Feeeeeelings....oohhhhhh....Feeeeeelings...

Condi should have been a grief counselor for bereaved pet owners. The platitudes and non sequitars and mush are beyond belief.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at November 29, 2007 2:13 PM

Pretty soon, it will be Europeans who will be compared to the blacks in the segregated south.

Posted by: Voltaire at November 29, 2007 2:17 PM

Political currency in the West is victimhood.

Political currency in the Middle East is strength.

Rice cannot comprehend the difference. She believes her own lies.

Posted by: pez at November 29, 2007 2:18 PM

I am so.......stunned, I guess is the correct word, by her comparison that I honestly don't know to say. At one time I considered Ms. Rice to be a reasonably intelligent person, but she obviously lacks even a fundamental understanding of the situation in Israel. I just cannot believe that anyone would make that comparison and voice such a statement.
We are doomed.

Posted by: livefreeordie! at November 29, 2007 2:18 PM

Condi,

When we become able to change the color of skin by changing what we believe and how we act, I'll be able to take your argument seriously. In the meantime you make a mockery of the progress we've achieved together in the United States when you equate mindless racism to a calculated ideological doctrine.

Posted by: RalphInfidel at November 29, 2007 2:22 PM

The only Rice that's of any use is the kind found on a dinner plate. The one masquerading as a Secretary of State is an embarrassment, one that gets worse every time she opens her mouth with her Oprah-like pronouncements.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 29, 2007 2:23 PM

This woman makes me want to puke.
It is the PC/multiculturalist equivalences crap that tells us all cultures and people are the same. They just want a job and food for their kids. Right..and a bullet for a Jew.
Just like Rudy Guiliani, Bush and company were at the right place at the right time on 911 for the momemnt. Since then they have all proved their 910ishness.

Posted by: TheOmegaMan at November 29, 2007 2:28 PM

Her life's performance as the Good Girl, the one who practiced the piano, and then did everything dutifully, if never brilliantly, all the way up to her time as graduate student of Madeline Albright's father, has not been sufficient to allow her first to recognize that there was something new, something especially worrisome, that she had a duty to learn about, and that something was Islam, and furthermore, her even less talented boss has no idea what the actual texts and tenets of Islam are, and if neither one knows them, they have missed the "core issue" of the Lesser Jihad by the Muslim Arabs (with some islamochristians permitting themselves to be used to promote this Islamic cause): the Core Issue is the worldview of Islam, according to which Believers and Infidels are in a state of permanent war (if not always open warfare), and it is the right and duty of Muslims to engage in a struggle, or Jihad, to remove all barriers to Islam, to the dominance of Islam, and of course, as part of that, to enlarge Dar al-Islam until it swallows up, little by little, all of Dar al-Harb. And furthermore, high on the To-Do list of Islam is the recovery of every square inch or dunam of land that was once in Muslim possiession, but now -- most temporarily in the Muslim view -- is in the possession of non-Muslism, such as those infuriating and pesky Jews who still control the Infidel state of Israel.

Posted by: Hugh at November 29, 2007 2:34 PM

The same poor Palis that called her a monkey.

"I know what it is like to hear to that you cannot go on a road or through a checkpoint because you are Palestinian,"

Geee, I wonder why Condi. Maybe because they embrace terrorism?

Posted by: Elric66 at November 29, 2007 2:35 PM

...Blacks have progressed....Palestinians never will....

...Blacks have erased many former barriers that hindered their lives....Palestinians create barriers....

...Blacks sling hip hop lyrics (legally)....Palestinians sling rockets and music is almost forbidden...

...Blacks wears shiek fashions...Palestinians wear ugly Muslim clothing....

...Blacks can discuss and debate issues...Palestinians only curse and riot....

...Blacks have accused Condi of being too white...but the truth, it appears, is much worse...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at November 29, 2007 2:36 PM

Condi's understanding of the Israel-Palestine "problem" is about as deep as a Coke commercial ("I'd like to teach the world to sing/In perfect harmoneeee...")

Posted by: scaramouoche at November 29, 2007 2:55 PM

Of the same stock are Rice’s experiments with Israel. She is both contempt of Jews and finds them amenable; Rice is not educated enough to know that Jews are amenable only to an extent. In order to understand her policy regarding Israel, it is critical to see how important is that single experiment to the ignorant Black academic. For Rice, the Israeli-Arab solution is more than a matter of politics; it is a matter of academic credibility. Soon out of the office for good, she desperately needs that single lab work. Regardless of its result. Rice would love to succeed in her experiment on the Jewish mice, but failure is still a result in lab work.

THE COMPLETE ARTICLE
http://illustratedpig.blogspot.com/2007/11/our-black-plague.html

Posted by: shiva at November 29, 2007 3:03 PM

OT, but to further ruin your day, I just listened to Sarkozy on TF1, excellent speach until the Algerian slur was mentioned he said that he would fight anti-Semitism with all his force and then he added just as he would fight Islamophobia.

I was really enjoying his speach until that moment, but the way he said it, was almost like an after thought an equalization to what he said before. But it still deflated me even though the rest of the speach was excellent.

