Naseem is a fake. Please ignore him. I'm sorry to say this, but posters who respond to Naseem apprear very gullible. He is not who he says he is.

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at November 7, 2007 1:05 PM

Charles Martel: Your last post is right on target. Islamic demographics, not Islamic terror, is the greater threat. Muslim immigration to America must end but our own laws and Constitution, combined with widespread ignorance here in America about what Islam really intends, will make it deuce difficult to achieve that and Muslims know this only too well. Meanwhile, they keep coming here and mosques continue to rise across the American landscape.

Posted by: Wellington at November 7, 2007 1:06 PM

RoobartSbunsar said

...so, if uncovered heads are a form of nudity...what is actual nudity? That would be some sort of hyper-nudity, too extreme even to consider for a Muslim.

Oh, they can consider it. They spend alot of time considering it. Some posters have posted data here from the major search engines, listing search terms like "animal sex" etc., with the number of searches broken down by country. Guess which group of countries come up first on the list? Of course, I'm sure they're just studying how corrupt the infidels are, it's just for research purposes...

Posted by: special_guest at November 7, 2007 1:09 PM

Pelayo

Does "KMA367" mean anything to you? Yes or no will be sufficient to satisfy my curiosity/suspicions. Thanks

Posted by: pismopal at November 7, 2007 1:09 PM

Ynkedoodl2: Thanks for your post about Naseem. You say this joker is a fake and should be ignored. You may very well be right but why do you say this?

Posted by: Wellington at November 7, 2007 1:11 PM

Pelayo

Does "KMA367" mean anything to you? Yes or no will be sufficient to satisfy my curiosity/suspicions. Thanks

Posted by: pismopal at November 7, 2007 1:14 PM

Charles Martel, unless these creatures amend the Constitution , there will be no implementation of Sharia anywhere in the US. Otherwise, what you have stated will result in a civil war. A real civil war not like the one that took place here in 1861-'65 that one was a war between two uniformed armies - civilian casualties were minimum. The future civil war will be between civilians. Nothing like that has ever happened on US soil and it will be ugly. I I know too many wary and vigilant Americans to believe what you say.

Posted by: Pelayo at November 7, 2007 1:14 PM

Why wait for Sharia in America, when you can move to any Islamic paradise of your choice today!? Creeping sharia is your friend! Submit now.

Here are some choice countries, which would open you with shahadah open arms:

Algeria, Iran, Afghanistan, Aceh-Indonesia, Pakistan, Gaza-West Bank, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Iraq… and little Sharia states like south Lebanon, Paris banlieux, south London, Detroit, Amsterdam... and soon to be announced… Turkey!

So many to choose from it’s hard to know what to do. But why wait, when Mohammed’s paradise is here!? Allah is all wise, compassionate...

Ladies cover up, men grab four women, public stonings for your entertainment will be announced. All power to Allah!

Posted by: Battle_of_Tours at November 7, 2007 1:14 PM

pismopal, I did not know what KMA367 meant unitl I looked it up. Does that answer the question?

Posted by: Pelayo at November 7, 2007 1:23 PM

@Wellington

Because his English fluency vacillates wildly. He purposely attempts to make himself appear foreign by using terms like "Amerike" or "you womens" but then there will be something perfectly colloquial in the next sentence. People on this site have been correcting his English for years, but somehow he never learns. Yet, he's intelligent and has an excellent grasp of colloquialisms.

Best to ignore. He never responds to substance. He's a shit-stirrer who offers absolutely nothing to this site, except that he raises everybody's blood-pressure and turns up the islamophobia levels. He's a fake who gets a kick out of making us look like fools.

Ignore completely!

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at November 7, 2007 1:29 PM

Naseem said

...change is inevitable...

Only two things are inevitable, and living under sharia ain't one of them.

Posted by: special_guest at November 7, 2007 1:36 PM

Ynkedoodl2: You argued your point well and I've concluded you have the superior point of view here. I will indeed ignore this Naseem character in the future and would urge others who post here to do the same. Probably nothing would annoy Naseem more than complete indifference to him (her). Thanks.

Posted by: Wellington at November 7, 2007 1:41 PM

pelayo

Yes..thanks again. Your interest in JW is plenty enough..it was just that one of your posts made me think you were or had been once.

Posted by: pismopal at November 7, 2007 1:43 PM

And still the muslim immigration into the U.S. continues.

Posted by: Borg at November 7, 2007 1:46 PM

Naseem has been commenting for quite a while (more than a year) and her comment at 12:27 is typical of all the previous comments.

Posted by: Pelayo at November 7, 2007 1:47 PM

Pismopal ,I used to live out west and our cable TV provider supplied KTLA. We got a huge dose of what life must be like in Los Angeles. KTLA covered fires, and riots without commercials. Their coverage of the RK riots was captivating.

Posted by: Pelayo at November 7, 2007 1:54 PM

Naseem's location and gender are really not important. Naseem interests me because she/he, like many other proponents of sharia, frequently says exactly what she thinks. Contrast this with the blather you hear from most western politicians, bureaucrats, religious figures, educators, journalists, etc. Like the jihadists referenced in the article at the beginning of this thread, Naseem's frequent candor is both frightening and refreshing. It is always useful to listen to your enemy, whether it be Naseem, Tokyo Rose or Lord Haw-Haw. Effective propaganda will invariably contain at least a kernel of truth. The most instructive thing I've heard so far this month is courtesy of poster, Crusader: "If someone says that he plans to kill you, believe it."

