Sounds like he is only sorry because they are losing

Posted by: Elric66 at November 19, 2007 3:37 PM

OPERATIVE PHRASE:

"IN OUR ERA"

This has to do with saving Saudi bacon from Al Qaeda. This has nothing to do with jettisoning the concept of setting up a worldwide Caliphate. Just leave it 'til later.

Are we supposed to be impressed with this?

Posted by: Morgaan Sinclair at November 19, 2007 3:43 PM

Elric66:
Sounds like he is only sorry because they are losing.

Depends on who "they" is. If you count just the direct jihadist participants, then sure.

But if Western governments are obsessed with radical jihadists and meanwhile let vast numbers of Muslims into Western countries to permanently stay, then no. We are losing. The governments think they are nicely moderate, when we all know here in JW the real damage. The governments are confused. We are losing.

Posted by: UK Infidel Lover at November 19, 2007 3:49 PM

Elric66:
Sounds like he is only sorry because they are losing.

Depends on who "they" are. If you count just the direct jihadist participants, then sure.

But if Western governments are obsessed with radical jihadists and meanwhile let vast numbers of Muslims into Western countries to permanently stay, then no. We are losing. The governments think they are nicely moderate, when we all know here in JW the real damage. The governments are confused. We are losing.

Posted by: UK Infidel Lover at November 19, 2007 3:50 PM

jihad in our time has caused more damage than benefit

More damage to whom? Whose interests is he worried about being damaged? I doubt he's concerned about us kaffirs. He's worried about the "fervent young people" who end up in Guantanamo or dead.

Posted by: special_guest at November 19, 2007 3:52 PM

"... many have disappeared without a trace, and others end up at Guantanamo."

Is the word "durura"? And yes, if we could now end Islamic immigration, we would avoid long-term, multi-generational pain.

Posted by: StillBreathing at November 19, 2007 3:57 PM

UK Infidel Lover,

Good point. The legal and demographic jihad is where we are taking our bigges loses.

Posted by: Elric66 at November 19, 2007 4:15 PM

"Sounds like he is only sorry because they are losing"

He IS only sorry because they're losing...they've gotten their asses handed to them, mainly because their intel (5th column here-wackodemia, MSM etc)
proved fatally flawed.
(Now if we can only purge the #1 problem of political correctness, replace it BACK with it's absolute opposite, common sense, and the domestic front problems will ALSO start to be solved).

This sheikh isn't fooling anyone, save his own people.
This is a veiled general withdrawal order on his part.

Posted by: jcom972 at November 19, 2007 4:22 PM

Waging jihad NOW is a mistake but knowing how prone to violence and subjugating kafir the adherents to the most noblest act(jihad)are they'll continue on their zombie like quest, but rest assured, we can count on politicians setting islamophobic kafir straight...

Posted by: eloivsdiablo at November 19, 2007 4:40 PM

"jihad in our time has caused more damage than benefit".

Unlike jihad in centuries past where jihadists took over large swaths of Europe and Asia? Then it was more benefit than damage, which made it acceptable, huh?

"He said that of some of the fervent young people who go to wage jihad [in Iraq] without permission from their families and without knowing for sure what situation prevails there...end up at Guantanamo."

The implication is that they should have received permission from their parents and known exactly what they would face (meaning they knew they would win) and then everything would be okay.

This guy's "condemnation" of jihad has more holes than a piece of Swiss cheese.

Posted by: PMK at November 19, 2007 4:58 PM

Judging by the popularity polls the arabist media tried to put out (MORE negative now than even after 9/11 tells the tale) in he US, it doesn't look like they're succeeding at all.
We're just more quiet about it...because we can afford to be...we're heavily armed.

Posted by: jcom972 at November 19, 2007 5:01 PM

Without a trace?
So they haven't gone to heaven when they have killed themselves then?
Oh dear, back to the instruction book.

Posted by: Ken CleanAirSystem at November 19, 2007 5:05 PM

jcom,

You're right; have a superior arsenal, and the will to use it, if necessary--that's the ticket. And distinguish friend from foe--that's trickier.

The MEMRI site is a (frighteningly) facinating window on Islam. Where else do you learn about the "Egyptian Front for the Struggle against Domineering Women"? Probably frightened of having their tails handed to them by another Golda Meir or Indira Gandhi; ditto Thatcher.

Now, if Hillary gets in, we'll need to start an American affiliate here.

[Sexist jokes to follow.]