We all know that Islam is not a race, it is really a political ideology, a throw away comment like that says that I can not criticize political Islam, that is not acceptable.

Posted by: Daffersd at November 29, 2007 3:13 PM

She told delegates that when a local church was bombed by white separatists, four girls were killed, including one of her classmates. "Like the Israelis, I know what it is like to go to sleep at night, not knowing if you will be bombed, of being afraid to be in your own neighborhood, of being afraid to go to your church," she said.

She added, however, that as a black child in the South, forbidden to use certain water fountains and shunned from certain restaurants, she was also in a good position to understand the feelings of the Palestinians.

"I know what it is like to hear to that you cannot go on a road or through a checkpoint because you are Palestinian," she said. "I understand the feeling of humiliation and powerlessness."

I missed the stories about the White Separatists in the South hijacking airliners; wearing suicide belts; and demanding statehood with Jerusalem as a capital.

Somehow, the analogy doesn't work even when I try to stretch the boundaries of an elastic imagination.

Has the American administration taken their stupid pills this morning? No? Perhaps your right, THEY DON'T NEED SUCH PILLS!

Posted by: witness at November 29, 2007 3:14 PM

Doesn't Secy Rice pulling a 'race card' seem an obvious demogoguery to disguise her true, complex business and political agendas?

See my fresh, exclusive filmage of eyewitness Holocaust survivors among the Annapolis Conference protestors (outside the Israel Consulate near the United Nations building) warning of the Arabs copying Nazi techniques in:

1) Both garnering legitimacy and support by demonizing Jews through media;

2) Deceiving the West to belief their quest is limited to regional, not global, domination.

Thus, the Allies' simply sacrificing Czechoslovakia (or the West, Israel) fails to appease, instead actually validating the enemy's morale, deception-strategy, and enriches the ambition for greater conquest throughout the West.

(Free posts feed available from DemoCast.TV voted 2007's 6th Best Video Blog).

Posted by: DemoCast at November 29, 2007 3:15 PM

Jeez Condi...
I really thought you had it together 'til now. Where in the hell do you get your intel? The U.N.? Maybe from the terrorists themselves? I wouldn't have thought that a person in your position could be so ill informed. I simply cannot adequately express my amazement at your ignorance of what the reality of the situation is.

Posted by: Alaskan at November 29, 2007 3:41 PM

Whenever she opens her mouth to speak she sounds as though she is choking back tears. How confidence-inspiring is that?

I have heard her discribed as a little girl wearing her mother's clothes and shoes. Oh boy.

Posted by: Emerson Twain at November 29, 2007 4:24 PM

Every time she opens her mouth to speak she sounds as though she is struggling to hold back tears. How confidence-inspiring is that?

I have heard her described as a little girl dressed-up wearing her mother's clothes and shoes. This is our Secretary of State. It just creeps me out.

http://www.state.gov/secretary/

Posted by: Emerson Twain at November 29, 2007 4:46 PM

I wonder if Condoleeza Rice, our official international empath, would be willing to share in the daily humiliation of our own citizenry as we are frisked at the checkpoints at every airport gate, courtesy of the Mohammedan Slave Empire.

Posted by: Stendec at November 29, 2007 4:46 PM

While I agree with Condi that her senario stories do appeal to the heart, the only way to correct the wrong is with Justice being served.

Condi should recognize that equality has been attained with Civil Rights. Civil Rights are not to reward to people that DO NOT practice equality by the taking of another persons land.

We also saw Apartheid in Africa, and it was wrong. But now we are seeing the land taken away from people only because of the color of their skin.

Just like now, we are seeing a people that are being rewarded with land only because of the religion that they worship. They have not walked the walk, they are not demonstrated equality, in fact Condi is rewarding a people that have labeled theirselves as victims while being the perpitrators of the crimes.

Posted by: alaskan1000 at November 29, 2007 4:47 PM

Now I understand the actions of the U.S. State Department in the way they treat muslims and muslim countries....Condi uses Affirmative Action.

No, joke look at it. Condi is practicing Affirmative Action with our money.

Posted by: alaskan1000 at November 29, 2007 4:56 PM

I thought that the Palestinians already had a state in Jordan:

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_faq_palestine_whynostate.php

Posted by: champ at November 29, 2007 5:16 PM

Condoleeza Rice said

There is pain on both sides. This has gone on too long.

How touching. This could also have been said in January 1942 of the U.S./U.K. and Germany/Japan. I'm glad that there wasn't a misguided global superpower around then to force the Allies to give the Axis powers a big ol' hug and try to understand the pain that they were going through.

There are, by my calculation, 417 days until the next Administration takes office.

Posted by: special_guest at November 29, 2007 5:18 PM

This is just the Mirror Image Fallacy applied to Condi's context. Had she studied Islam and read Robert's books, she wouldn't be squandering taxpayer money, wasting everyone's time on stupid summits, endangering Israel and making a fool of herself.
If Rosa Parks had been a jihadi, she would have blown herself up in the front of the bus.

