...certainly the tip of a very large iceberg.....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at November 20, 2007 6:47 AM

New book says that all our perceptions of Muslims are false. Title: "Islamphobia: Making Muslims the Enemy." Author: Some A-hole.

http://www.wesleyan.edu/newsletter/campus/2007/1107islambook.html

Posted by: supercargo at November 20, 2007 7:08 AM

Just the other day, some official close to the case was quoted as saying how they didn't think Ms. Prouty had passed any information along to the enemy. I wonder how the official feels about all that now?

The enemy's job is to infiltrate the best they can. Here they obviously succeeded big time. Like the rest of you, the aspect that blows my mind is wondering HOW this was all missed. To me, it doesn't seem likely to have happened by sheer chance. If it's possible to ferret out the whole rotten chain of events and participants I suspect the list of people involved will run long and deep.
This is the reason I always encourage people to prepare themselves for future strikes against this country. I simply do not see the people at the top doing their jobs very well. There's most certainly plenty of window dressing under the 'homeland security' label that has messed up rights and priviledges for law-abiding American citizens, but as far as securing our nation...I just don't see that much has happened.
Pray, plan, and prepare for yourselves and your families. You can't afford to be caught short when things get bad.

Posted by: livefreeordie! at November 20, 2007 7:44 AM

"...formation of a greater Arab state, including Lebanon, Syria, Israel, Cypress..."
-- from the article by Debbie Schussel quoted above

One might defend "Cypress" as a reasonable cy-pres interpretation of "Cyprus."

But that would result in a sad Cyprus.

And "sad Cyprus" might, in turn, be defended by some as an acceptable cy-pres interpretation of "sad Cypress."

And that would make Shakespeare mad.

But go ahead if you must. Just for fun. Rev up the old commodius vicus, that unstately phaeton, and go back and forth on the train-tracks of thought.

Season to taste.

Posted by: Hugh at November 20, 2007 8:00 AM

And of course the "National Socialist Party" in Syria does not exhaust the list Nazis in that country. They are all over the place. There are the domestic variety, the ones goosestepping down the avenue (without a single thing to do) to show their Ba'athist firmness, the same kind of baby nazis who appear in films of the old regime, films showing boys and girls demonstrating their loyalty to Hafiz al-Assad (father of the current dictator) by biting off the heads of snakes -- the same kind of thing that Saddam Hussein enjoyed, as when his most loyal supporters would stab themselves, to express in the only way they knew how their deep loyalty to the regime, and to make literal that figurative phrase, such a staple of Muslim Arabs, that we support you "with fire and blood, O (Saddam Hussein, Hafez al-Assad, Yassir Arafat, Gamal Abdel
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Then there are all the aging Nazis, for Syria, like Egypt, welcomed real, German Nazis with enthusiasm. And in both countries they did not live quietly, avoiding attention, but were given important government positions. Many, like Johann von Leers, became Muslims -- indeed, had always had a fondness and an admiration for Islam, as did Hitler himelf. Nasser appointed many to work in his secret police. In Syria, under every regime, the war criminal Alois Brunner continued to serve. The West German (now German) government has tried to have him extradited. The Syrians will never give him up. He may still bealive and well in Damascus.

You can judge the moral basis of that regime, or of any regime, by those it protects. For decades the mass-murderer Idi Amin, who had become a Muslim, lived in luxury in Saudi Arabia, with assorted wives and hangers-on. The Nazi war criminal Alois Brunner lived in Damascus, and was given a high security post, and the Nazi war criminal Johann von Leers lived openly in Cairo, and was given an important post by Nasser.

Go ahead. Judge.

Posted by: Hugh at November 20, 2007 8:13 AM

it's interesting that the information on this woman's family was easily available; but the greater challenge is .... what of people who come from places that can barely be investigated? Or people for whom the foreign State has created new paperwork, including paperwork that says "Christian"?

Posted by: StillBreathing at November 20, 2007 8:40 AM

"They shoot horses, don't they?"