Posted by: MP at November 7, 2007 2:19 PM

Pelayo

It might be awkward for a business to sponsor tv coverage of LA riot activity....

Posted by: pismopal at November 7, 2007 2:20 PM

In light of what some folks feel the future may bring, those JW readers/posters who are not members of the National Rifle Association should give serious consideration to joining. Firearms ownership is optional. The NRA is the single most powerful voice in defense of your Second Ammendment rights.

Posted by: MP at November 7, 2007 2:23 PM

The jihadists cannot make themselves any more clear. And although 99% of Muslims will not take action to achieve these goals, a significant percentage support them and even more would go along with it. I am reminded of Arthur Koestler's "Darkness at Noon" and especially the line, "And then would come the time of great darkness." That is what will happen if good people do not stand up to evil.

http://grizzlymountain.blogspot.com/

Posted by: GrizzlyMountain at November 7, 2007 2:24 PM

Yes, Wellington, it is possible to stop muslim immigration!

Firstly, opposition to muslim immigration has nothing to do with race.

Secondly, what does America do with the former nazi?

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/02/us/02deport.html?ex=1349064000&en=93becc4dae2254b5&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink

America deports them! The former Nazi are denied asylum and immigration.

As islam is nothing but a militant political doctrine, i.e. terrorist society, refusing muslim immigration is no different from deporting nazi war criminals.

It is in the laws of the USA, like you rightly noticed. The legal framework is already there. There is only one thing missing: condemnation of islam as a terrorist society. It's doable, just enough pressure has to be built up.

Posted by: Charles Martel at November 7, 2007 2:33 PM

nabi ZK wishes to remind everyone that "naseem" is an apologist for this...

http://illustratedpig.blogspot.com/2007/03/on-this-day-i4-o3.html

'nuff said.

nabi ZK

Posted by: zonie kafir at November 7, 2007 2:39 PM

This headline is chocked-full of some of the reasons why I hate Islam and why we need to win this war against terror. There are so many choice statements to work with, that I don't even know where to begin....

This ones a beaut: "Uncovered heads is a form of nudity....Those women who refuse may be stoned."

I don't even know what to say about this stupid piece of nonsense; and I love how women are the only ones required to cover their heads. If the first part of this statement were true -- and it's NOT -- then wouldn't an "uncovered head" apply to men as well? This is so idiotic that it makes me laugh, and I'm sorry, but Muslims are stupid idiots for believing this trash.

Lets see...

Here's another gem: "Non-Muslims cannot own land themselves."

Says who? Says some bullshit religion; that isn't even a religion, but a satanic death cult on steroids designed to turn our world into HELL ON EARTH!!!

I'm really not adding much with this post that hasn't been said before -- I'm just venting over how upsidedown and cockeyed Islam is, and we need to get on with the business of putting it to sleep. It needs to be put DOWN like a sick, rabid animal is put down. Lights out. Now we can enjoy true peace.

Posted by: champ at November 7, 2007 2:51 PM

Like I've said before, not that anybody cares to address this most prickly issue but...prove the existence of Allah independent of the Qur'an or any other Islamic text. This would validate Islam as a realistic, spiritual, social and political system as it would be in line with the one true creator of this universe.

If not, Islam is false, every Muslim a tool.

I for one totally agree with you, but I am a reasonable person. No proof, no Allah. The trouble is the Moslem world is irrational, where reason makes no imprint on them. Ask them a direct reasonable question about their so called ‘religion’, on any point, and watch them squirm and dance away from anything that resembles a reasonable answer. They are incapable of reason, except of the sly type to deceive, or kidnap and ransom, but real reason means nothing. No surprise really, since Allah is the mad imaginings of a madman, Mohammad, without any proof whatsoever.

The closest to a reasonable assumption about Allah is that, historically, it is a Pagan moon god which now lives inside the black stone of the Kaaba. But question this assumption and the only response to be expected from the Moslem mind is rage and rant. The ability to reason had been bred out of them over 70 generations of reciting and repeating absolute nonsense about their Allah, their Sharia laws, their imagined Caliphate unity of the Umma, and about the truly vile and absurd Paradise to which they aspire, a corrupt and hideous mockery of humanity all around. So yes, prove me there is an Allah, but no, there is no such thing by any reasonable standards, and that drives them into a rage. Islam is beyond hope, just a primitive 7th century ideology trying to wedge itself into the 21st and dominate by force.

Sharia and Islam’s ‘religion of peace’ should be unceremonially banned from our modern world. Give us all a rest, we’re sick of this bullcrap that thinks itself able to conquer us from within. Pure nonsense, it will never happen, but pushing it back will take up a lot of our effort and resources, because they are so thick pig-headed irrationals.

Posted by: Battle_of_Tours at November 7, 2007 2:59 PM

I see Naseem is back on the air...I thought President Gen. Mustache shut down the internet over in Pakiland?

There are plenty of sheep in this country who will follow along with whatever oppressive law is passed in the name of 'public safety'. However, there's a hell of a lot who won't.