Posted by: jewdog at November 29, 2007 5:19 PM

Condi just revealed how low she's willing to go by tapping into how badly she and fellow blacks have been treated in the past; as if that has ANYTHING to do with the Jewish/Palestinian conflict.

Context Condi -- CONTEXT!!

Posted by: champ at November 29, 2007 5:23 PM

Condi equates the palestinian problem to the black experience in the US?
Hmmm, Condi has risen to the highest levels of government. What does that prove? That an educated person cannot be denied. The argument that blacks are locked out is patently false.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at November 29, 2007 5:26 PM

Condi needs to leave Israel alone and sit down with Jordan for a "peace talk". Maybe King Abdullah will be swayed by her Sobb Story.

Posted by: champ at November 29, 2007 5:29 PM

Does anyone really take denegrators of Israel seriously anymore ? Other than the cellar-dwelling left-wing conspiracy nuts that is ?

Israel deserves to thorough comended and heralded in future history lessons as a brave tribe of a few who stood up the the anger and hatred of many .

Posted by: Rikki at November 29, 2007 5:32 PM

PALESTINIAN PLIGHT -- BLAME THE ARABS!

The Jews are not to blame for the "Palestinian Pain" Condi, but fellow Arabs are! Hello!! Israel helped the Palestinians when fellow Arabs wouldn't. Shame on the ARABS!!!! And to think that Condi is suppose to be a voice of reason in the midst of this situation. God Help Us!

Excerpt from above link I posted:

"Palestinian Arabs have been offered the opportunity to create a state many times, starting with plans advanced during the British Mandate which the Arabs rejected. Then the United Nation partition plan of 1947, which brought Israel into existence, included a nation for the Palestinians, but the Arabs rejected it. Over the decades since there has been plan after plan that would bring peace to the region and a state for the Palestinians: all they had to do was let Israel live in peace. Arabs rejected all these plans, up to and including at Camp David in 2000 and Taba in 2001, and kept the armed struggle going."

Posted by: champ at November 29, 2007 5:41 PM

Satire on

Satire off

Talk about screwing up an analogy! PC will be the death of us.

Habakkuk 1:4
Therefore the law is ignored And justice is never upheld. For the wicked surround the righteous; Therefore justice comes out perverted.

Habakkuk 1:4
لذا يتم تجاهل القانون والعدالة هو التمسك ابدا. لالشرس محاصرته الصالحين ؛ العدالة ولذلك يخرج منحرفه

Posted by: Im.mad.as.HELL! at November 29, 2007 5:48 PM

Every American president feels obliged to joust at this windmill. Clinton's effort succeeded in acquiring a Nobel peace prize for Arafat. Any president who doesn't try is slammed politically by the media for not trying. Any such hopeless effort requires diplomacy which will be labeled by arrogant critics who don't have to wrestle in this mud as witless moral equivalence. You are confusing diplomatic necessity for administration ignorance. Only idiots believe that Condi/Bush believe Islam is peace as categorically as they stated it. If Robert were president do you think he would use the same line he uses on this site? Would he refuse to bend truth to diplomacy? How would he get nasty people to do things? By calling them nasty? You guys are perfect on Islam and Islamic history but sometimes you don't see the other realities of the world and human nature very clearly.

Posted by: justask at November 29, 2007 5:56 PM

I used to think of Sec. of State Rice as a Stepford Wife - a well kept, well groomed, empty headed robot that did everything her husband wanted.

Well, she seems to be worse than that actually. She makes up this stuff. It would be better if she simply said and did nothing on her own intiative. She makes it worse actually, by her personal contribution.

It's not anything like segregation in the US south, Sec. Rice. Blacks did not have to go through checkpoints and be searched because they were going into white neighborhoods with weapons and explosives. The Palestinians have forced the necessity of checkpoints and fences because they've walked into Jewish areas and onto buses and detonated themselves.

Rosa Parks had to sit at the back of the bus for other, injust reasons. Palestinians are kept off the busses because they BLOW THEMSELVES UP ON THE BUSSES.

This is the difference. Don't be stupid.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at November 29, 2007 5:58 PM

I thought that the Palestinians already had a state in Jordan.
posted above

.......................................
Very true, until the king of Jordan got tired of their act and booted their sorry butts out.
Now Bush and Condi want to give them their own state and the UN will probably put them on the security council.

Posted by: pismopal at November 29, 2007 6:03 PM

Who is going to explain to Ms Rice, in small words she can understand, all the ugly details of the horrible religion-based apartheid that was dhimmitude, all the way from Spain to India, from the Balkans southward into Africa, for thirteen terrible centuries? Shall we explain to her how the dhimmis were slapped in the face and regularly insulted in other ways, when they paid their 'protection' money - which often afforded no 'protection' at all? That Muslim oppressors deliberately spat in the faces of Hindu dhimmis?

