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November 26, 2007

"Youths" rioting again in Paris suburbs

"A brother of one of the dead teenagers, Omar Sehhouli, said the rioting 'was not violence but an expression of rage.'" Right.

Omar Sehhouli. Typical French Catholic youth, I suppose. Note the non-specifics about the perpetrators, and the frequent recourse to passive voice.

"Riots break out in Paris suburbs," from the BBC (thanks to all who sent this in):

Youths have damaged police stations, shops and cars in two Paris suburbs, following the deaths of two teenagers whose motorbike hit a police car.

Police said 21 officers were injured in the rioting in the northern suburbs of Villiers-le-Bel and Arnouville.

The Villiers-le-Bel police station was set ablaze and another in Arnouville was pillaged, police say. At least seven people were arrested.

The violence - reminiscent of riots in 2005 - lasted for more than six hours.

In 2005, the deaths of two youths in nearby Clichy-sous-Bois led to France's worst civil unrest in more than 40 years.

Clashes broke out on Sunday night after two teenagers - aged 15 and 16 - were killed when the motorcycle they were driving collided with a police car.

Police sources said the two were riding a stolen mini-motorcycle, and that neither was wearing a helmet.

The police car was on a routine patrol and the teenagers were not being chased by police at the time of the accident, police said. The collision wrecked the front of the car and smashed the windscreen.

Burning cars

Witnesses have accused the police of leaving the scene and of preventing local people from trying to help the youngsters as they lay in the road. The brother of one of the victims has called for the officers involved to be convicted.

After the accident, dozens of youths went on a rampage, setting the police station in Villiers-le-Bel on fire, ransacking the Arnouville police station and torching two petrol stations.

Riot police were sent to the area, but youths blocked their way with burning cars.

French media report that the rioters also damaged the Arnouville-Villiers-le-Bel railway station and nearby shops.

The mayor of Villers-le-Bel, Didier Vaillant, appealed for calm and said he would ensure there was "an impartial investigation, for full light to be shed" on the accident.

A brother of one of the dead teenagers, Omar Sehhouli, said the rioting "was not violence but an expression of rage".

Posted by Robert at November 26, 2007 8:46 AM
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Anyone still thinks Islam has a place in the West?

Posted by: Elric66 [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 26, 2007 9:04 AM

Never ever EVER identify the "Youths" as Islamic.

That's not allowed. Even though, of course, *everyone* knows the "Youths" are Mohammedan.

Posted by: darcy [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 26, 2007 9:13 AM

It just shows how poorly-assimilated the immigrants are in France. If this had happened in the U.S. the families of the "youths" would just have hired some shyster lawyer on a contingency basis, and sued the manufacturer of the motorbike for selling an unsafe vehicle, and sued the police for negligence in placing their vehicle in front of the motorbike in a dangerous manner, and filed the suit in the courts of one of our more litigation-friendly states. There would have been an out-of-court settlement for a few million dollars, the lawyer would have taken his third, and everyone would have been happy.

Posted by: ebonystone [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 26, 2007 9:15 AM

"A brother of one of the dead teenagers, Omar Sehhouli, said the rioting "was not violence but an expression of rage"."

I feel rage over what is going on here in Europe. Does this mean that it would be OK for me to "express" this in no uncertain terms?

Posted by: anti-uffe [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 26, 2007 9:17 AM

Even the local police chief suffered injuries to his face as he tried to negotiate with the rioters

But of course this was not vilence but an expression of rage. Maybe their definition of violence is killing people.

The new president of France has said he will have zero tolernace for these acts of ah? ah? expressions of rage.

Posted by: Mackie [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 26, 2007 9:22 AM

And so it was that the dying Liberty, cradle of modern democracy – bastion of individual freedom, laid in a pool of its own blood uttering feebly reassuring words to its betrayed citizenry: “all is well…….all is well ……..nothing to worry about………all is well” just a few disturbed "youths" all is well.