Posted by: livefreeordie! at November 7, 2007 3:04 PM

Charles Martel: I'm with you completely on Islam being something akin to spiritual Nazism. And nothing would gladden me more than seeing Muslim immigration to America stopped and expulsion of at least some Muslims from this country. But as I've posted numerous times before at JW, as a lawyer I can assure you that Islam has all kinds of Constitutional and legal protections because it is a religion as well as a political ideology. It will not be impossible to make Islam illegal in this country but it will be exceedingly difficult to do so. And Muslims and their teams of lawyers waiting in the wings know this very well. Remember, too, that Marxism also seeks the overthrow of the American Republic as presently constituted and yet the Communist Party is perfectly legal in this country and always has been. The Achilles heel for Muslims in America is acting upon their belief system. But the belief system itself is unfortunately magnificently protected by our own laws and Constitution.

Posted by: Wellington at November 7, 2007 3:08 PM

"....it is a Pagan moon god which now lives inside the black stone of the Kaaba."

Hammer, meet black stone of the Kaaba, you know what to do.....

....and please don't forget to throw the unholy pieces in the garbage where it belongs. Thanks.

Posted by: champ at November 7, 2007 3:09 PM

americanmadestrat wrote:

So do you think you will see this on the news tonight? O'Reilly? Greta? .....uuuhhhhh....hello?
..............................

All is not lost. Aaron Klein was interviewed about his book on Hannity and Colmes last night.

from above:

Sheik Abu Saqer, a prominent Gaza-based preacher said, "American women, whether Muslim or not, must cover their hair. . . . Uncovered heads is a form of nudity."
.........................

While I'm wearing a cozy striped blue sweater--hey, it is November--I find that I'm actually nude as I type this. Down, boys!

Posted by: gravenimage at November 7, 2007 3:50 PM

Ynkedoodl2:

You're quite right re Naseem.

MP:

I think that Naseem's very candor in this regard, so Tokyo-Rose-like and unlike anything we see from any actual Muslims in the West, makes it possible that he is not actually a Muslim at all, but a non-Muslim who enjoys seeing the reaction he can provoke here by making supremacist statements. We had a fellow, "Reza," who did that here with great success a few years back. I banned him and erased all his comments, but he did try to come back more than once and for all I know, Naseem himself could be Reza, a bit cleverer for the experience. But even if not, I wouldn't trust a single thing he says as being indicative of his real views, up to and including the provocative statements about the inevitability of Islam's triumph.

Cordially
Robert Spencer

Posted by: jihadwatch at November 7, 2007 4:11 PM

champ,

Islam is the creation of the devil, period.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at November 7, 2007 4:12 PM

Pelayo,

"Charles Martel, unless these creatures amend the Constitution , there will be no implementation of Sharia anywhere in the US. Otherwise, what you have stated will result in a civil war. A real civil war not like the one that took place here in 1861-'65 that one was a war between two uniformed armies - civilian casualties were minimum. The future civil war will be between civilians. Nothing like that has ever happened on US soil and it will be ugly. I I know too many wary and vigilant Americans to believe what you say."

How true, considering there are many Americans who are armed to the teeth and will not go down without a fight.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at November 7, 2007 4:19 PM

bigcatgirl13106 -- I completely agree! :-)

Posted by: champ at November 7, 2007 4:24 PM

I just took a look at Naseem's posting and it looks like Naseem has become a Baghdad Bob or a Toykio Rose. Naseem is simply trying to push hot bottons. Ignore her.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at November 7, 2007 4:26 PM

And a good Amanpour to you, Nassem.

You said, "I think though that you will find that once many muslims have been killed... there will be hugh pressures both local and international (read Eurabia) for the Amerike police to take action in attempting to take the guns away from the local populace and changing the gun laws. Your administration will take at least the following steps … "

You must believe Muslims have cornered the market on the ability to intimidate. If our society devolves to street warfare, politicians supporting gun control or appeasement to Islamists would be the first targets. You keep mistaking our desire to live in a civil society for unwillingness to fight for that end. Besides, despite all the media hype about gun control, the actual movement is in the other direction. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry

In the situation you outline, politicians and police foolish enough to violate the second amendment, just when it was needed most, would need more "special protections" than Muslims. The controversy over police confiscation of firearms during the Katrina disaster has already caused this scenario to be examined. An administration that took the positions you advocate would have to move to Saudi Arabia just to survive. Sure, you'd have actors, a lot of journalists, some academics, and a few politicians that take your view… but the great majority of the American people, including most of the armed forces and virtually all those comprising the technological skill base the nation depends on for defense, won't be.

No doubt "Eurabia" would try to exert pressure, but at that point, who would care? A lot of us already don't care.

So, Naseem, take another hit on your crack pipe and think of another angle.

By the way Naseem, are you typing in the nude?

Posted by: RalphInfidel at November 7, 2007 4:37 PM

@Yankinwaoz
Abdel-El affirmed must be smoking some good stuff. What a bunch of nonsense. Does he really think 300 millions Americans are going to roll over and play dead? Please.

On the face of your statement you are right but as duh_swami stated its the 'vote jihad', you only need 150 million + 1. If you all have noticed the last couple of major elections it has been very close to a 50/50 split. It amazes me how that is. We are on dangerous ice and if the majority of us don't wake up a few lost elections is all that it could take.