Shall we tell her how Jewish children in Yemen IN THE NINETEEN THIRTIES AND NINETEEN FORTIES, if their fathers died, were ripped from their families and forcibly Islamised? Shall we translate what the Arab Muslims say about her, a black woman, behind her back? Shall we tell her about what Muslim Arabs still do to black people, and that they call them 'slave/black', that that word has all the flavour, in Arabic, of 'nigger' in the old Deep South? Let's tell her about the devshirme, too, the sexual and military slavery and brainwashing of children seized by Muslim Turks from Christian families in the Balkans, for century after terrible century.

Let's tell her in all its awful details the story of what happened to the Jews and Christians of 'Palestine' - which was never called Palestine by any Muslim until the 1960s - under Muslim domination, 638-1917. The mass murders that atended the Muslim conquests and re-conquests; the extortionate taxes (jizya and kharaj), the pillaging, robbing, raping, kidnapping and holding to ransom, the sneers and murderous contempt, the exclusion from - or destruction of - Jewish and Christian holy places; the fact that Muslim word always trumped the word of a non-Muslim in court and that therefore any Muslim could commit the grossest of crimes against non-Muslims, whenever he felt like it, with absolute impunity? That Jews and Christians had no right of self-defence, no right to complain, no right to cry out for help? Shall we tell her of the pogroms in the 17th and 18th century, against JEWS in the land of Israel, by Muslim Arab lynch mobs howling 'Kill the Jews!'? And what those mobs liked to do to the bodies of Jewish women and girls?

Dhimmitude is and was far, far worse than Jim Crow, worse than South African apartheid. And the attitudes it created in Muslims are still there; Muslims in Muslim lands still treat non-Muslims like this at every opportunity; many Muslims want to bring this system of theologised oppression back, in all its ugliness and cruelty. HAMAS wants to enforce dhimmitude on Jews and Christians in the land of Israel - they've said it, loud and clear.

Who will explain to Ms Rice that the Muslims - and, in particular, the Muslim Arabs in and around 'Palestine' - hate and resent the uppity Jews of Israel in much the same way, and for much the same reasons, that the worst of the KKK hated and resented 'uppity niggers'?

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at November 29, 2007 6:23 PM

Native Americans (and indigenous peoples the world over), and Afro-Americans, should be standing shoulder-to-shoulder with those pro-Israel protesters at Annapolis. South African blacks should be supporting the Israelis, not the 'Poor Palestinians', not Hamas' murderous and vile fanatics.

Because the resurgence of Israel was like the rising of a phoenix: a long-oppressed indigenous tribe seizing the moment, rising up against thirteen centuries of one of the cruellest and most thoroughgoing and arrogant imperialisms of history - Arab Muslim imperialism - and reclaiming their sacred places, the graves of their ancestors, and their language, their right to call their persons, their property and their country their own and defend them against all comers. They rose out of the abyss of two attempted genocides - the fast Shoah by Hitler; the slow-motion physical and cultural Shoah that was Jewish dhimmitude within the Ummah.

Being a dhimmi revolt the re-founding of Israel is a slave rebellion - and not in a foreign land, a land of exile, but in the land soaked in the stories of their people, the only land they have ever wanted to call their own. Not a vast empire - a mere handful of earth, with no gold, no coal, no oil, no forests even until they started replanting tree by tree.

And, all things considered, treating their murderous, fraudulent, resentful, violent former colonial oppressors, the Arab/ised
Muslims, with astonishing moral restraint.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at November 29, 2007 6:46 PM

Every American president feels obliged to joust at this windmill. Clinton's effort succeeded in acquiring a Nobel peace prize for Arafat. Any president who doesn't try is slammed politically by the media for not trying. Any such hopeless effort requires diplomacy which will be labeled by arrogant critics who don't have to wrestle in this mud as witless moral equivalence. You are confusing diplomatic necessity for administration ignorance. Only idiots believe that Condi/Bush believe Islam is peace as categorically as they stated it. If Robert were president do you think he would use the same line he uses on this site? Would he refuse to bend truth to diplomacy? How would he get nasty people to do things? By calling them nasty? You guys are perfect on Islam and Islamic history but sometimes you don't see the other realities of the world and human nature very clearly.

Justask ,
A refreshing perspective , one that I've thought about many times , but surely rewarding bad behaviour also has it's drawbacks .

Posted by: Rikki at November 29, 2007 6:50 PM

Maybe if she could get them to speak in Russian, she might understand things better?

As it is, I still recall her embrassing hand-wringing over the [alleged] insult to the "holy, holy Koran" ...that [never] happened at Gitmo.

A nd how fulsomely and readily she was to blame American soldiers and to apologetically grovel toward Muslims for the infidels' mistreatment of their great book.

Weak, and dumb.

Maybe her piano playing is better?

Posted by: profitsbeard at November 29, 2007 6:56 PM

Dumbledoresarmy:

Your last two postings were two of the best pieces I've ever seen regarding the Arab-Israeli conflict.

Posted by: usapatriot at November 29, 2007 7:09 PM

Dumbledoresarmy:
I'll second uspatriot's last comment . Everything I wanted to say and more .