Posted by: descendantofacrusader [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 26, 2007 9:31 AM

"If this had happened in the U.S. the families of the "youths" would just have hired some shyster lawyer on a contingency basis, and sued the manufacturer of the motorbike for selling an unsafe vehicle,"

ebonystone: Above

Funny you should make that analogy. I had a friend who manufactured his own bicycle wheels. A young boy was riding a bike with his wheels on it at night with no light and he ran a stop sign,was hit by a car and critically injured. Since the bike had been put together with different manufactured parts, the investigators could find no names of manufacturers on the frame except on the wheels.

A trial lawyer sued my friend for ten million dollars on some trumped up basis that there must have been some deficency in the wheels. The trial lawyer did lose the case but the legal fees were enormous and thankly the insurance company paid off.

Posted by: Mackie [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 26, 2007 9:35 AM

That's a very naughty motorcycle... Colliding with a police car all by its own volition...

Posted by: Vagn Henning [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 26, 2007 9:37 AM

Just a bit of information one the bike, it was one of those mini-moto things and they stole it.

And now we have the typical Muslim lies:

Witnesses have accused the police of leaving the scene and of preventing local people from trying to help the youngsters as they lay in the road.

So if the police left the scene (to flee a lynch mob), how on earth did they prevent the local people from helping the two as they lay in the road? I suppose we should expect a typical Muslim answer to that little question?

What is the betting for a few nights rioting now?

Posted by: Daffersd [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 26, 2007 9:40 AM

"A brother of one of the dead teenagers, Omar Sehhouli, said the rioting "was not violence but an expression of rage"."

Sura 9:14/15: "Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you to victory over them, heal the breasts of the Believers, and still the indignation of their hearts..."

All the violence was perfectly justified to "heal their hearts," you see. And the "youths," of course, are blameless, because it was Allah who was really doing the "punishing by their hands." And, of course, these peaceful, tolerant, and noble folks wouldn't even have thought of burning shops and cars if Allah hadn't put that idea in their heads in the first place. So, it's not their fault, as it never can be.

How nice. How convenient.

Posted by: Stendec [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 26, 2007 9:43 AM

Repeat after me:

"(Islamic perpetrated) violence is NOT violence: It is merely an expression of rage... Therefore OK?.......hmmmmm. Yeah, I got it.

No wonder they are hopeless.

Posted by: n.a. palm [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 26, 2007 9:46 AM

I'm waiting to see how Sarko responds to this latest provocation from the fifth columnists. It will be very telling in terms of what to expect from his gov't.

Posted by: omvi [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 26, 2007 9:58 AM

The report I read stated they where between 12 and 13

Here are Pix

http://illustratedpig.blogspot.com/2007/11/fucking-disgraceful-reporting-from.html

Posted by: shiva [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 26, 2007 10:43 AM

Seems that there is a certain word missing more and more from news reports concerning violence and aggression against the west by a certain faction of people these days


"MUSLIM"


i guess that word is off the table now. now they are Youths , people, individuals etc etc


wouldn't want the public to hear the facts and the truth now would we?

Posted by: MoBlows [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 26, 2007 11:00 AM

Daffersd, I was going to ask the same question you did. How could the police have prevented the boys from being helped if they were not there? You would think that they would have lying down to a science by now and not have any loose strings left, but I guess they are so stupid that they never will get it right.

Posted by: one of the chosen people [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 26, 2007 11:15 AM

According to TF1 (French television station):

[translated from the French]

"During the riots, 25 police officers and a fireman were injured - 2 of the police seriously. 28 cars, 4 buildings and a police transmitter were burned. The police station at Villiers-Le-Bel was set on fire and the one at Arnouville ransacked.

[...]

Other damage included a gas station and two shops set on fire. The railway station at Arnouville-Villiers-le-Bel was closed as a precaution following the damage caused to it - similarly several shops nearby were closed for the same reason.

[...]

The motorcycle, which had been travelling at high speed, had refused to give way to the police car, which had right of way. The police car's flashing lights were not active at the time.

[...]

The president, Nicolas Sarkozy [currently in China], commented that he wished that everyone would remain calm and leave the investigators to determine what happened."