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at November 20, 2007 8:55 AM

StillBreathing, what is the State Dept being open about screening out arabic-speaking Christians now?

/sarc

Posted by: eve_anne_gelical at November 20, 2007 9:12 AM

Nazis in the woodpile?

Is it politically correct to say that Nazis are bad people?

Posted by: tanstaafl at November 20, 2007 9:21 AM

I can tell you one thing: FBI is NOT authorized to gather international information, but are obliged to trust what comes from CIA, State, INS, and foreign agencies through their Legats...those who have the authority to gather information overseas.

This is frightening - I wonder they will do to her sister now. I think she should be taken down for her crimes as well, especially as a commisioned officer?!?!!?

Oy. I am JUDGING.

Posted by: Miss_Anthrope at November 20, 2007 9:55 AM

I may not be the only one who thinks that there may be a sexual angle to this "female spy" story. One doesn't need to be psychic to sniff that out. Entry standards in every organization are frequently lowered by the dispensation of sexual favors. This is a pathetic story that does not speak well for our security and law enforcement organizations.

Posted by: pismopal at November 20, 2007 10:06 AM

If her getting into sensitive employment is a plot of some kind, I am not so much interested in how it began, as I am on how it was accomplished. I saw an add in the paper for a two hour a week janitorial job that required a background check, locally, and by the Justice Dept, finger prints, a driving record print out, a credit check, a drug test and three local references. 'Two hours a week' was not a typo.
All that just to clean toilets for two hours.
And this woman in a highly sensitive job slips through? She probably could not have got a job as a Janitor in the Justice Dept...Because of the high standards expected of janitorial excellence, her application would have been rejected. Well, it's good to know that some sub-department, (janitorial), of the Justice Dept is up and running properly.
I suppose the CIA has it's own janitors, but their identities remain unknown, for security reasons. It may be that CIA agents do their own janitorial work because no janitor, no matter how qualified or creative, can pass the CIA janitor screening test. Perhaps if they had given Prouty the same security examination they use to screen out less than trustworthy janitors, they would have caught all this prior to hiring her. One thing for sure, you won't find many muslim janitors. Cleaning toilets is a job for infidels, and even most
infidels won't do it. The ones that do, are unsung hero's, but not likely to pass any tests given by the Justice Dept, or CIA, unless it has to do with janitorial proficiency.
The ability to clean JD/CIA toilets, and keep your mouth shut about it is important to national security. Only janitors that can meet those qualifications need apply. Prouty would have flunked the janitorial test. All they had to do was tell her that she would have to clean her own office toilet for security reasons. If she balks or flinches, she is not the one for the job...

Posted by: duh_swami at November 20, 2007 10:14 AM

I wrote Jeane Macintosh, who wrote the MSM story and chided her that the fact that the husband, Gordon Prouty, works for the State Department. Here's her response with some more tidbits (Spinelli is the Marine Corps officer sister of Nada Nadim Prouty) :

We did that story Sunday-- the reference got cut in today's story, though. Along with other tidbits. Such as, Spinelli lied to the FBI for Prouty not once, but twice. And the less important, but ironic, fact that Spinelli is a runner who participates in the Marines' annual Beirut Memorial Run, honoring the 241 folks Prouty's sister's husband's alleged Hezbollah buddies blew out of those barracks a few years back.

Posted by: Jabba the Tutt at November 20, 2007 11:37 AM

shiva - just been reading through the list.

An awful lot of hit-and-runs by Muslim perps. Does anyone know how many hit and runs were done by non-Muslims of any description, black white or yellow, during the same period? Just going by those cases that came to court, it should be possible to compile a comparative list, since Muslim personal names are completely distinctive. You'd get one or two false negatives, where a convert to Islam was still going by their non-Muslim name, but on the whole, you'd be able to work it out.