Posted by: John C at November 19, 2007 5:32 PM

Yes, it is just a little too soon, isn't it? Just a little too soon, possibly, even in Western Europe, for those who insist on violent Jihad, Jihad "by the sword," when the Saudis and others were doing so well without that violence, doing so well by quietly spending $100 billion dollars in only the last 2-3 decades (in comparison, during the 79 years of its active life, the Soviet Union spent a grand total of $8 billion on propaganda to spread the Soviet Revolution abroad), to build and then maintain some 50,000 mosques, to build and then maintain madrasas, to bribe imams to hew to the Wahhabi line, to pay for aggressive and relentless campaigns of Da'wa all over the Western world, carefully-targetted to the psychically and economically vulnerable, including prisoners alienated from the circumambient society, youthful students willing to believe anything their nice (Pakistani, Saudi, Egyptian, "Palestinian") classmates or roommates are prepared to tell them about Islam and Islamic "grievances" against the West, Amerikkka, Israel, you name it), and others, including the odd (very odd) John Walker Lindhs and David Hickses and Richard Reids and Yvonne Ridleys, of ridiculous memory.

And this new awareness of what Jihad is all about, of what Islam is all about, once it spreads, is merely a genie out of the bottle. For the Saudis, even the Saudis, cannot rent enough Western hirelings to hide forever the content of the Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira. They cannot pay enough to distract us all, to hide from us all, what is on Saudi television and radio (see that brilliantly-conceived site, www.Memri.com, that deserves the support and gratitude of every Infidel in the Western world), what is the content of Saudi sermons, what is written in Saudi textbooks and used in Saudi "acadmies" even, one knows, in a certain Saudi academy within a suicide bomber's walking distance -- on a good day -- of the White House and the Capitol.

Yes, Osama Bin Laden peaked just a little too early. He might have held off, and so might the others, held off from the bombings and mass killings in the capitals of the West, in Washington and New York on 9/11/2001, in Moscow, and in London, and in Amsterdam, and in Madrid,and in Bali, and New Delhi, and in southern Thailand, and of course in so many other places that a map of the world placed on the wall would be full of little colored pins stuck in for each discrete attack, planned or carried out, and I'm not even bothering to include the attacks on the Infidels in Israel, who are simply the first to have suffered from the modern Jihad, but are not alone in being the intended victims, who include all those who choose to resist the spread of Islam, so that it everywhere dominates, and Muslims rule, everywhere.

Now would be a good time to start talking openly of seizing Saudi and other Arab assets in the West. Now would be a good time to make clear that the Al-Saud, each resembling the other in their sinister daggers-and-dishdasha tribal dances (don't be fooled by the gravelly-voiced, well-spoken Abdullah -- behind the Western veneer of these people are deeply and permanently primitive minds, minds rendered primitive by the brainwashing that Islam - see Wafa Sultan, see Ayaan Hirsi Ali, see Ibn Warraq -- provides from an early age, and reinforces in a way that the most dedicated member of the Party or the NKVD could only dream about.

Rattle the Al-Saud, and keep them rattled, until they withdraw, until they re-sheathe, that Money Weapon. And the same goes for the denizens of the unhappy Emirates, with their racehorses and their odious skycrapers, including that ridiculous Dubai that is a blend of Orlando and Las Vegas, at their most vulgar, a Big FunFair and Shopping Mall, with the only continental touch being the well-stocked brothels for every conceivable taste of the Arabs (and Iranians) who come to enjoy themselves in the only way that those who have no artistic or intellectual interests -- and a bought-and-paid-for succursale of some Western museum or Western university fools no one -- can possibly find enjoyment.

Posted by: Hugh at November 19, 2007 5:52 PM

This is encouraging because it has a defeatist ring to it. I love it when a jihadi disappears.

Posted by: jewdog at November 19, 2007 5:55 PM

Saudi Sheikh: Jihad In Our Era Is A Mistake

The whole thing reminds me of Tom Hagen's objections (to Sonny) about hitting one of the other families in the Godfather. The timing wasn't right.

Posted by: Frank at November 19, 2007 6:05 PM

"Saudi Sheikh: Jihad In Our Era Is A Mistake"

Notice the Sheikh didn't say it's immoral, it's a "mistake."

Posted by: rational at November 19, 2007 6:15 PM

For me, it was echoes of the Nuremberg Trials, where it became obvious the nazis on trial put on a show of sorrow, but only because they didn't win, not for what they did at all.

They got intel from faulty sources before 2001
(they thought we'd fall because some buildings did),
they didn't account for our change in policy (offensive vs. defensive),
they didn't account for our resolve
(pissing us off wasn't wise),
they didn't account for our dislike of them,
(our dislike for them was huge BEFORE 9/11, and is even more so today),
they failed to "know thine enemy",
they based their expectations on what we'd do by what THEY'd do if in the same position,
and they made every classic military blunder in the book.

Most of all, they found out, the hard way, our bark was NOT worse than our bite after all...and they have their asses on a platter served back to them to prove it.