See:

http://tf1.lci.fr/infos/france/faits-divers/0,,3634392,00-deux-ados-tues-responsabilite-policiers-ecartee-.html

No mention of either the "I" or the "M" words.

Posted by: watling [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 26, 2007 11:28 AM

Why aren't the primitives angry at allah? These thugs stole a motorbike and had a tragic accident that killed them. They collided with a police car so natually the police are to blame, even if the police just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. It appears to me that in France, muslim rioters, thieves, and thugs are free to pursue criminal activities with impunity and the only outrage occurs when they kill themselves during the commission of a crime. Their recklessness and stupidity, not to mention lawlessness, are completely ignored. What insanity!

Let's see how the French handle this one. I have a feeling it will end with the usual mea culpas from the French authorities and more pusillanimous appeasement of the muslim savages. I've been thinking about moving to France and opening a chain of automobile dealerships in heavily muslim-infested cities. It's bound to be an extremely lucrative business.

Posted by: Susanp [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 26, 2007 11:31 AM

Yesterday at a station in the Paris suburbs a 23 year-old woman was found dying on the track. She had been stabbed about 30 times in the chest, neck and face. A man was found alive nearby, also suffering from knife wounds. He is the chief suspect at the moment.

See:

http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualites/2007/11/25/01001-20071125ARTFIG00108-agressions-mortelles-dans-le-rer-d.php

Someone commented on the TF1 story (about the motorcycle fatalities) to the effect that the deaths of two youths riding dangerously who were - based on what is known so far - the authors of their own demise, provoked a riot, yet the murder of a woman did not.

Perhaps more would be done to reduce violent crime if there were street protests every time it happened.

Posted by: watling [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 26, 2007 11:56 AM

I saw that Watling, I wondered if it was an honor killing, but as they do not say who the woman was it could have also been one of the many Muslim rapes in France. I will keep my eye out on that story.

one of the chosen people, you would think that they would get the lying perfected by now, but methinks they are too eager for getting into physical jihad.

Watching TF1 tonight will be interesting, its dark now in France, so I would guess that the riots will have started by now.

Posted by: Daffersd [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 26, 2007 12:05 PM

This will happen again and again unless the French do something. The next riot should be suppressed using any means necessary, in order to send a clear message.

Posted by: Jesus Christ Supercop [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 26, 2007 12:11 PM

Jesus Christ Supercop:

This will happen again and again unless the French do something. The next riot should be suppressed using any means necessary, in order to send a clear message.

That is partly why Sarkozy got elected, yet his only comment I am aware of is "remain calm".

Regarding these new riots, someone commented on TF1:

C'est fou !!! Nous n'avons pas voté Sarkozy pour voir à nouveau ça.

i.e. "This is crazy! We didn't vote for Sarkozy only to see this sort of thing happening again."

If Sarkozy does not send a clear message to the rioters then this sort of thing will indeed happen again ... and again ... and again.

I wonder if the Sarkozy-voting Le Pen supporters have any regrets yet?

Posted by: watling [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 26, 2007 12:22 PM

Wonder what sort of event would have to occur before the French police shoot back?

Posted by: MP [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 26, 2007 12:22 PM

Watling I have faith in Sarkozy in that he will tell the police to get a grip and restore law and order, they moved very quickly to say this:

Marie-Thérès de Givry, qui a déclaré lundi après-midi à la presse que trois "témoins" entendus dimanche soir avaient confirmé "la version des policiers".

In other words Marie-Thérès de Givry after lunch declared to the press that three winesses interviewed Sunday night confirmed the police version of events.

Tonight will be interesting to say the least, the Muslims have been waiting for their excuse for sometime, while the police have been so careful not to do something that could be seen as wrong, if the Muslims riot at this point I wonder how strong Sarkozy will be, I have my fingers crossed...

Posted by: Daffersd [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 26, 2007 12:32 PM

Bonjour Mes Amis:

Bienvenue a Palestine en le Siene.


Posted by: 11B40 [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 26, 2007 12:48 PM

If they're expressing (their words) "rage", then obviously the French are doing it RIGHT.