It's an interesting exercise to rewrite the reports so that it isn't simply 'black' versus 'white' or 'Asian' versus 'white' but using 'Muslim' and 'non-Muslim' as the primary designators of criminal and victim - viz., 'black/"Asian"/white Bosnian Muslim Mohamed so-and-so' ATTACKED/ KILLED/RAPED 'white non-Muslim John Doe'.

Speaking as the wife of a statistician, I would like to see how these cases compare in number to cases involving non-Muslim-on-non-Muslim, or non-Muslim-against-Muslim.

And - how do the NON-MUSLIM 'asians' (Hindus, Sikhs, Chinese) or NON-MUSLIM 'blacks' (Afro-Caribbean Christian-background folks), stack up? For example: how many hit-and-runs involve HIndu Indian drivers as opposed to Muslim drivers of whatever background? My own guess would be that there would be significantly fewer Hindus, say, as opposed to Muslims, engaging in violent criminal acts.

Another triangulation would be to look at known and proven crimes involving Jewish victims (all the way from vandalism of Jewish graves, synagogues and businesses, to attacks upon the person, hit and runs, etc) and find out what proportion of the perps were Muslims as opposed to non-Muslims.

Again: has anyone been talking to the Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Chinese, black Christians, all the non-Anglo NON-MUSLIMS, to find out whether and how they've been attacked by Muslims? They don't figure in the victim list above (which is not comprehensive, I assume?) but surely they must also be suffering at the hands of freelance jihad raiders. They are certainly targeted by Muslims, back home in India, Thailand, Indonesia, Malaysia, Nigeria, etc etc etc.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at November 20, 2007 4:40 PM

Apologies to all - my posting above was meant for the 'D C Watson' thread re 'hate speech', in response to a posting by 'shiva' listing Mohammedan attacks on non-Muslims in Britain.

Moderators: feel free to remove it from this thread where it doesn't belong; I have re-posted it in the proper place.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at November 20, 2007 4:47 PM

Miss_Anthrope: Ms. Prouty's relative who also entered into a sham marriage to get citizenship is now liable under the Universal Code of Military Justice for fraud. Now, I do know the Navy Judge Advocate General's Office is very averse to prosecuting women for ANY reason because of the bad publicity of Tailhook.

After all, one of the instructors at the US Naval Academy was a prostitute working for the DC Madam Deborah Jeane Palfrey and she got no punishment, just a transfer.

I am TOTALLY flipped out because of Nadim Prouty being offered a plea deal of six to twelve months for spying during wartime. She should get Life without parole... or worse.

My take is that Nadim Prouty has so infiltrated the FBI and CIA that if this went to trial, many embarassing aspects of the VERY DEFICIENT security vetting apparatus of the FBI would come out in public. So the FBI and CIA would rather circle the wagons and cover it all up.

Utterly disgusting.

Posted by: Thomas Carney at November 20, 2007 7:32 PM

My take is that Nadim Prouty has so infiltrated the FBI and CIA that if this went to trial, many embarassing aspects of the VERY DEFICIENT security vetting apparatus of the FBI would come out in public. So the FBI and CIA would rather circle the wagons and cover it all up. Utterly disgusting. - Posted by: Thomas Carney

Interesting and yes, I agree this is utterly disgusting.

It might also help explain who is responsible for the FBI policy of deeming every domestic case of 'sudden jihad sydrome' as 'not related to terror'.

Posted by: justamomof4 at November 20, 2007 8:02 PM

I've quoted you and linked to you here: http://consul-at-arms.blogspot.com/2007/11/re-fbicia-hizballah-spy-has-terrorist.html

Posted by: Consul-At-Arms at November 21, 2007 2:28 AM

The CIA is an enemy-aiding Trojan Horse within the US government, fifth columnists who should be put on trial. Instead, we pay billions of our tax dollars to those criminals every year, and allow them unlimited access to all the most sensitive national security secrets of this country.

Ruslan Tokhchukov, EnragedSince1999.

Posted by: Enragedsince1999 at November 21, 2007 7:58 PM