It could get to the point, if they assumed power. That we would have to do as it says in the Declaration of Independence.

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

Now I hope it does not come to that but the possibility is there. There is one thing to our advantage. This country from the beginning has honored the true and living God, by giving men the freedom of choise. But it has always been predicated that we make the correct choise which in this PC and multicultural climate we have not.

At this time and with the limited numbers that get it like on this forum. Just keep telling, arguing and spreading the truth of the threat of ISLAM. To coin a phrase 'Islam a religious threat'.

Deu 30:19
"Today I have given you the choice between life and death, between blessings and curses. I call on heaven and earth to witness the choice you make. Oh, that you would choose life, that you and your descendants might live!

المانيا 30:19
اليوم التي اعطيتها لك الاختيار بين الحياة والموت ، بين النعم و الشتائم. ادعو السماء والارض ليشهدوا جعل لكم الاختيار. أوه ، ان تفضلتم اختيار الحياة ، ان لديك ولدى احفاد قد يعيش!

Posted by: Im.mad.as.HELL! at November 7, 2007 4:38 PM

These muslims are morons. Have they ever looked at a map? Have they ever visited North America? Do they have any idea of the size and power of the United States?

Then again, we see what's happening in Europe, where they are just giving away their countries, their history, their culture to the muslims. It seems impossible that it could happen here, but unless our "leaders" wake up, and soon, anything is possible.

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at November 7, 2007 4:49 PM

Assalamau Laikum all,

It is indeed disappointing for me to think that you feel I am faking....(that lund yankee2good shoes especially) , why would I, what is the motive for me....why would I exercise my time, effort and money (internet in Pak is expensive) to come here .....

well let me tell you .....it is Vision, "TRUTH" and dua ...those are my motives...plain and simple....I am a very honest muslima

With this magic formula I can fullfil this life and my afterlife.

Allah T'allah I believe guides me to educate the kaffur, to shine the light of Islam upon thee...and I genuinely believe that Sharia lite can lead to global peace and not "global warming" due to bombs.

I mean the sahada is simple to recite and sounds beautiful when repeated like a mantra...a beautiful glowing warmth and a calming influence over you.

I don't need to tell you about Islam....you have the eminents... Mr. Spencer & Fitzgerald for that....but let's be honest....given that these peoples are not muslims (yet) they are a bit aloof to the subject whereas I can offer a personalised passage to the light.

You may choose to ignore what I say or not respond to my postings....but you cannot ignore shariat....so listen to me and negotiate...sharia lite IS a reasonable goal...fight for it as it your children's future....and don't let Mr. Spencer tell you otherwise.

Posted by: Naseem at November 7, 2007 5:06 PM

Naseem,
Type away. You make me laugh. That's a precious gift. Thank you. You show me the comedy that is Islam. Maybe a tragic comedy, but comedy nonetheless. All about how wonderful life will be, as long as we surrender our freedom to the local imam. Thanks, but no thanks.
Just as there is no "moderate" Islam, there is no Sharia "lite". Either we're free or we're not. Stay safe, wherever you are.

Posted by: PMK at November 7, 2007 5:15 PM

RalphInfidel,

Had bookmarked the CCW article and it is refreshing to see another JW/DW poster correct Naseem with the facts.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at November 7, 2007 5:18 PM

PMK,

With postings like Naseem's, you need to have a good laugh.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at November 7, 2007 5:22 PM

"...a beautiful glowing warmth and a calming influence over you."

Otherwise known as the Invocation to Satan. Yeah, calming & warm as hell.....

Posted by: champ at November 7, 2007 5:23 PM

" shahada recited....a beautiful glowing warmth and calming influence. "
posted above
...........................

I can get that in a nice bottle of cabernet from Trader Joe's whose courtesy clerks I prefer to immams.

Posted by: pismopal at November 7, 2007 5:26 PM

Oh, and BTW, we need to decide who and what we are, declare it loudly and stand firm behind it. To be described as a "non-Muslim" is bullshit, because it makes it seem as if everything revolves around Islam. It doesn't. I am an American woman and being that and being a Muslim are polar opposites.

Right on, Isabella! I am an American who loves and respects our freedoms, who believes in Constitutional law and equal rights for all humanity. I am not:

Non-voodoo
Non-kali
Non-satanist
Non-rasta
Non-baba
Non-thuggee
Non-endoftheworld
Non-jimjones
Non-allah
Non-cult of any kind

Here is Wiki’s definition of a Cult:

“Studies of the psychological aspects of cults focus on the individual person, and factors relating to the choice to become involved as well as the subsequent effects on individuals. Under one view, an important factor is coercive persuasion which suppresses the ability of people to reason, think critically, and make choices in their own best interest.
Secular cult opponents tend to define a "cult" as a religious or non-religious group that tends to manipulate, exploit, and control its members. Specific factors in cult behavior are said to include manipulative and authoritarian mind control over members, communal and totalistic organization, aggressive proselytizing, systematic programs of indoctrination, and perpetuation in middle-class communities.”