Posted by: jcom972 [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 26, 2007 1:16 PM

One was a black Muslim from what I can see on France 3 news, the parents are calling for calm, witnesses have said that the police were not to blame and that the police checked if the youths were dead and left for hospital once they realised that the youths were already dead.

40 police have been injured, 2 seriously and guns were used by the rioters.

I have seen no news yet of any follow on riots or copy cat riots, but the media are not likely to report them.

The woman knifed to death on the RER D was a Frank or Gaul (to keep LGF happy) I do not know about the attacker though he has had previous convictions for rape with aggression.

Posted by: Daffersd [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 26, 2007 1:45 PM

... Colliding with a police car all by its own volition... by Vagn Henning

The way reporters write stories, that thought is not too far fetched. I have heard this kind of language several times. Recently here, a teenager was critically injured in a one car accident. The talking head on TV stated that the car went out of control and hit a tree. She did not say that the driver lost control.

Cars and motorcycles have minds of their own; they can go out of control at any time and they love to hit trees.

Posted by: Pelayo [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 26, 2007 2:10 PM

...Allah hates Muslims.. he causes them to suffer poverty, hate, and death.....

Posted by: exsgtbrown [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 26, 2007 2:42 PM

I had a professor who once remarked that "civilization is not the product of conscience, but the product of law".

Law equals civil order.

This type of behavior is that of "tribal justice" (insulting both tribes and justice) in that it demands revenge upon those who damage your tribe. Vendetta and vengance.

It is the actions of the uncivilized in the face of a society to far advanced for their comprehension.

If you can't follow the rules, get out of the game.

It's time to deport.

Posted by: tanstaafl [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 26, 2007 2:45 PM

Per n. a. palm

"Repeat after me:
(Islamic perpetrated) violence is NOT violence: It is merely an expression of rage..."

---------------------------------------

Well, if you look carefully, "Islamic perpetrated violence" doesn't count as violence, not really (at least not to Muslims), because it's just "how things are done" wherever Islam is in flower. Standard Operating Procedure. Nothing to take note of, nothing needing correction, no reason to pay more attention to these little "expressions of rage" than to the fact the sun rises in the east each morning.

Ho-hum, another day, another riot. I have a great idea, let's have France bring more of them into their country!

Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 26, 2007 3:19 PM

I had a professor who once remarked that "civilization is not the product of conscience, but the product of law".

Strange professor, huh. Did this prof think that laws came out of thin air? Did the law makers stumble over the laws in the woods?

Laws are the product of conscience.

Posted by: Pelayo [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 26, 2007 4:50 PM

"Yutes Gone Wild!"

"Car-B-Que, 2007!"

(And it's not even spring break in Daytona.)


So much for Liberte, Egalitie, Fraternitie.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 26, 2007 6:41 PM

Conscience can manage without "laws" (conscience is in its own way a set of laws).
Laws wouldn't even exist without conscience driving them.

I had a very similar professor, too...we got into it about who more provides/protects our laws-
the politician, or the soldier.
Drove him CRAZY, too...lol

Posted by: jcom972 [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 26, 2007 6:41 PM

The Big Coward West is terrified of "the rage of the Arab masses". This is why the "yuts" use every excuse to display "rage" and make the dhimmies cower even lower before them.

Ruslan Tokhchukov, EnragedSince1999.

Posted by: Enragedsince1999 [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 26, 2007 8:51 PM

"...Allah hates Muslims.. he causes them to suffer poverty, hate, and death....." -- exsgtbrown

LOL! That is the best explanation I've seen yet explaining the "success" of Islam.

As to the "youths":

I saw this reported on Fox News earlier this evening. Just seeing that it was "youths" in France, that they were rioting and burning cars, and that they had burned a police station, there was no doubt in my mind that they were Muslim youth.

If these youths had just driven their stolen motorcycle into a wall, like the side of their mosque, their accident would have been explained as "inshallah." But, since infidels were somehow involved, it provokes rage.