Posted by: jcom972 at November 19, 2007 6:20 PM

So, if jihad had caused more benefit than damage, he'd be OK with it? Same old same old. Islam seeks domination of the world, only the strategy is really a mater of debate for Islam's true believers. The problem for the rest of us continues, which is what the hell to do with Mo's crowd, who are so annoying and repugnant in so many ways. How can any sane non-Muslim not be fed up with Islam by now?

Posted by: Wellington at November 19, 2007 6:34 PM

add one more to the list:

They failed to understand the change at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
They thought the Black Hawk Down America of the 1990s was the one that would respond to 9/11.
Not that the current occupant is a great prize, but who would have bet in January of 2001 that Saddam would be pushing up posies?

Posted by: PMK at November 19, 2007 6:41 PM

Now would be a good time to start talking openly of seizing Saudi and other Arab assets in the West.
by Hugh

Haven't we dug ourselves in too deep for this? Not just the dependence on oil (many suppliers) but we have created this international trading system and supranational courts that monitor trade and arbitrate differences between countries. If we're willing to upend the system, won't a lot of other countries join the fray? Do our leaders have the desire to mess with the multinationals that would suffer as a result?

There was a logic to trading with allies and refusing to trade with adversaries. Those were the days. Those days are gone. Politically drawn trading blocs went out with the Cold War. We wanted interdependence and we got it.

Posted by: PMK at November 19, 2007 6:50 PM

Hugh,

"Yes, it is just a little too soon, isn't it?"

You've called it correctly; maybe only a generation too soon.

We need to be sure the "fervent young people" are taking their Ridlin from now on.

Posted by: RalphInfidel at November 19, 2007 7:00 PM

Hugh:

A "BAIT and SWITCH" scheme on a massive, unprecedented scale--but of ideas, not tangible goods.

Too bad, for them, bin Ladin jumped the gun; we know from history that terror merely stiffens resistance. Should've practiced selective targeting of those already demoralized.

O! To hear an echo of Adm. Yamamoto's rueful words, "I fear that all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a TERRIBLE RESOLVE" God speed the day!

Posted by: John C at November 19, 2007 7:21 PM

Uh huh. With Al-Qaeda in Iraq despised by locals, and threatened by Shiites, al-Awdah changes his tune. I recall the 5 years that he and al-Hawali spent in a Saudi prison for attending the Ayatollah's annual jihad conference.

What a fraud. Once an as-Sahwah madhist, always one.
http://www.islamtoday.net/english/library1.cfm

Posted by: supercargo at November 19, 2007 7:21 PM

jcom,

I think the Sheikh is calling for a tactical retreat. Softening-up of their enemy preparatory to stealthy advance or opportune offensive goes on.

Posted by: John C at November 19, 2007 7:36 PM

Timing seems to be everything. Boo Hoo for you. Pay back is a...

Posted by: flowerknife_us at November 19, 2007 7:48 PM

"Ridlin"
-- from a posting above

Ritalin.

I wouldn't leave home without it.

The pharmaceutical company that makes Ritalin may wish to reward me for this spontaneous bit of Product Placement. I won't stop it. Yes, by all means do. A nice check or Postal Order can be sent to me, via Robert, one that will hardly make a dent in your quarterly earnings statement. No one need even know. And besides, I need to get my car out of hock and get some stuff fixed around the house. So Novartis, get with the program, or I'll start endorsing those generic methylphenidates, or perhaps -- still worse -- come out against such medication altogether.

Posted by: Hugh at November 19, 2007 8:26 PM

it is a tactical statement. leaders of muslim brotherhood have also said that conditions are not ripe for sharia in egypt. on a lighter note - saudi sheikh is going to deny all these young men making out with 72 virgins. could somebody please tell me how many virgins reside in heaven and how did they all get there.
cheers

Posted by: swimmer at November 19, 2007 8:37 PM

I think this is EXACTLY the POV which Islam needs to adopt in order to join us in the modern era.

All Muslims have to do is accept that the violent jihadist saying in the koran and haditha applied only to the era of the prophet and no longer apply now that he is gone.

Now that he is gone these urgings must be interpreted figuratively.

IOW: they explain and describe what he did then to win territory and converts THEN, and not what Islam and muslims must do today to win the same today.

If Islam cannot do this then it cannot truly join the modern world, IMHO.

If they adopt this as a sort of hudna then it's meaningless.

Posted by: reliapundit - the astute blogger at November 19, 2007 8:56 PM

Hugh,

How can you be a corporate shill without being a recognized visage--maybe it's time you emerged from the shadows and stepped out front, out from behind Robert. Heck, if it's anonymity you want, at least market an identifiable logo associated with you--you know, like that wierd emblem denoting [the Artist formerly known] as Prince?