So by extension, I am Non-muslim as well, not as a negation derived of their validation, but as a non-Cult member of any kind, especially their primitive subversive world domination war-cult. I am an American who understands the value of our freedoms by rule of law (unlike the Moslem who in his ignorance thinks freedom means ‘permissiveness’) and fully appreciate the hard responsibilities of equal reciprocity respect freedom demands. I am proud to be an American and will fight to preserve that freedom from those who in their ignorant cultism cannot understand it, and hate it.

As Hugh posted above, we must stop the flow of our recycled oil money for their Saudi sponsored mosque support system. Let them fall into paint peeling disrepair. And for Chrissake take down their ugly minarets, and do not allow under any circumstance their broadcasting that vile wailing from their loudspeakers calling the Cult to prayer. Stop the oil money and watch then fall into blight. We do not need houses of some barbaric 7th century Arab supremacist aggression-cult to trample our free American land. Stop the money, and watch them turn back into what they really are, ignorant desert nomads with an attitude.

Posted by: Battle_of_Tours at November 7, 2007 5:27 PM

champ,

What is so calming and glowing about Islam, NOTHING!

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at November 7, 2007 5:28 PM

bigcat -- Naseem has grown comfortable with the glow and warmth of Islam because it arrived here on earth expressly from Hell!!

Posted by: champ at November 7, 2007 5:42 PM

The only Jizya tax I will pay them will be in the form of lead flying in their direction.

GIVE ME LIBERTY OR I WILL DIE FIGHTING FOR IT AND TAKE A HECK OF A LOT OF THEM (Jihadist) WITH ME!!

I know what my Byzantine Greek ancestors and great grandparent went through.

Posted by: eaglecap at November 7, 2007 5:46 PM

what is hte muslim obsession with killing britney spears?

seriously, it's like reading the mind of a serial killer who observes beautiful sexy women that he cannot have and so wants to kill them.
where is the feminist outrage? what was hte point in all that "bra burning".

just a thought from a "loser" "neo-nazi" who likes to say" jew boy, paki, nig and puff".

Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at November 7, 2007 5:47 PM

eaglecap,

After reading this tripe it makes me realize now I feel a special kinship with those Christians from the east who have had to deal with the threats and horors of Islamofacism.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at November 7, 2007 5:52 PM

Allah T'allah I believe guides me to educate the kaffur, to shine the light of Islam upon thee...and I genuinely believe that Sharia lite can lead to global peace and not "global warming" due to bombs.
I mean the sahada is simple to recite and sounds beautiful when repeated like a mantra...a beautiful glowing warmth and a calming influence over you.
Posted by: Naseem

You come from darkness Naseem, and your ignorance ‘shines’ through with each post. We will never accept your primitive Mohammedan Sharia, lite or diluted to something that even comes close to our freedom of choice and natural laws. Sharia is a supremacist power control mechanism over the human mind, and it has no place in the 21st century, not even in the 7th. It was always oppressive and genocidal to all cultures which fell under its blade of conquest, even before your ‘allah’ knew what a bomb was (if he did know he never told your Mohammad), and its barbarity is totally unacceptable in today’s world. Go back into the darkness from which your ignorance springs with hope eternal that you can ‘dua’ us into slave submission of your world. We do not want it, do not need it, and will stop it in every way our God, the natural Laws of a free people, the will of the people, will stop you. You are not even amusing anymore, just a sick puppy. Sing your lovely mantra to yourself, but it sounds desperate and sick over here.

Posted by: Battle_of_Tours at November 7, 2007 5:57 PM

Naseem and her "Softer Side of Sharia" can both take a long walk off of a short plank.

~Captain Bligh

Posted by: champ at November 7, 2007 6:23 PM

Thanks, Battle of Tours. Rock on, my brother!! You are one of my heroes.

"Otherwise known as the Invocation to Satan. Yeah, calming & warm as hell....."

Champ, that was priceless!

MP said:

"In light of what some folks feel the future may bring, those JW readers/posters who are not members of the National Rifle Association should give serious consideration to joining. Firearms ownership is optional. The NRA is the single most powerful voice in defense of your Second Ammendment rights."

Absolutely correct. The NRA, and also a group called Gun Owners of America, http://www.gunowners.org/, are what stand between us and Naseem's dream of disarming us. We need to be supporting the groups that protect us with donations from our pocketbooks. We join the NRA or GOA, they know how to get the word (and the vote) out to keep our 2nd Amendment rights firmly in place.

Naseem, Naseem, Naseem. What am I going to do with you? I understand that you don't want to take me up on my invitation to a girls weekend to my favorite beach, but rest assured, my "childrens" will not be living under Sharia lite (that is just so dumb) but your grandkids will be accompanying me to the beach, in bathing suits, getting their toes done and having a wonderful time! Don't worry, they won't be wearing bikinis because I never allowed my girls to wear those while they were growing up. But we will be having pulled pork sandwiches at my favorite down south BBQ place because really, I owe it to your poor, brainwashed kids to live a little. When we get back I will take them to Mass and teach them the opening prayers in Latin (Introibo ad altare Dei; a Deum qui latificat, juventutum meam,) and how to pray for your soul and your conversion, as I do for you at every Mass I attend. Like I told a new young convert that I met after Mass last week, you're grandkids are going to love being Catholic...it's a blast!

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at November 7, 2007 6:27 PM

Isabella -- ha ha!