Posted by: Bad_Attitude_Infidel [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 26, 2007 10:16 PM

Intifada, Euro-style. Wake up, Europe, before it's too late.

Orwell, though, would be much amused and appalled, at the same time. Youths means North African immigrants (some young, others not so young) in France. Asians means Pakistanis in Britain.

Euphemisms serve no purpose. They just degrade the language, while creating another eye-rolling opportunity. Everyone with a brain knows what a "youth" is, particularly when rioting, in France.

What next? Since it's the Religion of Peace (or RoP, which is not trademarked, by the way), it's not a stretch to envision "peacemakers" as becoming the euphemism for "jihadis," or, given other recent news, "bride" becoming a euphemism for "stupid wanna-be jihadi."

So in the near future, a news article may read:

"A group of youthful brides were arrested when their bridal registry indicated that they were involved with some Asian peacemakers. Police say that it was fortunate that the bride and groom had not yet picked up the peace offerings. since it would have turned the wedding into a real blow out."

Posted by: Wimbledon Womble [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 26, 2007 10:39 PM

A group of youthful brides were arrested when their bridal registry indicated that they were involved with some Asian peacemakers. Police say that it was fortunate that the bride and groom had not yet picked up the peace offerings. since it would have turned the wedding into a real blow out."

Posted by: Wimbledon Womble at November 26, 2007 10:39 PM

Very good and funny! Political correctness has reached a level of utter asininty and people are sick of it. The news media have turned ordinary vernacular into farcical word puzzles with their ridiculous euphemisms. I can understand why more and more people are cancelling their newspaper subscriptions. You need a dictionary of politically correct euphemisms just to figure out what the hell they're talking about.

Do they really think their greats pains to obfuscate are not noticed?!

Posted by: Susanp [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 26, 2007 11:16 PM

Susanp said:

"Do they really think their greats pains to obfuscate are not noticed?!"

It's been noticed by anyone who reads the articles. There is not one person in the world who reads an article like the BBC's above and does not know what "youth" signifies. But people in the West have a huge level of PC indoctrination, even many on the so-called right, and people in the West are jaded and cynical. It may take a lot to get people riled enough to start to say, enough is enough, this doublespeak is feeding the problem. By that time, the intifada may be in your neighborhood, though. As France burns, the French paper of record, Le Monde, has an article on this recent (continuing) fracas and calls them "jeunes" (youths), so maybe even that is not enough.

http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0@2-3224,36-982816@51-982356,0.html

Posted by: Wimbledon Womble [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 26, 2007 11:32 PM

I said months ago this nonsense would erupt again unless the regular army or French Foreign Legion was brought in and used overwhelming force.

The military needs to be given an open and unfettered sway to erase this cultural cancer.

The govt should not worry about how they look to the world and bring in the military to ruthlessly crush and crunch these welfare-sucking muslim maggots.

It is funny the muslims dont do this anywhere in Germany as they know those people (and the Danes) WILL NOT take it lying down.

A few dozen Marder AFV's, snipers, several battallions would squash any jihadist uprising in Germany.

When will the French learn that pacifism will not defeat aggression?

What is the point of a large army if they dont use it?

Do any of you know how the Saudis, Syrians, or Algerians would react to an insurrection if occuring inside their borders?

There are some things that can be learned from muslim regimes.

Posted by: Hungarian Crusader [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 27, 2007 12:12 AM

I just looked at the AP article on these riots. It noted that they were similar to riots in 2005 "in poor neighborhoods with large minority populations", and that they took place in a suburb with "a mix of Arab, black and white residents." That's as close as the article comes to identifying the rioters. So maybe they were poor Jews, or Polish plumbers who couldn't find work. Or maybe not.

Posted by: ebonystone [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 27, 2007 12:24 AM

ebonystone said:

"I just looked at the AP article on these riots. It noted that they were similar to riots in 2005 "in poor neighborhoods with large minority populations", and that they took place in a suburb with "a mix of Arab, black and white residents." That's as close as the article comes to identifying the rioters. So maybe they were poor Jews, or Polish plumbers who couldn't find work. Or maybe not."