Posted by: John C at November 19, 2007 9:16 PM

Sounds like it could be a nice set up for a joke:

A funny thing happened on the way to the jihad...

Posted by: Wimbledon Womble at November 19, 2007 10:05 PM

"... many have disappeared without a trace, and others end up at Guantanamo."

Hey, what kind of jihad is it if there's no struggling, just grievance theater? I'm totally reassured now.

Posted by: Emerson Twain at November 19, 2007 10:14 PM

"could somebody please tell me how many virgins reside in heaven and how did they all get there."

Not sure how many virgins reside in sex heaven, but I'm of the opinion that these are really demons dressed in drag -- guess allah will get the last laugh.

Posted by: champ at November 19, 2007 10:24 PM

The good sheik said, "... that of some of the fervent young people who go to wage jihad [in Iraq] without permission from their families and without knowing for sure what situation prevails there, many have disappeared without a trace..."

Ya, but not nearly enough.

Remember, what he means by 'waging jihad in Iraq' means killing American soldiers. So I'm not exactly feeling sorry for the poor missing, fervent young people or their families who taught the young killer lies in the first place.

Guess there's a consequence for hating the real God and following after demonic lies....hate to say it, but told ya so, lost little muslims.

Posted by: angryeagle at November 19, 2007 11:30 PM

High oil prices have the beneficial side-effect of inducing us to conserve, but for that they're not high enough yet. We need the government to force us to conserve more oil than prices require. What if we took all this money we keeping dumping into the Iraq war and invested it in high-speed rail and new light rail for places like metro LA? What if we raised MPG on our passenger vehicles (including SUVs, Hummers and the like) to Japanese levels? What if we covered the plains states with wind towers? The Saudis would hate all that.

Posted by: sceptico at November 19, 2007 11:36 PM

What if the whining liberals would let us build about 20 more refineries?

Posted by: angryeagle at November 19, 2007 11:48 PM

He said that of some of the fervent young people who go to wage jihad [in Iraq] without permission from their families and without knowing for sure what situation prevails there, many have disappeared without a trace, and others end up at Guantanamo.

....suggesting, meanwhile, that the rest of the fervent young people who go to wage jihad [in Iraq] with permission from their families and knowing for sure what situation prevails there, and have returned alive....their jihad wasn't as much of a mistake.

Posted by: yadayada at November 20, 2007 2:39 AM

"...many have disappeared without a trace, and others end up at Guantanamo.

Source: Al-Mustaqbal, Kuwait, November 19, 2007"

....ok, dhimmis and leftists....here you have a direct admission from a Muslim who knows....Gitmo actually has Muslim Jihadists and terrorists locked up, not the "innocents" you keep harping about....

...ban Muslim Immigration...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at November 20, 2007 6:04 AM

"I think the Sheikh is calling for a tactical retreat. Softening-up of their enemy preparatory to stealthy advance or opportune offensive goes on."

Posted by: John C at November 19, 2007 7:36 PM

It wouldn't surprise me one bit, though it still sounds more like the simple ass-handing wound-licking...had it been a withdrawal to reconsolidate for a renewed offensive, they would've gone to complete blackout without comment.
Still, it's consensus to remain on guard, even if it does turn out to be nothing at all.
(i.e.= better to be on guard & it be nothing than to not be on guard and end up another Pearl Harbor, TET, etc).

We already know about islamist plans for the ME, so being on guard is a given anyway.

Posted by: jcom972 at November 20, 2007 9:40 AM

In this day and age ISlam cannot hold up to the scrutiny the free flow of information allows, they will have to shut down information they the jihad can continue more aggressively

Posted by: GrennBeck at November 20, 2007 10:14 AM

Posted by Hugh;

"...perhaps -- still worse -- come out against such medication altogether."

No "Ridlin", no "Ritalin", none for the West.

Posted by: RalphInfidel at November 20, 2007 11:01 AM

'jihad' in the military sense isn't even needed becuase the demographic and political correctness jihad are more important anyway.

Posted by: zaphodbrx at November 20, 2007 12:25 PM

Dissapeared!? Taking the express Train to Hell is more like it. All Aboard! Take a seat, any seat, the Train is long and seats are begging to be filled.

We should force the Saudis to pay us protection Money. Who else is there to protect them if we pull the Rug out? Iran??? Egypt???

100 Billion would be a good down payment. More if they want to keep playing with our Whores and Booze. If not, then they need to stay Home. Stay Pious in their own Sandbox.

Posted by: flowerknife_us at November 20, 2007 4:32 PM

...and pound it.

Posted by: jcom972 at November 22, 2007 9:01 AM