Posted by: Rikki at November 29, 2007 7:14 PM

There is no diplomatic necessity to lie and declare Islam a religion of peace. There is no diplomatic necessity for Bush to pray in an Islamic mosque.
Unless of course bowing , scraping to, and paying jizya to the muslim owners, is diplomacy.
There is no diplomatic necessity for Rice to pour out her 'feelings', about racial issues in the US south. 'Palestinian' is not a race anymore than Islam is a race. What do they really care about the childhood of a raisin, or what her feelings are?
This is more like weak kneed liberal/leftist blubbering, than diplomacy. I am amazed any of the Bush administration would openly call themselves conservative, or openly refer to themselves as intelligent. The only reason these 'Palestinians' even talk to this kaffur, is because she holds the purse strings, jointly with Bush, to deep pocket jizya. They have one hand in there already, and want to try for two. I guess that's diplomatic necessity on their part, but kind of stupid on ours...

Posted by: duh_swami at November 29, 2007 7:36 PM

Justask: Thanks for your perspective. I respect so many who post here at JW but many times I find there is a dearth of understanding of diplomatic imperatives by the very people who have an accurate take on Islam. I don't like this damn conference at Annapolis and I think the chances that any good will come from it are as near to 0% as one can get without being at zero.

Nonetheless, if Bush didn't host this conference (or something like it) he would be severely criticized by many (including those who are the movers and shakers in the financial and energy industries). But having this stupid conference in Annapolis guarantees he will be criticized by others---and understandably. He knows all this. People who think Bush is ignorant are actually ignorant about Bush 95% of the time by my calculation. My guess is he knows the Palestinians will once again miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity but he wants to be able to say later on, hey, I gave it a shot and look at what those dumb Arab bastards did yet again.

All this doesn't mean I condone everything he does where the Middle East and Islam are concerned. For instance, I understand why he can't actively criticize Islam, disgusting creed though it is, but I wish he would remain silent about it and never praise it. And Rice's comments about the poor Palestinians and how they should be sympathized with essentially equally with the Israelis is a regrettable comment to say the least. Actually, it's kind of dumb. But come on folks. You think Rice is dumb overall? One on one with virtually anyone of us she would clean our clock. Disagreement with a person should not necessarily lead to the conclusion that that person is incompetent or deficient all around. I'll bet privately she has many doubts about Islam by now but the dog and pony show, she figures, still has to go on for all kinds of reasons. Here are two: America doesn't need to give Russia and China any more incentives to cozy up to Muslims in the Middle East. And any kind of an OPEC oil embargo, or even a major cutback in oil production, would be disastrous at least short term, if not long term, for America, Japan and so many other nations.

Knowledge of Islam is important. But so is knowledge of sundry other factors when implementing American foreign policy. Again, this doens't mean I agree with Bush's foreign policy initiatives all the time. I don't. But anyone who wants us to focus only on Islam (again, what a burden to the entire world it remains) is, I would suggest, missing the mark rather widely. By the way, all this just confirms for me for the upteenth time that Islam, more than any other totalitarian ideology in history, is magnificently composed to continue to sow discord, confusion, tragedy, stagnation and fear all across the world to achieve its warped goal of world conquest. The new Hundred Years War continues. It will have many chapters. Many.

Posted by: Wellington at November 29, 2007 7:37 PM

Wellington:
You are brilliant. Precisely, precisely, precisely. Are you running for president? You have my vote. I am more sympathetic than contemptuous of American leaders who have to deal with this ____.

Posted by: justask at November 29, 2007 7:52 PM

“Look, the group identity of believers transcends all the divisiveness of tribal bonds and unites all believers against nonbelievers. The rules on love and charity towards other believers reduce tensions and enhance cooperation within the group. The rules on slaves, multiple wives, and female subservience help maximize reproductive rates even when large numbers of males are dying in war. The rules on apostasy guarantee that once you join the group or are born into it you cannot leave without a death sentence and hellfire. The rule on jihad mandates war, rewards death with paradise, and authorizes the plunder of slaves and wealth. Charles Darwin himself couldn’t have come up with a better survival machine.”

Quote from Darwin's Dove by Juan Zanzeros

Posted by: justask at November 29, 2007 8:17 PM

So according to Rice both sides -- the Israelis and the "Palestinians" (that is, the Jews and the Arabs) are, at the same time, both blacks and whites in the Jim Crow south. Yes, the are both "black and white." And for that remark she should be red all over.

Posted by: Hugh at November 29, 2007 8:39 PM

Hugh
No.

Posted by: justask at November 29, 2007 8:44 PM

Wellington

"Nonetheless, if Bush didn't host this conference (or something like it) he would be severely criticized by many (including those who are the movers and shakers in the financial and energy industries)....."

This is why GWB is not a great leader. You see great leaders do the right thing. Lincoln did the right thing (lost his life) and Washington did the right thing (almost lost his life) and so on...

This also leads to a second point which is why would he fear those "movers and shakers" in the financial and enrgy industries? I thought they were patriotic? You know if they are willing to make their money in the land of milk and honey it would follow that they be also be willing to lay down a small portion of that wealth to defend it as well? Why do they push Bush and Israel (a friend) to give up land yet they seem so happy with our adventure in Iraq?