Everyone knows what the the doublespeak of "youths" means. It makes no sense, at this point, except that it allows the editors of news agencies to feel more comfortable that they will not be called "racistes" or be sued.

Of course, in the end, as history shows, this kind of duplicity just makes the public more cynical and angry, so once the public blows, it will blow bigger.

News organizations and the Euro and American PC establishment are basically just building a big dam and allowing water to accumulate without any outflows. What happens when the pressure of that huge column of water reaches to the top of the dam? Will the dam stand up or be washed away, leading to flooding and chaos downstream?

Posted by: Wimbledon Womble [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 27, 2007 12:31 AM

Robert Spencer said in the original post:

""A brother of one of the dead teenagers, Omar Sehhouli, said the rioting 'was not violence but an expression of rage.'" Right."

Actually, "Monsieur" Sehhouli is quite correct. It is an expression of Muslim rage. Just like the Palestinian Days of Rage. Violence is daily life for Islamists. Rage is what you do on special occasions.

Posted by: Wimbledon Womble [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 27, 2007 12:41 AM

i would be interested in hearing a few statistics on car sales and insurance costs in these areas...


as others have said, expect the french to nothing besides chopping up their ship for firewood, while at sea.

Posted by: VooDooChile [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 27, 2007 3:41 AM

I am an anti-Jihadist, but even then I can not also just say Muslims, but what happens is that the Muslims in these areas are the leaders in violence and drug dealing, so they control the others non-Muslims who seem themselves as part of the area.

The criminality of these people is also an issue, which is re-inforced by the Islamic supremacy aspects and their own inflated opinion of themselves. They won't do normal work , because that is beneath them, and they are useless at it anyway as most of them have chosen not to accept education, they are unemployable except for menial jobs, so Islamic blame the Kufir gives them a feeling of togetherness against the Gauls who are keeping them down.

They are of course infiltrated by the Jihadists who of course always will use the criminal element to create chaos in infidel lands.

The factors making these areas difficult prior to 2005 are not just Islam, but Islam is a major part of it.

After 2005 the Islamics see great opportunities to use these people as foot soldiers and cannon fodder to weaken the French state and there is a lot of recent information on guns being smuggled into these areas.

Sooner or later they will have to be met head on, perhaps Sarkozy is the man to do just that, but like many I will believe it when I actually see it, for now as John Bolton put it Europeans continue to speak with a soft voice and hold a big carrot.

Posted by: Daffersd [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 27, 2007 4:27 AM

Latest news from Le Monde [translated from the French]:

About 60 police were injured, including 5 seriously, during rioting at Villiers-le-Bel and in the surrounding areas following the deaths of two youths riding a mini-motorbike. Their deaths are currently being treated as an accident.

There are fears that things could escalate as they did in 2005, when two youths being chased by the police were fatally injured in an electricity substation.

One of the five injured policemen was apparently hit in the shoulder by a pellet from a shotgun.

The Louis Jouvet de Villiers library has been completely detroyed by fire. Several dozen shops and restaurants, and a tax office were also partly destroyed. Sporadic acts of violence occurred between small groups, who threw stones and other objects at police.

According to official sources, about 60 vehicles were burnt out, including one police car. Car and dustbin fires were also reported at Cergy, Ermont, Goussainville, Fosses et Argenteuil.

At Sarcelles, the police were confronted by about 50 youths near a car dealership. The police said they had been effectively drawn into an ambush there.

[...]

The Prime Minister François Fillon made it known that he had telephoned the parents of the two dead youths to extend his condolences and to assure them that everything possible would be done to discover the truth about what happened.

Posted by: watling [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 27, 2007 5:37 AM

Think 'Turnspeak'!!!

Turnspeak

http://www.geocities.com/media_maccabee/Turnspeak.html

Turnspeak
Turnspeak involves taking an incident and then turning things around 180 degrees in order to justify the event. A good case is the PLO attacks on Israel that they justify by saying that Israel is occupying Palestinian land. The PLO formed in 1964 and the land they refer to was not in Israeli hands until after the 1967 war. The PLO could not have formed to fight Israeli occupation when the land was occupied by Jordan and Egypt at the time.