Naseem would be a fool not to take you up on your fun and generous offer. I've even designed a sun hat & burqa-bikini for Naseem: /:)-\\=///==:

As you can see it's a two-piece, but the bottom has an extended length so she won't need to get a bikini wax -- that might be too much for her. And don't forget to bring sunscreen, because I'm sure she'll burn easily having worn a burqa all of her life. You girls have fun!

Posted by: champ at November 7, 2007 6:48 PM

Champ,

Naseem already told me she won't come with me because she went to the beach at her auntie's house when her husband was sick and she didn't like it. Come on, can we think outside the box here? Being a native born California girl, I know a good beach when I see it. I'm sure anything on any strip of coast on either side of the U.S. would beat a trip to wherever she went before. Maybe she is just cranky because they didn't have any board fries. : ( Hey Naseem, you can have vinegar, can't you?

Ooh, yeah, sunscreen, definitely. I was lucky enough to spend some vacation time on the beach in San Clemente in August and even though I only got to sit on the sand for three days, I got really brown. I couldn't believe it because I am a sunscreen girl all the way. It's just so sunny there. Now I remember why everyone is so blonde in CA. Ha, ha!

I like your little burqa beach girl but I wouldn't count on Naseem going that far yet. Let's get her to the beach first. I'll keep an eye on her though, so nobody dumps their trash down her front.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at November 7, 2007 7:11 PM

Isabella -- sounds like we're neighbors! We don't want to say too much here on JW (for obvious reasons), but San Clemente is just north of us. Small (ISLAM FREE) world!

Gosh, with my fair Irish complexion three days in the sun would turn me into a red lobster marked "well done", so you're lucky not to burn like I do. Ouch.

"I'll keep an eye on her though, so nobody dumps their trash down her front"....good one! LOL!!

Posted by: champ at November 7, 2007 7:31 PM

Isabella,

We have a muslim population of college students here locally. One hot and humid summer day (we live in the deep South) my daughter and I saw a muslim woman wrapped from head to toe in black in a supermarket. She asked me about the womans's strange, obviously suffocating, clothing and I explained it and shared some of Nasseem's comments that she would one day in the future be forced to dress like that. What I wish...is that I had a photo of the "I don't think so!!" look on her face!
Our daughter is 15. Other than her brightly colored prosthetic leg, she dresses VERY conservatively. She understands why modesty is important, and she's latched onto the importance of true faith and freedom and honor as well. Not bad for a ex-Russian orphan!
Naseem is probably a fake, but the false 'ideals' expressed in those letters are held by so many in the world today. It's a shame they can't see and accept the truth. I guess it's simply what they don't want to see...I've got a kid here at the house who wasn't born to the concept of freedom and faith, but she's gotten the idea a whole lot better than Naseem (and the rest of islam's followers)!

Have fun at the beach! We hit the mountains this year. There's no place like the Rockies!!

P.S. One of the local muslim college kids converted to Christianity several years ago. He was baptised and joined our Baptist church!! His family was not happy.

Posted by: livefreeordie! at November 7, 2007 8:22 PM

Naseem needs to go to our local gun store that also has firearms training and count the number of womens who are in the process of getting their carry permits. Last Summer on two Saturdays, over half the students were womens.

Posted by: Pelayo at November 7, 2007 8:38 PM

Pelayo -- I've had two years experience firing a shotgun because my Dad and I used to shoot trap and skeet together when I was 18/19. It's been YEARS since I've loaded and fired a rifle, but it's probably like riding a bike. Right? Aiming/shooting at clay disks is one thing, but I could be pursuaded differently if I needed to defend myself or a loved one. OH yeah.

Posted by: champ at November 7, 2007 8:53 PM

To all who post here and hold Islam in contempt as I do, may I respectfully suggest that all of you take the advice of Ynkedoodl2 and Robert Spencer himself and completely ignore this person called "Naseem." My best to you all (except Naseem).

Posted by: Wellington at November 7, 2007 9:07 PM

Naseem:

Another 30 seconds have elapsed! You know what that means!

It's that time! Go grab a bunch of fellow Islamic cronies and KO some more poor slob unbelieving 'infidels' in the name of al-lah!

Posted by: pythagoras at November 7, 2007 9:23 PM

"The Council of Islamic Razorbacks"

Don't go to Fayetteville, Arkansas and say that.

Posted by: Pelayo at November 7, 2007 9:44 PM

"We must accept different cultures no matter how different."

Elric66:
Your multiculturalism may well lead to your beheading some day... If you are a kaffir, that is.

Posted by: never_submit at November 7, 2007 10:37 PM

Islam and Sharia will NEVER become dominant in America.

The attempt will only generate true genocide. A term that hypothetically cannot be debated. It would wbe exactly as such.

Posted by: awake at November 7, 2007 10:48 PM

"If you don't respect the local law in America, if you don't pay taxes, if you drive on a red light, aren't there sanctions used against you by your government? Of course there are and it's okay with you. Why is there a problem when it comes to the Islamic state that wants to impose its rules?"

He has a point. I sometimes would like to see those who fail to use their turn signals stoned.

Well - flogged at least.