I think anyone on this site knows full well where those "movers and shakers" loyalities are. They are worse then the hippies and leftwingers. At least the left wing nuts are open about their dislike of this nation where as these so called "great Americans" as Sean Hannity calls them wrap themselves in the American flag and yet spend every waking hour selling out their fellow American and the few friends we have in this world for their own personal wealth.

"The things that will destroy America are PROSPERITY AT ANY PRICE, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of SOFT LIVING and the GET RICH QUICK THEORY OF LIFE." Teddy Roosevelt (From the series Great Ideas of Western Man).

Now Mr. Roosevelt...that was a real president. The bold parts are my problem with GWB, Condi and those movers and shakers...

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at November 29, 2007 9:50 PM

Wellington,

"But having this stupid conference in Annapolis guarantees he will be criticized by others---and understandably. He knows all this. People who think Bush is ignorant are actually ignorant about Bush 95% of the time by my calculation. My guess is he knows the Palestinians will once again miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity but he wants to be able to say later on, hey, I gave it a shot and look at what those dumb Arab bastards did yet again."

You give Bush and Rice way more credit than deserved. You believe they know more than they let on.

What has Bush or Rice ever shown by words OR actions that they understand Islam. Not just muslim trivia, I mean the same kind of Islam that you say is a "burden to the world"? They need not openly condemn Islam with fiery rhetoric. But how about a sign that they understand it? Do you know of any?

There is hardly discussion of Islam by them. The only word they use to identify the enemy is "terrorist". Jihadist is a term Jihadists use. Using it is easily defended. They never use it. They have never shown a single sign they understand Islam and the threat it poses. Their entire focus is on "terorrism" and the ubiquitous Al Qeada.

I am not sure about Rice being so smart that we could not keep up with her. Do you think Rice knows what dhimmitude is? How about who Aisha was? and how about the treaty of al-Hudaibiyya? Wouldn't that be the treaty of all treaties for her to study in-depth?

To say Bush and Rice know more than they show is high speculation. The evidence available shows just the opposite. You can wish they know more but that will not make it so.

I found this essay by Hugh on his take on what Rice knows and doesn't know, from 2005. Has she done anything or said anything since 2005 that would make this assesment any different today?
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/008545.php

Posted by: USorThem at November 29, 2007 11:38 PM

Thanks to 9/11, Bush made himself a "war president" who, through "war on terror" has only helped terrorists!! O the horror.... but hold your horses, Daniel Pipes: http://www.danielpipes.org/article/5124 and Wafa Sultan: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52962 have detected the hypocrisy in Bush presidency. You see, with all due respect Americans are penny wise and pound foolish. They elect slick-willy to white house and fall for a spoilt rich and corrupt brat when he says "invaders plundering your country are only taking "jobs Americans won't do". And the same guillible Americans chastize a patriot like TOm Tancredo: http://www.teamtancredo.typepad.com
Americans fall for theatrics of Hillary and Bush but fail to see the value of a petriotic stateman. They readily swollow the criminal tnedency of career criminals, if the crime is wrapped in dressing of a "poor mexican" a lie which their president/commander-in-chief knows will be bought at a premium by gillible Americans, just like the wmd lie of Iraq war. If American voter was even half well informed, he/she wouls have not voted for a corrupt timid man raised ny mexican nannies and financed by wahhaabbis. Wfter electign such a corrupt, timid and inapt president, what miracles dod Americans ecpect, eludes me. To even an occassional reader, Bush disaster was obvious. True, Karey was a worse alternative but that fors nto mean Bush cannot be stopped from selling out America. The voter who kept Kerry out, can also throw a corrupr Bush out and replace him with a patriot like Tom Tancredo: http://www.teamtancredo.typepad.com
That, is what true democracy is about/

Posted by: Alert at November 29, 2007 11:56 PM

dumbledoresarmy, that was truly moving eloquence.

juskask, the quote from Juan Zanzeros reads like a passage EO Wilson the famous biologist could have written about slave-raiding ant colonies. Its a devastating summary.

Posted by: ivan at November 30, 2007 12:12 AM

I remember Condi thumping oh the table that the answer to hostility is.. get this.. "Diplomacy, diplomacy, diplomacy". Instinct told me that Condi is a disaster. Glad my instincts were more on the money that dubya's CIA pet Geotge Tenet! See what fools serve us? Ofcourse, given that we pay these fools tell us who the real fools are....

Posted by: Alert at November 30, 2007 12:13 AM

Is stupidity a requirement for Sac States?

Posted by: hemoglobin at November 30, 2007 2:16 AM

We posters must accept the fact that we have a very limited insight into the inner workings of the Bush White House. This conference could well be a part of some grand and brilliant strategy. I would like for this to be true. However, many years of bumbling by a President that constantly proves that he has little to no understanding of either Islam or the Islamic World makes me highly doubtful. Still, I hope that the President one day proves to me that my pessimism is misplaced.