Turnspeak can also be a case of taking the actions of self defense by one side and claiming them as the cause of the attack. E.g. Imagine someone starts wildly punching at you in the street and you hit them back thus giving them a black eye. If that person points to the black eye and claims that as the reason for the fight, then that too is turnspeak. This form of bias then gets backed up by selective ommission and distortion of facts to create a picture that is very difficult to battle.

Eg. Take our previous example of being attacked in the street. You are asked the question, "did you give that person a black eye?" The minute you answer that in the affirmative, you are already guilty in a medium that survives in quick sound bytes and punchy headlines.
Back to Spotting Media Bias

Turnphrase
This form of bias is one of OZ Media Maccabee's discoveries and a favorite one of ours. It involves the order of events in a phrase. When people read a statement in a paper, they tend to take that as fact until they read some type of qualifying statement. If that statement comes at the end of a sentence, then they have absorbed the claim as fact first. If a qualifying statement comes at the begining of a sentence then they are forewarned and tend to treat what comes next with a sceptical mind. Compare the two phrases below because these are typical of the reporting we have found in the Australian mainstream press.

#1. Israeli soldiers killed two Palestinian children who were innocently playing in their backyard, a Palestinian spokesman claimed.

#2. According to Israeli sources, the children were killed while playing with a landmine planted by Hamas.

The first statement is first absorbed as a fact before we read the qualifying statement and therefore has already been absorbed as such. The second statement is qualified first and therefore treated as a claim when we read it. Most people are aware that first impressions are the ones that tend to stick.

Posted by: amalteser [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 27, 2007 5:38 AM

I forgot the link:

http://www.lemonde.fr/web/depeches/0,14-0,39-33372042@7-37,0.html

Posted by: watling [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 27, 2007 5:38 AM

That should have been:

"One of the five seriously injured policemen was apparently hit in the shoulder by a pellet from a shotgun."

Posted by: watling [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 27, 2007 5:46 AM

A shotgun?...in France no less????
(ok, everyone already gets that big clue so no need to expand on that one)

If that happened in the US, that's attempted murder of a police officer...a CAPITAL CRIME no matter who did it.
(cop killers here rate the level just above that of child molesters)

Posted by: jcom972 [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 27, 2007 7:30 AM

"Seems that there is a certain word missing more and more from news reports concerning violence and aggression against the west by a certain faction of people these days ..."

THis happens in the Sydney Morning Herald (Fairfax, Australia) too.

Tim Blair runs a blog wherein he often runs the SMH article reference alongside the police report extract. The SMH always leaves out the words "of Middle Eastern appearance" from the suspects' description.

Posted by: carpediadem [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 27, 2007 11:34 AM

they start rioting in France, right in timeline with the Annapolis conference...gee, what a co-ink-a-dink!

Posted by: jcom972 [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 27, 2007 4:54 PM

Connection alert!!!!

Yesterday this site posted an entry about the UNC jihdist. Who says:

Under “Reasons for fighting in the cause of Allah,” he cited verses 14 and 15 of sura 9, explaining that fight was “to release anger and rage from Allah’s followers’ hearts.”

To release anger and rage is a reason for fighting in the cause.

From the French riots:
A brother of one of the dead teenagers, Omar Sehhouli, said the rioting "was not violence but an expression of rage".

there's the rage word again as an "expression". Now you tell me those dots don't connect.
Is that jihad or intifada? Aka "struggle"

Posted by: jusa [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 27, 2007 11:44 PM

France needs to round up all these immigrants and deport them immediately. Let them carry out their jihad somewhere else.

Posted by: Kalyson [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 28, 2007 5:40 PM

France needs to round up all these immigrants and deport them immediately. Let them carry out their jihad somewhere else.

Posted by: Kalyson at November 28, 2007 5:40 PM

Ditto. As in their own Islamic countries.

Get out of the West, Mohammedans!

Posted by: darcy [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 28, 2007 8:13 PM
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