I discuss the third point: “To call upon the government to create a just and lasting peace…” What could be wrong with that? Plenty, actually: it amounts to a threat: change your policies or face more terror attacks

Good points as always, but I wonder if those running the UK and the EU for that matter suffer from the Whorhol effect -- style and the superficial over depth and reality.

In other words, as long as the jihadists are slowly and methodically sawing through your neck while parroting the politically correct nonesense such as that recited above; then their hateful murders and supremist goals are perfectly acceptable.

Perhaps the jihadists aren't the problem after all? No, the problem is with the purblind and stupid political leaders bent on empowering the otherwise weak jihadists, at the expense of Western Civilization.

It's maddness and insanity from the top that is at the core of the problem; the rise of the islamic threat to the rest of us is perhaps merely a symptom of a much worse disease within.

Posted by: witness at November 19, 2007 9:18 AM

Blackmail is one point. Another is that a word in Islamospeak has a different meaning from what is interpreted by non-Muslims. "Justice" in Islamospeak involves devaluing the stories of non-Muslim peoples and ignoring competing claims. Israel is the primary example, as Muslim spokesmen ignore Jewish historical rights, ignore the immigration of Arab Jews into Israel, and ignore the loss of Jewish property owned in Arab countries. "Innocent" is another word that has a ummah-centric meaning, as does "terrorism."

Islamospeak expresses a worldview incompatible with democracy, and the reasons extend beyond simple intimidation.

Posted by: StillBreathing at November 19, 2007 9:20 AM

Peace and justice are not obtained by blowing things up and beheading people. Muslims should encourage that word, 'peace', but they better 'duck and cover' at that word 'justice'. It applies to them also.
Allah is fixing them up with plenty of 'justice'.
Justice is more than a tool to balance out wrong doing. It is not on the side of the scale with 'mercy'. Justice is with 'severity', on the other side. Allah may be 'merciful', sometimes, in some respects, but overall, he is severe, mean 'spirited' even. So the severity of 'justice' in Islam, is not balanced with mercy, it reflects Allah's mean spiritedness, that some people have associated with evil. Allah's justice is reflected in Sharia, and his promise of eternal punishment for certain people. This kind of 'justice', will not lead to peace, but it will lead to fear. Compliance by fear.
This is what 'peaceful' muslims want to share with us. In reality 'Shahada' destroys peace, so that only Allah's justice remains. Shahada/peace are oxymoron's. They can't exist in the same time space, at the same time. Islam has little to do with peace, but lot's to do with 'justice' of the severity type. So the whole idea of Islamic 'peace and justice', is based on self serving taqiyya.
There is no real 'peace' involved here at all...

Posted by: duh_swami at November 19, 2007 10:31 AM

For many Muslims, "justice" does not mean a fair system of deterring and punishing wrong-doing. Rather, "justice" means a system of Sharia law.
So, when they say there can be no "peace" without "justice" they mean that unless you submit and live in the house of Islam, you will be in the house of war, and will be a target.

Posted by: Karl2 at November 19, 2007 11:36 AM

Once you get used to the code it's automatic: justice = sharia, peace = submission to the will of Allah.

Posted by: Beagle at November 19, 2007 11:45 AM

"How Muslims in Britain plan to end terrorism"

By all of them leaving the country?

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 19, 2007 12:14 PM

@duh_swami

. . . on the other side. Allah may be 'merciful', sometimes, in some respects. . .

I would argue that Islam is completely without mercy. What I see is Allah only shows mercy to those that submit. This is giving a reward not mercy. The 2% of the Koran that calls for feeding the poor could be construed as merciful, but note that it is only to Muslim poor are to be feed.

Case in point. Bangladesh has been hit with a cyclone. Many nations are offering aid. But I have not heard of one Islamic nation stepping forward (could be wrong). And Bangladesh is primarily an Islamic nation.

So they don't even have the first clue what mercy means. Much less practice it.

Romans 11:29-32
For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience, even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy. For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.

الرومان 11:29-32
للهدايا وداعيا الله لا رجعة فيها. لمرة واحدة كما كنت عاصي الى الله ، لديها بعد ان حصل على رحمة من خلال العصيان ، وحتى هذه أيضا وقد تم الان عاصي ، ان طريق رحمة انك اظهرت انها ايضا قد يحصل على رحمة. من أجل الله وقد

Posted by: Im.mad.as.HELL! at November 19, 2007 1:24 PM

Am glad for those who believe that overcoming Islamic terrorism (and the ideology from which it springs) is a religious obligation. We see the obligation in evangelical support even for Guliani, the multiply married man who accepts abortion rights, or for Romney, the Mormon whose record on right-to-life is weaker than others.

Posted by: StillBreathing at November 19, 2007 3:12 PM

Britain should be careful about the tricky language the Muslims use to advance their terrorist faith. Otherwise, Britain is likely to face the fate of India. The Indians have been a fooled lot (but for some rare really intellectual exceptions) ever since Islam landed here.

It should be remembered that the Koran is a terrorist manual written trickly in a "religious language".

Posted by: proud-hindu at November 19, 2007 11:30 PM

"How Muslims in Britain plan to end terrorism"

...they do?

Posted by: RoobartSbunsar at November 20, 2007 6:13 AM