As for Secretary Rice’s comparison, it is obscene. I have taken the time to read both the Palestinian and Hamas’ Charters. I am almost certain that the President has not. As for Secretary Rice, there are two possibilities. If she has read them, shame on her! If she has not read them, shame on her!

Posted by: patagonianplato at November 30, 2007 5:23 AM

I remember Watergate very well, broke my tail bone the night Nixon resigned.
I was note a fan of his, but I do remember commenting that what the press got away with during those dark days would be the ruination of politics in the USA for ever more.
Does anyone believe that anyone with any real scruples could survive in Sodom on the Potomac?
IF they have them when they get there they soon lose them.
I find I have real shame over these remarks by Rice.

There are several things I think about this woman. One, her father was a preacher. Are there any records of his preaching that might give us insight as to her misguided views? For instance did he preach the popular idea that the covenant was transferred from the Jews to the Christians?
As a successful black woman how dare she continue this victim act? She needs to listen to Bill Cosby and celebrate the fact that blacks in America have been give so much opportunity in the past forty years.
How did a preachers daughter get all those PHD's? Was it on the public dollar?
I understand that she is a savvy investor, where are her holdings?

Speaking of Oprah, you should have heard this well spoken black woman speaking like a southern darkie on TV the other day in Macon, GA. She was worse than Hillary. Isn't she from Chicago?

Because I relocated to the Boonies, I am stuck with Network TV. ABC is airing an interview where they are saying that Musharref blames the US for the problems in his country.

Wellington; we are indeed blessed to have someone here of your and others knowledge of how the game works.
Smoke and mirrors is not even a start at describing the complexity.

Posted by: Aunt Bea at November 30, 2007 7:39 AM

"Speaking of Oprah, you should have heard this well spoken black woman speaking like a southern darkie on TV the other day in Macon, GA."

...she did not want to be accused of not being a real black woman....(the black community often berates successful black individuals who have proven that being black really does not impede you from becoming successful if you stay in school and do your homework and you have the backbone to work hard to succeed in your dreams)....people like Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton, and Louis Farrakhan constantly strive to do whatever they can to make black people feel like they are failures....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at November 30, 2007 8:05 AM

exsgtbrown;
Of all people, (surprise, surprise, Goober)Whoopi Goldberg has been addressing this very thing.
Yesterday she asked why Obama has not been asked what he would do about white-on-white crime?
Referring to the CNN debate the night before and the question about black-on-black crime given to the GOP candidates.
She also condemned Obama's wife for saying that blacks needed to get over their failure attitude only long enough to get her husband elected to the White House.
She said that this idea was a myth, given the success of so many black people here in the USA.

Posted by: Aunt Bea at November 30, 2007 8:28 AM

Secretary Rice goes public with her confusion of Palestinian situation with Blacks in Jim Crow South
Where are those in Government to set the record straight for once.
The Palestinian Arabs, Abbas and Co.... are not equal to Martin Luther King and Selma Alabama......
Mrs. Rice needs also to remember; In the march of Selma, there were many blacks, but there were also many whites, And the message was the right Of passive resistance (emphasis), never Terrorism and suicide bombers and daily rockets etc....... Their message was never to murder and destroy an entire Race. .... nor America as such
Someone needs to tell RICE, The Black issue was not to destroy the entire American Nation, for taking it over only for Blacks, as the Palestinians aim is the destruction of Israel and the Jews....taking over in fact the WORLD to make one Islamic world

What Really Happened In The Middle East - Terrorism Awareness Project http://terrorismawareness.org/what-really-happened/

Posted by: Gabrielle Goldwater at November 30, 2007 8:53 AM

And everybody lived happily ever after in

CONDALEEZALAND

Posted by: n.a. palm at November 30, 2007 9:57 AM

Dumbledore's Army -

Brilliantly and concisely expressed, sir!

Posted by: carpediadem at November 30, 2007 10:14 AM

There is pain on both sides. This has gone on too long.

This, exactly what is this? The pain on both sides, started by the Jews when they bought all that property earlier in the 20th century? Or is the pain felt by the suicide bomber in the Israeli coffee shop?

Condi, as always, is an embarrassment. She's just another dumbass from Stanford, to self-congratulatory to actually educate herself about Islam.

What's gone on too long is this insane cognitive dissonance that hamstrings the free world, a self-reinforcing Fictive Reality that forbids us to admit the horrible truth and defend ourselves.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at November 30, 2007 11:23 AM

Would like to thank those who posted a comment about mine, whether pro or con. This is one of the main reasons I like JW so much. People who post here are, for the most part, perceptive and informed folks and even when there is disagreement it is ordinarily civil and well intentioned. Perhaps the one thing all of us can agree on is that this would be a far better world if Islam didn't exist. But, damn it, it does.

Posted by: Wellington at November 30, 2007 12:52 PM

Condi has been around too long, she is no asset, but a liability.