Posted by: non-croyant at November 7, 2007 11:10 PM

Islam will never defeat the West, or any part thereof, *without our willing consent*. In terms of head-to-head confrontation they don't stand a chance. Their terrorist acts are also quite limited in scope and impact. Where they do have the ability to make inroads-- they are doing it now, visibly-- is on the political-demographic front. And we know that "politics" is just another limb of Islam.

The stateside Muslims cannot make any significant progress without sympathizers. Those sympathizers might not even be especially enamored of Islam's trappings but feel that something is very wrong with America and it needs changing desperately. Many of those on the Left find the well is inherently poisoned by a conservative tradition that refuses to die, and their fiercest vitriol is reserved for domestic and patriotic so-called enemies. But we see on a regular basis that when Muslims go into "victim" mode the liberals are swooning in PC empathy and are blind to signs and hints that would tell a thinking person that something is just a little "off" with Islam. This may stem more from a socialist hatred of "The Man" or from false affiliation with Islam as beguiling and exotic or even the "Enemy of my enemy" axiom. Whatever the reasons there are many in this country who would take the side of Muslims in any social struggle as against mainstream Americans they think are "biggoted" or "racist" because they have doubts about Islam.

So that is the most crucial dilemma we face in the United States now and in the forseeable future. A very sizeable contingent of our fellow countrymen are pre-programmed to sympathize with any *oppressed minority group*, in particular any group that has come under special abuse by the American state. I'm sure everyone here knows the type: carrying the moral code for all of humanity, and completely unbendable in their "humanist" beliefs no matter the reams of truth you pile in front of them.

Rome fell from within, remember?

Posted by: lycaste at November 7, 2007 11:32 PM

'Sorry for the delay. I just got back from combat shopping!

Champ, I think I know exactly where you are. I spent part of my time this summer at my good friend's sister's house down south of San Clemente. You can see the big rock with the peace sign on it from her deck. When I was there last year on the 4th we could see the fireworks off the pier in the distance. There's nothing like sitting at her kitchen side bar with the computer and a big cup of coffee and watching the sailboats go by while I check out JW. You have to drive past some pretty big fish and a lot of people trying to get in and see them to get back up to S.C., if you know what I mean. ; ) Ringing any bells? Anyway, I want to know how it is that the little sister that we used to babysit got the big house overlooking the beach??!!?!! What's up with that?

I could be wrong though about location. Does your hubby have anything to do with Semper Fi?

Live Free or Die,

You know, I had an Air Force wife friend who told me once that people who live in Communist countries are fine with Communism because they don't know any better. I said to her, no way, the human heart yearns to be free and people who live under oppression or in slavery know the difference. I'm glad your sweet daughter is here with us. She sounds like a peach! Have fun in the mountains. It should be snowing very soon!

Wellington,

Thank you for your concern but Naseem and I have a running feud, although I really, really do pray for her, even though I tease the crap out of her. Hugh has said that she is definitely a woman and her IP address is from a computer in Lahore, Pakistan. People who've been around here for a while know I have extended a standing invitation to take her to the beach with me because I'm sure if I could get her to the beach with the girls one time she would chill out to such a degree that she would no longer be spewing her "Sharia Lite" B.S. but would begin to extol the virtues of Coors Light, on-the-rocks Margaritas and Lemon Drop Martinis. BTW, I like your posts.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at November 7, 2007 11:57 PM

Isabella -- Ha Ha! Combat shopping sounds dangerous, so I'm glad you made it back in one piece :-)

Sure it rings some bells, but we don't live right on the beach like your rich friend does, but we're a good 20 minute drive away from the ocean.

Semper Fi? Is that the Marines?? No, my hubby has never been in the military, but my Dad was in the Air Force. My husband is a salesman -- he sells sales training programs, and he also teaches some of the classes; which is funny because he hates public speaking.

What does your husband do?

Posted by: champ at November 8, 2007 12:50 AM

Isabella,
here's a thought...
We know our beaches, right?
Introduce your "friend" to HB...rent her out a boogie-board, then let her try out "the notch".
It'll be a real...errr, splash!

*WEG*

Posted by: jcom972 at November 8, 2007 2:42 AM

Isabella: Well, it's your call with Naseem. Seems you have made something of a sport out of teasing this deeply confused individual and the thoroughly insensitive, non-hugathon, non-Oprah, completely politically incorrect side of me says I can't half blame you. BTW, I like your posts too.

Posted by: Wellington at November 8, 2007 6:36 AM

Isabella,

Glad the combat shopping went well! That sounds like something I do at a Dallas gun show...

We were in Russia in 1996. The host family we stayed with in Moscow had obviously been connected into the communist party. They had a larger sized apartment, a car, phone- a lot better set up compared to the neighbors. Peter had been a physicist; Olga a biologist; and Olga talked about her father having been a general in the Soviet air force.

They were the hardest working people I've ever met. They were given a taste of freedom, a chance to do something for themselves, and they grabbed the bull by the horns and ran! She kept house for adoptive families; he was our transportation; he worked doing electrical and mechanical for people and had a small machine shop in the apartment!
Why? Laws had changed, and at that time it was legal to buy property. They were working theirs butts off to buy a piece of land (about 1/2 acre) and put up a small house. It was near a place their son could fish. It was a place they could garden and then save the produce.