Never ‘Rice-ing’ to the occassion, or better: stuck on stupid way back when in Alabama…

from another posting:

http://sheikyermami.com/2007/11/29/ayaan-ali-hirsi-we-are-at-war-with-all-islam’/

Excerpt:

Condi Rice is a quintessence of leftism. She’s a patently lame scholar (and yes, I’ve read her essays) whose theories border on scam. In her essay on nuclear weapons, she repeatedly cites the Soviet WWII encyclopedia in fifty-something volumes, which even the native Russian speakers find impossible to read through; she obviously relies on secondary sources without citing them. Rice succeeded through the affirmative action, a semi-official quota for Black professors of lamentable credentials.

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at November 30, 2007 1:03 PM

A bit OT, but to justask and ivan: Zanzeros' argument is superficially plausible, but I'm not so sure the poor dear really understood Islam very well. How much intra-Ummah history had he read, before he wrote the following? -

I quote: "the group identity of believers transcends all the divisiveness of tribal bonds and unites all believers against nonbelievers. The rules on love and charity towards other believers reduce tensions and enhance cooperation within the group".

There appears to me to be only one line in that paragraph - 'unites all believers against nonbelievers' - that approximates to observed historical fact. The rest is nonsense, and I can prove it.

Takfir.

Sunni-Shia stoush; Iran-Iraq war. Kuwait.

Darfur.

Somalia. Afghanistan. And, of course, Gaza.

Check out also an article I found via a link posted in the jihadwatch archives. On The Autonomist web-site, Friday April 28 2006, ‘Life in Iraq Part II, A Civilisation of Deception’, the anonymous author, an American who had had bitter experience in Iraq attempting to build things, writes, for example:

"Lying is the only way a completely incompetent person who is trying to screw everyone can possibly retain any sense of dignity among others. Welcome to the [Muslim] Middle East".

"At first we [Americans] were all offended at being lied to so much. But after a while, you stop taking it personally, and you just start giving credit where credit is due: They can't build anything, can't manufacture anything, and can't fix anything that breaks. But at least they are good at one thing: lying their asses off all day, every day."

"Q: Why is every Muslim Middle Eastern country characterized by either rigid oppression or chaotic violence?

"A: The coercive use of violence is the only way to ensure Muslims in the Middle East [and elsewhere!] will live up to any obligations, INCLUDING BASIC SOCIAL ORDER AND FUNCTION. Middle East [more accurately: ‘Islamised’] countries where chaos currently reigns, like Palestine, Iraq, and Afghanistan, are merely examples of what Muslims are like without coercion.”

And finally:
"Q: Have you ever seen anything that says "Made in Saudi Arabia"? What was the last thing invented or produced by Middle Eastern Muslims that helped advance humankind? Why are they so incompetent at virtually everything?

A: Although some individuals with quality talents certainly exist here, it would be impossible to gather enough in one place to Agree to cooperate in any sort of complex or significant effort. The only time Muslims can stick together long enough to produce anything en masse, like nuclear missiles for "Uncle Mah," is under the threat of force."

In other words - they DON'T cooperate. All that stuff about love and charity inside the Ummah is pure, unadulterated garbage. These people are driven by a cultural pattern that, in fact, leads many of them to spend most of their time ripping each other off and, in the words of St James, biting and devouring each other. When they're not doing it to the outsiders they do it to themselves.

And, just to bring us right back on topic (Annapolis) - every non-Muslim at Annapolis should have had the words of this same anonymous blogger at 'The Autonomist', engraved on their hearts:

"After being in this snake pit (Iraq) for some time, I find it absolutely hilarious that anyone thinks that "diplomacy" or "negotiations" or "agreements" with any Middle Eastern leader during a crisis can possibly result in anything productive. They have no reservations -- none -- about lying about anything and everything. There words and agreements mean absolutely nothing. How far can negotiations really take you under such conditions?".

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at November 30, 2007 4:18 PM

What a washout Rice turned out to be!

What a total waste.

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BTW, and I mean this as a question, has there been a single prominent black American politico who has consistently stood up for the rights of the Israelis?

Posted by: joeblough at December 1, 2007 1:48 PM

Dumbledore put his [her?] finger on the most important failing of secretary Rice. She indicates no knowledge whatsoever of Middle Eastern history. She completely ignores the whole phenomenon of dhimmitude and the age-old humiliation, oppression, economic exploitation of dhimmis [Jews, Christians, etc] under Islam. Even Karl Marx knew better than to believe that Islam was merely just another religion. He wrote [yes, Karl Marx] that Islam was an obstacle to civilization.
http://ziontruth.blogspot.com/2007/11/was-karl-marx-zionist-neocon-bat-yeor.html

As far as Rice is concerned, the problem is NOT just with her but with the whole State Dept because that institution has been pro-Arab and pro-Muslim for many years, at least since Prez FDR met King Abdul-Aziz ibn Saud on a naval destroyer in the Red Sea in 1945 on the way back from the Yalta conference. It is conceivable that William Rogers, Kissinger, james baker, and Madelyn Halfbright would have said the same thing in so many words.

Posted by: Eliyahu at December 2, 2007 2:40 PM