Whether it is the Nazi, Communist, or Islamonazi's the only reason they can stay in power is by keeping a crushing pressure on people all the time. Oh yeah, such movemenets are often come into play by "popular revolution", but as history has shown reality doesn't live up to expectations- and once they're entrenched they're damned hard to get rid of. Whether it's what you own, where you work, or how you think, or the color of your underwear and length of your beard you're at their mercy. No freedom of ANYTHING in any shape form or kind is permitted. I've seen the results of that, and it is truly heartbreaking. We weren't created to be someone else's slave.

What you've said is so true: the human heart desires to be free. That's how God made us!! Olga and Peter, raised under the communist system and 'enjoying' it's benefits', jumped at the chance to be free. They knew better. I'd gladly give them some land if they wanted to be my neighbors.

Take care! Your posts are great- keep working on your stubborn 'friend' in Pakistan.

Posted by: livefreeordie! at November 8, 2007 8:56 AM

Good morning guys!

Combat shopping is when you absolutely, positively have to get something new to wear for a business seminar the following evening and don't have time to go look for it the morning of. It consists of taking copious amounts of clothing into the dressing room at one time so that you don't have to go back out again. I did have to venture out into the wild of the Misses department several times but finally won the battle. Thanks for all your support!

Champ,

Ahh, let me just say that the rich friend's sister, who has been my closest friend since we were in 2nd grade at Catholic school, is currently living and working in Oceanside. Their mom lives in Vista. So I hear ya'. I hope you weren't effected too badly by the fires.

Oh yeah, I have been a single gal for many years but once upon a time I had a husband who was a pilot in the Air Force. I am Catholic so I had my one shot at marriage, so I don't have a beau. But don't feel sorry for me because, honestly, my kids are grown, I like my life the way it is and I'd rather fight jihad.

Jcom 972,

Well, I have school friends who live out thata' way, but I've never experienced "the notch" myself. Are you familiar with "Killer Dana?" It isn't there anymore since the Dana Point Harbor went in back in the 70's but my brother used to shoot the curl there in the 60's and 70's. And about Naseem, don't get me wrong, I don't want to hurt her, just indoctrinate and convert her, ala (not Allah,) Ann Coulter!

Wellington,

I love your name! It's so British-military I-mean-business. The reason I spar with Naseem (and I'm sure Champ does too,) is that she is a spew and run sort of girl and to the unenlightened or new Jihad Watcher, she may appear to speak with some authority. This is utter poppycock and I like to use some levity to pull the rug out from under her. She may or may not believe what she says but the effects of her prescription would be devastating, especially for me as a woman, if she and her band of merry jihadis were ever able to put their plans into place. There are people checking in here for the first time who might get depressed if they read her "You're all going to become Muslims!" crap and don't understand the history behind her posts. So I just make sure that she doesn't get too big for her britches, everyone laughs and the effects of her words are somewhat neutralized. (Although I must say, I firmly believe that if she came to the beach with my girlfriends and me she would become a new person. THAT'S a prescription for what ails her.)

Live Free or Die,

Totally understood. My family has always been very anti-Communist because it punishes people for not following the party line and negates our God given right to a freewill. It is such a joke when people compare Communism to Christianity. Puleeeeeeze! Christianity might make you feel guilty for doing something that is against the the Ten Commandments, but nobody is going to kill you for it. (For those who site killing abortion doctors, please provide names and dates of those harassed or killed. If you are honest it will take you about 45 seconds to read off all five of the doctors who were shot at or killed.)
Christianity infuriates those who were brought up Christian but don't want to live that way anymore. I think that has to do with the guilt, otherwise why not practice what you preach and live and let live? Naw, it doesn't work that way, because sin is real, and according to St. Alphonsus Ligouri, everytime someone commits a sin it negatively impacts every human being who lives in the world. So I think that people that have embraced a lifestyle where sins are freely committed and the negative impact is ignored, there is still that icky feeling when they do it and rather than give up the sin, they seek to eradicate what they think makes them feel bad. But I submit it's not the church that makes them feel bad, it's their own guilty conscience. If they were successfully able to eradicate the church from the planet they would still feel like garbage. I think that's why practicing Muslims are so irritable all the time.

Fast forward to a Totalitarian system. People are artificially subdued by it, everyone has to watch everything they say, or they risk being betrayed by big brother who is watching, including loved ones, which I think would be particularly hard. A person living under that form of government is very much alone in the world. And imagine being alone and living in darkness. What kind of hell would that be? What kind of hell is it and has it been? And what kind of insanity is that?

I worked with a guy who came from Russia back in the early 80's at a restaurant where I was waitressing and he was one of the cooks. This guy drank a lot of soda and when I asked him why he said it's because in Russia people could only buy one soda every few days, I guess because they just didn't stock then like we do. He also told me that in order to make a phone call to a relative outside the country you would have to call on a Tuesday to reserve the time to call later in the week. Someone would call you from their version of the phone company, or maybe it was the government, and let you know if and when you could make the call a few days later. He told me a bunch of stuff like that, most of which I've forgotten, but those two incidents stayed in my head. Could you imagine living like that? I guess I can, but I don't want to, hence, I fight against jihad.

I gotta' go. Everybody have a great day!

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at November 8, 2007 11:15 AM